May 16, 2023 • 45 mins
If not for her wisdom and polished charm, you'd never believe that Sienna Miller has been working in Hollywood for two decades. The New York-born British actress, former model, and perennial tabloid fixture is not only conspicuously ageless, but she possesses an unflappability that, coupled with her improbable ambition, has assured her success in switching from film to television to stage. On this week’s episode of Table for Two, just in time for the Cannes Film Festival, the former juror shares a glass of rosé with Bruce Bozzi and discusses the lasting influences of Lucille Ball and Marilyn Monroe; acting for a good cause; the labels that have hobbled female actresses both past to present; and much more. Hear a preview of the episode below, and subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome back, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
This is Bruce Bosi and you're listening to Table for two.
While it's hard to resist La in the spring, I'm
about to visit the beautiful south of France for this
year's can Film Festival, which makes my guest today super
cool and appropriate because not only has she walked a
red carpet on the Promenade de la Passett, she's attended
the festival premiere of her own films and in twenty
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fifteen sat on the feature film jury.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
She's a serious movie star. Oh gorgeous woman. Hi. We
just met at an oscar party and it was no joke.
Love at first sight.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
She's a very talented actress, a climate advocate, and, as
she proves in extrapolations her latest show on Apple TV plus,
she's sometimes both things at once. What's more, she's an
incredibly fun lunch date.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Are you having a rose?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
God?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
How divine?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
So grab a rose and get comfortable because we're having
lunch with Sienna Miller. I'm Bruce Bosi and this is
my podcast Table for two.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
How's your morning, Ben?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
My morning has been eventful.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
I had to do like a climate summit chanel situation
at the.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Pendry Hotel around the corner.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
So then yeah, I had to do heir a makeup,
which is why you said I d nice, beautiful from.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Seven in the morning.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Look beautiful. Oh god, are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I love you? And we're having lunch every single day
and dinner.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Which means now we're going to be a couple.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yes, you know, it is on.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
So that was that, and then I had a meeting,
and then I I came here, and then I have
to go from here to James Corden and.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Then you get a busy day.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Do you feel like a pressure with being sort of
the voice of and sitting on the south I mean
it's a passion of yours.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
And you were an early climate you know, a guy. Yeah,
you know what I mean. You were a pioneer in
the way of like what's happening? How did that begin?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I like that I am a climate pioneer.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I got involved with an organization called Global Cool and
this must have been like, I don't know, two thousand
and nine, okay, And we went to India and we
actually got legislation changed in India which needed to sort
of to have some action in that department.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
But it was an interesting trip.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I got to meet with like all of the Indian
Bollywood movie stars okay, amateur batcham being like god right,
And it was successful and it was great, but it
was it was still kind of new. We we were
campaigning to get to be just low lower carbon basically,
and interesting statistics like if you turn your thermber sat
down two degrees, that will save a ton of carbon
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a year, just little things that people just don't know.
They don't but I am, by no means an expert
on the climate.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
You don't have to be an expert on climate.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You have to have an awareness and a passion because
the little thing of turning your thermostat down it's.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
An interesting thing to know, I mean, and not necessarily
a passion. But I think at this point it's important
to acknowledge that it is a reality, which of course
some people are in complete denial of. And it's great
to make a show about that because I feel like
any show set in the future that doesn't include a
radically different climate is science fiction.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So it's kind of that's so shack, I know.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
So making a story that is about connectivity and human
experience with the backdrop of a version of the future
that might hopefully be different, but is a potential.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Will connect people to what it actually is.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
More than a graph or a documentary, as impactful as
they can be, but you just are sort of left
feeling slightly like it's abstract to you. So I think
Scott z Burns, who created this, he's obviously been a
pioneer in that field of inconvenient truth and all of
that he made and contagion.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
The guy's a profit. I mean, he made that perfect truth.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I remember where I was when I saw that movie.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, I think that goes to the point is why
my hat's off to you, is my hats because you.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Have seven hats on today, ladies and gentlemen. You can't see.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Bruce because you know, this is like a recurring theme
when I have conversations with people, like the one person
makes a difference in the world, So like you are
making a difference. You're choosing work projects that reflect your beliefs,
that reflect your commitment to shaving the planet, changing the planet,
helping the planet, you know what I mean, all the
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things that we all should.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Be saving this planet one project at a time.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
You're going to be starring in a Marvel movie soon, know.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Everything going up.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
No, but it's actually a perfect confluence of circumstance that
the things that are socially or environmentally interesting of have
come to me because of course, I mean, it may
look that way, and I suppose I am drawn to
things that have something to say because I find the
medium of storytelling really powerful for me personally.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Actually Algore talking.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I went to a talk that he gave after watching
an Inconvenient Truth, and that was what galvanized my wanting
to get involved.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
So I think everybody really it.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Was the first time that that had been something that
we were even aware of. I mean, it was such
a shocking thing. And now I have a ten year
old who's at a progressive school and it's so part
of the curriculum, it's so part of her experience growing up.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
She's so aware of things.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
It's amazing, amazing because we were just like I was
at school in the nineties and you know, we were
just smoking, looking at rock bands.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I was, I'm a decade ahead, so the eighties this
was not discussed.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Then I saw, like you Inconvenient Truth and thought, oh wow.
And now all I say is this is what he said.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
The Monsoon's happening the well, as he said, there's going
to be weather patterns that we never saw in regions
of the world that we've never seen.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And it's truly.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
There and always was like it's coming, we can get
ahead of it. We're not ahead of it, and we're
not getting ahead of it.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
No, and it's time.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Like it's all very well, being hopeful and having faith
in people, and there is a way to greatly and
drastically impact the way that it goes.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
But like it's we're there, we're living it, and.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
We can slow it down exponentially, but it takes radical
change and a government obviously that believes that it is
a real thing, and people to be really conscious of
the fact that it's not about what your experience on
the planet is, but what is left for the others
that we bring into this world.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, So extrapolation is it's a massive cast with like
incredible people.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
How was it, What is it like to work with
all the people?
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Or well, I didn't actually because because everybody does different episodes.
So mine was one and two and then I popped
up in a later one which was a last minute decision,
but mine was predominantly with well, I'm just going to
drop a name here because why wouldn't you Meryl Street
who played my mother, So I am now going to
like Mike drop, leave you in the street. And I've
ticked everybody. I mean, I've looked into Meryl Streep's eyes
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and soul and we both cried, So where else can
I go from here? And Taharahim who is brilliant, and
Jel Paola, this gorgeous boy who played my son.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
But it was a small, intimate set and cast.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
But then of course, and we were the first two,
so they hadn't added the multitudes of incredible style power
that it ended up being. But I mean, so many
people are in this, which is which is fantastic, And
I think with the intention of being a part of
something that can narratively explain, you know, a potential, well
extrapolate on what the future might well.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I think like with all the stories, because it's all
about storytelling. It's all about it, you know, people feeling something.
These are like the projects to do, and they're scary
because at one point they were science fiction to us
and now they're not said so it's like okay, like
that's crazy. But you're like super busy because my mother's
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wedding which you shot working Johansson working titled We Love
Christin Scott Thomas directed and starred first movie that that's
a big deal. Yes, so, and we do love where.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
We Honestly, I went to make a movie and I
made a best friend. She's I know she's talked to
you on this show. I've known her for years. She's
one of the most spectacular women I've ever met in
my life.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Well, you know what she reminds me of you, because
you're both like down to earth, absolutely like focus, you
know who you are, both stunningly beautiful. That's you know,
inside and out. I'd say really as extremely incredible. You
also have The Anatomy of Scandal on Netflix. Yes, you
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live in New York.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I live in New York and you're moving to London.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I'm moving back to London in the summer.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
And we both agree that New York for children's a
little intense. Yeah, So, like, what's what's driving you back home?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Honestly, I after the pandemic, so many people that I
loved left the city and went back home. And I
think I was in New York for the pandemic and
being far away from my family was rough with no
opportunity to get back, and I think we all kind
of re evaluated our priorities, mind being to be close
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to the people that I know and have loved for many,
many years. I was so in love with New York,
like a lover, like I've since I was eighteen years old.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I would land and be like, oh, and it was,
it was an entity.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
It is.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
It's like a powerful place. But I just recently just
kind of fell out of love with it. I'll tell
you what happened.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
I have rented for years, as you do in New York,
and then you know, added up what I would have
been able to afford had I not been rented a
few years and whipping myself because it's just it's what
people do in New York. But it's and you know,
my poor kid has sort of moved from place to
place to place and it's nomadic and that's what it
is to be an actor. And she's very well adjusted
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and adaptable because of it. But I was like, no,
New York is home. We went back to London for
a year over the pandemic. She did school there. We
went back. We were like, no, we're going to live
in New York. So I bought a place in the
West Village and a week after moving in, I opened
the front door.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
This is not really lunchtime, chat to.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Take my daor to school, and there was a human
shit on my doorset and I just hoisted her over
the human shit and took her to the bars, and
it was, you.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Know, it was hysterical.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I also realized, like, the only person that can pick
this up and deal with it is me, because I
can't be that much of an assholes.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And you can never unfeel the weight of a human shit.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
And then, obviously I grew up in England where there
is a national Health Service, so people who are clearly
in need of help and medical attention can't get it there.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
That becomes increasingly sad.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
And then and then lockdown drills at school, you know,
and I grew up.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
With guns, and it's a total it's a real adjustment
to get to a place where if you even have
that intrusive thought for a split second, which you have
to if you live in America, it's reality.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
All of those things.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
And I was just like, oh, I got appendicitis in November,
and mercifully I had a friend saying, but if I didn't,
I didn't have anyone to be with my kid.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
And I suddenly realized I have no infrastructure.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
A dad was filming, and so yes, I just.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
I listed some real doomsdays.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
You know what. It's the truth.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I always say, like the conversations that my daughter is
listening to now, I'm like, this is heartbreaking, like like
these kids have to deal with major catastrophes or conversations
that we just didn't.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Fault to have those people. But it's the world.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
But it's their world.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I mean, I would say, really, post nine to eleven,
everything changed for them. Yes, Like where we were growing
up in the nineties or the eighties, it was like, yeah,
there was some real shit going on in the eighties
and stuff, but it was like where are.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
We going tonight? Yes, what party are we going to?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I don't go out anymore, So what's the point of
living in New York? I mean, I love the THEA
true and I love that, but I don't really. I also,
I sound like such a dinosaur because I kind of am.
I don't.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
I'm not on social media. I'm just I find that
I feel a bit like.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I get a bit quieter, right, I think the most
important thing you said to me is the support and
having family and raising a family and being with and
being able to know, because without that, I mean, what
is there?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, it really and we all kind of understood it
in a way.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
I was very happy to be off doing my own
things until a global pandemic when you're like, actually, it's
such a huge part of your DNA the people that
you know and love and are accessible, and it became insool.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
What did you love?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Because we can both step back into the other world,
because I think the world's changed.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
What did you love? In there?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I always say, like the eighties and the nineties. It's
like I say that you just didn't grow up? What
and you being you? You know this like incredible, beautiful,
like charismatic, like you you are a grabber of life.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
What did you love?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Blushing? I'm blushing. You can't see it.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Well.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
I was born in the eighties, So the eighties I
remember being very very little and walking down the King's
Road with my mum and seeing punks like I do
have memories of the eighties, but they're cloudy, right, But
I remember that being fantastic, right, because that was where
the punks hung out and so culturally that was that
was influential because it was exciting and vivid as a
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kid to remember like the fashion and the and then
the nineties I was, I was at school and I
was sort of watching it from afar that everybody in
England behaved apporningly in the nineties and it was absolutely acceptable.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I remember like sexy.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
It was sexy, and it was irreverent, and it was
funny and it was and no one was trying to
please anybody, and it was very honest and very authentic.
Like the Britain Awards in nineteen ninety six. I remember
watching it. Jervis Cocker like did something with Michael Jackson
and then the Gallaghers and Oasis were just outrageous and
people were just crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
And it was it looked so fun.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
I was, of course, like stuck in an all girls
boarding school wanting to be having fun.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
So I really emerged in the early two thousands.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I mean in the world, but don't you think, like
London always sort of sort of set the It's kind
of set a bar. It kind of was the influence
of the punk scene. Punk scene coming to the States,
rock and roll, trashion, it just and seemingly today it's
I think it was like the number one city to
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be in, like was it?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, from America it was.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
It was a wild It's weird when you think about
England as this tiny little island that has had well
through often appalling behavior, but big influence.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
In terms of music and fashion.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
And yeah, I think the whole world is sort of
one thing now in many ways because of the connectivity
of what social media has done.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
But I mean, were you acting then you why did
you start to You were modeling.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Then you were.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I was like the shortest model that ever lived, but
people liked me, so I sort of get booked on
jobs and not fit the closes all right, because I'd
be funny and let the other proper models, you know,
get out of their shells. But the kind of character photographers,
I know he isn't working anymore. But Bruce Webber was
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a huge part of my early career in that.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
I love Bruce Webber the most beautiful.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
And his sets were like there was an elephant I
used to do sort of. I did like the odd
commercial thing, like a Wrigley's advert and a German Coca
Cola advert, and I was like commercial, you know, it
was like not chic, but whatever. And then I met
Bruce and he just we just got along, and so
he cast me in an Abercrombie and Fitch thing and
then the Pirelli calendar, so I just knew an ice
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cream and I was in heaven. So that but that
wasn't a very long it was. It wasn't a very
long career because my goal was always to act. There
was so set on doing this as a career that
I was probably just way too extra. But I remember
we did Joseph at school and they I was Potiphar's helper.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
She's just like the ship as well.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
First of all, it's like not even in the script,
and second of all, like I just sat there at
pot of his feet with a with a palm leaf,
fanning Potiphar. And of course in my mind it was like,
you know, I constructed this whole backstory to the helper
and where you know he'd come from, and and.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Doing it very very seriously with this leaf. But I
was not seen. I was on to rated.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Okay, when would you say, so, now, what was like
the moment.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
That you thought you got cast and something that you
were like, oh, Okay, now I'm I'm in this game.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I'm in this game.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
My first film was layer Cake, which was a British
sort of gangster film.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Daniel Craig was the lead.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
And you know, I love Daniel gay bar.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
He loves a gay bar all over the place. It
was like a whole scandal. But we had the best
that was me, inquirer.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
We went out, Oh my God was in London and
I was taking care of Daniel, like okay. It was
a fantastic night. And the poor man will never live
it down. You know, I'm sorry, but I mean his
mother called not sorry, literally he said, my mother called
me and said, daniel't you have something you want to
tell me?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
And he was blame it on Bruce.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
The next podcast, Yeah, blame it on Bruce is the
next one. Come on everything that you've got everybody into
trouble for doing, because you can coax mischief out of
people takes one to.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
No one, Yes, it does. We have that thing. So okay,
So your first film was with Daniel Craig, and.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Then pretty much simultaneously I shot Alfie and Alfie felt
like a big thing.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
I mean, lak it was. Daniel wasn't Bond.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
He was a very respected actor, did a lot of theater,
and then there was an amazing cast of like British actors.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
That dude at the time me too. Jude Law was
a big old star at that point. That felt like
a big moment because Susan Sarandon was in it and.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
It was Charles Shire directed it, and it was a
studio and it was like an ordeal to get. I
sort of like met Matthew Vaughn and they offered me
the part. So I didn't really understand he'd been a producer.
It was the first movie he directed. It wasn't it
was exciting, but in retrospect it's very exciting.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Right paramount a studio.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
I was like, Wow, I'm into screen test and go
through all the rigmarole of getting apart. That was a
moment where I was like, I think I'm doing this,
but I didn't. I had total imposter syndrome.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
It's very normal.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
It's so boringly common amongst people in this industry.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Like you're on a movie set. I hadn't been on
a movie set.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I was there's a set and there's a crew and
they say action, which was just like it was also
new and it was on quite a large scale.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Welcome back to table for two, where we're having lunch
with incredible Sienna Miller. She's been in more than thirty films,
nominated for both a Bafka and a Golden Globe. But
Sianna started out as a model, No big surprise, And
I'm wondering, how did it feel to make that transition
into acting?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
How does it feel when they say especially then? I
mean I did one commercial. I did a couple of
commercials in my early years. Yeah, I was a horrible actor.
I tried for.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Seconds, did you for how long is a second? To
twenty years?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I just gave it up.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
And I remember that for it was a regional commercial
for Merwin's department store, and I didn't know what the
hell I was doing. And I was sitting there and
I was with this woman playing a young married couple
like gonna.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Have a pillow fight.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
But I just all of a sudden, they were like
and action though, oh my god, no, like I actually
actually now do something that all these like fifty people
were here to do their jobs are waiting for yeah
to do Like, I don't know how to do this,
So I mean, I'm much lesser scale. I think I
understand when you ask and you find yourself. How did
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that feel?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
It's like a klapperboard was like a novelty.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I was excited to see that, Like I had a
toy one at Hope.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
You know.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
It was just I was very, very green.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
When did you start to feel like, oh, I'm in
the room and I got it.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
No, I don't know that.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
I well, no, the first time that I actually was like, Okay,
maybe I do know what I'm because I didn't really know.
It's very technical making a film and I didn't understand,
you know. I remember my first ever seen in Alfie
was a steady camp shot and I didn't understand that
I had to get the whole tape right, that it
was an uneditable thing right right.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
So I was like, why are they why are we
doing this twenty time? Like what?
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Like that bit was good and that you know, I'd
sort of like read the book on how you can
edit a film, and it was a problem because it
was a dance move and it had to be perfect
from start to finish, and I just didn't really understand.
Then I did a movie called Factory Girl, which was
which was an amazing character Edie Sedgwick, Yeah, and I
remember working Guy Peers played Warhole and I was like,
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I'm just gonna jump into this because a like who
doesn't want to be d Sedgwick for you know, a
moment in their life and be what a world to explore?
And I've always been interested in people like and characters
and she was definitely both. So we lived in the
Chelsea Hotel and Guy was going all method and I
was like, I'm just gonna like get lost in this
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a little bit.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
And so we would only call each other Dy Andy.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
We'd have phone conversations like they used to do, and
we'd go out at night and it just kind of
consumed I think that both of us. Then we moved
to Shreveport, Louisiana, where we shot the movie, which was
not the same backdrop as New York.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
You know, but you know what, we made it work.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
And I and I kind of got quite alarmingly, not
not in the ways that Edie you know, derailed, but
I but I psychologically felt very much her and I
was like, maybe this is the right profession and maybe
I am able to do it. And being surprised by
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an emotional reaction that wasn't planned or constructed or you know,
just living something because it was fun and hanging out
with the people who used to be in the factory
and hearing those stories and like Bridget Berlin and all
of these crazy characters.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Being able to put yourself in someone else's shoes for
that and.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Like letting yourself go into it, which was it's quite
scary because then the movie ended and I was like,
I didn't know who I was. I just couldn't take
the pants and the tights off. I literally wore that
for the next eight weeks.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
It was just a bit like, Okay, there is there's
got to be a boundary here, otherwise you're just.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
A nut job.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
What is the most challenging thing about being a mom?
And what do you worry about? Because I always find
it like when I was a kid, I was all
over the place and never worrying, and I never I
don't think.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
My parents worried, no bow. But now I go, okay,
are there things.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
From your life that you pull from and just life
that you go okay?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
I think parenting is so influenced by the culture and
the moment, and there's like I say that is the
state of the world when you have kids. So, you know,
looking back to my childhood, which was wonderful and eccentric
and probably neglectful in a way that made me very
self sufficient. My generation of parents were very involved, and
we're very you know, it's very dead.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
There's your generation of parents were very involved.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
You're saying in my contemporary parents my parents. No, I
wasn't a baby monitor. I'm sure I was screaming in
the cop for hours, whatever happened. I'm able to handle
shit and kind of manage myself with you know, probably
a little broken child somewhere inside the very strong, but
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my child. I think what's hardest is I mean, you
get it wrong. No matter what you do, they fuck
you up. Your mom and dad.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
They don't mean to, but they do. Yes.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
But I I guess the navigation between the freedom she wants,
the it's it's it's just a constant dialogue of Look. Actually,
the hardest thing for me is trying to protect my
child from the influence of what is happening online in
the world and and what social media and phones have
done to our brains.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
And we grew up without.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Them, and you don't use it. You don't do it.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, but I creep occasionally.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
I mean I And the reason I don't do it
is because it's so absorbing. And how do you deal
with a young mind that is growing, that is being
you know, that their attention is being so sucked into
a world and COVID meant that they were all on screens.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
All the time.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
So to detox from that those two years of schooling
and the only way to communicate with friends, and you know,
I have an only child, so to try to kind
of protect her whilst understanding that that's probably where the
world is going to be anyway, and curate.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
A curious person.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
You know, we're in uncharted waters as to where this
is all going. I don't know what a job is
going to be when my daughter is eighteen, I don't
know what it's going to be.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
You know, university will look like if it's going to
be anything.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I want her to read books desperately. It's really hard
for kids to focus enough to do that. But I
know that if you have that, you will never be
lonely in life because.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
You and how did you become you know, because I'm
sure there's a strong influence on your daughter, because you
have to see your parent reading.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
How did you become a reader? And did you see
that in her?
Speaker 4 (26:46):
She loves she loves stories, she loves like making films.
She's sort of endlessly filming and editing things, which makes
me happy. But of course that involves the screen, not
you know, a VHS whatever it was when.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
We were right.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
I am re reading one hundred Years of Solitude because
I found it in a library of a place that
I was at and I loved it.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I just read The Young mongo.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Oh I've heard that's incredible and it's so sad but
incredible and not disman.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
It's a chuggy Maine.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yes? Which I just read.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
So that's my next up.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
But I don't don't back to back then if it's
that you need a little do some David Cidaris in
the in between, which.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I just obsessed. Has he had lunch with Bru?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Now he is not love David, and.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Maybe both of them would.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Be like a sibling lunch.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Thanks for joining us today on Table for two. Sienna
has been telling me all about her career and how
she's deliberately chosen weightier roles in recent years. But I'm
curious where does she draw her inspiration from. Who were
influences as far as a child a child or yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Who were in terms of reading or just life, just
in life.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
I mean obviously sort of like May West, and I
loved like Lucille Ball and I loved all of that,
and like Vaudeville kind of comedy in twenties films and
the Glamour of the Thirteen.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
And then Marin Monroe.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
I just thought it was just extraordinary and like such
a great actress. And then Vivian Lei and you know
Guilder and all of this, you know, those those movies.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
And I watched a lot of films. My mother took
us to the theater.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
A lot, so I was But but then as I
got older, I loved movies like True Romance and those
are like the Seminal when I was really influential in
reality bites.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
And right the nineties nineties, and.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
All the great characters of women were kind of raucous
and badly behaved, yes, because that was the only way
that you could get a great and the men were
sort of idealistic and perfect. And so I think I
probably like inherited some characteristics that are just a little
bit outrageous from admiring women who were portrayed like the
interesting people were up to no good.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
You know, one of the things. And I didn't realize this.
So you were in a movie and you played to
be Hedron. Yeah, and I watched it last weekend. Oh,
and you're amazing in it. And it's I mean, it
really is. It's a movie to see.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
The girl the girl.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
And the things that really kind of blew me away
were like when you were doing the scenes with you know,
when the character goes into the attic and his obsession
with to be Hedron and she's alive and she is
and I didn't quite ever know that he was that
kind of lecherous of a man.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Talented and you know, genius genius.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, and like all these sort of like it's complexity.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
How did it feel to portray her? You do it?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (30:11):
I mean I met I met her, and I heard
the stories and this was pre me too being a
conversation or times up being a conversation.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
It was still rampantly a part of our industry.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
But understanding the cruelty that went into and the lack
of control she had over her career, which by the way, would.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Have been stratisferic.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
I mean, she was headed for Between the Birds and Marnie,
but he kept her under contract and just watched her
get older and older in a time when you know.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Past forty or even thirty five, you were kind.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Of That's why that was her last movie.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
She was she was offered movies by Goddard and true
for everybody wanted to work with her, and he just
said no. But he didn't work with her himself, so
he just let her get older and older and older
till she become obsolete. So it's it's a tragedy, yes,
and devastating because she she just wouldn't comply and she
didn't have the kind of grace. Kelly kind of laughed off,
(31:05):
which which it does take. She's just she's stoic and
she's serious and she's you know, wonderful. But it was very,
very tortuous. There's actually an amazing play by John Logan
called Double Feature where and it's it's it's fiction, but
it's kind of not in terms of understanding what happened
between Tippy and Hitchcock. It's a very it's very worth reading,
(31:26):
but I mean it's difficult. It's so difficult to legislate
on any of this because when we're artists, well behaved people,
it's so complicated.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
They're awful.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
But is Hitchcock an absolute genius of cinema? Yes, yes,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I don't know where I kind of fall and any
of this. It's devastating to people.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Her career was destroyed by a completely lecherous, manipulative, horrible
man who made brilliant work.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
You know, it's a tough time.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Very interesting, and we find ourselves, like you said in
the post, the me too and post all that separating
our from the artists and the behavior and who and how,
and it's like a nightmare.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
It's a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
And that seemingly because that was really the first time
I'd kind of heard of it. Watching your movie was like, oh,
I didn't realize that because if this was you know now.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yes, his career is done. Yeah, and just how horrible.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yeah, you had no, she had no power, had no.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
And also they made you sign contracts with studios, so
she had signed this thing. Of course, because it was
her first film. She was plucked out of obscurity. She's
been in a commercial. You know, he'd seen her and
really molded her into being what he wanted her to be,
and she wouldn't participate in the rest of it. Not
that necessarily anybody else did either, but could manage it
in a way that she just wasn't able to. And he, yeah,
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absolutely destroyed her.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
And there was no advocate.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
It feels like there was no for someone like her
to say, hey, get me out of that contract and
let me start to work, you know, And there was
no listening or.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Studios and those contracts and you belong to the studio.
It's a very different world.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
You've been a real also advocate, And I had a
conversation recently with Sharen Stone, who was.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
A real advocate for it just equal pay.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Like you know, you've talked about job, a job that
you didn't get after you got it because you said, well,
he's making acts I should be making Why And basically
the answer was by have we made progress?
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Definitely, definitely in terms of being in terms of if
anything else, people's men's awareness of that problem and there
being a spotlight on it from the rest of the world.
In an industry where we're all paid stupid amounts of
money to have fun and be creative and so comparatively.
It's ridiculous to talk about it from the sort of
(33:51):
Hollywood perspective, but it was, as it is in every industry,
glaringly obvious that there is a huge disparity, not fairly so,
because women are relied heavily upon to market and sell
that you should be compensated for. If you're not as
big of a staff, fine, but you're going to be
really the person that is going to front that publicity
(34:11):
campaign exactly.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
I just had had a few experiences where I was
so grateful to be a part of something that then
went on to make exponential amounts of money of which
I really wasn't paid even, you know, and a hundredth
of somebody that I was acting opposite and relied heavily
upon to sell the thing. When a Super Bowl commercial
(34:35):
costs like quadruple what you were paid to make a
film where your name is above the title, it's kind
of hard to digest.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
And I think what was most difficult was that I
was just still so grateful for.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Of course those scraps occasionally, because I was so happy
to be there, because I'd honestly do it all for
free anyway, because I love it's what I love to do,
but trying to re educate the ability to self advocate.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
It's a lot of actives.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
I love it, and actually having to be quite bullish
to get myself to galvanize myself into a place where
I can say what I actually feel. And so uncomfortable
for me to be anything other than loving and kind
and grateful to everybody, because that's annoying my trus but
to try to say, like, actually I'm going to put
my foot down, it's really hard, but really important.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Otherwise you're a doormat.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
So I think in reflection, I'd seen multiple instances of
just being given something and accepting it and not even
being aware.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Of how unfair it was.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
And then with the movement of what started happening in
our world, kind of understanding that actually, maybe that's not
fair and speaking to other actresses who have been braver, right,
and yeah, and just about it's about fairness and it's
about there is a hugely kind of patriarchal element, like
people were happy for me, yes, who are of the
(35:56):
opposite sex, for what I was getting, and I'm so
proud of you for this, you deserve this, And it
was honestly like then I found out what they call it.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
But I think, you know, the reality is when the
executive level changes this landscape, when you have women like
Donnad Langley, who is like in this incredible like power
house at Universal who you know, you have women like
Amy Pascal, who's incredible, you know, you know, who've been
in the game now and have our true advocates for like,
(36:28):
oh okay, we're hiring, we're running running studios.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I sat with Sherry Lansing who and her time at
Paramount was wonderful, but she also was in that and no,
I think her film's just amazing, credible, just landed them.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
But it was the structure of the world, which nobody questioned.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Because it's the way structure right exactly.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Also being in an industry where where you're dealing with
us with something that's cost a huge amount of money,
which if it's what you know, I like to do
independent films, it doesn't apply to me. But but on
the occasionhere I have done your films are knowing what
they're spending on this, that and the other, and knowing
that you're an integral part of that story.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
It's more about.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Understanding actually what you're worth and that's not been an
easy thing to get to. But now I'm sort of
by throwing myself out of the plane. And initially I
have this great lawyer, Gretchen Rush, who has really helped
and my agents, but really helped re educate a negotiation
process which initially I had to go in and be like,
(37:28):
just think of yourself as a man, what would you
do if you were you know? And now I'm just like, actually, no,
I won't do it, and fuck.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
You well, you know. I hate for our lunch to
come to an end.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I mean, I really don't want Sienna to leave this table,
and if possible, I'd like to fly back to New
York with her, but she didn't invite me. I've loved
hearing about Sienna's life, her daughter Marlowe, and the diversity
of her roles on screen.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
But I'm super curious what's next for this lady. What
do you want the future to be for you in
regard to your war? I mean moving back home, which
I think is fantastic in your way from a.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Work standpoint, do you are there are parts that you've
wanted to play, anything that you would like to remake.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
I think you're doing something on the West End.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
No.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Oh, eventually, I'm going to be doing a play next summer.
I think I'm doing four movies that Kevin Costner has director.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Oh right, that.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
We've done one and a half for them, and then
we have like whatever, I can't do math now I've
had two plus fordy two and a half left. Okay,
does that make foul? Yes, thank you, I'm not my
air of remembering nights. And that's been incredible. He's an
absolute dream. And this is a project he's been writing
for twenty years and it's about fifteen years of how
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the West was one.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
So I've been in moab Utah.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Making these films in a corset and I mean just
extraordinary sort of dances with wolves without the dancing and
wolves but actually some dancing, but that period of history
that he really is the master of and the most fantastic,
elegant smart man. So I have that to do for
the rest of the year, and then this play I
(39:16):
think next summer, and maybe this other thing before and
maybe this other movie before, and.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
I've got lots for once.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
I've got lots lined up that I suppose what I'd
hope would change would be. There's this narrative that you're
stuck with often, and I'm very tired of being referred
to as underrated. It's sort of and I think I
started working in a moment where women were not respected and.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
I was the famous.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
I was going out with somebody very famous, and it
was very tabloid, and it was really painful and it
was really public, and.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
I just sort of got labeled.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
I got saddled with these labels that really never fit myself.
And therefore it was surprising when my work it became
serious and was able to be taken seriously. But this
oft underrated tag, I'm really ready to shed and just
But the best thing about being the age that I
know I am is that I truly I don't really.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Care about any of it. I don't need to be
the biggest movie, so.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
I don't need to be the I don't have like
a burning ambition. I love my job, I love my life,
I love.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
My friends, I love you, I love wine, And I
mean I don't really care enough to be focused singularly
or myopically on a career.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
I am frustrated. That would be my one frustration.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
I'm just understandable, and I think it's it's surprising if
I am good in something still and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
God realoring, Well, I mean you mean surprising from.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
A journalistic I feel within a room in our industry
at the weekend. I mean I feel like great friends.
We've all known each other for years at this point.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I get Also when you know, things happen in your life,
if at certain decades in your life and all of
a sudden they define you, and you're like, well, wait,
how did that define me?
Speaker 3 (41:04):
I wasn't really any of it.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah, this was not you know, and and you know,
and now we have so much twenty twenty in the
hindsight of everything that was going on in regard to
you know, you fall in love with who you fall
in love with, and then all of a sudden that
becomes something and that.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Sort of sort of defines you and you're like, what
the hell? And then everything that's sort of come up.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
And yesterday I had this is crazy and it's I
had this crazy thing pop up on my computer which
was about like you're being hacked.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
I believed, Oh did it say that you've been watching porn?
And I'm gonna fight?
Speaker 2 (41:38):
And I spoke to this man from India and he
was like, yes, I have you.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Know, you're on child. I was horrible.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
And then I started to talk to him and then
I was like okay, and then it starts a dawn
on me and I was like oh.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
So then I pushed back and go He's like, well,
and what are your bank? Like who do you bank with?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
But I didn't give anything specific, but it was very upsetting,
like you know, you're like, well, what And then I
started to say, well, who did you just speak to?
And so eventually he hung up. I was like, okay,
like there are people trying to like, oh, it's when
I called my bank and I told Sheila.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
She was like, this is Sheila.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
And so this just happens to me and he says
I'm watching this and doing that.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
You know you're not doing no.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
I'm like, she's like, you're being fished. And I was like,
oh my god.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
I love right.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Like Sheila was so real.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
She was I mean like a representative of like a
big bank, you know, And I was like, thanks, Sheila.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
I mean, my kid is in the car and my
kids listening to this.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
I'm like and by the way, those emails are horrific.
So I got one of others like, we know you've
been watching.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Porn and we have a video of you. Yeah, yeah,
and we're going to send it to your contact. And
I was just like, do it.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Right, true? Right? No.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I got one of those and I called it my
friend Andy Cohen and said is this true?
Speaker 3 (42:59):
And he was like I get all the time exactly.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
He's like absolutely not disregarded. And I was like, well,
this is great.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
I really get people.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Was like, yeah right, It's like it's very different than
me taking Daniel to a gay bar.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
And then I hits the National that was amazing and
I did see it.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
I want to congratulate you on extrapolations. I want to
congratulate you on all your projects. I got to say,
if you haven't seen Cianna Miller's movies, which I can't imagine.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
You guys seven people have for you and you are
like a joy and literally you it's this has been
a pleasure. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
I would have lunch with you every day.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
For joining on the table for two.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Just spilt it all over.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
That's okay, now, seriously, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
It's I adore you.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
From from the offset.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
I mean, yeah, thank you for pulling up a chair today,
Thank you for thank You, me.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
You, Sandwich Comer.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
All Right.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
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Welcome back, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
This is Bruce Bosi and you're listening to Table for two.
While it's hard to resist La in the spring, I'm
about to visit the beautiful south of France for this
year's can Film Festival, which makes my guest today super
cool and appropriate because not only has she walked a
red carpet on the Promenade de la Passett, she's attended
the festival premiere of her own films and in twenty
(00:29):
fifteen sat on the feature film jury.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
She's a serious movie star. Oh gorgeous woman. Hi. We
just met at an oscar party and it was no joke.
Love at first sight.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
She's a very talented actress, a climate advocate, and, as
she proves in extrapolations her latest show on Apple TV plus,
she's sometimes both things at once. What's more, she's an
incredibly fun lunch date.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Are you having a rose?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
God?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
How divine?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
So grab a rose and get comfortable because we're having
lunch with Sienna Miller. I'm Bruce Bosi and this is
my podcast Table for two.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
How's your morning, Ben?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
My morning has been eventful.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
I had to do like a climate summit chanel situation
at the.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Pendry Hotel around the corner.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
So then yeah, I had to do heir a makeup,
which is why you said I d nice, beautiful from.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Seven in the morning.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Look beautiful. Oh god, are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I love you? And we're having lunch every single day
and dinner.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Which means now we're going to be a couple.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yes, you know, it is on.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
So that was that, and then I had a meeting,
and then I I came here, and then I have
to go from here to James Corden and.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Then you get a busy day.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Do you feel like a pressure with being sort of
the voice of and sitting on the south I mean
it's a passion of yours.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
And you were an early climate you know, a guy. Yeah,
you know what I mean. You were a pioneer in
the way of like what's happening? How did that begin?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I like that I am a climate pioneer.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I got involved with an organization called Global Cool and
this must have been like, I don't know, two thousand
and nine, okay, And we went to India and we
actually got legislation changed in India which needed to sort
of to have some action in that department.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
But it was an interesting trip.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I got to meet with like all of the Indian
Bollywood movie stars okay, amateur batcham being like god right,
And it was successful and it was great, but it
was it was still kind of new. We we were
campaigning to get to be just low lower carbon basically,
and interesting statistics like if you turn your thermber sat
down two degrees, that will save a ton of carbon
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a year, just little things that people just don't know.
They don't but I am, by no means an expert
on the climate.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
You don't have to be an expert on climate.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You have to have an awareness and a passion because
the little thing of turning your thermostat down it's.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
An interesting thing to know, I mean, and not necessarily
a passion. But I think at this point it's important
to acknowledge that it is a reality, which of course
some people are in complete denial of. And it's great
to make a show about that because I feel like
any show set in the future that doesn't include a
radically different climate is science fiction.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So it's kind of that's so shack, I know.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
So making a story that is about connectivity and human
experience with the backdrop of a version of the future
that might hopefully be different, but is a potential.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Will connect people to what it actually is.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
More than a graph or a documentary, as impactful as
they can be, but you just are sort of left
feeling slightly like it's abstract to you. So I think
Scott z Burns, who created this, he's obviously been a
pioneer in that field of inconvenient truth and all of
that he made and contagion.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
The guy's a profit. I mean, he made that perfect truth.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I remember where I was when I saw that movie.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, I think that goes to the point is why
my hat's off to you, is my hats because you.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Have seven hats on today, ladies and gentlemen. You can't see.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Bruce because you know, this is like a recurring theme
when I have conversations with people, like the one person
makes a difference in the world, So like you are
making a difference. You're choosing work projects that reflect your beliefs,
that reflect your commitment to shaving the planet, changing the planet,
helping the planet, you know what I mean, all the
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things that we all should.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Be saving this planet one project at a time.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
You're going to be starring in a Marvel movie soon, know.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Everything going up.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
No, but it's actually a perfect confluence of circumstance that
the things that are socially or environmentally interesting of have
come to me because of course, I mean, it may
look that way, and I suppose I am drawn to
things that have something to say because I find the
medium of storytelling really powerful for me personally.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Actually Algore talking.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I went to a talk that he gave after watching
an Inconvenient Truth, and that was what galvanized my wanting
to get involved.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
So I think everybody really it.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Was the first time that that had been something that
we were even aware of. I mean, it was such
a shocking thing. And now I have a ten year
old who's at a progressive school and it's so part
of the curriculum, it's so part of her experience growing up.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
She's so aware of things.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
It's amazing, amazing because we were just like I was
at school in the nineties and you know, we were
just smoking, looking at rock bands.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I was, I'm a decade ahead, so the eighties this
was not discussed.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Then I saw, like you Inconvenient Truth and thought, oh wow.
And now all I say is this is what he said.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
The Monsoon's happening the well, as he said, there's going
to be weather patterns that we never saw in regions
of the world that we've never seen.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And it's truly.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
There and always was like it's coming, we can get
ahead of it. We're not ahead of it, and we're
not getting ahead of it.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
No, and it's time.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Like it's all very well, being hopeful and having faith
in people, and there is a way to greatly and
drastically impact the way that it goes.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
But like it's we're there, we're living it, and.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
We can slow it down exponentially, but it takes radical
change and a government obviously that believes that it is
a real thing, and people to be really conscious of
the fact that it's not about what your experience on
the planet is, but what is left for the others
that we bring into this world.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, So extrapolation is it's a massive cast with like
incredible people.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
How was it, What is it like to work with
all the people?
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Or well, I didn't actually because because everybody does different episodes.
So mine was one and two and then I popped
up in a later one which was a last minute decision,
but mine was predominantly with well, I'm just going to
drop a name here because why wouldn't you Meryl Street
who played my mother, So I am now going to
like Mike drop, leave you in the street. And I've
ticked everybody. I mean, I've looked into Meryl Streep's eyes
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and soul and we both cried, So where else can
I go from here? And Taharahim who is brilliant, and
Jel Paola, this gorgeous boy who played my son.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
But it was a small, intimate set and cast.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
But then of course, and we were the first two,
so they hadn't added the multitudes of incredible style power
that it ended up being. But I mean, so many
people are in this, which is which is fantastic, And
I think with the intention of being a part of
something that can narratively explain, you know, a potential, well
extrapolate on what the future might well.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I think like with all the stories, because it's all
about storytelling. It's all about it, you know, people feeling something.
These are like the projects to do, and they're scary
because at one point they were science fiction to us
and now they're not said so it's like okay, like
that's crazy. But you're like super busy because my mother's
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wedding which you shot working Johansson working titled We Love
Christin Scott Thomas directed and starred first movie that that's
a big deal. Yes, so, and we do love where.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
We Honestly, I went to make a movie and I
made a best friend. She's I know she's talked to
you on this show. I've known her for years. She's
one of the most spectacular women I've ever met in
my life.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Well, you know what she reminds me of you, because
you're both like down to earth, absolutely like focus, you
know who you are, both stunningly beautiful. That's you know,
inside and out. I'd say really as extremely incredible. You
also have The Anatomy of Scandal on Netflix. Yes, you
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live in New York.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I live in New York and you're moving to London.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I'm moving back to London in the summer.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
And we both agree that New York for children's a
little intense. Yeah, So, like, what's what's driving you back home?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Honestly, I after the pandemic, so many people that I
loved left the city and went back home. And I
think I was in New York for the pandemic and
being far away from my family was rough with no
opportunity to get back, and I think we all kind
of re evaluated our priorities, mind being to be close
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to the people that I know and have loved for many,
many years. I was so in love with New York,
like a lover, like I've since I was eighteen years old.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I would land and be like, oh, and it was,
it was an entity.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
It is.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
It's like a powerful place. But I just recently just
kind of fell out of love with it. I'll tell
you what happened.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
I have rented for years, as you do in New York,
and then you know, added up what I would have
been able to afford had I not been rented a
few years and whipping myself because it's just it's what
people do in New York. But it's and you know,
my poor kid has sort of moved from place to
place to place and it's nomadic and that's what it
is to be an actor. And she's very well adjusted
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and adaptable because of it. But I was like, no,
New York is home. We went back to London for
a year over the pandemic. She did school there. We
went back. We were like, no, we're going to live
in New York. So I bought a place in the
West Village and a week after moving in, I opened
the front door.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
This is not really lunchtime, chat to.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Take my daor to school, and there was a human
shit on my doorset and I just hoisted her over
the human shit and took her to the bars, and
it was, you.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Know, it was hysterical.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I also realized, like, the only person that can pick
this up and deal with it is me, because I
can't be that much of an assholes.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And you can never unfeel the weight of a human shit.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
And then, obviously I grew up in England where there
is a national Health Service, so people who are clearly
in need of help and medical attention can't get it there.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
That becomes increasingly sad.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
And then and then lockdown drills at school, you know,
and I grew up.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
With guns, and it's a total it's a real adjustment
to get to a place where if you even have
that intrusive thought for a split second, which you have
to if you live in America, it's reality.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
All of those things.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
And I was just like, oh, I got appendicitis in November,
and mercifully I had a friend saying, but if I didn't,
I didn't have anyone to be with my kid.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
And I suddenly realized I have no infrastructure.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
A dad was filming, and so yes, I just.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
I listed some real doomsdays.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
You know what. It's the truth.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I always say, like the conversations that my daughter is
listening to now, I'm like, this is heartbreaking, like like
these kids have to deal with major catastrophes or conversations
that we just didn't.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Fault to have those people. But it's the world.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
But it's their world.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I mean, I would say, really, post nine to eleven,
everything changed for them. Yes, Like where we were growing
up in the nineties or the eighties, it was like, yeah,
there was some real shit going on in the eighties
and stuff, but it was like where are.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
We going tonight? Yes, what party are we going to?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I don't go out anymore, So what's the point of
living in New York? I mean, I love the THEA
true and I love that, but I don't really. I also,
I sound like such a dinosaur because I kind of am.
I don't.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
I'm not on social media. I'm just I find that
I feel a bit like.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I get a bit quieter, right, I think the most
important thing you said to me is the support and
having family and raising a family and being with and
being able to know, because without that, I mean, what
is there?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, it really and we all kind of understood it
in a way.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
I was very happy to be off doing my own
things until a global pandemic when you're like, actually, it's
such a huge part of your DNA the people that
you know and love and are accessible, and it became insool.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
What did you love?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Because we can both step back into the other world,
because I think the world's changed.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
What did you love? In there?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I always say, like the eighties and the nineties. It's
like I say that you just didn't grow up? What
and you being you? You know this like incredible, beautiful,
like charismatic, like you you are a grabber of life.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
What did you love?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Blushing? I'm blushing. You can't see it.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Well.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
I was born in the eighties, So the eighties I
remember being very very little and walking down the King's
Road with my mum and seeing punks like I do
have memories of the eighties, but they're cloudy, right, But
I remember that being fantastic, right, because that was where
the punks hung out and so culturally that was that
was influential because it was exciting and vivid as a
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kid to remember like the fashion and the and then
the nineties I was, I was at school and I
was sort of watching it from afar that everybody in
England behaved apporningly in the nineties and it was absolutely acceptable.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I remember like sexy.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
It was sexy, and it was irreverent, and it was
funny and it was and no one was trying to
please anybody, and it was very honest and very authentic.
Like the Britain Awards in nineteen ninety six. I remember
watching it. Jervis Cocker like did something with Michael Jackson
and then the Gallaghers and Oasis were just outrageous and
people were just crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
And it was it looked so fun.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
I was, of course, like stuck in an all girls
boarding school wanting to be having fun.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
So I really emerged in the early two thousands.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I mean in the world, but don't you think, like
London always sort of sort of set the It's kind
of set a bar. It kind of was the influence
of the punk scene. Punk scene coming to the States,
rock and roll, trashion, it just and seemingly today it's
I think it was like the number one city to
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be in, like was it?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, from America it was.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
It was a wild It's weird when you think about
England as this tiny little island that has had well
through often appalling behavior, but big influence.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
In terms of music and fashion.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
And yeah, I think the whole world is sort of
one thing now in many ways because of the connectivity
of what social media has done.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
But I mean, were you acting then you why did
you start to You were modeling.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Then you were.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I was like the shortest model that ever lived, but
people liked me, so I sort of get booked on
jobs and not fit the closes all right, because I'd
be funny and let the other proper models, you know,
get out of their shells. But the kind of character photographers,
I know he isn't working anymore. But Bruce Webber was
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a huge part of my early career in that.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
I love Bruce Webber the most beautiful.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
And his sets were like there was an elephant I
used to do sort of. I did like the odd
commercial thing, like a Wrigley's advert and a German Coca
Cola advert, and I was like commercial, you know, it
was like not chic, but whatever. And then I met
Bruce and he just we just got along, and so
he cast me in an Abercrombie and Fitch thing and
then the Pirelli calendar, so I just knew an ice
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cream and I was in heaven. So that but that
wasn't a very long it was. It wasn't a very
long career because my goal was always to act. There
was so set on doing this as a career that
I was probably just way too extra. But I remember
we did Joseph at school and they I was Potiphar's helper.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
She's just like the ship as well.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
First of all, it's like not even in the script,
and second of all, like I just sat there at
pot of his feet with a with a palm leaf,
fanning Potiphar. And of course in my mind it was like,
you know, I constructed this whole backstory to the helper
and where you know he'd come from, and and.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Doing it very very seriously with this leaf. But I
was not seen. I was on to rated.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Okay, when would you say, so, now, what was like
the moment.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
That you thought you got cast and something that you
were like, oh, Okay, now I'm I'm in this game.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I'm in this game.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
My first film was layer Cake, which was a British
sort of gangster film.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Daniel Craig was the lead.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
And you know, I love Daniel gay bar.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
He loves a gay bar all over the place. It
was like a whole scandal. But we had the best
that was me, inquirer.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
We went out, Oh my God was in London and
I was taking care of Daniel, like okay. It was
a fantastic night. And the poor man will never live
it down. You know, I'm sorry, but I mean his
mother called not sorry, literally he said, my mother called
me and said, daniel't you have something you want to
tell me?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
And he was blame it on Bruce.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
The next podcast, Yeah, blame it on Bruce is the
next one. Come on everything that you've got everybody into
trouble for doing, because you can coax mischief out of
people takes one to.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
No one, Yes, it does. We have that thing. So okay,
So your first film was with Daniel Craig, and.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Then pretty much simultaneously I shot Alfie and Alfie felt
like a big thing.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
I mean, lak it was. Daniel wasn't Bond.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
He was a very respected actor, did a lot of theater,
and then there was an amazing cast of like British actors.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
That dude at the time me too. Jude Law was
a big old star at that point. That felt like
a big moment because Susan Sarandon was in it and.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
It was Charles Shire directed it, and it was a
studio and it was like an ordeal to get. I
sort of like met Matthew Vaughn and they offered me
the part. So I didn't really understand he'd been a producer.
It was the first movie he directed. It wasn't it
was exciting, but in retrospect it's very exciting.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Right paramount a studio.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
I was like, Wow, I'm into screen test and go
through all the rigmarole of getting apart. That was a
moment where I was like, I think I'm doing this,
but I didn't. I had total imposter syndrome.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
It's very normal.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
It's so boringly common amongst people in this industry.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Like you're on a movie set. I hadn't been on
a movie set.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I was there's a set and there's a crew and
they say action, which was just like it was also
new and it was on quite a large scale.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Welcome back to table for two, where we're having lunch
with incredible Sienna Miller. She's been in more than thirty films,
nominated for both a Bafka and a Golden Globe. But
Sianna started out as a model, No big surprise, And
I'm wondering, how did it feel to make that transition
into acting?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
How does it feel when they say especially then? I
mean I did one commercial. I did a couple of
commercials in my early years. Yeah, I was a horrible actor.
I tried for.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Seconds, did you for how long is a second? To
twenty years?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I just gave it up.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
And I remember that for it was a regional commercial
for Merwin's department store, and I didn't know what the
hell I was doing. And I was sitting there and
I was with this woman playing a young married couple
like gonna.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Have a pillow fight.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
But I just all of a sudden, they were like
and action though, oh my god, no, like I actually
actually now do something that all these like fifty people
were here to do their jobs are waiting for yeah
to do Like, I don't know how to do this,
So I mean, I'm much lesser scale. I think I
understand when you ask and you find yourself. How did
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that feel?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
It's like a klapperboard was like a novelty.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I was excited to see that, Like I had a
toy one at Hope.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
You know.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
It was just I was very, very green.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
When did you start to feel like, oh, I'm in
the room and I got it.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
No, I don't know that.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
I well, no, the first time that I actually was like, Okay,
maybe I do know what I'm because I didn't really know.
It's very technical making a film and I didn't understand,
you know. I remember my first ever seen in Alfie
was a steady camp shot and I didn't understand that
I had to get the whole tape right, that it
was an uneditable thing right right.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
So I was like, why are they why are we
doing this twenty time? Like what?
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Like that bit was good and that you know, I'd
sort of like read the book on how you can
edit a film, and it was a problem because it
was a dance move and it had to be perfect
from start to finish, and I just didn't really understand.
Then I did a movie called Factory Girl, which was
which was an amazing character Edie Sedgwick, Yeah, and I
remember working Guy Peers played Warhole and I was like,
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I'm just gonna jump into this because a like who
doesn't want to be d Sedgwick for you know, a
moment in their life and be what a world to explore?
And I've always been interested in people like and characters
and she was definitely both. So we lived in the
Chelsea Hotel and Guy was going all method and I
was like, I'm just gonna like get lost in this
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a little bit.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
And so we would only call each other Dy Andy.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
We'd have phone conversations like they used to do, and
we'd go out at night and it just kind of
consumed I think that both of us. Then we moved
to Shreveport, Louisiana, where we shot the movie, which was
not the same backdrop as New York.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
You know, but you know what, we made it work.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
And I and I kind of got quite alarmingly, not
not in the ways that Edie you know, derailed, but
I but I psychologically felt very much her and I
was like, maybe this is the right profession and maybe
I am able to do it. And being surprised by
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an emotional reaction that wasn't planned or constructed or you know,
just living something because it was fun and hanging out
with the people who used to be in the factory
and hearing those stories and like Bridget Berlin and all
of these crazy characters.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Being able to put yourself in someone else's shoes for
that and.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Like letting yourself go into it, which was it's quite
scary because then the movie ended and I was like,
I didn't know who I was. I just couldn't take
the pants and the tights off. I literally wore that
for the next eight weeks.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
It was just a bit like, Okay, there is there's
got to be a boundary here, otherwise you're just.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
A nut job.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
What is the most challenging thing about being a mom?
And what do you worry about? Because I always find
it like when I was a kid, I was all
over the place and never worrying, and I never I
don't think.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
My parents worried, no bow. But now I go, okay,
are there things.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
From your life that you pull from and just life
that you go okay?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
I think parenting is so influenced by the culture and
the moment, and there's like I say that is the
state of the world when you have kids. So, you know,
looking back to my childhood, which was wonderful and eccentric
and probably neglectful in a way that made me very
self sufficient. My generation of parents were very involved, and
we're very you know, it's very dead.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
There's your generation of parents were very involved.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
You're saying in my contemporary parents my parents. No, I
wasn't a baby monitor. I'm sure I was screaming in
the cop for hours, whatever happened. I'm able to handle
shit and kind of manage myself with you know, probably
a little broken child somewhere inside the very strong, but
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my child. I think what's hardest is I mean, you
get it wrong. No matter what you do, they fuck
you up. Your mom and dad.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
They don't mean to, but they do. Yes.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
But I I guess the navigation between the freedom she wants,
the it's it's it's just a constant dialogue of Look. Actually,
the hardest thing for me is trying to protect my
child from the influence of what is happening online in
the world and and what social media and phones have
done to our brains.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
And we grew up without.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Them, and you don't use it. You don't do it.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, but I creep occasionally.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
I mean I And the reason I don't do it
is because it's so absorbing. And how do you deal
with a young mind that is growing, that is being
you know, that their attention is being so sucked into
a world and COVID meant that they were all on screens.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
All the time.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
So to detox from that those two years of schooling
and the only way to communicate with friends, and you know,
I have an only child, so to try to kind
of protect her whilst understanding that that's probably where the
world is going to be anyway, and curate.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
A curious person.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
You know, we're in uncharted waters as to where this
is all going. I don't know what a job is
going to be when my daughter is eighteen, I don't
know what it's going to be.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
You know, university will look like if it's going to
be anything.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I want her to read books desperately. It's really hard
for kids to focus enough to do that. But I
know that if you have that, you will never be
lonely in life because.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
You and how did you become you know, because I'm
sure there's a strong influence on your daughter, because you
have to see your parent reading.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
How did you become a reader? And did you see
that in her?
Speaker 4 (26:46):
She loves she loves stories, she loves like making films.
She's sort of endlessly filming and editing things, which makes
me happy. But of course that involves the screen, not
you know, a VHS whatever it was when.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
We were right.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
I am re reading one hundred Years of Solitude because
I found it in a library of a place that
I was at and I loved it.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I just read The Young mongo.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Oh I've heard that's incredible and it's so sad but
incredible and not disman.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
It's a chuggy Maine.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yes? Which I just read.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
So that's my next up.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
But I don't don't back to back then if it's
that you need a little do some David Cidaris in
the in between, which.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I just obsessed. Has he had lunch with Bru?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Now he is not love David, and.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Maybe both of them would.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Be like a sibling lunch.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Thanks for joining us today on Table for two. Sienna
has been telling me all about her career and how
she's deliberately chosen weightier roles in recent years. But I'm
curious where does she draw her inspiration from. Who were
influences as far as a child a child or yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Who were in terms of reading or just life, just
in life.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
I mean obviously sort of like May West, and I
loved like Lucille Ball and I loved all of that,
and like Vaudeville kind of comedy in twenties films and
the Glamour of the Thirteen.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
And then Marin Monroe.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
I just thought it was just extraordinary and like such
a great actress. And then Vivian Lei and you know
Guilder and all of this, you know, those those movies.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
And I watched a lot of films. My mother took
us to the theater.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
A lot, so I was But but then as I
got older, I loved movies like True Romance and those
are like the Seminal when I was really influential in
reality bites.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
And right the nineties nineties, and.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
All the great characters of women were kind of raucous
and badly behaved, yes, because that was the only way
that you could get a great and the men were
sort of idealistic and perfect. And so I think I
probably like inherited some characteristics that are just a little
bit outrageous from admiring women who were portrayed like the
interesting people were up to no good.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
You know, one of the things. And I didn't realize this.
So you were in a movie and you played to
be Hedron. Yeah, and I watched it last weekend. Oh,
and you're amazing in it. And it's I mean, it
really is. It's a movie to see.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
The girl the girl.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
And the things that really kind of blew me away
were like when you were doing the scenes with you know,
when the character goes into the attic and his obsession
with to be Hedron and she's alive and she is
and I didn't quite ever know that he was that
kind of lecherous of a man.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Talented and you know, genius genius.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, and like all these sort of like it's complexity.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
How did it feel to portray her? You do it?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (30:11):
I mean I met I met her, and I heard
the stories and this was pre me too being a
conversation or times up being a conversation.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
It was still rampantly a part of our industry.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
But understanding the cruelty that went into and the lack
of control she had over her career, which by the way, would.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Have been stratisferic.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
I mean, she was headed for Between the Birds and Marnie,
but he kept her under contract and just watched her
get older and older in a time when you know.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Past forty or even thirty five, you were kind.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Of That's why that was her last movie.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
She was she was offered movies by Goddard and true
for everybody wanted to work with her, and he just
said no. But he didn't work with her himself, so
he just let her get older and older and older
till she become obsolete. So it's it's a tragedy, yes,
and devastating because she she just wouldn't comply and she
didn't have the kind of grace. Kelly kind of laughed off,
(31:05):
which which it does take. She's just she's stoic and
she's serious and she's you know, wonderful. But it was very,
very tortuous. There's actually an amazing play by John Logan
called Double Feature where and it's it's it's fiction, but
it's kind of not in terms of understanding what happened
between Tippy and Hitchcock. It's a very it's very worth reading,
(31:26):
but I mean it's difficult. It's so difficult to legislate
on any of this because when we're artists, well behaved people,
it's so complicated.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
They're awful.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
But is Hitchcock an absolute genius of cinema? Yes, yes,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I don't know where I kind of fall and any
of this. It's devastating to people.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Her career was destroyed by a completely lecherous, manipulative, horrible
man who made brilliant work.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
You know, it's a tough time.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Very interesting, and we find ourselves, like you said in
the post, the me too and post all that separating
our from the artists and the behavior and who and how,
and it's like a nightmare.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
It's a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
And that seemingly because that was really the first time
I'd kind of heard of it. Watching your movie was like, oh,
I didn't realize that because if this was you know now.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yes, his career is done. Yeah, and just how horrible.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yeah, you had no, she had no power, had no.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
And also they made you sign contracts with studios, so
she had signed this thing. Of course, because it was
her first film. She was plucked out of obscurity. She's
been in a commercial. You know, he'd seen her and
really molded her into being what he wanted her to be,
and she wouldn't participate in the rest of it. Not
that necessarily anybody else did either, but could manage it
in a way that she just wasn't able to. And he, yeah,
(32:48):
absolutely destroyed her.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
And there was no advocate.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
It feels like there was no for someone like her
to say, hey, get me out of that contract and
let me start to work, you know, And there was
no listening or.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Studios and those contracts and you belong to the studio.
It's a very different world.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
You've been a real also advocate, And I had a
conversation recently with Sharen Stone, who was.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
A real advocate for it just equal pay.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Like you know, you've talked about job, a job that
you didn't get after you got it because you said, well,
he's making acts I should be making Why And basically
the answer was by have we made progress?
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Definitely, definitely in terms of being in terms of if
anything else, people's men's awareness of that problem and there
being a spotlight on it from the rest of the world.
In an industry where we're all paid stupid amounts of
money to have fun and be creative and so comparatively.
It's ridiculous to talk about it from the sort of
(33:51):
Hollywood perspective, but it was, as it is in every industry,
glaringly obvious that there is a huge disparity, not fairly so,
because women are relied heavily upon to market and sell
that you should be compensated for. If you're not as
big of a staff, fine, but you're going to be
really the person that is going to front that publicity
(34:11):
campaign exactly.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
I just had had a few experiences where I was
so grateful to be a part of something that then
went on to make exponential amounts of money of which
I really wasn't paid even, you know, and a hundredth
of somebody that I was acting opposite and relied heavily
upon to sell the thing. When a Super Bowl commercial
(34:35):
costs like quadruple what you were paid to make a
film where your name is above the title, it's kind
of hard to digest.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
And I think what was most difficult was that I
was just still so grateful for.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Of course those scraps occasionally, because I was so happy
to be there, because I'd honestly do it all for
free anyway, because I love it's what I love to do,
but trying to re educate the ability to self advocate.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
It's a lot of actives.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
I love it, and actually having to be quite bullish
to get myself to galvanize myself into a place where
I can say what I actually feel. And so uncomfortable
for me to be anything other than loving and kind
and grateful to everybody, because that's annoying my trus but
to try to say, like, actually I'm going to put
my foot down, it's really hard, but really important.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Otherwise you're a doormat.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
So I think in reflection, I'd seen multiple instances of
just being given something and accepting it and not even
being aware.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Of how unfair it was.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
And then with the movement of what started happening in
our world, kind of understanding that actually, maybe that's not
fair and speaking to other actresses who have been braver, right,
and yeah, and just about it's about fairness and it's
about there is a hugely kind of patriarchal element, like
people were happy for me, yes, who are of the
(35:56):
opposite sex, for what I was getting, and I'm so
proud of you for this, you deserve this, And it
was honestly like then I found out what they call it.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
But I think, you know, the reality is when the
executive level changes this landscape, when you have women like
Donnad Langley, who is like in this incredible like power
house at Universal who you know, you have women like
Amy Pascal, who's incredible, you know, you know, who've been
in the game now and have our true advocates for like,
(36:28):
oh okay, we're hiring, we're running running studios.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I sat with Sherry Lansing who and her time at
Paramount was wonderful, but she also was in that and no,
I think her film's just amazing, credible, just landed them.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
But it was the structure of the world, which nobody questioned.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Because it's the way structure right exactly.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Also being in an industry where where you're dealing with
us with something that's cost a huge amount of money,
which if it's what you know, I like to do
independent films, it doesn't apply to me. But but on
the occasionhere I have done your films are knowing what
they're spending on this, that and the other, and knowing
that you're an integral part of that story.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
It's more about.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Understanding actually what you're worth and that's not been an
easy thing to get to. But now I'm sort of
by throwing myself out of the plane. And initially I
have this great lawyer, Gretchen Rush, who has really helped
and my agents, but really helped re educate a negotiation
process which initially I had to go in and be like,
(37:28):
just think of yourself as a man, what would you
do if you were you know? And now I'm just like, actually, no,
I won't do it, and fuck.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
You well, you know. I hate for our lunch to
come to an end.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I mean, I really don't want Sienna to leave this table,
and if possible, I'd like to fly back to New
York with her, but she didn't invite me. I've loved
hearing about Sienna's life, her daughter Marlowe, and the diversity
of her roles on screen.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
But I'm super curious what's next for this lady. What
do you want the future to be for you in
regard to your war? I mean moving back home, which
I think is fantastic in your way from a.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Work standpoint, do you are there are parts that you've
wanted to play, anything that you would like to remake.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
I think you're doing something on the West End.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
No.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Oh, eventually, I'm going to be doing a play next summer.
I think I'm doing four movies that Kevin Costner has director.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Oh right, that.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
We've done one and a half for them, and then
we have like whatever, I can't do math now I've
had two plus fordy two and a half left. Okay,
does that make foul? Yes, thank you, I'm not my
air of remembering nights. And that's been incredible. He's an
absolute dream. And this is a project he's been writing
for twenty years and it's about fifteen years of how
(38:52):
the West was one.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
So I've been in moab Utah.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Making these films in a corset and I mean just
extraordinary sort of dances with wolves without the dancing and
wolves but actually some dancing, but that period of history
that he really is the master of and the most fantastic,
elegant smart man. So I have that to do for
the rest of the year, and then this play I
(39:16):
think next summer, and maybe this other thing before and
maybe this other movie before, and.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
I've got lots for once.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
I've got lots lined up that I suppose what I'd
hope would change would be. There's this narrative that you're
stuck with often, and I'm very tired of being referred
to as underrated. It's sort of and I think I
started working in a moment where women were not respected and.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
I was the famous.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
I was going out with somebody very famous, and it
was very tabloid, and it was really painful and it
was really public, and.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
I just sort of got labeled.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
I got saddled with these labels that really never fit myself.
And therefore it was surprising when my work it became
serious and was able to be taken seriously. But this
oft underrated tag, I'm really ready to shed and just
But the best thing about being the age that I
know I am is that I truly I don't really.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Care about any of it. I don't need to be
the biggest movie, so.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
I don't need to be the I don't have like
a burning ambition. I love my job, I love my life,
I love.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
My friends, I love you, I love wine, And I
mean I don't really care enough to be focused singularly
or myopically on a career.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
I am frustrated. That would be my one frustration.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
I'm just understandable, and I think it's it's surprising if
I am good in something still and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
God realoring, Well, I mean you mean surprising from.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
A journalistic I feel within a room in our industry
at the weekend. I mean I feel like great friends.
We've all known each other for years at this point.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I get Also when you know, things happen in your life,
if at certain decades in your life and all of
a sudden they define you, and you're like, well, wait,
how did that define me?
Speaker 3 (41:04):
I wasn't really any of it.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah, this was not you know, and and you know,
and now we have so much twenty twenty in the
hindsight of everything that was going on in regard to
you know, you fall in love with who you fall
in love with, and then all of a sudden that
becomes something and that.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Sort of sort of defines you and you're like, what
the hell? And then everything that's sort of come up.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
And yesterday I had this is crazy and it's I
had this crazy thing pop up on my computer which
was about like you're being hacked.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
I believed, Oh did it say that you've been watching porn?
And I'm gonna fight?
Speaker 2 (41:38):
And I spoke to this man from India and he
was like, yes, I have you.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Know, you're on child. I was horrible.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
And then I started to talk to him and then
I was like okay, and then it starts a dawn
on me and I was like oh.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
So then I pushed back and go He's like, well,
and what are your bank? Like who do you bank with?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
But I didn't give anything specific, but it was very upsetting,
like you know, you're like, well, what And then I
started to say, well, who did you just speak to?
And so eventually he hung up. I was like, okay,
like there are people trying to like, oh, it's when
I called my bank and I told Sheila.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
She was like, this is Sheila.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
And so this just happens to me and he says
I'm watching this and doing that.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
You know you're not doing no.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
I'm like, she's like, you're being fished. And I was like,
oh my god.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
I love right.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Like Sheila was so real.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
She was I mean like a representative of like a
big bank, you know, And I was like, thanks, Sheila.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
I mean, my kid is in the car and my
kids listening to this.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
I'm like and by the way, those emails are horrific.
So I got one of others like, we know you've
been watching.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Porn and we have a video of you. Yeah, yeah,
and we're going to send it to your contact. And
I was just like, do it.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Right, true? Right? No.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I got one of those and I called it my
friend Andy Cohen and said is this true?
Speaker 3 (42:59):
And he was like I get all the time exactly.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
He's like absolutely not disregarded. And I was like, well,
this is great.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
I really get people.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Was like, yeah right, It's like it's very different than
me taking Daniel to a gay bar.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
And then I hits the National that was amazing and
I did see it.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
I want to congratulate you on extrapolations. I want to
congratulate you on all your projects. I got to say,
if you haven't seen Cianna Miller's movies, which I can't imagine.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
You guys seven people have for you and you are
like a joy and literally you it's this has been
a pleasure. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
I would have lunch with you every day.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
For joining on the table for two.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Just spilt it all over.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
That's okay, now, seriously, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
It's I adore you.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
From from the offset.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
I mean, yeah, thank you for pulling up a chair today,
Thank you for thank You, me.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
You, Sandwich Comer.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
All Right.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
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