Ep. 25 | Public Outrage: Man Abusers, Rap Lyrics and Contradictions feat. Jay Hill - Selective Ignorance with Mandii B

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Selective Ignorance. However,

(00:03):
before we get to this week's episode, I want to
remind you guys to purchase my book No Holds Barred,
a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power. So feel
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black owned, or woman owned to support them, but also
just click the button on Amazon, Barnes and Nobles, or

(00:23):
wherever you read your books. Again. That is No Holds Barred,
a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power, written by
yours truly and my co host of the Decisions Decisions podcast, Weezy.
Make sure y'all get that. Now, let's get to this
week's episode. This is Mandy B. Welcome to Selective Ignorance,
a production of The Black Effect Podcast Network and Iart Radio.

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All right, all right, y'all, welcome back to another episode
of Selective Ignorance with Mandy B. That's me where I
remind you weekly that minded some of your business and
self care, but minding all of it, well, that's just
being uninformed. This week we are diving at first into
the hot tub of public outrage and I love these
type of episodes because we are really getting into everything

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current that had y'all bothered, So everything from pop culture
which is melting down, the music landscape, which is always messy,
and somehow in between celebrity think pieces and TikTok discussions,
we've circled right back to gender roles in patriarchy. Apparently
the internet is debating what makes a woman motherly, because
heaven forbid a working, successful woman not spend twenty four

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hours a day in an apron making cast roles and
smiling through exhaustion. And yet while we're questioning the patriarchy,
we got to talk about how outrage around domestic violence
feels a bit selective. When it's a man, pitchforks, bring
it out, he is done for the account. When it's
a woman, however, suddenly it's complicated and contextual, and no

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one seems to matter. Why does the empathy curve shift
like that? We're getting into it, and speaking of complicated,
we've got another story this week of a woman who
is now being to blame for the death of a rapper,
and of course it is leaning back to whether or
not he deserves it quote unquote or not due to

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his history of domestic violence. It's sad, it's tragic. I'm
gonna go ahead and just throw the trigger warning there
because we get into it, and then of course we
can't end without a little bit of mess. And y'all
know she is one of my favorites. I love Ari Lennox,
But girl, we all kind of just want you to
stick to the music. Because Ari Lenox decided to share
her unfiltered thoughts on Martin and Bernie Mack and the

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folks are heated. Is she just keeping it real or
is she doing the absolute most? But also, is all
comedy ties to things that are gonna offend people? Is
colorism always a topic of discussion with us? By the way,
we're also leaning into rap lyrics. I'm gonna leave it there.
That's just a little tease. We've got a lot to impact,
So grab your tea, yo coffee, yo wine, keep your judgment,

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and remember just because it's selective ignorance doesn't mean we're
not paying attention. And y'all welcome to the episode. We're here,
We're back. I am joined by one half of my
super producer clan. I don't know if I can use

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clan with you. Jason is that a bad thing.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
I was about to say, damn, like we is, we
as people of color, cake each clan. Right, that's not
really cool, y'all. We have Jason joining us from Jersey.
He is Why don't y'all y'all say it like that,
you know you Puerto Rican or whatever, y'all be turning
the Jays into.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Why that's funny? I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't.
I just live here.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
I don't rip here. I wasn't born here, and it's
somewhere I wrap. So it's just where I put my
head down, all right.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
All right? We are missing a king while he is
taking care of family matter in New York. Shout out
to a King. But we are joined by one of
my very selectively ignorant friends. No for sure. What I
love about this guy too is I love how he works.

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I don't love how his mind works. So I'm excited
to talk about the hot you know what I mean.
But this is what this show is about. I feel
like I'm friends with or in proximity to so many
people that although I don't agree with them, I respect them,
and I absolutely respect our host This week y'all. I
am joined by Jay Hill, who is a multimedia journalist

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and influencer originally from the city in the Country with
the worst accent, Baltimore. He was the host of the
j Hill Podcast here in Atlanta. The podcast focuses on
interviews with interesting people from the entertainment industry and Jay
Hill does have a background in internet radio, working at
various stations and platforms including BBC Radio, DTLR, Morgan Radio,

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and w KYS, which means he's a journalism. He has
a right to have an opinion.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
He's been on his grind like push a t in malice.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Oh, so, y'all have I have? What up?

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Man? What's going on?

Speaker 4 (05:08):
You know it's funny because it's funny. I always had
an issue with you teeks as well. So I've never
said that, you know, like I'll be trying to say
my relationships. I'd be like, you know what, maybe everything
don't need to be said. That's cal bro you. It's
like I don't want to say have a problem with it,
but I feel like it'd be like, so, I remember
when I did the interview with you, I'm like, yo,

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what's the war?

Speaker 5 (05:29):
Men?

Speaker 4 (05:29):
Like y'all hate men?

Speaker 1 (05:30):
No no, no, no, no, no, no no no. I am bisexual
and I love men, specifically black men, and I am
here for y'all existing. Now do all of you need mics?

Speaker 4 (05:41):
No, like.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
You know, and I just think that there's there's there's
a way we have to come together. I don't have
hate men content though you think I do.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
That means you just where are you getting at? We
talk well not even just no, no, no, it's not just men.
We had a conversation about something and you was just like, yeah,
but you.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Didn't agree with it, but you can't remember what it was.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
No, it was about the girl that got here with
a brick or something like that. But it's just.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
It is Oh, you're right, and I don't remember.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
But your take was just I'm like, yo, Mandy, like
it was like Broake, this was years ago.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
He probably don't even remember now, just maybe at the
time we disagree.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
It was just but I didn't say anything. I was like,
you know what, cool, It's like she didn't hold no accountability.
I'm like you know what, Oh.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
No, no, no, Just so you know, I am all about
equal opportunity and accountability for all racist genders and all
the things out me too, right. We do like to
start off with a little ketchup, and I kind of
like to let the audience know that a bitch be outside.
So I came here and wanted to start by saying,

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if you haven't known already, I was in Yersy, I
was at MetLife, and I had to repeat this yet again. Baby,
the Internet is not real. I tried to not have
a thug tear while I sat at MetLife at day
one of day of two days of Chris Brown selling
out this goddamn stadium tour, and I was just like,

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I was an awe. I've been going to Chris Brown
concerts easily since like twenty ten, like way back when
I was actually I'm like maybe twenty twelve because O
nine is when he had the Rihanna shit he had
to go quiet for a little bit and then I
think the Fame album. Since then, I've been rocking with

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that motherfucker. And it was just really incredible to see.
I missed Summer Walker, did not know her, and Bryce
and Tiller were back and forth with the opening, and
when I got there, I was actually ups. I hit
my friend on the side, like Summer Walker is way
bigger than fucking Bryce and Tiller. Why is he coming

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out second? I was mad because I was just sure
Bryson was gonna be first. Apparently they swap each night,
so I did. Miss summer Walker was real sad about
that because I love her stage presence. Now, I was
highly surprised by Bryson m So he sounded good, he
looked good, and we ain't seen him in a while
because the nigga be disappearing for years at the time.

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But he actually sounded and look good, I will say
for a stadium. I was unimpressed with the fact that
he had like no dancers. He just walked back and
forth on the stage. He was it was given. You
ain't hit a stage in a while.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
Somebody though, like somebody literally just said they've seen him performing.
They wasn't. They didn't like it because he don't have that.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
There was no there was no element of a performance.
It was you getting my vocals and I'm walking back
and back and forth.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
It's gonna fiell me or not.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
He feel like app.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yes, which is probably why the worst rapper I've ever
seen live is Future like tear like you already can't
understand him on the record. You know what's crazy. Migos
wasn't bad. However, Migos was late and Baby they opened
up for Drake. So the last time I saw Migos,
they were on tour with Drake. Saw them here at

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State Farm. Baby in the middle of the set because
State Farm don't play and I guess this was before
Drake was willing to pay the late fees. Nigga in
the middle of they set, music cut off and they
literally had to usher them off the stage. Half of
their performance was cut cause niggas wanted to get on
stage late. Now don't know there was three of them.
Don't know which one was late. If I had to guess,

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I'm guessing Offset. Because he gives Diva, you would guess Quevo.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
I wouldn't guess Offset.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Okay, maybe the only reason why I would guess Quovo
is now he's doing country music, which means he might
lean into more white instead. That motherfucker be all time
he's trying to leave more toys.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
I feel like he was the group.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
No, I think he looked the best, which is why
people listed him as the Beyonce. To me, the person
who sounded the best and rap the best was always.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Take off, Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Like and we are as a community agreed with that.
We just saw Quavo more because of his looks and
who he was dating.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
No, who was he doing.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
He dated Sweetie, he dated Caruci, he dated quite a
bit like the Instagram girlies.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
And he had a fame to it too, Like you know,
he could ball, so he's playing in like the subby basket.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
What we're not doing that, I'm saying the celebrity basketball.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
Wasn't he the first? Wasn't he he was? Wasn't he
the m v P of the NBA celebrity.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
We are not legitimately, we are not taking that game serious.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
I'm just I'm just saying that ads to fame.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
I don't think visibility. I thought he just I thought
he had singles first. I'm not really I don't remember.
And this is like so fresh that I ain't looking
to it, but I think he had singles first. I
think he was the first one that went.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
So that's why he did with Travis Scott.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yeah, that's what he did.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
He had he did a he did a feature. He
did a feature on one of my favorite young Thug records,
and I was like, oh my god, I love this.
It was like a six minute, six minute record. You
said you're gonna fuck me to death when you see me.
You said that, you said that, you say you're gonna
do me the worst. I remember you right when. Y'all
don't know that's fine, okay, y'all don't really know that

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it's okay. It's okay. And I'm mad because I'm a
thug standing. He's annoying me right now with this.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
Guy, I feel about what Kanye was.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Oh, no that I feel for any Kanye West fan.
I ain't gonna hold you. I feel for any of y'all. Wait,
are you still one that is trying to be like no,
put its mental health. No, you gave up on you
gave up on Kanye. I'm waiting for the barbs to
give up on Nikki the way that y'all gave up
on Kanye.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Because at this point, it's like I just said this
and people are literally you.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Gotta be careful. You will get shadow hit in the bars.
Find a way to come and attack.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
Hey, please please do it your Maybe maybe then I'll
be more proper relig Then I'll have fifty thous being
castled is not being canceled and It ain't like I'm
doing it for raise big. I'm doing it because that's
my opinion. If I was doing it to go be.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Different, everything I'll say is how I feel too.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yeah. So I mean, if that happens, then okay.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
And if you got a problem with it, now again,
shout out to Chris Brown, Shout out to his stadium tour.
If you haven't yet, make sure y'all get your tickets
to the Breezy Bowl because it's worth it.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Is that. But what's the Internet isn't real?

Speaker 4 (12:29):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Because the Internet isn't real? Because if you if you
go off the Internet, he's canceled. We don't support him,
don't listen to him. He's not as good as MJ. Babe,
I ain't.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Gonna hold you Breezy Bowl was let, I ain't.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Gonna hold you. He is modern day MJ. He is
the male version. Right now, be y'all say like there's
no other First off, the fact that when we talk
about R and B, and we've talked about R and
B quite a bit, we could talk about the male
vocalists that sound good, but Nigga, they not even selling

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out Olive Garden. You know what I mean? Like they're.

Speaker 5 (13:06):
Not like.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
But like but like they're doing these intimate like hey,
come see us at the SOHO house members only.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
The stars and they're superstars, like like like to.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Be fair and this is no flex or no shade.
But me as a podcaster, horrible decisions, decisions decisions. When
I tour, I'm doing the same rooms as a lot
of these artists, right So for me, when we're looking
at what a star is right now, and even we'll
get into the topic of domestic violence later, but I

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don't know, he's just he's a fucking star. He's a
fucking star, and he's he's him, He's him. So when
I say the Internet is fake, it's to lean into
the fact that all of the outrage that we see
on the Internet, it's not translating because baby, they was
in them seats two nights in a row, and then
he he did Philly two nights before that. He just

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sold out euro Football stadium. These are football stadiums. And
so even when we lean into what we're what I
brought up Beyonce, but Kendrick got sizza. Let's be very clear,
and I'm gonna say it hot tape. Kendrick not doing
that without Sizza. Sizza not doing that without Kendrick. I
don't think so that I'm telling you, and this is

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why I say it. I went and saw Sizza last year.
She sold out MSG two or three nights in a row, Sizza.
So I don't think there's enough respect on Sissa's impact
on that stadium tour that Kendrick is doing Kendrick Kendrick,
the way he's dropped albums, the way he's not as
mainstream we see rappers are not selling out stadiums, that

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Nigga could not do a stadium tour without Sissm.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
I don't think that. I think he would do it
without siss only because from from the circus that I
was in. Even when they found out that he was
doing it and he he had his on it, it
was like question like why I brings his own well first.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Off, tde clearly, But that's what I think she now
has transcended. I think R and B she's a pop star,
for sure, she has records like she is a pop star.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
I'm not doubting that. But I just think especially with
the last what has it been two years now or
last year that Kendrick Lamar had right, I think he
sells all stadiums.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
I think I think we all were fine watching him
in a stadium at super Bowl. I don't think people
care to spend those tickets at what and if they do,
it's not enough to fill up a stadium by himself.
Like again, back to what we were seeing over the
last year two years of rap music in general. These
niggas not sell They start, they thought they could do arenas,

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those tours got canceled. Then you have like the Terminal
fives in New York, you have like the kind of
what five five thousand, the mid size joints. They're not
selling those out, so they have to go to the small.
They're back. We don't get We don't get niggas in
the clubs no more because club's not making money because
people not buying bottles. They're back doing club performances. We
gotta go see niggas that live again. What is going on?

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Kendrick Lamar has had like even the albums that he's had,
he's had classic albums without without the I guess the
quote unquote for the people that listen to me, the
general population noticing like he has like Butterfly, right, I'm
not a big fan of Kendricklamar at all, still not
to this day, right, but just from the last year,
I've learned that, oh nah, people really short for this guy.

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So like, I can't really say that because even the number,
he has some better numbers than Drake on some of
his albums, and Drake is the biggest pop star that
we've seen since the Beatles, like, like he even said.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
It, well, it helps when people have to wait so
long for an album like Drake has put out. Drake
has put out for the last ten years at least
every nine months. We got to drink out for sure,
and he tours it boom boom boom.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
I'm not comparing them to drink in essense. All I'm
just saying is I think he does sell out a
stadium in an absence of Scissor. But just like you said,
Scissor could sell sell out a stadium.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
In world, she could sell out an arena. And I
think that's what I'm talking about, Like the who's who's
the only niggas really selling out stadiums?

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Right?

Speaker 1 (16:59):
We got tail us with beyond football stadium football stadi
now we talk about high school stadiums. Nigga of course
we got bad Bunny. We got Bad Bunny, Beyonce Drake, Weekend,
Taylor Swift. Yeah, and then and then with Sis. I'm

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talking about these I know, but these five people that
I'm saying, no openers, no co headliners, these these five people. Baby,
when you get there, you got the DJ welcoming you.
There's no other shared fan base with those five superstars.
Might drop. All right, let's get.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
So what's up? So you also in New York though, too?

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Right?

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Oh yeah, when we talk a little bit about basketball,
I'll just say I felt vindicated as a celeb. I
went to Dakeman basketball. Baby, let me tell you, Okay,
And this is why I think I'm really a nigga
at heart, because I've been all over the world. Went
to Dubai, went to Thailand, been to South Africa, been

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to Nigeria, been to West Africa. Just went to Cannes
in the South of front. Right, Baby, I felt it
in my soul. Went to Dykman while I was visiting
up in New York. It's the playoffs, pull up, gates closed,
my homegirl hits the coach for the Dominican power. We
get in, baby, we get two seats center court court

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side c celebrity wrote ah, and I was like, oh,
bit ch ill used to come here and have to
be up in the fucking bleachers. No one knew my name.
So literally, during the timeouts, the nigga that'd be like
and no, no dada, he going here. He shouting the
pot eye. He's like, we got man in the building.
I said, oh my god, they know me at the
Dykman courts. I made it bruh, I ain't even gonna

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hold you. And it's maybe because I've been in New
York for the last thirteen years and I literally like
at the hustling ground. But I was like, I don't
care that when I go to clubs the niggas the
door knows me anymore. I was like, they knew me
at the historical courts of Diykmond Basketball. Yes, there was
no other celebrities there. So maybe that's why I was like, oh,

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now I need to stay courtside for the free because
I found out them niggas really be paying for them
court side seats at these games and they be dropping
a bag.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
They be dropping a bag unless you're sitting with like
a brand that's going to sponsor, like uh, bud light
or something like that, you know.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
And listen, Hey, but I drink that ship I drank
but no, it was really dope. I didn't want to
ask you because you've been potting, you've been in this space.
Has there been any rooms or anybody you specifically met
or had a conversation with that made you be like, Ooh,
I'm him, I'm making it. I'm where I want to be.
Because you said with a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
Yeah, so I haven't said with him yet, but like
just talking to people like meet Meal like me reposted
me for my birthday saying happy birthday, and I'm like, yo.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
What oh wow.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
I'm like, this is my favorite rapper coming up right,
Like this is me we talking to DM. I'm like
there's no way.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
Also, people like t I right, and and the one
thing my thing with Atlanta, I think they just like
I feel like niggas is not grateful for the people
that they have, maybe because they see them so much.
But like I remember doing the Tia interview and my
team was like, oh, yeah, I've been in this studio
mad times, and like what y'all niggas not going to
no no Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
When I say it's not a real place, Jason. I've
been here six months, and you know I'm barely here
when I tell you, the Atlanta rappers move around like
I've never seen like you know, in New York you
got the gyms that be out everywhere you got, you got,
and I really only see Jim move like that first
nigga down here, you're running into You're running into two chains,

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but eating at kabab Land, you running into him at
his trip club. You're just running. T I is literally
out and supports all the local nigga. It'll be three parties.
T I will show up just to shake hands and
show face. Then you who else?

Speaker 4 (21:14):
Doug Spot, oh cope being there every week. Gunna is
right there. I'm like, yo, what this Before everything happened,
but I'm like, yo, what's going on for this.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
To be a city where you can't even really park
a car without being in beer, your windows being crashed out.
I will say, whatever, respect, whatever work they put in,
I've never seen rappers to the caliber of stardom that
they are operate in a city to where everyone in
the city actually feels like, oh yeah, I seen them.

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They come in, they sit, they each eat they god
damn waffles and chicken right next to you, get up
and move like they're not They're not enamored by people
taking pictures because like the locals be like, oh yeah,
we see them all time.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
But with that, that's why I say, like, nah, let's
not take this for granted. No, I'm doing an interview
with y'all, and people like, yeah, ive been to the studio.
I'm like, all right, let's not act like this. Yeah
tell yeah, like what are y'all talking about? So I
guess t y'all will be one of them? But yeah, really, meek,
I've interviewed so many people, but just looking back on it, man,
it's just the blessing because where I come from, people

(22:21):
don't do what I'm doing, or they try to do it,
you know what I'm saying. So for me to have
the success and all my peers like, well not peers,
but people that's down here, like man, you should be
so so further than where you wear. I just feel
like you a star da da da da. And sometimes
I tell myself like man, wait, let's not get it
messed up, like if it not gonna will if it
stops today, nigga, Like I did a great job, broke
so many especially from my city. So like just I

(22:43):
guess the catalog in general, if I, if I, if
I had to like speak to it, to be honest,
who's the.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
One person you you want to sit with besides me?
Because meet me DM okay and here go meet me
invited me to his show because I said niggas couldn't
name five of his records. Yeah you ain't like that,
take either, my bad, my bet, I ain't know you that.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
I feel like sometimes we get we get biased by
like tom too because I might not can't name five
right off the hand on my hand, but I brought
I could rap ten or fifteen. That makes sense. Yeah,
but I mean damn might have forgot.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
It ain't relevant right now. Decide of mind sometimes but anyway, mind,
I would love to interview so my once. I want
to interviews people I probably wouldn't agree with, like Kanye
West okay, and I do I am still a fan
of some sort of Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Oh okay.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
I would want to interview somebody like r Kelly uh
and I mean probably jay Z.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Do you feel like it's right to want a platform
those type of thing.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
That's a great question, and I'm hearing. I'm still like
trying to deal with trying to get to the story,
into the bottom of something as like a journalist, I guess,
and also like giving them a giving somebody that's file
as R Kelly your platform as well.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
So I'm still but give me the one question you
would want to I need to know. You just made
hold on, here we go. You just said if you
could sit with anybody on the podcast, it would be R. Kelly, Trump,
and Kanye. Those were the three names. I need to know.
What what is the number one question you would ask
each of them? Let's start with Let's start with Kanye.

(24:23):
What one question is going in there? Whether his team
says you can or.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
Not, I don't know. I'm not going to you no, no,
not Come.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
On, journalists, what is the question that you would want
to ask Kanye?

Speaker 4 (24:32):
The conversations go, well, it might not, it might not
stand out right now, but it would be like what's
going on? Like what's up? Like what happens?

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Asking a journalistic passion.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
I can't answer right now.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
But that's a lot of my interviews saying he's saying,
He's saying a series of questions will get him to that.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, exactly, Jason, Exactly, you get to sit with Kanye West.
What is the number one question you want to ask
Kanye West?

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Number one question I would ask Kanye West? M or
would I asked him? I don't know what was you asked?

Speaker 3 (25:04):
No more?

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Number one A question I would ask, kind of. I mean,
I guess, like, does he really believe the shit he
be saying? You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (25:11):
When you're when you're alone and you're by yourself and
you're talking to your dad, is this how you talk?

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Hmmmm?

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Let me say this though, right, So, I guess it's
different type of journalists, right, And I think the type
of journalism that I do, I'm gonna get, like Jason said,
I'm gonna get to a point where it answers this question.
I know me coming in saying, yo, bro, like you
said you you supported Trump? What's up with that? That
might not garner the attention or that might not garner
the answer that I want me coming in there, just
genuinely being curious, like bro, like we loved you. Bro.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
My question for one, because I'm aware of not only
mental health disorders but narcissism. So I would genuinely want
to know if his mind around believing he could actually
run for president. I would want to know, like if
he actually thought you had a fighting chance and why
I would want him to explain why he thought he

(26:01):
would make a better president than anyone else. Tell me
the question you would ask R. Kelly.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
I don't know, man, where did it go wrong?

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Like?

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Where did you like.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
He would talk about his melitiation as a young age.
At a young age, he would turn.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
And that's cool. So if that's true, we can't erase
what happened, right, what are some signs if you can?
Because I don't even know if he took ownership of
this right. So one I want him to take ownership
of what he did.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Right.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
And if we can teach anybody in the world who
might go through something and see the what are the
telltale signs that they're going down this road? Because it
might not. Your situation is done. How can we help
someone else? Because the molestation ain't gonna stop. And I'm
not I'm not promoting it or nothing like that. We
just know that the way of our world, it's not
going to stop. So how can what do the telltale
signs to prevent somebody else from going down the same

(26:52):
route of being a being a pedophile.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yes, what would be your question? R Kelly, Journalist Jason.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Jason R Kelly, I guess I would have asked R. Kelly.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Uh, I guess I would ask him when it went
from playing on young girls to then like the violence
against older women, Like you know, I mean, like what
changed for you.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Once you don't care about girls or women? That's it's
once you're an abuser in one fashion. It's it's literally
the pipeline to become abuser in another way, Like that's
not surprising at all, Like not surprising at all?

Speaker 2 (27:31):
The fuck.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Here I go. I want him to admit he's mad
that nobody else got charged with his car. So I
would be like, now we know you had help because
you can't read or write. So how mad are you
that the people that were booking the flights and bringing
the girls and the entourages that you had, How mad
are you that none of them niggas went down with you?

(27:54):
And have you felt that? But but that's what I'm saying.
We saw Polo to Don's mama up in there talking
like pretty much, and maybe she had the clemency to
do that to where she wasn't going to get charged.
But like, I would want to know you sat behind bars,
singing us through the singing to us through the phone,
doing all that shit in there. You know, are you?
Do you feel a way that the people that were

(28:17):
a part of these crimes with you did not get charged?
And who are they? I need you to name them?
I would ask that, And then okay, only because we're
doing this and y'all should have been known it's coming.
What's the one question you asking Trump?

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Again? My questions are really centered around the understanding of
the person.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
So what what what question would you ask to understand
anything about Trump?

Speaker 4 (28:39):
I would want to know what is your overall goal?
Like what is the purpose of all of this?

Speaker 5 (28:44):
Right?

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Like we see you to become Fidel Castro? Like the
overall goals? He's a dictator. He he is obsessed with power,
with money, and in short, he's kind of told us
that with his behavior.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
I want to know from his mother because we might
misreading him. He might feel like he's misunderstood, So like
what is the purpose? Like what what are you trying
to get at?

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Misunderstood? No, I don't know Trump is just miss.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
No, I don't agree with him, but I know like
sometimes it be the craziest people be the most talented.
Like that's how we get Einstein, you know what I'm saying,
Like that's not that's again the same The Kanye West
that we get today is the same one that we
got when he got on the stage and said Beyonce
to one. It's literally the same person. It's the line.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Between Bobby then you got to be Bobby now exactly.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
So like I really want to understand so we can
paint a picture to be cause there's so many people
that look up to these people, So I want to
get a picture to understand what is the purpose so
we can know where we can what we can identify
it before we get there, even myself, because I look
like I'm somebody that want to be great and that
stripe for greatness. But it's like what's the thin line
between greatness and just going too far? Right?

Speaker 1 (29:48):
So we're seeing it.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
But you identify what exactly what it was for Kanye
was because we all think it was his mother, his mother, but.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
That yeah, we don't know, we don't know.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
That's why that's that's really the question.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
But a Trump Jason where we get into our double
down and take it back? What you I don't know.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
I guess I'll ask him about he you know, his
like Trump's father was wealthy and Trump robbed his father.
Like his father like gave him bread, Trump like mismanaged it.
Then he ended up robbing his dad. So I probably
asked him something about like robbing his dad and trying
to get into that comes like a movie that's kind
of like his first crime.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
I so to Jay's point, like to kind of get
an understanding of how he thinks.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
So in understanding how he thinks, my question to Trump
would be what the conversations are with his goddamn wife
who was born in Slovenia, Okay, and then later moved
to the US in ninety six and became a naturalized
citizen in two thousand and six. So while he out
here deporting all the people that aren't natural citizens of

(30:48):
the goddamn Us of a, what do the conversations look
like with your wife, my nigga? Like we know you
walking around with her clone from time to time because
she don't like all the all the hoopla. But how
do you fix your face? Your mouth? Your mind to
want to rid yourself or rid the country of unborn citizens,

(31:10):
naturalized citizens in the US of a while you're married
to one, and then you have the nerve to be like,
I'm gonna just send them motherfuckers to whatever cost, don't
even matter if it's the country they're from. Like you
laying up with a woman that's not from here, and
your mind's still going there to do such a thing.
I need to know what them conversations, what Evanka look like?

Speaker 4 (31:31):
That great question? What okay?

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, like it don't make sense, And that's always Milania
Avanca is the daughter? No Avanca the daughter.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Was one of his wifs.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
No Milennia Trump is the is the is the wife?

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Evanka's mother is uh? The one that sounds like this
is the thing too?

Speaker 1 (31:55):
You got you got audise people to get these These
people within your fan family don't even have American names,
and that sound probably ignorant. Fuck goddamn American name. I'll
tell you that where they from Russia or something?

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Wh from?

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Where where they from? Evanka Trump from?

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Hana Trump Czechoslovakia?

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Bruh, See what I mean? Now, Ivanka was born here,
but Haama was It was born bruh. You even like
foreign bitches Trump make it make sense. I don't think
you can. I don't think you can. Anyways, we're gonna
go ahead before we get into all of the current
events that have had y'all's blood boiling on the Twitter streets,

(32:39):
Instagram streets, TikTok streets, and Facebook, we're gonna do our
segment called double down or take it Back. And we
pulled a clip from the j Hill podcast. This is you.
We have Jay. You're gonna play it right, not all
the Jays. Jesus, guys, I need, I need all your
mother is to come up with another letter.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
Let's get it. When you say real consequences, like like
a nigga put his hands on a woman, he need
to get his ass with. A nigga sexually assault a woman,
need to get beat the fuck up.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Little things like that.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
When I say consequences like, you need to understand that
if I talk sideways to a nigga, I can get
hit in my mouth. If I speak one thing and
I don't stand on my word, I can lose something
from it.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Right.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
If I expect somebody, I can get hurt by it.
If I put my hands on somebody, it's a possibility
I can end up in the hospital. That's what it works. Yeah,
that's what I mean by consequences. Like growing up, Bro,
I was faced with those consequences every single day. And
I talk about this a lot like, Bro, you ain't
gotta be a hood nigga to have to understand the
rules and regulations of the hood. He ain't sell drugs,
I ain't. I wasn't no gang banger, but Baltimore was

(33:45):
still Baltimore. So it's certain guidelines I had to follow
behind or I was gonna have to follow the consequences
or had the abide by the consequences that come from
my actions. I'm trying to say, so, yeah, if I'm
in if I'm in the streets, I might not be
no no, no, no gang banger. But I gotta follow
the rules because if I don't follow the rules, the
game bank is don't give if I bang blood or not.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
You get what I'll say, Okay, you stand by that. Now.
Why I ask you why I picked this particular clip
out is because the consequences and to the severity of
the consequences that you went to was hospital? Is there
any crime? So you believe that there are certain actions

(34:25):
that are justified by the consequence of death. And this
is why I like, and we're going to get into
the domestic violence portion of what's been being talked about
over the last two three weeks now. But when I
saw this clip, I was like, okay, because this is
the debate right now online in terms of what consequences
are justified when you're not going through the justice system.

(34:47):
How should we do what is it called kind of vigilant?
How should we show up as vigilantes essentially and and
administer those consequences to people who who do fucked up shit?

Speaker 4 (34:58):
Yeah, Unfortunately, I do think that people learning extremes, right,
So my, my, my, uh, my examples be extreme a lot,
but because that's what you understand, and that's what you
were learning, because a lot of times people people don't
They don't understand that actions until it's something that changes
that life, right, because you could continue to do things

(35:20):
over and over again, make the same mistake until it's
something that jeopardizes your life, and your life is online.
I don't so I don't agree with I don't agree
with that, but I can I just acknowledge that that's
where we are in our life and we've been there, right,
So when I think about the things that's happening, it's like,
it's not gonna take. It's gonna take for somebody to
lose their life for you to really understand, right, But are.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
There actions that justifies someone losing their life?

Speaker 4 (35:46):
So no, I'm not gonna say it justifies it. I
can't say it justifies it. But I know we learned
from it, so it's it's a slippery slope.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Well, I ask you that because we had Montgomery here,
and I believe in the death penalty for crimes against
children and even like serial rapists, siracular, if you take
a life, I don't. I'm not mad with your life
being taken, right, So I don't.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Agree with that. You don't agree with I'm with you, right,
But I don't agree with it because I think it's easy.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
It's too easy.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
It's too easy. You just yeah, you take somebody's life
so you can die. You don't have to live with it.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
No, I'm not gonna lie. Some people though, getting they
ass whooped it, don't teach them to stop doing the
go and get.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
Your asshoop every day for life. Don't get killed, Okay,
suffer if you killed a kid. If you I'm not
a kid.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Jail don't look as much suffering as it needs to be.
Niggas in there with cell phones. I watch porn. These
niggas doing porn and dropping it. They're making money on
the only fans while in jail, like jail right there,
niggas got halbachi in jail. Jail don't even look like
it's And of course I've never been there, so sorry.
Someone's like, no, jail real hard. But to me, there's

(36:59):
not enough suffer bring in jail for me to feel
like if you've done a big enough crime that jail
is a good enough consequence for certain people.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
I've never like been upstairs and got a sign to
a room, but I was arrested a few times, right,
so when I'm not a few times I think no,
when I think about what you just said, right right,
you see people watching TV, watching movie, But I don't
think I think they are nominalies. I don't think that's
the overarching theme of like when people go to jail.
People go to jail, they lose their mind. People go
to jail, they uh uncomfortable predicaments, Like people go to

(37:29):
jail and they're really in bad situations. I think that's
the majority what we see. Of course we see it
from now and again, but I don't think that's the
entire entirety of what people experience.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
It, Right, But what even you saying that as I'm
listening to you say, people lose their minds here, people
do this here? Do you know where I see that
happening outside of jail too?

Speaker 4 (37:45):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (37:46):
So like niggas like, which is why so many people
are habitual offenders, right. They constantly go back because there's
a better life for them in jail than there is
in the real life, where you have to get a job,
you gotta work, you gotta pay your bills on time,
you have to show up as a citizen with actual
responsibility in the jail, nigga, your food coming, you got
bed to sleep in, you gotta roof over your head.

(38:08):
And so when I say there's certain crimes where that's
not enough suffering, that's not enough consequence. It's why my
question to you is when you when I when I
listen to this clip, you literally stopped at hospital. But
I also see it's because you don't believe in the
death penalty. You don't believe a life for a life.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
It's no, no, no, no, no, I'm not saying that, like
because I just think it should be worse, and I might.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
What is worse than not being here anymore?

Speaker 3 (38:31):
But he thinks suffering, the suffering they're living with it, yes, suffering, Like.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
These niggas don't be they don't be sad or guilty.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
There's so many people.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
There's some people that do. But I take so fine.
Kill the niggas that ain't got any empathy, Kill the lack.
Kill the lack of empathy as motherfuckers out here, because
there are people that will take a life and.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
Be like, Okay, yeah, I did it, yeah and again.
And it's not the fact about taking a life, it's
just that again you ask me the questions that I
asking people. It's to learn it to teach people, like
because if you keep sending people to jail and kids
see that, it's like you just said, it's TV's in jails.
People are they working in jail, they having their way
in jail. So it's like, what are the consequences of

(39:14):
taking somebody life? There is none, it seems like, And honestly,
like and I'm gonna be I'm gonna be real with it,
and people might educated whatever. I think that's the consequence, Like,
that's the price of freedom. Think about it, like, what's the.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Price of freedom?

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Everything? Like you murdering somebody, like doing whatever you want.
Because we free, we can do whatever we want and
people and people take advantage of that in a negative
way and I hate that. So it's like, yo, we
have to learn. How can we learn? The only way
you can learn is that the highest extreme. So again, no,
I'm not pro people losing their lives, but if that's
what it takes for our world to be a better
place twenty years from now, that's what we gotta do,
and I'm willing. I'm willing to do that. It is

(39:48):
what it is. Like we had a conversation and uh no,
it's not.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Okay, okay, You're like, well, I he did want to
lean into with this conversation what the timeline has really
been talking about. There are two current domestic violence situations
that had people in a tizzy, one including kirk Frost
and Rashida's family, where Kirkfrost's daughter was dating a rapper

(40:18):
by the name of Tee Hood who was recently shot
by allegedly At this point, he has been taken Another suspect,
the daughter's brother, who allegedly was called to protect her
as she was experiencing a relationship with domestic violence. Her
best friend has come forward, willing to risk her friendship

(40:40):
with Kirkfrost's daughter, sharing videos of him beating on her. Now,
this didn't happen, I guess the week of his killing,
but this was to show that there was a long
standing relationship in terms of him beating her. She also
leaked text messages between her friend, the girl who was

(41:02):
dating Tea Hood, and Tea Hood's mother where she was like, Yo,
he's laying his hands on me again. Come get his things.
And it was multiple threads where she was expressing that
he was laying hands on her. What I see in
the comments are people like rest in hell. He's where
he needs to be. It was bound for him to
end up on a shirt. There's also another woman that

(41:23):
he was allegedly involved with romantically, by the name of Vanessa,
who also was getting her ass beat by this man.
And so we've had this conversation here on selective ignorance.
Before I actually might have doubled down on a take
I had earlier, but it was interesting because now her
brother is being arrested for murder, She's lost her boyfriend,
and it's unfortunate because the other part of this is

(41:46):
people saying, well, she kept going back, and so in
terms of this, before we get to Shakari Richardson as well,
before we leave here, I would like to know your
thoughts on stepping in here, if men should maybe not,
if we as a society are okay with other people

(42:13):
saying he deserved to die because he was beating a woman.
I just think there's so many ways that the public
currently is outraged, right because his family is specifically saying, well,
he wasn't beating her ass this night, where's the video
of that, which is also sick. The family is like
these videos he had on a bubble best, which means

(42:34):
it was cold outside. Show us the video of him
laying his hands on her the night he got shot
and killed. Then there's also the conversation of overkill. He
was shot seven times, five in the back. So there's
just so many different conversations about this particular thing. I
just want to know your thoughts overall on what we're
seeing the outrage be with this particular case.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
So I can't really speak to this case. I haven't
really seen too much about it. I've seen the dude past,
but when it comes to like domestic violence, I came
up in a space or from a neighborhood where you
mind your business, right, But at the same time, I'm
a person, right right, I'm a man, so like I
also in that same place, we was taught to protect
children and women. So it's like at anytime that you
see something like that, you know, just from my perspective,

(43:19):
it's like, yo, like you protect the woman that's a hand. However,
I I'm not mad at the people who don't, because
we just seen somebody in DC got killed for trying
to step in. Yeah, just happened, right, So it's like
for anybody that doesn't do that, I understand why they
wouldn't or why they would be scared to Uh, It's
just I don't know if I could do that, I

(43:40):
would just have to pray that my life would be spared,
if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
I know you, but you would step in, you.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
Know, off top, I say, yeah, But I hate hypothetical
questions because everybody said your best friend to say I
take bullet for you until a gun is pulled out.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
You know what I'm saying. Whatever they're going right in
front of me.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Every I under saying. People always say. People always say
what they would do in the situation, then the situation happened,
and then they don't do nothing right. So I'm trying
to be careful with the hypotheticals, right, I don't like,
I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
I mean, I'll be honest for me with this. Because
Tea Hood is a local rapper of Atlanta. A lot
of my friends were mourning his death, and clearly the
day it happened, I reached out to each person I
saw that was that was mourning him because I hate
my friends that have to keep dealing with grief. Right,
that's never good. And a part of me is mad

(44:29):
that I can't take it back, because I'm not mad
that he died now, Like it's not like he died
protecting the country, not that we need to protect this
motherfucker anyway. He didn't die running into a burning building,
save in somebody like to know, he was beating some
bitches ass Like to me again, I believe, like, if
you're gonna cause that type of harm while you're here,

(44:51):
on this earth, baby, you don't deserve to be here.
There's a lot more people. And this is why karma
is one of them tricky ass things. I'll be like,
when someone really good dies, I literally be like, do
you know how many other motherfuckers don't need to be here? Like?
And that'd be My question is sometimes to even God
in the universe and how the shit work? He's one
of them niggas can't deserve to be here. He was
out here beating, to our knowledge, at least two women's asses.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
In that case, well, first he had to go first
of all, shout out to you for being mandy beat
You know what I'm saying, Like, you know what I'm saying.
I couldn't hit you early, like yo, what's up? But anyway,
y'all shout out to you all. I love that. But
not in that case. I don't believe that, like somebody
in that situation should die, right. I do believe they
should get ass for sure, maybe consecutively for ninety days,
one hundred and twenty. I do believe that. I'm not
gonna lie to you. I don't think they should die

(45:36):
because at the end of the day, that could be
a sickness. It could be an illness that he needs
to learn from it and can get better from him.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
When it's probably not. He probably got his ass beat
by a few niggas, which is why you know he
can't beat no motherfuckers, so he got to beat on
bitches like there was just a video. There was a
TikTok and it shows the type of guy that beats
on women. And he literally is walking past a girl
in the train station and he go like this, walk
past niggas and jump jump scared. So to me, I'm

(46:01):
just not a fan of any man that feel the
need to lay his hands on What I.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Will say is hopefully her brother, if this is true, right,
hopefully her brother can get out on self defense or
whatever the case may be. And I do I am
pro like family sticking up for I don't.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Know if it's self defense if he was beating up,
but not only that he was clearly walking away and
he was if he wasn't.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
If you didn't him to the room while it was happening.

Speaker 5 (46:27):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
But not only that, I don't think it's self defense
if you're defending somebody else that ain't self that's the
you know what I mean. So it's a little tricky.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
Justices to making. I don't give him some linency hopefully.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Now let me ask you this flipping the script real quick,
and we used to flip the script over here. So
we're taking the table, we're shaking the table a little bit. Now,
we're not talking about death here. However, Shaikari Richardson was
recently arresting. I don't even like this that this says
allegedly nigga, there's video, there's even allegedly in here. Come on, journalists.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Jason updates as.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Shakari was arrested for assaulting her boyfriend at the Seattle
Tacoma International Airport, where she shoved him and was verbally abusive.
He declined to press charges, and at the time he
also said that he did not want to participate in
any further investigation. She recently apologized, made a whole Diddy
video says she gonna get the help she need and

(47:26):
he forgave her cases cleared. Here we are now. She
went to jail, but he didn't press charges. This is
a case I ain't gonna hold you, and not that
I want to see anyone black in jail because I don't.
But but but, and this is gonna be a real

(47:49):
hot take. Bear with me here. The same way we
talk about Meg the Stallion not wanting to pursue charges,
and I know, yes there was a weapon involved, but
it's still abuse. The way that megde Stallion did not
want to pursue charges on Tory Lane but the state
stepped in is the same way for me. We have

(48:12):
to have the same reaction to women who want to
publicly lay their hands on men, because had that motherfucker
reacted in the airport, guess who would have been his
ass in jail probably and she would have been free.
I think also, it's disgusting and I don't know if

(48:32):
you want to I don't know what clip you inserted here.
I want to say, it is disgusting. You male podcasters,
you women podcasters, you big platform to ass motherfucking podcasters
for applauding him for having the restraint in this case.

(48:52):
I don't think that it is great, nor is it healthy,
nor is it the messaging we need to be putting
out that he should applaud men who take abuse and
don't react. Because let's be very clear, it came out
in both sides that that's what happened with Chris Brown.
Rihanna came out and said she was whooping his ass first.

(49:14):
And I just really hate, and I've talked about this
even with my friends. I really hate that there is
just like this leniency of well, huh, he could take it.
Men should not be punching bags for women, and it
shouldn't be applauded that a man doesn't react. Here's my
hetake not ladies, if you hit a nigga, he should

(49:35):
be able to hit your ass the fuck back, and nobody.
It cancels each other out. It cancels each other out.
Nobody should even at this point go to jail or
you both go to jail for battery.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
So when we're talking about this, this is not a
just chance that's taking. So let's let's break it down
right at the end of the day. I don't know
how y'all think, but at the end of the day,
we talking about people, and I think the overarching goal
should be for people to be better. So, yeah, it
shouldn't be promoted to take violence from a woman. No,
it shouldn't be promoted to take violence, but it should

(50:06):
be applauded for you to have restraint. No, I do
think that shit like you should, because restraint is saying
that even when we're talking about grace, right, I'm when
we talk about grace, right, we're talking about not doing
something even when when you have, even when you can,

(50:31):
even when the decision to do is understood and it's okay, right,
Grace is not doing it in that in that moment, right,
So I think it should be applauded for a person
to not I think Martin Luther King's that the right hate.
Hate can't drive out hate. Only love can do that, right,
and that's the only way we're going to get to
a place of being better individuals. So when you see
a person not retaliating in the moment where he can

(50:51):
and he's justified, I think that should be applauded and
more people should be like that. Now, it shouldn't be promoted,
I think being promoted.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
And well, if you're applauding on a public platform, you're
promoting this action to take place for men. Hear me
out too, as I'm listening to you. When I think
of how we could be better as a community, specifically
for how we can create safer spaces for men, right,
you saying it should be applauded that a man has

(51:18):
restraint for getting beat on by a woman. Reminds me
of why there's so many men that don't come out
about their sexual assault.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
That framing is also restraint for not hitting.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
No, But that's what I'm saying. So then do you
know where I go with that? When a man or
a boy gets molested, he's applauded for entering manhood, he's
applauded for having sex with a woman. Whether it's true
a lot a lot of men, no, And it's not good.
But that's what I'm saying. It's not good that we
are applauding the restraint of a man at the abuse

(51:49):
of women. Women should not be laying their hands on men,
and men should not be applauded for not reacting. No,
humans should be getting beat on by their lover, by
a spouse, by like at all, and so for me
and so for me the same way, it's bad that
we don't create that space for boys to share their
sexual experiences when they're unhealthy. To me, it's the same

(52:12):
thing we're putting y'all in a prison to be abused,
because now we're applauding that ooh, thank you for not
hitting the bitch back to me. It's it's what I.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Don't think those I don't think those are apples that happen. Yeah,
because the thing is like, because you can hear Jay
saying it, like he agrees with the first part of it,
like nobody should be getting hit, but then like the
justifiable like when you know the bitch should get hit
back and you know it should just be like.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
She won't, but she won't hit it ass again. Like
that's the other part too, Like you have women that
genuinely and and maybe this is the masculine realm were
in currently, you have women that genuinely think they could
whoop a man's ass. And and this is why, it's
why I don't believe transmits should be in women's sports
and vice versa. Bro, No you can't.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
I'm just laughing at the bridge you cross.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Genetically, men are stronger, men are built differently biologically.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
So I don't want to be I don't want to
be a contradiction. Right, So this is similar to my
first take. Do I believe that if more women got
that ass whoop, it will happen less? Yeah, So it's
like if yeah, like you gotta learn more.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Women got their ass beat retaliate retaliation.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
They could learn. So it's again that's like I don't
believe that people should die. Like so me knowing better,
I don't believe that people should die. But it's still
that little ignorant boy in me that come from the hood, like, well,
maybe niggas this would it take for people to learn? Yes,
I'm with that. So it's the same thing, but I'm
not like again, but me trying to better my mentality

(53:50):
or have the world be a better place. I do
think that we should applaud the restraint because again, the
restraint in one and that's how I look at it,
Like sometimes the way you do one thing is the
way you do everything. And the same restraint that you
take from not hitting no woman back is the same
restrict that I'll take as a man. If you out
in the street and somebody cuts you out, you walk away.
Like we're talking about emotional intelligence here. I know a
lot of times, a lot of times we from the hood, right,

(54:12):
I'm from the projects. A lot of men like me
lose our lives because we don't have we're not emotionally intelligent.
More emotionally mature enough to just walk away and ignore something.
So the fact that this man can have this happen,
I don't think it should be happening to him.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
I want us to treat humans like humans, and I don't.
I would never applaud a woman for staying in a
domestic viol no, but this is what I'm saying. The restraint,
the fact that he didn't press charges, the fact that
he didn't fight back as a man a lot, but
women aren't applauded for not fighting back for staying. It's like, bitch,

(54:47):
while you're still there. Men he's being applauded for the restraints,
don't care that he be saying because it's Chicago riches.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
Let's break it down though. So I was in a
long term releaship, right, and one thing I heard in
therapy money woman is I feel like the man in
this is analogy, I feel like the man step on
my foot, but then there's an upset when I yell. Right.
So in that situation, right hypothetical, let's say a really
bad like your man cheats on you, some women think
that he deserves to get his ass smacked or whatever.

(55:15):
They understand that I'm applauding the woman who has restraint
enough to be cheated on, to walk away, to be disrespected,
quote unquote, not retaliate. I applaud that restraint. Do I
think she should be in that situation?

Speaker 3 (55:27):
No?

Speaker 4 (55:27):
Do I think that's an unfair situation to be in. Yes,
but I applaud you to have the restraint enough to
not retaliate in a negative way.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
That's okay. I get where you're going, and I agree
at the end of the day, I do agree cool
having restraint and not fighting back. All right, you can't fight,
you know, even with evil. We quoted MLKA, I don't know.
I was on the side of I was on the
side of Nigga, you know what I mean. So whatever
little kumbaya shit you just said, heard you? I just

(55:55):
I do believe like you should leave a situation without retaliation. Sure,
but when you day to applaud someone for not only
not retaliating, but saying in in an abusive situation, I'm
not here for now. I do want to lighten this
up just a little bit. We got two more topics
we're gonna hit where I don't think we're gonna hit. No,

(56:15):
I didn't mention Michael Porter. We're good on that well hit.
Let's uh, you know what, Let's let's get back to
some music. Let's get back to some musick. We have
a clip of a recent little yachtie record that has
the people upset. I also do love by the way
we all playing it to. Stephen Jackson has responded from

(56:38):
all the smoke, shout out to my Black Effect fam.
And I don't know if you saw it. Jason his
his nephew or cousin also recently dropped a response that
I have in my phone as well. So basically, let's
start with playing the lyrics from the song. If you
can play that for us, Jason.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
All right, So it's a little yachty record verse on
a black Boy Max record.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
I want she don't rate.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
It started at the top, get it from the top,
get it from the top. Let's get it from the top.
I want.

Speaker 5 (57:23):
She don't wait?

Speaker 2 (57:25):
All right, so the put my nap on her neck.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
I want George Floyd all right?

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Now, can we hear Steven Jackson's response to that? And
I'm gonna pull up because before we start responding, let's
see the people who are actually close to and related
to George Floyd what they have to say if you
while you pull that up, Jason, I'm gonna read the
clip from the cousin and I think I might have

(57:53):
sent it to you. Jay. Yes, so George Floyd's and
this comes from another Black Effect fan, Laura Le Rosa
said Terrence Floyd, who is the brother of George Floyd.
This is his full statement. I believe it's inconsiderate. Sometimes
this generation doesn't pay attention to what they say. They

(58:13):
just say what they want to make a song and
just get on the charts and really feel like the
people listening will accept it because of who he is.
It's really inconsiderate. You should think about what you're writing.
It may make sense to you, but think about the
impact to us. People are sending the clip to me.
I want the line changed. Let my brother rest in peace.
It disturbs the family's piece. There has to be a

(58:35):
better message behind any message of George Floyd's name so
his legacy can live on beyond what Chauvin did to him.
And what did Stephen Jackson have to say?

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Here was Stephen Jackson.

Speaker 5 (58:45):
Clip should be doing? Man, I'm making changes in my life.
I'm doing the right thing. I'm winning. I'm just trying
to pay attention to you this man, but like it's
just hard bro, like li yati bro you've been with.
But you think you saying George Floyd name and trying
to use his name in the bar, that's gonna maybe

(59:06):
for like your whack ass musicame that ship? We y'all
the only era that that feel like the meaning the
dead and saying that ship is cool?

Speaker 4 (59:14):
It ain't be sure.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
To like all right, who wants to start off with
their talk? I have my takes and by the way,
y'all may y'all listening. I don't know if y'all gonna
hate it. I don't know what page we on because
we didn't see where we fell on this. I have
a hot take on it because this is the personification

(59:38):
of selective outrage.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
Yep. I was just that's funny as to say that,
look what I'm like, I'm looking for like other inappropriate
red lines.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
I looked it up. So speaking of let's start with
your man meek Mill, because he was the most recent
let's start with meek Mill. Now, it was interesting that
Stephen Jackson leaned into like, it's y'all era that are
doing this well. Meek Mill actually in a record that

(01:00:08):
was released I want to say, within the last year,
it was called Don't Worry and in the track Meek
Mill raps. Yeah, and if I ever lack, I'm going
out with my chopper. It's another what the fuck? Oh look.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Jay?

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Now, now I get his family and things being being sad, right,
but I would love to know, coming from the NBA,
being a former champion, Steven Jackson's thoughts on a Meek
Mill and if you think he corny for using a
line like this. I want to continue on with the
fact that rappers like Jadakiss, Tyler, the creator flow J

(01:00:54):
have all referenced nine to eleven and the attacks on that.
So let's be very clear on that. To you have
Taler the creator, who, in his lyrics from Radicals from
a twenty eleven song pretty much condoned terrorism and he
trivialized nine to eleven. Uh. Flow J also referenced nine

(01:01:17):
to eleven, and mind you, there were thousands of thousands
of families impacted on that, so again selective outrage. And
then I want to add one more only because luckily
that woman just died. But I don't know if anyone
seemed to have any type of beef for Little Wayne,
who in his twenty thirteen record wrapped that he would

(01:01:37):
beat that pussy up like im Mattil, something that we've
literally known throughout our history the impact that it has
had on us. And so for me, it's like, what
is slectively outraged at this? Because I guarantee that nigga

(01:01:59):
probably he was celebrating, so I slipped.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
To mind banging that little wing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
You feel me, he probably wrapped it that I wasn't
in the club line Listen, what was I in the
club in twenty thirteen? Yeah? I was. I was like
twenty twenty two to twenty three. I feel like you
know when the when the record drop right now for
a minor, I feel like niggas the DJ was dropping

(01:02:25):
us saying the day was being a pussy like I
till you feel me. This is one of those where
I get it makes the news. But when we hop
in these comments and when we have these like opinions
publicly on something, can you lean into all the times
you didn't care because it didn't impact you, because baby,

(01:02:47):
you feel them towers about.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
The timeline to it, Like I feel like when you
say that Matill line, Like, you know, there's like decades
have pasted right with like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
The George Floyd is because it was just a couple
of years back.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Kobe was just twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
That was a tough one.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
That's why I want the Jay.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
That one was like, okay, so is there Jay a
timeline to where we should not be as.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Sensitive quote unquote windows.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
That rappers can like express themselves and it be for entertainment.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
Man, it's a slippery slope. Man, I'm with you one
hundred percent. I'm with you. It's like, what's the slope?

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Wait, is there a time line? You know?

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
You know what, Romia, I don't know how far off
this is going to be. My examples be crazy. It
reminds me of the word nigga, Like, oh, like you know,
I mean nigga. Nigger, right, was used in a Deroga.
It was a derogatory term for slaves and to diminish us, right,
and we we we adapted it to use it as

(01:03:50):
a word of endearment, which is crazy. I still use it.
I'm not about that. I'm not saying like I'm judging nobody.
I'm still a part of the ignorant people that do
but I can acknowledge that that's is ignorant as fuck.
We still do. So it's like rap is a culture
that bro rap has played the brains of young black
people coming from where I come from for years. We
talk about infidelity, we talk about the reason why we

(01:04:11):
being promiscuous messing with so many women, Like we hear
it in our rap killing people, We hear it in
our raps, and then we will say, well, rappers are
making songs about their experience and what they went through.
I understand, but it's also a thin line between making
a song about what you went through but also perpet
or promoting the violence that keep us in the same cause.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
That shit with young young agec and and had been
in a grip hole.

Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
So yeah, so it's like it's like, I understand, but
we just saying once it's gonna be in the club
pop and bottle singing their songs.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
So it's like, how much do we So here's my thing.
You just referred to hip hop as culture. Hear me
out here, and why I feel like this is all
selected outrage. Hip hop is not only culture, and there's
a culture from hip hop right, hip hop is art,
and so how I draw the pair or else from
this is we enjoy ted Bundy movies, we enjoy Titanic,

(01:05:06):
we enjoyed documentaries. Those are all forms of art that
display things that actually took place, and where the families
may not want to relive the trauma that they endured.
No one ever really sees seems to be that upset
when they're going to buy tickets to watch a movie
about something that happened in real life, you know what
I mean. And so when we look at hip hop

(01:05:27):
as art, that's where you might have to remove the
sensitivity around the personal touch to either yourself or everyone else.
Because Steven Jackson, I'm sure you have watched documentaries. I'm
sure you have gone to the movies and enjoyed or
been entertained by something that took place that included death,

(01:05:48):
that included rape, that included things that are traumatic that
somebody in real life has experienced. It's entertainable. Reminds me
of it reminds me of comedy.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
Not you, no, no, I didn't even know what we're
going to say. Runs me of comedy, like because that's
a space where it's I think it's like, it's okay, bro,
It's a joke. That's what some people have darkenments, some
people don't. So it's like when you said, I'm like, damn,
that's crazy. That's a great point. Like you smoked that, Mike,
Thank you well.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Last topic before we get out of here. Oh, y'all
got a y'all got a nice little long episode this
week before we get out of here, because you went
into comedy. Ari Lenox recently damn not the signe already
with just the name mintioned. Ari Lenox has had a
lot to say about black classic TV comedies. She has

(01:06:47):
received backlash recently with her take on Martin regarding the
jokes around Pam, which seemed to bother her. We don't
have to play the clips. I think at this point
you've kind of you kind of you're here familiar with it. Basically,
she leaned into the jokes on Martin not being that
funny because what it did was perpetuate colorism with the
jokes on Pam and there wasn't enough on Gina, and

(01:07:09):
it made people view black women as a as kind
of the butt of the joke. Right. She also continued
further to recently dark skinned women, dark skinned women, Yes,
dark skin black women I'm sorry. And then she recently
doubled down on not only her Martin take, but she
also led to say that Bernie Mack made her uncomfortable

(01:07:30):
with his.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
Jokes right now or could I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Let's think, because Bernie Mack is the most recent I know,
the internet was yeah, I know, and rip Bernie Mack.
So it's interesting now to even be bringing up with look, look.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
He's the goat.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Oh my gosh, let me see what she what she
actually said. She said, I love Bernie Mack, but some
of his jokes they made me uncomfortable. This comes after
people recently critiqued her on her takes on the Martin
Lawrence thing. The remark was part of a broader conversation

(01:08:06):
about certain jokes from past decades feel out of step
with modern sensibilities. And I guess we can get into
that too, because you know, for Lennox, it wasn't about
erasing his legacy at all, but just acknowledging that comedy
and culture does evolve. And she feels like a lot
of shit that he said back then not.

Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
It today with these microphones man in the phone. It's
just it's unfortunate that you could take like a segment
or a clip out of a whole conversation, and it erases,
like the h the purpose of the conversation, if that
makes sense right. For example, it takes out the context.
For example, like Michelle Obama when she was talking about ESPN, Yeah,

(01:08:50):
being housewives, and it wasn't really a shot at ESPN.
It was just like yo, like that's why they enjoyed
doing what they're doing. So the context is taken out
because you hit his one part. So what I will
say is I didn't hear the entire thing, but from
what you me just using my brain, from what it
sounds like, it sounded like it was a larger conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Well, this was her take following all of the outrage
by the way, she doubled down on her take with
Martin Lawrence and then she I think because the response
was it was comedy. He joked on everybody. She went
to another comedian where it's like, well and some offic
shit made me uncomfortable too, Like this isn't just a
jab at Martin and what it was on that show,
but as a whole comedy specifically from our black brothers

(01:09:30):
have led to black women being uncomfortable when technically there's
a lot for black women, specifically dark women to fight over.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Let's get into it, though. I think that space is
needed because that's how we get better.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
That space comedy, no'space, Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
The space for her to say that, because it's so
many other things that we can joke about, right, And yeah,
although that was a joke, then I don't think it
should be deleted, but we need the space for her
to say that so we can understand new comics. Comedians
can come and understand that. Bro, it's so many other
things to joke about. He's a real product that we
can fight, right. So I'm not I don't I don't
take away from the history, but it was sayings back

(01:10:05):
in the day where I used to hear old people saying,
if it's grass on the field, play ball, if she
old enough to cross the street.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
You know what I'm saying, he's a nasty, sad, very nasty.

Speaker 4 (01:10:14):
Yeah, and back then it was understood. But we need,
we need to have a conversation so that kids coming
up understand that that's not okay, and what we was
learning wasn't okay. So yeah, we've seen that back then,
and it was okay back then, but that same thought
process is going to get you locked up now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
So I'm not mad. He's Jay just said, you don't
have a choice to be selectively ignorant with this, like
if you know better, do better.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
Essentially, Yeah, yeah, I think, But I think also too
because it's a TV show, Like You're marrying comedy, which
is powerful and of itself, and then TV which is powerful,
and back then TV was super powerful because the Internet
wasn't and we didn't have like the strongest emphasis on
our daily conversation. So then like to see repeatedly, week
after week after week, the way that Martin joked against Pam,

(01:10:58):
which was her point. You know that she thought that
that was like a bad message, and that because Gina's
joke whose light sken was just she had a big head.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Yeah, but you had jump about her weave.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
You had the same jokes on Living Single, you had
like and for me the same way.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Not this this was like hammering it to one character
week by week by week.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
But they just want you know, they were doing they did.
They joked on each other. But the thing is the
thing is they joked on Martin's.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Ears and height aren't the same.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
They joked on each other color and and think about it,
which because they.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
Think of colors and his height, that's the same, Like
I hear you, I don't, but I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Think that and colorism I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
I say no, I say that because look what we
look at we're dealing with now, Like I'm not one
of them, but you got so many women out here
we'll talk about and men don't like that. No, No,
upset likes a whole done. Like people feel like people
really feel insensitive about those things, right, Like I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
Care, but they become they become insecure and secure exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
So like point also, yeah, so my point all I'm
saying is that again it goes back to the nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
I'm not I'm actually not mad at that. You're right.
This is her expressing where certain content maybe pushed her
to be more insecure with things because these are jokes
and I'm just supposed to not internalize these And so
you're right. I do like that your take on this
is that, because you know everyone's take is old, Ari,

(01:12:27):
get off the Internet. I thought I thought you were
done with social media, but you're right. I think that
everybody should be able to share when something has an
impact on them. And if she's saying in her childhood
those jokes on Pam made her feel more insecure about
the color of her skin, that should be a topic
within our community. I agree. I'm not mad with that top.

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
My thing is, I just think, like ve smoking it,
I'm trying to keep up with Mandy like crazy, I'm
like that. I just think, like, but that was you said,
that was our reality. That's what made it good because
we were home cracking jokes with our friends. I don't
mean the jokes was okay, but you gotta learn that.
So like, it's like both sides right, Like that was

(01:13:07):
our experience. They should be they should be They should
be able to televise our experience. So we make we
feel seen, we feel hurt, like, oh, this is us.
That's what makes it good. But at the same time,
we need the space for people like all right, because
then we can make it better because we could teach
people that this shouldn't go on, and then that could
change the outlook of the world moving forward. So maybe
we're not having these jokes at home, right, and now

(01:13:28):
what you're changing on TV is the reality of our
accents because our and the accents changed, So it's like
I agree with both sides almost like as a as
a show, you should be being relatable. That's what we
was doing. It don't make it okay. We're walking around
calling each other niggas. It don't make it okay. But
we gotta have some dialogue so it can be better.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
I'm not mad at that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
I'm mad as good. We need an applause button.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
Yeah, I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
I don't both sides connected. You're connected. You connected both
pieces to make a larger kind of puzzle.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Nah, I agree, and I think that that's that's I
guess the final word. Y'all know, we like to We
like to wrap it up and have our finals say now.
We talked and hit on so many points today. This
wasn't one of the episodes where we had one large
topic to talk about. But I do think that when
you hop in the comments, when you find yourself being

(01:14:16):
outraged on either a domestic violence incident, what about the
people within your family? How are you making a difference,
How are you stepping up? How are you showing up?
Have you sayed too long in a relationship? I'm a
lean into what he said earlier. Maybe there should be
a little bit more grace, but I think more importantly. No, no, no, no,
that was I said based on what Jay said. You know,
I don't like that whole grace, but I do want

(01:14:38):
to think too. And my final word would say, you
can lean into your ignorance and know that it's sometimes
selected right, or you could sit here and know that
there's power and unlearning.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
Shit.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
We as a culture, as a community, as a society,
have a lot of unlearning to do. From the Joe,
from the television, from the sitcoms, through the ways. We
could talk about us becoming more sensitive, or we could
just talk about us having the access to more knowledge.
And I think at the end of the day, we're
mad that we know more because now all we gotta

(01:15:13):
do is be like, now you gotta hold yourself accountable.
The problem is we know more, and so when you
show up as a fucked up person, when you show
up as an abuser, when you show up, is this
now the magnifying glass wants to hold you accountable? Where
back in the nineties eighties, Back then there wasn't that
much of a scope in a people's opinion to be

(01:15:33):
so broadly broadcasted. So at the end of the day,
we have some unlearning to do. We have some relearning,
and if you want to choose to be selectively ignorant,
that is on you. Jay. Where can everybody listen to
your podcast, tune in and support you?

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
She she did? You did your big one man. You
follow me everywhere even YouTube and a podcast. Just put
in mister Jay Hill, mister.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Jay Hill, and everything comes up, which is which I
want to say, is very very dope because J Hill
is a very common motherfucking name. If you put mister
J Hill, though, yo ass comes up. And I really
like that you tested the CEO s c O on
that one, because baby, I was like, I ain't gonna
be able to find out JA. I used to J Hill,

(01:16:19):
like what and it wasn't you. I'm like, there's a
lot of j Hills out there. There's a Jay Hill
on ESPN. Isn't there a J J Hill coach? I
was like, how the funk were gonna get It's kind
of what we deal with with Jason Lee. With John.
We have a friend named Jason Lee who works for
Bossip Nigga. Jason Lee shows up from Hollywood and mine

(01:16:40):
y'all with these names. Boy, y'all were these names? Anyways, y'all,
this has been another episode of Selective Ignorance. I'm your host,
Mandy B. And this is where curiosity lives, controversy thrives,
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