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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It is verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with
you and Senator it is going to be a very
big fight in the Senate with my orcis impeachment, and
it's something you're going to be leading this fight for
the next couple of weeks as Democrats hope that they
can just make all this go away.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Well, that's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
We're days away from the House transmitting to the Senate
the articles of impeachment against Alejandro Majorcas. This was absolutely
the right thing for the House to do, and the
Senate under Chuck Schumer, the Democrats are trying to do
something utterly unprecedented.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
They're trying to.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Blow up and destroy the Senate's impeachment power and responsibility.
They want to avoid a trial altogether. They want to
just table the matter at the outset. That has never
been done in over two hundred years of our nation's history.
It violates the Constitution. It is brazen.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
We're going to talk about that at length.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, it's truly incredible, and especially what their demands are
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Speaker 2 (02:47):
Senator, let's go back in time and lay out what
you said. I mean, it was months, if not a
year ago, you've been calling for the impeachment my Orcus
and giving the reasons.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Why.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Let's go back and start there. Why did you say
that my Orcus should have been impeached. He was in
the House and lay out that argument first and foremost,
so people remember all of the issues here.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Well, it's been longer than a year.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
It's been closer to two years that I've been calling
for the House to impeach Alejandro Mayorcus. What Mayorcus has
done on behalf of Joe Biden is utterly unprecedented. He
has aided and embedded the criminal invasion of this country
by ten point four million illegal immigrants. The volume of
it is qualitatively different than anything we've ever seen before
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in our nation's history. It's the highest level of illegal immigration.
And understand, it's not that Alejandro Majorcis is incompetent, it's
not that he's negligent, it's not that he's bad at
his job. It is that he has decided to utterly
and completely defy federal law, to ignore, to violate federal law,
and to release millions and millions of illegal immigrants, including murderers,
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in child molesters, including rapists. And by the way, the
illegal immigrants that he is releasing and that Joe Biden
is releasing, have gone on to murder people, to rape people,
to assault people, to commit horrific crimes, and that was
utterly predictable in this instance. The volume of it mayorcis.
It's not that he's trying to secure the border and
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is just lousy at his job. It is that he
is actively trying to accelerate illegal immigration, to assist the
cartels and the human traffickers to process illegal immigrants faster.
Majorcis views his mission as growing ten point four million
illegal immigrants into twenty million, to thirty million into forty million,
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and that is profoundly harmful to this country. It is
in complete defiance of federal law. It's why the House
impeached him, and now they are preparing to send the
articles of impeachment over to the Senate. And under the Constitution,
that triggers the Senate's responsibility to conduct a trial and
adjudicate whether he is guilty or not guilty.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
If you look at the media, what they're saying right
now is, well, there may be a deal here to
make all this go away. And there was a shocking
statement that was put out by Chuck Schumer, sen up
majority leader, and this is what he said, and I
want people to listen carefully. He says that impeachment should
never be used to settle policy disagreements. Now, the big takeaway,
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and I want your take on this, is he's admitting,
I think, for the first time publicly, this is the
policy of the Democratic Party to have wide open borders,
to have terrorists come in, to have cartel members controlling
the border making billions of dollars, and the human trafficking,
the sex trafficking, the fetanyl and everything. This is a
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quote policy disagreement. They're admitting it.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Listen, give you.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
My colleagues's questions.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
You're going to offer a potion to dismiss them.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Charges on Thursday or two for you a conservative of
some Democrats, and tough races over that and.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Come back to the book.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Look, we're going to try and resolve this issue as
quickly as possible. Impeachment should never be used to settle
policy disagreements.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yes, does that mean that this is going there might
be a date about some sort of a frameworkers, at
least hear from the managers.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
What do you think is.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
As I said, we're gonna we're going to try to
resolve this as quickly as possible. As I've said in
the past, it's absurd and there are no charges in
the House complaint that rise to the level of impeachment. Yes,
does that mean dismissing it or tabling? As I said,
we're gonna We're going to move forwards and resolve this
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as quickly as possible. Once again, impeachment should never be
used to settle policy disagreements.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yes, go ahead of his notes.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
That was a pre planned line written out on paper. Clearly,
impeachment should never be used to settle policy disagreement. Set
it there three times. You listen and say that, and
I was just taken aback up my Well, at least
finally they're admitting it. This is our policy at open
border and to fundamentally change his country with lawlessness.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Yes, look the open borders of Joe Biden. It's not
just Joe Biden. It's Joe Biden, it's Kamala Harris, it's
every Senate Democrats, it's every House Democrat. The Democrat Party
as a collective have decided that open borders, that facilitating
the invasion of this country is good for them politically.
They look at the ten point four million illegals and
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they say, hey, they're going to vote Democrat. There are
people some of them will vote illegally right now, and
they're hoping as many of them as possible to vote
illegally right now. But the rest of them, they believe, well,
we'll take power at some point and will grant amnesty
to all of them, will give voting rights to all
of them, and given that we allowed them to come illegally,
they're going to vote Democrat. That is their cynical power calculation. Now,
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it was clear Schumer had two sentences written down that
he repeated over and over again. We're going to resolve
this as quickly as possible. Impeachment should not be used
for policy disputes. As you note, he's conceding that it
is the Democrats policy to have open borders and to
allow this invasion and allow criminals and terrorists to come
into this country and threaten Americans. He's conceding that, But
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I want to focus on the other sentence he had
fifty percent of its comment was we're going to resolve
this as quickly as possible. And I want to put
this in the context of history, because under the Constitution,
the House has the sole power of impeachment to bring
in impeachment proceeding to vote out articles of impeachment, and
the Senate has the sole power to try impeachments and
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the responsibility to try impeachments. Now, in our entire nation's
history over two hundred years, twenty one times, it's been
quite rare. The House of Representatives had voted out articles
of impeachment twenty one times. Alejandro Majorcis is only the
second cabinet secretary in history to be impeached. The first
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was in eighteen seventy sixth the Secretary of War. It
has been one hundred and forty eight years since a
cabinet secretary was impeached, so impeaching cabinet secretary is a
big damn deal. Now, the twenty one times that the
House has sent articles of impeachment over to the Senate,
what has happened. Well, In three of them, the person
who was impeach left office was no longer in office,
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and so the matter was moot once they were out
of office. Impeachment removes people from office, so there was
nothing further to do, so the Senate did not resolve
the ones once the individual had left office. In one
of them, the very first one ever, William Blount, who
was a Senator at the time, the Senate dismissed for
lack of jurisdiction. And what they concluded correctly is that
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under the Constitution, you cannot impeach a a senator. That
the Constitution sets up impeachment as a remedy against executive
branch officials like the president, like Alejandro Majorcis, and it
sets up impeachment as a remedy against judicial officials. And
numerous judges have been impeached and removed from office over
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our nation's history. But the Senate concluded in the very
first impeachment ever that it does not apply to a
member of Congress, that under the terms of the Constitution,
members of Congress are not covered by the impeachment power,
but rather the body's sole and exclusive power to expel
its members. So, of the twenty one times the House
has sent articles of impeachment, over four of them were
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not adjudicated because the officeholder had left or there was
no jurisdiction. The other seventeen, every single time, one hundred
percent of the time, the Senate held a trial, the
Senate made an adjudication, and the Senate, every Senator, voted
guilty or not guilty. Now, let me tell you what
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Chuck Schumer is planning to do. Chuck Schumer is planning
to at the very outset file a motion to table
the articles of impeachment. Now, this is an extraordinary act,
and this does enormous damage to the Constitution and to
the United States Senate. There's never been a motion to
table articles of impeachment over two hundred years of our
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nation's history. It's never happened once. Chuck Schumer is getting
ready to do it. Why is he doing it? And
this is important to understand. There are three reasons Schumer
is planning to file a motion to table the articles
of impeachment. Reason number one, he wants to prevent the
house managers from presenting evidence. The house managers in an
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impeachment trial, they come over, they present evidence, they lay
out the facts that support the impeachment. Chuck Schumer desperately, desperately,
desperately wants to avoid that evidence being put before the
American people. The second reason he plans to file a
motion to table is he wants to avoid a t
a trial terrifies him. Why because what's happening at the
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border is an absolute travesty. It is a disaster, It
is indefensible no Democrat defends it.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
They don't dispute it as.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Let me ask you this because it's it's such an
important point that you're making, and I want to make
sure that everybody understands it. You're saying that a trial
is such bad pr for Democrats running for reelection that
they're afraid that the question could get so brutal and
so ont of hand that those moments where they would
in theory be defending my arcers could be used against
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them in their campaigns and TV ads and commercials and
things like that. So they don't want any of that
video or audio even available for people that might be
able to just say, see, look at Senator so and
so he's in favor of wide open borders and the
chaos in your communities right now, and here he is
defending it.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Well.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Look, that's the third reason that he wants a motion
at table is he doesn't want the Democrats who are
running for reelection this year to have to vote guilty
or not guilty. He doesn't want John Tester and Montana
to stand up and say not guilty. He doesn't want
Sheared Brown in Ohio to stand up and say not guilty.
He doesn't want Bob Casey in Pennsylvania to stand up
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and say not guilty. He doesn't want Tammy Baldwin and
Wisconsin to stand up and say not guilty. He doesn't
want Jackie Rosen and Nevada to stand up and say
not guilty. So he's trying to avoid their having to
make any adjudication on the merits. But but why is
a trial so damaging? Why is the House presenting their
evidence so damaging? Understand the Democrats have no response to
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the arguments about the border and the Judiciary Committee. All
the time I lay out the facts, the eight hundred
and fifty three migrants who died last year crossing illegally.
That's almost three a day that Texas farmers and ranchers
are finding on their farms and ranches of dead people,
of elderly people, of pregnant women, of little children and
toddlers abandoned to die. They can't defend that, can't defend
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the little boys and little girls that are violently sexually
assaulted by human traffickers every day, over and over and
over again. They cannot defend the women who are violently
raped over and over and over again by human traffickers.
They cannot defend the thousands and thousands of teenage girls
sold into sex slavery. They cannot defend the over one
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hundred thousand Americans who died of drug overdoses last year,
seventy percent of which was from Chinese fentanyl flooding across
our southern border. When I lay out these facts, and
I have hundreds of times in the Judiciary Committee, understand, Ben,
no Democrat argues with me. It's not like Dick Durbin
leans forward and goes, well, you know, Cruz has it wrong,
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And here's the Democrat spin. Here's why our open borders
are a great idea. They don't have a defense, they
don't argue, they don't dispute a word I said.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Their strategy just when you showed them those bracelets, the
bracelets that are used and remind people quickly with the bracelets,
but no one refuted it. No one acted like what
you were saying was in the gospel truth with the
bracelets at the border.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Right, look on a lot of issues, all right, taxes,
should taxes go up or down? Republicans argue we should
cut taxes. That'll produce jobs, it'll help small businesses, it
will help working families. We have an argument. The Democrats
have an argument on the other side. They said, no, no, no,
we want high taxes, high taxes for the rich. By
the way, they always say high taxes for the rich,
the taxes ended up end up slamming the middle class.
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But they have an argument, like we go back and forth.
They have their left wing talking points. We have what
we say, and they go back and forth. What is
fascinating and what is incredibly compelling on this issue? There
are no Democrat talking points that they don't have an
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alternative point of view. When I lay out the facts,
when others lay out the facts, they sit there silently.
And why do they do that? They do that because
they know the corporate media is corrupt. They know CNN
won't cover what I'm saying. They know ABC won't cover
what I'm saying. They won't, No, NBC won't cover what
I'm saying. Then no, CBS won't cover what I'm saying.
They especially know MSNBC won't cover what I'm saying. In fact,
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they may do the day in life of a drug
lord as bad as MSNBC is, And so their whole
strategy is hide the actual facts from the American people.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
When I'm in South Texas, do you know that nobody
defends this? There are elected Democrats in South Texas. I've
never seen an elected Democrat in South Texas say hey,
what Joe Biden's doing at the border is awesome. It's
just great. It's something. So when Chuck Schumer says policy disputes, Okay,
what's your policy? Defend it? They don't want to. Their
whole strategy is hide, hide, hide, count on the media
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to hide, because they're hoping the American people don't realize
what they're doing. That's why Schumer wants to dismiss it.
A trial terrifies him.
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the confidence of Chuck Schumer. In that clip that we played,
he seemed pretty confident and set it over again. I
think twice that this is going to be something we're
looking for a resolution.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Quickly, maybe in a day.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
As the reporter yell back at him, he didn't seem
to push back on that at all. So what is
their game plan to basically make all this go away?
And how do we stop it? And that seems to
be your core goal here is to make sure that
doesn't happen.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Schumer wants it incredibly quick, incredibly silent. He doesn't want
Senate Democrats on record, He doesn't want any of the
facts revealed to the American people. So originally the plan
was that the House had announced they were going to
transmit the articles of impeachment Wednesday night. You and I
are recording this right now. It is eleven fifty one
pm Tuesday night. The plan from the House was it
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was going to come over Wednesday night. Now, the consequence
of that means that the Senate would have convened as
an impeachment trial Thursday at one pm. So when articles
of impeachment come to the Senate, there's actually a separate
set of rules for impeachment. They're totally different from the
legislative rules, and it's mandatory that the Senate immediately moves
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into impeachment when articles of impeachment come over. Look, it's
only come over twenty one times in our whole nation's history.
It is an unusual moment. The problem with the Senate
starting this Thursday at one pm is typically senators go
home Thursday afternoon, get on a plane, and fly back.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
To their states.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Schumer wanted to do all of this Thursday afternoon because
he knew senators would be anxious to leave to get
back to their states. They have events scheduled in their state,
they're traveling around their state, and he knew they would
want to get out of here. So this morning, Tuesday morning,
I started the morning by sitting down in a meeting
with Mitch McConnell and with Republican leadership and with Mike
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Lee and John Kennedy and meeting with leadership about how
we can fight what Schumer is doing here. And a
point that I raised in that meeting this morning, I said,
it is really damn stupid for us to do this
Thursday afternoon. It facilitates Schumer's goal of making this quick.
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And what I suggested at the meeting this morning is
I said it would make a lot more sense for
the House to transmit the articles of impeachment next week,
next Monday. If they transmit it Monday, the Senate takes
it up Tuesday. Tuesday is a much better time to
take it up because it means the Senate we have
the entire week to put this issue before the American people,
and we're not doing it at a time when senators,
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both Democrats and Republicans are eager to get out of town.
The phrase is jet fumes are in the air like
Thursday afternoon is when leadership tries to ram things through
quickly because everyone wants to leave.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Well, and by the way side, note what's happening author
this weekend, which every person in America that will have
supports it's going to be paying attention to as well.
That starts on Thursday the master. So for Democrat to
be even a better time to get on Thursday.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
So a bit of good news I raised this morning
at the meeting. I said, this doesn't make any sense.
Everyone who was meeting with us agreed, and so I
texted the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson. Mike Lee
texted the Speaker of the House. John Kennedy texted the
Speaker of the House, and the Speaker, to his credit,
he's a great guy, he's a great friend. The Speaker said, okay, great,
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happy to do it. And so he announced this afternoon
that they were going to delay sending the articles of
impeachment until early next week, and so we asked him
to do that.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
He did that at our request.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
And the reason we wanted it to come early next
week is so that we could focus early on the
week when we could get real attention and focus on it.
So that was a good step. Now I want to
pause and have you reflect a little bit on why
this motion to table is so consequential if Schumer succeeds,
if if every Democrat votes for it, and right now
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Schumer seems supremely confident that every Democrat will vote for it.
What that means, number one, is that every Democrat is
now on record supporting Joe Biden's open borders, that they're
perfectly fine with what Alejandro Mayorcis has done, but Number
two understand that they will have participated in changing the
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US Senate. And so today I participated in a press
conference with a number of Republican senators where we talked
about the significance of this moment. And it is in
many ways very similar to twenty thirteen and twenty thirteen
Harry Reid, the Democrat, was the Senate majority leader, and
it is when Harry Reid nuked the filibuster for judicial
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appointments and for cabinet appointments and nuking the filibuster, what
that meant is is that Harry Reid broke the Senate
rules in order to change the Senate rules. It used
to be the case that you needed sixty votes to
move forward on judges, to move forward on executive branch nominees.
And what Harry Reid did is he used what was
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called the nuclear option, which is that he got a
ruling from the chair on the floor that it takes
sixty votes to proceed to a nomination, and then he
moved to overturn the ruling of the Chair. Under the
Senate rules, any ruling of the Chair can be overturned,
and you can overturn the ruling of the Chair with
just fifty one votes. And so what happened was Harry
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Reid got the Democrats to overturn the ruling of the Chair.
And once you do that, you change the precedence, and
that new ruling is binding. The effect of that is,
since twenty thirteen, nominations have only required fifty one votes
instead of sixty votes. Well, that night that Reid was
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nuking the filibuster for nominations. The filibuster still exists for legislation,
but read nuked it for nominations. I talked to Amy
Klobuchar on the Senate floor and I told Amy that day,
I said, you are going to regret this decision. All
of the Democrats are going to regret this decision. And
the consequence of this decision is we're going to see
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more justices like Antoninscalienne, Clarence Thomas on the courts. And
there is an irony that the direct result of Harry
Reid nuking the filibuster is Roe versus Wade being overturned.
If Harry Reid had not nuked the filibuster, there's no
way on earth that the Senate would have confirmed Brett Kavanaugh,
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or probably not Amy Coney Barrett, and maybe not even
Neil Gorsuch. That if we required sixty votes, Roe versus
Wade would still be the law of the land. But
for the Senate Democrats nuking the filibuster in twenty thirteen,
and I told them that, a number of us told
them that in twenty thirteen. Now, what Chuck Schumer is
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planning to do next week is every bit as big
a deal as nuking the filibuster. And in many ways
it's more significant. Why because the filibuster is not.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Actual what is the cause and effect?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Then? Right, if you're saying you give the last example,
which is significant, and I don't think you know many
people understood that are remembered it. But what would it
then be the cause and effect of this? And could
there be a silver lining in it? Well, Look, the
reason it is more significant is the filibuster is not
written in the Constitution. The filibuster is a matter of
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Senate procedure and Senate practice, and the Senate rules impeachment
is written into the Constitution. The obligation on the Senate
to try impeachment is mandatory. It is in the Constitution.
So what the Senate Democrats are planning to do next
week is nuke the impeachment clause of the Constitution, destroy
the Senate's responsibility, give away the Senate's power. And you
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want to know the consequences. Listen, We've got an election
in November. I think there's a very good chance to
Donald Trump will be elected president. And it is entirely
possible that Trump will be elected president. Republicans will take
the Senate, and yet we could lose the House. We
could end up in January with Trump and the White House,
a Republican Senate and a Democrat House. If that happens,
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I'm here to predict right now. If the Democrats have
the House, they will once again impeach Donald Trump, maybe
for the third time, the fourth time, the fifth time.
I can't tell you how many times a Democrat house
will impeach Donald Trump. It may be the only thing
they do for two years.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
If that happens and it comes to the Senate and
we have a Republican Senate, you know what we'll do.
We'll table the damn thing. And let's be clear, we
didn't last time. So when Donald Trump was impeached the
first time, it was exactly that scenario. You had a
Democrat House Pelosi ram the impeachment through the impeachment came
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over to the Senate. We had a Republican Senate, Mitch
McConnell was the majority leader. We could have tried to
do what Chuck Schumer is getting ready to do. We
could have just tried to table at the outset, but
we didn't because Senate Republicans actually took our constitutional obligation seriously.
We followed the Constitution. We conducted the trial, and Donald
Trump was acquitted. We voted not guilty. That's actually the
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proper constitutional way. What Chuck Schumer is willing to do
to protect Democrat senators from accountability for the disaster at
our southern border of their policies, what he now calls
a policy dispute, is break the Senate and nuke the
impeachment clause of the Constitution. That's a big deal, and
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it's a deal that will have consequences ten years, fifty years,
one hundred years from now. If Schumer does this next week,
you will never again see an impeachment trial when the
Senate is the same party as the president, that will
be taken off the table.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
So if he does this, will there be any backlash
you think come November? Or is this such inside baseball
that it just says they say, okay, so what he
changed it?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Who really cares?
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Well, Look the institutional change of the Senate, I don't
think that's going to be a big voting issue. I
do think the border and the chaos and the suffering
and the death that is coming from Joe Biden to
the Democrats' open border, I think that is going to
be probably the single most important issue in November, and
(29:29):
so it is critically important we do everything we can
to number one, increase the price for Schumer breaking the Senate,
destroying the institutions of democracy. You know, there's an irony.
Democrats love to beat their chest and talk about how
they want to save democracy, and yet this is an
assault on democracy. This is an assault on the constitution
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and the institution that is the Senate, just like the
Democrats assault on the filibuster back in twenty thirteen. The
Democrats have systematically been tearing down our institutions. But what
I think is going to resonate. So listen, when we
move to the impeachment trial, hopefully early next week, a
number of US intend to raise points of order. I
(30:13):
intend to raise probably multiple points of order, challenging what
the Democrats are doing. And let me be clear what's
supposed to happen. So here's what should happen next week.
They're one of two things that can happen. Number One,
the Senate, the full Senate could move could could move
to could adopt an organizing resolution and move to holding
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an impeachment trial on the floor of the Senate. Now,
when the president is impeached, the Chief Justice of the
United States presides over the impeachment trial and it occurs
on the floor of the Senate. You'll recall that's what
happened with both the Trump's impeachments. That's what happened with
Bill Clinton's impeachment. And so Mike Lee has filed an
(31:00):
organizing resolution that I've co authored that would set up
a trial using exactly the same rules that the Democrats
put in place that we followed for Donald Trump's impeachment. Actually,
the first one the Republicans put in place, the second
one the Democrats had a majority they put in place
for Trump's second impeachment. And by the way, the second
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impeachment of Trump, the Chief Justice did not preside because
Trump was no longer president. So Pat Leahy, the President
pro tem, presided, because the Chief Justice only presides when
it is the sitting president who's being impeached. That's one
way of proceeding. Frankly, if we had a Republican majority,
that's the way we would proceed is we would have
a trial on the floor of the Senate to put
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the facts before the American people. There is another way
that Schumer and the Democrats could proceed, consistent with the
Constitution and consistent with the law, which is the Senate
could appoint an impeachment committee, a committee with an equal
number of members, an equal number of Democrats and Republicans,
and the committee would conduct the impeachment trial. Now, the
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trial would be public. The House managers would present their evidence,
and the committee would conduct the trial. That is the
way that the Senate is handled, for example, the judicial
impeachments that come over. They've appointed a committee, the committee
has heard the trial, and then the committee makes a
recommendation to the Senate, and the Senate Ultimately, every Senator
has to vote guilty or not guilty. But the trial
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itself is not held on the Senate floor. It's held
in a committee. Now, I filed an organizing resolution that
would set up exactly that process, would set up a
committee to conduct the trial. The trial would be public,
so we would put the information, we'd put the charges,
we'd put the evidence, we'd put the harms, we'd put
the people hurt and killed by the Democrats' open borders.
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We put all of those facts before the American people.
But it would not be on the floor. It would
be in a committee. I'm going to make a motion
to do that. The Democrats are going to oppose it,
I expect, and I think there are a number of
Republicans who are going to raise points of orders, try
to make motions to highlight the enormous harms caused by
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the open borders. And what I'm anticipating is every Democrat
voting party line over and over and over again against
every motion and every point of order we raise. Why
And it's what Chuck Schumer told us, Because this is
a policy dispute, and the policy of the Democrats is
they are for open borders. No matter how many people
are killed, no matter how many children are violated, no
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matter how many women are sexually assaulted, they'refore open borders,
no matter how many terrorists come into this country and
how much death and destruction results. And I think next
week we're going to see that vividly before the American people.
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what Republicans should do.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Do they need to call their senators?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Sometimes people, I think get fatigue on that and they think,
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Speaker 1 (36:10):
So?
Speaker 4 (36:10):
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Call them.
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sentences he read and nothing more. We're going to finish
this very quickly. Impeachment shouldn't be used for policy disputes.
He didn't have a third sentence. The reason is he's
terrified his members, John Tester and Montana is utterly terrified.
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because the people of Montana are horrified by the open
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when he goes home he doesn't support them. Well, every
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is worth it, and the people who suffer and die
that's not a big enough problem to make them stop
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you and Senator it is going to be a very
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it's something you're going to be leading this fight for
the next couple of weeks as Democrats hope that they
can just make all this go away.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Well, that's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
We're days away from the House transmitting to the Senate
the articles of impeachment against Alejandro Majorcas. This was absolutely
the right thing for the House to do, and the
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something utterly unprecedented.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
They're trying to.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Blow up and destroy the Senate's impeachment power and responsibility.
They want to avoid a trial altogether. They want to
just table the matter at the outset. That has never
been done in over two hundred years of our nation's history.
It violates the Constitution. It is brazen.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
We're going to talk about that at length.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
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Speaker 2 (02:47):
Senator, let's go back in time and lay out what
you said. I mean, it was months, if not a
year ago, you've been calling for the impeachment my Orcus
and giving the reasons.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Why.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Let's go back and start there. Why did you say
that my Orcus should have been impeached. He was in
the House and lay out that argument first and foremost,
so people remember all of the issues here.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Well, it's been longer than a year.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
It's been closer to two years that I've been calling
for the House to impeach Alejandro Mayorcus. What Mayorcus has
done on behalf of Joe Biden is utterly unprecedented. He
has aided and embedded the criminal invasion of this country
by ten point four million illegal immigrants. The volume of
it is qualitatively different than anything we've ever seen before
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in our nation's history. It's the highest level of illegal immigration.
And understand, it's not that Alejandro Majorcis is incompetent, it's
not that he's negligent, it's not that he's bad at
his job. It is that he has decided to utterly
and completely defy federal law, to ignore, to violate federal law,
and to release millions and millions of illegal immigrants, including murderers,
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in child molesters, including rapists. And by the way, the
illegal immigrants that he is releasing and that Joe Biden
is releasing, have gone on to murder people, to rape people,
to assault people, to commit horrific crimes, and that was
utterly predictable in this instance. The volume of it mayorcis.
It's not that he's trying to secure the border and
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is just lousy at his job. It is that he
is actively trying to accelerate illegal immigration, to assist the
cartels and the human traffickers to process illegal immigrants faster.
Majorcis views his mission as growing ten point four million
illegal immigrants into twenty million, to thirty million into forty million,
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and that is profoundly harmful to this country. It is
in complete defiance of federal law. It's why the House
impeached him, and now they are preparing to send the
articles of impeachment over to the Senate. And under the Constitution,
that triggers the Senate's responsibility to conduct a trial and
adjudicate whether he is guilty or not guilty.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
If you look at the media, what they're saying right
now is, well, there may be a deal here to
make all this go away. And there was a shocking
statement that was put out by Chuck Schumer, sen up
majority leader, and this is what he said, and I
want people to listen carefully. He says that impeachment should
never be used to settle policy disagreements. Now, the big takeaway,
(05:30):
and I want your take on this, is he's admitting,
I think, for the first time publicly, this is the
policy of the Democratic Party to have wide open borders,
to have terrorists come in, to have cartel members controlling
the border making billions of dollars, and the human trafficking,
the sex trafficking, the fetanyl and everything. This is a
(05:50):
quote policy disagreement. They're admitting it.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Listen, give you.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
My colleagues's questions.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
You're going to offer a potion to dismiss them.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Charges on Thursday or two for you a conservative of
some Democrats, and tough races over that and.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Come back to the book.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Look, we're going to try and resolve this issue as
quickly as possible. Impeachment should never be used to settle
policy disagreements.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yes, does that mean that this is going there might
be a date about some sort of a frameworkers, at
least hear from the managers.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
What do you think is.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
As I said, we're gonna we're going to try to
resolve this as quickly as possible. As I've said in
the past, it's absurd and there are no charges in
the House complaint that rise to the level of impeachment. Yes,
does that mean dismissing it or tabling? As I said,
we're gonna We're going to move forwards and resolve this
(06:50):
as quickly as possible. Once again, impeachment should never be
used to settle policy disagreements.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yes, go ahead of his notes.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
That was a pre planned line written out on paper. Clearly,
impeachment should never be used to settle policy disagreement. Set
it there three times. You listen and say that, and
I was just taken aback up my Well, at least
finally they're admitting it. This is our policy at open
border and to fundamentally change his country with lawlessness.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Yes, look the open borders of Joe Biden. It's not
just Joe Biden. It's Joe Biden, it's Kamala Harris, it's
every Senate Democrats, it's every House Democrat. The Democrat Party
as a collective have decided that open borders, that facilitating
the invasion of this country is good for them politically.
They look at the ten point four million illegals and
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they say, hey, they're going to vote Democrat. There are
people some of them will vote illegally right now, and
they're hoping as many of them as possible to vote
illegally right now. But the rest of them, they believe, well,
we'll take power at some point and will grant amnesty
to all of them, will give voting rights to all
of them, and given that we allowed them to come illegally,
they're going to vote Democrat. That is their cynical power calculation. Now,
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it was clear Schumer had two sentences written down that
he repeated over and over again. We're going to resolve
this as quickly as possible. Impeachment should not be used
for policy disputes. As you note, he's conceding that it
is the Democrats policy to have open borders and to
allow this invasion and allow criminals and terrorists to come
into this country and threaten Americans. He's conceding that, But
(08:25):
I want to focus on the other sentence he had
fifty percent of its comment was we're going to resolve
this as quickly as possible. And I want to put
this in the context of history, because under the Constitution,
the House has the sole power of impeachment to bring
in impeachment proceeding to vote out articles of impeachment, and
the Senate has the sole power to try impeachments and
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the responsibility to try impeachments. Now, in our entire nation's
history over two hundred years, twenty one times, it's been
quite rare. The House of Representatives had voted out articles
of impeachment twenty one times. Alejandro Majorcis is only the
second cabinet secretary in history to be impeached. The first
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was in eighteen seventy sixth the Secretary of War. It
has been one hundred and forty eight years since a
cabinet secretary was impeached, so impeaching cabinet secretary is a
big damn deal. Now, the twenty one times that the
House has sent articles of impeachment over to the Senate,
what has happened. Well, In three of them, the person
who was impeach left office was no longer in office,
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and so the matter was moot once they were out
of office. Impeachment removes people from office, so there was
nothing further to do, so the Senate did not resolve
the ones once the individual had left office. In one
of them, the very first one ever, William Blount, who
was a Senator at the time, the Senate dismissed for
lack of jurisdiction. And what they concluded correctly is that
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under the Constitution, you cannot impeach a a senator. That
the Constitution sets up impeachment as a remedy against executive
branch officials like the president, like Alejandro Majorcis, and it
sets up impeachment as a remedy against judicial officials. And
numerous judges have been impeached and removed from office over
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our nation's history. But the Senate concluded in the very
first impeachment ever that it does not apply to a
member of Congress, that under the terms of the Constitution,
members of Congress are not covered by the impeachment power,
but rather the body's sole and exclusive power to expel
its members. So, of the twenty one times the House
has sent articles of impeachment, over four of them were
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not adjudicated because the officeholder had left or there was
no jurisdiction. The other seventeen, every single time, one hundred
percent of the time, the Senate held a trial, the
Senate made an adjudication, and the Senate, every Senator, voted
guilty or not guilty. Now, let me tell you what
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Chuck Schumer is planning to do. Chuck Schumer is planning
to at the very outset file a motion to table
the articles of impeachment. Now, this is an extraordinary act,
and this does enormous damage to the Constitution and to
the United States Senate. There's never been a motion to
table articles of impeachment over two hundred years of our
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nation's history. It's never happened once. Chuck Schumer is getting
ready to do it. Why is he doing it? And
this is important to understand. There are three reasons Schumer
is planning to file a motion to table the articles
of impeachment. Reason number one, he wants to prevent the
house managers from presenting evidence. The house managers in an
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impeachment trial, they come over, they present evidence, they lay
out the facts that support the impeachment. Chuck Schumer desperately, desperately,
desperately wants to avoid that evidence being put before the
American people. The second reason he plans to file a
motion to table is he wants to avoid a t
a trial terrifies him. Why because what's happening at the
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border is an absolute travesty. It is a disaster, It
is indefensible no Democrat defends it.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
They don't dispute it as.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Let me ask you this because it's it's such an
important point that you're making, and I want to make
sure that everybody understands it. You're saying that a trial
is such bad pr for Democrats running for reelection that
they're afraid that the question could get so brutal and
so ont of hand that those moments where they would
in theory be defending my arcers could be used against
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them in their campaigns and TV ads and commercials and
things like that. So they don't want any of that
video or audio even available for people that might be
able to just say, see, look at Senator so and
so he's in favor of wide open borders and the
chaos in your communities right now, and here he is
defending it.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Well.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Look, that's the third reason that he wants a motion
at table is he doesn't want the Democrats who are
running for reelection this year to have to vote guilty
or not guilty. He doesn't want John Tester and Montana
to stand up and say not guilty. He doesn't want
Sheared Brown in Ohio to stand up and say not guilty.
He doesn't want Bob Casey in Pennsylvania to stand up
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and say not guilty. He doesn't want Tammy Baldwin and
Wisconsin to stand up and say not guilty. He doesn't
want Jackie Rosen and Nevada to stand up and say
not guilty. So he's trying to avoid their having to
make any adjudication on the merits. But but why is
a trial so damaging? Why is the House presenting their
evidence so damaging? Understand the Democrats have no response to
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the arguments about the border and the Judiciary Committee. All
the time I lay out the facts, the eight hundred
and fifty three migrants who died last year crossing illegally.
That's almost three a day that Texas farmers and ranchers
are finding on their farms and ranches of dead people,
of elderly people, of pregnant women, of little children and
toddlers abandoned to die. They can't defend that, can't defend
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the little boys and little girls that are violently sexually
assaulted by human traffickers every day, over and over and
over again. They cannot defend the women who are violently
raped over and over and over again by human traffickers.
They cannot defend the thousands and thousands of teenage girls
sold into sex slavery. They cannot defend the over one
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hundred thousand Americans who died of drug overdoses last year,
seventy percent of which was from Chinese fentanyl flooding across
our southern border. When I lay out these facts, and
I have hundreds of times in the Judiciary Committee, understand, Ben,
no Democrat argues with me. It's not like Dick Durbin
leans forward and goes, well, you know, Cruz has it wrong,
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And here's the Democrat spin. Here's why our open borders
are a great idea. They don't have a defense, they
don't argue, they don't dispute a word I said.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Their strategy just when you showed them those bracelets, the
bracelets that are used and remind people quickly with the bracelets,
but no one refuted it. No one acted like what
you were saying was in the gospel truth with the
bracelets at the border.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Right, look on a lot of issues, all right, taxes,
should taxes go up or down? Republicans argue we should
cut taxes. That'll produce jobs, it'll help small businesses, it
will help working families. We have an argument. The Democrats
have an argument on the other side. They said, no, no, no,
we want high taxes, high taxes for the rich. By
the way, they always say high taxes for the rich,
the taxes ended up end up slamming the middle class.
(15:32):
But they have an argument, like we go back and forth.
They have their left wing talking points. We have what
we say, and they go back and forth. What is
fascinating and what is incredibly compelling on this issue? There
are no Democrat talking points that they don't have an
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alternative point of view. When I lay out the facts,
when others lay out the facts, they sit there silently.
And why do they do that? They do that because
they know the corporate media is corrupt. They know CNN
won't cover what I'm saying. They know ABC won't cover
what I'm saying. They won't, No, NBC won't cover what
I'm saying. Then no, CBS won't cover what I'm saying.
They especially know MSNBC won't cover what I'm saying. In fact,
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they may do the day in life of a drug
lord as bad as MSNBC is, And so their whole
strategy is hide the actual facts from the American people.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
When I'm in South Texas, do you know that nobody
defends this? There are elected Democrats in South Texas. I've
never seen an elected Democrat in South Texas say hey,
what Joe Biden's doing at the border is awesome. It's
just great. It's something. So when Chuck Schumer says policy disputes, Okay,
what's your policy? Defend it? They don't want to. Their
whole strategy is hide, hide, hide, count on the media
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to hide, because they're hoping the American people don't realize
what they're doing. That's why Schumer wants to dismiss it.
A trial terrifies him.
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the confidence of Chuck Schumer. In that clip that we played,
he seemed pretty confident and set it over again. I
think twice that this is going to be something we're
looking for a resolution.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Quickly, maybe in a day.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
As the reporter yell back at him, he didn't seem
to push back on that at all. So what is
their game plan to basically make all this go away?
And how do we stop it? And that seems to
be your core goal here is to make sure that
doesn't happen.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Schumer wants it incredibly quick, incredibly silent. He doesn't want
Senate Democrats on record, He doesn't want any of the
facts revealed to the American people. So originally the plan
was that the House had announced they were going to
transmit the articles of impeachment Wednesday night. You and I
are recording this right now. It is eleven fifty one
pm Tuesday night. The plan from the House was it
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was going to come over Wednesday night. Now, the consequence
of that means that the Senate would have convened as
an impeachment trial Thursday at one pm. So when articles
of impeachment come to the Senate, there's actually a separate
set of rules for impeachment. They're totally different from the
legislative rules, and it's mandatory that the Senate immediately moves
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into impeachment when articles of impeachment come over. Look, it's
only come over twenty one times in our whole nation's history.
It is an unusual moment. The problem with the Senate
starting this Thursday at one pm is typically senators go
home Thursday afternoon, get on a plane, and fly back.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
To their states.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Schumer wanted to do all of this Thursday afternoon because
he knew senators would be anxious to leave to get
back to their states. They have events scheduled in their state,
they're traveling around their state, and he knew they would
want to get out of here. So this morning, Tuesday morning,
I started the morning by sitting down in a meeting
with Mitch McConnell and with Republican leadership and with Mike
(20:58):
Lee and John Kennedy and meeting with leadership about how
we can fight what Schumer is doing here. And a
point that I raised in that meeting this morning, I said,
it is really damn stupid for us to do this
Thursday afternoon. It facilitates Schumer's goal of making this quick.
(21:20):
And what I suggested at the meeting this morning is
I said it would make a lot more sense for
the House to transmit the articles of impeachment next week,
next Monday. If they transmit it Monday, the Senate takes
it up Tuesday. Tuesday is a much better time to
take it up because it means the Senate we have
the entire week to put this issue before the American people,
and we're not doing it at a time when senators,
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both Democrats and Republicans are eager to get out of town.
The phrase is jet fumes are in the air like
Thursday afternoon is when leadership tries to ram things through
quickly because everyone wants to leave.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Well, and by the way side, note what's happening author
this weekend, which every person in America that will have
supports it's going to be paying attention to as well.
That starts on Thursday the master. So for Democrat to
be even a better time to get on Thursday.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
So a bit of good news I raised this morning
at the meeting. I said, this doesn't make any sense.
Everyone who was meeting with us agreed, and so I
texted the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson. Mike Lee
texted the Speaker of the House. John Kennedy texted the
Speaker of the House, and the Speaker, to his credit,
he's a great guy, he's a great friend. The Speaker said, okay, great,
(22:29):
happy to do it. And so he announced this afternoon
that they were going to delay sending the articles of
impeachment until early next week, and so we asked him
to do that.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
He did that at our request.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
And the reason we wanted it to come early next
week is so that we could focus early on the
week when we could get real attention and focus on it.
So that was a good step. Now I want to
pause and have you reflect a little bit on why
this motion to table is so consequential if Schumer succeeds,
if if every Democrat votes for it, and right now
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Schumer seems supremely confident that every Democrat will vote for it.
What that means, number one, is that every Democrat is
now on record supporting Joe Biden's open borders, that they're
perfectly fine with what Alejandro Mayorcis has done, but Number
two understand that they will have participated in changing the
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US Senate. And so today I participated in a press
conference with a number of Republican senators where we talked
about the significance of this moment. And it is in
many ways very similar to twenty thirteen and twenty thirteen
Harry Reid, the Democrat, was the Senate majority leader, and
it is when Harry Reid nuked the filibuster for judicial
(23:48):
appointments and for cabinet appointments and nuking the filibuster, what
that meant is is that Harry Reid broke the Senate
rules in order to change the Senate rules. It used
to be the case that you needed sixty votes to
move forward on judges, to move forward on executive branch nominees.
And what Harry Reid did is he used what was
(24:10):
called the nuclear option, which is that he got a
ruling from the chair on the floor that it takes
sixty votes to proceed to a nomination, and then he
moved to overturn the ruling of the Chair. Under the
Senate rules, any ruling of the Chair can be overturned,
and you can overturn the ruling of the Chair with
just fifty one votes. And so what happened was Harry
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Reid got the Democrats to overturn the ruling of the Chair.
And once you do that, you change the precedence, and
that new ruling is binding. The effect of that is,
since twenty thirteen, nominations have only required fifty one votes
instead of sixty votes. Well, that night that Reid was
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nuking the filibuster for nominations. The filibuster still exists for legislation,
but read nuked it for nominations. I talked to Amy
Klobuchar on the Senate floor and I told Amy that day,
I said, you are going to regret this decision. All
of the Democrats are going to regret this decision. And
the consequence of this decision is we're going to see
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more justices like Antoninscalienne, Clarence Thomas on the courts. And
there is an irony that the direct result of Harry
Reid nuking the filibuster is Roe versus Wade being overturned.
If Harry Reid had not nuked the filibuster, there's no
way on earth that the Senate would have confirmed Brett Kavanaugh,
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or probably not Amy Coney Barrett, and maybe not even
Neil Gorsuch. That if we required sixty votes, Roe versus
Wade would still be the law of the land. But
for the Senate Democrats nuking the filibuster in twenty thirteen,
and I told them that, a number of us told
them that in twenty thirteen. Now, what Chuck Schumer is
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planning to do next week is every bit as big
a deal as nuking the filibuster. And in many ways
it's more significant. Why because the filibuster is not.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Actual what is the cause and effect?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Then? Right, if you're saying you give the last example,
which is significant, and I don't think you know many
people understood that are remembered it. But what would it
then be the cause and effect of this? And could
there be a silver lining in it? Well, Look, the
reason it is more significant is the filibuster is not
written in the Constitution. The filibuster is a matter of
(26:31):
Senate procedure and Senate practice, and the Senate rules impeachment
is written into the Constitution. The obligation on the Senate
to try impeachment is mandatory. It is in the Constitution.
So what the Senate Democrats are planning to do next
week is nuke the impeachment clause of the Constitution, destroy
the Senate's responsibility, give away the Senate's power. And you
(26:54):
want to know the consequences. Listen, We've got an election
in November. I think there's a very good chance to
Donald Trump will be elected president. And it is entirely
possible that Trump will be elected president. Republicans will take
the Senate, and yet we could lose the House. We
could end up in January with Trump and the White House,
a Republican Senate and a Democrat House. If that happens,
(27:19):
I'm here to predict right now. If the Democrats have
the House, they will once again impeach Donald Trump, maybe
for the third time, the fourth time, the fifth time.
I can't tell you how many times a Democrat house
will impeach Donald Trump. It may be the only thing
they do for two years.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
If that happens and it comes to the Senate and
we have a Republican Senate, you know what we'll do.
We'll table the damn thing. And let's be clear, we
didn't last time. So when Donald Trump was impeached the
first time, it was exactly that scenario. You had a
Democrat House Pelosi ram the impeachment through the impeachment came
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over to the Senate. We had a Republican Senate, Mitch
McConnell was the majority leader. We could have tried to
do what Chuck Schumer is getting ready to do. We
could have just tried to table at the outset, but
we didn't because Senate Republicans actually took our constitutional obligation seriously.
We followed the Constitution. We conducted the trial, and Donald
Trump was acquitted. We voted not guilty. That's actually the
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proper constitutional way. What Chuck Schumer is willing to do
to protect Democrat senators from accountability for the disaster at
our southern border of their policies, what he now calls
a policy dispute, is break the Senate and nuke the
impeachment clause of the Constitution. That's a big deal, and
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it's a deal that will have consequences ten years, fifty years,
one hundred years from now. If Schumer does this next week,
you will never again see an impeachment trial when the
Senate is the same party as the president, that will
be taken off the table.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
So if he does this, will there be any backlash
you think come November? Or is this such inside baseball
that it just says they say, okay, so what he
changed it?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Who really cares?
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Well, Look the institutional change of the Senate, I don't
think that's going to be a big voting issue. I
do think the border and the chaos and the suffering
and the death that is coming from Joe Biden to
the Democrats' open border, I think that is going to
be probably the single most important issue in November, and
(29:29):
so it is critically important we do everything we can
to number one, increase the price for Schumer breaking the Senate,
destroying the institutions of democracy. You know, there's an irony.
Democrats love to beat their chest and talk about how
they want to save democracy, and yet this is an
assault on democracy. This is an assault on the constitution
(29:53):
and the institution that is the Senate, just like the
Democrats assault on the filibuster back in twenty thirteen. The
Democrats have systematically been tearing down our institutions. But what
I think is going to resonate. So listen, when we
move to the impeachment trial, hopefully early next week, a
number of US intend to raise points of order. I
(30:13):
intend to raise probably multiple points of order, challenging what
the Democrats are doing. And let me be clear what's
supposed to happen. So here's what should happen next week.
They're one of two things that can happen. Number One,
the Senate, the full Senate could move could could move
to could adopt an organizing resolution and move to holding
(30:36):
an impeachment trial on the floor of the Senate. Now,
when the president is impeached, the Chief Justice of the
United States presides over the impeachment trial and it occurs
on the floor of the Senate. You'll recall that's what
happened with both the Trump's impeachments. That's what happened with
Bill Clinton's impeachment. And so Mike Lee has filed an
(31:00):
organizing resolution that I've co authored that would set up
a trial using exactly the same rules that the Democrats
put in place that we followed for Donald Trump's impeachment. Actually,
the first one the Republicans put in place, the second
one the Democrats had a majority they put in place
for Trump's second impeachment. And by the way, the second
(31:20):
impeachment of Trump, the Chief Justice did not preside because
Trump was no longer president. So Pat Leahy, the President
pro tem, presided, because the Chief Justice only presides when
it is the sitting president who's being impeached. That's one
way of proceeding. Frankly, if we had a Republican majority,
that's the way we would proceed is we would have
a trial on the floor of the Senate to put
(31:40):
the facts before the American people. There is another way
that Schumer and the Democrats could proceed, consistent with the
Constitution and consistent with the law, which is the Senate
could appoint an impeachment committee, a committee with an equal
number of members, an equal number of Democrats and Republicans,
and the committee would conduct the impeachment trial. Now, the
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trial would be public. The House managers would present their evidence,
and the committee would conduct the trial. That is the
way that the Senate is handled, for example, the judicial
impeachments that come over. They've appointed a committee, the committee
has heard the trial, and then the committee makes a
recommendation to the Senate, and the Senate Ultimately, every Senator
has to vote guilty or not guilty. But the trial
(32:23):
itself is not held on the Senate floor. It's held
in a committee. Now, I filed an organizing resolution that
would set up exactly that process, would set up a
committee to conduct the trial. The trial would be public,
so we would put the information, we'd put the charges,
we'd put the evidence, we'd put the harms, we'd put
the people hurt and killed by the Democrats' open borders.
(32:45):
We put all of those facts before the American people.
But it would not be on the floor. It would
be in a committee. I'm going to make a motion
to do that. The Democrats are going to oppose it,
I expect, and I think there are a number of
Republicans who are going to raise points of orders, try
to make motions to highlight the enormous harms caused by
(33:06):
the open borders. And what I'm anticipating is every Democrat
voting party line over and over and over again against
every motion and every point of order we raise. Why
And it's what Chuck Schumer told us, Because this is
a policy dispute, and the policy of the Democrats is
they are for open borders. No matter how many people
are killed, no matter how many children are violated, no
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matter how many women are sexually assaulted, they'refore open borders,
no matter how many terrorists come into this country and
how much death and destruction results. And I think next
week we're going to see that vividly before the American people.
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four or five days, what a listeners of verdict need
to do and who do they need to be calling
or does this say hey, go and call into local
talk radio shows and explain why this is important and
what Republicans should do.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Do they need to call their senators?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Sometimes people, I think get fatigue on that and they think,
do they even listen to me? Does it even matter
if I've got a Democratic senator that I from my state,
Are they going to even listen to me?
Speaker 1 (36:10):
So?
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Yes, call your senators and it's important, particularly those Democrat
senators that are in tough reelection races. I mentioned them Montana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Wisconsin,
all of them are in tough reelection races.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Call them.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Call if you're in New Hampshire, You've got two Democrats there.
They're not in the ballot this time, but call them anyway.
If you've got call your senator and say follow the constitution,
have a trial. Call your senator and say in the
open borders that pressure matters. That pressure there's a reason
Schumer listen. Schumer is not shy about talking. I mean
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he'll talk about anything. The fact that he had two
sentences he read and nothing more. We're going to finish
this very quickly. Impeachment shouldn't be used for policy disputes.
He didn't have a third sentence. The reason is he's
terrified his members, John Tester and Montana is utterly terrified.
He wants this over yesterday, fast, fast, fast, fast, fast,
because the people of Montana are horrified by the open
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borders that John Tester supports, and he's going to pretend
when he goes home he doesn't support them. Well, every
moment that this is on the Senate floor, every moment
that the American people are seeing this is a bad
moment for Senate Democrats that are trying to get reelected.
So yes, call your senator, but also do everything you
can to highlight what's going on, to highlight the facts. Look,
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the Democrats' strategy is darkness. It's cover this up. It's
count on the corporate media not to tell the American people.
Hope the voters do not know what is happening. So
do everything we can. Hopefully next week I'm certainly going
to be trying a number of the other Republicans are
going to be trying to highlight the absolute disaster, the
indefensible crisis that the Democrats have deliberately caused on the
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southern border and that they continue to cause. It's not
like they've stopped. They're doing it today, they're doing it tomorrow.
They're going to continue to do it over and over
and over again because for them, the partisan political upside
is worth it, and the people who suffer and die
that's not a big enough problem to make them stop
or change their behavior. We need to make sure the
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American people know the facts.
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