July 31, 2024 • 22 mins
Gov. Newsom vows new AI regulations after Musk retweets fake Harris video. T Dr. Jim Keany, Co-Director of the Emergency Room at Mission Hospital in Mission Viejo, joins The Bill Handel Show for 'Medical News'! Dr. Keany talks with Bill about a chronic disease surprisingly common among Olympic athletes, what athletes could get from the bad water quality of the Seine River, whether tattoos could cause blood and skin cancer, and an 8 week vegan diet could reduce your biological age.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And this is KFI AM six forty bill Handle here.
It is a Wednesday morning day, July thirty one. Some
of the big stories, well, Boeing names a new CEO,
no surprise, and this one is probably one of the
probably the worst news that I have heard in a
very long time. Bores head meets have been recalled, including
(00:31):
It's heartbreaking, including the black Forest ham Medium sliced it's
It's a heartbreaker.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Governor Newsom is really upset with Elon Musk for reposting
a video with AI generated fake audio and video Vice
President Kamala Harris, and he is saying, I'm going to
pass a state law cracking down on voicema manipulation and
campaign ads.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I don't know if you've seen the ad.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It is Kamala Harris saying Joe Biden is senile, I
am incompetent, and goes on and on and talks about
how stupid she is. Basically every argument that the anti
Harris crowd is saying, and she is promoting that concept,
(01:24):
and Newsim is all upset about it because Elon Musk
posted it or reposted it and all of a sudden, well,
actually it demonstrates what deep fake ads are about. And
the problem is this one is over the top. I mean,
this is parody. That it's obvious, this is parody. That
(01:46):
is no issue. But the problem here is what is
going on with this. That's one of the issues we
talked about earlier, the issue of AI and Neil and
I were talking about what AI can do in terms
of keeping loved ones alive after they've died. Where based
(02:10):
on these companies that gather all of the video, gather
all of the voice, all of the written documents that
a loved one has engaged in, and more and more
phone calls, voices. I mean, it goes on and on
because there is data out there and AI can grab
all of it and create a living person on your screen.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
So you're talking to a living person.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Well, when you go on the other side of it,
a talking living person.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
In this case Kamala Harris, but it's not her, is.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Looking at you and saying, I'm incompetent. Biden is senile.
I am the most I am the most liberal democratic
Paul Tiian you've ever seen. I believe in illegal immigration,
I want as many illegal immigrants as possible coming in
the country. That is an ad that is now out there.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
But is it an ad?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
The Democrats are saying this is an ad. Mosk is saying,
this isn't an ad. This is a post and it's
a post of a parody, and parody works. How many posts? Well,
I don't think there are any AI of Donald Trump
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out there, Yes, that I have seen.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
It's just a question of time.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I mean we see plenty of taken out of context conversations, statements, videos.
We see that all the time. And by the way,
is that are those deep fakes? Which way are we
going to go? I'll tell you which way Governor Newsom
is going to go. Where Elon Musk is taking this?
(04:02):
Why this is a big deal and the future is
here and there's there an answer. Yeah, yeah, there is
a way to mitigate and I will share that one
with you when we come back. Because well, in this case,
and they're making a big deal out of this case,
and this is so stupid. I was talking to Anne
and said, but people believe this, Well, yeah, the idiots
(04:27):
believe this who hate her anyway.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
You know, there are people that you know, we talked
about this.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
How about a Democrat, a Democratic congressman looking at you
and saying, yes, I was there, I, in fact engage
in pedophilia with little boys under that pizza parlor in
Chicago with Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yes it was me. Now, okay, I just agree that
the last things we have out there to confuse people,
the better. IM lely think that really special people out there. Yeah,
then there are, But you know you can't.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You can't kouch out to those people because you've got
a First Amendment issue too. I'm reposting it now. Their enemies,
they become enemies. Elon Musk and Gavin Newsom and Gavin
Newsen comes back with I'm going to pass some laws
that really limit what you can do. And as a
matter of fact, there are a couple of bills up
there that are through the Assembly. AB twenty three to
(05:29):
fifty five require campaign advertisements to issue a disclosure if
they use any AI generated audio or visual. Mark Berman,
a Democrat at Apollo Alto, he authored AB twenty six
fifty five requires that large online platforms block the posting
of material deceptive content related to elections.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Now, let me ask you something. Was this a campaign ad?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
No, it's just someone making fun of Kamala Harris and
clearly parody. And guess what's protected under the First Amendment,
case after case after case, and that is parody. The
problem is where's that line? And that's always been the case. Now,
as I promise you, I was going to give you
a parody story, Jerry Fallwell, the televangelist, sued Hustler Magazine
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for defamation. Hustler magazine said that what we did was parody.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
And here's what happened.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Hustler Magazine puts a cartoon in the magazine where Jerry Fallwell.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Is accused of having sex with his.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Own mother in an outhouse, and the cartoon is his
mom running out of the outhouse and it's clearly that
Jerry Folwell had sex with her.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
So he sues for defamation.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Defamation, says that you ruin my reputation, you destroyed what
people think of me. So he's up on the stand
and you know what Hustler attorneys did.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
They put him on the stand and said.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Do you think anybody out there believes you had sex
with your own mother in and outthouse?
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Well?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
No, no, do you think that people realize that this
was simply a parody?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Or a joke. Well, yeah, do you.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Think anybody took it seriously? Anybody you know took it
seriously will know No, guess what.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Parody you lose?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Jerry Folwell, by the way, later on he was tossed
from Liberty University because there were accusations of him, his
wife and a pool boy being involved in frolicking.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
But we'll go into that at another time.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
So the point is the deep fakes and this is
AI on another level. Here we go, we're going to
be exploring AI and what you do with it. Kamala
Harris calling herself incompetent and calling Joe Biden and how
everything that she does is going to hurt harm the
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United States because she is a raving, screaming left wing
liberal that likes illegal aliens more than she likes Americans.
I mean, on and on and there she is admitting it.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Parody. I think.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
So now a lot of the bills are saying that
parody or in this case, if it's near an election
cycle and I don't know what the word near is,
where that how far that goes, should be labeled of
any kind. When there is content that is fake, it
should be labeled. The platform should say this is fake
(08:41):
or AI was involved in this.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
That's the other thing.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
You have to be told AI was involved in this.
That is probably where it's going. Probably where it's going.
And by the way, just for the record, okay, Pat Robertson,
do I believe that you had at least accused of
the sexual escapade of the pool boy and your wife? Well,
and I believe certainly that the accusation came out and
(09:07):
it wasn't from Hustler magazine. Do I believe you had
sex with your mother in an outhouse?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
No? No, absolutely not. It's parody.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
All right, Doctor Jim Cheney, our medical expert, er doc,
is with us as he is every Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Good morning, Jim, Morning Bill.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
All right.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Oh, we got a lot to talk about, okay. One
of the topics that I would.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Like you to share information on is tattooing causing blood
and skin cancer. And gentleman here who I have, Well, gentlemen,
a guy who I've known for over twenty five years
who has been tatted up and down is Neil Sebedra.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And is it fair to say he'll be dead next week?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah? Yeah, he should definitely get his affairs in order.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Thanks, all right, so let's talk about it.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Let's talk about that blood and skin cancer.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I'm assuming that the blood part of it is just
a bad tattoo where you have a needle that's contaminated.
I mean, if care is taken. I mean, is there
any issue with blood contamination?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah, so not blood contamination. But so there's two a
couple of issues here. It is true that when they
study and they look at tattoo ink that a high
percentage of it, you know, like a third is contaminated
with bacteria that could cause a skin or blood infection.
But that we're talking about something different here. We're talking
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about blood cancer. Blood cancer is like lymphoma and those
type of things. Leukemia and those cancers seem to have
about a twenty percent increase in people who have tattoos.
Now a third of the population have tattoo so it's
quite a bit of people.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I know, it's crazy. Do you do you have tattoos?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
No, I don't have any tattoos.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I don't either. I don't either.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
And you're so you're in the two thirds. You're not
you know, you know, not unusual, but still it is
very common.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, And my daughter Barbara has she's decided she's become
tatted up. And the one I hate is the heart
with the anchor that says mom. I told her that's
not really impressive at all.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Your daughters have poisoned blood just by genetics. So wow, okay,
so shots fired there. But so you know, this is
the problem. Is that, right, the rooster crows and the
sun comes up, and so does the rooster make the
sun come up? Right? Association does not always equal cause,
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and so the truth is this is an association study.
So there is a what seems like a strong association,
it doesn't necessarily prove cause, and so you've got to
take this kind of result with a grain of salt.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Well, let me ask you.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So you have a study of studies of other studies,
and I'm assuming this is over hundreds of thousands of
people or at least tens of thousands of people, and
they look for connections. And if let's say the only
connection is the tattoos, or there are there many many
connections regarding blood and skin cancer, does it connect with,
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for example, people have tattoos and spend more time out
in the sun.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Are we talking of about that kind of connection?
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Right? And that's exactly what they try and do in studies.
They'll look at all the different factors that they can
identify and try and get as many as they can.
So you'll try and equalize between the non tattoo and
a tattoo group. You want equal age, you want equal sex,
you want equal people who smoke, or that have sun exposure,
or that eat meat versus not eating meat. You know,
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so you're trying to create a control group that equalizes
that all out, so that it's those factors theoretically aren't
part of it. But you know that that doesn't always work.
That's why a randomized prospective review meaning nobody somebody has
no tattoos and we're gonna see, Okay, we follow these
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people before they hit the tattoo and then after and
see what happens. Those are a little bit more accurate
than this type of study, but they.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Take for years and years, I would yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
They take decades.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Okay, So here's the question, and this was a topic,
and here's the headline. This chronic disease is surprisingly common
among Olympic athletes. Does that have any connection with the
fact that they stood each other morning, noon, and night
during the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
So asthma. Yeah, it's very common asthma an Olympic athletes. Yeah.
So yeah, this is interesting because we did the study
when I was at UCLA in nineteen eighty four and
they did a study of Olympic athletes back then that
showed a very high proportion of athletes had asthma, and
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we started treating them with asthma treatments and they actually
performed really well during the nineteen eighty four Olympics. So
it's been somewhat known, but here we are again and
more studies showing that high level elite athletes can suffer
from asthma or exercise induced asthma. And so it's important
(14:33):
to realize this because the way we do this is
you set someone up, You have them go ahead and
exercise or do whatever they're going to do that we
think induces the asthma. Then you give them an inhaler
treatment and you do a test before on how much
air they can force out of their lungs in one second,
give them the treatment, do that test again and see
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if it improves. If it improves, it means that there
was some level of spasm in the bronchials. The medicine
relieved it.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Hey, so, and this is something that excuse me, that
we've looked at, and that is the danger of over exercising,
the danger of just you know, doing too much prior
to the Olympics. Like, what is it you would be overtraining? Yeah,
(15:25):
there you go, Thank you very much. Overtraining, for example,
a marathon, you know, the six months before. Is that
a real concern?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Well, I mean that's a little bit different topic than
the asthma.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
The over Yeah, no, I understand, I moved in the
other direction.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Okay, Yeah, So overtraining is is something that every athlete
at a high level faces and that's the goal of
a coach and someone who's watching this very closely is
you really have to push your training level to the
absolute extreme. But then if you go, if you kind
of fall off the cliff by going a little bit
too far, you're not on the competition field. So the
(16:00):
goal here is and there's lots of physiologists and people
who have all different kinds of techniques to look at
whether you're overtraining or under training. And you can do
this with you know, with blood tests like something called
lactic CASSI and you can do this with a lot
of different features that will show fit over fatigue, fatigue
of muscles overuse. And so that's the goal. That's what
(16:21):
a good coach does.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
And is that an issue, by.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
The way, is that an issue among among Olympic level athletes?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, sure. There's plenty of athletes that could
have made the Olympics that aren't there today because they
overtrained and they got an injury.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Wow. All right.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
The quality of the Sane River, and there was a
real big issue. Turned out that the swimmers yesterday or
the triathletes that.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Did swim the Sane and a brit won the gold medals.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Of course he was in the hospital when they gave
him the gold. He couldn't actually be up on the
podium because he swammed the same A lot of controversy there.
So the bad water quality, Yeah, let's talk about that
and why there was so much controversy.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yeah, well, I mean because the Sand River hasn't been
swimmable for decades, if not one hundred years, Yeah, one
hundred years.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
But they but they spend one point five billion euros
to try to clean it up, and even then their estimation,
so what were they looking at? You swim in bad water,
and realistically, you know what happens to you.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
So I mean here they were looking primarily at the E.
Coli account, which is that's what bacteria found in poop.
And so somehow, you know, human excrement is making it
into the Sane River when you have couns that old, right,
you have sewage and other waterways that you don't even
have on maps or you can't identify, you know, the
public works people don't even know where to find some
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of some of the contributaries that dump into the river.
So it's challenging, but it sounds like they did their
best to put it all together there and try and
clean it all up. Whenever it rains, then you're going
to get even more flushed into the into the river.
And you know, in our case, I can relate to
this right because here in Orange County, in San Clementy
(18:13):
Dana Point area, whenever it rains, the water gets very
polluted and the reports go out that you shouldn't surf,
and you don't know, we do. We all go, yeah,
nobody listens to that, So we all go surfing in
the in the water, and we figure that just kind
of cuts down on the surf crowds a little bit.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
So you've ever gotten sick, well, not that.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I know of from it, but yeah, I mean, have
I had like intestinal symptoms that I related maybe to
the hospital cafeteria and it might have been the ocean,
It's probably, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Okay, it's fair to say that hospital food is more
dangerous than any major body of water that is polluted
anywhere in the country.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
In most hospitals, that's true. But actually in our hospital,
the food's really good, very good.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Oh, I've got to go visit I do, okay, because
I'm one of the few people that liked vending machine food.
All right, let's finish it up with this eight week
vegan diet that could reduce biological age. That's an interesting one,
and it's only eight weeks.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, So, I mean in the last segment we talked
about prospective randomized trials, and that's exactly what this is.
It just was so small. It was only twenty two twins.
And what they did was they gave one twin a
healthy or a vegan diet and the other one a
normal omnivorous animal protein diet. And they looked at something
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called nephylation, which is a chemical change that happens on
DNA just before the DNA tweaks and gets distorted, so
it doesn't actually distort your DNA, but it's the first
step towards doing that, and so that's a sign of age.
And methylation was reduced significantly in people who ate a
(20:06):
vegan diet, so unfortunately, I mean, I know I love
meat too, but all the evidence seems to point to
the fact that vegan diet and eliminating animal products from
your diet do have health benefits.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
On the other side, Yeah, by the way, someone comes
up with this idea and it doesn't matter how weird
it is, and then applies for a grant and some
organization says, yeah, here's two hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Sure, why not? Is that the way it works?
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, I guess. I mean you have to have an
area of interest that somebody thinks has value, But yeah,
that's how it works.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
All right. All right, Jim, thank you once again, and
we'll catch you next Wednesday. All right, take care as always. Yeah,
all right, So a couple of things podcasts. Tomorrow drops
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It is a Wednesday morning day, July thirty one. Some
of the big stories, well, Boeing names a new CEO,
no surprise, and this one is probably one of the
probably the worst news that I have heard in a
very long time. Bores head meets have been recalled, including
(00:31):
It's heartbreaking, including the black Forest ham Medium sliced it's
It's a heartbreaker.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Governor Newsom is really upset with Elon Musk for reposting
a video with AI generated fake audio and video Vice
President Kamala Harris, and he is saying, I'm going to
pass a state law cracking down on voicema manipulation and
campaign ads.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I don't know if you've seen the ad.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It is Kamala Harris saying Joe Biden is senile, I
am incompetent, and goes on and on and talks about
how stupid she is. Basically every argument that the anti
Harris crowd is saying, and she is promoting that concept,
(01:24):
and Newsim is all upset about it because Elon Musk
posted it or reposted it and all of a sudden, well,
actually it demonstrates what deep fake ads are about. And
the problem is this one is over the top. I mean,
this is parody. That it's obvious, this is parody. That
(01:46):
is no issue. But the problem here is what is
going on with this. That's one of the issues we
talked about earlier, the issue of AI and Neil and
I were talking about what AI can do in terms
of keeping loved ones alive after they've died. Where based
(02:10):
on these companies that gather all of the video, gather
all of the voice, all of the written documents that
a loved one has engaged in, and more and more
phone calls, voices. I mean, it goes on and on
because there is data out there and AI can grab
all of it and create a living person on your screen.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
So you're talking to a living person.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Well, when you go on the other side of it,
a talking living person.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
In this case Kamala Harris, but it's not her, is.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Looking at you and saying, I'm incompetent. Biden is senile.
I am the most I am the most liberal democratic
Paul Tiian you've ever seen. I believe in illegal immigration,
I want as many illegal immigrants as possible coming in
the country. That is an ad that is now out there.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
But is it an ad?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
The Democrats are saying this is an ad. Mosk is saying,
this isn't an ad. This is a post and it's
a post of a parody, and parody works. How many posts? Well,
I don't think there are any AI of Donald Trump
(03:35):
out there, Yes, that I have seen.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
It's just a question of time.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I mean we see plenty of taken out of context conversations, statements, videos.
We see that all the time. And by the way,
is that are those deep fakes? Which way are we
going to go? I'll tell you which way Governor Newsom
is going to go. Where Elon Musk is taking this?
(04:02):
Why this is a big deal and the future is
here and there's there an answer. Yeah, yeah, there is
a way to mitigate and I will share that one
with you when we come back. Because well, in this case,
and they're making a big deal out of this case,
and this is so stupid. I was talking to Anne
and said, but people believe this, Well, yeah, the idiots
(04:27):
believe this who hate her anyway.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
You know, there are people that you know, we talked
about this.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
How about a Democrat, a Democratic congressman looking at you
and saying, yes, I was there, I, in fact engage
in pedophilia with little boys under that pizza parlor in
Chicago with Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yes it was me. Now, okay, I just agree that
the last things we have out there to confuse people,
the better. IM lely think that really special people out there. Yeah,
then there are, But you know you can't.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You can't kouch out to those people because you've got
a First Amendment issue too. I'm reposting it now. Their enemies,
they become enemies. Elon Musk and Gavin Newsom and Gavin
Newsen comes back with I'm going to pass some laws
that really limit what you can do. And as a
matter of fact, there are a couple of bills up
there that are through the Assembly. AB twenty three to
(05:29):
fifty five require campaign advertisements to issue a disclosure if
they use any AI generated audio or visual. Mark Berman,
a Democrat at Apollo Alto, he authored AB twenty six
fifty five requires that large online platforms block the posting
of material deceptive content related to elections.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Now, let me ask you something. Was this a campaign ad?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
No, it's just someone making fun of Kamala Harris and
clearly parody. And guess what's protected under the First Amendment,
case after case after case, and that is parody. The
problem is where's that line? And that's always been the case. Now,
as I promise you, I was going to give you
a parody story, Jerry Fallwell, the televangelist, sued Hustler Magazine
(06:23):
for defamation. Hustler magazine said that what we did was parody.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
And here's what happened.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Hustler Magazine puts a cartoon in the magazine where Jerry Fallwell.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Is accused of having sex with his.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Own mother in an outhouse, and the cartoon is his
mom running out of the outhouse and it's clearly that
Jerry Folwell had sex with her.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
So he sues for defamation.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Defamation, says that you ruin my reputation, you destroyed what
people think of me. So he's up on the stand
and you know what Hustler attorneys did.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
They put him on the stand and said.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Do you think anybody out there believes you had sex
with your own mother in and outthouse?
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Well?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
No, no, do you think that people realize that this
was simply a parody?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Or a joke. Well, yeah, do you.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Think anybody took it seriously? Anybody you know took it
seriously will know No, guess what.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Parody you lose?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Jerry Folwell, by the way, later on he was tossed
from Liberty University because there were accusations of him, his
wife and a pool boy being involved in frolicking.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
But we'll go into that at another time.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
So the point is the deep fakes and this is
AI on another level. Here we go, we're going to
be exploring AI and what you do with it. Kamala
Harris calling herself incompetent and calling Joe Biden and how
everything that she does is going to hurt harm the
(08:05):
United States because she is a raving, screaming left wing
liberal that likes illegal aliens more than she likes Americans.
I mean, on and on and there she is admitting it.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Parody. I think.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
So now a lot of the bills are saying that
parody or in this case, if it's near an election
cycle and I don't know what the word near is,
where that how far that goes, should be labeled of
any kind. When there is content that is fake, it
should be labeled. The platform should say this is fake
(08:41):
or AI was involved in this.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
That's the other thing.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
You have to be told AI was involved in this.
That is probably where it's going. Probably where it's going.
And by the way, just for the record, okay, Pat Robertson,
do I believe that you had at least accused of
the sexual escapade of the pool boy and your wife? Well,
and I believe certainly that the accusation came out and
(09:07):
it wasn't from Hustler magazine. Do I believe you had
sex with your mother in an outhouse?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
No? No, absolutely not. It's parody.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
All right, Doctor Jim Cheney, our medical expert, er doc,
is with us as he is every Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Good morning, Jim, Morning Bill.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
All right.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Oh, we got a lot to talk about, okay. One
of the topics that I would.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Like you to share information on is tattooing causing blood
and skin cancer. And gentleman here who I have, Well, gentlemen,
a guy who I've known for over twenty five years
who has been tatted up and down is Neil Sebedra.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And is it fair to say he'll be dead next week?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah? Yeah, he should definitely get his affairs in order.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Thanks, all right, so let's talk about it.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Let's talk about that blood and skin cancer.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I'm assuming that the blood part of it is just
a bad tattoo where you have a needle that's contaminated.
I mean, if care is taken. I mean, is there
any issue with blood contamination?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah, so not blood contamination. But so there's two a
couple of issues here. It is true that when they
study and they look at tattoo ink that a high
percentage of it, you know, like a third is contaminated
with bacteria that could cause a skin or blood infection.
But that we're talking about something different here. We're talking
(10:46):
about blood cancer. Blood cancer is like lymphoma and those
type of things. Leukemia and those cancers seem to have
about a twenty percent increase in people who have tattoos.
Now a third of the population have tattoo so it's
quite a bit of people.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I know, it's crazy. Do you do you have tattoos?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
No, I don't have any tattoos.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I don't either. I don't either.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
And you're so you're in the two thirds. You're not
you know, you know, not unusual, but still it is
very common.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, And my daughter Barbara has she's decided she's become
tatted up. And the one I hate is the heart
with the anchor that says mom. I told her that's
not really impressive at all.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Your daughters have poisoned blood just by genetics. So wow, okay,
so shots fired there. But so you know, this is
the problem. Is that, right, the rooster crows and the
sun comes up, and so does the rooster make the
sun come up? Right? Association does not always equal cause,
(11:51):
and so the truth is this is an association study.
So there is a what seems like a strong association,
it doesn't necessarily prove cause, and so you've got to
take this kind of result with a grain of salt.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Well, let me ask you.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So you have a study of studies of other studies,
and I'm assuming this is over hundreds of thousands of
people or at least tens of thousands of people, and
they look for connections. And if let's say the only
connection is the tattoos, or there are there many many
connections regarding blood and skin cancer, does it connect with,
(12:27):
for example, people have tattoos and spend more time out
in the sun.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Are we talking of about that kind of connection?
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Right? And that's exactly what they try and do in studies.
They'll look at all the different factors that they can
identify and try and get as many as they can.
So you'll try and equalize between the non tattoo and
a tattoo group. You want equal age, you want equal sex,
you want equal people who smoke, or that have sun exposure,
or that eat meat versus not eating meat. You know,
(12:56):
so you're trying to create a control group that equalizes
that all out, so that it's those factors theoretically aren't
part of it. But you know that that doesn't always work.
That's why a randomized prospective review meaning nobody somebody has
no tattoos and we're gonna see, Okay, we follow these
(13:18):
people before they hit the tattoo and then after and
see what happens. Those are a little bit more accurate
than this type of study, but they.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Take for years and years, I would yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
They take decades.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Okay, So here's the question, and this was a topic,
and here's the headline. This chronic disease is surprisingly common
among Olympic athletes. Does that have any connection with the
fact that they stood each other morning, noon, and night
during the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
So asthma. Yeah, it's very common asthma an Olympic athletes. Yeah.
So yeah, this is interesting because we did the study
when I was at UCLA in nineteen eighty four and
they did a study of Olympic athletes back then that
showed a very high proportion of athletes had asthma, and
(14:10):
we started treating them with asthma treatments and they actually
performed really well during the nineteen eighty four Olympics. So
it's been somewhat known, but here we are again and
more studies showing that high level elite athletes can suffer
from asthma or exercise induced asthma. And so it's important
(14:33):
to realize this because the way we do this is
you set someone up, You have them go ahead and
exercise or do whatever they're going to do that we
think induces the asthma. Then you give them an inhaler
treatment and you do a test before on how much
air they can force out of their lungs in one second,
give them the treatment, do that test again and see
(14:53):
if it improves. If it improves, it means that there
was some level of spasm in the bronchials. The medicine
relieved it.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Hey, so, and this is something that excuse me, that
we've looked at, and that is the danger of over exercising,
the danger of just you know, doing too much prior
to the Olympics. Like, what is it you would be overtraining? Yeah,
(15:25):
there you go, Thank you very much. Overtraining, for example,
a marathon, you know, the six months before. Is that
a real concern?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Well, I mean that's a little bit different topic than
the asthma.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
The over Yeah, no, I understand, I moved in the
other direction.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Okay, Yeah, So overtraining is is something that every athlete
at a high level faces and that's the goal of
a coach and someone who's watching this very closely is
you really have to push your training level to the
absolute extreme. But then if you go, if you kind
of fall off the cliff by going a little bit
too far, you're not on the competition field. So the
(16:00):
goal here is and there's lots of physiologists and people
who have all different kinds of techniques to look at
whether you're overtraining or under training. And you can do
this with you know, with blood tests like something called
lactic CASSI and you can do this with a lot
of different features that will show fit over fatigue, fatigue
of muscles overuse. And so that's the goal. That's what
(16:21):
a good coach does.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
And is that an issue, by.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
The way, is that an issue among among Olympic level athletes?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, sure. There's plenty of athletes that could
have made the Olympics that aren't there today because they
overtrained and they got an injury.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Wow. All right.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
The quality of the Sane River, and there was a
real big issue. Turned out that the swimmers yesterday or
the triathletes that.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Did swim the Sane and a brit won the gold medals.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Of course he was in the hospital when they gave
him the gold. He couldn't actually be up on the
podium because he swammed the same A lot of controversy there.
So the bad water quality, Yeah, let's talk about that
and why there was so much controversy.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yeah, well, I mean because the Sand River hasn't been
swimmable for decades, if not one hundred years, Yeah, one
hundred years.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
But they but they spend one point five billion euros
to try to clean it up, and even then their estimation,
so what were they looking at? You swim in bad water,
and realistically, you know what happens to you.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
So I mean here they were looking primarily at the E.
Coli account, which is that's what bacteria found in poop.
And so somehow, you know, human excrement is making it
into the Sane River when you have couns that old, right,
you have sewage and other waterways that you don't even
have on maps or you can't identify, you know, the
public works people don't even know where to find some
(17:51):
of some of the contributaries that dump into the river.
So it's challenging, but it sounds like they did their
best to put it all together there and try and
clean it all up. Whenever it rains, then you're going
to get even more flushed into the into the river.
And you know, in our case, I can relate to
this right because here in Orange County, in San Clementy
(18:13):
Dana Point area, whenever it rains, the water gets very
polluted and the reports go out that you shouldn't surf,
and you don't know, we do. We all go, yeah,
nobody listens to that, So we all go surfing in
the in the water, and we figure that just kind
of cuts down on the surf crowds a little bit.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
So you've ever gotten sick, well, not that.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I know of from it, but yeah, I mean, have
I had like intestinal symptoms that I related maybe to
the hospital cafeteria and it might have been the ocean,
It's probably, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Okay, it's fair to say that hospital food is more
dangerous than any major body of water that is polluted
anywhere in the country.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
In most hospitals, that's true. But actually in our hospital,
the food's really good, very good.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Oh, I've got to go visit I do, okay, because
I'm one of the few people that liked vending machine food.
All right, let's finish it up with this eight week
vegan diet that could reduce biological age. That's an interesting one,
and it's only eight weeks.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, So, I mean in the last segment we talked
about prospective randomized trials, and that's exactly what this is.
It just was so small. It was only twenty two twins.
And what they did was they gave one twin a
healthy or a vegan diet and the other one a
normal omnivorous animal protein diet. And they looked at something
(19:46):
called nephylation, which is a chemical change that happens on
DNA just before the DNA tweaks and gets distorted, so
it doesn't actually distort your DNA, but it's the first
step towards doing that, and so that's a sign of age.
And methylation was reduced significantly in people who ate a
(20:06):
vegan diet, so unfortunately, I mean, I know I love
meat too, but all the evidence seems to point to
the fact that vegan diet and eliminating animal products from
your diet do have health benefits.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
On the other side, Yeah, by the way, someone comes
up with this idea and it doesn't matter how weird
it is, and then applies for a grant and some
organization says, yeah, here's two hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Sure, why not? Is that the way it works?
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, I guess. I mean you have to have an
area of interest that somebody thinks has value, But yeah,
that's how it works.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
All right. All right, Jim, thank you once again, and
we'll catch you next Wednesday. All right, take care as always. Yeah,
all right, So a couple of things podcasts. Tomorrow drops
the Bill Handle Show podcast drops, particularly on the iHeartRadio
app and tomorrow about stuff the Olympics that you don't
know about, things that are not being talked about on
(21:04):
the Olympics, just fun stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
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Speaker 2 (21:08):
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