Bonus: Radical Family Histories (A Crossover with Mother Country Radicals)

Karen and Jamie sit down with Zayd Ayers Dohrn and his mom Bernardine Dorhn of Crooked Media’s Mother Country Radicals to look back at the process of making a show so deeply rooted in personal family history. Jamie and Zayd interview the moms to learn how they felt reliving their radical pasts and what it was like to make a podcast with their children. And in a time that feels so similar politically to the turbulent decades Karen and Bernardine lived through - how do they find hope? 

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I Was Never There is a Wonder Media Network Production. It’s hosted by Jamie and Karen Zelermyer. It’s produced by Allie Wollner, Lindsey Kratochwill, Adesuwa Agbonile , and Liz Smith. It’s edited by Jenny Kaplan and Liz Smith. Our executive producers are Jenny Kaplan, Jamie Zelermyer, and Karen Zelermyer. Production assistance by Alesandra Tejeda. 

Mother Country Radicals is an original podcast from Audacy and Crooked Media. It’s produced by Dustlight Productions.  Their theme song is by Andy Clausen. Zayd Ayers Dohrn is the host, writer, and executive producer. 

This episode was produced by Liz Smith.