May 2, 2023 • 50 mins
Steven Haglund and Tyler Schoon of the Guilty as Charged podcast are bringing their insights and perspective to the Chargers podcast network, every Tuesday! In today’s episode Steven and Tyler break down the Bolts' 2023 Draft class, including first round selection wide receiver Quentin Johnston (0:00) and then the rest of the group by assigning superlatives to edge rusher Tuli Tuipulotu, linebacker Daiyan Henley, and more (16:30).
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hey, what is up? Everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to the Guilty of Charge podcast, part of the
Chargers podcast network.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Tyler, it still feels really weird to say that.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Can't be happier about, you know, our second episode being
the draft wrap up and excited to dive into the
Chargers selections here.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
But how are you today? Man? What's up?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I'm doing very well. It's nice to just you can
just feel the draft stuff just leave my brain and
that feels so good. As soon as the draft was over,
I just had this nice clear mind and it was
so nice. So I'm doing rat Stephen, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I'm doing good.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I got to like hang out on Sunday and like
not I have to watch film, you know. And like
we were just like sitting there watching some of the
basketball games and my wife was like.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Oh, you're not watching film?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Like are we gonna like go hang out somewhere, like
you want to go do something? And I'm like, no,
I just want to like kind of sit down and
watch something else besides football college tape. So, you know,
excited to dive into all of it. You know, We're
gonna do some summer film watching at some point in
terms of like NFL stuff. You know, we dove in
a little bit to Killan Moore's offense a few weeks
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ago on our show, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Excited to do that. So yeah, all these pieces kind
of fit together. So, like Tyler said.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
We are diving into this draft class we're gonna have
We're gonna approach this from a different kind of angle.
You know, everybody kind of does draft grades. We didn't
really want to do it that way. So we're gonna
have draft superlatives today, kind of six different categories to
break down hopefully some of all of the selections, if not,
you know, a couple of pieces.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Here and there.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
So we are going to talk first and foremost about
Quentin Johnson. He's the first arm pick, he's the big name.
So we'll all kind of break things down there, and uh, yeah,
I'm excited to dive things in, to dive into things
this afternoon. So as always, we are independent contract We
are not representatives from the Chargers organization, so the opinions
that we share on this podcast network do not always
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reflect the opinions of the actual organization. So we're still
fans just like everybody listening to this, and we just
happened to be podcasting about the team on the team's channel,
So Tyler, let's dive in here first and foremost, with
the pick of Quenton Johnson. We've had a few days
now to simmer on things. The dust has settled, We've
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went back and revisited some of his college tape. How
are you feeling about the selection of mister Quentin Johnson
with the twenty first pick by the Chargers last Thursday night.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, I'm feeling really really good about this pick. It's
a player that I wish we had talked about more.
But as we said on our live show, we went
in so many different directions that it was so obvious
that Quentin Johnson could have been the guy that that's
like we skipped over him somehow. We talked about who
it wouldn't be, or who would be later, but not
Quenton Johnson, not twenty one. But after looking at you
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know him and what he does, reviewing the numbers and whatnot,
it almost just seemed like so obvious and it makes
so much sense for the Chargers considering what they need,
what they weren't so good at last year. And I
want to just look at these images here sent to
us by one origin from Pro Football Focus. This is
where the Chargers were at last year, the last two
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seasons actually in terms of yards after the catch per
perception and forced mistackle rate. Now again this is the
NFL numbers here. So what we'll see from Quentin Johnston
is obviously in college football. But the Chargers, for lack
of better words, weren't the best at this. This is
not really the wide receiver room that they had. Their
skill sets don't really match with yards after the catch
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per reception and mistackles, miss tackles forced. But you look
at someone like Quinton Johnston and his college film and
the numbers that he provides where he is right now,
and I'll try to describe this for the audio audience,
but Quentin Johnson is by far and away from the
last class, the best guy in terms of yards after
the catch per reception and mistackle miss tackles forced rate.
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He's fantastic and even compared to some of the receivers
that a lot of Chargers fans wanted, some of the
receivers that we had discussed. If he does one thing
incredibly well, and there's no doubt about this, it's forcing
miss tackles and getting those yards after the catch, and
that's evident here in this graph as well. Looking at
them side by side, you have Quenton Johnston versus where
the charges were out last year. And again this is
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college versus NFL. I get that, But if you feel
like your team was not great after the catch and
was not forcing misstackles, then getting Quentin Johnson, who clearly
is great at them, is a wonderful addition to this team.
So just looking at that alone, I was so happy
with this selection because he provides something the Chargers don't have.
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And Kellen Moore is going to love using Quenton Johnston
and Justin Herbert's going to love using him. I mean,
I would love for Justin Herbert to be able to
just hand the football off basically via nice you know,
shallow crosser or whatever, and Quentin Johnson gets nine more
yards or forty more yards. You know, like there's so
much he can do that really wasn't there last year
That Herbert's kind of been they really had in a while,
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and Johnson's gonna be able to provide that. But more
than just the short game, right is the deep downfield stuff.
And again that's what Chargers fans have been craving. Really
the two things, Can we make things easier for Herbert
with a screen Rory shallow crosser, or can we push
it down the field. And Quentin Johnson with deep target
rate versus yards per perception is one of the best
of the last few classes in terms of pushing the
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ball downfield. So it's really hard to look at this
pick and say I dislike that pick. I really like
this pick because the Chargers knew what they needed. They
knew that they were missing something, some element or several
elements to their team, and they went, let's go get
the guy that fills those needs the best in this class.
So I really like this pick. Man, I don't know
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about you.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, you know, I think in terms of instant reaction,
it was kind of a surprise for us because, you know,
there wasn't a ton of like top twenty buzz surrounding
Quentin Johnston by the national media members, you know, and
really until late in the process, I think, leading up
to the combine, he was like the betting favorite to
actually be the first receiver taken. And then for whatever reason,
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there was this searge for Jackson, Smith and Jigba. There
was a search for Zay Flowers, for Jordan Addison. Even
guys like Peter Schreger like leading up to the draft
were saying, you know, like, oh, like Jackson Smith and Jigba,
Zay Flowers and Jordan Addison, those are the ones who
are kind of gonna be like the first receivers off
the board. And then there was really like a late
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surge in the week leading up to the draft for Quenton,
you know, moving up betting markets and he was even
the favorite to be selec to be selected by the
Chargers as of Wednesday on Draft King. So there was
just this kind of late surge that made me kind
of think like from a Chargers perspective, you know, maybe
they'll be a little bit more flexible. Maybe they'll take
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a pass rusher in the first round, it'll take a corner, maybe,
look take one of the tight ends, and then they'll
get one of the receivers in the second round.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
And that that was kind of like.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Our focus throughout the pre draft process was maybe a
Jonathan Mingo, maybe a Marvin Mams, maybe a Tyler Scott
in the second round, because the first round didn't really
have a receiver who fit that kind of type. And
then like we like we were just talking about you know,
Quentin Johnson checked all these boxes and it was probably
staring at the pick was probably staring us right in
the face, and we should have definitely.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Talked about it more often.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
So from a schematic fit, I really like this, this
addition to the room. I mean, you shared those numbers
and we greatly appreciate Argent for being able to you know,
stack those up together and talk about them. And I
think that that speaks to how far the draft in
general has come, because, like I mean, five years ago,
like we were not we were not talking about yards
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after cast per reception and missed force tackle rate and
stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
And so just the ability that Quenton.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Has to take these short passes or take the long
passes and take them to the house. Like I think
for me, when you look at the number is one
of the things that really stands out is that when
he was a freshman at TCU, his average death of
target was over eighteen yards and he still was averaging
eight yards after the catch per reception. And then this
past year at TCU, his average death of target was
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down to twelve and he was still averaging eight yards
and eight point nine yards after the catch, So that
tells you that he can be a yards after the
catch threat regardless of where you are throwing him the football.
And that's an elite trait. And when you're picking outside
of the top fifteen, like, you're trying to identify elite traits.
And Quentin Johnson obviously has the athleticism in terms of
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his vertical jump, in terms of his broad jump, in
terms of his GPS tracking data from a speed profile perspective,
and then he has all of the data points that
you mentioned too, so that part of the box certainly
is checked off with Quinton and Johnson. Then you go
back and watch some of his film and you can
just picture, right Justin Herbert throwing a deep post to
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Quenton Johnson, and maybe you have Mike willie Is running
a drag underneath, and maybe you have Josh Palmer on
the other side running a deep out or something like that,
and you can see it vice versa, right, like, how
many times have we seen Mike Williams run a deep
over route and Justin Herbert just launches that thing to
Mike Williams, And now you can have Quinton Johnson being
your deep threat to take attention away from Mike Williams
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as well. So for those who are maybe kind of
concerned that maybe the Chargers pick the wrong receiver, I
think you should revisit what you your opinion was of
Quentin Johnson because I think he can be a do
it all wide receiver. I think in the short term,
and we can certainly talk about his fit at some
point today with the superlatives, but in the short term,
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you know, you don't have to make him be your
number one ride receiver. He doesn't even have to be
your number two. He can be you know, an emphasis
on the yards after the catch opportunities, emphasis on the
short routes, and you know, occasional deep shots, and you
can ease him into things and then next year you
see what you have in terms of a potential number
one wide receiver. So I love his short term fit,
I love his long term output. We talked about leading
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into the draft. This is the highest ceiling of any
of these wide receivers because of his athletic profile and
because he can do so many different roles for you
to play so many different roles, you know, a lot
of these receivers in this class are smaller shorter guys
who are probably best working from the slot. Quenton can
go out and be an X, he can go be
a Z, he can go be a slot. And also, man,
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I really love watching him block on tape. Dude's a
fantastic blocker too, And so I just I think he
checks so many different boxes. And like you said, I'm
annoyed at myself for not like talking about him more
leading up to the draft.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, there's so much focus I think sometimes on you know,
who your favorite player was, or what the players selected
can't do. You could argue that what Quentin cont Johnston
quote unquote like can't do with this moment, maybe Sharper Routes,
maybe you know, working on contested catches, I'll give you
Keenan Allen and MIKEL Williams, and for at least the
next year, you could learn from those guys. And you
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talk about those three wide receiver sets. The Cowboys under
Kellen Moore were in those three wide receiver sets about
seventy percent of the time. I think that was like
second or third in the NFL over that span. And
in those three wide receiver sets, the Cowboys were third
in EPA per play and third in passing success rate.
So they're really really good at working with these three
wide receivers. Granted, you know, different receivers, different team. I
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get that, but Kellen Moore wants to do that. And
now you have Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Quinton Johnston, three
good receivers with diverse skill sets who can do so
many different things. Watch Out Man and the Cowboys were
even I think first in EPA per play on rushing
downs out of three wide receiver sets. Partially, but guys,
I think of the way the receivers can block. And
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you just mentioned Quenton Johnson how good he is as
a blocker. At minimum, he's at least big enough to
execute those blocks. But you see on film that he's
really good at those two. So sky's limit for this offense. Honestly,
I really do like this election more and more, more
and more every day.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, I mean you mentioned learning from another proming. How
great is it to learn from Keenan Allen, you know,
as a run blocker two? And yes, you know, I
think part of the reason why we focus so much
on the tight ends is what Kellen Moore was able
to do in Dallas from twelve personnel, and Brett Coleman
did a great job in his first video on the channel,
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you know, breaking that down. But then today, like you
listen to Kellen Moore and his press conference and he
was saying like, yeah, like that's what we did the
last few years, because that's what was working for us.
You go back and watch maybe the last year of
Jason Garrett's tenure, and it's Ceedee Lamb, it's Amari Cooper,
it's Michael Gallup, and it was just like, we're gonna
go eleven personnel and we're just gonna like slice and
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dice you, and we're gonna do yards after the catch,
deep shots. And that's a very similar skill set to
what the Chargers have with this trio. And that's before
you even get to a guy like Josh Palmer. So
you know, you can get out here, have Keen Allen
the slot, Mike Williams as your ex, Quenton Johnson as
your Z. You know, maybe you flex Gerald Heibert out
to the slot, you flex Austin Eckler to the slot.
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There's a ton of possibilities with this offense that Kellen
Moore is going to be able to really you know,
create mismatches on a weekly basis, with this kind of
skill set that the Chargers needed, Like you said, this,
this was a guy that they needed to add, and
maybe we kind of focus on round two for that
kind of skill set, but I mean, obviously getting it
in round one works more than okay as well.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, I mean we discussed Jonathan Mingo for some of
the same reasons. Right when I we'd mock drafted him,
I said, hey, you know who can take a screen
to the house, who can take a shallow croster, who can
develop and push the ball down the field? That was
Quentin Johnston. We just called them Jonathan Mingo are bad.
We messed up by our round. We were close having
Josh Palmer as your wide Z before someone who had
one hundred and what five yards and two touchdowns against
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the Chiefs, Like, that's your wide rez be four and
then you add of course we'll talk about Darius Davis.
You have Jail and Guiden. What a room, What a
fantastic room. The big question though, is who takes the Jets.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Suitep Oh yeah, man, that's gonna be a lot of
fun though, because they now they have two guys. Last
year they only had one with DeAndre Carter. Now they
can do with Quenton and Darius Davis. Obviously we'll get
to him in a second, I'm sure. So you know,
I would occourage, like like I said, I would encourage
everybody that's that's feeling still a little bit negative about
the pick to think beyond of like what Quenton is
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right now and realize that you're not asking him to
be your wide receiver one. And you know, maybe teams
who are drafting a guy like a say Flowers, or
drafting a guy like Jordan Andison, you're gonna rely on
them as you're one or your two at times, and
Quentin Johnson is not going to be forced into that box.
So play to his strengths right now, and again you're
betting on the ceiling here and maybe next year when
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you have to make a decision on Keenan Allen or
Mike Williams, Quentin can step into a bigger role and
then just sky's the limit.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
And also he gets.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Played with Justin Herbert, man like Justin Herbert is a
huge part of this too, So you know Justin Herbert
pairing him with a guy like Quenton Johnson who can
average almost a whole first down after the catch, whether
that's a screen or a post down the field fifty
yards like, sign me up. I think this is gonna
be a really exciting duo for the next five six years,
depending on how obviously the contract situations pan out. But
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I like you, the more you think about it, the
more you like this pick with Quentin Johnston.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, I would agree. I don't think if we're going
to talk about projections, at least in year one, I
don't think he's going to have as many yards as say,
maybe he's a Flowers or some of these guys that
are going to be relied on a lot more. Yeah, right,
These guys don't have a keen and out of Mike Williams,
Like there's two twenty million dollar wide receivers on this
roster already. So I wouldn't go into this season thinking, oh, cool,
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offensive rookie of the year. That's probably Bejehn's the favorite,
I'm sure at this point.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
But and there were few three first round quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah, oh yeah, but whatever, what's a quarterback? I don't
watch them anymore. I just watched Justin yeah him. But
I think Quentin Johnston maybe this year not going to
see the full extent of it in terms of raw numbers,
but you're going to see that per play basis increase.
Like look at where the Chargers were last year EPA
pri play or red zone or explosive play rate, Like
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they were not worst in the league in those categories.
And that's what you have. Justin Herbert. You still had
at moments Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, but Quentin Johnson, even
if the rod numbers aren't there, are going to help
push this offense closer to that top five like they
were more in twenty twenty one, although a different flavor
and style of offense.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Absolutely, And you talking about twenty twenty one, like you
have arguably the deepest stable of wide receivers that Justin
Herbert has ever had, right, I mean Josh Palmer was
a guy who almost had a thousand yards last year.
I think it was like eight hundred and ninety. And
then you have Jalen Guyton coming back. See about the
health there, and then Darius Davis fill in that wide
receiver six roll wide receiver five. You know, to be
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determined in terms of camp and stuff like that, but
this is a deep group, man, So I'm excited to
see how it all pans out. All right, let's get
to some of our superlatives here. We have six of them,
and I'm excited to see which selections are fitting each category. Obviously,
kind of just running through it, Chargers going Quentin Johnson
the first round, tu Ley twet below too. In the
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second round, the edge rusher from USC mister Dayon Henley,
who's already becoming a fan favorite on social media. Linebacker
from Washington State in the third round. In the fourth round,
that's where they Chargers took Darius Davis to fill their
returner role and give them some speed, some legit four
to three six speed. Then in the fifth round they
get mister Jordan McFadden, big guy offensive lineman from Clemson.
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Sixth round getting Matt or excuse me, I'm toting on
his first round coming out, Scott Mattlock. I almost said,
Matt Mattlock. That's not right, Scott Mattlock. Excuse me, mister
Mattlock from Boise State. And then rounding out the class
with Max Duggan in the seventh round. So, Tyler, let's
hit our favorite value pick from this class. Who would
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your choice be? In terms of the value the charters got.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, I'm going to go with Matt Murdoch. Now I'm
getting Scott Matt lock, the defensive tackle from Boise State.
I almost went day on Henley because by definition of
the val you're looking at the consensus board versus where
they got him, and Henley really was the best value.
But then I watched Scott Matt Locke and I just
feel he's the best value selection because you've got a
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player that's above seventy fifth percentile in pass rush win
rate and productivity. He could win with power, he can
win with a rip or a swipe. He can play
all over the line. He's got an elite RAS to
pair with an elite motor. And I'm watching it. I'm
going there's no way this was a sixth round pick, Like,
are you kidding me? I would have I don't know
where I would have graded him, but it wouldn't have
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been a sixth round grade, that's for sure. This guy's
a ton of fun to watch, and Staley and his
press conference after the draft talked about, you know, he's
kind of like a Jaw Taylor where they brought him
in and he just wowed the defensive coaching staff, and
I totally get it. This guy on film is everything
you want for the Chargers, and especially as a sixth
round pick, like so much upside to him. You can
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develop him. He's got so many things he can do
right now. But in the upside, like the ceiling is there,
and he's got such a high motor. There was a
play against Air Force where he quarterback keeps the ball
and he's moving down the line to go get that quarterback.
Quarterback goes the other direction. He runs another forty yards
the other way to tackle a quarterback. And that's all
over the film for him. He's like, you want power,
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you want a rip, you want whatever. Like there's so
much he can do, and that's a sixth round pick.
I'm feeling like so good about him overall. Do I
think other players are quote unquote better players? Sure, like
other draft picks Quentin Johnson at twenty one, like Quentin
Johnson was the better, grated, better pick. But man, in
terms of my favorite pick, I think it's him. And
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apparently he's coming to take souls.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Anytime you hear a player talk about that, he's got
a lot of confidence.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Man.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
And two years ago, Boise State came here to Fresno,
and my wife and I and her family all went
and watched the game. And the loudest trash tacker on
the field man was this big number ninety nine on
Boise State. And I was like, man, who is this guy?
He's just talking all over the place. And Fresle State
had an elite offense that year. You know, that was
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the year when Jay Cayner was was most healthy, Jalen Cropper,
you know, Nico Rimikio, all these guys. That was the
year that fresent State had beaten UCLA and Boise State
was not exactly like a great They didn't have a
great season that year, but you would have thought that
this guy was the best player on the field. We're
on the best team in the Mountain West, best team
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on the West Coast. With how much much he was talking,
and he backed it up. Man, he was living in
the backfield that day. I want to say he had
two tackles for loss. He had a sack on mister
j Cayner. And that really stuck out to me when
I was like, okay, like I hear this guy talking about, oh,
I'm gonna come for his souls And then Branda City
calls him a war daddy, and it just like in
terms of six round picks, man like, I think that
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just is like, that's what you do with a six
round You take a shot on a guy who just
has this kind of upside athletically as well as the
un the intangibles here with his leadership, I want to
say it was a captain of Boise State two and
just his his ferocious mentality I think is gonna be
a lot of fun to watch. So, uh, you mentioned
Daon Henley. I'm gonna go with Dayon Henley here myself.
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In terms of best value, in terms of the consensus board,
this was the closest value pick of Tom Telesco's tenure.
In the third round, Keenan Allen was their consensus bars
were not around for Keenan Allen when he was drafted.
To clarify there, So Dayon Henley, I think from a
fit perspective, I really love the possibilities that you can
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have with Dayon Henley as your linebacker three. Maybe he
kind of pushes for linebacker two. We'll see, but I
think your initial role for Dayon Henley is as a
third down weapon and you're gonna use him in coverage.
You're gonna use him as a blitzer because I do think,
like from a physicality standpoint, like it's gonna take him
a little bit to get used to the NFL level.
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But again, the Chargers don't have to rush him out there,
so I think I think my favorite thing about mister
Dayan Henley is his ability.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
In pass coverage.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Like you watch him and Washington State would use him
in the slot, they would use him to carry over routes,
they would use him as a deep hook in terms
of like a Tampa two coverage. So it's very easy
for me to see like the way that the Chargers
used Drew Tranquil last year in pass coverage and put
day On Henley in that kind of role, and I
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think you can handle that. I think you can match
up with tight ends. I think he can carry over routes.
I think he can play, you know, middle hook and
be able to spy quarterbacks like I think his his
instincts in pass coverage are so so good, and then
you're able to use him as a pass as a
as a blitzer as well. So getting that kind of
player in the third round. He was my fourth highest
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graded linebacker. Really it was probably like my favorite linebacker watch.
This linebacker Ross was not a lot of fun to
watch in general.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
But day On was.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
And you know, day On I think brings you a
lot of cool attributes to look at as well as
the potential fit here behind Eric KENDRICKX and Kenneth Murray
and the balance of that linebacker group. I think you
can see a lot of good things coming with that
with that unit.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yeah, you talk about the coverage. Last year, Murray and
Tranquil blitzed one hundred and seventeen times for twenty nine
pressures and six sacks. They were surprisingly fourth and fifth
in past rush win rate out of sixty two linebackers.
Really good duo in that regard, Henley kind of get
the same thing, like it's exactly what the Chargers want
to work with, at least initially with him obviously, want
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a complete three down linebacker that at minimum he could rush.
He rushed sixty seven times in college football last year
for eighteen pressures in five sacks, seventh best and pass
rush productivity out of eighty one linebackers. So you know,
a great scheme fit there. I think exactly what they
want to do and a bit of a steal to
go with it.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, absolutely, all right, Tyler, Let's move on to our
next superlative here, which is going to be the most
immediate impact?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Who would be your choice for that category.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I'm kind of hoping because he's the twenty first selection,
but I'm going with Quentin Johnson. I think that sure,
there's if he were a receiver that will had a
similar skill set as the other two guys and was
a bit redundant, then maybe I'd say this is gonna
take a bit. He's going to develop. But we just
talked about what he can do after the catch and
misstackles forced now how he can push the ball deep
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and the Cowboys success and three wide receiver sets so
to me, and I think generally with the twenty first pick,
your first round pick, you're going to see the most
snaps anyway. But I do think Quentin Johnson is going
to have the most immediate impact. Again, maybe not the
raw numbers, He's not going to have fifteen hundred yards
if everybody stays healthy, but in terms of like per play,
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red zone, yeah, you name it, Like he's going to
have that immediate impact that I think is greater than
the other guys that they drafted.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, and we've seen the Charges be patient with a
lot of their draft picks. They're not going to force
these players to play if they're not ready, right, So, Quentin, like,
I think he's the most pro ready of these options here,
but I'm going to actual going to go with two
below two for this one. I think you and I
focus so much on the edge rusher as a possibility
at twenty one because Edge three with this Brandon Stay
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defense is a borderline starter. And we've seen whether it
be Kyler Factroll, whether it be Kyle Vanoy and Chris
Rump and even Kenneth Murray getting some run at edge rusher,
right like, that player is gonna play a ton And
we see in instances where Joey Bolso likes to kick inside,
Khalumac likes to kick inside, you know, and I think
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you can it's easy to see too. Lee Twoy below
to playing a ton of snaps right away, and I
think he brings a skill set similar to Quentin that
is very needed along the defensive line. I think the
Chargers needed to get stronger at the point of attack.
They needed to get more violent, more powerful and truly
gives you that. I think his greatest attribute as a
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pass rusher as a run defender.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Are his violent hands.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
You know, heavy hands is a phrase that you hear
a lot with him, and I think you can see
that all over ten. And I think he's a unique
skill set because you watch a game like against Stanford
and he's lining up as a nose, he's lined up
as a two tech, a three tech, a four tech.
And then you watch him against Washington State where a
game he had four sacks. He's straight up standing up
as an outside linebacker from a two point stance and
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he gives you four four sacks like he was able
to fill so many different roles like for USC. And
you watch the game against UCLA too, and he's rushing
as a stand up inside linebacker like he did so
many different roles. And usually a guy like that in
college isn't producing a ton because it's hard to get
into a rhythm. It's hard to figure out like, okay,
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do I do this well? Like what kind of past
rush arsal do I really have? When I'm not like
in that consistent mode as somebody who is just like
straight up lining up against the tackle and just going.
And you know, he was able to produce at anything
at any of those different roles.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
So I love his ability to set the edge. I
love his ability to.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Stack and shed at the point of attack and be
able to collapse the pocket is something that I think
is huge for him too, and use his power, use
his leverage to get under the pads of blockers.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I think was a skill set that was really needed
in this edge rusher group.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
So gives them a lot of flexibility up front, gives
them a third edge rusher that can really, you know,
push things and collapse pockets and make plays, just be disruptive.
And you know, this was a guy who had thirteen
and a half sacks as a nineteen year old at
USC and it was the most sacks of any USC
defensive player since like two thousand and three. And so
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I just think that he gives you a lot of upside.
He's only twenty years old still, but I love his
immediate impact on this team. It just gives him so
much flexibility on third down, so you can roll out Morgan,
fox him, Joey Khalil and just create mismatches, right, you know,
maybe you're relying him and Morgan against the guards. Maybe
it's Joey and Khalil against the guards. Maybe you stand
someone up like they different time to time. So I
(27:58):
think Truley just gives them so many more possibilities as
a chess piece, and you know, like really elevates the
floor of this pass rush.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I was so bummed that I did not watch him.
Of one hundred and twenty five, one hundred and thirty
players watched and I somehow missed him. But boy, just
watching him with the context of knowing he's on the
chargers and what he provides, it's like, oh, yeah, that's perfect.
How did I not watch him? How did I not
prioritize him? It was so impressive to see him be
productive in so many different ways. Sometimes you watch guys
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and he's like, wow, they can do that, they can
do that, they line up here, they line up here,
but they're not really good at one of those things.
Like doing a lot of things doesn't mean you're always
good at them, but truly, and I think there are
things he's better at, like Tom Telusco does believe he's
more of an edge rusher, which he will be. But
I was just surprised to see how good. He was
at so many different things, so the flexibility of courses there.
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We wanted an edge rusher in this class to be
able to kick Joybosa inside or do whatever, because the
mispatchers are so important for in Stily in this defense,
and Tuley just gives the opportunity to do so many
different things. So I'm really excited for this pick. I'm
really excited for Tulee. He's going to be a lot
of fun. Yeah, I still can't believe he's twenty. Man
like this is I know, like you just don't see
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this kind.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Of production from a nineteen year old, you know, at
a at a school like USC. So you know, this
was an edge rusher group where there were a lot
of older players. You know, Keon White was a twenty
four year old prospect. You know, Will McDonald was older,
he was a five year senior. And so for Tuley
to have this kind of production, like I think the
thing with him, like he didn't test right, So there
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just wasn't a ton of buzz around him because he
didn't test, you know, and maybe that's an issue for
some teams. Maybe teams like to have that kind of
you know, full picture when when grading a prospect, and
you know, I think fans and draft twitter are the
same way, so that could be an argument for him
providing a lot of value in terms of draft status
as well. So excited to see that one. All right
(29:59):
to move on here too. The best scheme fit this
could be a lot of different answers, So I'm curious
to see where you ultimately end up here. Who's your
favorite scheme fit with from this draft class.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Well, I won't have much more to add because it's
too late to hippolow too. He in terms of fit,
we just talked about it, right, Like everything they want
to do on defense is right there. You need him
or the other guys to put their hand in the dirt.
He'll do that. Rush over the a gap, He'll do that,
you know, stand up edge rusher, He'll do that. Like
the flexibility of what this team can do on defense
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changes dramatically because of him. And you talked about the
power element and the violent hands, the active hands. They're there.
And again he's twenty years old. Joey Bosa. I was
listening to him on the Drew Tranquil podcast and he
was saying that he didn't really see the version of
himself that he really wanted until he was his fourth
year in the league or after four years in the league.
(30:52):
Some of these guys, you know, the edge rushers that
you mentioned, are twenty four. Now imagine having to wait
four years for him to get to, you know, twenty
eight years old, twenty seven to twenty nine, whatever it
is to be the best version of himself. Tully's not
turning twenty one until September, Ryan until about week one
of the season, and so just to have him in
this rotation kind of like Quinton Johnson, you had Keenan
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Allen and Mike Williams. Well, here's edge Rushard Royalty to
learn from with Khalil Mack and Joey Bosa. So a
young player who's already very talented, you could do so
many things, who has a huge ceiling that he can hit,
learning from some of the best and also working with
Gift Smith and Jay Rodgers, I think to an extent amazing.
I love it for this game.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I was mostly curious if you're going to choose Darius
Davis on special teams because we were big Ryan Fickin
fans on this show. I mean, how can you not
be after the success that he had in his first
year as a coach as special teams coordinator, So I'm
super excited to see what he's able to do with
a guy like Darius Davis with four to three six speed,
you know, five career punt return touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Like that's gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
My selection here is gonna be Jordan mcfannon, the offensive
tackle from mc clemson, again, somebody we didn't grade the
into your offensive line class. Was so much fun and
so I just there wasn't a ton of buzz about Jordan.
He was a Shrine Bowl guy, not a Senior Bowl guy,
not a young declary. So I'm sure that's part of it.
But diving into his tape over the weekend and kind
(32:19):
of reflecting back on how Kellen Moore likes to use
his into your offensive lineman as well as the tackles too,
to create rushing lanes at the second level in particular,
was a ton of fun to watch him work. And
you know, the Chargers have compiled a lot of great
second level blocking offensive lineman. Obviously it starts with Corey Lindsey.
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You can talk about Zion Johnson, you can talk about
Rashaun slater Trey Pipkins as well, and Jordan mcfahnen is
the next in the line here. Like, I love watching
him get to the second level, whether that's you know,
pulling out to pulling out on a screen, whether that's
working a comma block and getting to a linebacker at
the second level, whether that's doing a guard count GT
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counter pulling across the formation. Jordan mcfannon is a violent, nasty,
athletic freak of an offensive lineman and I cannot wait
to see what kind of possibilities this offense draws up
for him, And I think there's some work that needs
to be had in the passing game. I definitely think
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he's more of a run blocker than a pass protector.
But shifting him potentially to guard I think elevate or
alleviates a lot of the concerns that I have as
a pass protector. But the way that he's able to
fit into this group of interier offensive linement specifically and
just be able to use any of the four I mean,
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Jamari is not necessarily a great second level blocker, but
you know, he's just like so strong at the point
of attack. You know, if Jordan mcfannon has to come in.
I think you can do a lot of similar things
that you do is ye On and Corey Linsley in
terms of getting them to the second level, and so
schematic wise.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
The fit of Jordan McFadden in the fifth round being
able to.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Pare him in this kind of rushing scheme where they're
gonna get these offensive linemen on the move, I'm a
big fan of that.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Yeah, just watching all of these guys on day three, Davis,
we already knew about. But watching someone like like Matt Locke,
like McFadden, You're like, how did I not think of
these guys? How do I find these guys earlier? Why
wasn't there more buzz for them? And maybe just is
the tackle to guard convert sort of thing where you
know when Jamori Sawer, yes, I know there was a
sort of pre draft injury, but even with that, he
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shouldn't have fallen into the sixth round and someone like
McFadden perfect player, no, but watching what he can do,
it's such a surprise that he was there in the
fifth ront because he's so good at so many things
and really does fit the scheme better. I think Jamori
Sawier right away is a better guard. I don't think
there's any question about that. Jamari Sawer in college at
tackle was a much better tackle I think than McFadden overall.
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I mean, you see that against Aidan Hudginson and David
Ojabo in that year. With that set in terms of
scheme and how they want to get their guys on
the move, McFadden is perfect for them. You showed a
screenshot of him and the rest of his offensive line
and who fires off the ball first. He's like onto
his second step before some of the other games have moved.
So he's a ton of fun. Again. I think I
(35:14):
said this on social media recently, but pick to pick,
beginning to end. This is my favorite draft class of
Tom Telsco's in quite some time, at least since we've
been on the pod, because every player just seems to
fit the scheme so well, and they're good players, really
really good job well done.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah, absolutely, And you know McFadden also another alumni of
offensive line masterminds with Duke manny Weather, so continue to
pull from that pipeline. I'm a big fan of that
process in general, so very curious to see what kind
of if an injury does happen in offensive tackle. Obviously,
we're hoping nothing happens knock on wood. Hopefully Slater and
Pipkins play all seventeen games, eighteen games, nineteen, whatever it takes.
(35:56):
But you know, if an injury does happen, I'm curious
to see if Mari is that guy to kick out
or mcfannon just comes in at tackle, you know, knowing
he played both left tackle and right tackle in college,
or if that's Foster surreup.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
At backup swing tackle.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
So it just seems like the Chargers have really valued
that flexibility from these college offensive line. Mean, Brendon Heimus
is another guy here who played left tackle at Erasca,
played it well. He's played mostly guard and some center
for the Chargers. So it just seems that they're really
valuing these guys who have played a lot of different spots.
(36:32):
Maybe they were a tackle and then like just break
in case of emergency, you know, breaking glass, you can
kick them back out to where they played in college
and just have that kind of familiarity.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
And obviously that's what happened with you Mari last year.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah, we'll see what they do with the depth. I
think that's something we'll talk about maybe in a bit,
but as far as flexibility along that interior, and then again,
break class, break glass. In case of emergency players, you're
feeling good, Like the worst case scenario, you put guys
who have experienced at tackle, left right, guard, left right, whatever.
You can play them out there if obsolutely needed during
a game, and you know, of course, maybe there's a
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drop off in play, like if a Shaun Slatter gets hurt,
there's a drop off in play. Sorry, Like, regardless of
who you are, not many guys were better than Mishaun Slater,
maybe two or three in the entire NFL. But you
won't have to sacrifice your scheme, Like maybe the play
will decrease, but the scheme won't be sacrificed because of
someone like McFadden. So yeah, love the pick for sure.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah, all right, let's move on here to biggest surprise,
maybe a draft pick that may made you stand up
out of your chair and go ooh, I didn't necessarily
think about this player here, or maybe the scheme fit.
What's your selection here, Tyler?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
I could have picked most of them. And again we
didn't talk about Quinton Johnson as much as we did,
and I didn't watch Tulie two whip below too, So
everyone was kind of a surprise to me, but I
think it really was Darius Davis from TCU. I definitely
wanted to talk about him today regardless, I would have
made up a category for him. But it's not a
surprise that they went with another receiver or another returner.
(38:00):
But I didn't think they would add another one so
early after taking Johnston at twenty one, and Telusco has
never taken two receivers in the first four rounds before,
and he's never added someone with this physical profile like
Tevin Reese was close about the same weight, but he
was taller. Yeah, but don't tell Darius Davis he's small man,
because like he can squat five point fifty at a
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buck sixty five as one as Feldman's freaks. The guy's legit.
I can't wait to see this, this matchup between Eckler
and Davis, for you know, the pound for pounds, strongest
guy in the weight room. So I didn't think they'd
take a returner this early. I didn't think they would
take someone that's very different than what they're used to
on offense at receiver, but they added one of the
(38:41):
best returners in college football. So you know, I can't
be disappointed there.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, I think biggest surprise definitely fits. But also I
think you could frame this in like a future training camp,
like who's going to be the biggest surprise pickm hmm,
because I think he's being framed as a returner only
right now. But I think he has legit receiver tape too,
man Like. I know that he's smaller and stuff like that,
but there are some times where he really routes up
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these dbs, Like I shared a clip on Twitter against
the West Virginia game and he turned the corner around twice,
like both at the point of his release as well
as at the top of the route too. So there's
some elusiveness here that I think is being underrated. He's
not just like a straight line speed guy. Although he
runs a four to three six he's very very fast.
(39:28):
But I think you could it's pretty easy for me
to see him slotting into that kind of role that
DeAndre Carter had on an offense where it's you know,
heavy on the posts, heavy on the on the go balls.
Let's give him some crossers every once in a while.
Let's see what he can do after the catch. Let's
hand on the ball as a jet sweep guy, Let's
throw him some screens every once in a while. I mean,
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the yards after catch ability between these two players is
really going to help the Chargers give them some easy
layups that they didn't really have last year. So you know,
I wouldn't be surprised if Darius Davis pushed for like
legit snaps at receiver. Man, I really wouldn't like whether
that's as a wide receiver for I think he's probably
a bit much, But like, I don't think he's just
(40:10):
coming in to be a returner. I think there's a
lot of upside here to be had as well in
terms of receiving ability.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Yeah, Kellen Moore watched Cavante Turpin do it last year
as a returner as a smaller guy from TCU. He
had a wopping six receiving yards. So I'm hoping for
a bit more of that more than that for Davis
this year, and I think he can provide that and
Brandon Staley DoD come out and say he gives this
team that fifth wide receiver element. So you know, I
(40:36):
do think he has to compete with Jill and Guiden
officially for that lot, but Guidton is currently not healthy.
He's getting there, of course, he's not one hundred percent though,
So I think they have some plans for him, and
I don't think it's you know, ten touches a game,
but I think just every now and then you keep
him active. Of course, he'll be the returner as is,
and you can just do a couple of different things
(40:57):
with them. You just sprinkle that on film because every
once in a while you want to be able to
show that look or just use that player for something
that the defense wasn't expecting. So do I think he
has twenty touches this year? Maybe not, But I think
there's going to be, you know, every other game at
least one meaningful snap where there's a target or a
handoff where he does something special. Maybe not every down,
(41:19):
of course. Like I do think he's wide receiver five
at max, but it's going to be an important role,
even in a very small role.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yeah, I think just having that confidence of him as
your wide receiver five, like that's huge. I mean, in
twenty twenty one, the Charges really only had four because
Andre Roberts was really not much of a threat as
a receiver. He was a great returner and had some
great moments that year and this past season, you know,
whether there was just always an injury, right And I
think having Darius Davis as your wide receiver five is
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going to elevate the floor of that unit for sure.
All Right, last one here, Tyler. There's been a lot
of positivity on this show, rightfully so. But biggest concern
post draft, whether that is a unit or a pick
that they didn't make, or you know, a certain spot
on the depth chart.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
What's kind of your concern at.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
This point after the drafty a combination of all those things.
And it's backup offensive tackle. Now, there are options there.
They might decide to Frankenstein's Monster this thing and say, okay,
we can get you know, high miss in this situation.
Maybe it's Serah, maybe it's McFadden. You know, maybe Salier
kicks out or whatever. And there is a world where
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they could do that, and they might do that. But
right now, we just came off a season where when
Pipkins went down and let's say if Jamari Sallier was
not able to kick out the tackle, we saw a
lot of struggles, right There's a lot of struggles with
that blocking unit when Pipkins in particular went down, and
he went down several times, toughed it out right amazingly
(42:50):
so and earned his contract again. Hope these guys all
stay healthy. But Rashaun Slater didn't finish the season, was
out by week three. Trey Pipkins was in out of
the line up I think three or four times with
a pretty significant injury last year, And right now there's
no true backup swing depth tackle. Maybe they feel that way,
but right now, just as me looking at the roster,
(43:13):
I'm worried about that spot in particular more than anything else.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
I think ideally you'd want to have a reliable veteran
back there, so like I think Will Clapp could fill
fill in at either guard spot if they needed him
to in place obviously backup center like he did last year.
Just having somebody who could play reliable snaps I think
would be a huge for the met offensive tackle. For me,
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it has to be the tight end room. And I
think this is not necessarily about Gerald Everett, Ordonald Parram
or Trey McKitty as players, but just like the way
that it functions together is a concern for me. And
this was the deepest tight end class we've probably ever seen.
And you could go legitimately like fifteen deep at this
position in this draft and you could find a legitimate,
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you know, potential playmaker down the road.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
And the Charters did the way that the board fell.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
They didn't feel comfortable taking the tight end and clearly
they were not going to force that option. And I
totally understand why because you have these guys who have
played a lot for you, but you know, the Chargers
might do wide receiver heavy looks, but one of the
biggest problems of the offense last year was just the
tight end functionality was not where it needed to be.
(44:28):
I think Gerald Everett is an above average receiving threat.
I think he does a lot of great things as
the yards after catch player. I mean, he was arguably
the best offensive player on the field in the playoff
game against Jacksonville, and you can do a lot of
fun things with him. We know what Donald Parham can
do whenever he's healthy, but that's a big if at
this point, you know, coming off of the concussion, coming
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off to the back to back hamstring injuries, we just
don't know if he can stay on the field, and
Trey McKitty has been pretty up and down as a blocker,
hasn't necessarily that he can handle a lot as a
wide receiver, and so like we all kind of pegged
the tight end as a spot that they really needed,
especially to run this Kellen Moore offense, and they haven't
(45:10):
addressed that. So I think if everybody is performing well,
like you feel really good about the tight end unit, right,
But I just think they they are missing that fourth
piece to challenge one of the three, you know, whether
that was another receiver to challenge Everett, whether that was
another blocker to challenge Parmam mckittie. They just I felt
like they needed to add another body into the unit,
(45:31):
and you know, they did it, And so I can
understand why. I can understand why you roll with the
same three from last year. I'm a big fan of
the players individually, but I think, just like I think,
the unit is just missing an element of functionality that
I would have liked to see them add to in
this draft.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
And I think they are going to address that at
some point. I'm not saying they're going to get someone
to start over Gerald ever, to this point, I don't
think that's happening. But I do think they're going to
add a body there. I think Brendan Steely said, I mean,
he came out and said, you can't always get what
you want, you know what you need in the draft.
And I think, especially because that was in response to
a question about tight End, I think you just know
(46:09):
that maybe they feel like they miss an opportunity. There
weren't many opportunities, like you said, because the way the
board fell kind of like in some of our simulations,
it's just right before the Chargers picked that guys they
wanted and that round were gone. So you know, when
you preferred them to reach in round three for someone
reaching round four for someone not really and again with
the players they selected, I'm very happy, so I understand
(46:30):
why they didn't. But I do think they're going to add,
and I think they at least should add so they
have a nice rotating stable because next year, you know,
who knows, if Gerald Everet's gone, what is your receiving option.
I don't know if they have a solid pure receiving
option out there for them, but maybe that's something they
address in the draft next year.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yeah, And that's that's the thing too, is that it's
a free agent after the season. I mean Donald Parham
was he's a one year deal, right or see two
year deal.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Maybe he's a two year deal, but I think most
of these two year deals are quote unquote two year deals,
you know.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah, yeah, So it just like the way that the
board felt it was not very friendly, tight and friendly
for the Charger. For sure, we felt like heading into
day two that it was gonna be tight and friendly,
and then Laporta, Mayor, and Musgrave all went like significantly
earlier than the Chargers were going to pick. There were
some medical concerns about Darneld Washington, and then you know,
the Chargers take they take tu Lee right at fifty four,
(47:26):
and then Luke Schoonmaker goes right off the board right
after that, which I felt like was a bit rich.
I felt like him taking him at fifty six or
fifty four would have not been good value. So again
I understand the Chargers played the board the right way.
I just I wish they would have been able to
add a tight end at some point, both for the
short term and the long term. So maybe they addressed
that with one of with a potential veteran free agent.
(47:48):
We'll see, the roster is at eighty eight players right now,
so they only have two open spots, and how they
go about addressing some of their spots their open spots
is gonna be interesting over the next couple of Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
And as we saw last year, within about two weeks
of the draft, they signed three different free agents who
I didn't know were available or I didn't know the
Chargers could even do that, and they did. So you know,
I'll give it some time. Brand and Staley said after
the draft there's a window where they could add guys,
and then in training can there's a window where they
can add guys if they don't feel like they have
the guys that they need. So, whether it's now, whether
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it's in a few months, I think they'll add someone,
whether it is tackle or whether it is tight end.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Right, And like I said, overall, I really appreciated their
approach in this draft, just adding good football players fortify
the depth of this team overall, and then we can
kind of plug holes down the road, whether that's the
run drafted free agency, whether that's the veteran free agency.
We'll see, all right, Tyler, final thoughts as we wrap
up our post draft coverage this week.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
I am so excited to get into the dead months
of the offseason where nothing happens and we got to
make stuff up and makeup games or something in rankings.
But now I'm truly excited. And again here in the
Charges YouTube channel, we really do appreciate this as an honor.
So I'm having fun. Man.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun. And we
it's not the dead period yet. You know, we got
the schedule release coming out in a couple of times.
You're gonna be great. Whatever it is, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah, we know the.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Chargers are gonna go hard with that one. We also
have a lot of fun interviews coming, you know, one
of the series that we do, there's definitely a big
interview happening tomorrow. I'm gonna tease that one right now.
So that's gonna be on our channel to get to
his Charge podcast channel, So make sure and go check
that one out. But one thing we do every single
year too is interview these beat writers who cover these
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prospects throughout their college days, you know. And that's that's
a series that I really enjoy doing. Uh, you know,
we've gotten some great background information on guys like like
last year we had the Wake Forest guy come on
and talk about John Taylor and provide some great insight into,
you know, his background, and the same thing with Jamari
Sallier and his background. So there's definitely some fun things
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coming in the next couple of weeks on our chamannel. Obviously,
you guys know that there's great stuff coming on this
channel as well, so make sure you subscribe to both channels,
make sure you like the videos, let us know what
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whether that's on Twitter or on YouTube as well. Really
appreciate you guys for tuning in. That's going to do
it for us today and we'll see you next time.
Hey, what is up? Everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to the Guilty of Charge podcast, part of the
Chargers podcast network.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Tyler, it still feels really weird to say that.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Can't be happier about, you know, our second episode being
the draft wrap up and excited to dive into the
Chargers selections here.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
But how are you today? Man? What's up?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I'm doing very well. It's nice to just you can
just feel the draft stuff just leave my brain and
that feels so good. As soon as the draft was over,
I just had this nice clear mind and it was
so nice. So I'm doing rat Stephen, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I'm doing good.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I got to like hang out on Sunday and like
not I have to watch film, you know. And like
we were just like sitting there watching some of the
basketball games and my wife was like.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Oh, you're not watching film?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Like are we gonna like go hang out somewhere, like
you want to go do something? And I'm like, no,
I just want to like kind of sit down and
watch something else besides football college tape. So, you know,
excited to dive into all of it. You know, We're
gonna do some summer film watching at some point in
terms of like NFL stuff. You know, we dove in
a little bit to Killan Moore's offense a few weeks
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ago on our show, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Excited to do that. So yeah, all these pieces kind
of fit together. So, like Tyler said.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
We are diving into this draft class we're gonna have
We're gonna approach this from a different kind of angle.
You know, everybody kind of does draft grades. We didn't
really want to do it that way. So we're gonna
have draft superlatives today, kind of six different categories to
break down hopefully some of all of the selections, if not,
you know, a couple of pieces.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Here and there.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
So we are going to talk first and foremost about
Quentin Johnson. He's the first arm pick, he's the big name.
So we'll all kind of break things down there, and uh, yeah,
I'm excited to dive things in, to dive into things
this afternoon. So as always, we are independent contract We
are not representatives from the Chargers organization, so the opinions
that we share on this podcast network do not always
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reflect the opinions of the actual organization. So we're still
fans just like everybody listening to this, and we just
happened to be podcasting about the team on the team's channel,
So Tyler, let's dive in here first and foremost, with
the pick of Quenton Johnson. We've had a few days
now to simmer on things. The dust has settled, We've
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went back and revisited some of his college tape. How
are you feeling about the selection of mister Quentin Johnson
with the twenty first pick by the Chargers last Thursday night.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, I'm feeling really really good about this pick. It's
a player that I wish we had talked about more.
But as we said on our live show, we went
in so many different directions that it was so obvious
that Quentin Johnson could have been the guy that that's
like we skipped over him somehow. We talked about who
it wouldn't be, or who would be later, but not
Quenton Johnson, not twenty one. But after looking at you
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know him and what he does, reviewing the numbers and whatnot,
it almost just seemed like so obvious and it makes
so much sense for the Chargers considering what they need,
what they weren't so good at last year. And I
want to just look at these images here sent to
us by one origin from Pro Football Focus. This is
where the Chargers were at last year, the last two
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seasons actually in terms of yards after the catch per
perception and forced mistackle rate. Now again this is the
NFL numbers here. So what we'll see from Quentin Johnston
is obviously in college football. But the Chargers, for lack
of better words, weren't the best at this. This is
not really the wide receiver room that they had. Their
skill sets don't really match with yards after the catch
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per reception and mistackles, miss tackles forced. But you look
at someone like Quinton Johnston and his college film and
the numbers that he provides where he is right now,
and I'll try to describe this for the audio audience,
but Quentin Johnson is by far and away from the
last class, the best guy in terms of yards after
the catch per reception and mistackle miss tackles forced rate.
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He's fantastic and even compared to some of the receivers
that a lot of Chargers fans wanted, some of the
receivers that we had discussed. If he does one thing
incredibly well, and there's no doubt about this, it's forcing
miss tackles and getting those yards after the catch, and
that's evident here in this graph as well. Looking at
them side by side, you have Quenton Johnston versus where
the charges were out last year. And again this is
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college versus NFL. I get that, But if you feel
like your team was not great after the catch and
was not forcing misstackles, then getting Quentin Johnson, who clearly
is great at them, is a wonderful addition to this team.
So just looking at that alone, I was so happy
with this selection because he provides something the Chargers don't have.
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And Kellen Moore is going to love using Quenton Johnston
and Justin Herbert's going to love using him. I mean,
I would love for Justin Herbert to be able to
just hand the football off basically via nice you know,
shallow crosser or whatever, and Quentin Johnson gets nine more
yards or forty more yards. You know, like there's so
much he can do that really wasn't there last year
That Herbert's kind of been they really had in a while,
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and Johnson's gonna be able to provide that. But more
than just the short game, right is the deep downfield stuff.
And again that's what Chargers fans have been craving. Really
the two things, Can we make things easier for Herbert
with a screen Rory shallow crosser, or can we push
it down the field. And Quentin Johnson with deep target
rate versus yards per perception is one of the best
of the last few classes in terms of pushing the
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ball downfield. So it's really hard to look at this
pick and say I dislike that pick. I really like
this pick because the Chargers knew what they needed. They
knew that they were missing something, some element or several
elements to their team, and they went, let's go get
the guy that fills those needs the best in this class.
So I really like this pick. Man, I don't know
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about you.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, you know, I think in terms of instant reaction,
it was kind of a surprise for us because, you know,
there wasn't a ton of like top twenty buzz surrounding
Quentin Johnston by the national media members, you know, and
really until late in the process, I think, leading up
to the combine, he was like the betting favorite to
actually be the first receiver taken. And then for whatever reason,
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there was this searge for Jackson, Smith and Jigba. There
was a search for Zay Flowers, for Jordan Addison. Even
guys like Peter Schreger like leading up to the draft
were saying, you know, like, oh, like Jackson Smith and Jigba,
Zay Flowers and Jordan Addison, those are the ones who
are kind of gonna be like the first receivers off
the board. And then there was really like a late
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surge in the week leading up to the draft for Quenton,
you know, moving up betting markets and he was even
the favorite to be selec to be selected by the
Chargers as of Wednesday on Draft King. So there was
just this kind of late surge that made me kind
of think like from a Chargers perspective, you know, maybe
they'll be a little bit more flexible. Maybe they'll take
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a pass rusher in the first round, it'll take a corner, maybe,
look take one of the tight ends, and then they'll
get one of the receivers in the second round.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
And that that was kind of like.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Our focus throughout the pre draft process was maybe a
Jonathan Mingo, maybe a Marvin Mams, maybe a Tyler Scott
in the second round, because the first round didn't really
have a receiver who fit that kind of type. And
then like we like we were just talking about you know,
Quentin Johnson checked all these boxes and it was probably
staring at the pick was probably staring us right in
the face, and we should have definitely.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Talked about it more often.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
So from a schematic fit, I really like this, this
addition to the room. I mean, you shared those numbers
and we greatly appreciate Argent for being able to you know,
stack those up together and talk about them. And I
think that that speaks to how far the draft in
general has come, because, like I mean, five years ago,
like we were not we were not talking about yards
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after cast per reception and missed force tackle rate and
stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
And so just the ability that Quenton.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Has to take these short passes or take the long
passes and take them to the house. Like I think
for me, when you look at the number is one
of the things that really stands out is that when
he was a freshman at TCU, his average death of
target was over eighteen yards and he still was averaging
eight yards after the catch per reception. And then this
past year at TCU, his average death of target was
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down to twelve and he was still averaging eight yards
and eight point nine yards after the catch, So that
tells you that he can be a yards after the
catch threat regardless of where you are throwing him the football.
And that's an elite trait. And when you're picking outside
of the top fifteen, like, you're trying to identify elite traits.
And Quentin Johnson obviously has the athleticism in terms of
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his vertical jump, in terms of his broad jump, in
terms of his GPS tracking data from a speed profile perspective,
and then he has all of the data points that
you mentioned too, so that part of the box certainly
is checked off with Quinton and Johnson. Then you go
back and watch some of his film and you can
just picture, right Justin Herbert throwing a deep post to
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Quenton Johnson, and maybe you have Mike willie Is running
a drag underneath, and maybe you have Josh Palmer on
the other side running a deep out or something like that,
and you can see it vice versa, right, like, how
many times have we seen Mike Williams run a deep
over route and Justin Herbert just launches that thing to
Mike Williams, And now you can have Quinton Johnson being
your deep threat to take attention away from Mike Williams
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as well. So for those who are maybe kind of
concerned that maybe the Chargers pick the wrong receiver, I
think you should revisit what you your opinion was of
Quentin Johnson because I think he can be a do
it all wide receiver. I think in the short term,
and we can certainly talk about his fit at some
point today with the superlatives, but in the short term,
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you know, you don't have to make him be your
number one ride receiver. He doesn't even have to be
your number two. He can be you know, an emphasis
on the yards after the catch opportunities, emphasis on the
short routes, and you know, occasional deep shots, and you
can ease him into things and then next year you
see what you have in terms of a potential number
one wide receiver. So I love his short term fit,
I love his long term output. We talked about leading
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into the draft. This is the highest ceiling of any
of these wide receivers because of his athletic profile and
because he can do so many different roles for you
to play so many different roles, you know, a lot
of these receivers in this class are smaller shorter guys
who are probably best working from the slot. Quenton can
go out and be an X, he can go be
a Z, he can go be a slot. And also, man,
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I really love watching him block on tape. Dude's a
fantastic blocker too, And so I just I think he
checks so many different boxes. And like you said, I'm
annoyed at myself for not like talking about him more
leading up to the draft.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, there's so much focus I think sometimes on you know,
who your favorite player was, or what the players selected
can't do. You could argue that what Quentin cont Johnston
quote unquote like can't do with this moment, maybe Sharper Routes,
maybe you know, working on contested catches, I'll give you
Keenan Allen and MIKEL Williams, and for at least the
next year, you could learn from those guys. And you
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talk about those three wide receiver sets. The Cowboys under
Kellen Moore were in those three wide receiver sets about
seventy percent of the time. I think that was like
second or third in the NFL over that span. And
in those three wide receiver sets, the Cowboys were third
in EPA per play and third in passing success rate.
So they're really really good at working with these three
wide receivers. Granted, you know, different receivers, different team. I
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get that, but Kellen Moore wants to do that. And
now you have Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Quinton Johnston, three
good receivers with diverse skill sets who can do so
many different things. Watch Out Man and the Cowboys were
even I think first in EPA per play on rushing
downs out of three wide receiver sets. Partially, but guys,
I think of the way the receivers can block. And
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you just mentioned Quenton Johnson how good he is as
a blocker. At minimum, he's at least big enough to
execute those blocks. But you see on film that he's
really good at those two. So sky's limit for this offense. Honestly,
I really do like this election more and more, more
and more every day.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, I mean you mentioned learning from another proming. How
great is it to learn from Keenan Allen, you know,
as a run blocker two? And yes, you know, I
think part of the reason why we focus so much
on the tight ends is what Kellen Moore was able
to do in Dallas from twelve personnel, and Brett Coleman
did a great job in his first video on the channel,
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you know, breaking that down. But then today, like you
listen to Kellen Moore and his press conference and he
was saying like, yeah, like that's what we did the
last few years, because that's what was working for us.
You go back and watch maybe the last year of
Jason Garrett's tenure, and it's Ceedee Lamb, it's Amari Cooper,
it's Michael Gallup, and it was just like, we're gonna
go eleven personnel and we're just gonna like slice and
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dice you, and we're gonna do yards after the catch,
deep shots. And that's a very similar skill set to
what the Chargers have with this trio. And that's before
you even get to a guy like Josh Palmer. So
you know, you can get out here, have Keen Allen
the slot, Mike Williams as your ex, Quenton Johnson as
your Z. You know, maybe you flex Gerald Heibert out
to the slot, you flex Austin Eckler to the slot.
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There's a ton of possibilities with this offense that Kellen
Moore is going to be able to really you know,
create mismatches on a weekly basis, with this kind of
skill set that the Chargers needed, Like you said, this,
this was a guy that they needed to add, and
maybe we kind of focus on round two for that
kind of skill set, but I mean, obviously getting it
in round one works more than okay as well.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, I mean we discussed Jonathan Mingo for some of
the same reasons. Right when I we'd mock drafted him,
I said, hey, you know who can take a screen
to the house, who can take a shallow croster, who can
develop and push the ball down the field? That was
Quentin Johnston. We just called them Jonathan Mingo are bad.
We messed up by our round. We were close having
Josh Palmer as your wide Z before someone who had
one hundred and what five yards and two touchdowns against
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the Chiefs, Like, that's your wide rez be four and
then you add of course we'll talk about Darius Davis.
You have Jail and Guiden. What a room, What a
fantastic room. The big question though, is who takes the Jets.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Suitep Oh yeah, man, that's gonna be a lot of
fun though, because they now they have two guys. Last
year they only had one with DeAndre Carter. Now they
can do with Quenton and Darius Davis. Obviously we'll get
to him in a second, I'm sure. So you know,
I would occourage, like like I said, I would encourage
everybody that's that's feeling still a little bit negative about
the pick to think beyond of like what Quenton is
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right now and realize that you're not asking him to
be your wide receiver one. And you know, maybe teams
who are drafting a guy like a say Flowers, or
drafting a guy like Jordan Andison, you're gonna rely on
them as you're one or your two at times, and
Quentin Johnson is not going to be forced into that box.
So play to his strengths right now, and again you're
betting on the ceiling here and maybe next year when
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you have to make a decision on Keenan Allen or
Mike Williams, Quentin can step into a bigger role and
then just sky's the limit.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
And also he gets.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Played with Justin Herbert, man like Justin Herbert is a
huge part of this too, So you know Justin Herbert
pairing him with a guy like Quenton Johnson who can
average almost a whole first down after the catch, whether
that's a screen or a post down the field fifty
yards like, sign me up. I think this is gonna
be a really exciting duo for the next five six years,
depending on how obviously the contract situations pan out. But
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I like you, the more you think about it, the
more you like this pick with Quentin Johnston.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, I would agree. I don't think if we're going
to talk about projections, at least in year one, I
don't think he's going to have as many yards as say,
maybe he's a Flowers or some of these guys that
are going to be relied on a lot more. Yeah, right,
These guys don't have a keen and out of Mike Williams,
Like there's two twenty million dollar wide receivers on this
roster already. So I wouldn't go into this season thinking, oh, cool,
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offensive rookie of the year. That's probably Bejehn's the favorite,
I'm sure at this point.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
But and there were few three first round quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah, oh yeah, but whatever, what's a quarterback? I don't
watch them anymore. I just watched Justin yeah him. But
I think Quentin Johnston maybe this year not going to
see the full extent of it in terms of raw numbers,
but you're going to see that per play basis increase.
Like look at where the Chargers were last year EPA
pri play or red zone or explosive play rate, Like
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they were not worst in the league in those categories.
And that's what you have. Justin Herbert. You still had
at moments Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, but Quentin Johnson, even
if the rod numbers aren't there, are going to help
push this offense closer to that top five like they
were more in twenty twenty one, although a different flavor
and style of offense.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Absolutely, And you talking about twenty twenty one, like you
have arguably the deepest stable of wide receivers that Justin
Herbert has ever had, right, I mean Josh Palmer was
a guy who almost had a thousand yards last year.
I think it was like eight hundred and ninety. And
then you have Jalen Guyton coming back. See about the
health there, and then Darius Davis fill in that wide
receiver six roll wide receiver five. You know, to be
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determined in terms of camp and stuff like that, but
this is a deep group, man, So I'm excited to
see how it all pans out. All right, let's get
to some of our superlatives here. We have six of them,
and I'm excited to see which selections are fitting each category. Obviously,
kind of just running through it, Chargers going Quentin Johnson
the first round, tu Ley twet below too. In the
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second round, the edge rusher from USC mister Dayon Henley,
who's already becoming a fan favorite on social media. Linebacker
from Washington State in the third round. In the fourth round,
that's where they Chargers took Darius Davis to fill their
returner role and give them some speed, some legit four
to three six speed. Then in the fifth round they
get mister Jordan McFadden, big guy offensive lineman from Clemson.
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Sixth round getting Matt or excuse me, I'm toting on
his first round coming out, Scott Mattlock. I almost said,
Matt Mattlock. That's not right, Scott Mattlock. Excuse me, mister
Mattlock from Boise State. And then rounding out the class
with Max Duggan in the seventh round. So, Tyler, let's
hit our favorite value pick from this class. Who would
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your choice be? In terms of the value the charters got.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, I'm going to go with Matt Murdoch. Now I'm
getting Scott Matt lock, the defensive tackle from Boise State.
I almost went day on Henley because by definition of
the val you're looking at the consensus board versus where
they got him, and Henley really was the best value.
But then I watched Scott Matt Locke and I just
feel he's the best value selection because you've got a
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player that's above seventy fifth percentile in pass rush win
rate and productivity. He could win with power, he can
win with a rip or a swipe. He can play
all over the line. He's got an elite RAS to
pair with an elite motor. And I'm watching it. I'm
going there's no way this was a sixth round pick, Like,
are you kidding me? I would have I don't know
where I would have graded him, but it wouldn't have
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been a sixth round grade, that's for sure. This guy's
a ton of fun to watch, and Staley and his
press conference after the draft talked about, you know, he's
kind of like a Jaw Taylor where they brought him
in and he just wowed the defensive coaching staff, and
I totally get it. This guy on film is everything
you want for the Chargers, and especially as a sixth
round pick, like so much upside to him. You can
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develop him. He's got so many things he can do
right now. But in the upside, like the ceiling is there,
and he's got such a high motor. There was a
play against Air Force where he quarterback keeps the ball
and he's moving down the line to go get that quarterback.
Quarterback goes the other direction. He runs another forty yards
the other way to tackle a quarterback. And that's all
over the film for him. He's like, you want power,
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you want a rip, you want whatever. Like there's so
much he can do, and that's a sixth round pick.
I'm feeling like so good about him overall. Do I
think other players are quote unquote better players? Sure, like
other draft picks Quentin Johnson at twenty one, like Quentin
Johnson was the better, grated, better pick. But man, in
terms of my favorite pick, I think it's him. And
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apparently he's coming to take souls.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Anytime you hear a player talk about that, he's got
a lot of confidence.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Man.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
And two years ago, Boise State came here to Fresno,
and my wife and I and her family all went
and watched the game. And the loudest trash tacker on
the field man was this big number ninety nine on
Boise State. And I was like, man, who is this guy?
He's just talking all over the place. And Fresle State
had an elite offense that year. You know, that was
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the year when Jay Cayner was was most healthy, Jalen Cropper,
you know, Nico Rimikio, all these guys. That was the
year that fresent State had beaten UCLA and Boise State
was not exactly like a great They didn't have a
great season that year, but you would have thought that
this guy was the best player on the field. We're
on the best team in the Mountain West, best team
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on the West Coast. With how much much he was talking,
and he backed it up. Man, he was living in
the backfield that day. I want to say he had
two tackles for loss. He had a sack on mister
j Cayner. And that really stuck out to me when
I was like, okay, like I hear this guy talking about, oh,
I'm gonna come for his souls And then Branda City
calls him a war daddy, and it just like in
terms of six round picks, man like, I think that
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just is like, that's what you do with a six
round You take a shot on a guy who just
has this kind of upside athletically as well as the
un the intangibles here with his leadership, I want to
say it was a captain of Boise State two and
just his his ferocious mentality I think is gonna be
a lot of fun to watch. So, uh, you mentioned
Daon Henley. I'm gonna go with Dayon Henley here myself.
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In terms of best value, in terms of the consensus board,
this was the closest value pick of Tom Telesco's tenure.
In the third round, Keenan Allen was their consensus bars
were not around for Keenan Allen when he was drafted.
To clarify there, So Dayon Henley, I think from a
fit perspective, I really love the possibilities that you can
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have with Dayon Henley as your linebacker three. Maybe he
kind of pushes for linebacker two. We'll see, but I
think your initial role for Dayon Henley is as a
third down weapon and you're gonna use him in coverage.
You're gonna use him as a blitzer because I do think,
like from a physicality standpoint, like it's gonna take him
a little bit to get used to the NFL level.
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But again, the Chargers don't have to rush him out there,
so I think I think my favorite thing about mister
Dayan Henley is his ability.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
In pass coverage.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Like you watch him and Washington State would use him
in the slot, they would use him to carry over routes,
they would use him as a deep hook in terms
of like a Tampa two coverage. So it's very easy
for me to see like the way that the Chargers
used Drew Tranquil last year in pass coverage and put
day On Henley in that kind of role, and I
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think you can handle that. I think you can match
up with tight ends. I think he can carry over routes.
I think he can play, you know, middle hook and
be able to spy quarterbacks like I think his his
instincts in pass coverage are so so good, and then
you're able to use him as a pass as a
as a blitzer as well. So getting that kind of
player in the third round. He was my fourth highest
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graded linebacker. Really it was probably like my favorite linebacker watch.
This linebacker Ross was not a lot of fun to
watch in general.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
But day On was.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
And you know, day On I think brings you a
lot of cool attributes to look at as well as
the potential fit here behind Eric KENDRICKX and Kenneth Murray
and the balance of that linebacker group. I think you
can see a lot of good things coming with that
with that unit.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yeah, you talk about the coverage. Last year, Murray and
Tranquil blitzed one hundred and seventeen times for twenty nine
pressures and six sacks. They were surprisingly fourth and fifth
in past rush win rate out of sixty two linebackers.
Really good duo in that regard, Henley kind of get
the same thing, like it's exactly what the Chargers want
to work with, at least initially with him obviously, want
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a complete three down linebacker that at minimum he could rush.
He rushed sixty seven times in college football last year
for eighteen pressures in five sacks, seventh best and pass
rush productivity out of eighty one linebackers. So you know,
a great scheme fit there. I think exactly what they
want to do and a bit of a steal to
go with it.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, absolutely, all right, Tyler, Let's move on to our
next superlative here, which is going to be the most
immediate impact?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Who would be your choice for that category.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I'm kind of hoping because he's the twenty first selection,
but I'm going with Quentin Johnson. I think that sure,
there's if he were a receiver that will had a
similar skill set as the other two guys and was
a bit redundant, then maybe I'd say this is gonna
take a bit. He's going to develop. But we just
talked about what he can do after the catch and
misstackles forced now how he can push the ball deep
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and the Cowboys success and three wide receiver sets so
to me, and I think generally with the twenty first pick,
your first round pick, you're going to see the most
snaps anyway. But I do think Quentin Johnson is going
to have the most immediate impact. Again, maybe not the
raw numbers, He's not going to have fifteen hundred yards
if everybody stays healthy, but in terms of like per play,
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red zone, yeah, you name it, Like he's going to
have that immediate impact that I think is greater than
the other guys that they drafted.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, and we've seen the Charges be patient with a
lot of their draft picks. They're not going to force
these players to play if they're not ready, right, So, Quentin, like,
I think he's the most pro ready of these options here,
but I'm going to actual going to go with two
below two for this one. I think you and I
focus so much on the edge rusher as a possibility
at twenty one because Edge three with this Brandon Stay
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defense is a borderline starter. And we've seen whether it
be Kyler Factroll, whether it be Kyle Vanoy and Chris
Rump and even Kenneth Murray getting some run at edge rusher,
right like, that player is gonna play a ton And
we see in instances where Joey Bolso likes to kick inside,
Khalumac likes to kick inside, you know, and I think
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you can it's easy to see too. Lee Twoy below
to playing a ton of snaps right away, and I
think he brings a skill set similar to Quentin that
is very needed along the defensive line. I think the
Chargers needed to get stronger at the point of attack.
They needed to get more violent, more powerful and truly
gives you that. I think his greatest attribute as a
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pass rusher as a run defender.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Are his violent hands.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
You know, heavy hands is a phrase that you hear
a lot with him, and I think you can see
that all over ten. And I think he's a unique
skill set because you watch a game like against Stanford
and he's lining up as a nose, he's lined up
as a two tech, a three tech, a four tech.
And then you watch him against Washington State where a
game he had four sacks. He's straight up standing up
as an outside linebacker from a two point stance and
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he gives you four four sacks like he was able
to fill so many different roles like for USC. And
you watch the game against UCLA too, and he's rushing
as a stand up inside linebacker like he did so
many different roles. And usually a guy like that in
college isn't producing a ton because it's hard to get
into a rhythm. It's hard to figure out like, okay,
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do I do this well? Like what kind of past
rush arsal do I really have? When I'm not like
in that consistent mode as somebody who is just like
straight up lining up against the tackle and just going.
And you know, he was able to produce at anything
at any of those different roles.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
So I love his ability to set the edge. I
love his ability to.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Stack and shed at the point of attack and be
able to collapse the pocket is something that I think
is huge for him too, and use his power, use
his leverage to get under the pads of blockers.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I think was a skill set that was really needed
in this edge rusher group.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
So gives them a lot of flexibility up front, gives
them a third edge rusher that can really, you know,
push things and collapse pockets and make plays, just be disruptive.
And you know, this was a guy who had thirteen
and a half sacks as a nineteen year old at
USC and it was the most sacks of any USC
defensive player since like two thousand and three. And so
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I just think that he gives you a lot of upside.
He's only twenty years old still, but I love his
immediate impact on this team. It just gives him so
much flexibility on third down, so you can roll out Morgan,
fox him, Joey Khalil and just create mismatches, right, you know,
maybe you're relying him and Morgan against the guards. Maybe
it's Joey and Khalil against the guards. Maybe you stand
someone up like they different time to time. So I
(27:58):
think Truley just gives them so many more possibilities as
a chess piece, and you know, like really elevates the
floor of this pass rush.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I was so bummed that I did not watch him.
Of one hundred and twenty five, one hundred and thirty
players watched and I somehow missed him. But boy, just
watching him with the context of knowing he's on the
chargers and what he provides, it's like, oh, yeah, that's perfect.
How did I not watch him? How did I not
prioritize him? It was so impressive to see him be
productive in so many different ways. Sometimes you watch guys
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and he's like, wow, they can do that, they can
do that, they line up here, they line up here,
but they're not really good at one of those things.
Like doing a lot of things doesn't mean you're always
good at them, but truly, and I think there are
things he's better at, like Tom Telusco does believe he's
more of an edge rusher, which he will be. But
I was just surprised to see how good. He was
at so many different things, so the flexibility of courses there.
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We wanted an edge rusher in this class to be
able to kick Joybosa inside or do whatever, because the
mispatchers are so important for in Stily in this defense,
and Tuley just gives the opportunity to do so many
different things. So I'm really excited for this pick. I'm
really excited for Tulee. He's going to be a lot
of fun. Yeah, I still can't believe he's twenty. Man
like this is I know, like you just don't see
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this kind.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Of production from a nineteen year old, you know, at
a at a school like USC. So you know, this
was an edge rusher group where there were a lot
of older players. You know, Keon White was a twenty
four year old prospect. You know, Will McDonald was older,
he was a five year senior. And so for Tuley
to have this kind of production, like I think the
thing with him, like he didn't test right, So there
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just wasn't a ton of buzz around him because he
didn't test, you know, and maybe that's an issue for
some teams. Maybe teams like to have that kind of
you know, full picture when when grading a prospect, and
you know, I think fans and draft twitter are the
same way, so that could be an argument for him
providing a lot of value in terms of draft status
as well. So excited to see that one. All right
(29:59):
to move on here too. The best scheme fit this
could be a lot of different answers, So I'm curious
to see where you ultimately end up here. Who's your
favorite scheme fit with from this draft class.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Well, I won't have much more to add because it's
too late to hippolow too. He in terms of fit,
we just talked about it, right, Like everything they want
to do on defense is right there. You need him
or the other guys to put their hand in the dirt.
He'll do that. Rush over the a gap, He'll do that,
you know, stand up edge rusher, He'll do that. Like
the flexibility of what this team can do on defense
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changes dramatically because of him. And you talked about the
power element and the violent hands, the active hands. They're there.
And again he's twenty years old. Joey Bosa. I was
listening to him on the Drew Tranquil podcast and he
was saying that he didn't really see the version of
himself that he really wanted until he was his fourth
year in the league or after four years in the league.
(30:52):
Some of these guys, you know, the edge rushers that
you mentioned, are twenty four. Now imagine having to wait
four years for him to get to, you know, twenty
eight years old, twenty seven to twenty nine, whatever it
is to be the best version of himself. Tully's not
turning twenty one until September, Ryan until about week one
of the season, and so just to have him in
this rotation kind of like Quinton Johnson, you had Keenan
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Allen and Mike Williams. Well, here's edge Rushard Royalty to
learn from with Khalil Mack and Joey Bosa. So a
young player who's already very talented, you could do so
many things, who has a huge ceiling that he can hit,
learning from some of the best and also working with
Gift Smith and Jay Rodgers, I think to an extent amazing.
I love it for this game.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I was mostly curious if you're going to choose Darius
Davis on special teams because we were big Ryan Fickin
fans on this show. I mean, how can you not
be after the success that he had in his first
year as a coach as special teams coordinator, So I'm
super excited to see what he's able to do with
a guy like Darius Davis with four to three six speed,
you know, five career punt return touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Like that's gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
My selection here is gonna be Jordan mcfannon, the offensive
tackle from mc clemson, again, somebody we didn't grade the
into your offensive line class. Was so much fun and
so I just there wasn't a ton of buzz about Jordan.
He was a Shrine Bowl guy, not a Senior Bowl guy,
not a young declary. So I'm sure that's part of it.
But diving into his tape over the weekend and kind
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of reflecting back on how Kellen Moore likes to use
his into your offensive lineman as well as the tackles too,
to create rushing lanes at the second level in particular,
was a ton of fun to watch him work. And
you know, the Chargers have compiled a lot of great
second level blocking offensive lineman. Obviously it starts with Corey Lindsey.
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You can talk about Zion Johnson, you can talk about
Rashaun slater Trey Pipkins as well, and Jordan mcfahnen is
the next in the line here. Like, I love watching
him get to the second level, whether that's you know,
pulling out to pulling out on a screen, whether that's
working a comma block and getting to a linebacker at
the second level, whether that's doing a guard count GT
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counter pulling across the formation. Jordan mcfannon is a violent, nasty,
athletic freak of an offensive lineman and I cannot wait
to see what kind of possibilities this offense draws up
for him, And I think there's some work that needs
to be had in the passing game. I definitely think
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he's more of a run blocker than a pass protector.
But shifting him potentially to guard I think elevate or
alleviates a lot of the concerns that I have as
a pass protector. But the way that he's able to
fit into this group of interier offensive linement specifically and
just be able to use any of the four I mean,
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Jamari is not necessarily a great second level blocker, but
you know, he's just like so strong at the point
of attack. You know, if Jordan mcfannon has to come in.
I think you can do a lot of similar things
that you do is ye On and Corey Linsley in
terms of getting them to the second level, and so
schematic wise.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
The fit of Jordan McFadden in the fifth round being
able to.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Pare him in this kind of rushing scheme where they're
gonna get these offensive linemen on the move, I'm a
big fan of that.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Yeah, just watching all of these guys on day three, Davis,
we already knew about. But watching someone like like Matt Locke,
like McFadden, You're like, how did I not think of
these guys? How do I find these guys earlier? Why
wasn't there more buzz for them? And maybe just is
the tackle to guard convert sort of thing where you
know when Jamori Sawer, yes, I know there was a
sort of pre draft injury, but even with that, he
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shouldn't have fallen into the sixth round and someone like
McFadden perfect player, no, but watching what he can do,
it's such a surprise that he was there in the
fifth ront because he's so good at so many things
and really does fit the scheme better. I think Jamori
Sawier right away is a better guard. I don't think
there's any question about that. Jamari Sawer in college at
tackle was a much better tackle I think than McFadden overall.
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I mean, you see that against Aidan Hudginson and David
Ojabo in that year. With that set in terms of
scheme and how they want to get their guys on
the move, McFadden is perfect for them. You showed a
screenshot of him and the rest of his offensive line
and who fires off the ball first. He's like onto
his second step before some of the other games have moved.
So he's a ton of fun. Again. I think I
(35:14):
said this on social media recently, but pick to pick,
beginning to end. This is my favorite draft class of
Tom Telsco's in quite some time, at least since we've
been on the pod, because every player just seems to
fit the scheme so well, and they're good players, really
really good job well done.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah, absolutely, And you know McFadden also another alumni of
offensive line masterminds with Duke manny Weather, so continue to
pull from that pipeline. I'm a big fan of that
process in general, so very curious to see what kind
of if an injury does happen in offensive tackle. Obviously,
we're hoping nothing happens knock on wood. Hopefully Slater and
Pipkins play all seventeen games, eighteen games, nineteen, whatever it takes.
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But you know, if an injury does happen, I'm curious
to see if Mari is that guy to kick out
or mcfannon just comes in at tackle, you know, knowing
he played both left tackle and right tackle in college,
or if that's Foster surreup.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
At backup swing tackle.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
So it just seems like the Chargers have really valued
that flexibility from these college offensive line. Mean, Brendon Heimus
is another guy here who played left tackle at Erasca,
played it well. He's played mostly guard and some center
for the Chargers. So it just seems that they're really
valuing these guys who have played a lot of different spots.
(36:32):
Maybe they were a tackle and then like just break
in case of emergency, you know, breaking glass, you can
kick them back out to where they played in college
and just have that kind of familiarity.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
And obviously that's what happened with you Mari last year.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah, we'll see what they do with the depth. I
think that's something we'll talk about maybe in a bit,
but as far as flexibility along that interior, and then again,
break class, break glass. In case of emergency players, you're
feeling good, Like the worst case scenario, you put guys
who have experienced at tackle, left right, guard, left right, whatever.
You can play them out there if obsolutely needed during
a game, and you know, of course, maybe there's a
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drop off in play, like if a Shaun Slatter gets hurt,
there's a drop off in play. Sorry, Like, regardless of
who you are, not many guys were better than Mishaun Slater,
maybe two or three in the entire NFL. But you
won't have to sacrifice your scheme, Like maybe the play
will decrease, but the scheme won't be sacrificed because of
someone like McFadden. So yeah, love the pick for sure.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah, all right, let's move on here to biggest surprise,
maybe a draft pick that may made you stand up
out of your chair and go ooh, I didn't necessarily
think about this player here, or maybe the scheme fit.
What's your selection here, Tyler?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
I could have picked most of them. And again we
didn't talk about Quinton Johnson as much as we did,
and I didn't watch Tulie two whip below too, So
everyone was kind of a surprise to me, but I
think it really was Darius Davis from TCU. I definitely
wanted to talk about him today regardless, I would have
made up a category for him. But it's not a
surprise that they went with another receiver or another returner.
(38:00):
But I didn't think they would add another one so
early after taking Johnston at twenty one, and Telusco has
never taken two receivers in the first four rounds before,
and he's never added someone with this physical profile like
Tevin Reese was close about the same weight, but he
was taller. Yeah, but don't tell Darius Davis he's small man,
because like he can squat five point fifty at a
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buck sixty five as one as Feldman's freaks. The guy's legit.
I can't wait to see this, this matchup between Eckler
and Davis, for you know, the pound for pounds, strongest
guy in the weight room. So I didn't think they'd
take a returner this early. I didn't think they would
take someone that's very different than what they're used to
on offense at receiver, but they added one of the
(38:41):
best returners in college football. So you know, I can't
be disappointed there.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, I think biggest surprise definitely fits. But also I
think you could frame this in like a future training camp,
like who's going to be the biggest surprise pickm hmm,
because I think he's being framed as a returner only
right now. But I think he has legit receiver tape too,
man Like. I know that he's smaller and stuff like that,
but there are some times where he really routes up
(39:07):
these dbs, Like I shared a clip on Twitter against
the West Virginia game and he turned the corner around twice,
like both at the point of his release as well
as at the top of the route too. So there's
some elusiveness here that I think is being underrated. He's
not just like a straight line speed guy. Although he
runs a four to three six he's very very fast.
(39:28):
But I think you could it's pretty easy for me
to see him slotting into that kind of role that
DeAndre Carter had on an offense where it's you know,
heavy on the posts, heavy on the on the go balls.
Let's give him some crossers every once in a while.
Let's see what he can do after the catch. Let's
hand on the ball as a jet sweep guy, Let's
throw him some screens every once in a while. I mean,
(39:49):
the yards after catch ability between these two players is
really going to help the Chargers give them some easy
layups that they didn't really have last year. So you know,
I wouldn't be surprised if Darius Davis pushed for like
legit snaps at receiver. Man, I really wouldn't like whether
that's as a wide receiver for I think he's probably
a bit much, But like, I don't think he's just
(40:10):
coming in to be a returner. I think there's a
lot of upside here to be had as well in
terms of receiving ability.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Yeah, Kellen Moore watched Cavante Turpin do it last year
as a returner as a smaller guy from TCU. He
had a wopping six receiving yards. So I'm hoping for
a bit more of that more than that for Davis
this year, and I think he can provide that and
Brandon Staley DoD come out and say he gives this
team that fifth wide receiver element. So you know, I
(40:36):
do think he has to compete with Jill and Guiden
officially for that lot, but Guidton is currently not healthy.
He's getting there, of course, he's not one hundred percent though,
So I think they have some plans for him, and
I don't think it's you know, ten touches a game,
but I think just every now and then you keep
him active. Of course, he'll be the returner as is,
and you can just do a couple of different things
(40:57):
with them. You just sprinkle that on film because every
once in a while you want to be able to
show that look or just use that player for something
that the defense wasn't expecting. So do I think he
has twenty touches this year? Maybe not, But I think
there's going to be, you know, every other game at
least one meaningful snap where there's a target or a
handoff where he does something special. Maybe not every down,
(41:19):
of course. Like I do think he's wide receiver five
at max, but it's going to be an important role,
even in a very small role.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yeah, I think just having that confidence of him as
your wide receiver five, like that's huge. I mean, in
twenty twenty one, the Charges really only had four because
Andre Roberts was really not much of a threat as
a receiver. He was a great returner and had some
great moments that year and this past season, you know,
whether there was just always an injury, right And I
think having Darius Davis as your wide receiver five is
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going to elevate the floor of that unit for sure.
All Right, last one here, Tyler. There's been a lot
of positivity on this show, rightfully so. But biggest concern
post draft, whether that is a unit or a pick
that they didn't make, or you know, a certain spot
on the depth chart.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
What's kind of your concern at.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
This point after the drafty a combination of all those things.
And it's backup offensive tackle. Now, there are options there.
They might decide to Frankenstein's Monster this thing and say, okay,
we can get you know, high miss in this situation.
Maybe it's Serah, maybe it's McFadden. You know, maybe Salier
kicks out or whatever. And there is a world where
(42:30):
they could do that, and they might do that. But
right now, we just came off a season where when
Pipkins went down and let's say if Jamari Sallier was
not able to kick out the tackle, we saw a
lot of struggles, right There's a lot of struggles with
that blocking unit when Pipkins in particular went down, and
he went down several times, toughed it out right amazingly
(42:50):
so and earned his contract again. Hope these guys all
stay healthy. But Rashaun Slater didn't finish the season, was
out by week three. Trey Pipkins was in out of
the line up I think three or four times with
a pretty significant injury last year, And right now there's
no true backup swing depth tackle. Maybe they feel that way,
but right now, just as me looking at the roster,
(43:13):
I'm worried about that spot in particular more than anything else.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
I think ideally you'd want to have a reliable veteran
back there, so like I think Will Clapp could fill
fill in at either guard spot if they needed him
to in place obviously backup center like he did last year.
Just having somebody who could play reliable snaps I think
would be a huge for the met offensive tackle. For me,
(43:38):
it has to be the tight end room. And I
think this is not necessarily about Gerald Everett, Ordonald Parram
or Trey McKitty as players, but just like the way
that it functions together is a concern for me. And
this was the deepest tight end class we've probably ever seen.
And you could go legitimately like fifteen deep at this
position in this draft and you could find a legitimate,
(44:02):
you know, potential playmaker down the road.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
And the Charters did the way that the board fell.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
They didn't feel comfortable taking the tight end and clearly
they were not going to force that option. And I
totally understand why because you have these guys who have
played a lot for you, but you know, the Chargers
might do wide receiver heavy looks, but one of the
biggest problems of the offense last year was just the
tight end functionality was not where it needed to be.
(44:28):
I think Gerald Everett is an above average receiving threat.
I think he does a lot of great things as
the yards after catch player. I mean, he was arguably
the best offensive player on the field in the playoff
game against Jacksonville, and you can do a lot of
fun things with him. We know what Donald Parham can
do whenever he's healthy, but that's a big if at
this point, you know, coming off of the concussion, coming
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off to the back to back hamstring injuries, we just
don't know if he can stay on the field, and
Trey McKitty has been pretty up and down as a blocker,
hasn't necessarily that he can handle a lot as a
wide receiver, and so like we all kind of pegged
the tight end as a spot that they really needed,
especially to run this Kellen Moore offense, and they haven't
(45:10):
addressed that. So I think if everybody is performing well,
like you feel really good about the tight end unit, right,
But I just think they they are missing that fourth
piece to challenge one of the three, you know, whether
that was another receiver to challenge Everett, whether that was
another blocker to challenge Parmam mckittie. They just I felt
like they needed to add another body into the unit,
(45:31):
and you know, they did it, And so I can
understand why. I can understand why you roll with the
same three from last year. I'm a big fan of
the players individually, but I think, just like I think,
the unit is just missing an element of functionality that
I would have liked to see them add to in
this draft.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
And I think they are going to address that at
some point. I'm not saying they're going to get someone
to start over Gerald ever, to this point, I don't
think that's happening. But I do think they're going to
add a body there. I think Brendan Steely said, I mean,
he came out and said, you can't always get what
you want, you know what you need in the draft.
And I think, especially because that was in response to
a question about tight End, I think you just know
(46:09):
that maybe they feel like they miss an opportunity. There
weren't many opportunities, like you said, because the way the
board fell kind of like in some of our simulations,
it's just right before the Chargers picked that guys they
wanted and that round were gone. So you know, when
you preferred them to reach in round three for someone
reaching round four for someone not really and again with
the players they selected, I'm very happy, so I understand
(46:30):
why they didn't. But I do think they're going to add,
and I think they at least should add so they
have a nice rotating stable because next year, you know,
who knows, if Gerald Everet's gone, what is your receiving option.
I don't know if they have a solid pure receiving
option out there for them, but maybe that's something they
address in the draft next year.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yeah, And that's that's the thing too, is that it's
a free agent after the season. I mean Donald Parham
was he's a one year deal, right or see two
year deal.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Maybe he's a two year deal, but I think most
of these two year deals are quote unquote two year deals,
you know.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah, yeah, So it just like the way that the
board felt it was not very friendly, tight and friendly
for the Charger. For sure, we felt like heading into
day two that it was gonna be tight and friendly,
and then Laporta, Mayor, and Musgrave all went like significantly
earlier than the Chargers were going to pick. There were
some medical concerns about Darneld Washington, and then you know,
the Chargers take they take tu Lee right at fifty four,
(47:26):
and then Luke Schoonmaker goes right off the board right
after that, which I felt like was a bit rich.
I felt like him taking him at fifty six or
fifty four would have not been good value. So again
I understand the Chargers played the board the right way.
I just I wish they would have been able to
add a tight end at some point, both for the
short term and the long term. So maybe they addressed
that with one of with a potential veteran free agent.
(47:48):
We'll see, the roster is at eighty eight players right now,
so they only have two open spots, and how they
go about addressing some of their spots their open spots
is gonna be interesting over the next couple of Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
And as we saw last year, within about two weeks
of the draft, they signed three different free agents who
I didn't know were available or I didn't know the
Chargers could even do that, and they did. So you know,
I'll give it some time. Brand and Staley said after
the draft there's a window where they could add guys,
and then in training can there's a window where they
can add guys if they don't feel like they have
the guys that they need. So, whether it's now, whether
(48:21):
it's in a few months, I think they'll add someone,
whether it is tackle or whether it is tight end.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Right, And like I said, overall, I really appreciated their
approach in this draft, just adding good football players fortify
the depth of this team overall, and then we can
kind of plug holes down the road, whether that's the
run drafted free agency, whether that's the veteran free agency.
We'll see, all right, Tyler, final thoughts as we wrap
up our post draft coverage this week.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
I am so excited to get into the dead months
of the offseason where nothing happens and we got to
make stuff up and makeup games or something in rankings.
But now I'm truly excited. And again here in the
Charges YouTube channel, we really do appreciate this as an honor.
So I'm having fun. Man.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun. And we
it's not the dead period yet. You know, we got
the schedule release coming out in a couple of times.
You're gonna be great. Whatever it is, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah, we know the.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Chargers are gonna go hard with that one. We also
have a lot of fun interviews coming, you know, one
of the series that we do, there's definitely a big
interview happening tomorrow. I'm gonna tease that one right now.
So that's gonna be on our channel to get to
his Charge podcast channel, So make sure and go check
that one out. But one thing we do every single
year too is interview these beat writers who cover these
(49:36):
prospects throughout their college days, you know. And that's that's
a series that I really enjoy doing. Uh, you know,
we've gotten some great background information on guys like like
last year we had the Wake Forest guy come on
and talk about John Taylor and provide some great insight into,
you know, his background, and the same thing with Jamari
Sallier and his background. So there's definitely some fun things
(49:58):
coming in the next couple of weeks on our chamannel. Obviously,
you guys know that there's great stuff coming on this
channel as well, so make sure you subscribe to both channels,
make sure you like the videos, let us know what
you think, and we'll be sure to interact with you
whether that's on Twitter or on YouTube as well. Really
appreciate you guys for tuning in. That's going to do
it for us today and we'll see you next time.
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