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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I want to bring my friend and crack reporter from
Complete Colorado dot Com, Sherrypife, on the show today about
her story that I just realized I did not put
the link on. When I will fix that momentarily about
some really interesting, well let's just say, placements at CEU
that have to do with washed up politicos.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Sherry, Welcome to the show. How you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I'm doing great, Thanks, Mandy, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm doing excellent.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
So.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I saw this story when it came out Friday, and honestly,
I wish I could say I were surprised. I'm not,
but the way this has gone down is a little
bit surprising in that it seems rather uh gosh, what's
the word.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm looking for?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It seems too blatant, I guess is the word that
I'm looking for.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
That maybe they would have tried.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
To hide the fact that politicos are getting plush jaws
at you, but they didn't, so tells the listening audience
what we're talking about here.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Well, and I think that's exactly it. I mean, I
don't think anybody would be surprised to know that when
CU does it's hiring, that they hire liberal, progressive folks
for those positions. I mean, that's just historically, that's what
universities do, especially CEU. But what Connor I was when
the most recent vice chancellor was hired, and he was
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a former sustainability officer in multiple different positions under the
Joe Biden administration, and then the timing of his job
at CU, which he was hired to do sustainability stuff
as well. The timing of his job at CU started
almost immediately following the ending of the Biden administration, you know,
(01:52):
the good yeah, right exactly, And it was a position
that was created, So it was a newly created position
that started immediately after his position ended under the Biden administration,
of which he also worked for Obama and Clinton as well.
But not only that was some there was some reports
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when he was initially hired. There was some reports in
some other newspapers about some of the CU regents being
extremely frustrated because he was the only applicant that they
brought forward. So when they brought forward here's who we're
going to choose from, he was the only one brought forward.
So you add to okay, there was a newly adopted
position or newly created position. The guy came from an
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administration that just ended, and he's making over three hundred
and fifty thousand dollars a year, I think is what
is in the story. It was that was surprising in
and of itself. But then the thing you know about
Complete Colorado is were owned by the Independence Institute and
people there have been there for a very long time,
so there's a lot of institutional knowledge going on. And
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somebody at I was like, you know, I think this
is what happened when Ed Pearl Mutters stepped down.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
So sure enough we went back and we looked. Sure enough,
when Ed Pearl Mutter decided not to run for reelection,
his chief of staff landed at CU for almost over
or actually for over four hundred thousand dollars a year
when you factor in benefits and everything. And that was
a newly created position that she started right after pro
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Mutter was done. And you know, Britney Peterson was sworn
into that office. So now we've got two jobs in
a matter of two or three years, four years however
long it's been. The Pear Mutter's been out where CU
has created positions four people who are losing their job
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in the in DC and these are healthy positions. I mean,
the two jobs together are over seven hundred and fifty
thousand dollars a year. There's some of the highest for jobs.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
What I'm looking at, is there some of the highest
paid for someone who's not an admin, right, I mean
these are jobs that don't necessarily oversee any students or
departments or anything like that. These are these are I
mean they're administrative physicians, but they're not directly in the
line of educational.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Purpose.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Do you know what I'm You know what I'm saying.
They're they're working in the in a different part of CU.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
So let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
They're an administration, Yeah, we're in administration. They're not they're
not contacting with the students. Yes, And I think the
gal that was hired from the promenor administration. At the
time she was hired, she was the fourth highest paid
employee at CU Boulder, and she was like three hundred
and twenty five thousand dollars a year. Well, I know,
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from having considered being going into positions with US congressional folks,
when I've looked at and talked to people about starting salaries,
guaranteed she was not making three hundred and twenty five
thousand dollars as at Pearlmetter's chief of staff. She was
probably making around half that, maybe a little bit more,
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but not that. And so these people are coming out
of these positions and they're doubling for income in some
in some cases for positions that See You is creating,
and it thinks of creating for them, you know, because
it just I'm not saying they are because I don't
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know that, but when you add it all up, that's
what it looks like. And then at the end of
the day, when I'm calling people that I know that
are close to this situation, going what is going on,
I learned that they have created another position that they
have just opened up for yet another guy who worked
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under Michael Bennett before he went and worked under Michael Hancock,
and now he's going to be at the issue don't
or at see You. Excuse me, I don't know what
his salary and stuff was, because that position is so
new that when I called See You, even the folks
in the communications department had not heard his name. Oh
my god, guarantee he's been hired. I guarantee he's been hired.
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Here's Gore to start I think sometime middle of March,
and I'm waiting to find out because there's also a
position in the media in the communications department that is
yet to be filled. All the curious to see who
feels that one, because it's so clear that that is
that's at least the pattern.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
So here's my question, Sherry. My question is this.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
You said only one candidate was presented to the committee.
Who decides which candidates get to that point where they
are then submitted to the committee, And does the committee
have the right to say, we're not hiring this person,
go find more candidates.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
You know, usually, and I can't speak for CEU, but
I can speak for experience in dealing with higher education, Generally,
when there's a position that is open, you'll have hiring committees.
So you'll have a committee of people that consists of
various department heads, faculty heads, even even just hourly staffers.
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They won't put together this hiring committee so that when
you go in, you do your interview with them, and
then that hiring committee gets back together and they talk
about all of our candidates, and they take a look
at who they've got, and then they'll generally narrow that
down to the top two or three candidates who they
will then send on to the next phase of the
hiring procedure, which in many cases is the board of trustees,
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the board of governors, whatever it is that oversees that
particular college. So in this case, if that's the way
so you handled it's hiring, then they would have narrowed
it down to just that one candidate and taken that
one candidate to the Board of Trustees and said this
is who we have to choose from. So you're telling
me that only one person to me, if you're going
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to only take one application to the board of trustees,
or excuse me, to the CU regents, if you're only
going to take one application to the CU regents and
say this is what we have, you're telling me you
only have one application, because I would hope that you
would have more than one person for the regents to
choose from. Exactly an application.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Was the job publicized and if so, this is how
they do this, sary.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
And I was told this by someone who worked for a.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Different university system. Not see you, but when I asked
a specific question about a certain job that had been
filled by someone that I thought was ill suited for
the role, and they told me that they coded the
job posting incorrectly. So say it was a job posting
in accounting, right, so instead of posting in an accounting
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they posted it in engineering, so no accountants would look
for it in the engineering section, but guests who did
their preferred candidate.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
So that's how they got around it.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
They quote posted it, but they posted it in the
wrong place where no one looking in that place would apply.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
And if you remember correctly, because I remember being on
your show talking about another story a couple of years
ago when Ian SILVERI landed that with Jefferson County, So
that is exactly how Ian Silvery landed that contract was
because the Jefferson County Department, the woman who's in charge
of posting those bids because those jobs have to go
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out for bid, and the woman who was in charge
of posting that coded it incorrectly and posted it in
a position that in a spot on the thing that
nobody else would look for it. So at the end
of the day there was only two applicants, and one applicant,
Ian Silvery's price came in way below the other applicant,
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so that of course we're going to hire him.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, this is the.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Motus operandi of the Democrats. This is how they do things.
They they post positions in places they're not supposed to
be posted. They can say they were posted, and then
there's a phone call made to somebody that said, hey,
you know, I don't want to go check out this job.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Did you talk to anybody at see you about this
or did you do any CORRA requests?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
To dig a little.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Deeper, yeah, I did do a quorper request. Well, I
did a coorper request on the chancellor's salary, the vice
chancellor salary, because that was not reported anywhere, and initially
it took me forever in a day to get a
response back, and then I finally got a response back
with his salary and a request that future CORRA requests
go to this particular position. And then when I then
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inquired about the newly created position with the Denver Metro
Regional officer, I sent it directly to where she had
told me, and I'm sorry I cannot remember her name,
but I sent it to where she had told me
to send these previous requests. She immediately responded back and said,
I don't know who this person is I've never heard
of them. You're gonna have to file a coorra request. Well, okay,
(11:00):
so the old switcheroo sherry right, And actually I never
filed initially, I never filed a query request because the
information that I was looking for is not something that
you're gonna find in a quorra. I would have had
to quorra like a contract or something. All I wanted
to know was how much he was making, because at
the end of the day, what his contract says is irrelevant.
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Here's the job, here's what he's making. That's what the
story was about. So I just asked the question, can
you tell me how much? So they responded to that one,
you know, after literally over a week, and then told
me to go here next time. So I'd go where
they told me to go the next time. And I
get a response back that says, you're gonna have to
file a querer request or it's not a quorra. There's
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a wait a.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Minute, the shary why can't we Why can't we quorra
where this was posted? I want to know where this
job you're telling me, For a job that makes that
kind of money in a university system, you're telling me,
one applicant applied, one one qualified applicant applied for these jobs.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
You know that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
And that core Yeah, that core A request would be
would would look very would So if you filed that
QURE request, which no, I did not, but if you
filed that CORA request, that CORE request could read something
to the effect of, I want copies of all of
the applications that were submitted to see you Boulder for
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this job. Yes, and that's what they would have. Then
they could then they would have to send you the applications.
That's going to be another fight on your hands because
then you're going to fight with CU over what is
legal and what's not legal to send you personal courts. Yeah,
courts have have ruled consistently that those are open to
the public. But in my past experience with CU, getting
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information out of SeeU is like pulling teeth. It just
it just doesn't They find every Like I said, you know,
they sent me on a wild goose chase just for
this this small five hundred story, just to let people
know what's going on at CU. Now a follow up story.
They would probably take a month of Sundays to get
that explanation out of them if you got it.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Yeah, I need that is so you know, this is
so disheartening on so many levels, Sherry, because you know,
I want our universities to be sort of these these
islands of academic freedom and bastions of deep and robust
discussions about difficult topics. But the more that the administration
is politicized, and when you bring in nakedly partisan people
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who have made their entire careers supporting candidates of one party,
it gets harder and harder to believe that that's even
possible on these campuses. And this is the kind of
stuff that makes me crazy because there seems to be
some kind of straight line between democratic politics and CU Boulder,
and I just want to know where who started the
straight line on the other side.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Right exactly? And I actually had that conversation with somebody
when I said, you need to know. Please know that
we would be doing a story at Complete Colorado if
all three of these candidates that were hired were all
three Republicans that I had worked for as strategists for
Republicans as well, because nobody reads this story, can read
this story, and I don't care what side of the
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aisle you're on. You can't read this story and go, oh,
these are just coincidences. No, they didn't hire just Democrat supporters.
They didn't hire just liberals. They literally hired people who
had just left their job as a Democrat strategist for
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an elected official in Washington, d C. Even this guy that,
this Nigel, that has been hired for this other job
worked for Michael Bennett. Then he went and worked for
Michael Hancock. They are purposely hiring democratic strategists for these physicians.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, and that does not scream.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
You know, everybody has the same academic freedom at CU Boulder.
Sherry Price a great story idea. Did fix the link,
so now it is linked on my blog. You can
always find her work at complete Colorado dot com. Uh,
this is Sherry. There's got to be a dartboard with
your face on it at many educational institutions at this point,
between you and Jimmy Segenberger, we're gonna we're gonna yank
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this thing right before too long, I hope. So man, Yeah,
all right, thanks Sherry. I appreciate the time today and
the work on this story.