Episode 179: Swiss Army App

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Adam Curry (00:00):
podcasting going over may 10 2024, episode 179
Swiss Army Hello everybody,welcome once again to podcasting
2.0 You are in the boardroom.That's right. This is where it
happens, where we discusseverything that's going on with
podcasting. We run withscissors, sometimes the

(00:22):
Poklonnaya out, but for sure weare the only boardroom that lets
you control the soundboard. I'mAdam curry here in the heart of
the Texas Hill Country and inAlabama, the man who brings over
160 years of in house experiencesaying hello to my friend on the
other end, the one and only Mr.Dave Jones.

Dave Jones (00:41):
Those stats always cracked me up. Like what does

Adam Curry (00:45):
that prove at all? We're discussing some marketing
message from some company thathas rediscovered that chapters.
Oh, there it is.

Dave Jones (00:56):
It Wait, is this the new Haley Pena?

Adam Curry (00:58):
You better believe baby this thing is set up and
rockin and rollin. Oh, yeah.

Dave Jones (01:05):
Okay, all right. Hold

Adam Curry (01:06):
on. Hold on. June finish. Yeah. Okay. All right.
band ended. Thank you very good

Dave Jones (01:12):
job to show when you have you have configured
multiple sounds or

Adam Curry (01:17):
Oh, yes. i Yes. i Okay. So we talked about this.
He didn't work on the lash. Iknow I did some homework for the
show. We talked about this onthe last show. Eric peepee. My
man, my man, Eric QTP. hasupgraded heli pad to become an
application. It is theapplication I am in love with. I

(01:42):
am I adore this thing now. And IAnd let me explain why. For the
uninitiated, when we are usingvalue for value, which if you're
listening to show you'veprobably heard about it, you get
one of those modern podcastapps, you can stream any amount
of value you want while you'relistening to your favorite
podcast or from time to time,you can hit the boost button and
add a message now numerology hasalways been a very important

(02:05):
thing in the value for valueworld or as we call it, the
value verse. And why don't Icall it the value verse? Yeah.
It's the value verse. Okay, thevalue verse notes, Music is
everything, everything in thevalue verse. And so on no
agenda, we noticed, you know, 15years ago that people like

(02:25):
sending in certain amounts, and,you know, then there's, there's
like 3333 is there's no77 777 77 11111, all kinds of
different numbers for all kindsof 888.

Dave Jones (02:38):
And by the way, that's Google standard.

Adam Curry (02:40):
So helipad is an application that you installed.
Typically, I think for now, itreally, the easiest way to
install is if you have anumbrella, or like me, I am using
an on Start nine. Now you doneed your own node. But you
know, once you're in the, in theleague of podcasters, that we're
in, you know, you got to haveyour node. And you're not

(03:03):
running

Dave Jones (03:03):
your own node. And yeah,

Adam Curry (03:05):
you're not in the big leagues.

Dave Jones (03:07):
So you're not hosting your own WordPress,
right,

Adam Curry (03:10):
I mean, come on. So then you basically get a little
webpage and every you can lookat the streams coming in. And
you know, that's very exciting,because you just kind of watch
it, it's like, oh, that's cool,you know, someone's listening,
it makes you feel good. Youdon't need stats, you just look
at this, like there's someoneout there in the world. And you
can usually even see theirnickname they put in there and

(03:32):
you can see what app they'reusing. And you can see that
they're sending you value inreal time it makes you feel very
warm and fuzzy. Now when someonesends you a booster gram you
have a separate page and you cansee the amount the boost that
someone has given you who gaveit to you and any message and in

(03:53):
some cases on some of the reallycool apps you can even reply
some some some SATs back if youwant so that was working all
fine. You know, I was happy Iwas happy as a clam. Oh and by
the way, export to CSV veryimportant that I use this
feature on all of my shows. So Ican export I can import as a

(04:13):
pivot table. I feel so powerfulthat spreadsheet the spreadsheet
Yeah, yeah and pivot table Imean, who knew I'm you import as
as import and excel boom, pivottable, Data tab, Data tab, data
tabs, thank you. And you canselect by episode and it's
really handy if you want to do aboost to gram segment and for

(04:35):
accounting purposes for the IRS.So now it has been so now you
have a sent tab. So if you sentsomebody some value back you can
see that if the boost thestreams in the set, but now we
have a configuration tab there'sa little gear icon gear icons
are to be clicked on.

Dave Jones (04:52):
And it's the first thing you do as an advanced as a
power user

Adam Curry (04:55):
power user. So I'm just going to explain what I'm
seeing. So there's three tabsnow that show up Jen Roll
numerology for 300 and web hooksnow we start with general. So
first, I can now already changewhat my helipad is showing, I
can show the split percentagecalculated when it comes in, I

(05:15):
can show the SATs received thatI actually receive rather than
the total boost amount. I don'tlike that one because I'd like
to see the whole or you can alsosay, don't show anything from
the riffraff if it's below acertain amount like yeah, 100
sets new I'm not going todisplay you your floor, he says
a floor exactly then you havesounds put in play a sound

(05:37):
whenever new boost is received.Well, we've had that for a
while. That's the everyone hasknows this sound. That's the
sound that that we have thechannel open when someone boosts
us. And then you can also changethat and use a custom sound for
for that new boost. Now we go tothe numerology tab, this is
where it gets very exciting.Numerology is what I was just
talking about. And there'salready a pre populated list of

(06:00):
some of the most exciting boostdonations that we know of with
their associated emoji. So forinstance, a row of ducks shows
you a couple of ducks on thepage. I mean, it's just a fun
little thing, you know, is it'sjust so you have a visual cue,
oh, it's a row of ducks. So12222 comes in, you can say, ah,

(06:22):
row of ducks. And it's populatedwith a lot of numbers that are
already fan favorites. Now, inaddition to fan favorites, I
like in my exponent, I'm EricVP, doing I'm doing you solid,
bro,

Dave Jones (06:35):
this is this is like this is marketing, you would pay
for it. Yeah.

Adam Curry (06:39):
And by the way, people nothing will will fire
off while I'm in setting. Sohold off. You don't want to do
that. Because for some reasonthat doesn't work LPP I consider
that to be above. But now, soyou can add your own numbers.
And in addition to that, you canadd your own emojis. And you can
also add sounds. So, forinstance, as a reasonable test

(07:04):
number I added to the alreadyexisting 808 which in the world
of podcasting 2.0 and 15 yearold boys is known as the boob
donation and the emoji is toeight balls. So when you send me
a boob donation, you hear thatlittle jingle which you heard,

(07:25):
which is today boobs. So I havealso configured some other
amounts which have secretsounds, which I'm not going to
tell you about. So if someonehits one of those, and I have
12344 Secret sounds, which areno numbers, numbers known to me

(07:47):
and people have used thesenumbers before, they're not
tiny. I'll give you a littlehint. Because I don't want to be
interrupted the whole time.Yeah.

Dave Jones (07:56):
So can you give a range? Like what are the what
are the secret numbers between?Well, they're imaginary match,

Adam Curry (08:02):
there is one number that is only three digits. And
that has a sound, there's one soI figured I'd leave a secret
number download for people tofigure that one out. It's a
beautiful number. That's all I'mgonna say the low rollers for
the low rollers. Now, if you area little bit higher in nature, I
have one that Sam Sethi has donebefore. So they have a sound for

(08:24):
that. And then I have some somethat we have mentioned. But then
there is also a baller boost, Imean, you can just imagine where
that'll be. So if anyone feelslike trying that out, please be
my guest during the during thecourse of this program. And
because those numbers when youboost that amount you wish it
should interrupt our flow. Butthe same we want to be

(08:47):
interrupted. Yes. Now the thingthat I am jet jet jacked about
is the web hooks. Because nowbased upon a certain number, or
any number or anything you wantto do, really, you can have
something happen in the internetrealm. I call this sets as a

(09:07):
Service says yes, says theservice that says a service. And
so I'm not I don't know how todo web hooks. I'm not going to
bother Dave about web hooks. Iunderstand what they are, you
know, there's a server you gottahave a server and it's got to
have a token and fine. Allthat's fine. I will put a SATs

(09:32):
as a service in my split in allmy splits, if you can give me
something that will post onMastodon, something that will
that I can connect to an IRCchat, if you will give me
something that will go to aleader board. Oh, and here's an
idea. I want it to go to my SMS.If someone sends me 100,000

(09:54):
SATs, I want to get an SMS textmessage. I hear that all the
rage

Dave Jones (09:59):
is to hook up With Buzzsprout I think they know how
to do that.

Adam Curry (10:03):
No, I'm not. That's just because it's basically
cross app comments.

Dave Jones (10:06):
Yeah, please do you want,

Adam Curry (10:07):
I'm gonna reach through this microphone and pull
your head right out of myheadphones. No, it's not
basically cross app comments.It's a link in your show notes.
No, no, I'm talking about asophisticated SATs as a service.
So I

Dave Jones (10:25):
apologize for trying to rile you up early in the
show. Yeah,

Adam Curry (10:28):
that's all right. I listened to pod news weekly
review. I got riled up. But Ithink this is this is the
application that really I mean,the sky is the limit on things
we can do with boosting certainnumbers. And I would be so happy
to put people into my valueblock split to have certain

(10:49):
services available to me that Ican then configure that's why I
call it SATs as a service that Ican configure that something
happens in the real world I likethat you know, guys got lights
and smoke machines going off ona new video so that's not going
to be that's not going to bethat that useful for me. But I
would love to needed

Dave Jones (11:08):
some What do you need a some sort of like a, like
a servo or something that'striggered that will poke Phoebe
in the in the, with a pencil orsomething?

Adam Curry (11:19):
No, I got one of those zappers she just barked. I
got one of those collars. Youknow there'll Zapper? Oh, you
don't know, I hadn't put that onher in a year. And I only use
the vibrate function. I don'tuse the electricity function. By

(11:39):
the way, I recommend everybodyuse only vibrate and not the
electricity function. Agreed Iagree with him. But I would love
to receive a text message. WhichI think is pretty easy to
configure from my on my own onmy own SMS. You know, just so
Hey, someone just just sent thisto you so I can immediately go
in and thank them. I would loveif someone sends a baller boost.

(12:01):
I would like to my account onMastodon to post Wow, look at
this. I just got a baller boostfrom Papa Papa for episode Papa
papa. Join the fun. It'sawesome. You're a loser if you
don't have this, too. I mean,that's that's the kind of stuff
I'm looking at. I mean, it'skind of like I want to If This
Then That for helipad, I guessis what I'm saying? Or maybe

(12:23):
even better make a web hook forif then If This Then That.

Dave Jones (12:28):
They probably support that already. I would
think that they wouldn't do likeZapier. Zapier. Zapier. The if
in IFTT, like I would think thatthey already support those sorts
of web hooks.

Adam Curry (12:39):
I think Chad f actually, I think Chad F sent
the right one but it didn't fireright. Either that or I didn't
hear it.

Dave Jones (12:47):
Or you know, a chat F try that one again.

Adam Curry (12:50):
Oh, sorry.

Dave Jones (12:51):
If you if you send the right thing, it takes a
picture of you with your webcamand post it to Mastodon

Adam Curry (13:00):
that's a great idea. Or take a picture never

Dave Jones (13:03):
know when it's gonna be. Yeah, that's

Adam Curry (13:04):
a fun idea.

Dave Jones (13:05):
I like it. It may catch you picking a big booger
out of your nose or something. Imean, like, he knows all kinds
of fun things could happen.

Adam Curry (13:13):
Eric BP tried to small boobs. No, no brother.
That was too obvious. Now. Idon't know. I wonder if this is
what I'm always afraid that youknow, like, now we do this
experiment and then somethingfails. And it doesn't work.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it workedfine. It worked fine earlier,
but I don't know. I wonder if Ineed to have the page in the

(13:36):
foreground sometimes. You know,you got to wonder about stuff
like that. I

Dave Jones (13:40):
wouldn't think I don't think so. Maybe. Did you
did you close out of thesettings and you're now back
into the

Adam Curry (13:47):
back into the back into the wallet see chat chat
apps and he's resending it. Solet me see if I may have
misconfigured it you know, no, Imean, sometimes

Dave Jones (13:56):
in order to get you click on Interact, yeah,

Adam Curry (14:00):
no, I did that. And we heard one. Okay, no, that's
true. There we go. Blades on amPaulo Sam Sethi. 101010 Thank
you very much. He's the bigballer testing the soundboard
BAM he nails it. Anything over100,000 SATs that's how I
programmed it beautiful Sam.Thank you. He says boost testing

(14:24):
the soundboard. Oh, so

Dave Jones (14:25):
this is ah okay. So you see how it works. You can
you don't have to have an exactamount you can say you can use
ranges. We have Boolean logic.

Adam Curry (14:36):
Boolean. Yes, I can be equals so I just did anything
above 100,000 You have equal toyou can oh there it is. There it
is. Chad F got the lucky 777That's right. That was the
lowball number. He nailed itnow.

Dave Jones (14:55):
It's gonna get out of control.

Adam Curry (14:59):
And I only put it You win. So, good luck,
everybody I love everyone's likesending huge amounts now. I
gotta get this. Like, do

Dave Jones (15:09):
you remember that? You remember the lightning goat
feeder? Yes. This

Adam Curry (15:12):
is exactly it is very similar.

Dave Jones (15:14):
Yes to go feeder.

Adam Curry (15:16):
This is awesome. I don't use that word. Lightly.
This is absolutely awesome. Ijust think this is just so our
guest is already trying tofigure it out. And I mean, I
could I could have configuredthis thing all day long. I
didn't because we'd never getanywhere. We just did we just be

(15:37):
doing this the whole time. Bythe way, Sam, that's not the
number you typically boost. Butthank you. That's not the one I
was thinking of. Thanks for thethanks for the mega boost the
baller boost. Yeah. So this is

Dave Jones (15:51):
nice, nice, very nice. But you know, he wished it
to a different framework. Solike we were using like a, like
a home rolled framework that Ioriginally took out of some
example code. And that's theback end for all of these
different things, the bridgehelipad. Lots of different
stuff. And MK Ultra instead thenhe took he re engineered it with

(16:16):
using the axon framework. Oh,and as I think I think that's a
good thing. And I'm actuallygoing to back sort of backport
that over to the other to theother projects that use it. Pod
ping uses

Adam Curry (16:31):
Sam Sethi 10,000 SATs. Okay, there we go. All
right, everybody.

Unknown (16:38):
That's so that's a little baller.

Adam Curry (16:41):
You got a short baller. Yeah, you got a 10,000
bucks short baller. Yeah,exactly. I mean, this is great.
So much can be done with this.But also now you can have
leaderboards I mean, it doesn'tjust have to fire off, you know,
little events, it could add to aleaderboard. You know, based
upon I guess an you know, youcould have other inputs so you

(17:03):
can do voting. I mean, the webhook part is just just genius a
bit and we will remember we weretalking about how can we rapa
phi all of this stuff all thesecool things that people are
making? Well this is the waythis is the way this is it and
and it's it's free software

Dave Jones (17:21):
if you if you send in like if you send enough sets
you'll it'll trigger yourMastodon account to follow that
person.

Adam Curry (17:32):
Yeah, why knife or follows or whatever? I mean, or
you know, a call back soliterally, you know, like, my
phone will ring and it'll becalling you. I'm down for I can
I can go on for days thinkingabout this. You know, like you
boost this 200,000 SATs willmake Bitcoin go up again. Not

(17:54):
right now. Massive, massivecrash.

Dave Jones (17:58):
Oh, man, this is read. I love this. It. It

Adam Curry (18:02):
brings. Okay, so many people are kind of
comparing it to twitch. Yeah, ina way. But this is so much
better. I mean, it's a milliontimes better. And by the way,
wouldn't my podcast host want tooffer some of these? Some of
these callbacks, some of theseweb hooks?

Dave Jones (18:18):
Well, if you're running a look, okay, so if
you're running a local, I'm justthinking through this. If you
run out a local web server on onlocalhost, you could run it on a
custom port, and then set theweb hook to call localhost. And
then you could have your ownmachine. Do all kinds of things

(18:39):
like OBS like trigger OBS, likeOBS overlays. Oh,

Adam Curry (18:45):
hello. What's that? What's that thing I gave you?

Dave Jones (18:48):
Oh, no, the stream the stream deck.

Adam Curry (18:50):
Hello stream deck trigger stream deck. Switches.
Yeah,

Dave Jones (18:55):
yeah, you could say trigger a stream deck button,
which throws something up onthrows the ball. That

Adam Curry (19:01):
would be even better if we could do if we could do
MIDI events. There you go. Eric.PP. Have a nice weekend. MIDI
MIDI events. Oh, I've got tonsof MIDI stuff to fire off. My
whole system works on MIDI thatthey call Yeah. You could even
mute me.

Dave Jones (19:20):
No, no, I veto this. But I

Adam Curry (19:24):
like it because it's a total git clone. Oh, chimp.
Interesting. That day, Jimshould have fired I think. Okay,
Eric VP has already identified abug. So what is it? Well, okay,
so if, if a sound has justfired, then you know, and

(19:46):
another another fire comes in.Too soon after that. It does. I
think you should have you shouldhave gotten one chimp I'm not
sure. I'm not sure what happenedthere.

Dave Jones (19:58):
So it can't. The browser can and play two
simultaneous sounds. Yeah,

Adam Curry (20:02):
well, he's actually exempted. And depending on how
much padding there is in eachsound file, it could mess it up.
All right, well, because chimpsaid 22 222. And I think I set
that up as a row of ducks. Okay,but that didn't fire. Well, I
feel bad about that. But anyonecan try it again, if you want.

(20:23):
Feel free. This is this is whatwe call ultimate gamification

Dave Jones (20:27):
is Yeah, I think the local I think the local host
thing is a good a good idea.That's a pretty good idea. Yeah.
That actually makes me want towrite die.

Adam Curry (20:36):
Happy. Have a great weekend, everybody.

Dave Jones (20:39):
You know what I mean? Like, of course, they
could like just be like bridgebridge, some calls over to, then
you wouldn't even really evenneed a token or anything,
because it's all local.

Adam Curry (20:49):
Right? But I'm just as happy to have you know, a
service that I don't have toworry about. If it crashes, you
know, I mean, it's easy. Or howabout this? Added? What are you
drinking?

Dave Jones (21:02):
This is a Lacroix pure.

Adam Curry (21:04):
I didn't expect that from you. But here's what you

Dave Jones (21:10):
can drink. Oh, this. You spent me you speed me to go
stronger?

Adam Curry (21:14):
Show beer show beer?

Dave Jones (21:17):
No, that would be a bad show. Chocolate. But

Adam Curry (21:22):
this, you know, I just love SATs as a service. I
think it'd be fantastic. Justlet me hook into anything. Oh,
you know me. I'll put anybody inthe split. Like,

Dave Jones (21:32):
oh, yeah, me at least sometimes we have people
in the split that weren't eventhere were guests like three
weeks three weeks ago.

Adam Curry (21:37):
Hey, man, thanks for the value. What we appreciate
that. Speaking of value, now wasas a couple of things we got to
talk about, certainly inrelation to publisher feeds. And
and we may want to bring ourguests in before we do that,
since he's a data scientist. Butat first I wanted to someone

(21:59):
pointed this out to me, the termvalue for value is just I mean
it, I love how it's become itsown thing. And it's just out
there in the universe, andpeople are using it. And the
most interesting people all of asudden, use this term now for
multiple reasons. Or maybe theysee it or whatever it is that

(22:21):
the concept is out there. Andit's not tipping. So someone
pointed me to an interview thatMegyn Kelly was doing with
Roseanne Barr, Roseanne Barr,it's, it's a wacky interview,

(22:41):
for sure. But then this

Eric Nantz (22:43):
there isn't like just a few families that should
own everything in the world.There isn't. That's true. And
and, and they're so stupid. Likeyou said, luckily, they are
stupid, because arrogance alwaysaccompanies ignorance. That's
what Torah says. They're alwaysthe same two sides of the same
coin. And they undo each other,let's hope. And so their

(23:06):
arrogance is such that they'veactually made with their greed
and their whatever they do intheir bubbles. And they're
bursting bubbles and making morebubbles in their scams and
fraud. They've actually mademoney obsolete and it's
worthless. Now, that's justgreat. That's my optimistic sign
of the future because that isthe dream of the end of debt

(23:29):
slavery that's leaving Egypt.That is the dream of humanity.
It's so great, and it'scrumbling. And they're being
exposed, and it will be replacedwith a better system that works
for human beings, all humanbeings. And it'll come from us
and our intelligence, because wehave the will and the means and

(23:53):
all the technology to do that.Without money but with something
else. Value for value. Yeah.

Adam Curry (24:03):
How about that, huh? From Rosie? Roseanne Barr.

Dave Jones (24:08):
She's a she's a wacky bird. She's

Adam Curry (24:12):
interesting. Yes. She's definitely different. Yes.
Outlet agreement is.

Dave Jones (24:17):
Yeah, I mean, I never expected her to go value
for value. I'll take it. Yeah.Let's bring

Adam Curry (24:25):
in our guests Dave because this is an interesting
person. All of our guests ofcourse are interesting persons.
But this is not the thetradition of interest. It's a
person Yes. Yes. Please welcomeour guests in the boardroom and
a person of interest say helloto the podcasting. 2.0 data
scientist, Eric nonce everybody.

Eric Nantz (24:46):
Hey, great to be here.

Adam Curry (24:48):
Eric is a dancer Dance,

Eric Nantz (24:50):
dance. So

Adam Curry (24:50):
you gotta dance. Okay, when I kind of I kind of
flubbed the last

Eric Nantz (24:56):
one be the first time Eric Where

Adam Curry (24:57):
are you calling him from brother? Where are you
right now?

Eric Nantz (25:00):
I'm based in the midwest of America here in
Indiana.

Adam Curry (25:05):
My wife's stomping grounds were in Indiana. Carmel
to be exact. I don't don't knowwhere that is

Eric Nantz (25:11):
actually, that's just about like half hour north
of the Indianapolis area. Okay.And she

Adam Curry (25:16):
says she was from Northwest Indiana, which was I
think at one point South Chicagois there a place called South
Chicago in Indiana.

Eric Nantz (25:27):
Maybe close to Gary, Indiana as well.

Adam Curry (25:28):
She lives right across the tracks from Gary,
Indiana. I always say oh, yeah,you're from Gary girl. Go away.
You're from Gary. P like I didnot live there for anyone who
doesn't know you don't want tolive there. Yeah,

Eric Nantz (25:40):
I passed by it a few times. Roll up the windows when

Adam Curry (25:43):
you go past Gary, Indiana,

Dave Jones (25:45):
like the poster child for deindustrialization
for anyone

Adam Curry (25:49):
that's accurate. It also gave us the Jackson Five so
you know there's there's goodthings different Gary. Yeah.
Gary, Indiana. Yeah.

Dave Jones (25:57):
Oh, I didn't know that. Interesting. I've heard
that Bloomington is likebeautiful. Yeah, it's not wrong
about that. No, it's

Eric Nantz (26:05):
It's nice there.

Dave Jones (26:07):
Cuz I always my only picture of Indiana. I drove
through it one time. And it wasit's flat with corn.

Adam Curry (26:15):
That is everything. There's corn. Yes. Carl state of
corn. They all like coffee. Ilike Khan. Do you like Khan?

Dave Jones (26:23):
That N button I heard. But then somebody told me
that Bloomington is there's nocorn there? It's all there's all
campus down?

Eric Nantz (26:31):
Yeah, a bunch of trees in campus town. That's
accurate. Yep.

Dave Jones (26:35):
Sorry. So you're you're the you're the the you're
the date resident data scientistof Indiana headed. So you're you
primarily work? Yes. A couple ofthings. You primarily work in
the R language and you have apodcast about our That's

Eric Nantz (26:51):
right. Yeah, I've been doing it. Well, I've did a
first version of this. Way backin 2011 2012. Midway that one's
been on hibernation I've beenusing our ever since my
dissertation days in gradschool, because I've literally
saved my dissertation or as I'mwhenever I graduated. So I've
been hooked ever since. Butyeah, Tuesdays are my day job

(27:14):
and my hobbies too. But

Dave Jones (27:16):
you had so you had a previous podcast about it. And
then you know, you've got toyou've resurrect so used to have
Yeah, is that what you'resaying? You have an old one. And
now you have a new?

Eric Nantz (27:25):
Yeah, basically, the old one was called Dr. Podcast,
that's my nickname on on thesocial areas. But then I kind of
had a little pod fade here andthere. And now I do something
every week about community. So Icalled our weekly where we
basically it's a communitydriven newsletter, the share all
the awesome happenings andtutorials, new packages and all

(27:46):
the latest developments in theour ecosystem.

Dave Jones (27:51):
How do you think that like? So for some add
purposely? I didn't knowanything about our and I don't?
And I purposely did not do anyresearch, because I wanted you
to tell me what it is in like inyour language rather than me
just gonna read a bunch ofWikipedia.

Eric Nantz (28:09):
Yeah, absolutely. It's, you could say it's a
language that isn't a realtraditional programming language
in the sense that this wasactually created by
statisticians over a universityin New Zealand, way back in the
in the mid 90s. And admittedly,it's got its own quirks
regarding object going andprogramming in light. But it's

(28:29):
literally the home to almost anystatistical method you could
ever see in the literature orother research, you'll find in
our package for one way oranother, by I would say within
the last probably 10 years orso, especially in the last five
years. We can use R and allsorts of places, whether it's
machine learning AI, you know,visualizations, I can build

(28:52):
interactive web applications,like a build fancy dashboards
I'm gonna be talking about alittle bit soon, you can hook it
up to just about any otherlanguage as well, like Python,
JavaScript, anything like that.So it's a great way to unify a
lot of different statisticalconcepts together. But once you
get the hang of it, it's it'shard to go back at least in my
opinion,

Adam Curry (29:11):
have you been using it in the podcasting 2.0 realm?

Eric Nantz (29:15):
Well, my first venture in this was, if you
recall, maybe it was a year anda half ago, I created a little
package called pod cat podindexer, which is basically a
front end to your fancypodcasting 2.0 API, so that we
got that, you know, front andcenter there. So as an API,
where there's my first pass, butnow I'm using it artists way to

(29:38):
visually analyze the podcastingindex database with a bunch of
our database packages and someof the algorithms we'll be
talking about a little bit withduplication and visualization
and may not those fancy tables,which are one of the packages
inside so there's almost nothingI can do with it. You just have
to find the right package forit.

Adam Curry (29:58):
It's what she said. Oh, yes. Sorry. So

Dave Jones (30:04):
I'm 50. So if you got so if you have the right,
let's see, if you have, youknow, of course, I've been
looking through the dashboardand everything. I feel like this
could be benefit is obviouslybeneficial to us. And so the,
for our own needs only URL isour

(30:28):
podcast.github.io/pod-db.dash.And it is obviously helpful for
us. But I wonder, also howhelpful you think this type
hindlimb is having a hard timearticulating them as we can

(30:51):
tell. So I guess what I'vealways wanted is, is certain
things out of the out of theindex, certain types of data,
and that are hard to necessarilyquantify. So things like it's
easy to look and say, Okay,well, how many? It's easy to do

(31:11):
just basically basic tablesearches, you know? Sure. You
just say, Okay, how many feedsare dead? How many feeds have
published an episode in the last30 days? I mean, that that's
just kind of like, the lowhanging fruit. But it seems like
there's, when you have adatabase, this large of all the

(31:31):
public podcasts, you could, youcould mine out some data, if you
knew the right, you know,algorithms to to apply. It seems
like you could mine out datathat will be useful for
everybody to find sort of newinsights about things that we're
that we're not getting, do youkind of see what I'm saying.

Eric Nantz (31:54):
But absolutely, I'm tracking with that. And I think
one of the things that I haven'tdone very much yet is looking at
kind of a longitudinal, youknow, sense of what's changing
every week or what are what arethe newest feeds being under and
and how's that compared to say,a year ago, and maybe then, you
know, things like that, whichI'm not haven't built in yet in

(32:15):
terms of this interface. But Ithink that could certainly be
done. I just have to archiveeach of these in a in a snapshot
kind of manner. But I've seenothers on on the on the podcast,
index social, do these nice linecharts of like, the podcasts,
adopt the value for value ortime splits inside? Yeah, we're

(32:36):
gonna start getting into some ofthat, too.

Adam Curry (32:38):
What was the one that I just saw, which I really
liked a lot. Hold on a second.I'll bring it up. That was our,
our statistician. That was onesecond up, Ron Plouffe.

Eric Nantz (32:53):
Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah. Ron

Adam Curry (32:56):
Plouffe posted on May 9 2023 89. Feeds had the
medium music tag attention.James Cridland appears it and
here's a news item for you. Oneyear later, there are 3031
Medium music tag feeds in theindex.

Dave Jones (33:17):
Yeah, and there's also he posted last week, there
are now over 20,000 value forvalue

Adam Curry (33:24):
value fees. Yep, exactly. I saw that, too.

Dave Jones (33:29):
What? So that's what you mentioned is something that
I was thinking about earliertoday. Actually, I don't I don't
remember what I heard that wastriggering that but I was
thinking I was thinking about,it really would be helpful to
find out, like on a per hostbasis. Which feed like, what the

(33:49):
new feed creation volume is andsee it go up and down. Yeah,

Eric Nantz (33:54):
I like that idea.

Dave Jones (33:56):
You know, because it because it's, it's helpful,
because you don't know. You justget these real general vague
stats from the industry aboutyou know, you know, $2 billion,
and podcasts and just this kindof stuff that's like, okay, and
then you look at, you look atOPI three data, which have been,

(34:18):
I was looking through the otherday. And one thing I saw about
it was, it's real interesting.If you compare the downloads, to
over 30 days to the, quote,unique listeners over 30 days,
sometimes there's a huge skewbetween those two. Sometimes
it's close sometimes it's reallyout of whack. Is that I can't

(34:40):
think that guy got me thinkingwhat you know, it would be
really cool if you could if youcould just sort of visualize
like you said changes over time.It what would you need me to
give you in order to like dothings like that would you need
like full database access?

Eric Nantz (34:57):
And wouldn't hurt

Dave Jones (34:59):
yeah, don't have that labor right

Adam Curry (35:02):
access to give them right x. Table, give them a
table, go for it.

Dave Jones (35:08):
Because we had we actually have that there's a
couple of people who need likeSpurlock has access to the full
week, like the full databasedump. This got all the episode
data and all that kind of stuff.It's so big, it's like 200 gigs
worth of data. So I don't makeit public. But like, we could
hook you up with stuff likethat, if you wanted to mess
around with it.

Eric Nantz (35:28):
Oh, that'd be really cool to start turning loose on
some of these other ideas thatwe've been talking about I've
been doing is about as much as Igot in this initial password,
the sequel lite database everyweek, that's backed up, but I
could definitely turn up anothernotch with that access. Because

Dave Jones (35:44):
the other downside to the weekly database download
is it gets only dumping outfeeds that are that haven't been
marked as dead. And so you neversee the stuff that you'd never
kind of see what disappeared.Boucher. Well, I mean, I guess
you can if you are like lookcompared to comparisons, like a
diffs. week to week, but butit's a lot easier if you have

(36:08):
like the full thing where yousee all the all the dead and
living podcast at the same time.

Eric Nantz (36:15):
Yeah, yeah, maybe getting back to Money or points
on this. I've certainly builtthis with with you all in mind
first, because a member and Iknow the build up to this, I've
heard you the moment theduplicate issue, which I'm not
sure if we can both be solvedyet. And my initial pass, but at
least we got more insights intoit. But anything to help this
project kind of keep going andgreater levels. I know a lot of

(36:39):
the consumers of the database orthe podcast app authors would
rightfully so. But is there anyother ways that we can help you
all out with, you know,analyses, Eva, I've seen the
chat, maybe looking at tag usageor things like that, you know,
I'm really happy to turn looseon some of this stuff.

Dave Jones (37:00):
I love the sort of unapologetic, like the Virat the
veracity of what you're, you'reyou're basically like a, I
analyzed your database. Andhere's all the problems. Which
is like, it's, it's actuallygreat, because that'll you don't
get to see that side of your ownwork sometimes. And like out of

(37:21):
the because when I looked at,like the data quality tab, out
of 12 different points of dataquality, we have green checks on
three of them.

Adam Curry (37:30):
Were numbers three,

Dave Jones (37:34):
we suck is basically they want us to hear this.

Adam Curry (37:38):
I wonder if I have a jingle for that I can hook up

Dave Jones (37:42):
with. So what, like if I go to the Data Quality tab?

Adam Curry (37:46):
Oh, hold on a second. I think I have it,
please.

Dave Jones (37:53):
There you go. Yeah, that's, that's what should play
when the data quality is beloweight.

Adam Curry (38:00):
Yes.

Eric Nantz (38:01):
I'm guessing I'll never be on the boardroom again,
after all this, but we're

Dave Jones (38:08):
looking through here. So you have non missing
podcast good. So if I'munderstanding this, okay, so
says out of the out of all thedatabase records that were
scanned, 4,180,757 there's 160that don't have a good,

Eric Nantz (38:26):
that's right.

Dave Jones (38:27):
Wow. And, um, which is kind of which was weird to
me, because all the podcastsgood to get generated when
they're ingested. In which is soodd that there's any that number
should be zero?

Eric Nantz (38:44):
I remember when I was asking you on the Macedon
before about, you know, whatkind of fields I should be
looking at. And we always saidpodcast good was one that we
should always expect to bethere. And that was a shock to
me, too, that that basic checkturned up with something above
zero. So I think are those justbuilding upon this that would
illuminate these other issuesthat admittedly, you would never

(39:06):
be able to predict, right? It'sjust the way the primes work, I
guess.

Dave Jones (39:10):
And then they get unique podcast good values. So
the failure there is thatthere's 25,000 records that
clash.

Adam Curry (39:22):
Just going crazy on the soundboard today. I'm sorry.

Dave Jones (39:26):
Thank you for making me feel better about muscle.

Adam Curry (39:30):
Therapy, David's therapy. It's good for you. It's
good for you.

Dave Jones (39:34):
Hello, I'm Dave and I have missing podcast.

Adam Curry (39:38):
Hello, I'm Dave. I'm a DB admin. Hello, Dave.

Dave Jones (39:45):
Non missing content hash. Okay. There's 16 Was this
happen? Yeah. Okay. All right.How do I get this data back that
you've sort of assembled here?Sure. Okay, so now I know. Now I
know that I have 160 podcastrecords with missing Gu IDs,

(40:06):
right? How do I get that backout of your dashboard in a
programmatic way where I can,like, do actions on that without
having to manually do things?Well,

Eric Nantz (40:16):
he can. Yeah, I mean, that's there's some I can
try to build in. But at theminimum, you see, if you expand
that table, there's a link thatsays, download full extract,
that's a parquet file, if youwant to get those records for
yourself, and at least in themanual way, but there's
certainly ways I could, youknow, maybe beat this up a bit
to offer some kind of hook tothe download these based on

(40:37):
like, I have what's called astep ID for each of these, where
you see that assessment, and itsays, like I said, Not missing
podcast good, I got a bunch ofmetadata associated all this, I
just need to find a way toprogrammatically expose it to

Dave Jones (40:51):
what's what is a parquet file? What is that?
Isn't

Adam Curry (40:55):
that he's jumped over stuff. And over walls and
stuff. A park is a Parkour,parkour, I'm sorry,

Dave Jones (41:01):
park a. Park a is the butter is the fake butter.
Yeah,

Eric Nantz (41:06):
yeah, I'm getting hungry again. But um, in any
event, this is a newer format,probably in the last like three
years or so that's trying to belike an interoperable format for
multiple languages to storetabular data. So it's definitely
not great for huge nested JSONdata. But for relational data,
like we're seeing here, you canimport these pretty efficiently

(41:26):
with something called the arrowproject. Also the duck DV
database that you may be hearingabout some and using this as a
source file. So there's a lot ofcool things you can do with
parquet, I just wanted to giveit an A semi neutral format for
downloading it. I admit I'mpeeved by CSVs. I deal with them
way too much at work, and theydrive me nuts. I want to try

(41:47):
something different with thisDVD

Dave Jones (41:50):
that you're giving me like, I'm writing like a
magnet, you give me so much hereto have that. I don't know that
have to go look up. Give mework.

Eric Nantz (41:58):
Oh, yeah, I'm here to help. Right? I'm just here to
help, I'm honest. But the ductTV things really interesting,
though, because I'm not sure howmuch you're up on something
called WebAssembly. For some ofthese applications online,
they're hooking duck DB intothis, we're in theory, if I
could really update this thingto like another level, I could
have most of the database aslike inside the app itself, be a

(42:23):
duck DB and still get greatperformance out of it. I haven't
had time to really hook that inyet. But it's I'm really
watching if we end up having todo a lot more in this kind of
framework for further analysis.Okay,

Dave Jones (42:36):
so you're saying that you're saying this duck DB
is like a connector? For like abut it's a binary connection to
a database in the WebAssembly?

Eric Nantz (42:47):
Yeah, it can be used in anywhere, not just
WebAssembly. But we're seeing areally take off. And in the
realm of data science, he says,Oh, interesting. Yeah.

Adam Curry (42:57):
We are deep inside the DB. I just can't resist.

Eric Nantz (43:06):
I was waiting for that.

Adam Curry (43:09):
You're sexy man. Do you? Are you a data scientist
during the day as well as yourday job?

Eric Nantz (43:15):
Yeah, I mean, that's still technically called
statistician. But it's all thesame thing these days. But yeah,
at the at the day job. I'm at alife sciences company. The title
is a director of innovation inour innovation center advanced
analytics. That's a mouthful.Wow. But

Adam Curry (43:33):
you get chicks with that. Oh,

Eric Nantz (43:36):
I got one year. We didn't need a grad school. So
there's our score.

Dave Jones (43:44):
I like the term I love I use the term non missing.
That's like a net, you negateit, instead of saying, here's
the missing ones. Like, here'snot here's the non missing ones.
Yeah, that

Eric Nantz (43:59):
one literally rolls off the tongue for me. Because
at the day job, I have to dothis all the time with the data,
we collect and figure out what'smissing. What's missing at
random what's missing because ofother reasons. There's all sorts
of stuff I have to do there.

Dave Jones (44:15):
Let's see. Yeah, pit pages, like, like, if you want
to make John Spurlock drinkalcohol, just send him to this
to the Data Quality tab on thepodcast index dashboard.

Adam Curry (44:27):
Hey, you should you should run your stuff against
the Opie three as well. That'llbe fun.

Dave Jones (44:32):
Oh, that would be fun. Yeah.

Adam Curry (44:36):
Can't you run queries against our database and
op three at the same time andcome up with something useful?

Eric Nantz (44:44):
Sky's the limit right.

Dave Jones (44:48):
The LCD you could Yeah, I was thinking about that
about hella bad to be caught.

Adam Curry (44:54):
Oh, I'd love to have some a I'll pay you for that.
I'll give you a split. Yeah, Ronis that Hello, Pat has all kinds
of data, it's really as good,especially on the streams part,
which we can't. I mean, itreally can't do much. I mean,
there's just so much data thatthe spreadsheet goes what

Dave Jones (45:13):
how big is your spreadsheet now? Like when you
export for, for our show? Is itgetting cuz I do worry about
that I do worry that at somepoint the hell up had in
database is gonna get so bigthat it's going to start to
struggle.

Adam Curry (45:31):
You want me to look at the database? I don't know.
Like

Dave Jones (45:35):
the the spreadsheet is sort of a reflection of the
database of the SQLite databasethat backs up Ella pad.

Adam Curry (45:42):
Yeah, I did an export a while back of
everything was like I think Idid 2023 I'll see if I can find
that and see what that becausethat's that's not that's all of
my shows.

Dave Jones (45:58):
Yeah. Oh, yeah. You run everything in the same
Hello, passerby that,

Adam Curry (46:02):
well, that is not the way to go. I mean, that's,
that's the beauty of helipad isthat you can have one wallet,
this was telling Darren O'Neal,you can have one bay, basically
one wallet address, use that forall of your incoming streams and
payments. And then you want tosee how stuffs doing well, then

(46:22):
you just run a helipad export.You can see what's going on, let
me see if I can find it. See ifI can find that I know I stored
it somewhere.

Dave Jones (46:32):
Somewhere. RF is are flexible enough? I mean, it
sounds like it started off as astatic is a a statistician
language. But then it evolvedinto something more general
purpose. Like is it generalpurpose enough to write just
like a podcast app and orsomething like that?

Eric Nantz (46:49):
I thought about it. I mean, in fact, I've been
toying with my websites that Ido for my older podcasts. And
one of my video things calledthe shiny developer series, I
had actually leveraged a packagethat hooked up to the Hugo
static site engine. And I wastoying with the idea of with
some XML or RSS packages ofmaybe as a test using our to

(47:14):
literally produce the XML feed,and then publish that
dynamically the object storageand seeing how far I could get
have an 80% of the way there,but it's like a mix of our in
Python things. So there's, Iwould not be surprised if I
could build a shiny app that isa very bare bones like podcast
app, I'm sure it's possible. So

Dave Jones (47:35):
they there's a thriving like our package,
package ecosystem there that hasa lot of libraries that you can
tap into.

Eric Nantz (47:44):
Absolutely, there's at least 25,000 packages and our
package repository called cran,which is called the
Comprehensive our archivenetwork, which is kind of
similar if you see pandas, soyou found exactly the words on
my mouth. But then that's notcounting all the ones that are
just on GitHub, or Bitbucket orother git lab. Others that they

(48:08):
just don't want it to be oncran. But they still want people
to install. So there's like1000s of others just in that
space alone. And we cover like Isaid, almost any area you can
think of there's typically apackage for it. Oh,

Dave Jones (48:21):
well, that. Speaking of speaking of object storage,
and this is I don't know if ify'all had heard about this, but
have you heard of denial ofwallet? Oh, no, that sounds bad.
This is sort of a new class of,of attack that you spent, I

(48:41):
don't know if it's across allobject storage providers. But I
know it definitely applies toAWS, you can have so you still
get charged for puts for AWSObject Object Storage put
operations even if they fail. Sobasically some use somebody can
just flood a bucket of yourswith failed puts and rack up

(49:09):
1000s of dollars in charges ifon an open bid even if the
buckets and even if the bucketsprivate I don't know if there's
been any effective way to stopthis yet. But if you just
basically just get if you gettargeted you just have to have
an uncomfortable conversationwith with Amazon and beg them to

(49:32):
just you know killed the chargesfor you. Some of the what
something to watch out for somethat have something to keep in
mind and watch out on your bill.Yeah, that's right. Cotton, Jen,
the attacker that yeah, theydon't even have to be an AWS
customer. All they all they needis just some sort of library for
object storage, like even s3 CMDor something like that. And it

(49:56):
doesn't matter if you've got allthe prior OSI turned on just
that just millions and billionsof failed. Put transactions to
the object storage will rackwill incur cost on your AWS
bill.

Adam Curry (50:12):
2020 nightmare 2022. heli pad spreadsheet is 15
Meg's.

Dave Jones (50:22):
15. Meg's that's not No, it's not bad.

Adam Curry (50:25):
And let me see how many rows that is. Well, that's
2022. And it's 99,468 rows.

Dave Jones (50:40):
Oh, that's not that's bad

Eric Nantz (50:42):
enough. Yeah, that's,

Dave Jones (50:44):
it isn't nothing. It has been in the back of my mind,
I've been worried about how bigis this? You know, see, because
helipads just a web server ontop of SQLite. This syncs with L
and D. So I'm like, Well, howbig is this database gonna get?
I mean, when does it well,

Adam Curry (51:00):
we have a problem where you really notice it is I
had to reinstall. So not justupgrade, but reinstall helipad,
and then helipad basically goesthrough your whole node and, and
reads everything in again. AndI'd say took about 30 minutes.
So but, but it's reading back,you know, to 2022. So it's doing

(51:20):
quite a bit there. I'll just,I'll do some work on it. I'll
add to this conversation.

Dave Jones (51:26):
Okay, cool.

Adam Curry (51:28):
Can we talk about publisher feeds? Yes. I have a,
I have a use case. I have animportant use case, which I'd
like to talk about. Okay. SoI've been invited to speak at
the N. RB and the NRA NationalReligious broadcasts, correct.

(51:49):
You nailed it. You nailed it,the knot and total get as it
gets out? Well, you nailed it.And that's a big, it's like, you
know, it's like the NationalBroadcasters Association only
for Religious Broadcasters.

Dave Jones (52:02):
Which I have nerd.

Adam Curry (52:04):
Nerd a bunch of nerves, which I've accepted.
That's in February. But throughthis, you know, I said, Well,
what do you guys really dealingwith the end, they had, there's
a huge problem. And I think wecan solve some of that for them.
And I have some people who wantto try it with us. And I was
thinking that perhaps thepublisher feed works in this

(52:26):
context. So here's the lay ofthe land. There are about 3000
religious broadcast radiostations in the US. And, and
these stations, as you canimagine, there's some that are
doing quite well, but most ofthem are dying. And when I say
dying, you know, they're they'reclosing, they're off the base

(52:48):
that just keeping thetransmitters going. And, and
they don't even have morningshows their own shows anymore of
the, you know, what they do isthey're really just selling
their airtime. So you have bigpastures and then religious
broadcast. Companies that makecontent and they buy airtime on

(53:08):
the stations. And then theprogramming themselves, they
solicit donations, they solicitthey do the Ask it's a complete
value for value play, there'sthere are some ads stations with
ad but in general, that's kindof how it works. You have a
religious show religion, areligious show, you got to show

(53:29):
a faith based programming andview by the airtime on all the
stations and then you do yourpitch and then people send you
the money so you can recyclethem back paid back to the
stations. So they all know thatthey have to go digital and the
biggest so all of them havewebsites. And they'll then put
these they'll put the you knowthere's this some companies that

(53:54):
offer like kind of like a webapp so you can integrate you
know, the programming that youalready have and then add your
own programming. But the biggestproblem of course, is
attribution. And that then whenI say that it's like, how do
they know what station wasresponsible for somebody signing
up or sending a donation in yourwin right?

Dave Jones (54:16):
Yeah, like Yeah, like because they don't have
like a vanity URLs. Yeah,there's

Adam Curry (54:21):
a whole promo code bond Gino. Okay, so my pitch to
the Religious Broadcasters is asfollows. And of course you were
talking value for value herebecause you know, and I and I
have to say I, I leaned heavilyon the look how easy it is on
true fans to top up your wallet.You don't even have to mention

(54:44):
Bitcoin. You just need to buyfive bucks you use your Google
Pay or your Apple Pay and you'regood to go. So the question is,
if I'm a station in Houston, andAnd I have a publisher feed. Let

(55:04):
me see if I'm explaining thisright way. So I would like to
say, hey, because of course theyhave they have their own, you
know, the liners that thestation runs, yeah, hey, this is
k, k God in Houston. And, youknow, check out k God on a Euro,
your modern podcast app. And yougo in there, and they find que
God, it's a publisher feed. Andthis is the way I envision it.

(55:27):
And I just want to know if it'spossible. So the publisher feed
would then have, you know, TonyEvans and focus on the family
and you know, Bill Higgs, andyou know, anyone I can think of
the ones that they have on theirstation, but the ones that they
have a relationship with Him sothat the radio station is
essentially saying, Get anypodcast app, find k God in your

(55:51):
app, and there will be all thestations that we endorse,
including, this is my my bigpitch, including our new our new
local show, because it's so muchcheaper to produce now. Can you
have as a publisher, so if I'mTony Evans, and I have a podcast
that is running on K God inthat, can I put that in their

(56:12):
publisher feed? Can I havemultiple? Can I be in multiple
publisher feeds if I have anagreed relationship with them?
So yes, how is that verified?How was that? How can you check
if someone puts it in andthey're not really there? And
the second part is, can I thenalso receive a portion of the
value block because these areremote items, so that I

(56:35):
automatically get my my VIG, theminute someone donates, and that
we don't have to go through thatwhole rigmarole of buying of
buying a piece of my presence inthe apps. Does that make sense?

Dave Jones (56:49):
The first part makes sense. I'm not sure I followed
100%. On the second part,whoever did so the first first
part first. So the the publisherfeeds don't consider there's a
difference between the technicalimplementation in this sort of
conceptual implementation.Conceptually, it's meant that it

(57:13):
was it was kind of we came upwith it. For one, it was it was
dreamed up for one reason forone sort of use case, and that
was, one person owns multiplepodcasts. I know, I

Adam Curry (57:25):
understand. That was the original idea. But

Dave Jones (57:28):
that, but there's nothing but that's just a
concept, it doesn't mean that itcannot be used for other
reasons. mean, like, so in thiscase, in my use case, it doesn't
mean as the eggs it also doesn'tmean it's the appropriate use.
Like, it's kind of both ways. Imean, like it does, can you do
it? Yes. Should you do it? Idon't know. Like, there may be a

(57:51):
better way to do it. Okay, well,

Adam Curry (57:53):
so the idea is, if we have, basically I'm looking
at the publisher feed as achannel, but I also see that
local Houston entity is apublisher is not the creator. So
now it comes in interpretationof Publisher, but forget about
that, because we can makesomething else if this doesn't
fit. But they're a publisher,they publish in their channel,

(58:15):
which should they promote, theyactively promote, hey, listen to
all these these cool shows inour channel in any podcast app,
then you want to go therebecause we also have our own
podcast. And you know, we havespecial offers, fill in the
blank. So then there has, sowhat I like about the publisher
feed is you have a verification,so that you can check in the

(58:40):
original, in this case, TonyEvans feed, you can check that
Oh, yes, indeed, they really area part of this publisher, but
they can be part of multiplepublishers around the country or
around the world.

Dave Jones (58:56):
Okay, so let me see. So you would have Yeah, this is
kind of where I've, this I thinkI understood what you were
saying. Because this this is alittle bit. It kind of flips
what on earth? Conceptually, itflips it around. Yes, it does.
It does. It does instead of onepublisher, many feeds sort of

(59:17):
like mini feeds one, or this issort of like mini publishers one
feed. Like there's so you haveTony Evans feed, who could exist
in multiple published Yes.

Adam Curry (59:31):
And the reason why it's important is because I
guess technically the app wouldverify or something. There's a
verifications like oh, okay,these two are indeed connected.
Now that connection is done byconsensus between those two
parties offline. You know, sayhey, you can put us in and we
and we will verify by putting inour feed that yes, you are an

(59:55):
official publisher distributorradio station, call away you
want it Then the critical part,the critical part is when
someone sends value, can thestation then right away, get a
pre arranged split in the valueblock because they are an
approved publisher?

Dave Jones (01:00:17):
I think what I think what you're saying would work
yeah.

Adam Curry (01:00:22):
The enthusiasm and the certainty of how you
answered that has me worried.

This downtrend. I'm trying to think of downsides
before I say, yeah.

And the reason why I ask is because I have stations,
and I have publishers who arevery excited about the idea.

Okay, so what I'm thinking of, though, is that, is
it appropriate to have? Is thatthe right thing to do to have a
publisher feed for this scenarioversus just a playlist?

Well, this the verification part that I think
is important, I mean, I figuredcould also do it with a pod roll
technically. But I don't know. Imean, I like the idea of being
able to go into a podcast appand search for k g, O D radio
station. And that will be acollection of feeds that that

(01:01:24):
station endorses, and theymaintain that list, that list is
verified. So they can just addpeople who aren't actually
verified as as affiliates,because they are going to then
as their broadcast towers slowlymelt into the mud of climate
change, they will be able topromote their channel in the

(01:01:45):
modern podcast apps. Because thething is, they know they're not
getting young people anymore.They know that's over. And so
they're trying to fit what do wedo with this asset? Well, we
move in because they still wantto broadcast. And they still
want to keep their local flavor,which is important, which is
what radio is good at. Sowhatever the system is, that's

(01:02:06):
what I need. Because I thinkthere's a huge, particularly as
radio is is shifting. And youhave Ms. NPR could do this too.
But you know, NPR, but theycould do the exact same thing
with their local stations. Theycould say, hey, go to Kuku t,
this the Austin NPR station. Andnormally they buy all the all

(01:02:30):
this programming. So you canhear Terry Gross. Now, they may
also have their local shows, andyou go to any modern podcast
app, you search K UT, and andyes, you can get their local
programming, but here is there,boom, there's their channel,
there's their publisher feed,whatever we call it, there's
that thing. And underneath thatit has all these feeds, the
value block splits are all setup in the background, and it's

(01:02:53):
an approved, verified system. Sothat, you know, they should they
they, in a perfect world, theapp would only show feeds that
are verified through thatthrough that feed pointing back
to that publisher, when thatwhen that channel comes up. Wow,
have I explained that right?

You're I think what's throwing me off is the
value flow part. No. Are yousaying that there's value
flowing through to thepublisher? Yeah,

Unknown (01:03:24):
so we're okay. Yeah, automatically,

because the publisher feed itself doesn't
have a value blog. There's noreason it can't, but it doesn't
have one. Like, as of right now,that wasn't really

well, I guess. Well, because when I looked at the at
the publisher feed spec, they'reall remote items. Right? Right.
So I could then I'm justpresuming I can then say
alright, I'm a publisher. I'vethese are my verified shows. So
they're they're they're showingin my feed when someone boosts

(01:03:57):
Can we somehow tie in the valueblock for that station? For a
pre arranged percentage 10%Whatever. Just like we do with
value time split doors that theymight complicating things too
much.

It would be it would be better if the publisher feed
had the value blog in it. Yeah.Which there's no reason it
can't.

I'm breaking your brain more than Eric I love it.
I mean Dobby Das is in the bizrockin in the boardroom saying
yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It'spossible. Yes, yes, yes. But I
mean, he's way deeper deeperinto it than I am. So.

Yeah, no, there's a case. Just be clear. There is no
But look, there is no reasonthat a value blog cannot be in
the publisher feed. And itshould. the only the only thing
is right now, that's not goingto, that's going to go nowhere.

(01:05:20):
At this point, I mean, this theposter feed stuff is just it's
so brand new.

Well, that's why I'm trying to insert everything now.
Like, can we change something?Or is there if it needs to be
something else? That's okay. The

know the way this stuff is all built? Is this all
built on? You know, their, theirwidgets? You know, they're
plugged, they're these piecesplugged together? I mean, the
brilliant part of this that Alexcame up with was the remote
item. Yes, yes. Yes, yes. Which,you know, because once you have
that piece, you can just plugthings in. And so a publisher

(01:05:54):
feed is just an RSS feed is justa podcast feed. So you can plug
anything in it. But but the whatyou have to do in order for it
to actually function in, in theway you intend, is you have to
have app level support? Ofcourse, of course, of course,

I know that so that

when you're listening, it has the app knows
to look for these things. Yes.And this, if that's the if
that's the case. And you havethat, yeah, there's no reason
that wouldn't work

isn't maybe, because I can see so many you even with
music, I can see. So I can Iunderstand how publisher feeds
work with music. And it's reallyjust terminology, because all
versions of the same thing. Soin this case, I'm really talking
about a distributor feed. Andwhat does that mean? That means

(01:06:50):
that the distributor ispromoting actively promoting
their channel, theirdistribution channel, and they
have relationship with the feedsthat are provided in that
channel. And what I'd like toadd to that is that that
relationship flows all the waythrough to value time split,

(01:07:13):
that the apps recognize that sothis is the attribution part I
was talking about. So if, if kGod and Houston is promoting the
crap out of their, their, theirK God channel in the modern
podcast apps, maybe they even doa deal with, with true fans and
with fountain and with PODverse, and say, Hey, promote our

(01:07:37):
promote our K God channel, thatthen people go to the app, they
hit it. And then as they'relistening to any of those
podcasts in it. So I wouldpresume that you would actually
subscribe to the K Goddistribution channel, one, click
subscribe, and you get all ofthe new episodes from

(01:07:57):
everything. Underneath that now,you could always go and find
Tony Evans yourself. But thenwhen, when, when you when you're
playing, when you're listening,then automatically a piece goes
back to the distributionchannel, because they promoted
it.

See, this is what okay, this is what keeps
bringing me back to the to theidea that there may there may be
better than just have this thingbe a playlist. This in this
sense, because the key Godthere, they would have just a

(01:08:36):
normal podcast feed. Yeah. Andthey're going to have and
they're going to be put in whatthey would be publishing is
remote items from from TonyEvans feed or all these other
feeds. And then they built intothat they would have the value
block in the item just directly,right. So go ahead. And then and

(01:09:01):
that's already that's alreadyaccounted for, because you
really don't need the two wayverification in this sense. I
mean, the two way verification,because what because what you're
doing, you're going to kg ODSfeed, they created that feed,

(01:09:21):
and they're not, they're notclaiming that they're owned by
that they own these otherthings. They're not making that
claim. That's what the publisherfeed concept does. Okay, it
could publish with a conceptmakes an ownership claim, right?
The the playlist just makes justmakes an assertion that here is

(01:09:47):
I'm giving you a link to thisother content. And for that, for
that benefit. I want to get apiece of of the action. Yeah. So
if kg Oh, D just has a playlistfee but basically public medium
equals playlist one of theplaylist categories, then there

(01:10:12):
are a podcast that all is partof what it would be medium
because podcast L, they can thenhave a links to all the to all
these content, all this content,and they just controlled the
split directly. Okay.

Okay, now just bear with me. I like it. So one last
question. Okay, so the remoteitems, can the remote items,
just say any new episode fromthese feeds or does not have to
be items individually to theyhave to go in and edit and say
okay, we want the latest TonyEvans who want the latest this
the latest that the latest this?

It could be it would have to be specific. Okay,
though, it has to be lessspecifically identified. But I
would think NEC and you know,CMS can be could do that could
pull the latest and insert thatdata in there doesn't sound like
a barrier to me. Okay. Alright,guys. We can mark it up, you

(01:11:12):
know, like, like, yeah, we

need to Jesus feed mock up. And yeah. Yeah, mocking
it up would actually be goodjust wouldn't get our heads
around it then. And I wouldn'tbe pushing this this hard. If I
didn't have a real worldscenario, and people actually
excited about this, who are introuble? And who, and who want

(01:11:36):
to move to a new realm and havebig towers to broadcast and
promote this stuff, promote ourapps promote value for value
promote the whole thing. And andthey want to play? You know, so
I really, I'm very interested intrying to make this work.

Yeah, I think the the, I just feel like the
playlist is the best way. Yeah.Because, you know, Bs, Steven
bass, right? Publisher feeds areexpecting to be pointing to
feeds and not not items.

Which is what I was kind of looking for I was kind
of looking for. It's almost likean OPML file, you know, where
you subscribe to an OPML. file?And then right, and then you
just you get the new episodesautomatically, instead of there
being a secondary process?

Yes. I think what you're envisioning is a way to
make make it sort of easy tosyndicate.

Yeah, it was totally about syndication as complete.
That's entirely what it is.Because

you, like in your mind, you're saying, Okay, well,
I just want to put this feed inhere. And then, and then that
automatically just gets all thecontent, right.

But people subscribe to one feed, the K Gods feed,
and then they get all thatcontent when it comes out. And
the only, which I know ispossible with the publisher
feed, even though that's more ofan ownership, I get it all. But
that's what kind of struck meit's like, wow, this is a cool
way to do it. And then we justwant the attribution part, which
is the Okay, so when I'mlistening to this new episode,

(01:13:17):
which is a remote item comesfrom some other from the Tony
Evans fee, but I'm listening toit in this one feed that I'm
subscribed to, then I want thevalue block stuff to also work
as a as a remote as a value timesplit.

Yeah, I'm just concerned about the, I'm
concerned about the connectivitynot going through correctly on
the app side. Was that, like,you sort of like that concept
you have have? Is, is intendedto be it does exist on the on

(01:13:54):
the app, if they supportpublisher fees, but it's meant
to be loose. You know, it'smeant to be like a loose
connection between feeds andtheir publisher. And what I mean
by loose is, I mean, like theydon't, you can just you can
decide at any time, okay, I'mgonna go find out who the
publisher is. Or I'm going tofind out which feeds these

(01:14:16):
publisher owns. What you need todo, the thing that you're
talking about is sort of a tightcoupling. Yeah. Because you're
you need a tighter couplingthat's more akin to value time
split, yes. Where, where thatwhere the, the content that's
being played at any momentreally is tied to the publisher.

(01:14:39):
Like it needs to be becausemoney is being sent. And so at
any given time, the podcast appneeds to know what it's like the
exact relationship between thesetwo entities. And I don't and I
think that the properconceptually the proper use for
that is a playlists, okay? Ifthere's something about, like, I

(01:15:03):
don't mind marking this up, Ican, I can do that. And if
they're in the process, if if wefind that there's something that
doesn't work, I mean, we canalso we can always, you know,
add to this bag to make it,

I love it. I love it. Because so I mean, so at
least you understand theelements. The idea is radio
station has relationship withpublishers, whether that's
however that is, and for thatrelationship, that means that
they can promote one feed,subscribe to this in your modern

(01:15:35):
podcast app. And I'menvisioning, you know, radio
stations blasting out names ofapps. Okay. I mean, this is this
is where I'm going, I'm goingbig. And, you know, like the
full monty because it's that isthat dire? Really, I mean, they
want stupid Adam curry used tocome and talk, you know, it was

(01:15:55):
like that, like, oh my god, whatm&ms Does he want only red and
green. So you know, they're verydesperate, the very desperate
big bowl, the ferret desperateto understand how they can move
into the digital era with thiswith this content, syndication
method, so that they providevalue, but then they right away

(01:16:16):
get a piece of the value insteadof this old fashioned buying,
you know, then putting theyactually have the act, there's a
CMS type system called M M bossor something, am B O S, that
does a lot of this distributionstuff automatically. And
everyone's sick of it, you know,it's like, we need to move to
digital and they don't know howto do it. And but the value

(01:16:39):
there's such huge value for thenext 10 years in these towers,
broadcasting subscribe to K Godon on your modern podcast app.
And then all the other stuff wehave to fix for them. That's the
podcasting. 2.0 part. The end.So that's what I'd like to
deliver because it is exactlythe same thing. NPR needs, by

(01:17:01):
the way, whether they're smartenough to realize it or not. Era
Yes, though, it's big. It's areally big idea. Well,

okay, so if you look at the podcast namespace and
look under the medium tag, inthe examples, there's an
example. That is basically this,except it's using in this
scenario, it's using music as anexample. But this is but it's
essentially the same thing.Except this would not be a music
example, this would just be apodcast example. But it's

(01:17:32):
basically saying podcast ismeat. And here is music. L So
instead of that, in thisscenario would be podcast L.
Yeah. And you would just have alist of of remote items and
evaluate Sam

Seth is in the boardroom and he's saying hey,
you know this we do this we thisworks that Sam you should be
boosting that hello whathappened? What happened to the
income stream Sam used to beboosted ramming that the trigger
sound let's mock it up. Dave,you and I will work on this
market because that would besome hot stuff, man. Hi, there's
no super hot market up Hey,should we take a little break

(01:18:07):
and listen to some music andthen we'll come back and talk
some more nerd stuff

before we do this? Eric Are you Are you okay?

Eric Nantz (01:18:14):
I'm good. Yeah. Join us like everyone else.

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lecture Domesday, the trusted on your podcasting
team. Yeah, I love those guys Ithink are great. Just one other
thing because there's anotheroutfit I've been talking to just

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to get everyone all excitedbecause I'm bringing the
Satoshis baby there is a newmedia startup, probably the best
funded since Axios. Man thatlike $15 million, I think they
already have have raised forthis and they're going to be
doing a monthly, like big withan audience, this interview type

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setting with multiple hosts, Imean think I think a rock and
roll version of a debate, butnot it's not really a debate.
And they're going real big withthis. And I've been asked to be
an advisor, which as you know, Idon't do. But I did say let me
stop you before you make somebig mistakes because they

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already Yeah, we're gonna buildan app and everybody will watch
it on that app. Say you're anidiot. Stop, stop, stop. And
then so I laid it all out forwith my explained to you all
these features you have in yourapp, we already have that. And
it's an all these apps. And thenwhen I showed him the late
stuff, they went nuts, like howcan I say you can do voting, you

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can have all kinds of like,well, this is what we need. This
is what we want. So I just wantto say I'm working for y'all.
I'm working. I'm working. I'mworking. I'm working on the
railroad all the live long dayto to poopoo.

It this is a this is a Todd Cochran level secret
company that cannot be named?Not

yet. No. But within within hours by July, they'll be
able to be to be named I mean, Idon't want when they have their
sizzle reel, then we'll all knowwhat it's about. But I
specifically actually I said,Hey, you know, look at all these
apps. But if you want to seewhat's possible, look at true

(01:23:29):
fans. Because if you want to, ifyou want to see all the stuff
that's out there, if you want tosee everything that's possible,
it's all these features you'vebeen talking about. Here it is,

if you want to see everything that's possible, and
some things that are not Yeah,

some things are completely impossible, but yet
the true fans.fm. But, you know,they they just, you know, they
they know about a lot of ourapps already. And they're just
so I just took them away fromhim with some for some reason.
They have this belief that andI'm sure some app company told
them this, that they could notget high quality video unless it

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was native and apps.

I don't know what that means, like, yeah, exactly.

bullcrap. So they were told, because it's a video,
it's a video thing. Yeah, we'retold that unless they go with a
native app, then they'll neverget the high quality video
they're looking for. That'stotal horse here.

Does that. Yeah.

It says total horse drive that. Yeah, this is
totally not true. So that's thelevel I'm dealing with. But
we're working on it. We're

working on it. Yes, you're evangelizing I, of

course I am. In more ways than one day for more ways
than

press the lights bringing them in. That's right.

That's right. From all nations, all nations.

Do you want to I've got a couple of things on mine.
Yes, of course. Do you have. Doyou want to talk about the open
podcast sinking? yeah that JackJack Dorsey's interview about

I didn't see Jack Dorsey's interview, but I had no
idea what you're talking about.

Oh, you did? He did an interview in this in this
thing called pirate wires. Okay,that wasn't aware of this outfit
pirate wires.com. He just talkeda lot about about social media
and being way out I mean, Idon't know. What do you want to
you want to get you want to go?techie want to go nerdy?

Well, let me let me just let me just say, let me say
one thing, I'll say one thing,and then you take it wherever
you want to go. But just wantedto discuss the latest Apple ad.
That is so controversial, I'd

do this this ad. I don't see why this is such a big
deal. It's just a bunch of it'sjust marketing crap. Ah,

this is why this is why I wanted to give you my
opinion, which as you know, isthe most important thing to me.
Apple, because you know, ascompared to the 1984, the
introduction of the Mac, youknow, the big brother thrown the
sledgehammer through the screen.Apple is known, and the company,

(01:26:13):
the actual DNA of the company,when Steve Jobs was there, and
then he went away, and he cameback was, it was Steve Jobs was
a messianic like figure, SteveJobs was a creator. And here's
where I'm gonna use that termthat he created. He created art,

(01:26:34):
he created beautiful machines.He, he wanted to create things
that people could create things,building up a creative creating,
making, giving beauty to theworld, the culture and Apple is
now Satan. Because they wentcompletely destructive. It that

(01:26:55):
shows you that Apple, I'm shortApple, because that shows you
the culture inside their companyhas now become destructive.
That's where that comes from.They showed destruction instead
of creation, very telling for meabout the zeitgeist, the vibe,

(01:27:15):
the DNA and the soul of Applehas flipped, they have gone
dark.

That's an interesting take. Okay, so like,
I just saw this as an ad, likeevery other ad is just like,
whatever. I mean, I have I haveno reaction to things like this,
because I'm like, it's just,it's just marketing me. Like,
it's like, scrubbing bubbles inyour toilet for your toilet.
Like, who cares? I'm justwriting psychological take on

(01:27:44):
this that I had not considered.But I've

been in I've had an advertising agency, these
things, they, you know, if theydidn't come from within the
company, they, especially theseaspirational type things. They
come from within the soul of thecompany. And then particularly
with an apple, they don't justput these big ads out and put it
this a very expensive ad. Theycome with a lot of approvals.

(01:28:08):
They go through a lot ofprocesses, a lot of people that
you know, steering committees,they have to think about it. And
the soul of Apple is nowdestructive. I mean, this is
something that I mean, you know,we once did a Super Bowl ad for
Oracle, oh, man, it was it wasfields of wheat, and it was
beautiful and windmills. Andyeah, it was all fantastic. And

(01:28:29):
I know how these things are madeand how it gets, you know, Larry
Ellison had to be personallyinvolved. And, you know, we had
the conceit of the entirecampaign, you know, all these
fancy marketing words, thisstuff only gets through and that
is the soul of the company. Andwhen I started I don't give a
crap I don't have Mac stuffanymore. But I don't have an I

(01:28:49):
used to be a big, big Applefanboy until they screwed up
USB. And but they've alwaysthey've always given the this is
for the crazy ones, you know,this is the uplifting building
and when you show destructionlike that, bad marketing is
important marketing determinesthe determines what you are

(01:29:11):
saying about yourself as acompany Apple, you know, Apple
never said you know, we have thefastest we have the this, you
know, it was like, here's whatyou can do with it. That was
it's actually one of the there'sa famous video called What is
your why? And I forget the guywho does that. And he uses Apple

(01:29:36):
as as an example. And Apple wasso different particularly in the
market because let's face it.Apple computers pretty much
sucked up until OSX. I mean,there was a lot of issues
compared to what else was outthere. But it would had such a

(01:29:56):
cool, you know, just had such anincredible Inspirational vibe to
have. That's why people whocreate things create art have
always been drawn to it. But nowit's like, no, no, no, you're
evil now, anyway, that was justmy opinion.

not thought of it in those terms, Simon

Sinek, I think is the guy's name find your why
Simon Sinek

it one thing I've always been interested in is how
this sort of goes back to, toyour theory about a sort of a
dimension, a dimension V typething where you have where
people read. I mean, we all dothis. It's not, it's not any one
person ever, humanity does this,we all read the actions of

(01:30:43):
others into our, through our ownlens, sure we bring, we bring a
worldview or a framework toother people's words and
actions, that we then interpretwhat they have done and said, in
a way that makes sense to basedon our background and our life

(01:31:04):
experiences. So we sit, weessentially listen to what
people say, watch what they do.And then we tell ourselves a
story about what they mean, bydo, but what those things mean.
And I'm always interested inwhat the story is that we tell
ourselves about these thingsthat that are out there. One

(01:31:30):
thing I used to always enjoydoing is posting a headline, I
like these ambiguous. I wouldread an article. And, and
sometimes the headline isambiguous. It is a it's a thing
that can go either way, likeleft or right. You know, in sort

(01:31:55):
of, like, either way, and thenyou just post it. And you see
how people react to it. They'relike, yeah, or no, or like it's
but but really, it's like, ifyou the intent of the article is
one way, but people would readit both ways. So I guess what

(01:32:17):
I'm saying is one thing that Ididn't think about with this ad
is since people are reading itas the way you said as
destruction. And I mean, clearlythat's what it is. But what I
mean is I ignored the fact thatit got so many people so upset.

(01:32:39):
And that's probably

a noteworthy occurrence.

Yeah, it probably indicates that there's, it's
probably a good barometer forthe way people's minds are
currently in culture. They'reafraid. They're afraid of
people. They're afraid ofcorporations, governments, large
institutional players, crushingthem. People, people feel

(01:33:09):
crushed. People feel like theirjobs are going to be taken away
by technology. People feel liketheir dreams are being crushed
by the march forward of quoteunquote, society. I

think you're nailing it here.

Total in book because people feel that way.
Because that's a sort ofprevailing zeitgeist of the way
of in everyone's mind. There's atrip there's a says there's a
like a permeating trepidation ofthese sorts of things. You end

(01:33:46):
up with reactions to they'reprobably overreactions. But
their reactions that make sensebased on what people already
have inside of them. You know,there's a there's a sort of the

(01:34:07):
story that people tellthemselves about what they see
now is dark. Because they theyexpect it to be dark. It that's
the way things feel right now.Yeah. And so that I think, yeah,
that you I accept yourreprimand.

(01:34:33):
Accepted. Yeah, there's there'sa there's a Do you know the term
actinic actinic? No, it's like,it means like it's the sort of

(01:34:54):
chemical damage that happenswhen, with like, high energy
lie. It's like an ultravioletdamage that happens. It damages
and damages like tissuechemically based on light
energy. This feels like thatsort of thing. This This feels

(01:35:14):
like an actinic moment whereApple thought they were doing
something very cute and veryprogressive. And very, like,
look look at how amazing thisis. Yeah. And their own
amazement add themselves causedamage. Hmm

yeah, the meaning of actinic Relating to or resulting
from exhibiting chemical changesproduced by radiant energy,
especially in visible andultraviolet parts of the
spectrum.

Yeah, this is this is a, this feels like they feel
a sort of they this thisradiance that they want to
portray is ending up beingharmful. This this this
portrayal of themselves andtheir products as soon as
amazing and

they're sad. They're trying to be the light, but
they're frying everybody withit.

It fried everybody's brain. Yeah, you know, you know,
what else put puts out a lot oflight. Nuclear nuclear
explosions and lasers are notlaser lasers. Yeah, I mean,
things that I think there's apoint in which light is no
longer helpful. It's harmful.Yeah. And I think that their own

(01:36:41):
vision of themselves has becomea little too pure.

Also, I feel in general, and Eric fields, but
feel free to chime in wheneveryou want. Since we're doing
philosophy corner. I feel ingeneral, that the way the people
are feeling today is they aregadget tired. They are tired of
gadgets and then tchotchkes thatlongterm under deliver Amazon

(01:37:08):
Alexa is biz comes to mind,right off the bat, how many
people I haven't heard say, notthrew that thing out. Me all. I
did only set timers for me and Igot some other speakers solution
for sound. I think thatconsidering how people are
feeling about their pocketbook,you know, the next iPhone, you
know, it's like, no, no, it'slike, what, what can you really

(01:37:29):
do for me? And, you know, and anAI is not really it, it's AI has
the same problem. noster has,you know, nostre is a, just a
social network, that doesn'twork really well. And AI is just
a chatbot that gets it wrong allthe time.

Yeah, yeah. You know, much as a really fast
chatbot for wrong answer. Yeah,

my sister is in that in that she never ceases. She
has heard she got her master'sin psychology, but she's an
online psychology that they haveto ask her the the title like an
engineer, basically. And sheworks for tech companies. And
she uses whatever's available,whatever tools for search for
shopping sites. And, and so likebig ones, like really big stuff.

(01:38:16):
And, and so she's doing a lot ofcustom MLMs for, for catalog
companies. And she says, Man,it's so expensive. And it's but
the companies are also in on it.And even. And I said, Well, you
know, I'm waiting for the pivotto quantities. Oh, no, we almost
missed that they're already allover at companies want quantum

(01:38:39):
computing for their search andrecommendation. And from what
she has heard, Google actuallyhas an outrageously good quantum
computer that can do exactlythat type of search. But by the
time you add on all thefeatures, she says is
unaffordable. There's no way inhell she says anyone's ever

(01:39:02):
going to use this stuff becauseof the affordability. And we're
going to run out of computingpower and power itself to even
see if it works.

So I believe I can believe that. Yeah, for sure
that that makes a lot of sense.There's a general fatigue.
There's a tech fatigue that ispervasive, pervasive right now.
That's right. It is sopervasive, I cannot tell you how
many people I talk to that so sothere's a friend of mine that

(01:39:34):
did a was involved in a startupthat they're, they're struggling
right now. Probably not going tomake it and it was a very
forward looking startup. Theycan't sell it. They can't sell
this product has no money. It'sno money. There's no money.

(01:39:57):
There's no money out there andyou know Uh, that's the second
friend of mine that I've hadwho's had a startup failure in
the last in the last two years.There's just no appetite for
this stuff anymore. You know, wemy wife's gotta get a fairly

(01:40:17):
decent new computer. Andsomebody sent her some PDFs the
other day a PDF attachments. Andjust to fill out like a W nine
or whatever to so they could shecould take it 1099 Her first and
art work. And we cannot look,I've been a sysadmin for 28

(01:40:42):
years. I could not get theseattachments to work. Does she
have an iPad? It knows a Mac isthere is the basics within the
technology world do not workreliably. Yeah, they just don't

(01:41:05):
we, that the tech fatigue comesfrom, like, we used to be able
to get away from stuff. So youwould come home. And you when
you entered your home. You Youwere disconnected from the world
at large. So you left the worldand you came home. And that was

(01:41:31):
a sort of like a it was arespite

you lose your kids

after dinner after. So you know it was a it was a
respite from this constant. Theworld out here it's hard to deal
with because of course it isbecause humanity and and
brokenness and sin and all thesekinds of things that we all deal
with is the world we live in.And it's it's there and it's
hard. And you come home andthere's a there's a respite that

(01:42:02):
you get to enjoy until the nextday, where you have to go and
you have to you have to toilagain. Now the world follows us
around constantly into our homesinto our bedrooms into there is
no relief.

Yeah, we saw we saw this common. We saw it all
coming. Yet

technology is not it's not. It has not been the
great liberator. Now, in a lotof sense, it has been a set of
shackles. Yes,

I did have a vision though. I had a vision. I had a
vision. And here's the wordsthat came out of my mouth. The
our podcast apps are about tobecome Swiss Army apps. There's
something going on with themedia that we're consuming the
media that when I think ithappened when I saw that chart
going up to 3000 feeds mediumequals music. I'm like, these

(01:42:55):
apps are going to be thedistribution apps in the future.
Because people are tired.They're tired of all these apps
for your streaming and your forthis and you for that and all
these things. And it'll all justwork in your Swiss Army app.

I want audio books in my chest and

yes, of course. Of course you're gonna get it
you're going to I promise you

I want I want that I've been listening to a lot of
audiobooks lately. Not as manypodcasts and man I could I would
tear up some audio books in myin pay for and dead stream sets
all day.

I'm a big audio book guy big. I mean, I that's how I
read books. You know, I read somuch I'm tired of reading so I
just want to hear it just justread it to me daddy. Me

too. Yeah, I mean I pay we pay 25 bucks a month.
Yeah, like big. The top tieraudible Yeah, and then you got
scription you have

8000 credits well you don't use them they're gonna
go away. I mean, we do valuevalue please please

let me stream I mean, there's so many good
narrators out there that withgreat pipes that could read all
kinds of books and just make areally good living off that
Yeah. On to point A What do yousay

to them? I'm an audio chunky as well.

Yeah. What do you use

it's audible unfortunately but I'm waiting
for modern adoption of these andthe apps the thing is

ma'am this so liberating the money is non
existent for authors andpublishers in Audible is
unbelievable. I toyed with thebook for a while. And then they
showed me the the mechanics andthe numbers. And basically you
will make no money off of thatAmazon takes it all, all of it.

In Spotify is audio book thing. That's just a that's
just a play to get there.Bundling does that you're not
going to make anything off that.So

hence, the honesty, the openness, the enthusiasm The
grassroots the scissoring ofpodcasting 2.0 is the future.

Podcasting 2.0 colon this scissoring? When a couple a
couple things, just things thathappened this week, AP bridge
fixed a fixed bug in that. Yeah.

What was the what was the what was the bug? So

that was related to Mastodon author with a thing
called authorized fetch. Hmm. Sowhat was happening was people
were trying to save people fromcertain instances like Mastodon,
if you have this mode turned on,you can go in there and enable a
thing in Mastodon calledauthorized fetch, but also other

(01:45:53):
other activity pub platformshave this to like miski and
Sharky. And in that thing,there's some others. It
basically just enforces HTTPrequests signing on every call,
not just posting. So foractivity, pub, for many activity

(01:46:13):
platforms, they require HTTPsigning. That means you have to
you have a private key. And youhave to send your public key and
the hash the signed hash with orthe sign digest in the HTTP
headers with the request ifyou're going to post a note. But

(01:46:35):
and that's all it's only it'sonly for posting, but then, and
things like follows. Butauthorize fetched in fetch
enforces it for every singlecall, even calls simple calls,
like acts act asking for anactor. So that's, that was it.
So we just had to start signingevery request. And now that's
fixed. It should be we should begood.

It was interesting in that conversation I had about
the just new media company. Iwas talking to him about
activity pub, and they reallyliked BA, they had no idea and I
started to explain it to him,and you saw their eyes. And I
was like, you know, once you canget them past the idea of
Mastodon and like this justhooks applications together. And

(01:47:18):
you can communicate I mean, thenthey're like, Wow, in the I
always use the washing machine.Like my washing machine can tell
me that a load has done that Ican publish it here. And I can
get it over here.

On master. Now, but yeah, they like to have can tell
me that the laundry is the dryeris finished.

We know people who understand media and
syndication, they get thisreally quick when you put it
into terms that they understandlike, oh, okay, okay. Yeah.

The API's. Now, publishing is now reporting the
publisher medium correctly, itwas not doing that before, get
got a couple more things to do.And the API for full publisher
mediums, support. I've got toadd support for, like, into the
endpoints got to deliver thatremote items correctly. So that

(01:48:13):
when you have a publisher feed,it'll it'll give you the remote
items

mean, like it should, right? That was yeah,
that you need to fix that. Yes,I remember that. Yeah.

Yeah, just need some. We just need full support.
I just gotta get in there and doit. Dovid I don't know if you
saw this Dobby. Das has a livestream test. Yeah. 24/7
switching

blocks every minute or something. Huh? Yeah, that's
cool.

So if anybody's wanting to support live streams
with value blocks, or I mean, orjust live streams in general,
with your podcast app, yeah. Gohook into WDS as live stream.
And that way you can, you know,sandbox, your app.

I love all of our hosting providers, all of them
for so many reasons. Andespecially the big ones who
support this, but also help memove when you know, when you
have a Buzzsprout adding a tag.It really moves stuff. Yeah, it
does. But I'm also so excited bythe 2.0 native guys, like Dobby
das and Barry. I mean, I'd liketo see more. You know, I

(01:49:16):
understand how the numbers work.You know, if you're, if you're
one guy, and you can do it alland you can develop and you
could make it all work. And youget you know, you got 1000
paying customers. You got abusiness.

That's not Yeah, that's where the scissors are.
Small guys. Yeah,

exactly. And there's a lot of scissoring going on
with those small guys that telly'all. Yeah.

Yeah, I think I think yeah, I think that's about
it. We can talk about openpodcasts and KPI next week. We
get some people to thankprobably,

Eric, anything else before we go into our thank
yous?

Oh, it's been lots of fun to join you all and if
you have, of course any feedbackon this A famous dashboard. It's
just a GitHub issue away orshout me out i Macedon that goes
anyone out there? I'm reallyeager to improve that a lot. We
love

what you're doing, man, we love that you're part of
the gang. It's it's great tohave we have such a cool,
eclectic, varied bunch.

Oh, it's a good writing. I really, really feel
great to be a part of this. AndI wish I could bring some of
that same energy to the audiencethat I have for my little
podcast called our weeklyhighlights. I haven't quite
caught on the value value trainyet, but I keep trying to unplug
it. What's

the where do we find is our our weekly highlights? Is
that what it's called? Yep, yep.In any in any modern podcast
app. I'm presuming.

That's right. It's even got the fancy chapter
images and links and all that.Nice.

podcast number 1062040. Just in

case you're keeping track. All right, let me run
down the booths. We've gottenquite a few booths live and then
we'll thank people who have comein throughout the week call
McCormack. 2222. thrown my namein the ring for V for V
narration and voice actingservices on anyone's audio book.
Brilliant opportunity. I agree.2222 from Steven B. He says we

(01:51:14):
need more philosophicalponderings from Dave some of the
best most thoughtful contentYes, that's what we're all
about. Eric peepee, where the3333 shred word with 1000 SATs
one of the doorbells Dave'sgetting very deep and
philosophical could use more ofthis under the 2.0 for man I'm
telling you until you shred wordagain with 1000 SATs was an
Apple fanboy to iPhone sevenwhen Steve Jobs passed the

(01:51:36):
company changed course. Been onAndroid and open source ever
since Apple is evolved. DredScott Dred Scott with a 666
Satoshis Apple boost questionmark. Yes. Then we go to another
SRX Edward Oh, he boosted duringthe during the song from the

(01:51:57):
trusted and he said heard it onP 2.0. Thank you 3333 From
Shedra there's no betterindustry to be first in on the
cutting edge of V four v thenreligious broadcasting. That's
right. Well, they were the firstones who showed up. You know 20
years ago. The God casters werethere first. Another 1500 from
shred word. extrordinary. Talktoday Adams going big. There Sam

(01:52:21):
Sethi with 1000 sad saying I'mtotally lost. I'm not sure what
point of the conversation thatwas but somewhere we lost Sam.
Guy Martin 9999 I have no ideawhat you guys are saying but I
love hearing totally competentpeople talk about their field of
expertise. You go Dred Scottwith a short row 2222 of the

(01:52:41):
ducks boosting the duck DB saltycrayon let's do to do did it for
the ducks. He says 5150 from thetone record Friday running with
scissors boost and I justfigured that might be 5150 that
says oh yeah, that might be agood one for a sound file. says
oh says Oh 5150 2220 from likeMike Newman sending ducks for

(01:53:02):
the testing. By the way the theso Chad F got the 777 that's the
harp 22,222 should have firedoff a duck boost. And then we
had the Oh striper boost noone's had a striper booths which
is 77,777 No, no,

no believe somebody just got a 777 Yeah, no, the
seven.

Three sevens is the harp. five sevens is the striper
boost.

I haven't heard anything come through the
soundboard and no no, no, no

people are out of sets. Ran they ran dry. Fill in
their wallets. 11 Allah 11,111row of sticks from champ how
does the splits affect this? Ifthe goal is to hit a certain
number with a trigger, see theinitial boost number or after
the splits are made. Okay,chimp. So in helipad, you can

(01:53:56):
choose to see the total numbersent or the just the amount you
received. I've chosen the totalnumber and the the boosts
actions. The actions are basedon the whole number. Then we
have as Jim should have gottenbecause he said 22,222 And I

(01:54:17):
would say that's the properamount but I think we had the
overlapping sounds there so I'msorry, it didn't fire off.
Pfeiffer freedom boost 1776.That's something I could put a
sound in for Jad F with a wholebunch of triple sevens. Dred
Scott 3141 10,000. From Sam, aswe already heard, Eric, our
podcast Eric 12345. And he saysHow about this super secure

(01:54:41):
password boost? Yes, yes, Ishould automatically send you my
private key. When when you losethat I'll do that in the

database access. Right. I just did it all.

Let me see. Then we had just a lot of people testing
out different booster mounts andA millennial props to Eric
massive pee pee on the helipadupdate already tied it into my
setup s way go. With a booboost. Hard Hat 3333 boosting it
works. Yes, we got the Boo Boosfrom blueberry. And oh yes

(01:55:15):
important to know that they'redoing a live Battle of the
Bands. Right after no agenda onJune 30. We had four artists
confirm and just five days,there'll be a live Battle of the
Bands. There's your tripleseven. That's an Eric DP. That's
Eric. PP. Exactly. Yes, that'sgonna be a cool one. All right,

(01:55:37):
everybody calm down. I still got777 SATs in here somewhere. I
can use that. Yeah, so that'sgoing to be I think a great
show. Looking forward to that.Give me some details. Guys. Give
me something to link to. Whichactually see here, and we'll
promote that of course. MoreTesting, testing, testing.

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Now Nice. We've got some pussy guess. Pay pals?
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Oh, Oscar. I think that

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Thank you Oscar in the boys over there at fountains
appreciate that as always. Weget Mitch in crayon and cow over
there at pod verse LLCheadquarters. $50

Thank you. Beautiful. Appreciate that.

Appreciate that. And Mitch is back in the saddle.
He's He's unburned out onFridays back all right, he's on
Friday. On Friday. Get somebooster grams I'll see. To make
sure I'm in the right spot here.Yes, I am. Todd from Northern
Virginia 11111 Big satchelRichards from tippet tub. Pod

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verse he says come for the hotnamespace talk stay for the 60
SQL go podcast.

Yes and I did get the did get the entire Hot
Pursuit movie in a decentquality so I'm pulling clips
pulling clips. What are myarchive? I'm

very good at in better audio than you had last
week. Yeah, after

the show we're like Hey, I think I found it we
listened to it man it is bad itis capital bad and I'm not
talking to Michael Jackson badis bad.

Please pull clips of get

good stuff pull some hot pursuit clips. Okay.

Normal Ross podcasts and everybody Karen down there
in, in Australia from 1111through found and he says I've
done some book reviews on myother podcast of amusing
ourselves to death and book warsabout the suppose a death of
physical books. If anyone wantsa condensed version of these
points. Technology can be summedup as just because we can
doesn't mean we will. That'sright. So to carry on 1985 for

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through the fountain app, hesays was waiting to hear Doc
Brown bust in and Yale 1.2jigowatts. That sucker will have
to be nuclear powered AI. That'sright. That's right. 1111 a
central Richards from old norm.Here's all nor old normal. Sick

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track. Heard it on podcast and2.0 episodes. 178 Oh, nice.
Thank you. Norm. Appreciate theOh Nora. Thank you Eleanor 5000
SATs from anonymous. Through podverse. Rumor has it Larry
Bladerunner was once hired todirect an adult film. The movie
was a flop but it gave birth tothe multiple orgasms genre.

Oh, there's information I didn't need. I

don't know what he's talking about. Just

a lot of genres on PornHub I guess. I

guess. Larry Blattner have no idea who that
is. Alright, thanks anonymous.Appreciate this.

Thank you for that info.

Yes, that's great. 2420 from Nura cheers to the
award winning John Holden.

That's my my nom de plume.

Andrew Gromit, 2222 Road ducks, thank you for the
API. It's the gift that keeps ongiving. And

thank you for making that web framework. Andrew
grommets important is going tobe really important moving
forward. Andrew

is one of those guys that just sneaks around and pops
up with a feature just comes outof nowhere, you know, I

also think he probably made a lot of money
somewhere. I got a feelingAndrew left my loser company,
and then went somewhere and hadan IPO event or something after
feeling Andrews doing good andI'm happy for him. Good.

Linkin Park rolls through fountain 10,000 SAS
price. Hey, guys, I'm not sureif this is a namespace thing.
But I think bookmarks would be agreat addition to podcasts and
people know apps. I'm on the gowhen I'm listening to podcasts
most of the time, and it wouldbe great to just hit a button on
my lock screen. to bookmarksomething I could clip or share
in the future. I know PocketCasts has this as a premium

(02:00:06):
feature so maybe a collab withthem as an order collab. PS
Adam, it will be awesome if youcould come on ungovernable
misfits in the future peacediet.

I'm sure we can work that out. Marking is a that's an
app feature. Right? That'snative to the apps I guess.

Yeah. I don't know that. That doesn't really feel
like a namespace.

No.

I feel like we're going back in time.

It is my it is my retro go back in time harp. Yes.
Yeah. I'm gonna have to removethat one is too easy for y'all.
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Look at this group drip just posted a link to a
Swiss Army app image. What isthe new chapter Meister? Man guy
he's out of control, out ofcontrol. But like I'll use it. I
use it dribble, use

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it for the art. That's great. Oh, nice.

Thank you all very much. The whole project here has
value for value and what afantastic amount of value we've
received today. I know we're alljust playing around. But man,
what a great. What a greatapplication helipad is and it
worked because it's such eolaneYes. And lots of SATs value for
value. And I love it. I love it.Eric p p send me your send me

(02:02:34):
your wallet. Man. I want to putyou I want to put you in some
splits. You deserve it. We gottayou know, we've got a we've got
to remember our devs man whoaren't necessarily in the flow.
So Alex gates, send me yoursplit, man. Send me your split
info. We got to put some peopleinto the splits. Make sure that
people who are doing this work,get get the value out of it as

(02:02:56):
well consider doing that on yourown podcast, I would say Yeah.

Alex is working on a project. Right now. hopefully
have some some some to reportback on that here in the next
few weeks. Top secret poppingproject.

Top secret, okay. And this is did you have an NDA
from you to say?

Yes.

Did you put him under NDA? Do you put them under
non compete?

We're doing it all on Mineiro

you know if someone would privacy coin if someone
want to do it be good for me.I'm fine with that.

Man. There's a crackdown on privacy coins.
Hard. Like yeah, like some ofthose privacy coins like manera
getting like delisted offexchanges and stuff. Oh, really?
I don't know. Yeah, I don't knowwhat exactly is going on. I
don't really keep track of it.But I have subscribe to this
newsletter. It's like a like acrypto newsletter that talks

(02:03:51):
about all kinds of things andthey've been talking about that
lately about all these all theseprivacy coins that have been
just like like evaporatinggetting their evaporating off
the exchanges, right. Well,people are

scared. Yeah, of course. People don't want to go
to jail.

When the tornado cash and all that stuff start.
Oh, be

honest. They were doing they were advertising for
the criminals. Like yesterday.Okay. Yeah. So like, okay,
whatever. Good. Don't do that.No, don't just know it's not
it's not a good idea. Datascientists Eric. Man, thank you
so much for coming on the showtoday. Thank you for all that
you're doing. Really appreciateit. It's great to have you and

(02:04:32):
great to have a Hoosier on theshow.

Oh, pleasure to be here. And thanks for cleaning up
the boardroom after that chaoslast week. I tell you, my
goodness.

Don't don't turn on the black line.

Alright, everybody, Have yourselves a great weekend
boardroom. Thank you for beingwith us, Dave. Brother. Have a
good weekend. You too, man. Andwe'll be back. Next week. We'll
do it again. On Friday. We'llbring you another board meeting
of podcast Send 2.0 Till thentake care have a great weekend
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