November 11, 2025 • 18 mins
Welcome to a brand new clip from Market Mondays! In this insightful conversation, Rashad Bilal connects with David Shands and Ian Dunlap to discuss the emotional ups and downs of trading options, the importance of having an exit strategy, and how new traders can navigate the roller coaster of market sentiment. David Shands shares his real-time journey as a content creator stepping into options trading, walking us through his experience with AMD calls and the lessons he learned from previous earnings season traumas (Netflix, anyone?). The hosts dig deep into essential strategies, highlighting why setting profit targets and mapping out positions before investing is crucial for long-term success. Ian Dunlap breaks down the logic behind buying time, analyzing sector sentiment for semiconductors, and explores the bullish momentum around AI stocks like AMD, Nvidia, and ASML. This clip isn’t just about numbers—it’s about mindset. Whether you’re wondering when to sell, how to use AI like ChatGPT as a mentor, or what kinds of daily briefings can help you stay on top of your investments, you’ll find practical advice here. See how David’s journey reflects the experiences of so many new traders, and how thoughtful planning can help you avoid rookie mistakes, take profits, and grow your confidence. Don’t miss the moment where Ian talks about stacking options, leveraging innovation cycles, and accounting for tax implications in your investing decisions. Plus, find out which stocks David currently holds in his portfolio, and some candid discussions about missed Bitcoin opportunities and lessons learned! If you’re an options newbie or seasoned investor looking for community, mentorship, and real trading stories, this Market Mondays clip delivers wisdom, laughter, and learning. *Drop your thoughts and trading questions in the comments below! Make sure to subscribe for more clips following real journeys and actionable advice from Market Mondays.* *Hashtags:* #MarketMondays #OptionsTrading #StockMarket #TradingJourney #AMD #Nvidia #ASML #Investing #FinancialFreedom #IanDunlap #RashadBilal #DavidShands #Crypto #Bitcoin #AIStocks #PortfolioBuilding #WealthMindset
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I wanted to continue to cover what's up my brother.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
You and month for real show at this point.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Oh yeah, absolutely, man, listen, I am listen, y'all. Haven't
need to add a testimony or something.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Bro right now, First, Dave share something my brother So, Dave, So,
we had a conversation offline. But you know, I think
that what you said is vitally important because I'm pretty
sure it's a lot of people that kind of feel
the same way. So I'll give I'll give the audience
(00:38):
the background. They're not familiar Dave Shance. This was six
months ago, maybe January January and Dave Shant I walked
Dave Shance through his first option play.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
He never made an option play before, right absolutely. I
was like, Yo, what typic like? You didn't know?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Like but long story short, he got into an AMD
call and the AMD call was a rollercoaster. It was up,
then it was down, then it was down more, then
it was down really bad. He stayed with it. He
called me a few times accent should he sell? He
was like, Yo, if you sell, let me know because
I'm in a call with him.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Can we add a piece of this story, dude, I'm
getting the call like, Yo, Bro, you shore about this.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I didn't pick up, bro, Like, like, Yo, what we're doing?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Bro?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Just trust me on this one. Just trust me.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So fast forward to now he's up three hundred How
much you up? Three hundred and what?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Well today? I'm down fifteen dollars percentage wise? How much
you up since you've been in I want all, I
asked him.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
You got two plaques on the wall talking about I'm
down for fifty dollars.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Let me hate, but I'm up three hundred and seventy percent,
twenty two thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Things are happening right now. Giving a dollar, okay, just
say hello, thank you.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Queshana's a three hundred and thirty eight percent in less
than one year.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
But you had a vital you text me today and
you was concerned about AMD going into earnings.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
So you said, should you sell?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
So this is something that, like I said, a lot
of people knowing when to sell is something that a
lot of people have questions about making three hundred percent
and not wanting to lose money is a valid concern
for sure. So these are all things that I'm sure
a lot of people have the same questions about, right
(02:40):
and you. I just think it's dope because you're a
content creator and you're in the space and you're learning
in real time. So we're going to talk about our
advice to you. But what's your emotions right now? As
far as this option trade?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So far, I have earning this call past trauma. Bro,
I've experienced trauma in what.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Netflix?
Speaker 6 (03:02):
Bro?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Netflix? Look you hear me. But that's how with your trauma,
let's fix your life.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
And video earnings and Netflix earnings are different from a
m D, so I know that pain is still there.
But first and foremost, when you got into the option,
did you know what percentage game you wanted to get
before you acted it?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You asked me this in front of people? Here, these
are like be how to see his conversations? Bro, Welcome
to shot new segment trader there, No, I did not.
This is the trading hot seat might be a showy No,
(03:50):
I didn't know. I didn't.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Okay, Well, you know the earnings cooked a lot of people.
Meta notoriously. I mean they just dropped eighty dollar was
last week? Before that? Meta, they had the worst drop
in history a few years ago. A few years ago,
so that that earnings can definitely hurt, especially if it's options,
(04:14):
because whatever you feel in the stock, you want to
field three times more in options call. So okay, so
that's that's a valid concern that you have.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Quick question around the Netflix because did you boy call
leading into earnings or.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You've been in the call already.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
No, I've been in it. I've been in it, and
then it was like a but then I was buying
down though, like when it drive come up. Yeah, I'm
still getting cooked right now.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
But it's part do you believe in the company?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Okay, okay, all right.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
So so Dave Shams wants to know shit, he sell
a m D before earnings.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
What's the unanimous decision?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Let me tell you what happened.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
So I said it before the call, and then one
of y'all on the speakers like y'all to call the
next year. So he didn't give me financial advice, but
the way he said it was secure.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I said, Okay, I'm a chill, I'm gonna care.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
For another year to work through whatever. Yeah, sip its
decline or upside that they have. And the thing that
we're trying to stress to you because you're starting off
when you're like, oh, tany you started off with a
home run, stay in for the long term because not
only will your confidence get built off of this win,
(05:31):
look how many people in your family lives. You'll be
able to guide and help through the same kind of situation.
So don't get out early. And I think it's a
mistake for any trader or any investor to only look
at the short side, because what if you miss out
on another one hundred and twenty percent to the upside?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I think here's my question too, Yeah, but so how
do you know? So the last time I was on market,
mondays like we had the testimonial joints shot up and
I don't have to contracts, and one of the advice
was like, yo, you could just sell one and then
keep the other. But if I'd have done that, I'd
(06:07):
have missed out on a whole bunch of money. So
how do I know, Like what's the top or do
I just ride it out period?
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Or am I looking for something?
Speaker 5 (06:16):
I think that's what the intern knowing where you're going
to exit the position before you enter it plays in right.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
So I always say, like, I like to get one.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Hundred percent return if I'm investing, and so if I
bought ten contracts, or like you did, you bought two contracts.
If I get to one hundred percent, then my initial
investment comes out, so it gives it gives me the
capital to say, all right, if the one that I
still have remaining continues to grow, now I can re
enter perhaps a later position because I believe in the
(06:45):
company so much, and maybe get three contracts, right, because
it's going to be a little bit cheaper. So you
always got to have the position mapped out, which is
why I always said by time, right, So when you
bought that, and I think it's important, your story is important,
your testimony is important, because this wasn't a home run
at first, right, Like I think people need to realize that,
Like when when you bought the call, it actually pulled
(07:06):
back because DC happened at the end of January, right,
and then April seventh happened and we saw a pulled back,
but you didn't sell, right, you kept it. So it
actually was a negative contract that actually turned out to
be a three hundred percent which is why when we
started the show was like, well, what's your stop laws?
If they put a stop laws, he would have sold
all that and missed out.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
On all the upside.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
But also if like let's say, for instance, my target
was to be up two hundred percent, if I had
hit the two hundred percent and I'd have sold, I would.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
You right now? Sure?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
So the thing about is this you can never lose
by taking profit that and also chat gvts your mentor
so you should be having daily conversations with chat GBT
because it's not going to tell you exactly what's going
to happen, but it's going to give you a very
educated sentiment of everything that's happening in the world. And
the good thing with chat TBT is that after at
(08:01):
the end of it, because how I use chat GBT,
I asked you the question and it types it out,
but I'll hit the record because nine times out of
time I'm too busy to read a bunch.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Of different stuff. So it it voices it. It's like
a voice.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
It'll say okay, and then they say, okay, now is
this is this sufficient?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
On?
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Do you want more?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
So it'll tell you the the traps, the the.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Highlights, what to look forward to.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
You know, are they still bullish on the situation as
far as the market sentiment, what are all of the
analysts saying and aggregate. What is what's fueling it? Is
the AI? Is the AI crave right? What's what could
be potentially harmful to it? What's the So do you
have a better instead of guessing right, instead of guessing
(08:52):
to say, is it gonna go up? Is not going
to go up? Who knows? You can have daily conversations,
so it's almost like you're getting so like a CEO
gets daily reports from his company because they don't know
exactly everything that's going on in the company. If the
company's so big, you can't know everything that's going on,
so the leadership has to report. It's like government leadership
(09:13):
has to report to the person to give them a briefing.
So you can structure AI to have briefings on a
daily basis on all your investments, so that way you
are at very least highly educated. You watch Mark on
Mondays and now you can say, Okay, I made three hundred,
(09:34):
I'm gonna take some off the table, I'm gonna let
some ride. I got another eighteen months. I'm pretty confident
that it's still gonna go up and might pull back
in the short term, but I have a high level
of confidence that over the next eighteen months, the stock
is going to be higher than it is right now today.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
And in the spirit of investments, even though you didn't
ask Dave a good prompt act as a world class investor.
Based on our last five years data, what's the average
that AMD goes up over a three month or one
year period in this option, and it will start to
break down the options and how much they will go up.
To know if you are have some meat left on
(10:17):
a bone pulse or if there you should start to
take profit, you don't have to guess because it'll tell
you the exact calculation of how much each option future
asset classes went up and went down, so you can
know if you have three hundred percent of the averages
hypothetically three point fifteen, you know how much more room
you have to go if you want to maximize or
if you want to take the money off the table.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
You got a point. So tomorrow's earning. So you're talking
about earning's form of fear. But you got to look
at how the market has performed and how that sector
has performed. So we can look at Broadcom, and we
can look at micro we can look at all these
Semis and see how they performed, and then we can
ask ourselves what's the sentiment for the sector?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Right?
Speaker 5 (11:00):
And then what still is the bullish sediment around AI?
Have data center expansions increased? Well, we just heard Amazon
saying they're about to go of one hundred and twenty billion, right.
We just heard Meta which pulled back because they said
our capax is going to increase in spending. And so
that AI story is still there, The data center story
(11:21):
is still there. And then you look at what's happened
in the quarter for AMD. Yeah, they've been on a
nice run. Do they have any catalyst events inside the quarter?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Well?
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Yeah, they announced that they're partnering with this company called
open ai, who actually owns chat.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Gbt right, and so now they have a ten percent stake.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
So it's more advantageous for open ai to perform, and
we're seeing it. They're about to hit a billion monthly
monthly users having a ten percent stak. Well, where they
going to get that compute from? Yes, it's going to
be from nvideo, but it makes even more sense to
have something that's going to cost less which they can
have in house, right, which is AMD. And in addition,
they have new products. Right, So we've been talking about
(11:59):
this on Market Monday for a while, but the M
one three fifty is about to start getting into that
cycle of revenue.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Christ that's that GPU that is the next tier.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Right, So when we talk about video and we're talking
about obviously Hopper, but now Blackwell and Barkwell Alter. In
a few months, AMD is now putting that second tier
GPU in market, and the people who can't afford at
this level will be able to get at this level.
So you take all that into account. You see that
the moves that they're making. You see that at least
of Sue is becoming more visible. You see the partnership
(12:30):
she's having. It feels like there's a bullish case. So
we'll see.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I like it.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
But the reason why I like to say by time
is because you buy in those catalyus events. So when
you did it in January, I'm already calculating if I
do something else to June next year, that's at least
four to five earnings reports.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It gives yourself time, got it, right, That's at least
four to five of them that we're going to calculate.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Inside there, there's gonna be innovation inside there, there's gonna
be partnerships announced inside there, there's gonna be volatility that's
going to be pricing side there, and so we're using
all that to our advantage when we make that call.
When it goes out over a year plus the taxing centives. Right,
if you would have bought a January contract, there's going
to be some short term capital gains, whereas now when
you're in June is long term capital gains. Because the
(13:13):
great thing is like, yeah, you've made this money, right
that three hundred or four hundred percent potentially by tomorrow.
But if you got to pay capital gains tax on that,
then you got to make sure that when you get
those games that are realized, that you have the money
to pay those taxes as well, which is a lot
of people have to remember.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Inside of an investment, I realized that I need to ask.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
A really immature question of like what should I do
versus finding out what's happening, and even ask you all
the questions, cause I know people come up to you, yo,
should I buy this? Or I think the next conversation
that I have with you all will be backed by
some reasoning of what I'm doing saying Okay, I.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
See this, I see this, I see this.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
What do you make of that in terms of my
question asking, because then I'll get a better answer versus, Yo,
what do you think I should do?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
So, but it's still still a great question.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
You have to be educated to ask the question. Yeah.
I like this segment with you, Dave.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah, we should have you back as a regular at
least once a month because now people can actually see
your trading journey in real time and go through all
of the aspects as far as the emotionals and ups
and downs. But before you leave, my last thing is
the bigcoin situation. Remember we was on stage and you
asked Ian about bitcoin and I think it was like,
I don't know where it was at eighty seventy around
(14:32):
that rage, and he was like, now it's a good
time to buy it. And then you was like, well
how do you know, Like how are you sure?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Da da da?
Speaker 4 (14:40):
So bitcoin now, like I said, run around one hundred
and ten thousand dollars. So from that from that standpoint,
in less than a year, bitcoin is up forty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
So did you buy it?
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Buy it?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Bro? Like, leave me alone. No, I'm listen to your boy.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
I know, man, I know, I have faith, You'll have
faith in me.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
It will never happen again. Thank you. I bought a
bitcoin at that time. Yeah, that was a hell of
a time. That was a layuprime. But it's okay.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
I just I just showed Shoty your text I got
from a dude in my neighborhood and it says today,
I'm the Dave Shance. In my line it says or
whatever the dude's name is. I said, laugh out Dave Shance.
He's like, yo, yeah, I'm gonna beat him.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
So people are.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Hearing your story on Market Mondays every week and they're like,
that's gonna be me.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I like this, yeah, this is yo. That that chat man,
I hope they was listening to that chat. GPT, like
just finding out what's going the wealth of the world is.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
Also what's going on in the world. Biggest piece of advice,
Your targets for your exit have to remain the same. Yeah,
So regardless what happens with Trump or whoever wins next
to Peter Teel Picks, my targets and futures remain the
same year round.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
It takes a lot of the frustration.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
That's why I kept saying, Listen, if you take profit,
you don't lose that way. So if your first target
is one hundred percent and your second is four hundred,
it doesn't matter who's in office.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Those should always be your targets. Let me ask this though.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Let's say, for instance, you hit your target, but you
see something that gives you confidence to stay in. Are
you in a disciplined space where it's like, yo, I'm
going to take it and then maybe go back in,
or based on what's happening, do you let it ride?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
You should follow your planning and start the size up. Yeah.
If I this is great, because we talked about this
last week as well.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
If I've hit my target and I've taken out my
initial investment and it's a strong company, like I literally
have done this probably five or six times, I like
to call it, I start stacking my calls, right so,
like I've done it with in video, and I shout
to everybody that gave me the congratulations. I've stacked in
video calls from twenty dollars, which obviously stop split take
(16:58):
into account forty five dollars to eighty dollars to one hundred.
I have probably eight calls on the video, and as
I see that price and the announcements and the Callus
events and the innovation that they announced, I keep stacking.
I've done it with Micron, I've done it with Broadcom, right,
I've done it with Silestica. If I believe in the
company and the fundamentals of it and the technicals are
(17:19):
showing me that this is something that's going to continue,
I do it right. So like I always invest the money,
Like I said, I don't treat it like a checking
account where it's like, yeah, we made twenty thousand, we
made thirty thousand.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
You know, I'm looking at like, okayty more.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Can I go back into this position and grab some
more contracts so we can let this run?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Can we do one hundred percent again?
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Then you can talk real crazy on them hot seats?
What made you put this dumb ass business?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
You can't your beard off?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
How are you a barber man?
Speaker 5 (17:55):
How many companies are in the portfolio in terms of
your your options like portfolio?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
How many companies in there? I have one? I got
I'll just tell you I got a m D. Y'all
have Netflix. Don't be mad at that. M U is
going crazy, see you don't you know micron five times?
That's that's Micron m U.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
S Yeah, ridiculous, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Who can you get that one? Huh?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
So you got m U, you got you got Netflix.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
I got Meta that that was recent.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, I got a S m L. I just got
sm ALL today.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Today, today, today.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
So you got four?
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Yeah right, five, stay right there, just.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Four as a sweet spot.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Shi, my brother man, thank you for joining us.
I wanted to continue to cover what's up my brother.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
You and month for real show at this point.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Oh yeah, absolutely, man, listen, I am listen, y'all. Haven't
need to add a testimony or something.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Bro right now, First, Dave share something my brother So, Dave, So,
we had a conversation offline. But you know, I think
that what you said is vitally important because I'm pretty
sure it's a lot of people that kind of feel
the same way. So I'll give I'll give the audience
(00:38):
the background. They're not familiar Dave Shance. This was six
months ago, maybe January January and Dave Shant I walked
Dave Shance through his first option play.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
He never made an option play before, right absolutely. I
was like, Yo, what typic like? You didn't know?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Like but long story short, he got into an AMD
call and the AMD call was a rollercoaster. It was up,
then it was down, then it was down more, then
it was down really bad. He stayed with it. He
called me a few times accent should he sell? He
was like, Yo, if you sell, let me know because
I'm in a call with him.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Can we add a piece of this story, dude, I'm
getting the call like, Yo, Bro, you shore about this.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I didn't pick up, bro, Like, like, Yo, what we're doing?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Bro?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Just trust me on this one. Just trust me.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So fast forward to now he's up three hundred How
much you up? Three hundred and what?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Well today? I'm down fifteen dollars percentage wise? How much
you up since you've been in I want all, I
asked him.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
You got two plaques on the wall talking about I'm
down for fifty dollars.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Let me hate, but I'm up three hundred and seventy percent,
twenty two thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Things are happening right now. Giving a dollar, okay, just
say hello, thank you.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Queshana's a three hundred and thirty eight percent in less
than one year.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
But you had a vital you text me today and
you was concerned about AMD going into earnings.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
So you said, should you sell?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
So this is something that, like I said, a lot
of people knowing when to sell is something that a
lot of people have questions about making three hundred percent
and not wanting to lose money is a valid concern
for sure. So these are all things that I'm sure
a lot of people have the same questions about, right
(02:40):
and you. I just think it's dope because you're a
content creator and you're in the space and you're learning
in real time. So we're going to talk about our
advice to you. But what's your emotions right now? As
far as this option trade?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So far, I have earning this call past trauma. Bro,
I've experienced trauma in what.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Netflix?
Speaker 6 (03:02):
Bro?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Netflix? Look you hear me. But that's how with your trauma,
let's fix your life.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
And video earnings and Netflix earnings are different from a
m D, so I know that pain is still there.
But first and foremost, when you got into the option,
did you know what percentage game you wanted to get
before you acted it?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You asked me this in front of people? Here, these
are like be how to see his conversations? Bro, Welcome
to shot new segment trader there, No, I did not.
This is the trading hot seat might be a showy No,
(03:50):
I didn't know. I didn't.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Okay, Well, you know the earnings cooked a lot of people.
Meta notoriously. I mean they just dropped eighty dollar was
last week? Before that? Meta, they had the worst drop
in history a few years ago. A few years ago,
so that that earnings can definitely hurt, especially if it's options,
(04:14):
because whatever you feel in the stock, you want to
field three times more in options call. So okay, so
that's that's a valid concern that you have.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Quick question around the Netflix because did you boy call
leading into earnings or.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You've been in the call already.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
No, I've been in it. I've been in it, and
then it was like a but then I was buying
down though, like when it drive come up. Yeah, I'm
still getting cooked right now.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
But it's part do you believe in the company?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Okay, okay, all right.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
So so Dave Shams wants to know shit, he sell
a m D before earnings.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
What's the unanimous decision?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Let me tell you what happened.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
So I said it before the call, and then one
of y'all on the speakers like y'all to call the
next year. So he didn't give me financial advice, but
the way he said it was secure.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I said, Okay, I'm a chill, I'm gonna care.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
For another year to work through whatever. Yeah, sip its
decline or upside that they have. And the thing that
we're trying to stress to you because you're starting off
when you're like, oh, tany you started off with a
home run, stay in for the long term because not
only will your confidence get built off of this win,
(05:31):
look how many people in your family lives. You'll be
able to guide and help through the same kind of situation.
So don't get out early. And I think it's a
mistake for any trader or any investor to only look
at the short side, because what if you miss out
on another one hundred and twenty percent to the upside?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I think here's my question too, Yeah, but so how
do you know? So the last time I was on market,
mondays like we had the testimonial joints shot up and
I don't have to contracts, and one of the advice
was like, yo, you could just sell one and then
keep the other. But if I'd have done that, I'd
(06:07):
have missed out on a whole bunch of money. So
how do I know, Like what's the top or do
I just ride it out period?
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Or am I looking for something?
Speaker 5 (06:16):
I think that's what the intern knowing where you're going
to exit the position before you enter it plays in right.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
So I always say, like, I like to get one.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Hundred percent return if I'm investing, and so if I
bought ten contracts, or like you did, you bought two contracts.
If I get to one hundred percent, then my initial
investment comes out, so it gives it gives me the
capital to say, all right, if the one that I
still have remaining continues to grow, now I can re
enter perhaps a later position because I believe in the
(06:45):
company so much, and maybe get three contracts, right, because
it's going to be a little bit cheaper. So you
always got to have the position mapped out, which is
why I always said by time, right, So when you
bought that, and I think it's important, your story is important,
your testimony is important, because this wasn't a home run
at first, right, Like I think people need to realize that,
Like when when you bought the call, it actually pulled
(07:06):
back because DC happened at the end of January, right,
and then April seventh happened and we saw a pulled back,
but you didn't sell, right, you kept it. So it
actually was a negative contract that actually turned out to
be a three hundred percent which is why when we
started the show was like, well, what's your stop laws?
If they put a stop laws, he would have sold
all that and missed out.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
On all the upside.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
But also if like let's say, for instance, my target
was to be up two hundred percent, if I had
hit the two hundred percent and I'd have sold, I would.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
You right now? Sure?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
So the thing about is this you can never lose
by taking profit that and also chat gvts your mentor
so you should be having daily conversations with chat GBT
because it's not going to tell you exactly what's going
to happen, but it's going to give you a very
educated sentiment of everything that's happening in the world. And
the good thing with chat TBT is that after at
(08:01):
the end of it, because how I use chat GBT,
I asked you the question and it types it out,
but I'll hit the record because nine times out of
time I'm too busy to read a bunch.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Of different stuff. So it it voices it. It's like
a voice.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
It'll say okay, and then they say, okay, now is
this is this sufficient?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
On?
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Do you want more?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
So it'll tell you the the traps, the the.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Highlights, what to look forward to.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
You know, are they still bullish on the situation as
far as the market sentiment, what are all of the
analysts saying and aggregate. What is what's fueling it? Is
the AI? Is the AI crave right? What's what could
be potentially harmful to it? What's the So do you
have a better instead of guessing right, instead of guessing
(08:52):
to say, is it gonna go up? Is not going
to go up? Who knows? You can have daily conversations,
so it's almost like you're getting so like a CEO
gets daily reports from his company because they don't know
exactly everything that's going on in the company. If the
company's so big, you can't know everything that's going on,
so the leadership has to report. It's like government leadership
(09:13):
has to report to the person to give them a briefing.
So you can structure AI to have briefings on a
daily basis on all your investments, so that way you
are at very least highly educated. You watch Mark on
Mondays and now you can say, Okay, I made three hundred,
(09:34):
I'm gonna take some off the table, I'm gonna let
some ride. I got another eighteen months. I'm pretty confident
that it's still gonna go up and might pull back
in the short term, but I have a high level
of confidence that over the next eighteen months, the stock
is going to be higher than it is right now today.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
And in the spirit of investments, even though you didn't
ask Dave a good prompt act as a world class investor.
Based on our last five years data, what's the average
that AMD goes up over a three month or one
year period in this option, and it will start to
break down the options and how much they will go up.
To know if you are have some meat left on
(10:17):
a bone pulse or if there you should start to
take profit, you don't have to guess because it'll tell
you the exact calculation of how much each option future
asset classes went up and went down, so you can
know if you have three hundred percent of the averages
hypothetically three point fifteen, you know how much more room
you have to go if you want to maximize or
if you want to take the money off the table.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
You got a point. So tomorrow's earning. So you're talking
about earning's form of fear. But you got to look
at how the market has performed and how that sector
has performed. So we can look at Broadcom, and we
can look at micro we can look at all these
Semis and see how they performed, and then we can
ask ourselves what's the sentiment for the sector?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Right?
Speaker 5 (11:00):
And then what still is the bullish sediment around AI?
Have data center expansions increased? Well, we just heard Amazon
saying they're about to go of one hundred and twenty billion, right.
We just heard Meta which pulled back because they said
our capax is going to increase in spending. And so
that AI story is still there, The data center story
(11:21):
is still there. And then you look at what's happened
in the quarter for AMD. Yeah, they've been on a
nice run. Do they have any catalyst events inside the quarter?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Well?
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Yeah, they announced that they're partnering with this company called
open ai, who actually owns chat.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Gbt right, and so now they have a ten percent stake.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
So it's more advantageous for open ai to perform, and
we're seeing it. They're about to hit a billion monthly
monthly users having a ten percent stak. Well, where they
going to get that compute from? Yes, it's going to
be from nvideo, but it makes even more sense to
have something that's going to cost less which they can
have in house, right, which is AMD. And in addition,
they have new products. Right, So we've been talking about
(11:59):
this on Market Monday for a while, but the M
one three fifty is about to start getting into that
cycle of revenue.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Christ that's that GPU that is the next tier.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Right, So when we talk about video and we're talking
about obviously Hopper, but now Blackwell and Barkwell Alter. In
a few months, AMD is now putting that second tier
GPU in market, and the people who can't afford at
this level will be able to get at this level.
So you take all that into account. You see that
the moves that they're making. You see that at least
of Sue is becoming more visible. You see the partnership
(12:30):
she's having. It feels like there's a bullish case. So
we'll see.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I like it.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
But the reason why I like to say by time
is because you buy in those catalyus events. So when
you did it in January, I'm already calculating if I
do something else to June next year, that's at least
four to five earnings reports.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It gives yourself time, got it, right, That's at least
four to five of them that we're going to calculate.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Inside there, there's gonna be innovation inside there, there's gonna
be partnerships announced inside there, there's gonna be volatility that's
going to be pricing side there, and so we're using
all that to our advantage when we make that call.
When it goes out over a year plus the taxing centives. Right,
if you would have bought a January contract, there's going
to be some short term capital gains, whereas now when
you're in June is long term capital gains. Because the
(13:13):
great thing is like, yeah, you've made this money, right
that three hundred or four hundred percent potentially by tomorrow.
But if you got to pay capital gains tax on that,
then you got to make sure that when you get
those games that are realized, that you have the money
to pay those taxes as well, which is a lot
of people have to remember.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Inside of an investment, I realized that I need to ask.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
A really immature question of like what should I do
versus finding out what's happening, and even ask you all
the questions, cause I know people come up to you, yo,
should I buy this? Or I think the next conversation
that I have with you all will be backed by
some reasoning of what I'm doing saying Okay, I.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
See this, I see this, I see this.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
What do you make of that in terms of my
question asking, because then I'll get a better answer versus, Yo,
what do you think I should do?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
So, but it's still still a great question.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
You have to be educated to ask the question. Yeah.
I like this segment with you, Dave.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah, we should have you back as a regular at
least once a month because now people can actually see
your trading journey in real time and go through all
of the aspects as far as the emotionals and ups
and downs. But before you leave, my last thing is
the bigcoin situation. Remember we was on stage and you
asked Ian about bitcoin and I think it was like,
I don't know where it was at eighty seventy around
(14:32):
that rage, and he was like, now it's a good
time to buy it. And then you was like, well
how do you know, Like how are you sure?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Da da da?
Speaker 4 (14:40):
So bitcoin now, like I said, run around one hundred
and ten thousand dollars. So from that from that standpoint,
in less than a year, bitcoin is up forty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
So did you buy it?
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Buy it?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Bro? Like, leave me alone. No, I'm listen to your boy.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
I know, man, I know, I have faith, You'll have
faith in me.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
It will never happen again. Thank you. I bought a
bitcoin at that time. Yeah, that was a hell of
a time. That was a layuprime. But it's okay.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
I just I just showed Shoty your text I got
from a dude in my neighborhood and it says today,
I'm the Dave Shance. In my line it says or
whatever the dude's name is. I said, laugh out Dave Shance.
He's like, yo, yeah, I'm gonna beat him.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
So people are.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Hearing your story on Market Mondays every week and they're like,
that's gonna be me.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I like this, yeah, this is yo. That that chat man,
I hope they was listening to that chat. GPT, like
just finding out what's going the wealth of the world is.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
Also what's going on in the world. Biggest piece of advice,
Your targets for your exit have to remain the same. Yeah,
So regardless what happens with Trump or whoever wins next
to Peter Teel Picks, my targets and futures remain the
same year round.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
It takes a lot of the frustration.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
That's why I kept saying, Listen, if you take profit,
you don't lose that way. So if your first target
is one hundred percent and your second is four hundred,
it doesn't matter who's in office.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Those should always be your targets. Let me ask this though.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Let's say, for instance, you hit your target, but you
see something that gives you confidence to stay in. Are
you in a disciplined space where it's like, yo, I'm
going to take it and then maybe go back in,
or based on what's happening, do you let it ride?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
You should follow your planning and start the size up. Yeah.
If I this is great, because we talked about this
last week as well.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
If I've hit my target and I've taken out my
initial investment and it's a strong company, like I literally
have done this probably five or six times, I like
to call it, I start stacking my calls, right so,
like I've done it with in video, and I shout
to everybody that gave me the congratulations. I've stacked in
video calls from twenty dollars, which obviously stop split take
(16:58):
into account forty five dollars to eighty dollars to one hundred.
I have probably eight calls on the video, and as
I see that price and the announcements and the Callus
events and the innovation that they announced, I keep stacking.
I've done it with Micron, I've done it with Broadcom, right,
I've done it with Silestica. If I believe in the
company and the fundamentals of it and the technicals are
(17:19):
showing me that this is something that's going to continue,
I do it right. So like I always invest the money,
Like I said, I don't treat it like a checking
account where it's like, yeah, we made twenty thousand, we
made thirty thousand.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
You know, I'm looking at like, okayty more.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Can I go back into this position and grab some
more contracts so we can let this run?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Can we do one hundred percent again?
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Then you can talk real crazy on them hot seats?
What made you put this dumb ass business?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
You can't your beard off?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
How are you a barber man?
Speaker 5 (17:55):
How many companies are in the portfolio in terms of
your your options like portfolio?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
How many companies in there? I have one? I got
I'll just tell you I got a m D. Y'all
have Netflix. Don't be mad at that. M U is
going crazy, see you don't you know micron five times?
That's that's Micron m U.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
S Yeah, ridiculous, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Who can you get that one? Huh?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
So you got m U, you got you got Netflix.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
I got Meta that that was recent.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, I got a S m L. I just got
sm ALL today.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Today, today, today.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
So you got four?
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Yeah right, five, stay right there, just.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Four as a sweet spot.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Shi, my brother man, thank you for joining us.
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