May 18, 2023 • 49 mins
Matt "Money" Smith and Chris Hayre are joined by former Chargers safety Jahleel Addae (00:37), who shares his thoughts on this year’s upcoming team (02:00), what it's like to share a secondary with Derwin James and much more (13:00). Later, the guys discuss rookie minicamp and OTAs, including what to expect from safety JT Woods in year two (27:00)
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
As a late fifteen to ten touched up Socker. What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Guys, Welcome into a brand new episode of Chargers Weekly,
as always, joined by Matt Muddy Smith and Muddy OTA's
rookie mintiicamp Is in the rear view. We'll talk about
what Brandon Staley had to say about the rookies and
Justin Herbert throwing a football. But why don't you introduce
our first guest, a guy that we know really well.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, one of our favorites, even though and he and
Trey made it tough on me. They'd wear the same
color socks, the same color wristbands, same color shoes. They
had the long hair covering up their numbers, so they'd
make it tough if they were both in on a
tackle trying to figure out which one was. Wish that
maybe punched the ball out or some then, But we
appreciate them, and look, we say it all the time.
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There's certain positions on the field that can break it down,
and safety is certainly one of them. It's jalil ed
with us. One of our favorites spanned a couple different
coaching staffs, so we're gonna get into that. But and
someone who had to change positions actually to get it going.
So Jalil, thanks for taking some time out here. Man,
it's great to see you.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's great to see you too.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I appreciate you guys having me. Always good to seeing
you guys. As get to it.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Julia's on the rise in the broadcasting ranks. I know
you're doing total access at the end of the month, man,
and I know you're gonna kill it and kind of
make that natural progression into the broadcasting world. But let's
just start really top of mind with this Chargers team
this offseason. Obviously, everybody's talking about how it ended right
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being up twenty seven to nothing and losing that game.
And I think you hear Sebastian, Joseph Day and Dura
Winter and all these guys who have talked after the season,
there's a bad taste in their mouths. How can that
maybe fuel them for twenty twenty three? And it just
kind of your state of the team as we talk
right now in May, like.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Like like Durwin said, Joseph, Joseph Day said, anytime you
lose a game like that, especially in the playoffs, being
up by that much and then having a team come
back and beat you in the way that the Jaguars did,
especially being a defensive player. Right, you're up, so you
think the games in your hands. If they don't score,
they don't win.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Right.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
So, like like Durwin said, and those guys said, there's
a bad tasting them out then, and it could be
good for them going into the offseason.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
You know, it's going to feel that extra drive that
they need doing.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
OTA's bring the commodity together and say, hey, guys, we
can't go out there and do what we did last year.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
We got to tighten up in those areas that we've
seen that we lack.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
We lacked in and we got to continue to prove
and hopefully that will be the next drive in the
next i'd say, thing or situation that catapults the defense
and the team overall into getting it deep into the
playoffs next year and not letting that happen again.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I'd love to know. Julio just I said it kind
of when we brought you on. Just You're you know,
it's hard enough to be a standout high school football player,
but then you get to play Division one football and
when you show up, they're like, yeah, we might have
recruited you as a running back, but that ain't happening.
And then they move you to wide receiver and they're like, yeah,
and that ain't happening. So take us through what that is.
Because you're you're an elite player, you think you're one
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of the best in the country, and all of a
sudden they're telling you, well know, we'd rather have you
over here. How does that whole process go, How do
you lean into that and how do you excel at it?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Yeah, for me, it was difficult because I never played
defense in my life. I grew up in Floyda. I
played running back my whole life. I thought it was
gonna be the next.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Ward done Berry Sanders him Smith.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I get to college, I'm near I'm at the runback
position for like two weeks. They moved me over to
slot receiver and then it's one play in practice. They
throw a screen to the running back and I peel
back on the defensive end and I light them up.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
The older heads at the time didn't like that.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
They didn't like the way that I was practicing right,
But I was a young guy trying to make my name.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I got moved around a couple of times.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Coach comes to me after practice and he's like, hey,
I like how you exploded through your hips. We're gonna
move you to defense, and you know me, I'm like,
all right, coach, I'm back in my bond.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I'm like defense. I've never played defense.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
My older brothers of safety at West Virginia I was
coaching in college at the time.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I called him and gave me a couple of pointers.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
First day of seven on seven, I go out there,
I get two PBUs, I get a strip, and team
I get a strip. So, I mean, Leana's needless to say.
I think it worked that well for me. But the
mindset is like as an athlete, right, you just you
always feel like you're you're going to compete at whatever
it is.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
It doesn't matter if they tell you to go fill
up the.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Water bottle, doesn't tell you if they tell you to
go move the bags, right, You're going to compete.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
And that's what I did. I just competed. I didn't
mope about it.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
It's different nowadays, guys can just enter the transfer portal.
When I was coming out eleven years ago, you had
to stick to stick by your guns, right and just
compete and battle it out. And that's what I did well.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I'd love to, you know, I asked, because you know
they draft Diane Henley and he did the same thing,
flipped from one side to the other. So kind of
take us through maybe what you then see differently that
maybe guys that have been playing defense their whole lives,
because I would assume they lean on you seeing how
well you excelled at the position, kind of asking you, Okay,
how do you approach this? What is it that that
does for you as a player.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
You just get to see both sides of the ball.
For me, it was big because as a running back,
right you had to.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Have vision when you're running through those holes.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
And when I was a safety and I dropped down
into the box where I excelled the most was I
It's almost like I seen the holes as if I
was running, so I would be able to anticipate where
the running back was going based off what I see
in or felt, because he was seeing the same thing.
If there's an open gap, he sees, he's going to
hit it. There's an open gap, I see it, I'm
going to hit it. So I think that translated well
for me going from running back to safety and just
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like anything It's the same thing as.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
If you're playing wide receiver right and then they move
you to dB.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
You know that ride receivers like to stem you outside,
to bring you back inside to break back out for
a corner roid. So it's different things that you know
that you've done in the past on the other side
of the ball that you can use when you get
to the other side to defend it and be successful
at it.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You know, Julil, I remember, I think it was twenty seventeen,
you started every game with twenty seventeen. That was Michael
Davis's first years and undrafted Vato, and you know, he
really worked his way up. I know Ron Miles took
him under his way and Gus and and he really
established himself as a good player. When Gus left, Brandon
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Salely comes in a completely different defense, and it took Michael.
I think that all of Brandon's first year. Last year,
we saw Michael Davis play better than almost any corner
in the league. I mean, he was at a high level.
I don't if you just speak to your your experience
playing with Michael, and you know that that shift from
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what Gus did to this Vic Fangio, Brandon Saley type
defense and just how different that is.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Right.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yeah, what's crazy is I'm the one that actually gave
Voto that that Nick Dame when he came in, So
that's my guy, man. But I see Voto when he
came in, just a humble kid, willing to learn, no ego.
And one thing Vato can do is he can run right,
and Gus Bradley they implemented that with him. Gus was
big on staying on not letting the ball get over
your head, and Mike he excelled, right, He excelled in
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that defense. And then you see the switch come over
with the Brandon Staley's defense and they're playing more quarters,
they're playing more man, and I think it just took
Voto a little bit more time to get adjusted to it.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Obviously, they brought Jay C. Jackson over. They had a.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Sante Samuels, you know, running with the ones, and Vato
was a former starter who got pushed down the depth
trot a little bit because of free agency, which happens
in this business. But once he got his feedback under him,
and I think that he got more comfortable with the defense.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
You've seen him excel.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Like you said, he played top ball last year one
of the best corners in the league stat wise, right
with PBu. So he did this thing, man, and I
think this year he'll he'll continue to do that and
grow even more.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Julia, when you kind of see these last couple of
years and everybody sort of and look that the numbers
are what they are, it's right to take shots about
the run defense, this idea of you know, how much
has to go right for a defense to be able
to stop the run, and maybe what you've noticed, and
because everybody just points to the line, they're like, well,
you got to get better bodies since I but you know,
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it's so much more than that, especially with the amount
of tackles you would pile up, like you said, reading
the gaps and making those stops as a safety.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
The biggest thing I think is gap discipline. Right. It
starts up front. The defensive line sets the temple. The
defensive line sets the line of scrimmage. Right, you want
your defensive line to play on their side of the ball.
I think the only thing that I've seen a little
bit with the charges with some guys jumping out of
gaps or missing the gaps, or linebackers not playing downhill
fast enough. They have the talent, the roster is there.
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Tom has done a great job over there is of
building this roster. I think the biggest thing is just
gap integrity, Right, don't be in this gap, sticking your
head in this gap, stay true, trust the guy behind
you that he's going to The linebackers are going to
fill in. And then here comes Durham, who you know,
who's going to blow up anything that comes through the hole.
Low He has played well, so I think just playing
more so as a group because the talent is there
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and trusting one another, I think they'll be fine. I
think Brandon Staley will fix that problem and the Chargers
defense will really excel this season.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Julian, they didn't do much for free age and see,
but one of the things they did on the defensive
side of the ball was bringing Kendricks as a linebacker.
You talked about shooting the gaps, and you know, we've
heard Sebastia just today and Derek Ansley talk about the
run defense and how it is really truly all three
levels involved in making that thing work. What is therek
Kendrick's going to bring to this Chargers defense.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Like I said, the defense the defense is going to excel,
and he's one of those main pieces. Why right, They
brought him in for free agency, and he's a he's
a certified baller. He's been balling since he's came into
the league. He's a downhill He's a downhill linebacker. And
what that will do is allow those double teams that
are on the defensive lineman to come up sooner because
he's coming he's playing downhill. That way, the defensive line
will get more one on ones. And in this league,
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it's all about your one on ones. Who wins the
one on one battles. And like I said, this defense
is loaded. The front four is loaded, and I don't
think anybody in this league wants to block these guys
one on one. So I think having him come in
as a leader, what he brings with his physical attributes
playing downhill, they'll free up some more guys down there
on the front so they can make more TFLs and
control that line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
So I'm looking at the schedule, Julia, and it's Green
Bay November nineteenth, New England December third, Denver December thirty.
First is someone from Florida who had to go make
your bones up in central Michigan. How big of a
deal is the cold? Like when you're a warm weather person,
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a Charger or a warm weather team, Like, how big
of a deal is that when you got to go
play sixty minutes outdoors in December in New England.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I can tell you it's tough.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Like you said, come from Florida playing in Michigan, playing
with the Charges. You know, we got this beautiful weather
seventy five and son a year round and we got
to go play it places like Arrowhead in December, places
like the Patriots, like we did in the second round
in twenty eighteen. And this is a difference, right, there's
a difference. It's colder, your muscles are tighter, you're not
used to it. Those guys are out there in short
sleeves and we're coming out in long sleeves. But like
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I said, there's a lot of experience on this team.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I think they'll be fine.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
They got to lean on their A game and get
into those cold weather games. The ball gets slick, it's hard,
it's hard to pass in those games.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
So you got to lead on that running game.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Austin Eckler, that that offensive line that Tom has invested
in has to show up in those kind of games,
and I think they will, so I don't think it'll
be that big of a deal.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Hey Chris, hold on, I want to jump in because
he brought it up. I would love to know if
you felt the same thing we did in the booth
in that twenty eighteen playoff game and just kind of
how you guys were trying to figure it out. Coin toss,
Patriots win and they take the ball and we went, WHOA,
what did they figure out? What do they got up
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their slik? Like what is it about this defense that
they figured out that they feel like we want the
ball first and we're going to go score? What was
going on that day? And like what was it that
made it so tough that they had kind of put
on you guys?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
It was a crazy by the way, it was crazy.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Granted we jumped out on him.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
It was we were the first first quarter were we
were in and with them Keenan.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Hit Gilmore with a double move or dig and go.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
We walked into that game confident is ever, like we
were going to beat them, and we felt that way.
The week before we stopped Lamar with seven DB's run
one of the most predominant rushing attack officers you're going.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
To see in the league. Right.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
I think they did that more so like, hey, we're
gonna try to set the temple. We're gonna set We're
gonna set the precedents for today.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And they did that. They did a good job of
establishing the run. And once they did that, we.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Were playing downhill, downhill, and then here comes the power
power pass. Right, they're faking the power plass and over
the top with Edelman in Gronk.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
So it was a tough it was a tough slad.
It was a tough day.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
It was a tough day in the second half, and
they just had our number that day.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Man. I always tell people that was that year.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
I felt that we were going to hit that Super Bowl,
but we ran into a guy by the name of
Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Damn Tom Brady, Damn.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Hey, you know, Julius Speaking of that twenty eighteen team,
I mean, you guys, People forget you guys are pretty dominant.
Twelve or four. You started every game, and you started
every game beside a rookie named Derwin James. You were you.
I remember you and Ap and a lot of those
guys veterans in that secondary really instrumental in coaching Derwin
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up and making sure he was ready to go. But
obviously Derwin is Dirwin too. What was it like playing
with him his rookie year where he was the first
team All Pro?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Man, that dude's a generational talent, I said all the time.
Everyone asks me, Man, it is during really that good? Durings,
that damn good Like he's the best safety in the league.
There's no argument. But just seeing him coming. I'm from Florida,
I was a Florida State fan growing up. I watched
him in college he came in. The biggest thing with
him is a lot of people talk and harp on
his physical attributes. But the guy is smart, right, He's smart,
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He's willing to learn, He's a phenomenal leader, and he
just wants to be the best. He He has god
given talent. But there's a lot of people who have
God given talent but don't work right, don't work how
he works, or don't take don't take his craft hit
the craft as heres as he does, and he does. Man,
he wants to be the best he see. He says
one percent every day and he really means it. Man,
He's trying to get better every single day and it
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shows on Sunday. He's the heartbeat of that defense, heartbeat
of the team if you ask me, right as he goes,
they go. When he's not out there there, it's a difference.
And he's one to watch man. He's excited to watch
for the next ten plus years.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Gillio coming out of this, this first round of OTAs
and rookie camp and all that. A lot of questions
Derek Ansley, the new DC about J. T. Woods and
you know, here's a third round pick that just couldn't
get on the field last year, and you know they
could have used him. I mean, they absolutely could have so,
and a lot of the questions surrounded instincts and vision
and you know the productions there. A guy had six
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interceptions at Baylor. So maybe if you can kind of
take us through your your observations and in that particular position,
you know, I know you played strong most of the time,
but playing free as a rookie and how much goes
into that responsibility and trying to get acclimated as a rookie.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
It's a lot because these quarterbacks in this league are
the elite, right and they can manipulate you with their eyes,
with their shoulders, right, and one false.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Step in this league, you burned.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Like you said, in college, he showed that he's a
ball hawk, and training camp he was showing that he
was a ball howk. And there's a learning curve right,
and I think that he had to go through that
may have hit a rookie wall.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I wasn't in the building, but I think this year
is going to be him and a Logi who battled
it out in training camp for that starter spot next
to Derwin. The kid is physical, he's tall, but I
like a Loki too.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Man. It's gonna be a great camp to watch.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
That's gonna be one of the most important camp battles
that we see as him and the Lowhi going at
it for that starting spot.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Jill, what do you make of the way a Lohi
has played? And you know, I see him as a
guy who is stuck around his work ethic speaks for itself,
and he made he made plays in games too. In particular,
that stickout is the one first play of the game
against the Dolphins where he breaks up the Tyreek Hill bomb,
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which could have you know, the game could have gone
the other way had that had that converted. Uh. The
other one was the interception in Cleveland. Like he seems
to be at the right place at the right time.
Nothing flashy, but seemed to be a really nice compliment
to Derwin.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
He's a real good compliment to Duran.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Like you said, you harped on that first play with Tyreek,
who's a world class sprinter who's taking guys deep for
a living, right. And the funny thing about it is
the Dolphins drew that play uf just for him to
be on the low heat. Although he stepped up to
the plate ball, didn't panic, made the play and then
let them know not.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Today, right, y'all, Are'm bringing that to me? And honestly,
they didn't try him after that.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
But like you said, in Cleveland on the goal line,
just just mirroring the eyes of to Kobe and picks
him off.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
When I was there, he's made plays.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Just seeing him as a young kid and how he's
come in and how he's.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Continued to grow and grow and grow.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Like you said, nothing flashy, not the biggest, not the fastest,
but he's in the right place at the right time.
He's smart, and he's durable and the coaches can depend
on him. When the coach can depend on you, you will
play a long time in this league and they feel
comfortable with you out there. So I think Alo he's
going to ball this year. Like I said, interesting to
see who wins that battling camp.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, you just retired Julie, so you had a chance
to get a crack at Patrick Mahomes multiple times. Give
us an idea of what you talked about, Dan tom Brady, Like,
what does Patrick Mahomes present to an opposing defense.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
It's Patrick and it's Andy at the same time. Like
those guys are two geniuses together. But you can prepare
for them on Monday through Sunday all the way up
into the game. Prepare for the different formations they're going
to throw at you, the different personnels. But once you
get out there, it's backyard football. Patrick steps back, he looks,
he doesn't see it. Now he's running around and it's
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a scrambled drill. You're chasing Kelsey, you're chasing Tyreek Hill
back in the day. You're chasing all these guys around,
and Patrick just makes it happen. He can make any
throw in the field from any unorthodox position sidearm. No.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Look, he's like the Magic Johnson of football man.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
He can deliver however he wants to, and that's what
he brings and that's one of the biggest threats when
you're playing him. It's just those guys are never out
of the game. No matter how much you think that
you know them or you got them, you don't.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Julia, the balance of power, it's really unbalanced when we
talk about the quarterback playing the AFC versus the NFC.
I know, I heard you say you think the Chargers
have a legit shot to the throne the Chiefs, and
obviously they need to prove that. But when you look
at all the quarterbacks that this team is going to
have to face, from Mahomes twice, to Russell Wilson twice
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if Peyton can get him right, to Lamar Jackson, to
Josh Allen, you know, all these guys, Aaron Rodgers, how
difficult is it going to be in the AFC just
to make the playoffs? And you know, money and I've
talked callous times about like you know, ten to eleven
teams that have a legit shot to make the playoffs
based on just the quarterback that they have under center.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Right.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Yeah, when you're in this league, you always have a
chance and you have a quarterback like these guys do.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Like you said, your naming off names.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Were Pro Bowl, All Pros, future Hall of Famers, that
these guys are gonna have to see weekend and week out.
I think the biggest thing is that they have to
stay healthy. Whichever team stays the most healthy this season,
I think will be one of the team teams who
give theirselves the best shot of making it out of
the AFC to make it into the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Other than that, you just got to be on top
of your game.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
There's not one single game in the NFL, or especially
with the rosters, the schedule excuse me that they have
this year, that you can just roll the ball out
and say, hey, we're going to win today. Everyone has
to be dialed in offense, defense, special teams, especially the
defense with these quarterbacks are playing. And like I said,
Herbert is elite. He's top five in my opinion, and
he'll go blow for blow with any quarterback in this league.
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So I think having him is obviously a bonus. But
they got to be on top of it and be
prepared weekend and week out.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Give us Julia, you made the team as an undrafted
free agent, and you always hear you guys that take
your path. You gotta make it on special teams. How
do you make a team on special teams? Like, what
is it that you do that separates you for them
to say, yeah, we're going to give him one of
our fifty three spots because of what he showed us
on special teams.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
First of all, you got to go special team. You
have to have a different mindset offense and defense. We
all want to play offenses defense, right, special teams, you
have to have an unselfish mindset. Kickoff, kickoff return, these
are all high impact plays. Everyone's running from fifteen to
twenty yards. You can't shy away from any context. You
got to be a bullet out there. You have to
show that you have no care for your body in
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a sense, right, you have to give it up for
the team. You have to be an unselfish player. And
I think that's the biggest thing for rookies. When you
come in you're the off star. When you leave college, right,
you're you're the big man on campus. But when you
come to the league, especially if you're an undrafted guy.
You're the small fry and you got to prove yourself
in the way you prove yourself as special teams, going
down on kickoff, making tackles inside the twenty, blocking punts,
you know, on kickoff return getting back here, drops, setting up,
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if you have a one on one block, staying with
your one on one block, if you have a double
team driving that guy out of there to create a
lane for the kickoff returner or punt returner.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
So it's things like that. You got to show up
and you gotta flash on.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Film on special teams for those coaches to say, hey,
this is one of the guys that we got to
keep on this roster.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Julian, we were cheated last year of seeing Mike Williams
in the playoffs. We're cheated of seeing Keenan Allen from
Majority or a big chunk at the first half of
the season. You went up against those guys on a
day to day basis when Mike and Keenan are a
full strength and you just you know, we talk about
these other weapons. Quintin Johnson, who they drafted in the
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first round, Joshua Palmer, Gerald Everett, I mean, Justin Herbert's
got a ton of weapons, but just Mike and Keenan
in particular. I mean you came in with Keenan, so
you've seen him from the beginning.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah, I have.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
And like you said, Mike and Keenan when you talk
about them too, and they're both healthy, they're the best
combo in the league. And I argue guys down about
that Mike can catch any deep ball. He's not a
fifty to fifty guys more seventy five twenty five. Keenan
can line up on the outside inside when the best
route running in the league. Him and Davante Adams. I
gave those guys one day one b So those guys
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right there are special. And when you give Herbert who's
in the league quarterback with the arm like that, and
then you add those other pieces in there, one person
that the guy a lot of people have forgot about.
Everyone wants to say, we want speed, we want speed.
Jalen Guyton is a guy who has speed. He's a
guy who can stretch the field. Obviously he's coming off
of ACL but I think they have everything that they
need for Kellen Moore to make this offense go at
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that wide receiver position and it's going to be special
to watch.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Last one for me, Julia. We appreciate the time. Man,
I would say, I know you're busy, but I don't
know if you are. And that's why I'm asking you
this question. It's such a weird profession. You know, you're
thirty three years old. Man, It's like you've got your
entire life ahead of you and you've already lived a
professional life, a decade in the league, and you know,
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playing at a high level and getting a big contract
and all that sort of stuff, all that great success.
But then it's almost like it just spits you out
because you're on this right because you're on this regiment
and everything is laid out for you, and now life
is just kind of there and you got to figure
out what is figure out just share with the people,
like what that is, Like, I like to have this
incredible career, doing this incredible job, and then you're done
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at thirty three.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah, done at.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Thirty three, man, Like you said, it goes by that fast.
Almost a decade in the league, and it's a transition
and everybody goes through. It doesn't matter if you play
three years, five years, fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
It's a transition.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
My biggest thing is I would tell players when you're playing,
always have a plan, right, And it sounds cliche, have
a plan, plan B or, but it's true because you
always think as a player, I will never be done.
I'll never be done. Then it goes by that fast.
For me, obviously, I'm transitioning to broadcasting. I'm doing real estate.
I've dove into real estate. And one of the biggest
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things for me is that helped me a lot with
my transition. Like the money's like you said, contract, you've played,
you've accomplished your dream, You've made big money in the NFL.
But the biggest thing for me that has been a
blessing to me is my family, my wife Lindsay, my
three kids, Zion's all year and Zuri. That's who I
pour myself into now with sports. You know, we're doing sports,
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We're doing travel, we're doing school things. So that's been
the biggest blessing for me. Man, it's actually taken a
lot of the transition told off of me. I can
say that it's my family that's been the biggest. The
biggest blessing for me.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Money. You know what, guys get drafted and they played
in the league for a long time. But uh, Jillian,
you're different man. Like, first of all, you're the almost professional, right,
but to be undrafted and to stick in the league
for as long as you did, you know, during different
coaching steps, it just it says something about you, right
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that you're you're the type of guy that they needed
on that team to succeed. And I remember firsthand, like
you know, when when the Anthony Lynn era started. I mean,
you were a big part of that in terms of
the leadership in the locker room. So I just want
to commend you because I think it's one thing to
be in the league for a few years, get drafted
and then kind of find the next thing. But I
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mean how you created your own success. Not many people
in the league can do that, you know. Austin Eckler
is another example of that, right, a guy who was
all drafted. So just to get you out of here
on this, that next endeavor is broadcasting. You just told
me you're gonna be a total access right in June
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or what is that tell us about that?
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:16):
So I did a three day boot camp with the
NFL Network, got some good feedback, and they invited me
back out as a guest analyst for the whole week
on Total Access May twenty ninth, I think through June
second or June third, So I'll be on there live
doing my thing, suited and booted four pm Central, four
pm Pacific time, seventh pm Eastern time.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
So if y'all ain't doing nothing, check me out. Let
me know.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
There we go. Where else can we find you? Anywhere else? Julia?
Outside of that that that one week? What else you got?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I got the NFL Total Access.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
I'm doing some stuff locally here in San Diego, NBC
San Diego, Fox five actually in June, and I'll be
out there with you, guys. I think I'm gonna be
with you. Chris June twelfth, covering the media day for
the Chargers. So I'm just getting my whistle at Man
is getting started. I'm enjoying it and I'm passionate about it.
So we'll see where it takes me.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I love it, charges faceas julil die Man. Hey, it
was so great catching up and like like I said,
your your insight is a player and playing with so
many guys on this current roster, it really brings a
lot to light in terms of what to expect a
twenty twenty three man. So we appreciate your time and
look forward to more analysis throughout the offseason.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Sounds good. Thank you for having me, guys.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Thanks Julie.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
All right, Well, Buddy, I love when we talk to
former players, especially former players that know so many of
the key guys and key contributors on this twenty twenty
three Chargers team.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah, look, safety, he said it. You know that's gonna
be a big one because they you don't. We've said
this before. You don't draft guys in the third round
and expect them to be fringe special teams players and
not make their way into the rotation on either of
the offense or the defensive side of the ball. So
they're expecting a lot on j T. Woods. I know
we're going to get into it, and that was one
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of it felt like, if not the it was darn
close to the most discussed topic with new d C
Derek Ansley about what the vision is and what the
expectations are for JT. So great to get a little
bit of insight there from Jaliel about and he hit
it on the head. He's absolutely right. I had what
six interceptions at Baylor senior year, it came into the
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you know, led the NCAA, comes in, shows out in
training camp, has a solid run a little bit there
in the preseason, and then for whatever reason, just got
away from him and did not get himself a lot
of playing time, and it was like thirty something snaps
and some of those were emergency snaps. So that to
me is one of the big camp questions and one
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that no doubt the Chargers would love to see answered.
With j T. Woods working his way as a starter
on this defense, we should.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Start there, you know. For a list of a few
things that I thought were the key takeaways, Brandon Staley
was asked about j T.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Woods.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Derek Ansley was asked about j T. Woods, and we
talked about Alohi Gilman and kind of the steadiness that
he's brought to that secondary and I thought he was
a pleasant surprise last year. Frankly, But but you don't
drafted ze like you said, the third round on the
to sit on the bench, Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I mean I'm pulling it up right now just to
give you an idea of who got taken in that
third round and how much they're playing as you go
through a Chad Muma, you know, playing for the Jags.
We saw him in the playoff game. A linebacker there.
Vellis Jones didn't have a great year, but the Bears
tried to put him in to that rotation. Jilanie Woods
became the starting tight end in Indianapolis. Desmon Ritter, quarterback
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for the Falcons, ends up starting the final four games.
I mean, when you go through it, Greg Dolcic, we
saw how big of an impact he had in Week
eighteen against the Chargers of the tight end in Denver.
These are third round picks Nikobe Dean for Philadelphia. Of
course that he slipped because of the injury. But you
know what the expectations are there, Like third round, you
got to play third round. You expect for these guys
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to be big tributors. And that's why and that's look,
that's how it is this year. When you talk about
Towoey too, Lea polow To in the second and Henley
in the third, we expect those guys to play this
year beyond beyond special teams. Yeah, Henley's a special teams
stud and they expect him to be. And that was
another sort of theme of conversations surrounding the questions asked
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the coaches, But coach Ficken and coach Staley with with Henley,
but they expect those guys to contribute this year on defense,
and no doubt that's what they're gonna want to see
from Jay two wits is that he's able to take
that step.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
You put J. T. Woods in that in that conversation.
He's almost like a red shirt rookie, right. He was
he's got to play. They asked about Tooley and if
it was going to be, uh, maybe a learning curve
because he's twenty years old, and I love Dansley's answer.
He said, this guy is wise beyond his years, so
it's it's not that he should be ready to go.
And you know the fact that he is twenty I
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think is frankly exciting because I do think that when
you're in Ruth Khalil and Joey Bosa and playing the football,
he's already played. He's going to make an impact. And
I have no doubt that I think him and Henley
are both going to play and play a decent amount,
especially to Polo two when we talk about, uh, that
edge position, because I think he's automatically that that number three,
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edg Russer right now money, no.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Doubt, And to your point, it was a great answer
from from Ansley because he spot on age. Age can
be a thing. We saw it last year with Isaiah
Spiller just from a growth and a strength and a
body type standpoint. But you look at Twi Polotu and
he looks like an NFL player. When you looked at
Isaiah Spiller, you're like, man, it looks like a baby
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out there. So there's a difference and people, can you know,
the mature their their bodies are are built differently and
certainly to a polo two. And it'll be interesting to
see how they envision him. Do they want him to
get lighter, Do they want him to get heavier? Do
they like him exactly where he is? Do they want
to put him inside? He can play up and down
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the line, and he's got the body where however you
want him to be most effective. He can do that.
So it'll be interesting to see how they how they
deploy him, the different ways they deploy him. But no
doubt he's and it was great to see him out there,
and it was great see all the rookies out there,
the undrafted free agents out there. It's just fun to
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see dudes live their dreams and realize their dreams and
and just have that pep in their step. Is is
they put on that charger helmet for the first time
and get coached up by these NFL coaches for the
first time. Not to mention, having Justin Herbert out there
working out next to him throwing around was pretty damn
great to see.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, that was probably the lead among all fans, is
that Justin Herbert throwing a football in May and you
know it's it's a big deal because he had that
that off season surgery. But when he's slinging around the
way he was to to Quintin Johnston, which the Charges
put on their social media the other day, I think
things are good. So I don't think there's any worry
that Justin Harpist could be ready to go.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Love that all the rookies into a polotal get done,
but love that the contracts are done. Get that. Just
wipe that off the table. We know in years past
you've had a couple of hiccups here and there, guys
holding out until the day before training camp or something.
Get the sense that that is not going to be
the case this year, specifically with Quinton, just because they
expect a lot out of him. He's your first round
pick and that's the one that typically takes the longest
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to get sorted out. So very happy that that's squared
away and that he was out there and he is
full speed ahead, ready to roll. And I'll tell you
there were some shots that I got excited. Seeing the
hands out in front of them snatching those balls out
the air got me a little I'm like, okay, here
we go. Now, it's not when you got contact and
you're feeling contact, and that's typically when your muscle memory
comes into play. But I'll take it. I'll take it
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for now what I thought was cool, and you take
this for what it's worth.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I just think it's a reflection of the locker room,
and I think kind of the culture is the fact
that Mike Williams, Keenan Allen, and Joshpa Palmer went up
to the hotel to introduce themselves to the Quinton and
get to know them a little bit there. I just
think that that don't have to do this stuff. Is
it matters. It's he's going into a room with guys
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who have done it at the highest level. And for
a guy like Joshua Palmer who's kind of on that
same track that Quinton is, he's got a couple of
years learning from Keenan and Mike, but just to kind
of be welcomed in to the wide receivers room like that,
I think that little stuff matters.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
The other thing just shifting from wide receiver to a
wide receiver but really more of a returner. I really
liked what coach Ficken had to say about Darius Davis
because there's there's a there's certainly a segment of scouting
society that says more and more with teams are just
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content to kick the ball out of the back of
the end zone. You don't have returns like you used to.
Punters have become so good that hang time becomes such
a weapon that you're barely returning any punts now, and
Coach Ficken had a perfect response to that. He specifically
pointed out, it's what we like about this guy is
he is one of the few that is he called
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him the best returner in college football. He's like, this
is one of the few guys who doesn't get phased
by bodies flying around him. He trusts his blocks are
going to be there, and he's returning punts that other
guys perhaps wouldn't, So it speaks to something they saw
in Darius Davis that they did not see anywhere else.
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And we're willing to pay a premium for that a
fourth round pick, as opposed to wait until the fifth
or sixth or seventh to get a returner because of
how diminished that particular position has become. And it was
exciting to hear. No, we expect this guy to return
punts that other guys wouldn't and that's why he's here.
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And we know how important that was last year in
a number of games when DeAndre Carter's giving you that
extra ten twelve a cup of gosh, I I'm blanking
on it right now. If I had the schedule in
front of me, I would probably Was it the Miami
game that he had the big return that set up
the Maybe it wasn't Miami, darn at what. I can't
remember what game it was, but it was a tight game.
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It was a Tennessee It was a tight game, and
he had a big punt return that set up the
game winning field goal. It was like a fifty something
yard was it Atlanta, it was.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Maybe it was Tennessee because didn't Justin had that big
strike to Mike Williams to set up the field goal right.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Right, So that was a big strike. So it wouldn't
have been Tennessee because that was the big toss from
Justin on the Ah, my bad, I should That's what
happens when I just go stream of consciousness, I make
a full of myself.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
No, it's because I can't even think about it. You
know what I was gonna say, though, because you were
in the booth for it. I remember when the sky
was falling special teams wise in August against the Cowboys,
and it was just a disaster. Cavante Turpin, yes, and
the returner receiver. Right. So the Chargers got their Philip
(36:13):
Turpin in the in the preseason uh more frog, and
then they drafted one. They said, let's get one of
our own. They could maybe flip the field for us
exactly right. Uh are you still looking? You're not looking
up that DJ Carter thing, are you?
Speaker 1 (36:28):
I was, and I just gave up because it wasn't.
It wasn't Miami. Was The long drive to get the
field goal consumed like ten minutes. Tennis Denver was.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
The muff punt. That was the Jair Taylor game.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Denver was the muff punt. Perhaps it was a man.
I'm like I said, I am doing myself no favors
right now because I'll have to. I'd have to take
the people. The people that are listening, they know, they know,
and I my old brain is all salt water logged
and it can't free can process memories anymore. So my
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great apologies, folks. I'm sure you remember the game I'm
talking about, and I don't.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
I don't sleep.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
I don't really, I don't.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Know if there's that right sleep it is either there's
exactly that.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I wanted to end on this. I kind of alluded
to it with Jalie at the end. But the twenty
seven and nothing things not going away among the players.
Sebastian Joseph Day talked about it, and I say that
I think is a good thing. I think that this
is going to be something that is really going to
stick with them now. It's it's a matter if you
got to kill.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
It right Arizona. It was Arizona. Remember they're down twenty
four to seventeen with two minutes left and they punt,
They punt, and it is.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
A overtime That was overtime game.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
That was the no they went for two, go for
two games. Yes, So it was a fifty yard punt
DeAndre Carter twenty yard return to the Arizona forty three
and gets hit out of bounds, so or and there's
a player out of bounds penalty adds another five yards.
They get the ball with a minute forty eight left,
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go down, score, go for fifteen seconds left to go
for two, win the game. And that was then that
was set saved the season, and that was set up
by the Andre Carter's twenty yard punt return that put
them at the Arizona forty three to get that drive started.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
I honestly don't think they would have made the playoffs
had they lost that game. I really don't.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
I agree. I think I think they agree. They would
have been five and six, and it just the sting of.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Losing that game. I think I don't know if they
would have made the postseason had they lost the game.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
I thought that was that was the one, you well,
they had lost. Remember they had lost San Francisco Kansas
City prior, so they were staring at a three game
losing streak, and it would have been because and they
lost against Las Vegas the next week, and we thought,
oh boy, and then you're staring at Miami and all
that speed on Sunday night football and it's like you're
six and seven, and then you go to Tennessee. I
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don't know, you know, it was it was a roller coaster,
but I do I do.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Think that this whole Jacksonville thing is going to fuel
a lot of the players that had to live through that, because,
you know, Sebastian even said, he's never lost like that.
Derwin's in the locker roop. He's never lost like that.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
It's hard to lose like that.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
It's it's hard to lose like that. I was just
trying to think of like comparisons of you know, even
another sport like has a team like kind of used
something devastating and come back and used it and actually
won and got to the top of the mountain. You
know what I thought about AVA losing to UVA sixteen
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seed losing.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Sure it was the next year, Yeah, they won it
all after losing Maryland Baltimore County they lost to Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yeah, UNBC, that's right. The social media guy got got
his fifteen minutes of fame that night. I wish it's possible, Listen.
I hope I had a negative, having a negative channeling
into a positive of this offseason.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
I hope.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
So.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
I Unfortunately, I feel like in the NFL there's more,
there's more situations that you have a bad event and
everything just unravels from there. We know about the loser
of the Super Bowl, how routinely they have a terrible
following season. I look back to last year and you
think about thirteen seconds, How in the heck did the
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Bills figure out how to lose to Kansas City in
that in that divisional round, and and then what happens
They come back this year and they lose the divisional
round at home. Obviously a lot of circumstances surrounding the
Bills from last season and what they went through, But
I feel like more well, I mean, there was the
San Francisco muffed punt when Harball was the coach and
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Kaepernick was the quarterback. Remember they lost I think that
was the NFC Championship game that they lost on that
muffed punt, And the very next year they went to
the Super Bowl. So it's possible that you can use,
you know, a dramatic loss as motivation going into the
next year, feeling like you have unfinished business, that somehow
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something was taken from you that you feel like was
yours and you play that dominant of a first half
and somehow you can't get out of there with a
win to get another crack at Kansas City, who you
played better than anybody else in the league all season long.
So I hope it is. You know, look, it's better
than the guys saying yeah, I don't care, it doesn't
bother me. It's it's much better to hear Sebastian say,
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I think about it all the time.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
It harms just think defensively money and Sebastian brought up
this point like it was the first year a lot
of those guys had played together, you know. He mentioned
guys like Derwin and Kenneth Burray and himself, Austin Johnson
who got hurt, Morgan Fox, Michael Davis. So another year
together in this defense, a new voice as a defensive
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coordinator and Derek Ansley who knows what that brings, and
just more familiarity as a unit. Get maybe having Joey
for for a majority of the year, Khalil, you know
all those things, and then you know, obviously the rookies
that we talked about, the red shirt rookies that we
talked about contributing this year. So defensively, I think it's
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more there's more of an urgency on the defensive side
of the ball to drastically improve as opposed to the offense.
I know, with with Kellen Moore coming in, obviously things
are going to change. I don't envision Justin Herbert not
scoring points. I don't care who's calling the offense, but
I do think Kellen Moore is going to make a difference.
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But I think really the onus is on the defense
to drastically improve the run d specifically, and you know,
all those guys talked about taking all three levels of
the defense to do that, and just you know, taking
the ball away, scoring on def all the things that
I think we expected this defense to look like last year,
it needs to look more that way in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
No doubt, you hit it on the head. The offense
feel great about you got weapons everywhere, You've got a
dominant offensive line, You've got one of the best quarterbacks
in the league, defense. We forget how good it could
have been because of all the injuries. You've got two
All pros Joey Bosa and j C. Jackson that essentially
missed the entire season for all intents and purposes. So
(43:30):
how much better can that look when you have Joey
Bosa and j C. Jackson out there? And that was
the other exciting thing about the media availability is JC
and Derek talking about I feel like I'm gonna be
ready for week one and they're gonna need him, need
that big body in that physical matchup to step out,
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you know, step opposite Jalen Wadler, Tyreek Hill, pick one
and get after it. So that that was very encouraging.
I did not think that that would be the timeline
he'd share. Usually don't want to share timelines at all
because all you can do is, you know, fall short
of them. If you come back early, people get excited.
That you come back late, people get upset. Look at
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look at Keenan, look at Joey. I mean, it's it's
why it's so hard to do the timeline thing. Remember
when Rashaan was talking about coming back and like, oh
he might back for Jacksonville and coach Staley was like, Eh,
let's slow down. If he's out there, great. It's probably
not gonna happen though, because you don't want to have
a letdown there, and obviously you don't want a guy
to try to rush himself back if it's it's only
going to make things worse. So but that was very
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exciting to hear.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
The expectations for JC have done like a complete one
eighty right like last year. It's like this ahead the
most picks in football last couple of years. He's gonna
you know, he's gonna lead the league in interceptions again
right now. I don't think you can even put it
in your brain to count on him right away, but
if you can, I mean, that's a heck of a bonus.
You know, you talk about the corners, and you can
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never have enough corners. They have guys to roll out
there week one that are pretty darn good. If you
can add a healthy J. C. Jackson to the mix
and he can be the guy that you signed him
to be. Man, now we're talking about a completely different defense.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Huge, Absolutely, you're talking about all three levels and being
able to take away the team's number one weapon, and
that's and that was the adjustment that they made with
JC right before he got hurt and he started playing well.
He did not have a good start to the season.
He was playing horrible and talking about the adjustment. I
just struggling with the scheme and finally they were like,
just go follow that guy and he did and it
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was like, yeah, that's that's what he does. So to
have that week one against Tyreek killer Jalen Waddle, to
have it against you know, week two, Week three, Week
three against Justin Jefferson in Minnesota, Week four against DeVante Adams,
to be able to just put that guy there, this
(45:54):
is yours go to work a huge advantage. One more
for you.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Dalvin Cook is going to get released. He with the
Florida State. We got some knowles on this team sure
as we kind of wait for this Austin Eckler thing
to unfold, would Dalvin Cook be a name that you
would consider if things go in a different direction with Austin.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
What Look, Yeah, it'd be great to have him. I
just I feel like he's in the same boat as
Austin Eckler, and that is someone who wants money and
a lot of it. And the vikings are essentially saying
to Dalvin very similar things to the Chargers saying to Austin,
we love you, we appreciate you, You're an important part
of this team, but we can't do that. And word
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is he he doesn't want you look at the numbers
that you've heard in it. It's like that just doesn't
line up. And for his agent, that's what people forget
is it's not just the player, it's the financial team
around the player. You can't have an agent. The agent
will refuse to do a low money deal because of
how it looks. For the agent, it's that they want
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as much money as possible. So I'm assuming the Vikings
are saying, hey, we'll bring you back, but it's got
to be at this number, and you know that's going
to be a decent number. It's not going to be
a couple million bucks. It may not be fourteen million
dollars or twelve million dollars, but it could be eight
or nine million bucks, seven or eight million dollars, and
that's just not something that's in the cards for the Chargers.
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I would guess with the money that they're going to
have to dole out to Justin Herbert and I'm still
waiting for him to do a little bargain shopping here
with some of the talent that's still out there. We've
talked about it got out there, Leonard, Floyd, Yannick and Gocway,
Bryce Callahan and Slot. You know, those are not those
are not development inhibitors, as Bill Parcells would call them.
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Those Those are not vets that are taking reps away
from young players that you want to develop and are
probably better just inexperienced than the vets. Those are good
vets that can add to a team. And it'll be
interesting to see how long they're sitting out there waiting
for all that cash that that isn't gonna come. Now
there's post June first cuts when you can make those moves,
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and once those happen and teams are able to get
some big money contracts off their books because they take
less of a cap hit after June first, then is
that that's that next wave. So that's sort of what
we're waiting for here, Chris, these next fourteen days to
see what those June June first cuts are. Who's going
to have some money to spend, and what these free
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agents that are still out there are willing to settle
for yep.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Remember charges me a lot of these moves after the
draft last year with uh with more did Box and
Kyle van Noy. Yeah, Kyle's another name that's out there.
But I think you know when you guy like when
you draft a guy like Tully, I guess it's just
a matter of what Kyle's gonna want as a veteran
and how the money lines up, no doubt. Well, see
it's Mason seventeenth. Like you said, money in a couple
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of weeks after June first, I think there'll be a
little bit more action around the league in terms of
player movement. But we appreciate Julielade coming on and joining us,
seeing our old friend, and well, we'll see you guys
next week for money. I'm Chris. This has been Chargers Weekly.
As a late fifteen to ten touched up Socker. What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Guys, Welcome into a brand new episode of Chargers Weekly,
as always, joined by Matt Muddy Smith and Muddy OTA's
rookie mintiicamp Is in the rear view. We'll talk about
what Brandon Staley had to say about the rookies and
Justin Herbert throwing a football. But why don't you introduce
our first guest, a guy that we know really well.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, one of our favorites, even though and he and
Trey made it tough on me. They'd wear the same
color socks, the same color wristbands, same color shoes. They
had the long hair covering up their numbers, so they'd
make it tough if they were both in on a
tackle trying to figure out which one was. Wish that
maybe punched the ball out or some then, But we
appreciate them, and look, we say it all the time.
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There's certain positions on the field that can break it down,
and safety is certainly one of them. It's jalil ed
with us. One of our favorites spanned a couple different
coaching staffs, so we're gonna get into that. But and
someone who had to change positions actually to get it going.
So Jalil, thanks for taking some time out here. Man,
it's great to see you.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's great to see you too.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I appreciate you guys having me. Always good to seeing
you guys. As get to it.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Julia's on the rise in the broadcasting ranks. I know
you're doing total access at the end of the month, man,
and I know you're gonna kill it and kind of
make that natural progression into the broadcasting world. But let's
just start really top of mind with this Chargers team
this offseason. Obviously, everybody's talking about how it ended right
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being up twenty seven to nothing and losing that game.
And I think you hear Sebastian, Joseph Day and Dura
Winter and all these guys who have talked after the season,
there's a bad taste in their mouths. How can that
maybe fuel them for twenty twenty three? And it just
kind of your state of the team as we talk
right now in May, like.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Like like Durwin said, Joseph, Joseph Day said, anytime you
lose a game like that, especially in the playoffs, being
up by that much and then having a team come
back and beat you in the way that the Jaguars did,
especially being a defensive player. Right, you're up, so you
think the games in your hands. If they don't score,
they don't win.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Right.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
So, like like Durwin said, and those guys said, there's
a bad tasting them out then, and it could be
good for them going into the offseason.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
You know, it's going to feel that extra drive that
they need doing.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
OTA's bring the commodity together and say, hey, guys, we
can't go out there and do what we did last year.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
We got to tighten up in those areas that we've
seen that we lack.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
We lacked in and we got to continue to prove
and hopefully that will be the next drive in the
next i'd say, thing or situation that catapults the defense
and the team overall into getting it deep into the
playoffs next year and not letting that happen again.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I'd love to know. Julio just I said it kind
of when we brought you on. Just You're you know,
it's hard enough to be a standout high school football player,
but then you get to play Division one football and
when you show up, they're like, yeah, we might have
recruited you as a running back, but that ain't happening.
And then they move you to wide receiver and they're like, yeah,
and that ain't happening. So take us through what that is.
Because you're you're an elite player, you think you're one
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of the best in the country, and all of a
sudden they're telling you, well know, we'd rather have you
over here. How does that whole process go, How do
you lean into that and how do you excel at it?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Yeah, for me, it was difficult because I never played
defense in my life. I grew up in Floyda. I
played running back my whole life. I thought it was
gonna be the next.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Ward done Berry Sanders him Smith.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I get to college, I'm near I'm at the runback
position for like two weeks. They moved me over to
slot receiver and then it's one play in practice. They
throw a screen to the running back and I peel
back on the defensive end and I light them up.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
The older heads at the time didn't like that.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
They didn't like the way that I was practicing right,
But I was a young guy trying to make my name.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I got moved around a couple of times.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Coach comes to me after practice and he's like, hey,
I like how you exploded through your hips. We're gonna
move you to defense, and you know me, I'm like,
all right, coach, I'm back in my bond.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I'm like defense. I've never played defense.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
My older brothers of safety at West Virginia I was
coaching in college at the time.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I called him and gave me a couple of pointers.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
First day of seven on seven, I go out there,
I get two PBUs, I get a strip, and team
I get a strip. So, I mean, Leana's needless to say.
I think it worked that well for me. But the
mindset is like as an athlete, right, you just you
always feel like you're you're going to compete at whatever
it is.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
It doesn't matter if they tell you to go fill
up the.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Water bottle, doesn't tell you if they tell you to
go move the bags, right, You're going to compete.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
And that's what I did. I just competed. I didn't
mope about it.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
It's different nowadays, guys can just enter the transfer portal.
When I was coming out eleven years ago, you had
to stick to stick by your guns, right and just
compete and battle it out. And that's what I did well.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I'd love to, you know, I asked, because you know
they draft Diane Henley and he did the same thing,
flipped from one side to the other. So kind of
take us through maybe what you then see differently that
maybe guys that have been playing defense their whole lives,
because I would assume they lean on you seeing how
well you excelled at the position, kind of asking you, Okay,
how do you approach this? What is it that that
does for you as a player.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
You just get to see both sides of the ball.
For me, it was big because as a running back,
right you had to.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Have vision when you're running through those holes.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
And when I was a safety and I dropped down
into the box where I excelled the most was I
It's almost like I seen the holes as if I
was running, so I would be able to anticipate where
the running back was going based off what I see
in or felt, because he was seeing the same thing.
If there's an open gap, he sees, he's going to
hit it. There's an open gap, I see it, I'm
going to hit it. So I think that translated well
for me going from running back to safety and just
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like anything It's the same thing as.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
If you're playing wide receiver right and then they move
you to dB.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
You know that ride receivers like to stem you outside,
to bring you back inside to break back out for
a corner roid. So it's different things that you know
that you've done in the past on the other side
of the ball that you can use when you get
to the other side to defend it and be successful
at it.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You know, Julil, I remember, I think it was twenty seventeen,
you started every game with twenty seventeen. That was Michael
Davis's first years and undrafted Vato, and you know, he
really worked his way up. I know Ron Miles took
him under his way and Gus and and he really
established himself as a good player. When Gus left, Brandon
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Salely comes in a completely different defense, and it took Michael.
I think that all of Brandon's first year. Last year,
we saw Michael Davis play better than almost any corner
in the league. I mean, he was at a high level.
I don't if you just speak to your your experience
playing with Michael, and you know that that shift from
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what Gus did to this Vic Fangio, Brandon Saley type
defense and just how different that is.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Right.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yeah, what's crazy is I'm the one that actually gave
Voto that that Nick Dame when he came in, So
that's my guy, man. But I see Voto when he
came in, just a humble kid, willing to learn, no ego.
And one thing Vato can do is he can run right,
and Gus Bradley they implemented that with him. Gus was
big on staying on not letting the ball get over
your head, and Mike he excelled, right, He excelled in
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that defense. And then you see the switch come over
with the Brandon Staley's defense and they're playing more quarters,
they're playing more man, and I think it just took
Voto a little bit more time to get adjusted to it.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Obviously, they brought Jay C. Jackson over. They had a.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Sante Samuels, you know, running with the ones, and Vato
was a former starter who got pushed down the depth
trot a little bit because of free agency, which happens
in this business. But once he got his feedback under him,
and I think that he got more comfortable with the defense.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
You've seen him excel.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Like you said, he played top ball last year one
of the best corners in the league stat wise, right
with PBu. So he did this thing, man, and I
think this year he'll he'll continue to do that and
grow even more.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Julia, when you kind of see these last couple of
years and everybody sort of and look that the numbers
are what they are, it's right to take shots about
the run defense, this idea of you know, how much
has to go right for a defense to be able
to stop the run, and maybe what you've noticed, and
because everybody just points to the line, they're like, well,
you got to get better bodies since I but you know,
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it's so much more than that, especially with the amount
of tackles you would pile up, like you said, reading
the gaps and making those stops as a safety.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
The biggest thing I think is gap discipline. Right. It
starts up front. The defensive line sets the temple. The
defensive line sets the line of scrimmage. Right, you want
your defensive line to play on their side of the ball.
I think the only thing that I've seen a little
bit with the charges with some guys jumping out of
gaps or missing the gaps, or linebackers not playing downhill
fast enough. They have the talent, the roster is there.
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Tom has done a great job over there is of
building this roster. I think the biggest thing is just
gap integrity, Right, don't be in this gap, sticking your
head in this gap, stay true, trust the guy behind
you that he's going to The linebackers are going to
fill in. And then here comes Durham, who you know,
who's going to blow up anything that comes through the hole.
Low He has played well, so I think just playing
more so as a group because the talent is there
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and trusting one another, I think they'll be fine. I
think Brandon Staley will fix that problem and the Chargers
defense will really excel this season.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Julian, they didn't do much for free age and see,
but one of the things they did on the defensive
side of the ball was bringing Kendricks as a linebacker.
You talked about shooting the gaps, and you know, we've
heard Sebastia just today and Derek Ansley talk about the
run defense and how it is really truly all three
levels involved in making that thing work. What is therek
Kendrick's going to bring to this Chargers defense.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Like I said, the defense the defense is going to excel,
and he's one of those main pieces. Why right, They
brought him in for free agency, and he's a he's
a certified baller. He's been balling since he's came into
the league. He's a downhill He's a downhill linebacker. And
what that will do is allow those double teams that
are on the defensive lineman to come up sooner because
he's coming he's playing downhill. That way, the defensive line
will get more one on ones. And in this league,
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it's all about your one on ones. Who wins the
one on one battles. And like I said, this defense
is loaded. The front four is loaded, and I don't
think anybody in this league wants to block these guys
one on one. So I think having him come in
as a leader, what he brings with his physical attributes
playing downhill, they'll free up some more guys down there
on the front so they can make more TFLs and
control that line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
So I'm looking at the schedule, Julia, and it's Green
Bay November nineteenth, New England December third, Denver December thirty.
First is someone from Florida who had to go make
your bones up in central Michigan. How big of a
deal is the cold? Like when you're a warm weather person,
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a Charger or a warm weather team, Like, how big
of a deal is that when you got to go
play sixty minutes outdoors in December in New England.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I can tell you it's tough.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Like you said, come from Florida playing in Michigan, playing
with the Charges. You know, we got this beautiful weather
seventy five and son a year round and we got
to go play it places like Arrowhead in December, places
like the Patriots, like we did in the second round
in twenty eighteen. And this is a difference, right, there's
a difference. It's colder, your muscles are tighter, you're not
used to it. Those guys are out there in short
sleeves and we're coming out in long sleeves. But like
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I said, there's a lot of experience on this team.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I think they'll be fine.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
They got to lean on their A game and get
into those cold weather games. The ball gets slick, it's hard,
it's hard to pass in those games.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
So you got to lead on that running game.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Austin Eckler, that that offensive line that Tom has invested
in has to show up in those kind of games,
and I think they will, so I don't think it'll
be that big of a deal.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Hey Chris, hold on, I want to jump in because
he brought it up. I would love to know if
you felt the same thing we did in the booth
in that twenty eighteen playoff game and just kind of
how you guys were trying to figure it out. Coin toss,
Patriots win and they take the ball and we went, WHOA,
what did they figure out? What do they got up
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their slik? Like what is it about this defense that
they figured out that they feel like we want the
ball first and we're going to go score? What was
going on that day? And like what was it that
made it so tough that they had kind of put
on you guys?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
It was a crazy by the way, it was crazy.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Granted we jumped out on him.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
It was we were the first first quarter were we
were in and with them Keenan.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Hit Gilmore with a double move or dig and go.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
We walked into that game confident is ever, like we
were going to beat them, and we felt that way.
The week before we stopped Lamar with seven DB's run
one of the most predominant rushing attack officers you're going.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
To see in the league. Right.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
I think they did that more so like, hey, we're
gonna try to set the temple. We're gonna set We're
gonna set the precedents for today.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And they did that. They did a good job of
establishing the run. And once they did that, we.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Were playing downhill, downhill, and then here comes the power
power pass. Right, they're faking the power plass and over
the top with Edelman in Gronk.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
So it was a tough it was a tough slad.
It was a tough day.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
It was a tough day in the second half, and
they just had our number that day.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Man. I always tell people that was that year.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
I felt that we were going to hit that Super Bowl,
but we ran into a guy by the name of
Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Damn Tom Brady, Damn.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Hey, you know, Julius Speaking of that twenty eighteen team,
I mean, you guys, People forget you guys are pretty dominant.
Twelve or four. You started every game, and you started
every game beside a rookie named Derwin James. You were you.
I remember you and Ap and a lot of those
guys veterans in that secondary really instrumental in coaching Derwin
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up and making sure he was ready to go. But
obviously Derwin is Dirwin too. What was it like playing
with him his rookie year where he was the first
team All Pro?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Man, that dude's a generational talent, I said all the time.
Everyone asks me, Man, it is during really that good? Durings,
that damn good Like he's the best safety in the league.
There's no argument. But just seeing him coming. I'm from Florida,
I was a Florida State fan growing up. I watched
him in college he came in. The biggest thing with
him is a lot of people talk and harp on
his physical attributes. But the guy is smart, right, He's smart,
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He's willing to learn, He's a phenomenal leader, and he
just wants to be the best. He He has god
given talent. But there's a lot of people who have
God given talent but don't work right, don't work how
he works, or don't take don't take his craft hit
the craft as heres as he does, and he does. Man,
he wants to be the best he see. He says
one percent every day and he really means it. Man,
He's trying to get better every single day and it
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shows on Sunday. He's the heartbeat of that defense, heartbeat
of the team if you ask me, right as he goes,
they go. When he's not out there there, it's a difference.
And he's one to watch man. He's excited to watch
for the next ten plus years.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Gillio coming out of this, this first round of OTAs
and rookie camp and all that. A lot of questions
Derek Ansley, the new DC about J. T. Woods and
you know, here's a third round pick that just couldn't
get on the field last year, and you know they
could have used him. I mean, they absolutely could have so,
and a lot of the questions surrounded instincts and vision
and you know the productions there. A guy had six
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interceptions at Baylor. So maybe if you can kind of
take us through your your observations and in that particular position,
you know, I know you played strong most of the time,
but playing free as a rookie and how much goes
into that responsibility and trying to get acclimated as a rookie.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
It's a lot because these quarterbacks in this league are
the elite, right and they can manipulate you with their eyes,
with their shoulders, right, and one false.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Step in this league, you burned.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Like you said, in college, he showed that he's a
ball hawk, and training camp he was showing that he
was a ball howk. And there's a learning curve right,
and I think that he had to go through that
may have hit a rookie wall.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I wasn't in the building, but I think this year
is going to be him and a Logi who battled
it out in training camp for that starter spot next
to Derwin. The kid is physical, he's tall, but I
like a Loki too.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Man. It's gonna be a great camp to watch.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
That's gonna be one of the most important camp battles
that we see as him and the Lowhi going at
it for that starting spot.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Jill, what do you make of the way a Lohi
has played? And you know, I see him as a
guy who is stuck around his work ethic speaks for itself,
and he made he made plays in games too. In particular,
that stickout is the one first play of the game
against the Dolphins where he breaks up the Tyreek Hill bomb,
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which could have you know, the game could have gone
the other way had that had that converted. Uh. The
other one was the interception in Cleveland. Like he seems
to be at the right place at the right time.
Nothing flashy, but seemed to be a really nice compliment
to Derwin.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
He's a real good compliment to Duran.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Like you said, you harped on that first play with Tyreek,
who's a world class sprinter who's taking guys deep for
a living, right. And the funny thing about it is
the Dolphins drew that play uf just for him to
be on the low heat. Although he stepped up to
the plate ball, didn't panic, made the play and then
let them know not.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Today, right, y'all, Are'm bringing that to me? And honestly,
they didn't try him after that.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
But like you said, in Cleveland on the goal line,
just just mirroring the eyes of to Kobe and picks
him off.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
When I was there, he's made plays.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Just seeing him as a young kid and how he's
come in and how he's.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Continued to grow and grow and grow.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Like you said, nothing flashy, not the biggest, not the fastest,
but he's in the right place at the right time.
He's smart, and he's durable and the coaches can depend
on him. When the coach can depend on you, you will
play a long time in this league and they feel
comfortable with you out there. So I think Alo he's
going to ball this year. Like I said, interesting to
see who wins that battling camp.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, you just retired Julie, so you had a chance
to get a crack at Patrick Mahomes multiple times. Give
us an idea of what you talked about, Dan tom Brady, Like,
what does Patrick Mahomes present to an opposing defense.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
It's Patrick and it's Andy at the same time. Like
those guys are two geniuses together. But you can prepare
for them on Monday through Sunday all the way up
into the game. Prepare for the different formations they're going
to throw at you, the different personnels. But once you
get out there, it's backyard football. Patrick steps back, he looks,
he doesn't see it. Now he's running around and it's
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a scrambled drill. You're chasing Kelsey, you're chasing Tyreek Hill
back in the day. You're chasing all these guys around,
and Patrick just makes it happen. He can make any
throw in the field from any unorthodox position sidearm. No.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Look, he's like the Magic Johnson of football man.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
He can deliver however he wants to, and that's what
he brings and that's one of the biggest threats when
you're playing him. It's just those guys are never out
of the game. No matter how much you think that
you know them or you got them, you don't.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Julia, the balance of power, it's really unbalanced when we
talk about the quarterback playing the AFC versus the NFC.
I know, I heard you say you think the Chargers
have a legit shot to the throne the Chiefs, and
obviously they need to prove that. But when you look
at all the quarterbacks that this team is going to
have to face, from Mahomes twice, to Russell Wilson twice
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if Peyton can get him right, to Lamar Jackson, to
Josh Allen, you know, all these guys, Aaron Rodgers, how
difficult is it going to be in the AFC just
to make the playoffs? And you know, money and I've
talked callous times about like you know, ten to eleven
teams that have a legit shot to make the playoffs
based on just the quarterback that they have under center.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Right.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Yeah, when you're in this league, you always have a
chance and you have a quarterback like these guys do.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Like you said, your naming off names.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Were Pro Bowl, All Pros, future Hall of Famers, that
these guys are gonna have to see weekend and week out.
I think the biggest thing is that they have to
stay healthy. Whichever team stays the most healthy this season,
I think will be one of the team teams who
give theirselves the best shot of making it out of
the AFC to make it into the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Other than that, you just got to be on top
of your game.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
There's not one single game in the NFL, or especially
with the rosters, the schedule excuse me that they have
this year, that you can just roll the ball out
and say, hey, we're going to win today. Everyone has
to be dialed in offense, defense, special teams, especially the
defense with these quarterbacks are playing. And like I said,
Herbert is elite. He's top five in my opinion, and
he'll go blow for blow with any quarterback in this league.
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So I think having him is obviously a bonus. But
they got to be on top of it and be
prepared weekend and week out.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Give us Julia, you made the team as an undrafted
free agent, and you always hear you guys that take
your path. You gotta make it on special teams. How
do you make a team on special teams? Like, what
is it that you do that separates you for them
to say, yeah, we're going to give him one of
our fifty three spots because of what he showed us
on special teams.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
First of all, you got to go special team. You
have to have a different mindset offense and defense. We
all want to play offenses defense, right, special teams, you
have to have an unselfish mindset. Kickoff, kickoff return, these
are all high impact plays. Everyone's running from fifteen to
twenty yards. You can't shy away from any context. You
got to be a bullet out there. You have to
show that you have no care for your body in
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a sense, right, you have to give it up for
the team. You have to be an unselfish player. And
I think that's the biggest thing for rookies. When you
come in you're the off star. When you leave college, right,
you're you're the big man on campus. But when you
come to the league, especially if you're an undrafted guy.
You're the small fry and you got to prove yourself
in the way you prove yourself as special teams, going
down on kickoff, making tackles inside the twenty, blocking punts,
you know, on kickoff return getting back here, drops, setting up,
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if you have a one on one block, staying with
your one on one block, if you have a double
team driving that guy out of there to create a
lane for the kickoff returner or punt returner.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
So it's things like that. You got to show up
and you gotta flash on.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Film on special teams for those coaches to say, hey,
this is one of the guys that we got to
keep on this roster.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Julian, we were cheated last year of seeing Mike Williams
in the playoffs. We're cheated of seeing Keenan Allen from
Majority or a big chunk at the first half of
the season. You went up against those guys on a
day to day basis when Mike and Keenan are a
full strength and you just you know, we talk about
these other weapons. Quintin Johnson, who they drafted in the
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first round, Joshua Palmer, Gerald Everett, I mean, Justin Herbert's
got a ton of weapons, but just Mike and Keenan
in particular. I mean you came in with Keenan, so
you've seen him from the beginning.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah, I have.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
And like you said, Mike and Keenan when you talk
about them too, and they're both healthy, they're the best
combo in the league. And I argue guys down about
that Mike can catch any deep ball. He's not a
fifty to fifty guys more seventy five twenty five. Keenan
can line up on the outside inside when the best
route running in the league. Him and Davante Adams. I
gave those guys one day one b So those guys
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right there are special. And when you give Herbert who's
in the league quarterback with the arm like that, and
then you add those other pieces in there, one person
that the guy a lot of people have forgot about.
Everyone wants to say, we want speed, we want speed.
Jalen Guyton is a guy who has speed. He's a
guy who can stretch the field. Obviously he's coming off
of ACL but I think they have everything that they
need for Kellen Moore to make this offense go at
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that wide receiver position and it's going to be special
to watch.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Last one for me, Julia. We appreciate the time. Man,
I would say, I know you're busy, but I don't
know if you are. And that's why I'm asking you
this question. It's such a weird profession. You know, you're
thirty three years old. Man, It's like you've got your
entire life ahead of you and you've already lived a
professional life, a decade in the league, and you know,
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playing at a high level and getting a big contract
and all that sort of stuff, all that great success.
But then it's almost like it just spits you out
because you're on this right because you're on this regiment
and everything is laid out for you, and now life
is just kind of there and you got to figure
out what is figure out just share with the people,
like what that is, Like, I like to have this
incredible career, doing this incredible job, and then you're done
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at thirty three.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah, done at.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Thirty three, man, Like you said, it goes by that fast.
Almost a decade in the league, and it's a transition
and everybody goes through. It doesn't matter if you play
three years, five years, fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
It's a transition.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
My biggest thing is I would tell players when you're playing,
always have a plan, right, And it sounds cliche, have
a plan, plan B or, but it's true because you
always think as a player, I will never be done.
I'll never be done. Then it goes by that fast.
For me, obviously, I'm transitioning to broadcasting. I'm doing real estate.
I've dove into real estate. And one of the biggest
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things for me is that helped me a lot with
my transition. Like the money's like you said, contract, you've played,
you've accomplished your dream, You've made big money in the NFL.
But the biggest thing for me that has been a
blessing to me is my family, my wife Lindsay, my
three kids, Zion's all year and Zuri. That's who I
pour myself into now with sports. You know, we're doing sports,
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We're doing travel, we're doing school things. So that's been
the biggest blessing for me. Man, it's actually taken a
lot of the transition told off of me. I can
say that it's my family that's been the biggest. The
biggest blessing for me.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Money. You know what, guys get drafted and they played
in the league for a long time. But uh, Jillian,
you're different man. Like, first of all, you're the almost professional, right,
but to be undrafted and to stick in the league
for as long as you did, you know, during different
coaching steps, it just it says something about you, right
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that you're you're the type of guy that they needed
on that team to succeed. And I remember firsthand, like
you know, when when the Anthony Lynn era started. I mean,
you were a big part of that in terms of
the leadership in the locker room. So I just want
to commend you because I think it's one thing to
be in the league for a few years, get drafted
and then kind of find the next thing. But I
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mean how you created your own success. Not many people
in the league can do that, you know. Austin Eckler
is another example of that, right, a guy who was
all drafted. So just to get you out of here
on this, that next endeavor is broadcasting. You just told
me you're gonna be a total access right in June
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or what is that tell us about that?
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:16):
So I did a three day boot camp with the
NFL Network, got some good feedback, and they invited me
back out as a guest analyst for the whole week
on Total Access May twenty ninth, I think through June
second or June third, So I'll be on there live
doing my thing, suited and booted four pm Central, four
pm Pacific time, seventh pm Eastern time.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
So if y'all ain't doing nothing, check me out. Let
me know.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
There we go. Where else can we find you? Anywhere else? Julia?
Outside of that that that one week? What else you got?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I got the NFL Total Access.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
I'm doing some stuff locally here in San Diego, NBC
San Diego, Fox five actually in June, and I'll be
out there with you, guys. I think I'm gonna be
with you. Chris June twelfth, covering the media day for
the Chargers. So I'm just getting my whistle at Man
is getting started. I'm enjoying it and I'm passionate about it.
So we'll see where it takes me.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I love it, charges faceas julil die Man. Hey, it
was so great catching up and like like I said,
your your insight is a player and playing with so
many guys on this current roster, it really brings a
lot to light in terms of what to expect a
twenty twenty three man. So we appreciate your time and
look forward to more analysis throughout the offseason.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Sounds good. Thank you for having me, guys.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Thanks Julie.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
All right, Well, Buddy, I love when we talk to
former players, especially former players that know so many of
the key guys and key contributors on this twenty twenty
three Chargers team.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah, look, safety, he said it. You know that's gonna
be a big one because they you don't. We've said
this before. You don't draft guys in the third round
and expect them to be fringe special teams players and
not make their way into the rotation on either of
the offense or the defensive side of the ball. So
they're expecting a lot on j T. Woods. I know
we're going to get into it, and that was one
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of it felt like, if not the it was darn
close to the most discussed topic with new d C
Derek Ansley about what the vision is and what the
expectations are for JT. So great to get a little
bit of insight there from Jaliel about and he hit
it on the head. He's absolutely right. I had what
six interceptions at Baylor senior year, it came into the
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you know, led the NCAA, comes in, shows out in
training camp, has a solid run a little bit there
in the preseason, and then for whatever reason, just got
away from him and did not get himself a lot
of playing time, and it was like thirty something snaps
and some of those were emergency snaps. So that to
me is one of the big camp questions and one
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that no doubt the Chargers would love to see answered.
With j T. Woods working his way as a starter
on this defense, we should.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Start there, you know. For a list of a few
things that I thought were the key takeaways, Brandon Staley
was asked about j T.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Woods.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Derek Ansley was asked about j T. Woods, and we
talked about Alohi Gilman and kind of the steadiness that
he's brought to that secondary and I thought he was
a pleasant surprise last year. Frankly, But but you don't
drafted ze like you said, the third round on the
to sit on the bench, Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I mean I'm pulling it up right now just to
give you an idea of who got taken in that
third round and how much they're playing as you go
through a Chad Muma, you know, playing for the Jags.
We saw him in the playoff game. A linebacker there.
Vellis Jones didn't have a great year, but the Bears
tried to put him in to that rotation. Jilanie Woods
became the starting tight end in Indianapolis. Desmon Ritter, quarterback
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for the Falcons, ends up starting the final four games.
I mean, when you go through it, Greg Dolcic, we
saw how big of an impact he had in Week
eighteen against the Chargers of the tight end in Denver.
These are third round picks Nikobe Dean for Philadelphia. Of
course that he slipped because of the injury. But you
know what the expectations are there, Like third round, you
got to play third round. You expect for these guys
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to be big tributors. And that's why and that's look,
that's how it is this year. When you talk about
Towoey too, Lea polow To in the second and Henley
in the third, we expect those guys to play this
year beyond beyond special teams. Yeah, Henley's a special teams
stud and they expect him to be. And that was
another sort of theme of conversations surrounding the questions asked
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the coaches, But coach Ficken and coach Staley with with Henley,
but they expect those guys to contribute this year on defense,
and no doubt that's what they're gonna want to see
from Jay two wits is that he's able to take
that step.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
You put J. T. Woods in that in that conversation.
He's almost like a red shirt rookie, right. He was
he's got to play. They asked about Tooley and if
it was going to be, uh, maybe a learning curve
because he's twenty years old, and I love Dansley's answer.
He said, this guy is wise beyond his years, so
it's it's not that he should be ready to go.
And you know the fact that he is twenty I
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think is frankly exciting because I do think that when
you're in Ruth Khalil and Joey Bosa and playing the football,
he's already played. He's going to make an impact. And
I have no doubt that I think him and Henley
are both going to play and play a decent amount,
especially to Polo two when we talk about, uh, that
edge position, because I think he's automatically that that number three,
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edg Russer right now money, no.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Doubt, And to your point, it was a great answer
from from Ansley because he spot on age. Age can
be a thing. We saw it last year with Isaiah
Spiller just from a growth and a strength and a
body type standpoint. But you look at Twi Polotu and
he looks like an NFL player. When you looked at
Isaiah Spiller, you're like, man, it looks like a baby
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out there. So there's a difference and people, can you know,
the mature their their bodies are are built differently and
certainly to a polo two. And it'll be interesting to
see how they envision him. Do they want him to
get lighter, Do they want him to get heavier? Do
they like him exactly where he is? Do they want
to put him inside? He can play up and down
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the line, and he's got the body where however you
want him to be most effective. He can do that.
So it'll be interesting to see how they how they
deploy him, the different ways they deploy him. But no
doubt he's and it was great to see him out there,
and it was great see all the rookies out there,
the undrafted free agents out there. It's just fun to
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see dudes live their dreams and realize their dreams and
and just have that pep in their step. Is is
they put on that charger helmet for the first time
and get coached up by these NFL coaches for the
first time. Not to mention, having Justin Herbert out there
working out next to him throwing around was pretty damn
great to see.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, that was probably the lead among all fans, is
that Justin Herbert throwing a football in May and you
know it's it's a big deal because he had that
that off season surgery. But when he's slinging around the
way he was to to Quintin Johnston, which the Charges
put on their social media the other day, I think
things are good. So I don't think there's any worry
that Justin Harpist could be ready to go.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Love that all the rookies into a polotal get done,
but love that the contracts are done. Get that. Just
wipe that off the table. We know in years past
you've had a couple of hiccups here and there, guys
holding out until the day before training camp or something.
Get the sense that that is not going to be
the case this year, specifically with Quinton, just because they
expect a lot out of him. He's your first round
pick and that's the one that typically takes the longest
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to get sorted out. So very happy that that's squared
away and that he was out there and he is
full speed ahead, ready to roll. And I'll tell you
there were some shots that I got excited. Seeing the
hands out in front of them snatching those balls out
the air got me a little I'm like, okay, here
we go. Now, it's not when you got contact and
you're feeling contact, and that's typically when your muscle memory
comes into play. But I'll take it. I'll take it
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for now what I thought was cool, and you take
this for what it's worth.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I just think it's a reflection of the locker room,
and I think kind of the culture is the fact
that Mike Williams, Keenan Allen, and Joshpa Palmer went up
to the hotel to introduce themselves to the Quinton and
get to know them a little bit there. I just
think that that don't have to do this stuff. Is
it matters. It's he's going into a room with guys
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who have done it at the highest level. And for
a guy like Joshua Palmer who's kind of on that
same track that Quinton is, he's got a couple of
years learning from Keenan and Mike, but just to kind
of be welcomed in to the wide receivers room like that,
I think that little stuff matters.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
The other thing just shifting from wide receiver to a
wide receiver but really more of a returner. I really
liked what coach Ficken had to say about Darius Davis
because there's there's a there's certainly a segment of scouting
society that says more and more with teams are just
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content to kick the ball out of the back of
the end zone. You don't have returns like you used to.
Punters have become so good that hang time becomes such
a weapon that you're barely returning any punts now, and
Coach Ficken had a perfect response to that. He specifically
pointed out, it's what we like about this guy is
he is one of the few that is he called
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him the best returner in college football. He's like, this
is one of the few guys who doesn't get phased
by bodies flying around him. He trusts his blocks are
going to be there, and he's returning punts that other
guys perhaps wouldn't, So it speaks to something they saw
in Darius Davis that they did not see anywhere else.
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And we're willing to pay a premium for that a
fourth round pick, as opposed to wait until the fifth
or sixth or seventh to get a returner because of
how diminished that particular position has become. And it was
exciting to hear. No, we expect this guy to return
punts that other guys wouldn't and that's why he's here.
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And we know how important that was last year in
a number of games when DeAndre Carter's giving you that
extra ten twelve a cup of gosh, I I'm blanking
on it right now. If I had the schedule in
front of me, I would probably Was it the Miami
game that he had the big return that set up
the Maybe it wasn't Miami, darn at what. I can't
remember what game it was, but it was a tight game.
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It was a Tennessee It was a tight game, and
he had a big punt return that set up the
game winning field goal. It was like a fifty something
yard was it Atlanta, it was.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Maybe it was Tennessee because didn't Justin had that big
strike to Mike Williams to set up the field goal right.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Right, So that was a big strike. So it wouldn't
have been Tennessee because that was the big toss from
Justin on the Ah, my bad, I should That's what
happens when I just go stream of consciousness, I make
a full of myself.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
No, it's because I can't even think about it. You
know what I was gonna say, though, because you were
in the booth for it. I remember when the sky
was falling special teams wise in August against the Cowboys,
and it was just a disaster. Cavante Turpin, yes, and
the returner receiver. Right. So the Chargers got their Philip
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Turpin in the in the preseason uh more frog, and
then they drafted one. They said, let's get one of
our own. They could maybe flip the field for us
exactly right. Uh are you still looking? You're not looking
up that DJ Carter thing, are you?
Speaker 1 (36:28):
I was, and I just gave up because it wasn't.
It wasn't Miami. Was The long drive to get the
field goal consumed like ten minutes. Tennis Denver was.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
The muff punt. That was the Jair Taylor game.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Denver was the muff punt. Perhaps it was a man.
I'm like I said, I am doing myself no favors
right now because I'll have to. I'd have to take
the people. The people that are listening, they know, they know,
and I my old brain is all salt water logged
and it can't free can process memories anymore. So my
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great apologies, folks. I'm sure you remember the game I'm
talking about, and I don't.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
I don't sleep.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
I don't really, I don't.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Know if there's that right sleep it is either there's
exactly that.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I wanted to end on this. I kind of alluded
to it with Jalie at the end. But the twenty
seven and nothing things not going away among the players.
Sebastian Joseph Day talked about it, and I say that
I think is a good thing. I think that this
is going to be something that is really going to
stick with them now. It's it's a matter if you
got to kill.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
It right Arizona. It was Arizona. Remember they're down twenty
four to seventeen with two minutes left and they punt,
They punt, and it is.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
A overtime That was overtime game.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
That was the no they went for two, go for
two games. Yes, So it was a fifty yard punt
DeAndre Carter twenty yard return to the Arizona forty three
and gets hit out of bounds, so or and there's
a player out of bounds penalty adds another five yards.
They get the ball with a minute forty eight left,
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go down, score, go for fifteen seconds left to go
for two, win the game. And that was then that
was set saved the season, and that was set up
by the Andre Carter's twenty yard punt return that put
them at the Arizona forty three to get that drive started.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
I honestly don't think they would have made the playoffs
had they lost that game. I really don't.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
I agree. I think I think they agree. They would
have been five and six, and it just the sting of.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Losing that game. I think I don't know if they
would have made the postseason had they lost the game.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
I thought that was that was the one, you well,
they had lost. Remember they had lost San Francisco Kansas
City prior, so they were staring at a three game
losing streak, and it would have been because and they
lost against Las Vegas the next week, and we thought,
oh boy, and then you're staring at Miami and all
that speed on Sunday night football and it's like you're
six and seven, and then you go to Tennessee. I
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don't know, you know, it was it was a roller coaster,
but I do I do.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Think that this whole Jacksonville thing is going to fuel
a lot of the players that had to live through that, because,
you know, Sebastian even said, he's never lost like that.
Derwin's in the locker roop. He's never lost like that.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
It's hard to lose like that.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
It's it's hard to lose like that. I was just
trying to think of like comparisons of you know, even
another sport like has a team like kind of used
something devastating and come back and used it and actually
won and got to the top of the mountain. You
know what I thought about AVA losing to UVA sixteen
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seed losing.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Sure it was the next year, Yeah, they won it
all after losing Maryland Baltimore County they lost to Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yeah, UNBC, that's right. The social media guy got got
his fifteen minutes of fame that night. I wish it's possible, Listen.
I hope I had a negative, having a negative channeling
into a positive of this offseason.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
I hope.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
So.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
I Unfortunately, I feel like in the NFL there's more,
there's more situations that you have a bad event and
everything just unravels from there. We know about the loser
of the Super Bowl, how routinely they have a terrible
following season. I look back to last year and you
think about thirteen seconds, How in the heck did the
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Bills figure out how to lose to Kansas City in
that in that divisional round, and and then what happens
They come back this year and they lose the divisional
round at home. Obviously a lot of circumstances surrounding the
Bills from last season and what they went through, But
I feel like more well, I mean, there was the
San Francisco muffed punt when Harball was the coach and
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Kaepernick was the quarterback. Remember they lost I think that
was the NFC Championship game that they lost on that
muffed punt, And the very next year they went to
the Super Bowl. So it's possible that you can use,
you know, a dramatic loss as motivation going into the
next year, feeling like you have unfinished business, that somehow
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something was taken from you that you feel like was
yours and you play that dominant of a first half
and somehow you can't get out of there with a
win to get another crack at Kansas City, who you
played better than anybody else in the league all season long.
So I hope it is. You know, look, it's better
than the guys saying yeah, I don't care, it doesn't
bother me. It's it's much better to hear Sebastian say,
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I think about it all the time.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
It harms just think defensively money and Sebastian brought up
this point like it was the first year a lot
of those guys had played together, you know. He mentioned
guys like Derwin and Kenneth Burray and himself, Austin Johnson
who got hurt, Morgan Fox, Michael Davis. So another year
together in this defense, a new voice as a defensive
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coordinator and Derek Ansley who knows what that brings, and
just more familiarity as a unit. Get maybe having Joey
for for a majority of the year, Khalil, you know
all those things, and then you know, obviously the rookies
that we talked about, the red shirt rookies that we
talked about contributing this year. So defensively, I think it's
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more there's more of an urgency on the defensive side
of the ball to drastically improve as opposed to the offense.
I know, with with Kellen Moore coming in, obviously things
are going to change. I don't envision Justin Herbert not
scoring points. I don't care who's calling the offense, but
I do think Kellen Moore is going to make a difference.
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But I think really the onus is on the defense
to drastically improve the run d specifically, and you know,
all those guys talked about taking all three levels of
the defense to do that, and just you know, taking
the ball away, scoring on def all the things that
I think we expected this defense to look like last year,
it needs to look more that way in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
No doubt, you hit it on the head. The offense
feel great about you got weapons everywhere, You've got a
dominant offensive line, You've got one of the best quarterbacks
in the league, defense. We forget how good it could
have been because of all the injuries. You've got two
All pros Joey Bosa and j C. Jackson that essentially
missed the entire season for all intents and purposes. So
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how much better can that look when you have Joey
Bosa and j C. Jackson out there? And that was
the other exciting thing about the media availability is JC
and Derek talking about I feel like I'm gonna be
ready for week one and they're gonna need him, need
that big body in that physical matchup to step out,
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you know, step opposite Jalen Wadler, Tyreek Hill, pick one
and get after it. So that that was very encouraging.
I did not think that that would be the timeline
he'd share. Usually don't want to share timelines at all
because all you can do is, you know, fall short
of them. If you come back early, people get excited.
That you come back late, people get upset. Look at
(44:11):
look at Keenan, look at Joey. I mean, it's it's
why it's so hard to do the timeline thing. Remember
when Rashaan was talking about coming back and like, oh
he might back for Jacksonville and coach Staley was like, Eh,
let's slow down. If he's out there, great. It's probably
not gonna happen though, because you don't want to have
a letdown there, and obviously you don't want a guy
to try to rush himself back if it's it's only
going to make things worse. So but that was very
(44:32):
exciting to hear.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
The expectations for JC have done like a complete one
eighty right like last year. It's like this ahead the
most picks in football last couple of years. He's gonna
you know, he's gonna lead the league in interceptions again
right now. I don't think you can even put it
in your brain to count on him right away, but
if you can, I mean, that's a heck of a bonus.
You know, you talk about the corners, and you can
(44:55):
never have enough corners. They have guys to roll out
there week one that are pretty darn good. If you
can add a healthy J. C. Jackson to the mix
and he can be the guy that you signed him
to be. Man, now we're talking about a completely different defense.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Huge, Absolutely, you're talking about all three levels and being
able to take away the team's number one weapon, and
that's and that was the adjustment that they made with
JC right before he got hurt and he started playing well.
He did not have a good start to the season.
He was playing horrible and talking about the adjustment. I
just struggling with the scheme and finally they were like,
just go follow that guy and he did and it
(45:34):
was like, yeah, that's that's what he does. So to
have that week one against Tyreek killer Jalen Waddle, to
have it against you know, week two, Week three, Week
three against Justin Jefferson in Minnesota, Week four against DeVante Adams,
to be able to just put that guy there, this
(45:54):
is yours go to work a huge advantage. One more
for you.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Dalvin Cook is going to get released. He with the
Florida State. We got some knowles on this team sure
as we kind of wait for this Austin Eckler thing
to unfold, would Dalvin Cook be a name that you
would consider if things go in a different direction with Austin.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
What Look, Yeah, it'd be great to have him. I
just I feel like he's in the same boat as
Austin Eckler, and that is someone who wants money and
a lot of it. And the vikings are essentially saying
to Dalvin very similar things to the Chargers saying to Austin,
we love you, we appreciate you, You're an important part
of this team, but we can't do that. And word
(46:44):
is he he doesn't want you look at the numbers
that you've heard in it. It's like that just doesn't
line up. And for his agent, that's what people forget
is it's not just the player, it's the financial team
around the player. You can't have an agent. The agent
will refuse to do a low money deal because of
how it looks. For the agent, it's that they want
(47:06):
as much money as possible. So I'm assuming the Vikings
are saying, hey, we'll bring you back, but it's got
to be at this number, and you know that's going
to be a decent number. It's not going to be
a couple million bucks. It may not be fourteen million
dollars or twelve million dollars, but it could be eight
or nine million bucks, seven or eight million dollars, and
that's just not something that's in the cards for the Chargers.
(47:29):
I would guess with the money that they're going to
have to dole out to Justin Herbert and I'm still
waiting for him to do a little bargain shopping here
with some of the talent that's still out there. We've
talked about it got out there, Leonard, Floyd, Yannick and Gocway,
Bryce Callahan and Slot. You know, those are not those
are not development inhibitors, as Bill Parcells would call them.
(47:53):
Those Those are not vets that are taking reps away
from young players that you want to develop and are
probably better just inexperienced than the vets. Those are good
vets that can add to a team. And it'll be
interesting to see how long they're sitting out there waiting
for all that cash that that isn't gonna come. Now
there's post June first cuts when you can make those moves,
(48:14):
and once those happen and teams are able to get
some big money contracts off their books because they take
less of a cap hit after June first, then is
that that's that next wave. So that's sort of what
we're waiting for here, Chris, these next fourteen days to
see what those June June first cuts are. Who's going
to have some money to spend, and what these free
(48:35):
agents that are still out there are willing to settle
for yep.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Remember charges me a lot of these moves after the
draft last year with uh with more did Box and
Kyle van Noy. Yeah, Kyle's another name that's out there.
But I think you know when you guy like when
you draft a guy like Tully, I guess it's just
a matter of what Kyle's gonna want as a veteran
and how the money lines up, no doubt. Well, see
it's Mason seventeenth. Like you said, money in a couple
(49:02):
of weeks after June first, I think there'll be a
little bit more action around the league in terms of
player movement. But we appreciate Julielade coming on and joining us,
seeing our old friend, and well, we'll see you guys
next week for money. I'm Chris. This has been Chargers Weekly.
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