Jerry Ferrara & Matt Leinart on Entourage, Adversity, and the Evolution of Youth Sports

Greg sits down with actor Jerry Ferraraurage) and Heisman Trophy winner Matt Leinart, co-hosts ofThrowbacks for an honest, nostalgic conversation about sports, competition, and growing up. The trio dives into lessons from parenting and coaching, and how adversity shapes character both on and off the field, and more. From keeping the passion alive to finding balance in today’s youth sports culture, this episode is a reminder of why we all fell in love with the game in the first place.

Episode Transcript

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Youth sports in America are at acrossroads, and I'm here to help
lead the conversation forward. I'm Greg Olsen.
Each week we're sitting down with top athletes, coaches and
more to talk about what's working, what's broken and
what's next. Welcome to you think.
All right, before we jump into anything of importance, I'm

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super pumped today. Guys from throwback Jerry Matt,
dude, this is this is going to be a blast.
I don't even care about sports right now.
Jerry, you mentioned my my humble brag of my Emmys that
behind me. You start off, you go wait a
minute, is that an Emmy? And I actually said there's two.
You never won an Emmy. How is that even possible?
Well, personally, definitely not.

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In fact, of all the cast membersof Entourage, myself and Adrian
Grenier, you played Vince, were the only ones who didn't get
nominated for an Emmy. Everybody possible.
And then famously, I think we got of our eight seasons, we
were nominated for seven years of Emmys for best comedy and we
lost every seven straight years.Who are you losing to?

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OK, I don't know if I have an exact order.
Early on, it was like Desperate Housewives.
Oh, then it was Ugly Betty. But then the four years in a row
we got caught in the office run,the office run.
But Piven won three in a row whoplayed Ari?
He won three Emmys in a row. So that that let me.
Tell you what I I can remember vivid moments of my life being

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shaped from binge watching entourage like remember back
when it would come on like the DVD sets and like the hardest
part was like you were done withthe disc and yet like who's
going to get up and like change the next disc.
You know, that was when our lives were so hard, we actually
had to get up to go to the next episode.
Dude, you guys were that show was brilliant, like embodied

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every character. The dialogue the that show is as
well done and as like impactful in my life as any show that I've
ever watched. Jerry, before you answer that,
Greg, the best part about doing this pod is exactly what you're
saying is I've had I've I've gotten probably 100 great
Entourage stories from Jerry in the last year and a half.
It's been absolutely the. Best It's now.

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Talk about humble brags, Jerry. This guy's got a Heisman Trophy
pod. As they pointed out on PMT
sitting on. A.
Dude, I did. I did box.
It's on, it's on like a, it's onlike a table.
You would eat like ATV dinner on.
No, it's. Actually, on a it's actually.
On a jump box, it's actually. On a jump box.

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Yeah, like a card, like a box. Like a like a plyo box.
Like a plyo box? Yeah.
Oh, got it. I couldn't hear it.
Let me see Watch. Yeah, you're talking.
About the biggest? That's the biggest flex.
What? That's all I got, dude.
That's all I got. That all you have is a Heisman I
ain't got, I got. That's all I got.

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A Big Noon we would love like wewould love.
We've been nominated for like a couple sports Emmys and which
has been great, but I mean, we lose to, you know, the TNT crew
every year, so I don't think we'll ever win 1.
I want to get out to one of yourbig nudes.
I I think you guys do such a good job.
It's black. I think there's something super

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magical about being like in in like in the wild.
Like I like to say, like the studios are kind of they're
great and our NFL studio guys are obviously as good as it
gets, but like there's somethingabout being on site.
They're, they're, I did studio for gosh, like 10 years, right?
The, the original, which was a blast cuz that's how I, how I

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learned and, and, and being on aSaturday all day, there's a lot.
So it was great to learn from that and but we were just like,
man, it'd be great if we could go on the road.
It'd be great if we can go on the road and experience that.
And you call games so you get a chance to, you get a feel.
There's nothing like the energy of fans, especially in college.
You know, I do think there's just a difference between
college and NFL. Like, like we were just at BYU

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last week and it was bananas. And like when you're in there,
you just feel like I got goosebumps just thinking about
cuz you're just like, it just makes the show better.
It's just the energy of the showand you can play off the fans
and you can talk smack. And dude, we had, we had Gronk
out there one show last year, man, or two years ago, he came
to Colorado and he, I mean, he lit it up as you could imagine,

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dude, it was hysterical, dude. He was like, I'm sure he did.
You got to come out there, dude,you got a busy schedule.
You're on the road every. Week I'm, I'm traveling, you
know my Saturdays and you know I'm, I'm on planes, trains and
automobiles on Saturdays, traveling to get into our game.
Jerry, have you been out there on?
Have you ever been out there on set to do any of it?
I haven't yet. We've talked about the bunch and

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I think that's kind of the next step for us now that we really
got the the workflow of the Throwbacks podcast going and I
think that's the next step. But here in like to kind of land
the plane here too, even here inlike what Matt has to do to get
back home for his younger kids and even always talks about how
he missed so much of his older son Cole's games.

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Like, you know, it really, it's a blessing and a curse.
And so of course it's a blessingbecause you have a great job and
it's something you love. But you know it, being away from
the kids so much must be really hard, especially when they start
playing sports. Yeah, yeah.
And Cole's an absolute stud. It's been fun to kind of watch
him grow from like the little boy we met a million years ago.

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And now he's Where's he on SMU? SMU, he turns, he turns 19 this
week, SMU in January, so graduating early.
So we're going through all of that, the transcripts and all
that have got a couple games left in the season playoffs and
then yeah, dude, we're sending him off to college, which is
it's crazy, dude. It's, it's, it's been the

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greatest thing and, and I know you've had such an impact with
obviously the you think and you sports and all that.
And you and I have talked about a little bit just coaching kids
like it's been, it's been so like just, I'm, I'm a very proud
dad to watch him go to college because it's not easy, man.
It's been, there's been a lot ofups and downs.
There's a lot of hard times, a lot of learning time times.
And we're finally sort of at the, we're at the finish line,

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so to speak, right. We just got a little bit more to
push him over, but I'm excited for his future.
Dude, he's he's worked hard, he's got all the talent in the
world. You know, he, he can do it and,
and I'm hoping he just enjoys it, man, and, and, and realizes
the opportunity right that he has.
But yeah, it's been fun, dude. It's just crazy, man.
It's like, like like Jerry said,just miss missing the games on
Friday. Absolutely just breaks my heart,

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dude. It just it, it kills me, but I
stream it. I stream it, I watch it.
I'm I'm yelling through the TV screen every Friday.
I get it, man, it's the hardest thing.
All right, well, that's the perfect segue.
Again, appreciate you guys joining me our our show here.
You think we love having conversations with as many
different people as we can. Of course, our lane, our world

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is youth sports, the parenting, the crazy stories, the really
good things that are coming out of sports and you know, just
having the opportunity to just talk to people that are coming
at it from all different perspectives.
So with that being said, like I want to hear your guys stories,
like my favorite thing, you talkto Olympians, Super Bowl
winners, famous actors, and we've had multiple different,

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you know, all sorts of differentpeople on but like everybody has
their like big youth sports moment and like, it's not
winning the Heisman Trophy, it'snot playing Super Bowls.
It's like, dude, at 12 you pop Warner with the Mustangs, right?
Like, so I want to hear your I'mJerry.
I'm going to start with you because we've heard Matt's
stories. We we know.

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I actually have a great story for you after this that.
You've not heard great, Jerry. I want to hear like, give me
your best, like growing up as a kid, Like give me your best,
best youth sports memory. So I grew up in Bensonhurst,
Brooklyn, late 80s, early 90s. So single mom raised my brother
and I, and my brother has never played nor really watched a

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sport he didn't have money on inhis life.
He still thinks Peyton Manning'sin the league.
I, my mom was a huge Yankee fan.My mom always watched sports.
So I get all the sports stuff from my mom.
I, I, I feel like I subbed in for my brother.
He walked off the Little League field when he was like 9 and I
was 7 and I took his spot and I never let it go.

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So I'm just a sports junkie. My favorite memory early.
I mean, man, we were one game away from going to Williamsport
in the Little League World Series.
And it was like, I'll never forget this.
Talk about coaching, Greg, and Iwant to hear your thoughts.
You know, the final tournament to get there was in Connecticut
because it's the tri-state area.And we got to this hotel ragtag

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group of kids from Brooklyn who never left Brooklyn.
The hotel had an indoor pool. We didn't even know they made
indoor pools back then, right? So after every game, we were
like, the underdogs are whippingteams.
And then we go in the pool, right?
We get to the finals to go to Williamsport and the coach says,
guys, no one's going in the pooltoday.

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And we're like, why? Well, I don't want anyone
getting hurt before tomorrow. I don't want anyone getting
sore. You guys are horsing around.
No pool before the final game tomorrow.
And we got so tight at that moment and all of a sudden it
was like, whoa, this must be really important if we can't go
in the pool. And we got shelled 16 to one in

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the final. Who'd you play?
It was a team out of Kinetic. It was a team out of
Connecticut. None of them were big, but these
kids hit line drives back up themiddle.
Every every every every batter hit a bullet back up the middle.
I felt bad for a center fielder but I just.
I never forgot that my coach banned us from the pool and we
got so scared and nervous off ofthat.

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I get it. And listen, I've probably in my
youth coaching days, overdone. Like you're so close, but you're
like, no one can get hurt. Your arms are going to be sore
from splashing, right? You're like making up shit in
your brain. But man, there's also an element
with these young kids like ignorance is bliss.

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Like let them that you could swim in the pool before the rec
league All Star game or you could do it in going to
Williamsport. Like it's almost like the
keeping it normal, keeping the routine, keeping everything the
same. It feels like the pool was like
your guys juice and then it got taken away in your kryptonite
and you guys, you lost your mojo.

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You got kids from Brooklyn. That's the moral of the story.
We got to get kids in Brooklyn more in the pool and exactly,
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Now back to our episode. All I can think of is indoor
pools is like you go in there and the chlorine is just so

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overwhelming your chest burns for three.
Days, bloodshot eyes. Can't see, but that's incredible
man. One game away.
Yeah, I never forgot that. That's always stuck with me.
And then for me, you know, once obviously DNA and genetics
caught up and I still play it asmuch as I could till around
sophomore year of high school, but I never dropped sports.

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It's such a big part of my life.And to land the plane, one of
the biggest blessings of Entourage was how much it
clicked with athletes. For some reason, less with
actors and more with athletes. And I've had some amazing
encounters with athletes over the years who just related to
Entourage in their own way. So in my own way, I got, you
know, I got an inside look into professional sports and being a

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professional athlete. That's awesome.
Well, you talk about DNA, it's because liner took all of the
DNA. In the world.
He got it all. 7 feet tall throws it a mile.
Left. Handsome.
I mean we can go down the list. You're describing yourself,
Greg, Describing yourself. Dude, I don't have a Heisman
Trophy. But no all seriousness, dude,

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like we all you played an arguably the biggest, the most
memorable, whatever you want to classify it.
You're not that national title game your career Reggie, you USC
with Pete was like you guys werelike the 33rd NFL team, so to
speak, as far as popularity like, but I'd be curious like

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what are your best sport? Like?
Do you, do you go back further than that or like, because I
know I go back to like high school playing with the boys,
like not Super Bowls, not I'd becurious with with everything
you've done, how far do you go back?
Man, the best, Well, two things.The best football, the best
experience is high school football there.
To me, there's nothing better than Friday Night Lights with

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your boys, right? I mean, and, and three, I mean,
my 3 best friends still to this day were my high school
teammates and they never played college, but we still talk all
the time. My, my, my youth sports
experience was predominantly baseball.
I was, I've told, I've told the story before.
I was a pitcher, I was a big lefty.

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My dad played at LMU, played in the minors for a little bit.
My brother played high school baseball.
He was five years older than me.So I just, I was like, I looked
up to my brother, my dad, and that's what I played.
I played flag football a little bit for my school, little bit of
basketball that was, I was decent at, but baseball was my
ticket. And so I, you're talking about
Williamsport. I'll never forget, man.
One of my greatest memories is we played for Fountain Valley.

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We played pony at that point, Pony was a lot bigger than
Little League for, for in our, in our area in Orange County.
And we were really good FountainValley youth baseball.
We, we went to the Pony World Series or the Bronco World
Series like 3 years in a row from like 9:00 to 12:00 or
something like that. And I'll never forget, dude, I
was 11 years old. We played up in Monterey, CA and

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you had to win like your district, SoCal.
Then we would go up to Pacific Grove, which was like the West
Coast, which is US, Hawaii, those types of teams.
And then it was the World Seriesand in the World Series that
year it was Puerto Rico, ChineseTaipei, Seoul, Korea, and then
all the national teams. And so we always had a little B

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for like, Oh, we're better than all the Little League Williams
sport teams because we're, we'repitching from further back.
These were the pony rules or whatever.
And my, my story is this dude, Iwas pitching and I, and I was, I
was the young kid on the 12 yearold team.
So I think I was 11 on the 12 year old team.
And I this when I Greg, I was big and fat as shit, dude, I was
so fat, but I was throwing heaters.
Dude, I had a little, I had, I had, I was, I was throwing gas.

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I had a very weak curveball and like a decent change up right.
So I had enough mixed nick, mixed speeds and we're in like
the bottom of the six or something.
It's how you can draw it up. Like they, they bring me in,
we're up like 4-3, whatever it was a couple runners on, they
bring me and I have to get this big old righty hitter out there.
4 hitter for Puerto Rico and I'll never forget this.

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So I'm in there, I'm warming up and all of a sudden and these
kids from Puerto Rico looked like they were 16, dude.
And we were all 10, I swear. To God it might have been.
It might have been day. Yeah.
Danny Almonte of. Course from the.
Bronx, he was. He was New York, right?
Yeah. Bronx.
Yeah, he, he, there was eight ofthose kids and they start
chanting. Puerto Rico Puerto.
Rico and my brother, I'll never forget my brothers like USA and

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I'll I literally get get goosebumps and I'm up on the
mound and this I always say thisis part of like I probably why I
like playing quarterback becauselike you just kind of like
those, those pressure situationsand Long story short, I'm like a
eight pitch at bat and I finallystrike him out.
Dude, I just, I just threw a high heater and we start
celebrating dude. It was probably it's probably

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one of the greater I still remember to this day.
It was such a great moment. And then like I tore my arm like
2 years later going into high school and that's when I quit
baseball and focus on football. So you know, everyone's path is
super different. Mine is kind of crazy.
Like I never, and I always say this just to end it, Like I
don't think I loved football like how I should have if you

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know how it is, like you got to really love the game at the
highest level like that if you want to succeed.
And obviously I played at the highest level and all those
things, but like, I love baseball, man.
That was like my thing. Like still to this day, Dodgers,
baseball, my kids, all that. So that's one of my core youth
sports memories, dude. I love it.
It's funny because I I think back on on my high school.
I played for my dad like quintessential old school.

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I lived in North Jersey, Jerry, so not far from.
You. Oh no.
Way right outside, right outside, right outside of the
tunnel, like down Route 3 in North Jersey. 20 minutes from
Giant. From the Meadowlands.
Yeah. Only Jersey people still call it
the Meadowlands. I guess everyone else calls it
like. MetLife.
Not MetLife. It's always the Meadowlands.
It's the Meadowlands. So like I grew up, my dad was
our football coach, hard nosed, tough on us.

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All my brothers played football and whatnot.
But like I think back in like winning my high school state
championship, coming off with your buddies and going to the
Outback after the game. Like people always ask me to
like, you know, was it the SuperBowl, Pro Bowls, you know,
playing at Miami against Floridain the Orange Bowl, like some
really cool moments. I'm like, there was nothing
cooler, man than on a Friday night playing with your buddies.

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The whole school was coming. The other team hated your guts
and you just went out there and beat the brakes off.
I'm like, that was sports at itspurest.
And it didn't matter if it was football, basketball, whatever.
It was Fast forward now and a big reason why I like do this
show and love having these conversations a cuz you get to
reminisce with the boys about the good old days.
But dude, this summer I'm coaching my kids 12 year

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baseball team and we go to Cooperstown, New York, which is
like a rite of. Passage.
For boys, we're playing teams from Hawaii, California.
It was super cool. So dude, we're living in a
barrack with 14 boys. Me and two other coaches, old
school barracks, were eating crustables like Uncrustables for
lunch. But dude, we make a run and we
make it to the finals. There's like 100 and something

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teams. We make it to the finals.
So I'm standing on the field, there's fireworks, they're
singing the national anthem. I'm standing here.
I'm like, I've been in a Super Bowl pregame.
I've been in BCS bowl games backwhen that was a thing.
I don't know if I've ever been more nervous.
I was getting goosebumps. I'm looking around.

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I'm like these 12 year old kids.Unfortunately for them, this is
the best moment they'll ever hadand they have no idea.
True. And man, there's just something
so pure and unique about the whole youth sports journey and
it's just cool to hear. For the most part, regardless of
what you, what levels you go to,or where you grow up, everyone's

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experience is kind of the same. How about Greg, like you say
that and how many nights of sleep have you lost coaching?
Because I know you coach your kids football team and baseball.
Like I've told Jerry this, like I coached, I've coached
baseball, like the youth basketball, but the football for
us, like I coached Cole in the flag football, which is, you

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know, 5 footballs big. It's, it's growing up and it was
super competitive as it got older.
And my wife would always make fun of me because I'm watching
film like I'm, I'm like, becausethey would film our games, which
is really cool in this league. I'm drawing up plays.
I and we went to the Super Bowl like 6-7 years in a row.
We won most of them, but like, Ilost probably 3 weeks of my life
just just because of the stress.I couldn't sleep the night.

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But she's like, they're 12. I said, yeah, but you have no
idea how important and how much this means to me and the team
and all this stuff. So I'm right there with you,
dude. Like, I can only imagine cuz my,
my nephew's going to Cooperstown, I think this summer
cuz he'll be 12. And a lot of kids from Manhattan
Beach went when Cole was 12. And I've heard nothing but, but
just like, it's the experience, right?

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Like they'll never forget that experience.
But yeah, it's, it's dude. It's I've lost a lot of.
We just had our last middle school football game.
I don't think I was a functioning member of my.
Family. For like a good two weeks, like
if I was home, I was in my office, I had papers scattered.
I'm doodling, sketching. How are we going to stop this

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running back? What fronts can we present to
give them trouble in the run game?
Like it became obsessive. And my wife would be like, are
you nuts? And I'm like, do you want to
lose? Do you want to?
Lose. Do we care about winning in this
House? I mean.
Everybody but like Jerry and I'dbe curious your take on this
because like you guys on what I love about your show is you guys

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get like all different people, great stories, pop culture
reactions, like you guys have had some pretty fun, pretty
cool, like youth sports on the really good side and on the Oh
my God, these people are nut side.
Like what are your favorite kindof stories?
Like like are you do you love like watching like the dad loses
shit at the game, the coach? Like what?
What is your favorite one to come across where you just you

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look at it, you're like, these people are nuts.
I mean, because I've been the nuts guy before, if I'm being
honest. So my kids right now currently
are 6 and 4 and. So you're in it.
I'm in it in a different way their.
Favorite sport by right now, they don't have time and they're
falling behind. And there's something I do want
to discuss with you if we have aminute on this show, because I I

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do need a little advice on how to handle my older son.
But so far to this point, it's been pretty chill, right?
Because they're so young. But I have seen like, you know,
you could spot the kid that maybe is already a little
advanced and already a little ahead of all the other kids at
this age. And and there was one kid who in

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coach pitch was just hitting like nukes, right?
This kid was like Otani, just like, what?
How far is he going to hit it? And he leaves and I heard the
dad talking and like they were going to another game, like a
whole different league. I'm like the kids like 6 years
old. And I was like, I finally
cornered him. I'm like, well, how many teams
is this kid a part of? And he's like a ringer already.

(22:01):
This kid like he plays up to 8 years old.
He's a full on professional 6 year old baseball player.
His service. I I want to say he has an INIL
deal already and I was just blown away at like also like I
remember when a kid was advancedat my age, it was like, oh,
that's like your star player. This kid is like a star in the
area already. And I've never seen anything

(22:22):
like that for us. I mean, we're talking about a
six year old, not 12 or 13 six. And this kid got his shoes, the
big league chew. He has a chain on this kids got
it. And I was just blown away and
very intimidated because that isnot my my boys at all.
Well, wait till you get to the part where they are 10 or 12 and
that same type of kid, instead of just getting in the car and

(22:46):
driving with dad across town to go play in the other rec league,
he's playing, you know, he's playing rec here and he's
playing Little League over here or whatever it is.
At that age, there's a time and my kids are in the thick of it.
I mean, we don't do it, but likeour age group, I'm saying that
kid is going to play a game in California and then he's going

(23:06):
to fly to Louisiana and he's going to play for a different
team the next weekend. And then he's going to be at a
big showcase event in Florida. And all these events, the
really, really good kids, they don't really necessarily have a
team. They have like a main team.
And then when they're not playing.
They're, they're not for sale, but yeah, they're.
They're for sale, they're being flown in, they're being paid

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their, their, their bills are being paid.
Their travel, their flight, their.
Hotel food. That's what I'm going to ask you
who covers all the travel and all the.
Those really big organizations, I know baseball better than I do
the other sports because our kids have done more of it.
But like in the baseball world, these teams are funded by
individuals, companies, big conglomerate industries that

(23:53):
have like charitable sidearm, like the main national teams
that are comprised of kids from all over the country.
Those teams are couple $100,000 a year teams, all in wow,
flights, hotels, stipends, food.Oh yeah.
We saw that we haven't seen. Anything yet?
Dude, wait, I'm telling you. Well, that's why I'll save my
question for aftermath. Well, your mind is gonna be

(24:15):
blown. Well, yeah, cuz my the baseball
thing again, I'm a little different cuz Cole played
baseball but he didn't love baseball.
So we were more the club hoops, which is out of his mind.
And I know baseball a little bitmore now because my brother
Greg, his son might be the same age as your boys or he's 10 or

(24:35):
11. So he's going to Cooperstown.
He's a stud catcher. Like he's he, they're all in on
club or travel baseball every week.
Just so you said it's it's wild.The club hoops thing.
I remember when Cole was like 5th or 6th grade and we're
playing in, in some of these Orange County tournaments that
are pretty big. A lot of the West Coast teams
and a lot of actually a lot of the kids now that are going to

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college were like we saw Coldplay and like there's some
of the top players in the country.
It's pretty cool. We there was a, there was a kid,
I forget his name. He played in one day in a pretty
big tournament on three different teams in the same
tournament. And it took and it was like we
just played him. He literally took his jersey off
and like an hour later had another jersey on playing for

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another team in the same tournament.
I was like. How does that happen?
How does it happen and to grace points like, well, one, a lot of
these programs want some of these kids to play from like,
you know, in basketball, it's a lot a lot of the names are like
players like so Russell Westbrook has team.
Why not? Paul Pierce has the truth out
here, which Cole played for for Paul Pierce's team.
There's there's Chris Paul has ateam, actually.

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He's big by us. Yeah, he's big by you, but
CP3CP3, so they've come out to the West Coast and play.
So like a lot of these obviouslyNBA players have their names
attached to their programs, but you know, to to Greg's point,
like it's it's it is like feast.They just feasting on these kids
trying to get them to play for their program.
It the club basketball was wild for me that that opened my eyes

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to be like, holy crap, dude, like this is.
And then just like it's a littledifferent than it's probably
more similar to baseball, but like football is a little
different because football is more the seven on seven circuit
and all that, at least for like the club part.
But like, and then you're right on top of the, you know, on top
of the court. So I saw dude one time.
I saw Matt Barnes, who I've become good buddies with because

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his boys were on the same. They're like a year younger than
Cole, but they were on the same kind of circuit, like almost
fought like Isaiah Ryder, who had a team, almost like all
these. Isaiah Ryder.
Isaiah Ryder had a team out of Arizona.
Anyway, it's just like, it's it's crazy, dude.
And yeah, I mean, you're in it now, Greg.
I'm, I'm going to be in it againhere in about 5 or 6 years with

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my 2 little guys. It's wild.
Jerry, I want to hear your, I want to hear what your OK, what
where your concerns lie. Well, here's here's where I'm at
with my 6 year old who all sports have kind of exploded for
him in terms of interest. But basketball being and maybe
because I'm a psycho Knicks fan in case you haven't figured that
out. Like the it's a different like I

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still love the Giants and football is still king.
But like, for me, because the torment that the Knicks have
given me for 46 years almost is enough to make me want to cry.
So he's kind of followed me. I took him to a Knicks game.
So basketball's exploded. He loves like today, you know, I
would taping this. I don't know when it's going to
air. Knicks play tonight.
He went in his Karl Anthony Towns jersey.

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But he's a weird kid in the sense where like he's so smart
about like the players and the stats.
Like he'll talk to you about Yabaselli, who's the Knicks
ninth guy that they signed for $2,000,000 a year.
He's not talking about Towns or Brunson.
He's like, I think Yabaselli really could take this team to
the next level. So the question is, he has all

(27:44):
this love and passion and knowledge at a young age.
I'm 5-6, not a spoiler alert. The DNA and genetics not on my
side. And they're showing so far.
And I heard PMT on your show where he said, if my kids grow
up and prove me wrong, great. And I'll say this to my son too,
Jacob, if you grow up and you'replaying somewhere, God bless
you. You prove dad wrong.

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Physically, the coordination is not there.
He loves to play, but he's now getting to a point where he's
getting put in some of these games and basketball and some of
the kids who aren't as knowledgeable just physically
are at a whole other level. And I don't want to kill the
spirit and the love that he has because it's it's infectious.
Like we go to sleep every night and we do 20 questions and he

(28:27):
asks me 20 basketball questions,random stuff like that.
Why are the Nets so bad? And I get to fill them in.
And I'm a little worried now as like they're asking me to coach
him and, and then it's like a 2 practices a week in the game
right now. He's not quite there.
And I, I haven't bumped him up to that next level.
I actually like held him back a little bit because it's, it's

(28:49):
comfortable for him. And am I doing him a disservice
by not throwing him into the notthe fire, but just, you know,
let him figure it out and, and mess up.
And, but he's only 6. So that's where I'm at.
Greg. All right, well, obviously I
don't have all the answers, but here's my initial.
Here's my initial. Just as my gut instinct on that
dude, he's 6. Just play, be on the field,

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continue to cultivate the love for the sport, be out there.
The nice thing about today's world and sports is the the
negative is there's a lot of decisions, right?
There's 1000 teams, 1000 different levels.
You can take it to a million different degrees of
competition. The nice thing is there is a
level for everybody, right? So like, I don't think you need

(29:36):
to throw him to the fire. I don't think at six years old
you need to figure out like, do you have that competitive spirit
to be up? He's six.
He should love it. He should go up.
And if he goes on a team and they're OK, who cares, right?
Like if he continues to learn the skills which you can help
him with as a dad, you can help him with as a coach or whoever

(29:57):
else is coaching. I'm like my biggest priorities
for all of this, for these, for my kids, especially as they're
getting older, but when they were young, is the person
they're around. If it wasn't me, is the person
they're around teaching them thebaseline skills of the sport.
The level of of of greatness, the level of is going to vary.

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What he is at 6 is going to be different than 8.
He's going to be different at 10.
It's going to always be different, right?
Like any moment in time, the best kid is no longer always
going to be the best. And the kid that was at the
bottom all of a sudden hits a growth spurt or all of a sudden
there's so many unpredictable variables.
If he loves the sport, talks about the sport, lives the

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sport, play the sport, man. Play it all day, play it every
day. If you have to adjust up, down.
Even we don't. A bunch of his friends are going
to play on some travel team at 8.
That doesn't mean he has to. Like keep the passion.
Keep the passion. We have this phrase now that
I've kind of like summarized allthis shit as we've done a

(30:59):
million of these interviews and just live through making bad
mistakes as parents. It is not a race to 12 years
old, no matter how many people want to tell you it's a race to
12. If you by 6th grade you got to
have your sport, you got to knowif you excel, you got to have
three trainers because you got to go all in.
Those people are full of shit. It is not.

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It is a race. By 18/17/18 we'll know what kids
have a future and what kids highschool is going to be.
And guess what? For the vast majority of kids
who high school was the end of their Rd., great.
You still talk about it. Memories, anyway.
Yeah, you still, both of you still talk about the high
school? Stuff.
Some of my best buddies from high school were just on my

(31:42):
basketball team or on my track team or on my football team, and
that was the last time they everplayed a competitive sport
outside of like, you know, intramurals in college or
something. And who cares?
Like whatever your destiny is, whatever your ceiling is, if
you're a hard worker and a greatkid who puts in the time,

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there's going to be varying degrees of God-given abilities.
We're not only going to be 65 throwing 80 from the left side.
Like my kids, like for as tall as I am, like my older son loves
sports, super competitive lefty.He's 14, he's not big now.
He might be big. He hasn't hit puberty.
He looks like a little boy compared to some of these men.

(32:26):
But people walk out of the thingand they're like, where's your
son? And they think he's going to be
the 6th 114 year old. He's not.
But like we tell him all the time, So what?
Like let's go compete, man. Just be as good as you can be,
and if you love it, you'll find a way to figure it out.
Do you worry? I'm curious, Greg, because
you're so like ingrained in thisand you kind of answer the

(32:49):
question, but is there a point where you like at some point?
Because I talked to my brother about this all the time and my,
my, my, again, my nephew solely baseball.
I play some of the other stuff, but like it's like all in and he
loves it and he's all in catching drills and this and
that. Like at what point do you start
like I would say specializing because I, I think kids should

(33:11):
play multiple sports as long as possible and I don't maybe it's
12. Maybe it's like, because I do
think there is a level of, of competition now that's more so
probably than we were younger because of all the access and
all this stuff. Is there a point where you're
like maybe at this age you can start to specialize or does it
like it probably varies from kidto kid you because I get asked
that question all the time and Iand I have 6.

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I have 5:00 and 4:00 and I'm already in my mind thinking like
gosh, my 4 year old is so talented.
I don't even know if he loves it.
My 5 1/2 year old would run through a wall.
He's not all there upstairs. He's half coordinator but the
dude just like. He's a beast.
Harder than anybody. So like, you know what I mean?
Like is there? Is there?
Is there a time when it's like you kind of have to start
pushing a little more, do you think?

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So I, I think it's, it's the $1,000,000 question that's
facing every parent in America. And I think there's a lot of
parents right now in America that are making decisions that
they don't even necessarily agree with.
Like they don't want to do it. But there is a reality for the
vast majority of kids in just their baseline athletic makeup
that if you don't at some point start putting all, especially in

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the baseball, the basketball, more of like the skill, you
know, the skill oriented sports.If you don't start putting in
that 12 month a year level, you're not going to play on the
varsity baseball team or the varsity basketball team.
You're not going to make that travel based travel AAU team or
volleyball or you know, for any of these sports because the
reality is so many of the kids you're competing against, that's

(34:39):
all they do. So like, they might not be as
good of an athlete as you. But if all I do is take BP all
year and all I do is do infield work and you just grab your bat
and your glove and you come ontothe field after a full season of
basketball, I'm probably going to be further ahead than you.
And over time you might pass me up.
But in this moment in time when coaches are so worried about

(35:00):
just win this moment, it's not about what you're going to be in
three years. My job's to win right now.
I don't have time to project youout.
They go, well, it's in my best interest to stop doing all these
other things because they're almost looked at like their
impediments to being on the 6th grade team or on that 12 year
old team or whatever it is. My, my approach with our kids in

(35:23):
our house is we are going to play as many different sports
for as long as we can handle it,right?
And now we're entering my, my older son is in 8th grade.
We just did a whole summer of travel baseball and summer
football, did a full fall of tackle football while also
trying to play fall baseball, which is very hard to do, but
football was like our priority the last three months.

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He had three days off and on Monday he walked into a school
and tried out for the 8th grade basketball team.
And today's get it. So like next week they start
games that will go through January, February 1st.
He's going to walk onto the baseball field and try to try
out to make the middle school basket baseball team.
As long as you can keep that going at some point you can't,

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right? Like at some point, as much as
we all love the glory of our, you know, our glory days of
going with our buddies from season to season, it's just not
the reality anymore. I would love for my kids
personally to get to high school, you know, could they get
to sophomore, junior year and then say, you know what, I'm 16.
I know how tall I'm going to be.I know how my skill sets align

(36:28):
with whatever sport I play. And I'm going to go all in to
try to have a great high school career, probably.
I'm going to. We're going to try to hold on as
long as we can because I just believe so much in what each
sport brings. Absolutely different.
Groups of kid, different types of kid, different coaching
styles, different skill sets, different.
So I think the kids that you seethat are the three sport Aaron

(36:51):
Judges of the world. Like, yeah, Aaron Judge could go
for 1000 yards at tight end and score 25 in basketball and then
hit forty home runs this senior year.
But like my kids, not Aaron Judge.
I don't know about your kids. There's not many.
So like, I think some so often we hear Patrick Mahomes and he's
yeah, but we're talking about like the elite athletes of the

(37:12):
world. They could walked into any sport
and pretty much been athletic enough to just figure it out.
Less and less kids fall into that category.
So the parents are just saying, you know what, we're going to go
all in on something and just overtime we'll be good enough to
at least have a good high schoolexperience, if not more.
That's that's kind of just the reality of the world we live in

(37:33):
nowadays. That's what I told my brother I
was like, because he's again, he's pretty hardcore with it
and, and, and he in a good way, he's trying, you know, but it's
like I said, what is like my biggest thing is like, what is
your goal for for him? Like what's your goal?
He's like, dude, I wanted to be a starter on the varsity
baseball team. That was it.
I said, all right, so then like just put everything you like.

(37:53):
You don't need to like at 9 years old, he doesn't need to be
playing 1000 baseball games, like like literally like every
day and all that. And it's just like, it's just
such a, like, it's such an interesting conversation about
this because like we just, we, we, we're in a different era
now. Like you said, it's just, it's
so competitive trying. Like, you don't want the

(38:15):
burnout, right, Which is the bigthing.
You don't want the burnout. You want to keep the love and
the passion and, and every kid is different.
So yeah, like it's it's one of those things where I know in the
next couple years, I'm already having the conversation with my
wife about 6U All Star baseball next summer.
And if this is for Pony. You're going to be the coach and
we're going to do the show 2 years from now and you're going
to be like everything I said I wasn't going to be.

(38:37):
I am on him. Oh.
Dude, Jerry, we're going to haveJerry on thinking about it when
Jerry's kids 10 and he turns into a dude, we're going to
have, we're going to have we're going to do a reunion here and
Jerry's going to be like guys hand raised.
I was wrong. I'm on the bench.
I'm coaching. I called an extra film session
because I didn't like the way webroke the press against the

(38:59):
Warriors last week. Like you watch every day that I
know that is early in their progress.
So, like, that's not going to beme.
I'm like OK. I see us maybe being like, I
don't know if you guys remember the movie Little Giants, Rick
Moranis's son was his analytics kid guy.
My son might be my analytics guy.
He's. Coming up on like the
annexation, the annexation of Puerto Rico.

(39:20):
Yeah, like Moneyball for basketball.
Ice box Hey, I'll tell you what if you had to put your if you
had to put your eggs in one basket for the future of your
kid. If your kid has that sort of
brain and that mind to process an analytics, the opportunities
in sports for a kid like that and the other five bazillion

(39:41):
kids that all have dreams of playing in the NBA and just are
living in La La land. Like the opportunity in sports,
especially for kids who love it.Your long term opportunities are
a lot better having that sort ofapproach than they are just
dreaming about dunking as a 510 white kid.
Yeah. How did you know I had that
dream every single night? For, well, we all did right?

(40:03):
Like Jerry? Could you ever touch the rim,
Jerry and. Your I was able to nip it at
5-6. I was able to like like.
Jerry, were you the guy in warm up lanes?
Like you came out and we all had, you had like like the snap
off pants. And I was in tents.
I had a hand. You can do a remember a college
layup where you could hit the where you could hit the
backboard. Clap it.

(40:23):
The clap has got that the that'sgone by the way style man
that's. Great, You can give me an idea.
Give me Jerry High School Jerry basketball seat.
You're in high school. You're a dude like talk me
through your warm up what your outfit it like I could just see
you headband do like just competitive.
I had a headband. I had a before the Steph Curry

(40:46):
dance, I had a mouth guard. Now this is 1995.
No one in basketball is wearing a mouth guard.
And it was the colors of the Italian flag.
I'm Italian, all right. Shaved head for sure.
Probably back then, I was playing in Jordan Fives, which
are like a boot. It's like 40 lbs of shoes
wearing socks. I went high socks all the time,

(41:06):
Keith. Van Horn in my brain, Keith.
Van Horn high socks Michigan baggy shorts like Weber and the
Fab 5 and then. But here's where I knew it was
over for me in like layup lines.Our rival was this high school,
Lincoln, right? Lincoln High School and they had
a star player on their team who happened to be Stefan Marbury.

(41:30):
And in the first quarter, when Isaw him catch a full court alley
oop at six one and pull it back behind his head and dunk it, I
said I need to figure out maybe I'll be a pharmacist or
something. What can I do when I get older?
That's not. Yeah.
And then somehow I came into acting like maybe I could
pretend to be a basketball player.
I played a golfer in the movie. That's the closest I came to,

(41:52):
like, a sports movie. But I knew right there I'm like,
there's levels to the stuff, andI am not near that level.
So Stephon Marbury ended my highschool basketball.
Lincoln Lincoln High School is like famous.
Is that where like is that Telfair?
Sebastian Telfair in Coney Island, Brooklyn.
They were so famous they had to put their games at Madison

(42:13):
Square Garden and they were on ESPN.
That's how famous. Sebastian Telfair was like, he
was the next coming, right? He's Marbury's cousin.
Yeah, he's Marbury's younger cousin.
Same school, same everything. Yeah, growing up, growing up in
North Jersey, New York and New Jersey, North Jersey basketball,
I mean, he was South Jersey. We had like, oh God, the kid

(42:33):
that went to Camden, his his sonnow is playing Duan Wagner.
Oh yeah, yeah. And St.
You know, we had Saint Anthony'swith, with the Hurley's and
Saint Patrick's and St. And then every year there was
like the New York versus New Jersey All Star game.
Jersey was always. So did you, did you ever play
Bergen Catholic? Greg, did you play Bergen
Catholic? We didn't play them.

(42:55):
They were. I went to public school, They
were in the private school. League because that's where
Cushing went. So, Brian?
Cushing went. They're still loaded, Don Bosco.
So like the football schools were like Bergen and Bosco and
then but then the basketball school, St.
Patrick's, Saint Anthony's, Saint Benedict's, and then you

(43:16):
had the New York schools and oh man, it was New Jersey and New
York basketball was real. Were you like the guy though
that leading into the game you're like talking all up your
buddies and we're going to box them out.
I. Was the high man I used to
bring. It was my boom box I had to
bring. And long before your Spotify
playlist, right? What was your what was your warm
up song? What was your song God?

(43:37):
Don't go back to. Night I remember ours in high
school. In 95, the Tupac Biggie that
was. Like I think it was like it was,
it was well, biggie for sure because we were Brooklyn kids.
So of course there was definitely.
Where Brooklyn at? Yeah.
Kicking at the door. If it wasn't, that's a mistake.
By the way, Greg, you're giving me the best visual of Jerry
walking into. A high I'll send you pictures,

(43:58):
I'll send pictures. I literally can picture you and
everything you're saying is likein my brain.
I'm like, I know exactly who youwere and you would have been my
best friend. By the way, this guy is like the
Celebrity Basketball All Star MVP back in the.
Day every year. Because I'm the only one who
takes it seriously. I have a beach ball MVP and a
celebrity basketball game MVP because I'm the only one who

(44:18):
tries and like I actually get mad at guys who like actors who
come in there and like either don't try or never played
before. I'm like, why watching here go
home? I'm.
Going to ask you guys a serious question and it's one of my
favorite things to ask the guys that we have on, guys and girls
that we have on. But like we talked so much
about, like if the idea of youthsports was to create

(44:38):
professionals, we should just disband the industry because
it's broken, right? Like that.
If that's your goal, then you should just stop because the
odds are not in your favor. Jerry, I'm going to start with
you. Like what's something you take
from like all the fun, the cool story, you know, the jokes and
the fun, but like, what's something you reflect back on
now with all you've accomplishedin a way different industry than

(44:59):
sports that you look back on? You're like, I'm not sure if I
would have done it without this lesson, without this moment.
Like what about that youth sports experience?
Besides the wins, the losses, the fun, but like really made an
impact that you carried forward and and and paid off in a whole
different light than in your early sports days.

(45:20):
It's a great question and it's something I think about like how
do I get that from my kids? Because it really did help me
was again, not always being the All Star, but I knew at a young
age like, OK, you know what? I'm a great on ball defender.
I'm like Dellavedova, I'll houndyou 90 feet.
I'm going to be the best at thatone thing, like understanding

(45:41):
your role, right? And then when acting comes into
my life later, again, like not being the tall, handsome leading
man. I'm not starring in ROM coms,
but I I have this relatability. So you know, I'm going to be the
best I could be at like the thing that I know I can do.
And it really was transferring all that stuff from youth sports
and, and also really helped me with losing to be honest.

(46:05):
Like acting is like worse odds than baseball.
Forget if you bat 300 with acting, you're like Marlon
Brando, you're lucky if you get 2% of the parts you try out for.
So understanding and like knowing like yes, it's
competitive and you got to have that dog in you, but also
knowing like the rejection is just part of the journey.
You got to keep going. You can't let the loss or not

(46:28):
getting the part be the thing that you wallow in because then
when that next one comes along, you're not going to be ready.
So I took so much from all of it.
And that's the stuff I really hope for my kids, in addition to
all the friendships. And to be honest, all the the
parts I've gotten in the last 10years have been because I I play
pick up basketball and golf, right?

(46:48):
So it's led to like a whole social business part of my
career. That's been great.
And now the show with Matt. But for me, it was like how to
handle winning and losing and also understanding, Hey, you're
a role player on this team because that's how acting sets
are. There's roles, there's
different. They function very much like a

(47:08):
professional sports franchise, like big TV sets like Entourage,
right? And so, but take that analogy of
sport and apply it obviously to the show.
We all could name every episode in every line.
But like breakdown, that role, those dynamics, I think people
would be fascinated to hear likeon the set, how that all played
out. Well, let's just say 1 actor out

(47:30):
of the main five had a little late in this problem for a lot,
a long period of time. Right now, we're not like late
in the way like, oh, we're goingto miss kickoff.
But if you're an hour late on the set, that's thousands and
thousands of dollars, right? And you have hundreds of people
who are standing around waiting for you to do their job so they

(47:50):
can get home to their families. So that's one way.
Or it's like, well, who's going to be the one that we had to
have a players only meeting? Essentially, we had to have an
actors only meeting where we were like, yo, this got to stop.
Like it can't happen anymore. You're going to you're going to
mess this all up and you're screwing with a lot of other
people who do a lot of work thatyou don't see.
And that's not cool. So we had the actors only

(48:12):
meeting in a trailer, like it was a locker room.
And I was all excited for it. I couldn't wait to leave that
meeting. I live for that.
And how did it go? Did it fix the problem?
It absolutely fixed the problem 100%.
And, you know, every year we have a big wrap party like
that's kind of like our version of, you know, the season's

(48:34):
ending. You have your exit meetings and.
He's got all the line. It functions very much to me.
I saw as a sports franchise, it's.
Awesome. Matt, I'm going to pose the same
question to you and obviously different.
You know you stayed in the sports path, but like what about
your journey was shaped by like 1 critical moment or one

(48:56):
critical lesson early on? Yeah, there there was the whole
the word adversity that we obviously throw around a lot
like the cliche in sports. You got to go through adversity
and makes you better on that thing.
But it's it's true. And I was thinking about this
and, and it that moment, which I'll talk about in a second, led
to me to being a a parent to my oldest and how he was going to

(49:18):
handle it. It was such a teaching moment
for me to him. A couple years ago.
I remember at when I tore my armpitching baseball, playing
baseball. I had they told me I had the arm
of like a 50 year old pitcher at15 overuse whatever it was.
And I was just getting into football that time.
And my doctor said you'll probably never be able to throw

(49:38):
again. As you can imagine, having boys
get into that age, my life was over.
It was devastating. So this, this adversity hit me
at such a young age. And then I was kind of
rehabbing, kind of getting back.And I remember I, my dad was
like, Hey, you can, you know, you can be depressed and you can
quit all these sports or you can, or you can attack this

(49:59):
rehab, you can get better and get stronger and we'll see what,
you know, my dad was great. You'll see where you end up,
right? And I was like, all right, let
me do that, right. So I was kind of faced with this
big thing at a young age that I didn't fully comprehend at the
time. Fast forward a couple years
later, I'm at, I'm now learning quarterback, right?
And I'm this big long gangly kid.
But I could throw my arm, was feeling better and had AI had a

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quarterback coach, I won't name his name, tell me that I was
terrible and I'll never make it as a quarterback that I should
quit. And this was my, this was the
summer before my junior year in high school.
So this was like 2 years before USC.
And I remember that and, and it gets me fired up to this.
And I said, you know what, F you, man, I'm going to do
something. Like I'm going to do something.

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And it was, it was just dealing with the, the, the, the strength
and getting back from the rehab is all this thing.
So you Fast forward and obviously was able to play
football. So that, that was a moment that
I'll never, I'll never forget people telling me I couldn't do
something, struggling with injuries, all these things.
So 2 instances with Cole and I'll try to make it quick. 6th

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grade Arizona travel, travel ball basketball.
He's on a team, one of the one of the kids Co of Pete.
He's like the number one player in the country and I think he's
going to Kansas or Duke or whatever.
Actually, his brother's the lineman for the Saints.
Pete, you know, probably know his last name, Andres.
Andres. Pete and yeah, Andres Pete says
all his Big Brother. So Cole is this kid like yeah,

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Andres Pete. So he's he goes on this team and
Cole's pretty good. Like he's he's he's not starting
though. He's on the bench and he's just,
you know, he's he's pissed, right?
He's he's kind of, I can see it,his body language and and that's
the stuff I'm like the effort and all that, the attitude.
I'll never forget. We're driving back to the
airport and I said, I said, buddy, like, like, like it's not

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all you're not always going to be the best player on the team.
You're going to have these challenges, but the body
language, the effort, they ever like this is a moment where it
can it can push you this way andyou could grind and you can be
better and you can show that coach like, Hey, I should be
playing or you can quit, dude. And you can be that.
You can be that kid, like I gavehim that.
He's like, no, no, no, no, Fast forward the the same tournament
we go, we make a run in the finals.

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He had 30 points in the finals off the bench.
I had the video. I'll send you the video.
I made a little highlight. It was like 18 seconds.
He's playing a bull bulls nephew.
Like this team is ridiculous. And I never forget the moment
coming off and like hugging. I'm I say, you see that
conversation we had a couple weeks ago, dude, like that's
that's who you can be. The second story real quick was
freshman at Modern day high School and closely 3 years ago

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and modern day's premier powerhouse in high school
football and the best of the best go there from here.
And he's competing with the kid on the freshman football team.
Now he's the backup on varsity as well, but he's competing with
his kid and he was rotating and he was pissed.
He's like, I'm better than these, I'm better than these
kids. And he might have been, but the
coach was playing all like both of them and he was having good

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games. He's getting pissed.
He's like, why am I even here? I don't want to do this.
And I said, dude, like if you don't handle this, we're never
going to know how good you are in this.
Like you can't run from this stuff and sure enough and and
sure enough I said dude, just gobe great.
Go prove them that you need to play every like go be great.
He actually kind of got into it with one of the coaches, which I
actually kind of liked at the time.

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I was like good. It shows that you care and a
little bit of passion. I think this kid threw like 5
touchdown passes. The next week they beat Saint
John Bosco's freshman team, which a lot of those kids are
there. Everyone's all going off to D1
schools now. And it was, it was a full circle
moment for me as a dad, right? Like I dealt with it.
I dealt with like giving up at at a point, I dealt with

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adverse, I dealt with injuries, I dealt with all these things.
It's like, but it made me so much stronger and it allowed me
to give those two teaching points to my oldest, which is
something that you know, like, and again, still into this day,
like, like life is hard. You're still going through all
these things, you're still trying to teach them these
moments and being a dad as a coach to all that.
So those are the moments, man, that I'm proud of that that

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affected me, that's still affected that I've been able to
kind of pass along to my to my oldest.
That's awesome. Well, those are the stories that
everyone needs to hear because regardless of what your journey
is in sports, man, cherish thesemoments with your kids.
Cherish these moments as a kid because for the vast majority, I
mean shit, maybe all of them, itdoesn't ever get any better than

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playing sports with your buddiesas a kid.
Matt, Jerry, I can't thank you guys enough, man.
What you guys do at Throwback, You guys awesome.
I love watching your shows. You guys are funny as hell.
I'm looking forward to being a guest with you guys.
Yeah, we did a little home and home.
And do a little home and home. So now, now I'm gonna, we're
gonna flip it. And now we don't have to talk
about youth sports. We can talk about anything you

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guys want to. But just appreciate you guys
coming on here. Man.
Sharing stories as dad, Sharing stories as just regular guys,
man, sharing your unique journeys is super, super helpful
for our audience. I really appreciate you guys
taking a few minutes of joining us on You Think and look forward
to being on Throwbacks. Thank you for bridging the gap
dude. This is important.

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The youth, the youth, parents and all that with someone who
play at the highest level, honestly, what you like the the
message that you're sending and the coaching and the parenting
is awesome, dude. There's not a lot of guys doing
that, man, so. And let your kids go in the
indoor pool, Coaches, let them go in the indoor pool.
If there's one thing we got, that's it.
That is Jerry and his boom box in Brooklyn in 1995.

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I want to go back in time. I need to see it.
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