Microsoft’s XBOX Problem, iOS 27 Beta 3, Meta Glasses Are…Good?

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You wouldn't hit a guy with glasses,
would you? Welcome to Primary Technology,
the show about the tech news that matters.
I was twenty-seven beta three is out withsome interesting changes.
Microsoft had some major layoffs,
including big ones from the Xbox division.
Samsung announced Unpacked, Pixel Elevenlaunches announced,
Netflix is doing shorts, and I'm wearingthe meta glasses.
We're gonna talk about those. This episodeis brought to you by Framer,

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Clean My Mac, Nordlayer, and you,
the members who support us directly.
I'm one of your hosts, Steven Robles,
joined by Apple TV famous actor,
Jason Ayton. How's it going, Jason?
Wait a minute, I wasn't acting,
it was a reality show.
you were to always a re excuse me,
reality show. Listen. N I don't know Idon't wanna burst anybody's bubble
Just wanna be clear.
who might be listening or watching,

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but those reality shows, they're a littlescripted.
But here's the thing, I don't want anybodyI like,
I'm not a member of SAG After or whatever,
so I don't want anyone to come after mefor calling myself an actor.
~ I see, sure. Fair
enough, fair enough. Jason literally wasfeatured.
Not featured. He appeared.
Stop. I walked through
the background of a shot.
We'll get to all right, we'll get to itbecause I have

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a picture that I gotta show everybody.
But did you know where that quote camefrom?
You wouldn't hit a guy with glasses,
would you? It's it's not very well known.
Well, here's the thing. I think it's aBatman quote.
Maybe ~ it is.
I think the Joker says that. But
Yeah, you nailed it again. Yes,
that's right.
I also first I first thought it was aWreck It Ralph quote.

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Because I'm pretty sure he quotes that inWreck It Ralph.
No. ~ maybe,
Well hold on, you should look.
I th but I think the the correct answer isit's the Joker.
maybe.
It's the Jack Nichols Nicholson Joker,
That is you're correct. That is correct.
right? Yeah. Yeah. You also sort of saidit like Joker.
It is from the original Batman MichaelKeaton.
I was trying to give you a little hint.
I mean it's it seemed kind of vague atfirst,
but yeah. You wouldn't hit a guy withglasses.
I'm wearing the meta glasses right now.

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I got thoughts. Other people have thoughtsabout me having meta glasses.
We're gonna I want to get to all of thatlater in the show.
That's what I really wanna hear actually,
~ yes,
is just the could you just collect alltheir thoughts?
can it cause the glasses are just alwaysrecording.
No, just kidding. But meta might be makingglasses that always record.
We'll get to too.
Two quick five star review shout outs.
DJ Eston thirty-one from Canada,

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which says that's we're fantastic.
Thank you. And of all the tech podcastsI've listened to,
this is the most recent. Thank you forthat.
Well,
I don't know that that's actually a ravingreview.
That just means that he listened to ourpodcast and then left a review.
he says fantastic. Yes.
That's correct. That's correct.
That's all that means.
That's what he did. And now this was afour-star review,
but I want to mention it. ~ Burbank fromthe USA said info and banter are excellent,

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but was struggling with the volume level.
And listen, ~ this is the whole team ofprimary technology.
It's me and Jason. We do the whole thing.
I edit the show twice because we do videoand audio.
But I also understand I obsess aboutaudio,
and it's really tough to obsess aboutaudio when you're doing the video stuff
in Apple Podcasts for a variety ofreasons.
Anyway, let me know how this one sounds,

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because I'm gonna do something differenton this one,
and if it makes a significant difference,
then I will continue to do it,
which will probably add
A significant amount of time to theprocess,
but I will do it because I want everybodyto have a good experience.
So let me know. I'm gonna try somethingdifferent.
I'm gonna try it.
I appreciate
though it's fun that Steven edits thisshow twice because that makes up
for the fact that I edit it zero times.
Yes, I appreciate that.

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I edited once for both of us and it
counts it all. All right, you were inEngland for July fourth,
I was. As
which is hilarious.
one does when you're an American,
you fly across the pond.
What's a kilometer? Anyway, and then yousend me
this photo, which is from the Apple TVbroadcast of the F one if someone wanted

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to re-watch this, what would they watch tosee you?
If you go to Apple T V, the the FormulaOne tab,
because you now get this for free if youhave an Apple T V subscription,
right? ~ I believe this was before ~ itwas either the Sprint I think
That's right. That's right.
it was either the Sprint race orqualifying.
It was not the actual race. I will findout and I will like tell Steven
Okay.
or something and you can put it But ~ so Iknew this was going to happen because
Yes, yes.

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I realized I'm walking behind this is youknow,
this is the sky cr or the Formula One teamthat does all the commentary and stuff.
Right.
So I I'm walking out to shoot.
As you can see, I'm carrying a camera andI'm dressed in my little tabboard things.
That's what the listen, that thing youyou're you can laugh right now,
but that's what lets you basically goanywhere on the track you want to.
No, I know, I know.
So I'm walking and all of a sudden Irealized that was probably a live shot.

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They're probably like 'cause they'retalking like why would these four people
be standing there talking with a camerapointed at them if it's
not actually being broadcast? So I waslike,
Yeah, I'm definitely gonna send that to mymy kids and my fa my my family.
So
Was it like
did did it seem like it like before thething,
like it was at the beginning?
This was it the ver yeah, so there yes,
I'm gonna find I'll find the link.
I believe that this was the very beginningof qualifying for the race.

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So it would have been on Saturday,
I'll find the Apple T V link to thisbroadcast specifically and I will put
it in the show notes so you can all watchJason walk behind them.
It's really not that exciting at all.
I find it very exciting.
But there were way more
exciting things that happened.
Billy Jean King was there. Do you know whoBillie Jean King is?
Okay. I don't. Who is that? I'm sorry,
Stephen. She's like won s Wimbledonsixteen times.
I don't know who that is.

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Like six of those as a as a singles andlike ten or eleven times as a
as a doubles as a partner, doublespartner.
Okay, that's very I did not know that.
But Billy Jean King, she's like one of themost famous tennis players of time.
Very cool.
Anyway, there's a lot of other people.
Okay, I'll sorry, I don't know.
I'll put the official I'll put theofficial why are you doing this to me,
Harrison Barnes. Do you know who HarrisonBarnes is?
Basketball player? Yeah, 'cause you don'tknow anything about sports.
Jason? You can make me look I don'tanybody.
I'm gonna
put the official website of Billy JeanKing in the show notes.
Okay. Great. Anyway, it was a lot of fun.
How about that? Okay? I'm gonna do that.

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That's very cool. And it is.
So Silverstone is a pretty iconic race.
It was the
first Formula One race, and so the BritishGrand Prix.
And so it was a lot of fun to be there.
Okay.
Did you do anything on July fourth thatwas typically American?
Yeah, I went to a barbecue, which as youdo,
in England. I don't and anyway so theCadillac team.
I'm surprised they allow that.

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I am too, but it was in the paddock.
I'm surprised they Okay.
The Cadillac team threw a barbecue intheir area of the paddock.
It was great. I did get some people whoare pr probably from Tennessee who are like,
That's not a barbecue. It is a barbecue.
Just to be clear listen,
If you're from Tennessee, we love you,
that's not how you sound. Jason's justmaking fun of this particular Tennesseean.
that's not a barbecue. No tennis

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That's
Here's the thing. Here's the thing.
even worse. Yeah.
A barbecue just means that you cook meatover fire.
That's literally what the word barbecuemeans.
I think you just made one hundred enemies,
Look it up. It was really funny becausesomebody told me I was wrong.
but okay, continue.
I'm not looking it up.
They're like, Merriam Webster disagrees,
and then they sent me the photo of MerriamWebster and it literally just says
What's a barbecue? I'm asking Siri AI.

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Hold on. This is gonna Just give just giveme a second.
I appreciate it. I
A barbecue is an outdoor social gatheringwhere food is cooked over an open fire
or grill. The term also refers to thecooking equipment itself and the slow cooked,
smoked meat served at these events.
Siri AI agrees. Yeah,
So most people only think about the lastone as it's like ribs or pulled pork
yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure, sure.

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or something
like that. I'm like, no, that's anyway,
they had a barbecue, it was hot dogs,
burgers. It was quite the spread.
They even had like the frozen pops likethat you had as a kid,
the like push pops, the ones that you youbuy them and they're just
~ yeah, yeah.
a bunch of liquid in a warm bag and thenyou put them in the freezer
and they become a popsicle and every kidloves them.
Exactly.
Yeah, they had all that stuff.
They had Budweiser, you know, it doesn'tget any more American than that.
~ America. What's a kilometer exactly?

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So anyway, I did I did
It was I posted a short little video tothreads of the whole experience
and I think it might be the most likedpost that I've ever shared.
It is like six hundred likes just from ashort video of the ~ of a barbecue
That's funny.
in the paddock. And but I I did get somepeople who are like,
That's funny.

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You know that team is terrible.
I'm like, I don't care and people arelike,
Yeah. Enjoy let me enjoy my freedom andbarbecue.
They're not the only American team.
I'm like, I don't care. They threw abarbecue,
it's free burgers and hot dogs and goodstuff.
So
They
even had Coca-Cola in glass bottles.
It does not get any more Fourth of Julythan that.
That's all right, that's it. We're gonnatalk about July fourth again later,

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~ because I wore these glasses to the Julyfourth that we went to.
And you can't measure freedom in meters.
But anyway, let's talk about I was No,
Which none of those words actually gotogether,
but it's fine.
they don't. Now we said something we'regonna do in the pre show.
We're gonna talk about iOS twenty sevenbeta three and we're gonna
do something live here on the show.
I've been holding out installing the betaon my main iPhone.

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I've had it on all my side devices,
but we're gonna we're
We're both gonna put it on our main iPhoneright now.
You got yours ready? Are you gonna do it?
It's ready to go.
All right, I'm gonna do it right here.
Hold on, let me go to the software update.
I probably should have done this before.
I'm way more ready than you are.
You're way more ready. Cause I didn't evenhave it on the developer beta thing,
because I was like, this is probably gonnabork my smart home.
I'm not gonna be able to control any of mydevices.
~ See the stakes

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are very low for me. I don't have any ofthose th I have like two shortcuts that
See.
run and if they don't, I don't care.
See, well, I'll still have my main MacStudio is not gonna be on.
I can't, I'm not gonna put that on thebeta.
I'm not gonna do that till this fall.
Well, let's do it. We're gonna update ourmain daily driver iPhones to
Okay.
iOS 27 beta 3. You ready? See,
I gotta put my passcode in, so hang on.
Yep. No, you're gonna have to put yourpasscode in too.
I would now I'm ready. Okay. What's akilometer?

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Yes. Yeah,
to do the update. Wait, did you already prdid you already press the update now?
I just did. Yep, go.
Update now. yeah, you're right.
I do gotta put in my passcode.
You're right. Hold on.
And then you gotta
agree to the terms. Okay. Now it's now theupdate is requested.
I gotta read the terms. did I read them?
No, no one reads them.
And now hang on, while you're doing that,
I'm gonna go ahead and update my Mac too.
Yeah, while we record, thank you.
All Well, I'm updating IO

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twenty seven beta three on my main iPhoneas we speak.
Because I mean, chances are if you look atthe public beta release cycle,
it's likely coming out pretty soon.
If you were waiting for the public beta,
it's it's probably coming. So beta threecame out this past Monday,
and there's been some interestingdevelopments.
Number one, a huge win for the shortcutsteam.
You can now go into the shortcuts,

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you can there's a toggle now where you cansay,
Good take me straight to the editor.
The actions rather than having to go tothe describe a shortcut
by default every time you tap a shortcut.
I am taking full credit for this because Irequested it day one of dub dub.
I saw somebody, I grabbed him by thecollar,
I said, Listen, I need a toggle.
I need to be able to just go straight tothe actions view,

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and now you can do that. So in beta three.
So wait, what you're saying is that the
Yes.
the IOS twenty seven default was that ifyou wanted to make a new shortcut,
you had to tell it what you wanted it todo.
You couldn't just go in the way you'vebeen able to do forever and just start making
one.
You could do that, but you always had totap the little editor.

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And even if you went into a shortcut thatyou had built previously,
like one of my 1500, it would go to thedescribe a shortcut scene or like page
by default rather than show me the actionsof the shortcut that I
had built years ago. And my method ofworking,
I always want to go to the editor,
which is what Apple calls it, or theactions view.
And so now in beta three, you'll see thereis a page.

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If you go to settings, apps, shortcuts.
You can say bring me to the editor bydefault,
or if you want to go to the describe ashortcut by default,
you can do that. So I am very thankfulthat that is there.
There is also a rather ominous restorebutton that
tells you 731 shortcuts on this devicearen't currently in your library.

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I don't know exactly what that means,
and I'm terrified to press it.
Federico Vittici said that it basicallytook all of his shortcuts that weren't
in a folder.
and kind of re-added them. So I'm notpressing that restore button.
I would not recommend doing that.
~ but it's there if that's the thing youwant.
But it's huge win. Huge win.
There
there is a tendency that of Apple,

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not just Apple, but that's the one I'mmost familiar with,
of giving you something like that thatmight very well be extremely useful,
but you're like, I have no idea whatthey're trying to tell me.
What does restore mean? What does it meanthat these things are not there
are seven hundred on this device that arenot in my library or that
are in my library but are not like I don'tknow what you're trying to tell

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I don't like that. Yeah, I know.
me and I don't know if I should push thisbutton or not.
And I feel like I've come across that overthe last ten years enough times that
I feel like they just need a copy editor.
Someone who can look at this and be like,
Mm.
We need to use words that people willunderstand.
I think that's a good idea because thatthat button is cure.
Yeah. Call me Apple. I'm happy to help.
There you go. And Jason writes,

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~ we need to talk about I need to get yourtake on the reminders icon in a moment.
But the other interesting development isit looks like Siri AI is starting
to look into third-party apps.
And the one place that it seems it's doingthat consistently is with
EV device charging. And so if you're onbeta three and you ask it,
what's the charge on my car?

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You will get wildly different results.
Sometimes it'll tell you, sometimes itwon't,
but it might. And so I did it on my iPhoneAir.
And what it showed me was a dropdown thatsaid,
I asked, like, what's the charge of mycar?
And in the notification, it says,
I'll need to access your Tesla data to usethe app.
Is that okay? A yes or no toggle,

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which I was like, for sure. Go get it.
And then it says error. Sorry,
we can't do that.
So this is the very beginning stages ofthis.
One, it will be interesting because Idon't think there was an update
to the Tesla app that somehow allowedthis.
So it seems like maybe because it has anapp intense,
you know, there are Tesla shortcutsactions and there's app intense.

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Maybe just out of the box, Siri AI will beable to look at that information
and get it. But that's very excitingbecause once Siri AI can look into third-party
apps, that opens
A world of possibilities for pulling datahopefully from things like your Gmail,
which probably doesn't have app intenseright now,
but an Outlook and all the third partyapps that people are like,

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will this actually work with Siri AI?
So hopeful. I'm optimistic. Maybe.
Maybe.
Maybe.
Because
just to be clear, this story is like wedon't know like it may never work with
Tesla. The fact that that prompt said thatis just because it knew you had
an app on your phone that was an EV app.

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So like I don't know that that this is afunction of Siri being able
to look into those third party apps.
It obviously requires those third partyapps to decide that they want
you to do that. And this is the the onlyreason I mentioned this is this
is the kind of story where
Someone came across the thing and thendrew some conclusions and then wrote a story.
Yes. Yes.

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But we actually don't actually we have noidea what this means.
We don't we don't know whether third partyapps are are we're any closer.
We have no idea, and Apple has not saidanything.
And the reason I make mention this is youcould read the story and think,
this is cool. Apple is doing the proactivething of just using your phone for you,
essentially, looking into stuff.
I don't think that that's what that thismeans.

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It might.
I don't think we can draw that conclusion.
I think what this might mean is like atsome point,
if an app decides that it's going to dothis,
then Siri w will be able to do it the waythat it can with first party apps.
But there's a lot of steps that have tohappen there.
And I don't know that like Tesla so farhas shortcuts.
Yes, that's great. Will it also allow youto just ask Cere,

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what's my charge level app? I don't Idon't know.
I don't know.
Well
in in in the nine to five Max story thatI'll link below,
there's a tweet from Max Weinbach where hegot it to tell it
him the charge percentage. So he was ableto get Siri AI to show
a little circle with the car charge,
the percentage of the battery,
and how many miles are left on the range.

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Now
But not with his Tesla app. It was with adifferent third party app.
Yes. There's a separate app called Tessithat it did work with.
Was it with a different third party app?
So
interesting.
Okay, yes, that is a wrinkle. That is awrinkle.
We'll have to see.
Now, someone also
said it was working with the Ford app.
Again, what I'm trying to say here is likeI don't think that Siri has taken

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a leap forward where it is able to just gointo an app and do that unless those
developers have either said we're in.
And right even if they do, keep in mind,
Right.
they may not they're not using iOS twentyseven frameworks
and APIs and whatever in their currentlypublicly released versions.

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Like you can't ship
Right.
a version of an app using this stuff yet.
Trust me, I've I've I haven't tried,
Right.
but like I very quickly came across like,
Ha ha.
shoot, I have to be careful about how I dothis 'cause if I'm using something that
requires twenty s anyway. So I don't know.
I think it's cool and I think it'sencouraging.
I just was like there's a conclusion drawnfrom this that that you could make that
I don't think you should make.

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That's all I'm trying to say.
Okay.
Well, we will ~ I'm cautiously optimistic,
but yes, we have to see. And I think comeonce the iPhone is launched and
we get the iOS twenty seven release date,
that is when you hear from a lot of appdevelopers to be like,
hey, we'll be there on day one.
Because look at that. Look all right,
I'll be there on day one. You can use C todo anything you want in my apps.
Yep.

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well look at that. There you go.
And one I I need to get your professionalopinion on one other thing
in this beta three. Apple changed thereminders icon to go from a solid circle
on the left of three little lines of theold reminders icon to now three fruit loops
on the new reminders icon. And thatlisten,
this is tweet went out it got out there,

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it broke containment. A lot of people hadthoughts on it.
A lot of people said they loved it.
I I need to know how you feel about this,
Jason.
I don't really know the last time I lookedat the reminders icon.
I never I never see it. I don't care.
Okay.
This is who cares? Like what's bad aboutit?
No, no, no, but you got
I don't I don't know if it's bad it looksa little cl they inverted it.
They just inverted it. Literally they tookthe dark part

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and made it the light part and they tookthe light part and made it the dark part.
That's all they did.
I don't know if it looks a little likeclowny,
like clown s c I don't know.
Something about it.
In the sc in the in the thread that we'relooking at on our screen,
Yes. That's right. I will link it in theshow notes.
which is very small, there's a screenshotof two icons that are very small,
Yes. Yes.

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and yet they're still a thousand timesbigger than anyone will ever
see them on their device. Okay.
I know I know that. No,
I know I'm the grump. I I'm not beingcranky about it.
I'm just saying I don't know why I don'tknow.
no, no, just curious.
Like do you look at the reminders iconvery often?
~ I do that's where I have my videoplanning and personal tasks.
I know I I do actually have it on my homescreen,

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so I do look at it a lot. Mm maybe it'lllook fine.
Okay. Okay.
Well I'm I'm I'm installing the beta rightnow on my main iPhone,
so I'll let you know how it feels lookingat it every day.
How you feel it?
I think I just A interesting designchoice.
B interesting to change the icon design onbeta three and not beta one.

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Because obviously there was a bunch ofdesign changes,
I was twenty seven with all the liquidglass stuff.
You got the slider and corner radii on theMac,
like all these things, and then thereminders icon just changes beta three.
Okay, well
that part doesn't surprise me at allbecause the team that works in Reminders
is not the same team that's working on IOStwenty seven.
So the the their d their deadline forshipping is just release date,
Sure ~ sure.

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right? So yeah.
Whenever. Yeah,
that's fair. Okay, that's fair.
All right, the last thing I want to sayabout iOS twenty-seven,
this is kind of an unfortunate turn ofevents.
The Apple home updates for Home Kit SecureVideo,
we've talked about it. I did a video on iton my channel.
They're gonna be behind the two terabyteiCloud Plus subscription paywall
or Apple One premiere bundle. Meaningthings like the the notifications that will

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be more streamlined so you don't get 1,000notifications when people go
in and out of the door. The
Descriptions for video, natural languagedescriptions,
that natural language searching of yourvideo recordings.
A lot of this is going to be behind thathigher tier iCloud account,
which I think is unfortunate. Nowpreviously,
just to use HomeKit Secure Video,
you needed to pay for iCloud Plus.

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So this HomeKit Secure Video was never afree,
quote unquote free feature, but you wouldhave it if you even if you were only
on the 200 gig iCloud storage plan.
But now for these other features,
you're gonna have to go to the highertiers for iCloud Plus storage.
I think that's just kinda it's kinda meh.
Like I wish it wasn't gated behind thehigher tiers.

(19:58):
That's all.
But there's
an actual cost with this though.
Is there?
Aren't they storing all of this secure vihome kit secure video?
Well that's what I'm saying.
I'm not saying don't charge for the HomeKit Secure video at all.
They already were. You already had to payfor iCloud storage
for HomeKit Secure Video. But now if youwere only on the two hundred
gig iCloud storage plan, you don't getthese new features.

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You won't get the Apple intelligencesummaries,
the natural language search, the betternotifications.
Now you have to upgrade even higher forthat.
Even though I you know, I don't know ifthis is happening on device or in the cloud.
I have a feeling the notifications stuffis probably on device.
To streamline that stuff, but I don'tknow.

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It feels a little like, ~ I don't likethat.
~ and I mean, I guess it's seems weirdbecause iCloud plus
all of the other features are the same.
that true? Across
For the
yeah, you get like private relay,
hide my email. I think you get all ofthat.

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Family sharing, Apple invites,
Yeah.
~ so all of those are the same no matterwhat.
So none of the other features have beengated based on how much storage you're
paying for. So it does feel sort of weirdthat now suddenly you have to be paying.
Whereas if it's like, well, if the tenninety or the nine ninety nine dollar
a month, nine ninety nine a month planincluded other features that were distinct.

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I mean it does actually now. It includesunlimited cameras where
the other plans don't include unlimitedcameras.
So there already is a distinction there.
Correct.
So I don't know.
Yeah, I mean I don't use HomeKit securecamera,
Yeah.
so it's it's hard to get worked up about.
But I do understand philosophically thatApple has these
Mm.
two subscription bundle things.
Apple one and this iCloud Plus,

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and it's like, well, we don't need a thirdone.
So we just have to dump it into this andsome so it's just not gonna quite make
Yeah.
sense. I I agree. So but you're alreadypaying for two terabytes,
That is true. That is true.
right? I mean, you're at least paying fortwo terabytes is what I'm saying,
Jason.
right?
~
at least, yes. Now wait a minute,
Right. So it's not a problem for you.
You got this.
let's I don't know if we've ever coveredthis on the show.

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I mean you you pay you pay for fourterabytes?
Four. I pay for four. I have
the two terabytes with the Apple One andthen I pay for two terabytes.
And you pay for the Apple One premiere foryour family?
Y sh I think so. I pay for the whateverthe one that includes yes,
all of it. It's like thirty seven dollars,
I don't wanna I don't wanna say it.
right? For the Apple One Premier Plus MaxPro bundle.

(22:24):
Yes. Yes. It's it's
Apple One Premier is the thirty-eightdollars a month.
And you you get all the things plus thetwo terabytes of iCloud.
I think that's what I'm paying for.
This and I I'll just I'll just show this,
flash it on screen for a second.
That's my it's my iCloud storage rightthere.
Why are you paying
for eight terabytes? That's insane.
Why is your iCloud library twelveterabytes?
What does that say?

(22:45):
My iCloud photos is one point twoterabytes.
One point
two. I thought it said twelve.
I'm like, that math does not work.
No, no.
iCloud Photos, one point two terabytes.
iCloud Drive, five hundred gigs,
backups is about two hundred seventy gigs.
How much ~ storage does your messages takeup?
gosh, now I have to go back here to this.
I'm curious. Go check it out. Anyway I
I'm waiting for
my I my thing to update and

(23:07):
I pay for the eight terabytes becausethere's five point one terabytes used right
now total across my family.
Because you actually
use iCloud Drive instead of Dropbox.
'Cause I have eight terabytes of Dropboxstorage.
I do.
Sheesh. Okay, well then we're even we'reeven there.
But what does it
No, actually
I have more because I have eight terabytesof Dropbox and four terabytes of iCloud.
Well, listen, my
family barely uses any iCloud storage.

(23:28):
So it's basically all me. Like the familyusage to me.
I ~ yeah. Your messages,
Okay, so your question was
how much d storage in iCloud does yourmessages take up?
It's not taking up very much space in myphone,
which is nice.
My message is currently is one hundred andforty gigabytes.
Mine's eighty gigabytes. And I understandwhy you are this isn't okay,
So yeah.

(23:52):
Steven. This is a thing that's exactly thesame as what we were just talking about
with that restore button, where you don'tknow what it means.
Okay.
Because if you tap on messages
Yes.
you could manage your storage and it'llsay you have I have eighty point
Mm-hmm.

(24:12):
one gigs of messages data securely storedin iCloud and available
to all your devices. And I could deletethat and free up all that space.
Yes.
At what cost?
What I don't understand is if I delete,
because it's just all the attachments andphotos and videos,
right? Now, I don't think I want to dothat in iCloud.
Correct. Yeah.

(24:33):
I want them to all stay in iCloud.
What I don't want is I don't want them onmy device.
Yes. Correct.
Because guess what? If I tap on it,
it can just still download it.
But if you go to your your st the storage,
if you don't if I back out and I go togeneral iPhone storage and I look down
There's no
and I see how much space my messages aretaking up.
And I'm like, ~ save up to, you know,

(24:54):
twenty one gigs in attachments taking upstorage and messages
and consider deleting them. What happensif I do that,
Steven?
Well that's like the large attachments.
So you could say review large attachmentsand then you can delete one
by one or select multiple. Yeah.
But what what what is happening?
W are they staying in iCloud? That's whatI don't
That's a good question. I don't know.

(25:15):
know is if I delete it, is it syncing thatI've deleted it so now it's gone?
Because I would I would delete all of themif they were still in iCloud and
I think it's gone.
That's the thing.
I knew I could pull them back down anytimeI want.
It's kind of like in Dropbox or in iCloudwhere you can be like,
Black box.
I don't need a local version of this,
just only have it in the cloud.
Right, just keep it in the cloud,
yeah.
Listen, no one can know. No one not evenanyone at Apple knows.
But we should know. All

(25:35):
They don't no one knows what happens.
right, sorry. This was not a we're we'reway off track.
I apologize. It's completely my fault.
No, the storage I know.
I've been traveling for a week.
I've I'm just very discombobied.
Storage is a everybody's gotta deal withstorage.
You know what I mean? It just it happens.
All right, I wanted to cover the theMicrosoft Xbox layoffs.
And it's Microsoft layoffs in total,
but just a vast majority of them are Xbox.

(25:55):
I'll put the TechCrunch article in here.
They're laying off forty eight hundredpeople,
two point one percent of its globalworkforce.
So that is unfortunate. The statement,
the EVP and Chief People Officer,
Amy Coleman.
Had a statement and they wanted to stress,
quote, these roles are not being replacedby AI.

(26:16):
Okay, but noted, what is true is that AIis changing how work gets done.
Which seems like it's not AI,
but also could be AI. That's why we'relaying.
Well, what they're really saying is we'renot replacing these roles with robots.
What we're going to do is pay two hundreddollars a month for Claude

(26:36):
Max and make the existing employees dotwice as much work.
The yeah, that. That. Yes. And she goes onto say,
That's what they're saying.
some of the tasks we do every day can nowbe automated.
And that means we all need to keeplearning,
keep building new skills, and keepadapting.
I'm not gonna say that sounds like athreat,
but it kind of sounds like a threat toeveryone who's still at Microsoft.

(26:56):
It's like listen, the task you do rightnow,
it could be automated, so maybe developsome new skills.
That's what it sounds like.
Okay. I mean
so when I was in England, I was I thinkthat's what I'm supposed to say,
'cause I was in the country of England,
which is part of the United Kingdom.
Yeah, you were in England. Yeah.
You were in Great Britain, United Kingdom.
Anyway, I was I was in Oxford is where Iwas.

(27:18):
Yes. Did you visit the Eagle and Child,
I went to Oxford for a meeting.
I wanted to, but I literally the company Iwent for a meeting and they paid they
by the way? Just
sent a car to pick me up from MiltonKeynes 'cause it's an hour to Oxford.
I had the meeting and then the car took meback.
So it was very but anyway, in theconversation I was having,
that's
they were telling me about one of the Fone teams where they had a guy used

(27:39):
to have to write report every day.
They've sent back to the factory.
This is what we need to do. Now,
this person has an AI agent that just doesthat for him every single day.
Mm.
And it has saved him like three hours aday.
Now, that doesn't mean they pay the guyfor three hours less.
It just means he can do somethingdifferent for three hours.
Something different. Sure. Sure.
So there's like a net positive.
That's a good use of AI. But having therobot just do all that person's work feels
Yeah.

(28:04):
like a really bad use of AI. And I feellike we the companies that
now Microsoft's a little different because
If these people were writing code,
it turns out that the AI agents are prettygood at that.
And one human can probably handle re I'msaying things I don't really know because
I haven't actually written a lot of code,
even though I have an app in the appstore.

(28:25):
Sure, sure.
But it feels like you really good toplevel engineers,
software engineers are able to supervise abunch of AI agents that they
pay a lot less money for than the $380,000salary they were paying
the programmer or whatever it was.
And so
Right.
I feel
like it's it is a little disingenuous tosay we're not replacing these jobs with AI.

(28:45):
What does that actually mean? Like,
right, you're not hiring robots powered byAI,
Right.
but what is true is that AI is changinghow works get done.
What okay, yeah, you're gonna just use theAI to do the work.
It's the same thing, right?
It sounds like that. And and this is oneof the things I I was just I
was curious if I could find informationquickly about the amount
of video game companies, not justMicrosoft in general,

(29:08):
who have had massive layoffs, which I'mpretty sure Epic Games had
a bunch of layoffs. A bunch of like videogame developer ~ studios have
had massive layoffs. And they all say it'snot because of AI,
but it's also like a lot of thedevelopment work at that is happening
at these companies seems to have been likethat's who's getting fired.

(29:28):
And so all that's say for Xbox andMicrosoft,
sixteen hundred of the forty eight hundredare in the Xbox division for Microsoft.
And Microsoft is also transitioning fourof its gaming studios under new management.
And Asha Sharma, the head of Xbox,
basically said like their profitability isnot like they're not doing well.

(29:49):
They're not doing well as a company.
There are things like Game Pass and otherinitiatives that they thought would
perform well has not been performing well.
And I hear, you know, Nei on the verge,
and he's saying, like, Xbox might just getspun off.
Like Microsoft might be done with itpretty soon.
But you also look at the hardware of videogame industry as a whole.
The Steam Machine is out there that'sreally expensive,

(30:11):
even though they're selling it at cost.
PlayStation Pro got more expensive.
Xbox got more expensive, even though thesegame systems have been out for years,
all because of it. And
Also, PlayStation announced that they weregonna be done with physical discs
by I think twenty twenty eight,
and there was a huge backlash on that.
Just video game industry as a whole seemslike not in a good place.

(30:32):
Not in a good place.
Yeah, and
and in addition well, I don't I guess Idon't know enough about
the video game industry to know whetherthat's true or not,
because people do like entertainment,
right? Maybe as businesses they havecreeped their way into unprofitable areas that
has have caused some problems.
But I think the bigger problem thatMicrosoft has had is a problem that other
companies like Meta has had. ~ Meta,

(30:55):
for example, is an advertising company.
But guess what? Selling ads is just notcool.
So Mark Zuckerberg does not care about itat all.
That's why you're wearing glasses rightnow.
Right? That's why they made they bought aheadset company.
Exactly.
That's why they thought the metaverseshould be a thing that no
one else thought should be a thing.
It's because selling ads is not cool.
Selling Excel is not cool. It's just notcool.

(31:18):
You know what's cool? Video games arecool.
So what if we had a video game company andwe made a console and we made like
That was the problem, but it's likeMicrosoft was it's just never gonna
win that game. PlayStation one,
right? ~ Swit the Nintendo Switch won theother market of it.
Zero switch. Right.
And then you have all these other things.
But for a company like if if Xbox was onits own,

(31:39):
I think that it would be a very,
very different story for it because theincentives would be different.
The incentives would be like how does thisbecome a good business without worrying
That is true.
about how it competes with the otherbusinesses?
And you talked about like what Ne Laisays.
Like Microsoft's whole Xbox philosophy waswhat if we could put some
you know, windows in your living room.
What if we c what if instead you had acomputer,
Right.
you had a phone and then your T V also ransome version of Windows and

(32:01):
it turned out that that was Xbox?
Right. Right.
Just it's just nobody c that's just notwhat people how people how it shuck
Yeah.
I'm curious. So I'll put a polygon articlein here because after PlayStation
announced January twenty twenty eightwould be the cutoff date,
they won't make physical games anymore,
physical game discs. There was a hugebacklash against it.

(32:22):
PlayStation didn't address it,
and then they posted something about theirFlex Strike wireless fight stick.
That was their next post after announcingabout no physical games.
And of course the reaction to that isstill people are very mad.
People are very mad. And I've been
I follow a few gamers on Instagram,
game streamers, obviously with my kids whoare into games,
like I know of game streamers because ofthem.

(32:43):
And like the reaction is universallynegative,
with some people being like, listen,
we don't buy no one cares about physicalmedia anymore.
I'm curious your your thought,
because I did this whole video on theKaleidoscape movie streamer,
which is like quote unquote the answer tohigh quality movies that aren't Blu-rays.

(33:04):
So still in the digital world,
but you don't need physical disc.
And physical media has been going away fora long time.
Best Buy doesn't even sell physical mediain the stores anymore.
You have to either get it on Amazon orsome random store,
you know, a local video shop or whatever.
Do you have any nostalgia or feelings forphysical media?
Like I was I was tempted to buyInterstellar on a 4K Blu-ray disc after

(33:28):
all of this because I was like,
do I want maybe I want some of my favoritemovies on a physical disc.
But even though I'll never play it.
I don't know. What do you think?
How do you feel?
~ so I think there's a couple of differentthings.
I do think you can still buy f game mediaat Best Buy.
They don't sell movies on okay on on Blue.
Correct. They don't sell movies onBlu-ray.

(33:50):
Okay. Just to be clear. I and I Iunderstand why.
The reason is because people weren'tbuying them.
And it is you cannot build a profitablebuild profitable business at
the kind of scale that a company likeMicrosoft or Best Buy or whoever needs on
people who are nostalgic for the days ofphysical media,
right? Like that's not a very profitablebusiness.

(34:11):
And there's GameStop for that,
I guess. Like that's the that's where thatbusiness is.
I like the c the collidescape.
I don't understand how that can possiblybe a profitable business.
And then you think, it's a very,
very, very, very, very, very small nichebusiness.
And it only it's only for people who caredeeply about this.
And I don't think the people who caredeeply about physical media care about things

(34:35):
like
Maybe some of them do, so don't send menasty emails.
But like the the argument for physicalmedia is not as much anymore that
I have a copy of it on my shelf.
However, I do have like all all sevenseasons of the West Wing on D V D.
I think I think it's ownership.
I think it's the question of ownershipbecause and I'll share this article

(34:55):
in the show notes too. There have beencases where even when people have purchased
the digital copy of a movie, it's beenremoved from whatever service they purchased
it from. PlayStation in particular,
there was a movie like Terminator Two.
Even if you had purchased it through likePlayStation's movie service,
it got removed because of a change inlicensing deal.

(35:16):
And people who have bought that movie
For the full price, no longer had accessto it.
And so there is this feeling, and I dowonder if it's also connected to
the whole AI and the negative culturalfeelings about that.
Like maybe it's all tied together whereit's like I'm renting everything.

(35:37):
Like anytime I buy something, it's asubscription.
Or even when I think it's a full-onpurchase,
it feels like a rental because it could betaken from me at any point.
And
I I get that feeling. I typically if Iever purchase a movie,
it's either on the dumb Kaleidoscapebecause it's the only way to watch it,

(35:57):
or I purchase it from Apple because I feelsomewhat confident that movies that
are on Apple that I buy from Apple won'tgo away.
But it also does feel like, do I truly ownthat thing?
Because I think even a like years ago,
I don't think it's been recent,
but I think even Apple's library has lostsome titles for it.

(36:19):
And so I think people just feel like I'mpaying for Netflix,
I'm paying for HBO, I'm paying for Huluand Disney Plus.
I don't own any of this. Everything is arental.
And even when I want to own something,
there's a chance that it could be removedif it's digital and so I want
the physical thing. And now the companiesare saying actually we're
not even gonna do the physical thingsanymore either.
Yeah.
That's fair. I mean theoretic I mean nottheoretically.

(36:40):
Technically speaking, even if you buy iton a disc or actually just buying
a license to something, right?
They can't come and take it because it'scalled breaking and entering.
They can't come and get the disc from you.
Right. Right.
But you can you're very limited in whatyou're allowed to do with
it because they want desperately tocontrol how their work is presented.
I think, you know, Apple's I guess the theadvantage Apple had for a long time

(37:00):
was you could literally download the likeyou buy a movie,
you download it
In the worst case scenario of all thesemovies starts,
you just disconnect that device from theinternet.
And it's like I at least have the bits,
right? Because I have a lot of songs thatI've downloaded.
Yeah.
A lot of songs. And I don't think Apple isgoing to take any of them away.
I paid 99 cents and then later,

(37:20):
was it like a dollar twenty nine for theDRM free?
Dollar Yeah, if you have iTunes plustracks,
I yeah,
they're D R free and you own them,
the file.
yeah, I can do what I want with them.
I can put them on a hard drive over here,
and guess what? They'll just work someother time.
The downside to
movies is there's just much larger files.
So it's a little harder to do that.
But I g I get what you're saying.
Do you th I was though I was I think thereare some people for whom that maybe this

(37:42):
is the problem. That for some peoplethat's the incentive.
I want to have the physical thing becausethen you cannot take it away from me.
That's one set of arguments. The other setof arguments I hear is
I want the physical thing because it'shigher quality and I care about,
you know, Netflix doesn't stream it I meanNetflix is streaming at like whatever
the standard is what ten eighty
like 1920 by 1080 or whatever like that,

(38:02):
it's not very high quality. You can getthe 4K,
Right.
but it's compressed to heck because likeotherwise it's like 70 gig files that
it have to send you. So yeah. So like ifyou want to have the the high quality,
Hence the kaleidoscape.
then the physical media or something likeCollide Escape is what you need.
But I but the the problem is those twothose two values are distinct enough that
there's not enough buying power to say,

(38:23):
no, this is a thing because most peopleare like,
you know what, I'd rather just give you 25bucks a month and put them
all on Netflix. And the people who
Right.
pay the twenty five dollars a month forNetflix are not buying Netflix because
it has a thing they really, really I usedto pay for Netflix because they
had friends, the office and the West Wing.
And they don't have, I don't think,
any of those things now. I don't know.
Right. They still have the West Wing,
So I think it finally went back because itwas not there for a long time.

(38:44):
I think. That's where I saw it.
Yeah, it finally went back. Right.
But the point is like you're not payingfor a specific piece of content.
What you're paying for is the ability toturn it on and just
be entertained by something.
Right.
Right. Yeah. And I th I think peopleunderstand like Netflix,
like you don't own anything. HBO Mac,
you don't own anything. Like you justdon't own it.
And I think that's why the video game it Ithink it's felt more by video game

(39:06):
~ people in that world, because if it's adigital only video game,
which PlayStation is saying everythingwill be digital by twenty twenty eight,
it feels like it's more like I'm rentingthis thing than I'm than I'm buying it.
And I'll also put this article in the shownotes because
There was this case back in twentyeighteen where someone claimed that movies
disappeared from their Apple library eventhough they purchased it.

(39:29):
The facts of the matter is this personchanged their country or region.
I don't know if they moved or whatever.
And because certain movies are onlyavailable in certain countries because
of licensing, that's why the moviesdisappeared from their library.
So it wasn't that Apple lost the licenseor removed it from their library.
It's that they changed region and noteverything you buy is available
in all regions. Which again also feelslike

(39:52):
If I buy the Interstellar Blu-ray,
I can travel anywhere in the world with myBlu-ray player and and play that Blu-ray.
But if I buy it on some service,
if it's not licensed in another country,
then I don't own it in that country.
It feels weird. And I think I think all ofthis stuff is just kind
Yeah.
of conglomerating into this negativefeeling of I don't own any of

(40:17):
the things I'm buying anymore and I don'tlike it.
I think that's just the general feelingthat's going on with people.
And so anyway.
If they do put a Blu-ray player in theVision Pro,
I would wear it on an airplane.
Okay, I have an update for you.
No, you yeah.
First of all, 27.3, they have changed whatyou see when you're indexing.
It does not say indexing anymore,
That's right. That's right.

(40:39):
it says optimizing because people werefreaking out because it took two weeks.
That's right.
And I'm kind of angry because I just nowrealize I have to go through that whole
process again on this phone.
Y you do it indexes every device
individually. Your index doesn't sync.
That's right.
Which i I heard I think it was Jason andMike Curly talking about this on upgrade.
Like if you back up your phone,
if you get a new phone in September,

(41:00):
you're gonna have to go through thisprocess.
But if you restore that from a backup,
there's no reason that that index shouldnot be part of that backup of that device.
So if you f you're flashing the or if youdo a device to device transfer.
I guess if maybe that should be thebarrier.
I can understand why the index itselfdoesn't sync to the cloud.
But I don't understand why if you do adevice to device transfer,

(41:22):
shouldn't it just write all the bits onthis one to the new one?
It should. Listen,
You would think, but it's not going to.
You you're gonna have to reindex it.
send another email to your friends atApple and tell them that that's
Sure. Sure.
the way it should work.
Okay, sure. did yours already update?
~ I'm I'm still I'm still updating overhere.
yeah, I'm I'm I'm in I'm in.
I still got preparing updates,
so anyway.
if only you had faster internet,
Steven.

(41:43):
That's it that's the problem. ~ can I lastthing before we take a quick break,
can I just say I had a guy come out to thehouse yesterday and he's gonna quote
me on running some more Ethernet.
And this ~ in the house and maybe out ofthe house.
In the house you're saying.
But
but you don't mean you're getting like asecond internet line because this eight

(42:03):
gig up and down you have isn't fastenough.
No, I'm not getting second internet line.
But I might run Ethernet to my doorbellcamera so I can have
the best doorbell camera connection ever.
Steven's gonna run Ethernet to his mailboxso that so that when the boat can
~ I sh I
should have asked him can I be honest?
Okay, last thing before we take a break.
We have a propane gas tank, okay?

(42:24):
And it run Well, hold on. We it runs ourlike
You don't need to run either into the gastank,
Stephen. It's fine.
hot water heater thing and obviously likethe stove and the fireplaces.
The propane gas goes to all those places.
There's no automation to know like whatlevel the tank is at.
So I have to go out there like an animal.

(42:45):
And look at the physical meter to see howmuch gas is left and do I need
to order a refill. And it's only onceevery three-ish months,
but it's still like a thing I gotta check.
And if I forget to check it, we could beup a creek.
And there's been like one time where Iforgot to check it long enough,
and it was like below 20%, and it waslike,
yeah, hopefully, because sometimes arefill takes a couple weeks.

(43:05):
It's like, hopefully we'll be all right.
So, anyway, plus we get hurricanes,
it's nice to know that it's full if wehave to run a generator.
I have had the thought of.
Can I put a Home Kit secure video camerainside the tank's cover so that
I can just open the camera and look at themeter and maybe even with Apple
Intelligence or something set up anautomation to let me know when that needle falls

(43:29):
below a certain amount, but I've notfigured that out yet.
And I didn't ask for a quote on Ethernetto put a gas tank.
But I think that if you apple cache someguy a bunch of money,
then he'll just stand there and he'llwatch it for you.
It's like Task Rabbit for just for like mygas meter.
No, but wasn't that
what happened? Wasn't it a propane tankthing where you apple cash somebody
a bunch of money? And it

(43:49):
yeah, I did. And he brought me a f
fifty five gallon drum so I could burnboxes in it.
That's that's what I got.
I thought there was
a propane tank story that involved someshady Facebook marketplace propane tanking.
~
No, that was the fifty five gallon drum.
Was it okay. Okay.
That was fifty five gallon drum.
Yeah, Facebook
Marketplace like can I can I say I f Ifound this Instagram account.
Found. The algorithm served to me,

(44:10):
Ha ha ha.
which maybe it's highly targeted to me.
Apparently there's a guy that buys food onFacebook Marketplace and then reviews it.
A did not know that was a thing.
Buys food on Facebook Marketplace.
And so
here's how it goes. He pulls up to a shadyneighborhood,
and just a random individual walks out tohis car and hands him a bunch of bags.

(44:31):
And in the bags is food. And sometimes thefood looks amazing.
Like it one time the dude in sh
Like this is
like these are people who are likehomemade making tamales and churros or okay,
Correct, correct. There was and there
okay, okay.
was one time there was just a dude withsandals and jean shorts,
walked out and handed him a bunch ofbarbecue that he just grilled off
of his grill and apparently it wasamazing.
And sometimes he gets food that I don'tknow,

(44:54):
I don't know if I would eat it.
But he is reviewing face apparently youcan buy food on Facebook Marketplace.
But we are not recommending that you dothat.
We do not recommend it. We are notrecommending.
We're just stating the fact that it's athing that can be done.
It is the thing that can be done.
And I was shocked and appalled.
Now, I listen,
I'm a l I'm a little disturbed.
I'm I'm still recovering.

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right, let's do a mini-ish lightning roundbecause there's been
a bunch of announcements for events.
Samsung Unpacked is happening July 22nd.

(50:34):
We should see new Samsung Galaxy phones,
a new foldable, possibly a new foldablestyle.
And so the rumors are that it will notonly fold like a book,
but this one might fold another way,
and it might be a larger type fold.
So
feel like you can only fold in twodirections and they've already done both of them.
There's the flip and the fold.
I don't
Maybe it'll be what do you those like wishtellers or whatever?

(50:55):
Like the ~ you know the oragom?
An origami thing where you yeah.
Yeah, you do the one, two, three,
What do they call those things?
four thing. now now I need to look it up.
I can't remember.
What do you let's see, all right,
Google. What do you no, you know what?
Hold on. I'm I'm uploading to Iowa's betaseven.
Let me let me ask. Let's see if Siri AIwill know.
What do you call the origami folding typething where people either

(51:17):
use it to make decisions or make wishes?
No it's not. No it is not.
Yes it is.
The Orgamai folding toy used to makedecisions or tell fortunes
is most commonly called a paper fortuneteller or a cootie catcher.
It is also sometimes over.
The show's over. I've never heard thatterm in my life.

(51:41):
I don't like it. I did.
Did you go to public school? 'Cause that'swhat everyone called them.
I never heard that. in New York we did notcall them that.
I'm just listening
I've never been happier that Siri said thewords that I just whispered into
a microphone.
I cannot believe that
it said that. Okay. Well, sh I don't evenknow how to record.
Anyway, Galaxy Unpacked, July twentysecond.

(52:02):
And then after that, Google announcedtheir Pixel eleven event
is happening August eight it's happeningin August.
What is it? August twelfth. So Pixeleleven,
August twelfth. Last year was the weirdJimmy Fallon event where he was like,
yeah.
you know what I mean? He like,
look at this phone, I could do all thisstuff.
But anyway, ~ not
Rumors for like big changes, smallerbezels,

(52:23):
maybe a slightly better camera.
Not rumored to be big changes,
but new pixel phone. There you go.
Didn't you have a pixel fold fold?
Do you do you still have pixel fold?
I I've
had a Pixel Fold, I've had a Samsung fold.
I don't remember which one. It was likethree or four.
~ and then the Pixel Fold I had much morerecently than that.
Okay.
Yeah, that's what I
But I do send back my Android reviewunits.
I send them back.

(52:44):
Just not your Apple review units.
That pause there is a critical pause.
I send them back.
I do send things back. I just sometimes ittakes Yeah.
It's a each put a little upward inflectionon that back.
Sometimes it just takes longer thanothers.
I send them back?
But I took the I I sent the iPhoneseventeen Pro Max back as soon as

(53:05):
I started using the seventeen pro becauseit's like what am I gonna do with both
of these?
Exactly, exactly. ~ Netflix is gonna bedoing short form video.
If you go to the app, you might see themnow.
Netflix is trying all the things.
This is gonna be like s August third.
Netflix will be offering this content.
It'll be in the US, Canada, UK,
Ireland, Australia, New Zealand.

(53:26):
Things from like BuzzFeed and VanityFair's lie detector test,
which I've probably seen a bunch of reelsand TikToks.
Of those clips, ~ you'll be able to seethat on your T V,
I guess. But they really want you to justuse the Netflix app on your phone.
So, you know, just put it right next toInstagram and TikTok.
You just do I want to scroll verticalvideos?
Yeah. Netflix is the place I go for that.
I don't know. This is like a quibbysituation.

(53:50):
It's not a quibby situation. What it is isa situation where Netflix
is seeing that the the key to creatingmore engagement and getting people
to spend more time on, especially now thatthey have ads.
The way you serve more ads is gettingpeople to spend more time with their eyeballs
pointed at your app. And the way to dothat is to have more content.

(54:11):
And at some point you reach a thing wherelike it's not productive
or cost effective for us to pay,
you know.
The people who make stranger things tomake other shows.
What if we just had BuzzFeed load itsmoney the load its stuff in?
Like you know what I mean? It's like it'slike I don't think that that's what people
Right.
expect from Netflix. And so I don't thinkthat this is a thing that's gonna last.

(54:33):
The most meta thing, not meta the company,
but just meta like the term, is if you'rescrolling the vertical videos
on the Netflix app while you're notwatching the Netflix content
in the background on your TV. That'll bethat'll
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And at that point youmight as well just open TikTok.
be re this That's the singularity rightthere.
I don't know, I don't know what happens ifyou do that.
Apple, they're gonna try and relieve someof this chip business.

(54:57):
Well, the first one is not necessarily RAMand storage,
but they're going to increase theirspending with Broadcom.
To produce more chips in the US.
And this will be like the cellularconnectivity or other wireless connectivity,
like the C1X or the N1 chips. They'regonna try and they want to make more chips
in the US, and they're investing inBroadcom to do that.
And alongside that, they're also testingDRAM chips from

(55:20):
a banned Chinese supplier, CXMT.
The Financial Times reported that Apple isinvestigating using them for RAM,
but only for devices in China.
So this wouldn't be for iPhones in the US,
but I think because it is actually banned.
Side note, my software update is about toinstall on my main iPhone.
I'm getting nervous now. so anyway,

(55:40):
the Apple's testing the DRAM for Chinesedevices from CXMT.
They're doing everything they can to savemoney here.
That's the idea.
Yeah. I mean this we'll we'll see.
The the chip thing is interesting.
I do I found it really like this is one ofthose re it like in the press release
it says we're going to spend thirtybillion dollars to make fifteen billion chips.

(56:02):
I'm like, the chips two dollars apiece.
Okay. Like I don't feel like we typicallyget component cost information from
That right. Right.
processes from Apple and it's gonna createa bunch of American jobs.
~ you know, the I don't know what this isreplacing.
Like that's the piece of this I don'tfully understand.
~ they want to produce billions more USchips,
but I think the implication from this whenpeople think of chips is like,

(56:27):
you're making the seven. No, that's that'snot what's happening here.
No. But I mean there's still out
They're not making that stuff.
there are still Apple devices that don'tuse the C one X and N one chips,
I don't think. Ma hey, maybe this meanscellular MacBooks.
That would be nice. Probably not,
but it would be nice.
Do you think we're gonna
ever get them?

(56:47):
On an infinite time scale.
Okay. In the next five
years. I guess I realize I should put alittle bit of a time.
You know what I'm gonna say yes.
I think within the next five years we'llfinally get a C one X cellular chip
in a MacBook Air. I think we'll do it.
And do you think the reason we don't haveone now is because
Tim Cook likes tethering and John Turnusis like this is dumb,

(57:08):
let's just put the chip in there?
Or that there's some other reason for it.
Mm.
Because hear me out. Based on thisrelease,
Mm.
feels like these chips are not veryexpensive.
Like it doesn't seem like the reason wedon't have them in max is because
Sure.
it would not be cost effective to put themin max.
Also
Well here's
here's my question. Does the iPhoneseventeen

(57:33):
Pro Series use Apple's C one X chip?
Because I thought they were like slowly
I think the air
in the seventeen E, maybe, is that right?
Right. Like that's why that's what I'mlike.
I think the let's make sure our owncellular connectivity chip is good.
I think that's why and also MM Wave,
for whatever reason, that was not in the Cone X chip and so they might

(57:59):
be waiting till they can, you know,
support all of that. And so I think it'sjust the early days.
I think as it rolls out to all thedevices,
like I imagine the iPhone eighteen andeighteen pro this fall.
We'll get whatever the latest Apple'scellular chip is.
Maybe it'll be like the C two X orsomething.
And then I could see like, all right,
once this is in all of our currentcellular devices,

(58:20):
iPhones, iPads, which the iPad has the Cone X chip,
then if you have a cellular version,
then I th I think they would they wouldmove it to the MacBooks.
I think I think they'll do it within fiveyears.
We'll see who's right.
So you think
that they just didn't w that is anotherargument because like
the patent whatever with Qualcomm you hadto pay a percentage of the device cost
in a map did you see the current prices ofMacBook Pros right now?

(58:43):
That is true. That is true. So I thinkyeah.
Like they just went up by a lot.
So that that is understandable.
I've come together.
The the Pro Series does have the N1wireless networking chips,
they just don't have the cellular.
Right, exactly, exactly. So I think that'sthat's the thing.
Once it rolls out to the whole iPhonelineup,
then maybe I think within five years wemight see it in the MacBook.
I th I could see that. All right.
We'll see. If we're we'll still be doingthis podcast in five years.

(59:05):
I think the Neo already
We'll come back.
has a has an iPhone chip in it,
so maybe they could just make that onehave
That is it literally does. Not this is thewireless chip,
but yeah, it does. Well it does nevermind.
I don't know if the Neo has the N1 chip,
but it has the A19.
I don't know either, but it doesdefinitely have an iPhone processor in it.
Yeah. this was fun. Pocketcast isconstantly trying to woo me back because

(59:26):
now they've added first of all an entireliquid No.
Wait, you're not using pocket casts?
No, I've been using the Apple Podcast app.
We don't have time to talk about thistoday,
I've been using the Apple Podcast app.
but I did not know that.
One
It's because I mean Apple's been doing thevideo stuff,
and so I need to be in the Apple Podcastapp a lot to like see all
the stuff is working. And the ApplePodcast app's pretty good.

(59:48):
It has the transcripts, it has theautomated chapters for shows that
I would it's nice to have those chapters.
And the design of the Apple Podcast app isstill one of the best.
Their up next queue is with the worst ofall the apps,
and I've said that many times in manyvideos.
Also there are a cross device sync ofwhere you're at and a podcast
is terrible compared to pocket c but it'sstill terrible.
It's gotten better it's gotten better.

(01:00:09):
I don't know if it's terrible though.
It's like okay, it went from horrible tobad to like
Like
It's it's that I'll agree to. It's mayorright now.
It's mayor.
But
~
It is so solid, it's annoying because thesyncing playback and the up next
Yeah.
cue for PocketCast has always been like,
man, I really want to because I PocketCastwas my default for many years.

(01:00:32):
And once Apple Podcast started some of theredesigns and such and the subscriptions,
like I moved back because I do have acouple paid subscriptions in there,
but it's not listen, there's a lot ofthings not great about it.
This is what I want. I want
What I want.
basically pocket casts, but I wouldappreciate all the video features from Maple
Podcasts. And then the single greatestpodcast feature that any

(01:00:53):
Yes.
app has ever introduced is what MarcoArment did in Overcast,
where if you accidentally touch yourscreen and you hit the slider and
it jumps to some really ridiculous but youcan go back.
Every podcast and listen,
You can go back. There's a go back.
it should be a law. Any podcast app thathas a live activity.
Ha ha.

(01:01:15):
Is that what we call those things on thehome screen?
A live activity? That has a should berequired to implement that feature.
Yes, live activity.
Because the number of times you pull yourphone out of your off
The put back feature.
the charging thing in your car,
you're holding it in your hand,
Yeah, it is.
you accidentally touch the screen,
and suddenly you went like 37 minutes intothe future on pocket,
Yes.
there's a zero percent chance you knowwhere you were.
You're never gonna get back to that spot.
It's true.

(01:01:36):
Jason is not typically for governmentoversight,
but when it comes to this, this should bethis should be a lot.
This should be a law. At least Appleshould make a law
I agree. That five features amazing.
that if you use this feature, you alsohave to include this.
Yeah.
Yes. So all that to say, Apple Podcasts upnext queue.
And I've told people at Apple directly,
like, hey, you're up next queue.
You need to just rip what Pocketcast doesbecause your Q is bad.

(01:01:56):
Like you can't move episodes from thecontinue playing to the queue.
And the Q will let you add the sameepisode eighteen times.
And then you might just hear the sameepisode start after you just finish it.
Like it's it's bad.
But I still I stick with the guy like thedesign,
I like the automated chapters,
but Pocket Cass now it has a completeliquid glass redesign,

(01:02:17):
and they've now brought chapter artworkeverywhere.
There's chapter artwork on CarPlay,
chapter artwork will show in the controlcenter,
which I don't think even Apple Podcastdoes that.
You have to go into the app to see the thechapter artwork,
and so it's ~ it's gotten really good,
and now I'm like, maybe I need to.

(01:02:40):
Maybe. So anyway. Pocket cast.
It's a great app. And I might try itagain.
We'll see. We'll see. You you you usePocket Cast still?
I do and I only have one complaint,
which is that the widget, at least thesmall widget,
sometimes you tap the play thing and itchanges to look like it's playing
and literally nothing happens.
And then you tap it again and it sayspause and then it starts playing,

(01:03:03):
but it says pa like there's some weirddisconnect there.
Well,
I could tell you Apple Podcast widget doesthe exact same thing.
Okay. So it's a podcast widget problem.
'Cause I have the pockets widget.
I think it's a widget play button issue.
~ it's not not pocket cast. Yeah.
Okay. It's super weird. It's like you haveto like prime
it a little bit and you're like,
I'm about to play something, so I'mpushing the button and then it's like,
You gotta warm it up. You gotta warm itup.
okay, I'm ready. And then you push itagain,
it's like, I'm here, here we go.
But it flips the wrong switch and like theeye the interface doesn't match what's

(01:03:24):
Yes.
actually happening. Yeah, it's like whatwhat's going on?
It's like the inside out emotions.
They're all pulling the levers like,
Wait, do we play it? Do we pause?
What does he want?
I don't know, just make some sound.
He'll play something. Just skip forwardthirty minutes.
He'll love that.
That actually
happens sometimes too, where I will gointo the pocket cast and I will
p tap a episode and it starts playing,

(01:03:45):
but the widget hasn't refreshed.
So then if I go and I'm like, I need topause it,
I don't realize the widget hasn'trefreshed.
So when I tap the the icon, it actuallystarts playing whatever podcast
is still in the widget interface.
It's like, No, no, no, I didn't wantanything to be happening right now.
I wanted to stop and it's like you notonly did you not do that,
Right.
you switched to playing something else.
Yes.

(01:04:05):
Yeah, it it is it is weird. Fix thewidgets.
So widgets, fix the widgets, people.
~ Claude has now put cowork on mobile.
So you can now run Claude Cowork tasksfrom your iPhone or Android device
and it's moving Claude cowork tasks to thecloud,
which my other co-host, David Sparks,
has some questions about and some concernsbecause he has a lot of cowork tasks

(01:04:28):
and he likes running them locally on hisMac.
And now it seems like cowork tasks willrun in the cloud by default.
Which means your stuff is just going tothe cloud immediately.
I'm curious how that will work with tasksthat have to do with your local files,
obviously. Because the claw Claude issaying you could start a cowork task,
close your laptop lid, and it will keepgoing because it's in the cloud

(01:04:50):
and not your laptop. But if you ask ClaudeCowork to rename a thousand files
in a folder, I imagine it's gonna stopwhen you close your laptop lid.
So it's uncle It better that's true.
It better stop when you close your laptop
It better stop. So unclear.
They also moved co work into the chat.
And I've been hearing John Gruber and BenThompson complain about
the Claude app every day, every ditheringepisode I seen it seems like

(01:05:13):
for the last three weeks. I'm not that madabout the Mac Claude app.
I think it's fine. Do you are you mad atthe Claude app that it's like Electron
or whatever?
I'm not mad at it, except I'm super not Idon't appreciate that what
Sure.
you just described, that they moved coworkto the chat interface.
I they should not have done that.

(01:05:33):
I know why they did that. They are tryingto get people who have no idea what
Yes.
the word cowork means to start usingco-work for whatever reason,
Yes.
but I think that it was it's a bad it'sbad because it's just bad because there
is three different things that you mightdo with the Claude app.
They are distinct. Chat, cowork,
code.
I know.
Those three things should have remainedseparate.
I don't like the fact that they h thatthey moved it there.

(01:05:57):
In fact, the other day when the updatehappened,
I'm like s I spent a significant amount oftime trying to figure out where
did why are my cowork things I have likefour of them that run on a regular basis.
Why are they suddenly in with my chats?
Yeah. Yes. If
What's going on here? Yeah.
you're not I'm gonna show it right here.
If you've not updated your Claude Mac appyet,
now in the top left corner there's homeand code.
Those it used to be home or it used to bechat,

(01:06:20):
You say chat. Yeah.
cowork, code. Now it's just the two tabsthere and it's in the chat window
on the right where it says you can switchbetween chat and cowork.
I don't I don't care for that,
I don't think.
No, I don't at all. I don't like it.
I I I think it's yeah. So that is not afunction of why the their reason
for the app is like there's a couplethings.

(01:06:42):
It's an electron app, so really you'rejust looking at the same thing
you could see in Chrome. Except for Idon't think on the online like if
you you open claude.ai in the br inChrome,
Browser. Cowork. Well,
you cannot use clo claud code,
right? Sure.
you can't use cowork, I don't think tolike rename your files either.
So, you know, all that.
Right. So there's that part of it.
There's definitely some benefits to it,

(01:07:02):
but it doesn't do a lot of the things thatyou would expect a native Mac app to do.
It doesn't bother me a ton, but the onething I wish it was capable
of doing is the thing the Chad GPT appdoes.
And they talked about this in the latestepisode of Dithering,
which is if I have Chad GPT open and Iswitch over to a notes app,

(01:07:23):
to the notes app, for example,
Right.
which I don't use because I use context.
But if you switch over to the notes appand then you switch back to chat GPT,
it'll say, Do you want me to connect toApple Notes?
It looks like you're doing something overthere.
And if you do that, you can have a chatthat uses that content.
You can have it if if you update thatnote,
it stays connected. And you cannot do thatwith CloudApp.

(01:07:46):
No, but I also didn't use that with ChatGPT either,
so no. Okay.
really? I've done that a lot. Yeah,
I've done it a lot of times. 'Cause it'sit's it's
it's great. I mean, I wish that they wouldincorporate that into the cloud app.
The problem is I don't think that they canwith an electron app.
And secondly, I don't think that they canbecause they just moved all
the stuff it's doing to the cloud,
not local.
Right. We yeah. So I don't it I don't mycowork tasks,

(01:08:07):
I don't think it'll affect me too much,
but I will have to follow up with Davidbecause he was having
an existential crisis the other day.
here we go. My iPhone is now on iOS twentyseven beta three,
my twenty seven my seventeen pro Max.
I'm gonna be honest, I'm a little nervous,
Jason. I may already regret doing this.
And I I don't know, we'll see.
Already?
We'll see how many devices say notresponding in the home app and then I'll I'll

(01:08:31):
pass judgment.
All devices no devices are responding.
I did want to try Siri AI on the watch,
which is now there in the beta three.
So I will be I think I'm gonna update mywatch to beta three as well.
Are you gonna do that? Yeah,
Sure, want me to do it now? Hey Siri,
we'll do it right now. All right,
update to beta three.
last thing before I talk about the metaglasses.
I'm not

(01:08:51):
sure what you're trying to edit.
That's what it just told me. Okay.
good.
Anyway.
Yeah. Well, it's on the watch.
It's not smart Siri yet. OpenAI alsoreleased new voice models,
Not at all.
more nat like better naturalconversations.
It can listen and talk at the same time,
which that's kind of impressive.
It also feels like these AI companiesunderstand that Siri AI is coming

(01:09:12):
and they are trying to make their voiceproducts and assistance as good as possible.
And yeah, so there's that. The the ad forthis was interesting.
It was like
These elderly ladies and it was like newvoice chat and all this kind of stuff.
I thought that was interesting.
But anyway, I've not listened to it,
so have you heard it? Like have youlistened to it?
No.
I'm not really using the ChatGPT app for alot anymore.

(01:09:34):
I mean, I'm mostly just using the Claudeapp.
really?
Four former sponsor, they didn't pay me tosay that.
I pay for Claude Max, like all that stuff.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
I'm just that's just mostly what I'musing.
There are a couple things that I do openthe Chat GPT app for,
and it's basically b if I want to dosomething that is an extension
of a previous conversation I've alreadyhad in

(01:09:56):
Chat GPT, I know you could there are waysyou can get all that information
Right.
and put it into Cloud, that's fine,
but you know what's easier? Just askingthe Chat GPT app a question.
Sure,
sure. Okay, well now my my iPhoneseventeen Pro Max is optimizing.
Search and see it is indexing all thethings.
Yeah.
My iPhone is gonna be one thousand degreesfor the next
Mine is pretty
warm right now. I'm gonna set it on mydesk and I put my cup of coffee on

(01:10:17):
top of it so it'll reheat the coffee.
I was gonna say to cool down the iPhone.
~ reheat the coffee. All right.
No, to reheat the coffee.
I want to talk about meta glasses.
~ these are the meta fury glasses.
My the social media reactions are verypolarized.
People have strong feelings.

(01:10:38):
Do you think that's why they named itFury?
That'd be good. That'd be good.
People a someone asked on Mastodon,
rightfully so, they were like,
You guys on the podcast talk so much abouthow Meta is a bad company,
and then you went and bought theirglasses.
Now, I understand that might be seeminglycontradictory,
but we talked a lot of crap about humane.

(01:10:58):
And I still bought that stupid pin becausenew technology,
I c I think it is my job or part of myjob,
to like test these things and understandhow they work.
And can this even be useful?
And when it comes to smart glasses,
I had not personally tried them.
I don't consider the Vision Pro in thesmart glasses category.
I got to try multiple smart glasses atCES,

(01:11:19):
Even Realities, the MIMO from ~ Zo Jimmy.
I tried their smart glasses. And these,
I feel like meta of any smart glasses thatyou can buy today are the farthest along.
And if you believe all the rumors,
it seems like Apple is investigating andlikely getting into this.
category sometime soon in the near future.

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And so I wanted to know are these actuallyuseful?
Do anybody care? And what would it be likeif Apple were to make glasses like these?
And so that was my purpose for gettingthese and wanting to try them and see like,
is this is this a thing? ~ do you have anyany commentary
on like that contradiction?
What I want to say though is to clarify,

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and I'm not throwing Steven under the bushere.
Just I wanna clarify that before I clarifyit.
Okay.
The I'm just sort of extrapolating on thecomment you referred to.
I don't know the person. I didn't read thecomment.
I have no idea, but just based on what yousaid,
we ragged on humane because the thing theymade was stupid and didn't

(01:12:25):
do the thing they said that it would do.
Okay. And you bought it.
But it's so you could talk about how dumbit was and didn't do the thing that
it promised to do. That is different thanwhen we talk about meta.
We don't think of meta's products as beingdumb,
we think of them as being malicious.
And so there is a different distinctionthere.
It's like, well then why would you givethem money for a product?

(01:12:46):
I think I agree with everything you saidabout it.
I just I don't know that it's
that wasn't necessarily the rightcomparison to make because like saying,
Okay, sure.
Okay, well, I bought humane's AI pen,
even though we make fun of that.
Yeah, we make fun of that because it justdidn't do what they promised.
And the people talking about it soundedlike they'd invented Jesus.
And really what they gave you is like apaperweight.
Like to stop working. So there's that.
Sure. Yeah, that's fair. That is fair.

(01:13:07):
I wanted to say that now, I also thinkthat it is possible to hold
two contradictory ideas in your head atthe same time.
No human beings have this capability.
Well, they're suppos they they're supposedto have that capability.
Ideally.
The internet
makes people lose that capabilityentirely.
I learned this experience talking topeople in Europe about the
US men's national team t because of thewhole thing that happened ~ last week.

(01:13:29):
Yes.
But ~ so I and when I say militia,
when I say meta is malicious, that'sprobably not entirely fair.
I don't think that they intend to be that.
I just think they are laser focused on thething that they they want,
which is like engagement be because again,
they're an advertising business,
right?
And so it is hard to square that with,

(01:13:50):
Well then why would you wear aroundglasses that have cameras that
are pointed at people with meta?
And when I do my video this weekend,
this is kind of like my warm up,
because I I've filmed a bunch of stuff.
I've been using them for the last coupleweeks.
I'm gonna make a YouTube video about it,
but I kind of wanted this conversation tohelp me solidify my thoughts

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and also hear like your questions becauseare you yeah have you used like
I know you use the ~ Google device red.
I used the Google Pro the Gemini ones,
XR glasses,
last year at IO.
And these are different because there's noscreen in these glasses.
These are not the meta displays.
So this is just speakers, microphone,

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built-in AI, and the cameras. And adistinction from like Mimo
and the Even Realities glasses,
a lot of those quote unquote AR glassesdon't have cameras.
And they advertise themselves as likethat's the selling feature.
Like we don't have cameras in our glasses.
That's why you should use us. But what Ihave discovered.

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In the last couple of weeks, having acamera and being able to ask
an AI chatbot about what in front of youwithout ever hold like having
to think about pointing a camera orgetting at your phone,
there are moments where it is really cooland useful.
And it is the hardest double-edged swordbecause it also means you have

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a camera on your face all the time.
And that is weird and awkward.
And I'll
Describe a couple scenarios where itreally comes into play.
But the first outing I did with them wasJuly 4th.
we went to Lakeland. They have a greatfireworks show,
and I was wearing the glasses,
and I took a bunch of pictures.
And, you know, one, pictures and video onthe meta glasses are vertical

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by default and you can change it,
which kind of sucks because I was reallyhoping to use these as like
B roll for videos when I review devices,
like maybe for the iPhone 18 video.
I can record with these and like get firstperson perspectives really easily without
having to set up a camera in a weirdangle.
I don't think that's gonna be possiblebecause I would have to zoom,

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I would have to crop it really bad.
Like everything's vertical, you can'tchange it.
But for the vertical videos, like theyactually look pretty good.
And when the fireworks began, now we couldtalk about should
you even record fireworks? Because whowatches fireworks videos back later?
Sure. But
Except that if you hadn't been recordingthen we wouldn't have the video from

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Exactly.
was it Memphis where all of or San Diegoor wherever it was where they
all went off at the exact same time?
That
right, exactly. So I,
you know, I'm always tempted to take videoand photos of the fireworks.
I don't know why. Sometimes we do lookback just to see kind of like
us at the fireworks, you know what I mean?
It's like, this was anyway. It was kind ofnice to be able to record

(01:16:46):
the entire fireworks show and not thinkabout it.
I was able to look at it with my eyeballs,
not think about where I was pointing mycamera,
and just capture the fireworks show.
From the glasses. That was kinda cool.
And whether we ever watch this video againor not,
I'm showing it now, so maybe it wasuseful.
Like the idea of capturing a moment,

(01:17:08):
but also being present in the moment,
because you're not watching it throughyour iPhone screen,
is kind of nice. And so there are severalsituations where it's like,
okay, I get that appeal. And that's partof the double-edged sword.
Other side note, five minute maximum,
and then it stops recording video.
So there is like
weird limits to it and transferring stuffto the glasses is a pain

(01:17:31):
in the butt because you have to go to themeta AI app.
You have to connect to the glasses Wi-Finetwork and then it will slowly transfer
your photos and videos to your phone.
All of that stinks. Like it's not a funprocess.
Keep that in mind. Second outing I went toa grocery store and I wanted
to just see like what is it like,

(01:17:51):
you know, talking to it, asking it and youcan ask meta AI questions like what's
the weather?
Is it gonna rain? And it does pretty wellat answering all that general knowledge
stuff. But then there was a moment where Iimmediately regretted having wearing
them, which was I had to use the restroom.
And I didn't think about it at first.
I just walked into the restroom,

(01:18:13):
and then I immediately realized I have acamera on my face,
and I just walked into the restroom.
And I have vision,
it's not so bad that.
Like I could take I can take the glassesoff and still see the world around like
I can function. I'd still use thebathroom.
And still use the bathroom is what you'resaying.
My wife's vision is such that she couldnot.
If she takes her glasses off, she cannotfunction.

(01:18:35):
Like she cannot see what's around herunless she's very,
very close. And so I immediately realized,
like, I don't like this. I don't like thisfeeling.
And no one was in the bathroom at thetime.
And as I after I washed my hands and I wasleaving,
someone walked in.
But but I had the thought, like if someonehad walked into the bathroom,
like if this was a crowded restroom,

(01:18:55):
like a sporting event or a concert,
if someone knew the glasses I had on myface and realized I was in the bathroom,
like that would feel really icky.
And I don't like that at all. And I don'tknow how to square that circle.
Like, how could you make a privacy firstdevice that has a camera
on your face, but then also use it inmaybe sensitive situations where it's really

(01:19:19):
awkward to have a camera on your face?
I don't know how to solve that problem.
I don't know if I you know, there's somany rumors about AirPods with a camera,
which will get like I always thought thatrumor was silly,
and now I understand why. But I don't knowhow you square that circle either.
If you wore AirPods with a camera andpeople understood that those were
the models that have a camera in them,
that would feel really weird in abathroom.

(01:19:40):
I'm just throwing that out there.
So anyway, go ahead.
Sure. Also though,
AirPods are a little easier to take out ofyour ears to go to the bathroom than
the glasses on your face.
Good point. Very true.
So then I took them yesterday to a coupleother places.
I went to Oxford Exchange in Tampa,
which is a great it has like a bookstore,
it has all this kind stuff. And I went toArmature Works,
which is like a food hall. It's reallycool and fun to ask it to identify things

(01:20:04):
and just ask it questions about what I'mlooking at.
And the accessibility ramification orimplications are incredible.
If someone was visually impaired,
and obviously
Pointing a camera when you're visuallyimpaired at something to
ask what you're looking at could beproblematic.
Like you can assume, and I'm sure peoplelike will have an idea.
Like I'm pointing the camera this way,

(01:20:25):
it's fine. But when it's on your face,
you can know that like wherever you'refacing,
that's what the camera is seeing.
And so I stood in front of a cafe and Iasked it,
what's on the espresso menu? And theglasses can just tell me.
It said you had there's a flat white,
there's a latte, and it tell the cost foreach.
I stood in front of a book display and Isaid

(01:20:45):
What are some like recommend some booksfrom all of this display?
And it was able to point out, well,
here's this book if you're interested inadventure.
Here's this book. It's a great nonfiction.
And it could just talk to me about whatI'm looking at.
And that felt like the future.
That felt like minority report style.
Like I can just ask it questions aboutwhat I'm looking at.
So identifying things, the accessibilityramifications,

(01:21:08):
like all of that is great.
And I understood why having a camerapointed where your eyeballs point could
be really beneficial. A couple justnitpicks.
The speakers on the glasses are good,
but not great. And so in noisyenvironments like when I was in the food hall,
it's hard to hear it. And as far as I cantell,

(01:21:29):
you can't like pair Bluetooth headphoneswith the glasses.
The glasses act as headphones to otherdevices.
So I can listen to a podcast because I'mmy phone is connected
and it's playing audio through theglasses,
and you can raise the volume all the wayup.
But it's hard to hear in very noisyenvironments.
No option for like pairing headphones withthem.
So that was kind of ~ Funny side note,
I really want to know how much they paidJudy Dench and Kristen Bell

(01:21:54):
to be voices for the meta AI glasses.
Because there is a menu where you canchoose for meta AI voice to be Judy Dench.
And if I I always change my voiceassistance to have a British accent,
so I feel like 007.
And you could not get any further downthat road than literally having
~ talking to you in your glasses.
I mean that's dame Judy Dench to you,

(01:22:15):
sir.
Sorry, Dame Judy, excuse me, Dame JudyDinch.
You can literally choose her as a voicefor the glasses.
I so want to know how much she had to getpaid for that.
Because she would have had to train hervoice on it,
because it has to say all kinds of things.
So anyway, there's that. And lastly,
I'll just say, after using these for awhile,
like one of the things I did was I held abook up and I said,

(01:22:35):
Hey, tell me about this book. And it wasactually an Issi Miyake book.
It was the author. It was like a designbook.
And I said, Hey, can you find this book onAmazon and add it as a reminder
to get later?
And was like, sure, I can do that.
Now in the meta AI app, there's a remindersection and that's where it has to go.
So it's in my meta which
Yeah. That's a
th there's there's there's a problem thatyou're like you're sort

(01:22:56):
of like getting around okay. Okay.
I'm gonna I'm getting there. I'm gonna getthere.
I'm gonna get I'm going there next.
Also, it said, yeah, I got it,
no problem. Added it to your reminders.
And the reminder is actually likeIsimiyake book on Amazon.
It didn't actually get the Amazon link andput in the reminders.
It just told me to look it up on Amazon.
So all of those cool use cases aside,
it is obvious that something like thiswill near not be anywhere near

(01:23:20):
as useful unless it's made by Apple firstor Google.
Or Google, but yes, yes.
Because
I want that reminder to go to my remindersapp.
And as I was driving away from my houseone day,
I was like, ~ I'll ask my glasses to closemy garage door.
No, it doesn't have access to your Applehome.
It can't do that. Nor can I get mymessages.

(01:23:42):
I think you can get some messagenotifications on the glasses,
but it's not like first party.
But all of the use cases, I realized,
okay, if these were Apple glasses and itwas integrated with my messages,
my notifications, I could control my smarthome.
I could ask Siri AI, all the amazing SiriAI things that that can do.
These would be so cool. It would bereally,

(01:24:04):
really cool. I don't know how to solve theyou have a camera on your face problem,
but there's a lot of use cases where I seethe promise and I understand
why these have been the only like AIglasses that have been anywhere near
as successful. And I will give Meta alittle bit of credit because there
was a news article that came out where

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If you try to tamper with the light,
because whenever you take a picture,
a little LED light flashes, and as you'rerecording video,
the light will pulse. And people weredoing nefarious things trying
to disable that light, trying to cover itup.
And Meta is pushing a software updatewhere if you try to mess with that light,
the camera will get bricked. So if you tryto remove the light,

(01:24:49):
if you try to disable the light,
the camera's just going to be disabledfrom the glasses entirely.
And so
Well all the thing all the negative thingswe can say about Meta,
at least they are trying to do somethingthere.
We're disabling the light to record willhave ramifications and won't
let you use the camera. But all that to besaid,
you still have a camera on your face,

(01:25:11):
and I don't know how that can not beawkward.
Well also s l the cynical take is Meta'snot doing that because they think it's
the right thing to do. They're doing thatbecause they don't want the stories
of the nefarious use cases that wouldhappen if they dis people are able
to disable the light. They that likethat's reputational protection.
It's not it's not like altruism.

(01:25:35):
But also like this is the thing that I'vealways thought
Fair. That is totally fair.
I think meta has done the most
To sort of flesh out and prove the conceptthat glasses could be a form factor that
have a use. But metas will just never bethat use for two reasons.

(01:25:55):
People don't trust meta. Everything youjust did involved meta AI,
not Siri, not ChatGPT, not Cloud,
not any of the places that you may havealready built up a library
of context that would be useful,
or your personal information.
And you're now sending all thatinformation to Meta.
It's like, remember that espresso shopthat you looked at?

(01:26:17):
Hey, you're on Instagram. Here's an ad.
Did you know they have delivery andthey'll just send you beans to your house?
yeah.
Like, this is that's what's gonna happen.
That's the only way this makes any sensebecause and I'm not suggesting that
Yeah. Yeah.
I that's why I said Google. I don't thinkApple's the only company that can do this.
Google could do this. But Meta has no likeno one uses a calendar from Meta.

(01:26:37):
No one I mean, they do have WhatsApp.
Right.
They so they do have WhatsApp,
Sure.
they do have a messaging product,
but like any pair of Bluetooth earbudstheoretically can read your messages to you.
Right? Like that's so I'm saying that'sthat's fine.
Yeah, and they do. They do.
That's like not significant. But whatMeta's AI cannot do is answer the question,

(01:26:58):
what time did my mom say she was comingover?
Right? Like it's not in meta AI unlessit's in WhatsApp.
So like I in a ma in the US at least,
I mean everywhere I travel overseas,
we only use Mot WhatsApp.
Yeah, what's happening?
But everywhere
in the US, like there are some people whouse WhatsApp,
but like if you're under the age oftwenty-seven,
you're using Snapchat. If you're over theage of twenty-seven,
you're using something iMessage orwhatever.

(01:27:20):
Right.
So I don't know. I think I'm glad thatthey are trying to flesh this
out and they are shipping products thatdon't have that end use case because they
have to get them out there. Whereas Applecan afford to be a little slower because
once they get it right.
yeah.
It will be like panacea, it'll just haveeverything.

(01:27:41):
And that the thing, like if somehow Applecould make glasses like this that have
the benefits of being able to see what yousee in some privacy and security.
I have no idea how it would be possiblebecause to see what you see,
there has to be a lens of a camerasomewhere on the device.
And it's going to see the world aroundyou.

(01:28:03):
I don't know how it's possible,
but man. And the AirPods with a camera,
like you were saying, that would be easierto like put away.
And also, if you don't wear glassesalready,
someone might not be inclined to want towear glasses.
You know, I think AirPods, whether youwear glasses,
hats, whatever it is, like everyone willuse AirPods because
the convenience factor and the benefitsare just so high.
Like, I'll put these things in my ear.

(01:28:24):
Glasses, it's a harder sell. Someonedoesn't wear glasses,
like people LASIK surgery, so they don'tto wear glasses.
Like to put it back on, you know,
it is a cost. And to your point aboutmeta,
like the nefarious side, this is the Vergearticle.
Meta is also working on glasses that wouldbe recording all the time.
Calling super sensing. Always aware smartglasses that's recording audio

(01:28:47):
and snapping photos every few seconds.
And this is like that's an end game oflike,
no, I would not wear those glasses.
I wouldn't even try them for a video.
I don't want something recording all thetime.
Because then it's like, what if I have touse a bathroom in my own house
and I'm wearing the glasses? I don't wantthat.
Right.
I don't want that being sent to Meta.

(01:29:08):
And as I've been wearing these the lasttwo weeks,
I just resolved to think I have no privacywhen I'm wearing these glasses.
Zero. Like
And neither does anyone around you,
which means that if Meta introducesglasses that are recording all the time
and you put them on your face,
someone's gonna punch you.
Right. And in my experience at the grocerystore,

(01:29:28):
Fourth of July, going to the food hall anda couple places,
not one person pointed them out.
Not one person said, Hey, are those themetaglasses?
~ now there weren't like tons of peoplearound.
You know, if I was at a concert or asport,
maybe maybe someone would recognize them,
but not one person said anything.
I had a couple looks where it was likemaybe they did a double take

(01:29:51):
and they were kinda like, What what kindof glasses are those?
But
But no one ever said anything or orwhatever.
But I don't I don't know.
This is always the question now when I getto like the end of my review
and I make the video. Do I keep the thing?
Do I keep these for the future?
And I'm the I have until August 1st toreturn them.
And I could get my four hundred dollarsback,

(01:30:13):
which is very tempting. But I'm also like,
you know, maybe there are some eventswhere I would love to just be able
to record a video and not hold a phone.
And just be there for the event.
And I already wear glasses. And my kidsthought they were the coolest thing because
I have like photos of my travels.
And they will go up to the photo and bewhere was this photo taken?
And the glasses would say, This was takenin Amsterdam along this.

(01:30:36):
And this was the cathedral in thebackground.
And like, that's kind of cool that it cando that.
But I will also be very selective aboutwearing,
like, I would not wear these all the time.
Hey, they're not as comfortable as myWarby Parker's,
~ because they're heavier, they're big.
and they slide down more often.
So I would not wear them all the time forcomfort.

(01:30:57):
I also just don't want them on my face fortimes when I might have to
use a public restroom. And so but for somesituations maybe I would.
Maybe like July 4th, like I go out and doit for I don't know,
go someplace over the holidays and we seeChristmas lights and I don't have
to think about taking my phone out torecord.
I don't know. That's that's the internalstruggle I have now.

(01:31:18):
But they're they're very interestingtechnology.
Very clear where a humane AI pin hadalmost no value
as a product and no one should buy it oruse it.
These I understand what the value is.
And for accessibility especially,

(01:31:40):
totally get it. Like this could be gamechanging for somebody.
Cause I even asked it like, what's on mydesk?
And it does a very good job of describingeverything on the desk.
And so just being able to do that quicklyand easily like and yes,
your iPhone does that. Apple had a wholevideo about accessibility talking about
it in iOS 27. There's going to be evenmore features.

(01:32:00):
Your iPhone can do all of this stuff,
but you have to get it. You have to unlockit.
You have to be in the right mode if you'renot accustomed to using those kinds
of features. And just being able to belike,
hey Meta, do this. And it's the device isalready on my face and on.
I could I see the value there.
There is some value.
I mean you also

(01:32:20):
have to be stricken with amnesia to lookat your desk and not know what
the stuff is.
No, but for accessibility, Jason,
if you you know, if someone is visuallyimpaired and they need to know like,
yes, obviously you've probably set up yourlife in a way that is conducive
to to that.
I guess my point
was like that is a gimmick. It's a coolparty trick to be like,
I look, I can just look at all this stuff.
But but in a real world use case,

(01:32:41):
looking at your desk is not the thing,
obviously. And I you weren't specificallyonly saying that,
No. Right.
but I'm just saying like they these areproducts that are designed with finite
borders that the real use case issomewhere beyond that,
and we don't know what that is yet.
Sure, but I also see like if I walk up toa food truck and I'm visually impaired,

(01:33:03):
I want to say, Hey, what's on the menu?
That's useful. Like
Yeah, I'm trying to be really carefulbecause I think there's a point
at which being visually impaired with apair of glasses that would the again,
I'm not I ~ it's hard to define where thatedge case is because my initial thing
was like you again, I'm sort of ignorantof this,

(01:33:27):
but like are is that a you isn't there howis that problem being solved
now that this would solve better?
If I'm visually impaired and I walk up toa food truck
You're right. How do you know where tolook to like?
How did I get there? And I did
not just like what I not just talk to likeI'm not saying that you're wrong.
I'm saying that sounds like a veryoversimplified,

(01:33:47):
like, this is really cool. And I'mthinking,
like, how is that problem currently beingsolved that this would do better?
And I'm not saying the answer's zero.
I just don't know exactly what that isyet.
And that's and that's fair. ~ you know,
I th if you were handed a menu at arestaurant,
you know, something like that.
Sure. Yeah, I did
And
that a lot. I for for a year I would lookat menus and every time I had
a menu I'd take a photograph of the menuand I'd Chat DPT,

(01:34:08):
Right. For sure. And
what can I eat off of this?
and I did mention, you know, this alsodoes translation.
So if you were given a menu in anotherlanguage,
you could say, hey, translate this for me,
and it could do it. So all of that to say,
there I think there is more than zerovalue here.
It is still a long way off. Like and theprivacy and security implication is,

(01:34:30):
I think, even the biggest challenge.
And I hope Apple figures it out.
Yeah, I just think that they will reallybe a successful product when someone
who has all your data already and I don'tjust mean your browsing history.
I mean like your calendar, your email,
your messages, like your photos.
That I mean you can't even take photos andhave them just show up

(01:34:50):
in your photo line.
yeah, and that that's the other hugething.
It's like if it was an Apple glasses,
I could just take a photo and it wouldsync to my iPhone immediately.
Yes.
And so all of that, which is I now I likethis is why Zuckerberg hates Apple.
He's ticked because he can't do that.
And he doesn't have a device that does iteither.
So anyway, I want to make a video aboutit.
If you have questions, hit me up on socialmedia,
you know, or just email me 'cause I can doin the video.

(01:35:12):
I'm recording the video tomorrow,
as you listen to this. So if you listen toit on the day it comes out.
But Jason, I need you to tell me aboutsomething real quick for personal tick.
You were on a flight and you saw agentleman with three iPads.
How did what what how?
Yeah,
well, okay, so I was on a very longflight.
Well, I mean it's not the longest flight,
but I was flying f back from Heathrow toDetroit and I I was sitting

(01:35:38):
on the aisle of the center section and inthe aisle of the section against
the right side there was a gentleman and Ipresume his wife and
the gentleman when we when we got on theplane was just reading something
on an iPad mini.
Probably with lots of people do that onplanes.
Although I don't see as many iPad minis onplanes,

(01:35:58):
just to be fair. So he's reading an iPadmini.
Yeah.
I was like, whatever. Okay, great,
cool. And then a little bit later in theflight,
he pulls out an iPad Pro, an eleven inchiPad Pro,
and starts watching a movie. I was like,
Bro is traveling with two iPads.
Okay. I was like, this that's impressive.
Double fisting iPads, that's yeah.
He's got two different iPads. And I meaniPad mini doesn't have have a

(01:36:19):
Huge battery life, but you could easilymake it through an eight hour flight with
an iPad mini, especially if what youstarted to do is read,
Yeah, probably.
and second thing you're gonna do is playvideo that you've already downloaded
because like they're optimized for that.
Apple uses that as the measure of like ourbattery life.
So like you could have got there's just noquestion.
Right, exactly.
And then later on, after the meal,

(01:36:40):
I look over and he is finger peckingtyping on a 12,
or I mean on a 13, a 12.9 inch iPad Pro or
13, whatever it is. So, like the I the 11inch iPad Pro was sitting
in a magic keyboard, and all he was doingis watching a video.
And then he pulls out the 13 inch iPad andhe's literally doing this.
And I think he he was like doing workbecause he also had some papers

(01:37:01):
Sure, sure.
out that looked like research.
I don't know. You know how you're on aplane.
You want to know enough about what'shappening over there without actually looking
Yeah, yeah.
Sure. Yeah, I get it.
like you're trying to figure out what'shappening over there.
So within four and a half hours,
he had pulled out three different iPads,
a mini.
Incredible.
And two different iPad pros. And so Iposted about it and a lot of people thought
it was insanity. Which it is. And Samsonhad actually responded and they're like,

(01:37:25):
I we need to understand why is thishappening.
I was like, I guess I should ask.
So I asked. And he said, I prefer the sizeof the mini for reading,
which true. Like that's for sure thetruth.
Sure, sure.
And the screen is so nice on the eleveninch.
So that's what I watch movies on.
But it's not big enough to do work.
Ha ha.
So I carry this quote, big one for doingreal work.

(01:37:47):
I'm like, but the eleven inches the onethat had the magic keyboard.
Amazing. Amazing.
I don't get it. And the and the thethirteen inches had a had a smart folio.
Right. One if you have
Like just
When if you have the same year eleven andthirteen inch pro,
it's the same display. That's what I'msaying.
Right. Yeah, so you could just watch themovies on the thirteen inch.

(01:38:09):
Like the big screens is great even betterfor movies because it's bigger.
I didn't think about that question.
But also like there were years where theeleven and thirteen inch
had different screens where only that'swhat I'm saying.
Well, but the thirteen inch usually had abetter screen.
So he
would have had to have like several yearold thirteen inch iPad Pro.
I mean, maybe it was an A twelve Bionic orsomething I in that thing.
True. That's true.

(01:38:30):
It's for the eleven inch to have had abetter screen.
That's a possibility that I did notconsider.
And if you did have that old of one,
you wouldn't have a magic keyboard either.
Fair. Well, magic keyboard's been aroundfor a while.
So yeah,
but I don't think the original well no,
you're right. The original one does havethe non series twelve point nine inch does
The twenty eighteen. Yeah.
have a magic keyboard you can get for it.

(01:38:51):
Yeah. Yeah. Mm.
I don't know.
That's amazing. Did you get his name?
His first name?
No,
but then he pulled on an Android phone andI just about lost it.
No you did no he did not.
Yeah, I told you that, didn't I?
I'm pretty sure I texted you that that hestarted finger pipe t finger typing,
yeah, you do you texted me that you textedme that
one finger pecking on an Android device.
It looked like some kind of super largemid-range one plus thing or something.
That

(01:39:14):
I don't know.
That is an incredible that is incredible.
I know. I I
He's my hero. He's my hero.
I think I told you I was like if the guypulls out a kindle kindle I'm gonna have
to buy him a drink.
that it that is amazing. Three iPads.
Listen, I was yeah, I mean, I understand atwo iPad lifestyle.
Like if you want like a thirteen inch anda mini,
but to have all three sizes, that'ssomething.

(01:39:35):
I mean I
have an eleven inch and a mini in the butI mean I don't take them both on a plane.
In fact the eleven inch basically sits inmy room and I just read
That's that's
on it occasionally.
If he would have pulled out a Vision Pro,
sh should have just jumped out of theplane.
If the guy
had pulled out a Vision Pro, I would havefound an award for him.
question
that that that is some three iPads on aplane if you carry three iPads

(01:39:57):
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Yeah, why?
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