Guilty as Charged: Underrated Players, Draft Prospects, and Final Mock Draft Predictions

Steven Haglund and Tyler Schoon of the Guilty as Charged podcast are bringing their insights and perspective to the Chargers podcast network, every Tuesday! In today’s episode Steven and Tyler introduce themselves to the Bolt Fam (00:30). They discuss some of the top prospects that the Chargers could be looking at, offer their thoughts on some underrated players to keep an eye on (5:25), and even conduct their own mock draft to see how things could shake out (24:30). With their deep knowledge of the team and the league as a whole, Steven and Tyler provide valuable insights that will help you stay ahead of the game.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hey, what is up everybody? Welcome to the Chargers podcast network.
If you're a little confused today, we are obviously not
Chris Harry and Matt money Smith. My name is Stephen Haglan.
This is my co host, Tyler Shoon. We are the
Guilty as Charged podcast. We are not replacing those two,
so you will still see those two coming on your
feeds later this week. Instead, we are adding to the

(00:36):
Chargers profile if you will, on YouTube, all podcast platforms,
and we are so stoked to be here. We could
not be more grateful and honored to the Chargers organization
and social teams and production teams to having reached out
to us about this idea, you know, a couple of
months ago, and we're gonna give it everything we have.

(00:56):
You know, this is gonna be a great new partnership
for us. And if you're familiar with our work, you know,
welcome back. If you're not, hopefully you stick around. You know,
this is something that is a huge opportunity for us
and we can't wait to dive in. So Tyler, what's
up man? How you doing today?

Speaker 2 (01:11):
I mean, shoot, Steven, We're here on the Chargers YouTube
network and their podcast feed I'm feeling pretty darn good.
I can't believe this is a thing. In January, when
there was this idea of a partnership, we figured cool,
so like we'll get to interview maybe another guy or
something every once in a while and that will definitely
still be the case. But when things were outlined to

(01:33):
us about what this was going to be, you and I,
I think we had pretty good poker faces during the meeting,
but after school I called you like.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, my gosh, Yeah, we were freaking out a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, it was definitely it was. This is really a
dream come true. It's going to go on my mount
rushmore of accomplishments next to getting married, getting at diploma,
having kids, and the Chargers on their podcast feed. I
can't believe this is the thing. And again thinking to
the whole organization everyone for getting behind us and making
this work. I mean, what we have in store, we

(02:06):
have planned, the kind of things that are coming down
the pipeline, it's going to be pretty spectacular. This is new,
this is different. It's kind of unprecedented for the Charges
really to have this kind of access for I mean,
who are we I don't know what we're doing here.
Did someone lose a bet? But here we are, like,
I can't believe this is happening, and I'm so excited
to do this moving forward with the Chargers and of

(02:26):
course with you, Steven Stephen. How are you feeling, I'm
doing great.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
I'm a little there's a lot of nervous excitement energy
today as opposed to our normal episodes. But you know,
this is a big deal for us, and obviously this
will not be possible with all the support from our
loyal listeners over the past four years and just you know,
we've been able to build a really strong community that way.
So cannot thank you guys enough for you know, supporting

(02:52):
us along the way. As far as our end goes,
nothing's going to change really. Essentially, one episode of ours
a week is going to be here on the Chargers feeds.
The rest of everything we do will still stay on
the Guiltiest charge podcast feeds. So if you're new, please
go subscribe to that wherever you find your podcast, whether

(03:12):
that's here on YouTube or whether that is on Apple,
Spotify or Stitcher, or wherever we are available, wherever you
can find a podcast, and definitely be sure to subscribe
to the Chargers' YouTube channel as well. That's obviously the
big focus here for us is being able to kind
of partner with them and continue to grow their presence
on YouTube. So definitely go check that out, turn those

(03:34):
notifications on and make sure you are not missing anything.
So before we get started in our first show on
the Chargers channel, we do have to say we are fans.
We are not employees of the Chargers. Our opinions that
we express every single Tuesday are not reflective of the
Chargers organization themselves. So we are going to do our best,

(03:58):
obviously to provide honest and object active analysis as we
have the last four years. Sometimes that might be a
little bit of a disagreement with you know, how a
Chargers employee might feel. Again, we are not employees. We
are independent podcasting fans just here to provide some additional content.
So our our opinions are not reflective one hundred percent

(04:20):
of the time of the organization. So that being said,
we are two days away from the draft as you
guys are listening, so this is going to be essentially
the the bow on our pre draft coverage. So we've
done a ton of position rankings, We've done a few
mock drafts. We've done some individual prospect profiles over on

(04:41):
our own channel. Tyler and I have each graded around
one hundred and fifty prospects in this draft classes. We've
put in a ton of work watching film, watching all
twenty two coaches tape to be able to provide this
kind of content. So this is, like I said, this
is our bow on the pre draft coverage. So what
we're going to do today is talk about some my guys,
some players that we are really pounding the table for,

(05:03):
not necessarily for the Chargers, but just some players that
we really have grown to love their games throughout this process.
And then we are going to do a mock draft
exercise after we cover that kind of topic. So we're
gonna try and attack that angle predicting who the Chargers
are ultimately going to select on Thursday night. So Tyler

(05:25):
will start with you, man, We're gonna do offense, defense,
and then we can do a wild card if you want,
who's an offensive prospect let's say, outside of your first
round grades that you are pounding the table as a
my guy in this class.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
It has to be the guy that's been one of
my favorites this whole time that I've mocked drafted to
the Chargers. And maybe I won't today, but I've mocked
him to the Chargers no fewer than one hundred and
thirty seven times. And that's running back ty J. Spears
out of Tulane. When we start evaluating prospects, we tend
to look at a numbers based approach first. I tend
to like to set up our composite, you know, stats

(06:00):
based per play rankings, and Spears came in at number
one on those rankings. But that doesn't always mean that
that player is the best player, right. There are several
players like last year for wide receiver, it was Jarriff
Stearns out of Western Kentucky didn't go in the first round,
I didn't go in the second round. I believe he
was undrafted and went to the Bucks. So it doesn't
always mean that they're the best player. And I certainly

(06:21):
don't mean that Spears is the best player either. That's
one Bijon Robinson at his position, but Spears stood out,
so I started watching him after Bijon Robinson because of
his ranking, and man, he just lived up to those numbers,
and not every guy does. Spears did, and he just
the numbers in general, sixty three misstackles forced over eighteen

(06:42):
hundred scrimmage yards, almost seven yards per carry, nineteen touchdowns,
thirteen hundred of those yards after contact or after the catch,
which is absurd. We had Argent from Pro Football Focus
ranked college backs based on their their translatable stats from
college to the pros, and Spears was second. He's a
second explosive run rate. Obviously, he's first in our sad

(07:05):
Space composite rankings as well. He's just fantastic, and he's
aced every bit of the process along the way. Loved
him then and then he just did great at the
Senior Bowl, and then at the Combine. You know, he's
not the biggest guy. Of course, he wouldn't test really
great there, but the other measurables were really really solid
as well. So you watch him on film, you watch

(07:26):
him in the numbers, you watch him with the analytics.
Everything about him just screams this is a really solid,
safe prospect. Overall. There is a caveat there because there's
kind of a buzz or rumor floating around about some
medicals being a bit off. I don't know really anything
about that. I can't really speak on that, but Spears
until that started dropping and coming out, Spears was my

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RB two, which was crazy because a lot of people
are saying that Jimiy Gibbs is like very close to
Bejohn Robinson, and I disagree there, but no one really
has Spears RB two I did. I love watching this
player so much. I love him so much, and he's
such a my guy that even watching him dismantle USC,
the team that I root for, even watching that him

(08:11):
dismantle the Trojans to twelve point one yards per carry
and two hundred nineteen total yards and four touchdowns, even
with that, I could step back and go, all right, ya,
he's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, we're being fans of ty J. Spears on this show.
I think we've, like you said, mocked him on each
of our shows, on each of our mock draft episodes.
He's been selected to the Chargers, So you know, we'll
see ultimately what happens with him, you know, in terms
of the medical situation, but you know, on tape from
a number's perspective, from a senior bole perspective, which we
know is a big deal when it comes to how

(08:44):
the Chargers really evaluate these prospects from outside of the
top fifty and beyond. So ty Jer Spears outside of
the medicals, checks a ton of boxes for us, and
I think for the Chargers if they're able to, you know,
get him in range. So for me, one of my
favorite position groups in this class is the intier offensive
line group. You know, it was a position group that

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I felt like I could watch, like probably for an
entire week itself, just because I kept finding like these
quality prospects to watch. Obviously, I'm a University of Utah
alumni for those who know, So I could talk about
Brandon Daniels, I feel like that's an obvious choice. So
instead I'm going to go just up the road from
the Chargers facility and talk about one John Gains from UCLA,

(09:28):
somebody that really checks the versatility box that I think
the Chargers are particularly looking for. So again, these guys
are not necessarily like these are pounding the table for
the charters, but I think for these two at least
it works out so far. So John Gaines has experienced
starting games for the Bruins at right tackle, left guard,
and right guard, and a lot of people think that

(09:49):
his best position could ultimately be center. So there's a
lot of you know, position flex for him, which I
know Brandon Staty has really put an emphasis on, as
we saw obviously with Jamari Sallier this season and guys
like Will Clap, et cetera. So from a film standpoint,
I love watching him work. I think he's got, you know,
high level athletic traits in terms of his length, in

(10:10):
terms of his explosiveness, really able to get off the
ball and get to the second level execute reach blocks
at a really high level, which are super important in
the kind of zone schemes that we know Killan Moore
are going to want to run. So there's this very
specific short shuttle number that Josh Norris and Hayden Winks

(10:31):
have have been able to kind of do some research
over that underdog Fantasy Sports, and you know, every single
offensive lineman who has hit this short shuttle number has
basically gone on to be a long term starter in
the NFL. And John Gains is the only into your
offensive lineman from this class to hit that number. So
it's kind of a cheat code to get somebody who

(10:51):
can really be explosive off the ball like that. And
then I think there are some technique things that you
have to consider for cleaning up. I mean, I'm not
talking about know a second round guard by any means,
not talking about a guy like Zion Johnson. But for
the Chargers, for a team who wants, you know, a
fourth round guard who can be a swing player right away,
maybe be a long term center. I think would check

(11:12):
a lot of boxes. So John Gains, I'm a big
fan of his work, you know from his tape and
then I think you know his RAS score as well
from an athletic profile. Is definitely one to really like
in this class.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
He's awesome and I think in terms of yards run
during a game, he's next two wide receivers. I think
that that can move. Yeah, absolutely fantastic. I'm curious. I
think everyone seems to like him, and I think the
numbers are great, and I think that the r S
is great and the film is solid. Why do you
think he's not higher on let's say the consensus board

(11:48):
then he should be.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, that's been a puzzling one. I think after the
combine he's certainly shot up PFF board. I think if
you go on to PFF's simulator nowadays, he's he's probably
a third round, fourth round pick. But you look at
the consensus bart he's certainly down down the ranks, which
I don't necessarily understand either, So maybe it's you know,
he plays next to Antonio Maffi, who's another guard as

(12:12):
well that I think could make a lot of sense
for the charters. He's a little bit more splashy, a
little bit more physical, maybe kind of getting a little
bit overshadowed by his own teammates, so that could be
something I think could be working against him. But I
think people who really you know, have watched a ton
of tape as we know the Chargers coaches and scouting
staff have, I think John Gains will be able to

(12:33):
stand out for them. So I ultimately do think he's
going to be like a fourth maybe late third round
kind of player for them.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, I could see that in that third round compick
sort of range, And the guy I want to talk
about for defense, I feel I could fall in that
range to that late third round comp maybe fourth round,
And it really just comes down to the size thing,
and that's Trevius Hodges Tomlinson, the corner out of TCU
as my defensive my guy. If that name sounds familiar,
that's Ladanian Tomlinson's nephew. If you're feeling old now, welcome

(13:04):
join the club. Because I got to watch la Danian,
Tomlinson's nephew in his senior year of college on film
this year, and it was really a tie between you know,
him and Marvin Mims for that kind of my guy,
the guys that play above their weight class and outside
of their their physical frame. And he's really Wolverine out

(13:27):
there to me. And that's kind of also partially the
height thing. Although I think Wolverine is five to two,
I believe someone nerdier than me able to.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Wow, we got a Wolverine reference on the show.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah, definitely won't talk about Michigan. I like them, but
we can talk about Wolverine the MCU character, but an
absolute animal against the run on short passes, he's so instinctive,
he's so quick, he attacks everything in front of him.
But then in coverage he's got that whopping twenty eight
passes broken up in five picks the last three seasons
and really at all points.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Of the field.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
There's definitely some risk reward there with him. A part
of that is him as a prospect and his physical
profile and the way he plays and okay, there's fourteen
penalties in there too, but you know what, he's still
on my guy. Even with those penalties, he's still only
allowed right. The reward of that is that he only
allowed thirty four percent of the passes to be completed.
His way for a passer writing a forty two point five,

(14:21):
And again I talked about the numbers, the play style,
the way he plays the run. They have him as
a box safety, sometimes taking on tight ends, taking on polers.
This is a guy that's five eight and not exactly
you know, going to show out in the physical prototype
in terms of size and weight and that sort of thing.
And yet he's out there doing some very very difficult
things that someone his you know, quote unquote size, really

(14:44):
should not be asked to do. But he was doing it.
So I loved watching him. I love the way he
plays definitely risk and reward. There not a guy who's
going to go in the first or second round. But
I had a ton of fun watching him. And hey,
how many times do you get to watch a Tomlinson
on film for college?

Speaker 1 (14:59):
You know?

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Not many times?

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah, we we got to watch Ladenian's nephew in a
couple of years. Well, great Antonio Gates junior, So you know,
definitely a feeling old when I saw that tweet come
across the timeline from there from Michigan State's spring game.
So you chose a corner, I'm also going to choose
a corner who I'm significantly higher on than than most people,

(15:21):
it seems, and that's Darius Rush from South Carolina, a
former wide receiver at South Carolina, so he actually did
not play cornerback. Basically, he played corner as a sophomore
in high school and didn't play it again until he
was a junior at South Carolina, so there's not a
ton of reps to him. And typically when you get

(15:41):
a cornerback prospect who is a former wide receiver, you
know there's a lot of mistakes in terms of you know,
coverage penalties or you know, not being able to match
routes at the at the highest level, or maybe there's
some you know, tackling woes because we know wide receivers
are are not typically the most physical guys unless you're
talking about like a Drake lun or somebody that really

(16:01):
wants to, you know, go at you. And that's just
not the case with Darius Rush. And you know, his
teammate Cam Smith is getting a lot of hype and
I think deserve rely so. But I think when you
watch Darius Rush, you don't see the kind of mistakes
that you see with these other kind of cornerbacks. And
he was second in the class in terms of fewest penalties.
He was fifth in the class in terms of forced

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incompletion percentage. And so there's a lot to like here
from an athletic profile standpoint, from a number standpoint, and
also from an upside standpoint. Like I said, this is
a guy who has not played cornerback for very long,
and he was already, you know, a top tier cornerback
in the SEC. He went down to the Senior Bowl
and a lot of people who were there have kind

(16:45):
of said that he was the best cornerback of the
week that week. So you know, we really see him
on tape. B I want to say, I want to
describe him as like a junk yard dog, somebody who's
just really always fighting for every single rep because I
think he knows that he has some ground to make
up from these guys who have played cornerback for you know,
seven eight years of their lives. So Darius Rush is

(17:09):
somebody that I could really see, you know, sneak into
the second round in this group. We've we've talked on
our show how stacked this cornerback group is. And Darius Rush,
I think, you know, when you're when you're kind of
looking past like Cornerback five, I think you're looking at
some guys who maybe have some some scheme question marks,
you know, like a Kille Ringo from Georgia might be

(17:31):
best suited in like a cover three press man system,
or or you know, you might be looking at somebody
who's like exclusively a slot corner, like my guy Clark
Phillips in the NFL. But Darius Rush can do a
lot of different things. And you know he even took
some reps at safety at South Carolina too for good measure.
So I love the effort that he plays with. I
love how few mistakes he is able to put out

(17:53):
on tape, and I think there's just a ton of
upside because of his lack of experience at cornerback. So
Darius Rush to somebody I'm higher on than most people
out there.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, I did not realize that Darius Rush had that
history of being a wide receiver first and then converting
from there. That's that's great. I think we both had
Rush over Smith, if I'm not mistaken. And sometimes that's
tough when you have two guys on the same team.
Sometimes you might prefer the guy who doesn't always cover
the number one because you know he's covering the number two,
so maybe things are easier. But sure, watching all the

(18:23):
games of Rush Man like he was able to do
so many things so well, he just went through the
list of all the different things that he could do,
whether it's a run, whether it's in coverage, whatever. And
there are some guys in that range, like you said,
like Ringo, maybe you're looking at like a DJ Turner,
who is a great athlete, of course, but then maybe
there's some concerns about where he plays. Does he play outside,
does he play inside? Are you worried about the height

(18:45):
that sort of thing. Someone like Rush, especially if he
falls to the third round, someone i'd love for the Chargers.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, absolutely, all right, Tyler. One more quick one here,
another player you are pounding the table four in this class.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
That would be Penn State's Giu Brown. When I saw
him line up in a three point stance and take
on a pulling guard against Michigan and dropped the running
back for a loss. I went, yeah, that guy, that's
the best thing I've seen all year. And then he
covered your ears.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Steven Weird talk about it though, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
I gotta talk about it. Embarrassed Utah's right tackle for
a sack that was incredible, knocked Cam Rising out of
the game, which I'm not condoning. I'm just saying, I'm
not saying that's a good thing, but then picked off
the backup two plays later. He is so much fun
to watch. Not exactly a physical prototype at the position.
Although he's listed as a free safety. I think he's
better as more of a strong safety closer to the

(19:36):
line of scrimmage. And if you run his ris at
strong safety, it goes up from like fiftieth percentile like
sixty seven, So you know, hey give him that. But
he was a ton of fun to watch. He's so
good at the line of scrimmage. Fifteen pressures, five sacks,
twenty seven run stops last year, to pair with ten
interceptions the last two years. I really like watching him.
I love the way he plays Again. Safety lines up

(19:59):
in three points st takes on the pulling guard and
drops off a running back for a loss at the
goal line. You really can't find anything in the draft
that's like that at safety, and there are a lot
of guys in this class who you know, people liked
him for different reasons, but I think almost overall, with
all these safeties, most of them aren't that great against
the run or they're not great tacklers. And I think

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Brown just watching him, I don't recall exactly what the
numbers are, but just watching he's one of those guys
that is excellent against the run, playing in that box.
I loved watching him. Brown is one of my guys.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, definitely like him as well. I did not rewatch
the Rose Bulls, still have not done that. I don't
think I ever met one. All Right, My last one
here is going to be Purdue tight end Pain Durham.
You know, this tight end class is absolutely stacked to
the brim with quality playmakers. We will probably see at
least two of them be first round picks in Dalton

(20:53):
Kaid and Michael Mayer. And I specifically want to talk
about Pain Durham because to me, a lot of what
you here NFL teams talking about in terms of like
NFL Draft is like, well, if we miss out on
this player earlier, who can we get later. That's kind
of similar. And to me, Paine Derham is like your
discount version of Michael Mahyer, somebody who is going to
be your typical inline, physical, dirty work tight end, but

(21:16):
can also do a lot of the receiving work as well.
You know, we saw about twenty five percent of his
snaps at Purdue come from the slot. He's able to
go out and do that, and he's got a contested
catch rate that's right up there with Michael Mayor's as well.
So he's somebody that he can work the seams, he
can work as an inline blocker, he can do some
h back stuff. I mean, this guy took a fullback

(21:37):
diver about the Senior Bowl as well, just for good measure.
So I think there's a lot of versatility there, somebody
that Kellen Moore would have a lot of fun with.
And you know, he's not the most explosive athletic tight
end in this class. You know a lot of those
guys will go earlier than him. But when it comes
to you know, day three, if the charters have not missed,
if they have not been able to find a tight end.

(21:57):
Pain Durham is somebody I think, would you know, come
in and really be able to marry the run game
in the past game like Brandon Staley has talked about
a lot this offseason. So he plays like somebody whose
name is pain, Like he wants to hurt you as
much as he possibly can within the legal rules of football.
So he's somebody who's a lot of fun to watch
and I think he checks a good amount of boxes

(22:19):
for teams who want like a Day three, physical blocking
tight end who can also offer some receiving upside as well.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, he's on my list of my guys. I wasn't
sure how many we'd get to, but Payon Durham was
one of those guys and also just an underrated guy.
There are several tight ends in this class. Maybe it's
because of the tight end class overall, but these guys
are really, really solid. I totally get that. But Durham
isn't all that different than most of them, and frankly,
I think he's better than some of them. Yet you

(22:46):
see him at one eighty or two hundred on boards
and I just don't buy that. And that was a
great comparison to Michael Mayer. I believe the difference between
them and yards after the catch per perception is zero
point two yards. Maybe I'm making that up. I don't know,
but neither of them are exis yack guys, not speed guys,
maybe not like a Will Mallory type for example, but
both really solid players. And I love that way of

(23:07):
looking at things. I know Brett Coleman for example, and
them on the Bootleg Football podcast they do another guys
sort of thing where if you can't get this guy
in round one, round two, who can you get later?
And Pain Durham is a guy I always circle back to.
If I don't get someone in the first three rounds,
I can always get Pain Durham two rounds later and
feel almost just as good.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah. I think when it comes to the Chargers specifically,
you know, we know that. Excuse me, Jerald Everrett is
going to be that big wide receiver almost he can
he can block for sure, you know in the regard
Donald Parham does a lot of the inline stuff too,
But they need somebody who can you know, add some
some in terms of the blocking game, and I think
Pain Durham would do that. I think Michael Mayer would
do that as well for what it's worth. Absolutely all right,

(23:48):
So let's get to the bulk of our show here,
you know, and that is our final mock draft of
the cycle. We're going to try and attack this with
a predictive sense in terms of just instead of picking
the guys that we all really like, you know, we
are going to try and you know, put our Tom
to Lasco, Brandon stay camps on and figure out potentially

(24:10):
who might be you know, the ultimate pick come Thursday night,
Friday night. We're also going to talk about some trade
down selections as well if that ultimately comes up. So, Tyler,
let's get let's get started here. I can't wait to
do our final mock draft of the cycle.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Absolutely, here we go, all.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Right, So let's go over really quickly who came off
the board before the Chargers picked, and then we'll look
at some of the options that are on the board.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Some guys that went off the board, and one of
them being Zay Flowers went to the Seahawks at twenty,
So there goes that entire discussion. Dalton Kincaid at eighteen
to the Lions. That's a lot of fun. Miles Murphy
to the Packers, Quinton Johnston to the Patriots and Jackson
Smith and Jigba to the Titans, which hurts my soul
a bit. That's okay, and then Lucas van Nest the Eagles,

(24:58):
which I believe is picking up some team. So you
want to talk about who is left, and we're looking at,
of course, Bijon Robinson, Jordan Addison, Brian Branch, Michael Mayer,
Kalijah Canci, Brian Brazzy, Jamior Gibbs, and Will McDonald. That
feels like kind of the cut off there for guys
they'd be looking at.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, so this is an interesting scenario. I do think
Will Levis, who's on the board here, will ultimately be
off the board at this point. But this is exactly
what you're looking for in terms of potential trade down scenarios, right, Like,
I think a lot of us would have a hard
time with them trading off of Jon Robinson. But maybe
in this instance you could call the Buffalo Bills and say, hey,
come offer us your third round pick, we'll move down

(25:37):
and we can maybe get some kind of impact player
at twenty seven. You know, the Cowboys of course need
a running back in the post. Ezekiel Elliott World. So
I think a lot of Like I said me personally,
I would have a hard time passing on Jon Robinson
in this kind of scenario. But I do think, you know,
having him, Jordan Andison, Darnell Wright, these guys who some

(25:59):
of these teams in the back half of the twenties
might be vying for, might be a real possible trade
down scenario, which Brandon Staley and Tom Telesco I've talked
about a few times in this cycle so far.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, I don't know all the needs of every team,
but someone like the Bills, like you mentioned, is a
great call for Addison, someone like Darnell Right, maybe Michael Mayer,
depending on what the Bengals want. So there are definitely
some options there. I would love to slide to about
twenty seven or later. So twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine,
thirty read Daniel Popper's article from The Athletic. Plenty of

(26:31):
different scenarios there. So in most instances, I'm screaming to
trade down because I would love to trade down. The
Chargers need it, you know, Herbert's about to get his
big deal at some point. Yeah, and you're going to
need more rookies and frankly, if all you did was
get a sixth rounder out of trading down, I'd be
happy because look at who the Charges have taken in

(26:52):
the sixth round the last couple of years. I mean,
I'd love to get another shot at a Jamari Sallier
or Jah Tailor like they just did this past season.
So ye, you know, of course I'd like more than that.
I would love a top seventy five pick. I'd love
a third rounder, but even if you trade down a
little bit, I'd be happy with that. With that said,
if Bejon Robinson is here at twenty one, I do
not believe for one second the Chargers would move off

(27:13):
of that pick.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah, this is something that we've talked a lot about
in terms of the athletic aspect of how the Chargers
do business in the first round in particular, and you
look at how important the athletic testing is to the Chargers,
and we've seen that over the past few years, past
few past few years, whether that's obviously the recently Zion
and Rashaan Slater, but also Kenneth Murray was an elite

(27:36):
ARIS tester. You know, Derwin James obviously another elite ARIS
score for himself. So the Chargers have really prioritized elite
athleticism in the first round. I think it's one of
the reasons why they've been able to have a lot
of success in the first round under Tom Telasco. And
you've pointed this out several times as well, Like idealing
in the first round, you're looking for a player who

(27:57):
has that combination of the athletic test of the character
of the elite film so to speak. And also you know,
like the position value we can talk about, but you know,
I think of the players on this board, the only
one who checks all of those boxes is Bjon Robinson.
Like I know that there's a lot of people out

(28:18):
there who kind of devalue the running back position. And
you know, the Chargers have Austin Eckler and we can
certainly talk about that that as well. But to me,
if Bijon's on the board, like that's a no brainer,
I'm sprinting that card in because he checks so many
boxes for them. And yes, you could point it from
a well, this is taking the ball out of justin
Herbert's hands, so to speak. But both Eckler and b

(28:40):
Jon Robinson can work as as as receivers. You know,
the coaches at Texas wanted to really emphasize Bjon's ability
to run routes from from the receiving room. And when
you have a guy like Roshan Johnson as your running mate,
like you're able to do that. But you know, there
are some reps against Iowa State in particular, where he's
in the slot running a post route right or against

(29:02):
Alabama where he's running a wheel route from the backfield.
And I think that Kellen Moore would have so much
fun being able to utilize Beijon Robinson as a chess piece,
not just a stereotypical running back. And I think that's
how a lot of anti running back types really need
to view Bejon. He's not just like he's not a

(29:23):
ground and pound running back, Like he can do so
many different things for you. So ultimately, if he is
on the board for the Chargers, I think you absolutely
have to sprint this card in and select him.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
I would one percent agree. And in this case, you know,
if there's an edge rusher here, different conversation. But I
just don't believe that. I mean, there's a lot of
connections to Addison. Of course, I like the player a
lot both of us do. He would be an excellent
addition to the Chargers. I just they have to show
me that they're willing to change the way they've drafted
or signed receivers in the past for me to believe

(29:55):
that they'll actually do this. So if they take Addison
or they take Zay Flowers, if he's there, I'll go, hey, okay,
now I know that they are willing to do that.
But you know, someone like Zay Flowers with height or Addison,
I mean Jordan Adison. They're prototype at wide receivers I
think like two hundred and three pounds, and that's including
Kellen Moore's receivers as well. And Jordan Adison is one
seventy one. That's one pound lighter than Travis Benjamin. No shade,

(30:18):
like hey, cool light, heavy, whatever. It's just not what
the Chargers have been doing in the draft. Now, I
get it. Why would they do the same things they've
been doing. Why would they go after another, you know,
bigger type. I totally get those questions. But until the
Chargers are ready to look at the receiver position differently,
or at least in terms of the guys that they
select or sign, I got to assume that Addison, while

(30:42):
a fantastic player, is not really as much in consideration here.
And frankly, I do believe there's enough guys later on
where I'm okay passing on him, of course, Branch, So yeah,
to me, this is Bejon Robinson.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah. I think if you trade down and Addison's still there,
I think that becomes more of a conversation. But in
this instance, we're gonna take Beijon and be very with
this pick.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah, listen, we're just pandering to the new audience who
found us on here. If we didn't pick Bijon, we'd
be kicked off the stream immediately.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
So yeah, you know, and if it's right, and if
it's with the theme channel, right, we know Matt money
Smith and Chris Harry love the potential of adding Bijon
Robinson as well. All Right, so pick fifty four here,
let's look at some players recently off the board. Obviously
two belowtu right there for the Bears, and then we'll
look at add it to mian At Cody Mak the

(31:29):
offensive tackle from not from North Dakota State, almost a
Notre Dame there, Felix Andre d ku Ozama, who's somebody
I would really like to be there at fifty four,
Steve Avila, Keon White, Bijono Jeli, So lots are not
Bijon bj Ojalari, So a little bit of a run
on edge Rusher here. So Tyler, let's go. Let's look
at some options here at fifty four.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Okay, so some of the options available in terms of
the consensus board. Linebacker Drew Sanders, running back Zach Sharboney,
safety Antonio Johnson, ed rusher Isaiah Foski. There's your no connection,
Julius Brent, who would be awesome here as well, Ed
rusher Derek Hall, who I do believe fits some of
their physical prototypes. Keanu Benton, who's getting a lot of buzz.
Sam Laporta. Of course, there's a lot of really good

(32:12):
players here. We can specifically look at a different position
if you want, but those are the guys really in
the consensus board.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, let's look at wide receiver because I know that
there's a lot of love out there for this wide
receiver class too. So looks like we got your guy,
Sedric Tillman on here. Marra Mims, so we mentioned briefly
on the show earlier, Tank Dell that's Nathaniel Dell, Tyler Scott,
Jonathan Mingo at Perry Jane Reed. So this is really

(32:38):
why I'm a big proponent personally of not taking a
wide receiver in the first round, because you can get
a board like this and have a lot of different
options here. So, Tyler, where are you potentially focusing at
in terms of wide receiver for the Chargers here.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
There's been something in my brain for weeks now, and
it's only gotten worse and worse. That's Jonathan Mingo here.
Although when we lasted our mock draft with Chargers wire,
I was like, yeah, I can wait for him in
the fourth round. That's fine, he'll be there now. Daniel
Jeremiah is talking about him as a potential first rounder.

(33:14):
I don't know if that's going to happen, but there
are there are so many receivers even just looking here,
there are so many good receivers here. I'm sure Josh
Downs went a bit earlier too. There's so many good
receivers here, but they all have some size question marks.
Even if you love some of these players. I have
Marvin Mims over Jonathan Mingo, right, I have someone over Mingo. Obviously,

(33:35):
these guys are great players, but you worry about that
size profile. To me, Mingo just checks so many of
the Chargers boxes, both in terms of the physical profile
as well as just kind of what they're lacking. And
I'm obviously going for Mingo here, so I might as
well talk about him if you. Unfortunately, on screens last season,

(33:56):
I noticed that Josh Palmer had a concussion on one,
and Keenan on FuMB against the Chiefs on another one,
and Mike Williams fractured his back on another screen. I'd
love for Mingo to try those out, because I do
think he presents a physical type in terms of speed
and twitch that I think is maybe more desirable for
those situations. He hit, as someone posted today, twenty two

(34:18):
point one miles per hour I believe, which was ninety
ninth percentile. It was that goball against Vanderbilt, which of
course the quarterback underthrew. He caught it at the one
yard line, so good for him, but wasn't a touchdown there. Yeah,
you want a shallow crosser, some guy with yak, some
guy who can take a screen, you name it. I
can point you to any different part of a film

(34:38):
of the film on some different game where he's doing
something that I just think the Chargers are lacking at
this point, and you get to continue to have your
Keenanan do what he does and Mike Williams do what
he does, and Josh Palmer can continue to develop. Someone
like Mingo you can add to the room and do
so much with him without having to compromise the development
of a Josh Palmer or the investment you've made in

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Keenan and Mike. Mingo is someone who can round out
your boom, do so many things for you while again
not compromising the investments you've made in the receiver position.
If anything, it just complements it perfectly.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah. From a science profile standpoint, from a physical profile standpoint,
Mingo definitely stands out in this class. You know, his
ability to get vertical against press and against off coverage
is really something that has stood out to me. He
was a big Senior Bowl standout as well, and we
know that that is a very important aspect to the
Charges and how they do business under Tom Telesco. So

(35:33):
Mingo is definitely in consideration here. I do want to
look briefly at the cornerback class. If we could go
to that group, obviously DJ Turner and Julius Brants, Tyreek Stevenson,
Clark Phillips here, so Darius Rush my guy who I
mentioned earlier today. So this is a really stacked cornerback group.
And you know, we have kind of talked about the

(35:55):
potential of the Chargers looking at cornerback earlier than people
might think, because of Michael Davis being a free agent
next year, because of j C. Jackson potentially starting the
year not at one hundred percent. So I mean, he's
been looking great in his recovery videos. He posted a
video earlier last week of him running for the first time,

(36:16):
So hoping for the best there. But from the Chargers perspective,
you know, we know how much brand and say the
values cornerback here. So I'm tempted. I'm really tempted to
take Julius Brents from Kansas State the cornerback who could
give them just a different kind of size profile, physicality
profile at the cornerback position. Could be your heir apparent

(36:37):
to Michael Davis after next season. So I I would
my heart would tell me mingo. But I do think
there's a little part of my brain that's saying, like, hey,
the Chargers might look at cornerback in this in this
scenario two.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah, Brents is definitely that player. If he falls that,
I think they would certainly consider just a physical prototype
again at the position, someone that they would look at
and say, hey, that's like fits what we want to do,
and he doesn't have to be the guy day one,
that sort of thing. So it really just comes down
to the big question of how is JC progressing. Is
he going to be available by week four, in which

(37:11):
case you have three starters, or is this going to
be an entire season of him not getting completely healthy? Yeah,
then maybe heading into the postseason he's finally got the
reps underneath him. I don't know. If it were a
more catastrophic I guess a worse outlook prognosis for one J. C. Jackson,
then maybe I would consider Brent's here more over Mingo.

(37:35):
But I'm still looking at a receiver at this point.
Although there is a decent shot you can get Mingo
in this simulation. You can get him in round three,
so I wouldn't mind doing that because Brents isn't going
to be there in round three. In the simulation, Mingo
is going to be there. Or potentially could be there
in round three. But if you look at ESPN's analytics model,
there's only an eight percent chance that Mingo is going

(37:56):
to be there in round three. So even though on
this board he he's eighty fourth or whatever he is,
there's only eight percent chance he's going to be there. Now,
do you have to take Mingo? Is your entire draft
built around taking him? I don't think so. I just
I have a hard time passing up someone who fits
the Chargers I think so well, and checks all of
their boxes because as we get to you know, some

(38:18):
later points. Yes, there are some guys who fit their
physical prototype, let's say at Perry or even later like
Bryce Ford Wheaton. Those guys fit what they're looking for.
I just don't know that compliments the room. And then
I don't really know if someone like Mims or Tyler
Scott or Tank Dell are some of the Chargers would
be interested in. So to me, it's wide receiver or
its corner. Maybe an edge rusher if he's here, Someone

(38:41):
like Isaiah Fosky, you know who, I think should be
talked about more as an option for the Chargers. I
know people aren't a huge fan but hey, productive player
fits their prototype, fits what they would want. Went to
Notre Dame is really good against the run. I understand
why they took him here too. So really what we're
talking about here is a premium position after running back.
You have to invest in those premium positions because that's important.

(39:04):
And we saw last year the Chargers, you know, not
have the hottest season because of you know, corner deficits
or edge rushers or wide receivers. So I think investing
in either of those year is great. I'll defer to
you on this one. If you want Brent, I'm totally
happy with that. He's ahead of Mingo on my big board,
so I would get it. So I'll defer to you
on this one.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah, really quickly. In terms of the edge rushers, I
think if you miss out on the first one in
a first rounder, I think you probably are waiting and
maybe you know, calling convent oily back up after the
draft and saying like, hey, come come back. We'll do
the same thing with you as last year, and then
you address your long term need there later on in
the drafter or next year. So for me, like I'm

(39:45):
trying to become a more explosive team and that that
can be accomplished through getting a cornerback who can give
you some more interceptions, more hands on the footballs, or
you can talk about a wide receiver. So I know
that he's lower. I do think that Mingo would ultimately
be a strong consideration here, and just you know, take
this offense up a completely different notch with Jon Robinson

(40:08):
and Mingo. So it's not gonna give us the best
draft grade here, but with how much smoke there is
about him potentially being like even a first round first
round player. Yeah, if you want Mingo, you gotta take
him in fifty four. And I think both of us
feel the same way that we we really want Mingo
on this offense.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, this is a player that was in like the
one fifties a month and a half ago, and now
he's already at eighty four and I'm sure he'll keep
creeping up into the seventies by the time we get
to draft night. I'm happy with Mingo here. Yeah, go
watch some of him. He's fantastic. C plus yeah yeah,
my math grade, let's do this.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Yeah, the only C plus I ever got in high
school was in pre calculus, So you know math is hard.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Oh okay, the only C plus. Sorry someone, I was
a B student.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
I was a B student. I was not like a
four point zero guy, but you know I could do
just enough. All right, let's let's look at some again
some options here. We'll pick up the pace a little
bit now that we're through the top fifty options. Here.
You can see on your screen here for those watching
Sean Tucker, looks like there's a bit of a running
back run here, So that is the case here. Tyler Scott,

(41:13):
the wide wide receiver from Cincinnati, still on the board.
He's a smaller guy, but I think he could help
the Chargers and potentially give them some return ability as well.
I saw Tyreek Stevens in the cornerback from Miami. There,
Tucker Craft the tight end from South Dakota. So some
good options here. Again, I do think the offensive playmaker standpoint.

(41:35):
I love Day two in terms of adding to the offense. So, Tyler,
where are you looking at here? I know we've talked
about potentially adding a defensive line in round three or
maybe you know, and center of the future is something
that Chargers fans have really kind of highlighted. So where
are you at here with pick eighty five.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, I didn't take a dB before I got to
take one pretty soon, and it certainly depends on who's there.
I think both of us have Antonio Johnson over D'artavius Martin,
but Johnson here, Martin here, even Sidney Brown here. To
an extent, I think Chris Smith definitely fits the free
safety prototype for Brandon Stale, and of course working or
playing for Georgia, that makes sense. I didn't watch Battle,

(42:15):
so I can't actually comment on him, but here, you
know a corner would be good. You watch Stevenson and Williams,
so I'd have to defer to you on that one.
Of course, Hodges Tomlinson is there, but I don't think
that's where they go here, So to me, I do
think we have to go defense. I do think you
can wait just a tiny bit more for tight end
if we didn't get one of those first Kropa guys
or second crop of guys. Edge rusher on this board

(42:38):
is a bit dicey. Zach Harrison is an athlete for sure,
but doesn't quite fit what the Chargers we're looking for.
So the best players available here I think are the safeties,
and maybe Tuckercraft. I do think Dravon Dexter is in
play for them. Not the longest dryms, but he's very,
very tall and great against the run, So I think
that's in consideration. But to me, I'd love a defensive
back Yeard, what do you think?

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yeah? I agree. I think at this point you are
again doing the Calvin O. I think in terms of
the edge rushers, because I think Zach Harrison, we both
really like him, but it doesn't really like fit, so
to speak, like a three four outside linebacker edge type.
Right that, obviously the Chargers will be running here, so
I'm going through the cornerback room. I think there is

(43:20):
a chance you could maybe see them reach for like
a Cayu Blue Kelly in the assistance. I think he
is pretty similar to like a Jaw Taylor. But I
love the ability to potentially take Tyreek Stevenson, who's a bigger,
more physical corner. Maybe put him in the slot full time.
That is something he did at Georgia. Maybe put him
as a hybrid safety slot kind of player here. Give

(43:41):
the Chargers some more size in the slot. So that's
something that we've really focused in on in this class,
is getting more size into the room alongside Michael Davis,
and I think Tyrek Stevenson could check that box. And
then next year, you know, you put him outside in
place of Michael Davis. So I'm going with Tyrek Stevens
in here, if that's my choice.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Sounds good, I believe you. It sounds like he's great.
I did not watch him, but I defer to you,
and we're not typically too far off anyway, So yeah,
Stevenson for me, sounds good to me.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
All right, let's go corner here and then fourth round
is gonna be really interesting to see how the board
plays out. Again, we have not taken a tight end
at this point. Chargers do need some intier offensive line
help as well as some into your defensive line help
at this point too, So it's gonna be interesting to
see who ultimately is on the board at this point.
So for our audio audience, so far, we got Bejon

(44:32):
Robinson the first round, Jonathanmingo, the wide receiver from Ole
Miss in the second round, and the cornerback from Tyber
Stevenson just now at pick eighty five.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Alrighty, thank you for your trade offers. We're not going
to take them, all righty, Okay, so we have our
running back of a bute receiver, we have our corner.
I'm glad we took a defensive back. I'm curious how
they feel about the safety room overall, especially in terms
of free safety. But at this point, let's look at
the tight ends. Luke scoon Maker Zach Koons I think
are both player here. Obviously, Yeah, I almost feel like

(45:02):
the Chargers would prefer Schoonmaker here over Coons, even if
he's maybe has a higher grade. But Schoonmaker is more
that traditional inline blocking type. Coons I think can do that,
and it's not like it wasn't his role, but I
trust Schoonmaker for that more, and so I think that
they might be looking at him here in terms of
tight end. Who else is available? We have our receiver,
but you could consider Jaden Reid corner Eli Ricks.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
I would say really quickly, sorry to cut you off.
Nick Herbig from Wisconsin is interesting to me. He has
played some edge rusher at Wisconsin. He's kind of that
kind of profile that Wisconsin really likes to do, so
they kind of do like a three three five defense
that's in vogue. So he can play off the ball,
he can play as an edge rusher that might be

(45:48):
kind of like a Kyle van Noy replacement in terms
of somebody younger. You know, Drew Sanders is probably that
guy earlier, if you want to take one earlier, at
maybe fifty four. So Nick Herbig is least worth talking
about for me. I don't know if you've watched him yet,
but he does have some of that calvan Oi versatility
that I think would kind of fill a role for them.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, I have not watched him. What is his RIS profile,
do you know? Because it tends to be that range,
that fourth fifth round range which a LESCo takes an athletic.
Not that he's a linebacker, but linebacker. So okay, not
the tallest guy, but good speed grade. Don't get much
on him there, didn't let to do a lot of testing. Okay. Interesting,
I have not watched her Big, so maybe I'll just

(46:28):
defer to you again.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
I think it's worth talking about. I'm not taking a
linebacker here if that's my wish.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Oh, okay, then move on. We can find some other
guys later. I do like some more of the athletic
linebackers later too.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Yeah, I think at this point where I would ideally
look at an intier offensive lineman or an intier defensive lineman. Okay,
a little beef up the middle if we could.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yeah, definitely, So interior offensive line Voorhies can't contribute this year,
so I get it. But also I'm worried Strongberg is
a guy in the future. Brayden Daniels, there's your guy,
John Gaines again two and twenty six.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Odd there, mcclennan Curtis, who They've done a lot of
homework in terms of the Chargers scouts there. I think
the Chargers need some more pass rush from the interior.
So I'm pretty interested in taking a shot on Moro Ojomo.
I think the film can be a little choppy at times,
but you just mentioned, you know, athletic profile somebody that
could come in and learn from Morgan Fox, So I

(47:25):
would say him or one of the one of the
guards like Gaines or Brandon Daniels.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Okay, well, you are the resident Trenches guy, so once
again I will defer to you on this one.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Oh come on, I don't want this to be you decide.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
It depends, because do I want to get a talk.
Let me take out the tackles real quick, like when
we go for Nick Saldaveri instead. I almost feel better
about that because I think the Chargers need to tackle
more than someone like get into your offensive lineman. Not
that Saldeverari can't do it. He did it last year
against Virginia. I'd be more comfortable with that than an
into your offensive lineman. And the d tackles here I'm

(48:02):
not a huge fan of not that there's a great
I don't know most of these guys past them, so
maybe you like some of these guys better, but I'd
kind of rather go with someone like Saldivarry, who we
talked about before. It checks a lot of boxes for
the Chargers, especially here at Ron four.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah, smaller school tackle for sure, but it has a
lot of things, like we just highlighted him earlier on
our show this week. So okay, let's let's do Salivary.
Let's do uh an offensive tackle for the for the
Chargers to back up Trey Pipkins and Rashawn Slater.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Cool. Sounds good. I mean, it's it was rough last
year without some investment, let's say, so, I'd be happy
with that.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yeah, all already, then, Tyler, what are you thinking here?
We uh again have not taken a tight end yet
Zach Koontz is right there. I see Dorian Williams, the
athletic linebacker from uh I'm totally blanking right now, Tulane
tu Lane kJ Henry as well ed Dresher from Clemson.

(49:04):
So what are you thinking here?

Speaker 2 (49:06):
I because this is the last round I'm going to
get him. I would consider Zachary koons here. But do
you feel like he's enough of an inline blogger to
distinguish himself? I guess in the fifth round it doesn't
matter as much. Do you feel like he's enough of
a fit considered?

Speaker 1 (49:19):
I would say he's he's more of a big slot
right now. But he's six seven, he's two hundred and
fifty pounds. I think you could get the tight end
coaching staff to work with him a little bit more.
He certainly has the profile to become a blocker. And
you know we've seen Donald Parms make some real strides there.
So can you pull up the whole tight end table,

(49:40):
let's see who who ultimately is there? In general? So
Brenton Strange more of kind of your Stephen Anderson type
of tight end if you're looking for that guy. Same
with Brandon Willis Cameron Lotto. I think are are similar
types there, Payne Durham, who I talked about, so Zach
Kuons in terms of an athletic profile standpoint, I think

(50:00):
with the tight end position, you generally want to take
chances on day three guys who have, you know, high
athletic profiles, and Zach Kuons is quite literally the most
athletic tight end at the combine history. So I'm cool
with taking Koons here.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Cool, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
So reuniting Salvavary and Zach Kuonz here in this mock draft.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Yeah, and oh gosh, he's the tight end currently on
the roster converted quarterback.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Oh Stone Smart, that's right, there you go, there you go.
So we're pumping up the old Dominion pipeline.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Now, yeah, you know Georgia Lsu Old Dominion.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Right, all right, So we got sixth round here and
seventh round. I would say, maybe let's take a glance
at Edge Rusher and see if our guy Nick Hampton
is there. All right, So there he is. If you're
a fan of Nolan Smith, I think you should be
a fan of Nick Campton on day three. So that's
a pretty quick one for me. Tyler, I know you

(50:55):
like Nick Campton as well.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yeah, that's fine by me. I don't know if he
fits their physical prototypes as much, but he's kind of
a tweener in terms of ed rusher linebacker type. They
had him blitzing from the slot sometimes, so a lot
you can do, you know, Robert Beale junior because the
Georgia connection. Maybe the Chargers will consider that because that
fits more of their prototype. But I think Nick Hampton
here in terms of what he can do and just
frankly in terms of the upside and film like, he's

(51:18):
a third round grade from me and we're talking about
round six year. I'm happy with him. I know, simwhere
could Beino borc has from Chargers while I was cheering,
I'm cool with Nick Campton.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Yeah, let's do that one.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Cool. Go watch the North Carolina game, guys.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
It was fun, absolutely all right. I think this is
obligatory time to talk about a potential QB two of
the future. We'll see how that board pans out. Even
you know, with with Hampton, though, I feel good about
potentially not taking a linebacker here because he can, like
you said, he can kind of do both of those things.

(51:51):
We have not taken a running back yet either, so
I definitely want to glance with h we took Bejon.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
I'm sorry, Well, he's not just a running back, that's
why not just a running back?

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Okay, so let's look at quarterback, and then let's let's
take a glance at adding a potential return receiver there instead.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Okay, I have much a single quarterback, nor have I
watched college football even live, so I got it.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Uh we, Well, we know the Chargers have met with
Max Duggan at the pro day, according to uh shoot,
what was is her name right now? Miss Slater who
covers the Cowboys for NFL Network, Stetson Bennett. I think,
for obvious reasons, probably off the Chargers board. So I
think if they do take a quarterback, it would probably
be Max dug in here. But we also know the

(52:36):
Chargers are trying to replace DeAndre Carter. So let's take
a quick glance at a wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Okay, so wide receiver, I haven't I don't know much
about all the returners. Darius Davis obviously somebody we've talked about.
If he's here, Malik Knowles, but looks like he's gone,
so never mind.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
I think I just saw him.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Nope, I think he is gone. I think somebody snatched
him up. There goes that one. He's gone, all right?

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Interesting moving up the board here, So Jalen Cropper from
Fresno State is interesting to me. I think he would
be gone much sooner than this, but that's probably where
I would go. Here.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Is he the one who played with Kellen Moore's brother.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Yes, him, and Niko Ramichio is also on the board.
Played with Kellen Moore's younger brother at Fresno State. So
Jalen Cropper is definitely more of a refined receiver. He
could be somebody who goes much earlier than this because
his ability as an explosive receiver, mostly from the slot
at Fresno State. Rimikio is like straight up like special

(53:43):
Teams only, so Cropper gives you a little bit of both. Here,
Darius Davis, if he's on the board, I can remember
if he was there or not, But same kind of thing.
I think it gives you a little bit of both.
So Landers from Arkansas definitely fits the physical profile. He's
like six ' four, runs four to two nine or
whatever something crazy. So I'll let you pick this one.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Tyler yeah, Landers. If we didn't go for a bigger
receiver early on and I wanted to find someone with Morrisize,
that'd be Landers. Not the thickest looking guy, but he's
still two hundred pounds. He just happened to be six
four and a half or whatever. He is an outstanding blocker,
one of my favorite blockers in the entire draft. So
if Ryan Fickham was looking for someone who has some
returner potential but can also block as well on special teams,

(54:27):
that'd be great. You know, because the kickoff returned, the
blocking maybe it wasn't the greatest, like the overall numbers
for the kickoff returns because of Carter, because of blocking whatever,
weren't so great last year. So I could see them
upgrading there. It was Joshua Kelly and Xander Horvath blocking,
but then Kelly sort of got hurt and I think
or took on a bigger role as well. Horvath got
hurt as well, so at some point it was Michael

(54:47):
Bandy out there, so they definitely could trust a receiver
out there again with someone like Matt Landers, although he's
very different receiver than Michael Bandy, but because of the
connection to Kellen Moore or his brother, I should say,
because of what you said about Cropper, I'm happy to
go with him.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Yeah, absolutely, let's do that. I feel really good about
this draft, although maybe some players who might not be
at this specific spot. So just to recap here quickly,
I know we're running a little bit short on time.
We've got B Jhon Robinson in the first round, Jonathan Miinga,
the receiver from Ole Miss at fifty four, Tyreek Stevenson
in the corner from Miami at eighty five, Nick's out

(55:27):
of the very offensive tackle from Old Dominion at one
twenty five, reuniting him with his former teammate Zach Koontz
the tight end at one fifty six, Nick Hampton, pass
rusher slash linebacker from Appalachian State. I know, Daniel Jeremy
I am probably happy about that one. And then Jalen Cropper,
the wide receiver from Fresent State at two thirty nine. So, Tyler,

(55:48):
how do you feel about this draft? Great?

Speaker 2 (55:50):
I'm so excited for everyone to agree with us one
hundred percent. The good news is we took B. John Robinson,
So I think we're okay. Like our floors a beam
plus here, I think, yeah, absolutely, Yeah, you really like
this group overall. I do like the idea that also
that we're just pursuing. I don't know about Cropper specifically,
but most of these guys have very solid, if not
elite RIS scores, which is really good too. I think

(56:11):
finding some of these guys who are also great athletes, like, oh,
you know, being a good athlete in the NFL, good idea, Tyler.
But I do think that that was nice to consider, Like,
these are also good players, good prospects at their positions,
but they're also high end athletes to guys who clock in.
I mean, geez, Nick Koon or Zach Kuon excuse me,
you know, ten ras that sort of thing. So yeah,
I like it. I like it a lot. And we've

(56:32):
come a long way from kind of just guessing on
three players from our first mock. So yeah, I like
this one.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Yeah. Definitely put it on a lot of work to
make this happen. So I feel good about this. I'm
excited to see none of these picks ultimately come to
fruition outside of maybe Jonathan Mingo. Mingo Definitely, I feel
more confident about happening than the other selections on here.
So Yeah, that's that's our first episode on the Chargers channel,
So hopefully you guys enjoyed that. Again, make sure and

(56:59):
subscribe to the channel here, and make sure to subscribe
to our channel on the Guiltiest Charge Podcast where you
can find that anywhere you find your podcast. So Tyler,
appreciate your time tonight. Again, cannot thank the Chargers enough
for reaching out to us and making this partnership happen.
We are so excited to be on your feeds as
the listeners, as the viewers on Tuesdays from now on.

(57:22):
It's gonna be a great partnership with us and them,
and I'm excited to be able to be a part
of the family. So cannot thank them again enough. And
we will see you guys next week for our draft
recap where we will ultimately look at some grades for
the how the Chargers draft to panned out. So we'll
see you then. Let's going to do it.