03-20-25 FULL SHOW - Dems Trying To Make Attempted Murder Easier

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Yale?

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Yale?

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You know, aren't they playing ball? I believe they're one
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How much None.

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I just checked my non existent bracketead.

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I didn't do a.

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Bracket this year either. I've been I was so busy yesterday,
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And then I didn't get home last night till like seven.
It was a long day and I woke up this morning.
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wake up the alarm goes off my eyes are open,
my feet hit the floor. I stand up.

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I'm ready to party.

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I listen to so I agree.

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No, No, I.

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Really am that way. I am that way naturally. I
am an early bird. I am an early riser. I
am a wake up quicker. And this morning the alarm
went off and I was like, so together, we'll get
through this show. But I think we can do it.
It's a Thursday, one more day till the weekend.

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Got that going for.

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Us, why don't we jump in and do the blog.
You know there's a rod you have to Okay, I'm
not even gonna tell him tell me to remind me
to do this, because it'll remind me right now and
not when I actually need him to remind me to
do it, which is when we referenced. When I referenced
could up, No.

Speaker 7 (02:55):
I didn't remember because you already said.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
And I sat myself from asking you to remind me
because that's exactly what you were going to do. I know,
I've got to tell people later on in the show
how to find the blog, because all of the people
listening now they know to go to Mandy's blog dot com,
and uh, I forget to remind people of that. When
I reference it later, so I will remember. I don't
need any reminders from anyone. I will just automatically remember that.

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Find the blog, even though all of you early birds
know by going to Mandy's blog dot com. That's mandy'sblog
dot com. Look for the headline that says three twenty
twenty five blog DEM's trying to make attempted murder easier.
Click on that and here are the headlines you will
find within. Remember later to tell people how to fight.

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Go ahead, Path of American.

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All the ships and clippers and say let's go to
Press Flint.

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I remember later later when I'm telling people about the blog,
you remember you Sure? I'm positive I don't need any
more reminders.

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Okay, I have you be with office half of American,
all the ships and clippers, and say let's go to
Press Flint.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
Today on the blog welcome it's this spring. There's actually
a bill reducing penalties for attempted murder. Richard Oltar fluants
to be GOP chairman. Johnston and Polis are responsible for
gang activity. Three Peblo police officers are hospitalized because of
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are out of step with America, an agency where federal
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fill out March madness brackets? Does wearing a hat make
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from space? I'm here for the concert matinee. The Declaration
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the White House is dunking on social media? Judge Frankcaprio
gives out great life advice and your poop schedules says
stuff about your health. Those are the headlines on the
blog at mandy'sblog dot com.

Speaker 6 (05:25):
And I'm just gonna yep, I'm gonna let.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
You get to that story at the bottom of the
blog on purpose. See what I did there? See what
I did?

Speaker 7 (05:32):
Put it at the bottom. No, really, you should go
to the top of the blog first, and then number two.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
All right, yeah, yep, yep, that's thing hanging fruit.

Speaker 6 (05:41):
Come on, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
I got a couple of guests on the show today.
We have, first of all, Representative Jarvis Caldwell. Who I think, Ayron,
don't you think the name Jarvis Caldwell. It sounds like
the alter ego of a superhero, rights you know, from Ironman,
But Jarvis Caldwell sounds like the unassuming alter eco.

Speaker 6 (06:01):
Yes exactly, mister Caldwell.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Yes, kind of, but also a secret agent. It's a
butler who pretends to be a butler, but that's just
his cover id. He's actually a superhero.

Speaker 7 (06:15):
James Bond, but cooler, Yeah, exactly, and more helpful.

Speaker 8 (06:19):
Way more helpful, very much more helpful.

Speaker 5 (06:21):
In any case, Jeeves. Representative Jervis Caldwell is coming on
the show today. He tweeted this out yesterday and I
saw it and I thought, surely I can't be seeing
what I think I'm seeing. And then I said to myself,
don't call me surely, but you know, we have suffered
in Colorado incredibly bad repercussions for criminal justice reform that

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has happened under the Democrats since they took complete power.
We we became the number one country, number one seat
in the country for Carthoff's. The number two cause of
death for people I think fourteen to twenty one is
now fentanyl overdoses. We have a pr system that allows

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criminals to get booked in to jail and they are
out out the jail before the police officers even can
finish you in the paperwork. All of these things have
given us a situation where our violent crime has gone
up and is coming down now, but not at the
same rate that it's coming down nationwide.

Speaker 6 (07:32):
And it's almost like when you.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
Decriminalize criminal crime, criminals are attracted here. Criminal syndicates have
set up shoplifting rings, they have set up car theft rings.
Drug dealers carry below one gram of fentanyl now because
they know that anything more than that is going to
be a felony, but they can still carry one and
have it just be a ticket. I mean, these policies

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have been an abject failure. They've been an unmitigated disaster.
The only people they have helped are criminals. We've made
it so easy to commit crime here, and now you
have three Democrats who sponsored a bill that is going
to lower the penalties for certain kinds of attempted murder.

Speaker 6 (08:18):
I don't I genuinely am confused.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
I don't understand why only people in the center right.
Maybe people in the center left can see it too.
I'm going to give you guys credit for having some
sense about you on this matter, But how can you
look at what we've done in Colorado in terms of
quote criminal justice reform and look at the end result

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and not recognize that there's probably a connection there. Now,
I know correlation does not equal causation. I understand that,
I get it. But when we're moving in one direction
and other states are moving in the opposite direction, or
even within our own state, Denver is moving in a
bad direction. Colorado Springs, who has invested a lot more

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in their police force, the size of their force in
terms of the chunk of their budget, there's sing crime
move in a more positive direction. At some point, even
left wingers have to start to recognize that perhaps their
focus on making things easier for criminals is hurting other

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innocent people who don't deserve to be hurt. I would think,
now here's the kicker here. From my personal feelings about this,
I'm one.

Speaker 6 (09:35):
Of those people.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
I've actually been called a bleeding heart liberal because I
support prison programs that truly work to offer rehabilitation to
prisoners who earn the right to participate in such programs.

Speaker 6 (09:47):
And let me explain, I am.

Speaker 5 (09:49):
An enthusiastic supporter of programs that reward good behavior in
prisons by allowing prisoners to tap into resources to do
things like graduate from high school, get post secondary training
for a trade, or even get college credit. Because I believe,
after you've served your time time that is given to
you by the justice system, you deserve a second chance.

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Now what you do with that second chance is entirely
up to you, but we should offer people who go
to prison recognize the error of their ways opportunities to
better their lives while they are also in prison, so
when they come out, they can have a much better
shot at being a productive member of society. You know,
I'm a big believer in that stuff, So I'm not

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one of those people walk them up, throw away the key.
But at the same time, attempted murder. Think about that
for a second. Someone has been convicted of the crime
of actively trying to take someone else's life. Now I
realize there's situations that could be heat of the moment,
it could be into self defense, a lot of different
variations here, but ultimately, their goal, as determined by a jury,

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was that they were trying to take someone else's life.
And now we have three Democrats that are like, you know,
I think we're too hard on those people. I think
we're too hard on them. We're not hard on them.
And again, we can have both of these attitudes these
and I want people to pay a price. I think
that if someone commits a crime with a firearm and

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they are caught with a firearm committing that crime three times,
they should face life in prison. I truly believe that.
I want people to have a chance to be rehabilitated.
But three strikes with a firearm and you're out. I mean,
this is really draconian. For the people in Colorado into
the Gold Dome, their idea of justice is letting someone

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who's been convicted by a jury out of jail sooner
because of the color of their skin. That's just patently absurd.
There was a story I saw today. I did not
put it on the block because I didn't care that much.
One of the drug dealers that was given clemency by
Joe Biden was almost immediately re arrested for gun in
drug possession and is now headed back to That's one.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
The criminal justice system is.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
I don't understand the democratic obsession with helping criminals. And
I say this again as a person who says, look,
we should offer people the opportunity to be rehabilitated. We
should offer people who go to jail for drug crimes
the opportunity to get significant drug treatment while they are
in prison. Not just hey you're clean now, but no,

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do the kind of therapies and stuff they do in
the programs that I support at step Denver or the
other Side Academy. I support all that stuff. But I
also support putting people in jail when they break the law.
I'm perfectly fine with that. Anyway, we're going to talk
to Representative Jarvis Caldwell.

Speaker 6 (12:44):
He was on that committee. It was in committee.

Speaker 5 (12:46):
Yesterday, and maybe if they had killed it, I might
have canceled the interview.

Speaker 6 (12:50):
But do you really think they killed it?

Speaker 5 (12:52):
No, they did not. We'll talk to him about that
at twelve thirty and then.

Speaker 6 (12:55):
At one o'clock.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
The election for the next chair of the Colorado GOP
is coming up. I believe it's a week from Saturday,
and I've got Richard Holtor. Richard is a longtime politician.
He ran he ran for governor. Excuse me, no, no, no,
he ran for the fourth congressional race in that very
crowded field, and now he wants to be chairman of

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the GOP. He is running on a slate with two
other people, one of whom is daniel Neuschwanger, who was
a Republican before she did something that I think blew
up her Republican career. We'll talk about that later, but
they're running as a slate. And last night I'm scrolling
through social media, turning my brain off, and I see

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a post by Natalie Tennant, who has been.

Speaker 6 (13:42):
On this show, and I like Natalie. She's very passionate.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
And Natalie said, look, I had conversations with Danielle Neuschwanger
in the early part of the year about she wanted
to support Bretta Horn and her strategies for supporting Bretta Horn,
and Natalie her arm out and welcome the support because
Natalie's not working on Britta's campaign for Chairmen of the GOP,
but she is supporting her and it was very Natalie

(14:10):
said she felt like she was a little bit being
used to get to Britta because she thought Danielle wanted
to sort of glom on to Britta's campaign. And these
are my words, not Natalie's. I put a link to
the Facebook page if you want to go watch it.
But she played some audio. She actually attached the audio
of a phone call she had with Danielle. And I've

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got questions. I've got questions about why we have to
do things as a slate other than school board races.
I support slates for school boards for one reason and
one reason only the unions create their own slates and
then they only have to fundraise, fundraise for one thing,
a slate of candidates. But in stuff like the GOP elections,

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why not let the Central Committee decide on each position.

Speaker 6 (14:55):
I don't understand that they're.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
Going to be on it one. Richard's got some really
really good idea laid out in his plan to bring
the Republican Party back together. I've gotten a lot of
email about Danielle being on the ticket though, I'm and
it'd be perfectly honest, perfectly honest. So we're gonna talk
about all that stuff at one o'clock. So we're going
to talk about what their plans are and the slate business,
and you know, some grassroots who don't have a lot

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of faith in danielle sincerity, So we're gonna ask.

Speaker 6 (15:23):
Her about that at one o'clock. So that's all coming
up then.

Speaker 5 (15:26):
Now, I got a lot of stuff on the blog today.
You know, we were just talking about crime in Colorado
when I talk about this just for a second, if
you didn't hear the story out of Pueblo about the
three police officers being shot. It happened because three police
officers went to pick a suspect up who was accused
of attempted murder or murder. Let me check this out.

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He was accused attempted murder. So they go to pick
up this guy. He has a rap sheet a mile long.
He's an knitted member of I thirteen, the Latin American gang.
They go to pick up dude opens fire on the
officer that was there. He gets shot. Two more officers
show up, they get shot. They return fire they kill

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the suspect, that's fine with me. Don't have to waste
taxpayer dollars on that trial. And the chief of police
said this, our officers were ambushed and shot by a
malicious person who should have been in jail but wasn't
because of our soft on prime legislation and bonds. He

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argued that leniency with lower level offenses only in Bolden's
criminals like Soto. So now we have three police officers
recovering from gunshot wounds, and they will recover, but it
is a long road ahead. I mean, I love it
when people are like they just got shot. As someone
who's married to someone who just got shot a lot

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in the military, you don't just get shot. Here's what
I don't know. If I should call Truck real quick, Yeah,
call Truck real quick and get him on the air.
I want to ask him if I can tell the
story about a shrapnel I mean, he tells, no, I
don't have to. I don't have to have his permission.
I'm telling her anyway. He tells it in public on
occasion because Chuck, my husband, for those of you that
may have just joined the show, is a combat veteran

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who was ambushed in Somalia in much the same way
that the black Hawk Down soldiers were ambushed in Somalia.
They blocked off roads. He and his buddy were shot
multiple times. The Humvey was shot like one hundred and
forty times. They managed to make back debates severely.

Speaker 6 (17:28):
Wounded, blah blah blah. So every once in a while.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
Chuck will touch his back and go what is that?
What is that? And every once in a while he'll
scratch his back and a piece of shrapnel will have
worked its way out. He got shot in nineteen ninety three,
and it's still happening, although it hasn't happened in a while.
But I mean, alternately, that's like the coolest story because

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the human body is amazing. It knows that that shrapnel
is not supposed to be in there, and it just
worked for all this time to just push it out.
I mean that in and of itself is amazing to me,
but also like super gross. Right, Oh, so don't talk
to me about, oh, you just got shot. My best
wishes to the officers for a speedy recovery, and may

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mister Soto find himself on the wrong side of heaven
and hell. We'll be right back with Representative Jarvis Caldwell
after this talking about how we're going to lower penalties
again on more crime.

Speaker 10 (18:24):
Yay.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
Joining me now to talk about the latest bit of
idiocy is Representative Jarvis Caldwell.

Speaker 6 (18:30):
First of all, welcome to the show.

Speaker 11 (18:33):
Hey many thanks so much for having me.

Speaker 5 (18:35):
So first of all, you have a name that sounds
like you're the alter ego of some kind of superhero.
So I'm just going to ask you this, what superpower
would you like if you became a superhero?

Speaker 11 (18:46):
Probably being able to stay awake on Judiciary long because
it gets pretty well and we were up there until
I think one am this morning having the debate the
bill we're about to talk about.

Speaker 5 (19:01):
Well, okay, this bill, when I saw it yesterday, I thought,
surely he's exaggerating or something in his in his tweet,
But you were not tell people what this bill that three.

Speaker 6 (19:11):
Democrats have sponsored is trying to do.

Speaker 11 (19:15):
Yes, So this is House Bill twelve o six. It's
called extreme indifference offenses not causing death. So there's a
lot of nuance around this law and that's what the
discussion was yesterday. Let me just give you a quick example.
You do a drive by shooting. You shoot at a
crowd of people, but you don't hit anybody. Right now,
that's a class to seleny with some pretty severe punishments.

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What the Democrats and how judicially want to do is
they want to lower that down as low as a
felony five, which is probation eligible. So instead of facing
serious prison time for shooting at a crowd of people
but not hitting anybody, they want it to be as
low as a selenty five, which you can literally get
probation for. So you know, we're all calling this the

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bad Shot Bill because you're trying to kill people, you're
shooting at them, you don't hit them, and now you
get a slap on the wrist if this bill passes.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
So let me ask you this. You were there till
one o'clock last night, and according to something I saw
this morning, a bunch of das showed up to argue
against this bill. What what are these three Democrats using
as their justification for this bill. Why do they think
it's needed.

Speaker 11 (20:26):
Well, they're just saying that it's too big of a
blanket right now, so that you know, they're saying there's
a difference between if you hit somebody in the leg
or if you miss them, and the DA's are basically
they're saying, well, you know the common scene from the das,
and it was bipartisan DA's. We had DA Walsh from Denver,
we had my district attorney, Michael Allen from the fourth

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Judicial down in El Paso County, and every single DA
admitted like, look, there is maybe area here where we
can improve this. But when you're talking about dropping it
down to a felony class five, you're literally talking about
doing a drive by shooting and missing people and then
getting probation for that. So while they're open to reworking

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the law potentially, I don't think any of them are
on board with dropping it. Solow that you can get
probation for doing a drive by shooting.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
But let me, okay, let me ask this question more clearly,
And this question is why are we supposed to care
if someone randomly fired a weapon into a crowd of people,
ostensibly potentially hitting them all, but just because they're a
bad shot. I'm now supposed to what feel sympathy for

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someone who made that choice because I don't. And is
that what they're saying, like, Oh, we should worry about
these people to indiscriminately fire a gun into a crowd
of people. I'm confused by who we're protecting or who's
demanding this bill. Where's this coming from?

Speaker 11 (21:52):
Yeah, No, your take on it is exactly my take
on it. So the first question I asked the bill
sponsors when they propost the bill at the beginning of
the evening, I said, why this? Why now? Colorado is
number eighth nationally and violent crime were the number three
most dangerous state right now, So why this and why now?

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And one of our witnesses that Da Michael Allen brought
was one of the bartenders slash owner in the Club
Q shooting, and he echoed my sensement when he got
up and testified, and he had very powerful testimony about
the tragedy at Club Q. And he was there and
he said, you know, I appreciate Rep called to with

(22:33):
comments why this and why now? And I never got
an answer for it, But unfortunately on how she did
Sharry Committee, that has just been the going theme this
entire session is any bills that enforced stricter penalties on
criminals those dieing Committee, any bill that helps the criminals

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that passed with flying colors on party lines by the way.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
So what is the party breakdown on the Jujuiciary Committee.
I know you guys are hopelessly outnumbered in the House,
but how bad is it on Judiciary?

Speaker 11 (23:04):
Yeah, it's seven Democrats and four Republicans right now. So
in order to kill a bill or to pass the bill,
you need to flip two Democrats. And there's I want
to highlight. We passed one bill so far this session
that actually enforces stricter penalties, and that's for firearms theft,
because the current law says, if he's still a firearm

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under two thousand dollars, it's a misdemeanor. It has to
be two thousand dollars or more, which is kind of rich.
That's a very nice firearm. That's the only bill that
we've passed. And the only reason that passed was because
my opinion, Majority Leader Monica Durand was on the bill
and four Republicans voted for it, and she was able
to flip two Democrats. That's the only reason it passed.

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I'm sure you've probably talked about Brandley Brandy Bradley's will
last week, the prohibition of probation for child rape.

Speaker 5 (23:59):
I didn't talk about it because I had it on
the blog. It was just one of those things that
I didn't get to on the show because it didn't pass.

Speaker 11 (24:05):
Or right, you can get probation right now in Colorado
for raping a child, and actually seventy percent of these
child sex crimes ends with probation, and we're trying to
say no, you can't get probation. There needs to be
a minimum, and that bill couldn't even.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
Pass, especially because that particular crime. Sex crimes have a
higher rate of recidivism usually it's not a one off.
That's horrifying to me. I mean absolutely horrifying exactly.

Speaker 11 (24:34):
And you know, if you get probation for a child
sex crime, you're not getting that help that you're supposed
to be getting to try to make sure you don't
for a set of eate, which, like you said, is
a very high crime. I mean, I'm pretty hardcore on
this issue. I almost basically think you shouldn't see the

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light of day if you do this. But I definitely
don't think you should be probate for committing such an act.

Speaker 5 (25:01):
So let me ask you this, are there any democrats
on the judiciary that are flippable that maybe I have
listeners in their districts that could get on the phone
and say please don't do this, you know, because a
lot of Republicans think if they call their Democratic representative
or state senator, they're not going to be responsive. But
I'm telling you right now, you get enough people to
call any legislator, it has an impact. It really does.

(25:24):
So are there any Democrats that you think could be
reasoned with on this issue by people calling and saying,
please don't drop any more penalties?

Speaker 6 (25:32):
Were you know, what are we doing here?

Speaker 7 (25:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (25:35):
So the one that we were able to flip to
the gun bill, actually there's two. One of them was
Representative Chad Clifford, and Chad is House District thirty seven.
He's a Rapahoe County. And the other one we were
able to flip was Representative Cecilia at the NOSA. So
she's district for she's Denver. She is the one who

(25:59):
beat Tim hernandez Oh in the primary.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
There's already a hero for that, right.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (26:06):
And but again, like I ran a bill that said
no pr bonds for repeat violent offenders, and she voted
against that bill. She voted against the child rape the
prohibition on child rate bill. So you know, I'm not
very confident.

Speaker 5 (26:23):
You know what, though, Here's the thing. If we don't try,
we don't know. And if I have I'm going to do.
What I'll do is I'll find out the contact information
for both of their offices and I'll urge people. I'll
urge people to go ahead and give them a call
and respectfully say, please don't pass this bill. We're tired
of making crime easier in Colorado.

Speaker 6 (26:40):
We'd like it to stop.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
And if you guys call and make a respectful argument,
Respectful is the key here, because if you're an a hole,
they will just ignore you. You can make a difference.
I tell people this all the time. You don't believe me,
but we have to put pressure on somebody because we've
got to stop this nonsensical belief that some if we
just give them another chance, they're gonna make a better

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choice next time, when there's no evidence that any of
this is actually having that impact.

Speaker 11 (27:09):
Yeah, no, you're exactly right. I mean, the recidivism rate
for violent crimes, and especially these telitext crimes is extremely high,
and we're just we're just letting people go and and
they're not getting any kind of help or rehabilitation and
we're just basically just hoping they get sixed. I mean,
I'm sure you've probably talked about what happened in Pueblo.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
Yeah, we talked about that just a minute ago.

Speaker 11 (27:32):
Yeah, and you know, this guy was out on three
selony bonds and had fourteen prior selonies, and it's like,
you know, that guy wasn't rehabilitated. What the hell was
he to excuse my language, but what was he doing
walking around the shot?

Speaker 10 (27:45):
Right?

Speaker 11 (27:46):
Yeah, in the world did he get a gun? Because
we all know felons aren't allowed to have guns. And
look what happened. Three of our officers got injured. But
in that situation, had had that person shot at those
officers and not hit them qualify for probation. That's how
ridiculous House Bill twelve oh six is that they're trying
to pass.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
Representative Jarvis K. Caldwell keep fighting the good fight. When's
the next hearing?

Speaker 11 (28:10):
So this this bill got laid over. I think they
realized that they may the bill may die in committee
because we may have split those two Democrats that I
mentioned earlier, So they laid it over for action at
a later date. But we don't know that date yet.
So this bill will be hurt again and we'll see
what happens. I'll make sure I keep you in the
loop on that.

Speaker 5 (28:30):
Okay, Representative Caldwell, I want you to offer an amendment.
I want you to offer a passive, aggressive amendment, and
I want you to make it an amendment to the
Second Time Shooter Bill. That's what one of my text
messagers called it, the second Chance Shooter Bill, and this
one as as an amendment, please offer that if someone
is given probation, they have to take a gun safety
course so they can more carefully handle their firearm in

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the future, just like they're trying to do with SB three.

Speaker 6 (28:55):
If you could do that, I would be forever appreciative.

Speaker 11 (28:57):
Well, that's perfect for me to plug. The D three
is coming to the Florida tomorrow and we're going to
fight that thing all the way. So if your listeners
want to tune in, SB three's on the Health floor tomorrow,
and I make that argument all the time. There's no
mixus between a gun safety class and gun violence. Yep. Right,
people are gonna they're not planning to go shoot up

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a public place, and then they took a gun safety
class and now they change their minds. That's absolutely it's
an infringement office.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
Representative Caldbell gotta let you go. I'm late for a break.
Good to talk to you, man. I hope we can
talk again in the future. Very interesting responses from some
of that conversation I just had with Representative Jarvis, including
this one. Mandy. Not to be a Debbie downer, but
this has been the trend in Colorado for years, and
yet every election cycle the Democrats gained more and more
control and push the agenda. And with the current state

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of the state Republican Party, I don't see it changing
anytime soon. Not from Jeff in Broomfield. Now I have
a question, or actually I have a suggestion because and
we're going to talk to Richard Holdtorf and Danielle Neuschweinger
here in just a few minutes. They want to be
chair and vice chair of the Republican Party coming up soon.
My fear is this. My fear is that the Republicans

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are going to miss an opportunity to streamline their messaging
and run on two issues in Colorado. In my view,
the Republican Party should coalesce around the following message in
every single election at every level, and the message should
be simple. Colorado has had complete democratic rules since twenty nineteen.

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How's it going. How's it going for you living in Colorado?

Speaker 6 (30:34):
Do you own a house?

Speaker 5 (30:35):
Are you trying to buy a house? Are you trying
to buy eggs? Are you worried about going downtown something
maybe you used to love doing but now you feel
it's too dangerous. Maybe you live downtown and you don't
like to walk your dog anymore because you have to
deal with urban outdoorsmen clearly jacked up on drugs. We're
going to fix that. We're going to fix the safety

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issues in Colorado, and then we are going to start
shipping away at all of the fees and the taxes
and the various ways that Democrats have rated your pocketbooks
since twenty nineteen. So that's the message. Safety and the economy.
That's it. Everything else in this next election cycle should

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fall right by the wayside. Colorado has the highest inflation
in the country, We have some of the most we
have some of the highest crime.

Speaker 6 (31:28):
Rates in the country.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
We are no longer the utopia of hope and dreams
that young people came to seek when they came to Denver.
Colorado specifically, but I fear that the Republican Party is
going to get bogged down in social issues that in
Colorado are absolute losers for the pro life people out there.
First of all, I feel you, I understand your passion,

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and I believe that your mission is important. That in Colorado,
trying to outlaw abortion is ridiculous. You will never get
people elected on abortion in this state. You will get
them unelected in this state. And all you have to
do to prove this point is look at the results
of every abortion measure.

Speaker 6 (32:11):
That has been on the ballot.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
They've all gotten creamed, absolutely creamed. So we got to
stop talking about social issues. We've got to stop talking
about the things that we think are incredibly important, like
parental choice and parental rights. We've got to keep it
on security and the economy. Security and the economy. That
should be the drum beat over and over and over again.

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And every Republican in every race should be armed with
statistics and bill numbers that were passed along party lines
that have led to the rise in crime and the
increasing cost of living in Colorado, and they should be
given to every single Republican and that is what they
should talk about. But I think there's a lot of

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Republicans who don't like this, or like if we give
up the platform.

Speaker 6 (32:58):
Then what are we? You're on a lie I did.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
That's what you are. You're a permanent majority or minority
party and Colorado, frankly, we can't afford it. Coming up next,
Richard Holdtorf wants to be the next GOP chair. We're
going to talk to him and Daniel Neuschwanger after this.

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Speaker 5 (33:42):
Welcome, Local, Welcome to the second hour of the show.
I've got a quick question before we bring our next
guests on, and that is something just occurred to me.
It's Thursday. Do all of these school districts go on
spring break tomorrow? So are they just extending their spring
break with this rally today? That just occurred to me
today right now. If anybody can answer that, you can

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text me at five, six, six nine.

Speaker 8 (34:05):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
Now, we've spent a lot of time talking about something
I normally don't even butt my nose into and that
is the race to see who is going to be
the next Colorado chairman of the GOP. I believe the
party is in absolute shambles right now, and without a
significant change in leadership, we're going to be dead in
the water in Colorado. And I don't just mean Republicans,
I mean the state. There's going to be nothing left.

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So joining me now is another candidate. Richard Holdtorff joins me.
He is running to be chairman of the Colorado Republican Party.
Daniel Neuschwanger also with us today. She is running as
part of a slate of candidates with Richard at the top,
Daniel and the vice chair. And the name of your
other person just went right out of my head. I apologize,
but I'm going to go to you first, Richard. Why

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a slate? It's my understanding that the Central Committee kind
of said, we don't want a slate, we want to
vote on each one individually.

Speaker 9 (34:56):
So that is exactly what happens. Mandy Dave Williams, and.

Speaker 10 (35:00):
He said, we're going to start with the chair elections
on the twenty ninth, then we'll go to vice chair.

Speaker 9 (35:06):
Then we'll go to Secretary. You know, in politics, a
lot of times.

Speaker 10 (35:09):
You make allegiances, alliances and you try to build people that.

Speaker 9 (35:14):
Can work to help rebuild our party.

Speaker 10 (35:17):
Well, one of my thoughts, Mandy, is if you want
all these unaffiliated people that have left the Republican Party
to come back, why not have a person that has
taken that journey. Danielle has left the party, she was
very frustrated. Now she's come back to the party and
she has to take And Danielle can speak for herself,

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and I certainly will welcome that she's got to take
a journey of redemption, reconciliation and gaining trust. But she's
very passionate about our Republican principles and she sees that
this ship is sinking.

Speaker 9 (35:51):
I see that this ship is sinking.

Speaker 10 (35:53):
If we don't figure get this ship upright and pointed
in the right direction, it will be just like the Titanic.
The relevance of Colorado Republicans will end, and we will
be waltpaper in the political landscape here in Colorado.

Speaker 9 (36:06):
You're absolutely right, Mandy.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
Well, and I want to go to Danielle and just
ask a few direct questions because Danielle, you and I
first met when you were running for governor, and I
was very impressed with you, and I think you're very,
very intelligent. And when you chose to leave the Republican
Party and go be the governor's candidate for the Constitution Party,
I expressed to you that I thought that was a
terrible mistake because I was afraid it was going to

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impact your political future, which I thought could be very,
very bright. So I want you to tell us why
you left and why you're coming back now.

Speaker 12 (36:41):
See, it's exactly what Richard said.

Speaker 13 (36:43):
You know, there was a lot of frustrations, and I'm
at a point now where I really don't feel like
it's appropriate to continue to air out the dirty laundry
of the Republican Party. We've had so much of that
in the last year that we just don't need any
more ammunition to fight each other. So I'm just going
to put it all on me that I made a
bad decision I left the party. I wish it would
have handled some things differently with some frustrations that I

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was experiencing firsthand as a candidate, But it comes out
to the end of the day that we made bad judgment.
Book calls. We make mistakes, and you have to learn
from them and move on. And so fortunately for me,
there have been a handful of amazing patriots across this
state that have really never given up on me, that
have taken the time over the past couple years to
kind of entor me up and wise me up a

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little bit.

Speaker 12 (37:27):
And so I'm grateful for them.

Speaker 13 (37:29):
And I think that there's a lot of people in
our party who have left the party for the same frustrations.
They've seen what's gone on in the last two years
and can speak to those frustrations as candidates. But you know,
they're ready to come back, They're ready to fight. They
just need someone to invite them and welcome them back,
and I think Richard did a great.

Speaker 5 (37:45):
Job of that well. Last night, Natalie Tennant, who has
created a group called Surrender Never Surrendered Excuse Me, she
posted a pretty decent Facebook video explaining that you and
she had had conversations back in January February, and because
she has friends with Britta Horne, who is also running
for the chairmanship, that you had expressed that you were

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going to support Britta, and Natalie just said, look, I
just want you to know what happened behind the scenes,
and then you can make your own decisions about whether
or not Danielle is trustsworthy on this issue. Can you
explain your side of that situation?

Speaker 10 (38:23):
Man? Can I jump in here one second? Yeah, and
then I want Danielle to answer the question.

Speaker 6 (38:27):
Sure.

Speaker 10 (38:28):
But I watched all the mechanics, the gyrations, the political
soccer matches that were going on in the spectrum of
state party chair candidates. And the reason I got in
the race is because I do not see the leadership
that Colorado Republicans need.

Speaker 9 (38:48):
And I've served in.

Speaker 10 (38:49):
Leadership as a State House Republican whip. So I jumped
in less than two weeks ago.

Speaker 9 (38:55):
I jumped in this race.

Speaker 10 (38:56):
And when you have strong leaders in the Republican Party
that come in and say I'm putting the pads on
and getting on the field, the whole game changes.

Speaker 9 (39:06):
Everything changes. And that's what's happened.

Speaker 10 (39:08):
And you know, Britta, she's a little disappointed that Holdthworf's
in this in this election cycle for state party chair.
There's other people because you know they need the Colorado
Republicans need the leadership. Now, daniel I'm going to turn
it over to you, but you know everything changed last
Saturday when I went to welt County and announced my
candidacy go ahead.

Speaker 12 (39:31):
Yeah, And that's just it. So I had not had
any intentions.

Speaker 13 (39:34):
Of running for the state party chairmanship until you know,
my phone started ringing in January, And in fact, I
had had people reach out last summer when everything went
down to Dave Williams, and I just didn't feel like
it was the right time. I felt like we needed
to focus on candidates, and so I had expressed it
I would kind of, you know, wait to sit back
and see what happened.

Speaker 12 (39:53):
And at the time, Darcy and Berta were the only two.

Speaker 13 (39:56):
Candidates announced, and I felt before the county rework meet
things that Britta actually was the stronger candidate. And I
have nothing bad to say about Britta, but like Holdworf,
I decided to kind of wait to see what happened
with the counties to see who emerge. And I was
actually planning on running for chair and then I had
a team in place, and one of our team members

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got an amazing job locker room.

Speaker 12 (40:18):
We're so proud of him.

Speaker 13 (40:20):
And it turned out that Holdwarf was going to jump in,
and as soon as I heard his name, I was like,
this is the guy. This is the leader that we need,
his military experience, his passion, his experience, and it.

Speaker 12 (40:31):
Was like a complete a sense of peace had.

Speaker 13 (40:34):
Come over me because I had been so stressed about
what was going to happen with the party, you know,
feeling that kind of lack of hope for our future.
And then as soon as he committed, I was it's
just instant resolved, Like I really feel like if Colorado
has his leadership, that there is not only hope, but
there is going to be victory in our future.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
Well, let me ask you both this question, and I'll
let both of you feel it, because it speaks to
your judgment Richard, that you have decided to endorse by
putting Danielle on your slate. Danielle, you're just now coming
back in the party after spectacularly leaving the party and
burning a whole bunch of bridges. I'm going to be
perfectly honest. I got a lot of email from people
who do not trust you because of what you did

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in the governor's race. So let me ask this question,
why are you coming back into the party and immediately
trying to be vice chair. Why not get active in
your local party and kind of work within the system
to try and change it at the local level before
you come in and say and I'm now ready to
be vice chair.

Speaker 6 (41:31):
I mean you could see where that would be a
little off putting.

Speaker 9 (41:34):
Mandy.

Speaker 10 (41:35):
I'm going to lead on this, and it's a very
good question when you are wanting to win, and I
want Colorado to make Colorado Republicans win again. And we
know in Colorado and Republicans play all those attention because
this really matters. We know that Colorado is a blue state.

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It's not turning red anytime soon. That's a political reality.

Speaker 9 (42:02):
And you know that, Mandy.

Speaker 10 (42:03):
Oh yeah, we know that over fifty to fifty five
percent of the electorate are now unaffiliated. They're either soft Democrats,
the Republicans that have left the party, or they're somewhere
in the middle because they're so disenfranchised and disgusted with
all the party politics and all the infighting either on
the dem side, which is hyper accelerated now after November,

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or on the Republican side, which has been going on
for about three, four, five, six years, maybe longer. So
if you want to win in Colorado, there's a little
calculus involved. And the way you win in Colorado is
number one, have the right message.

Speaker 9 (42:41):
You can't pivot farther to the right.

Speaker 10 (42:43):
And say, well, if you're not worthy, you know, if
you're not as red as I am, you're not worthy
of being in my party.

Speaker 5 (42:51):
That Yeah, No, we're in total agreement on that one.

Speaker 10 (42:55):
Let's talk about winning those unaffiliates that have left our party.
Let's talk about asking people to come back. There's over
half a million, five hundred to six hundred thousand. Who
better to ask that question of them than perhaps somebody
that's left the party and has come back. Now, Danielle
is a very thoughtful person. She's very intelligent. And I

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work on a cattle ranch. I'm a general manager of
a cattle ranch running thousands.

Speaker 9 (43:21):
I had a cattle out here.

Speaker 10 (43:22):
I've been breaking horses since I was fifteen, and I'll
tell you what, some of the best horses I've ever
had are those mustangs that were wild, they were ranked,
they would buck hard, and you know what, you had
to bring them around. And finally when they came around
and they wanted to be part of the team, and
they wanted to say, yep, I will work for you
and I'll give you everything I got. There's some of

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the best horses I've ever had on this ranch at
Buffalo Springs Ranch, which started.

Speaker 9 (43:48):
Oh by the way, in eighteen ninety two. So I
see Danielle as one of those papers.

Speaker 10 (43:54):
That have all this energy, and she can come back
and win those unaffiliateds back and then perhaps when we
get that contribution, we can make Colorado Republicans win again.

Speaker 7 (44:06):
Daniel why not.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
Take a more measured approach in your return to the party.

Speaker 13 (44:13):
So again, you know, this goes back to I had
no intention of running for this position until members of
the SEC had actually reached out to me on numerous occasions.
And it took a lot of convincing on their part
because for the last two years I have been happily
working with like local nonprofits, you know, developing rural sports
programs for youth in our community. And I like to

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do things behind the scene. I don't like to be,
you know, out in front. I don't like to have
my picture taken. I don't like to do the big
attention ra ra And so it took a lot of
convincing from these SEC members.

Speaker 12 (44:46):
To get me to even throw my name in the hat.

Speaker 13 (44:48):
But what it came down to you and how they
got me convinced is I'm a workhorse.

Speaker 12 (44:53):
I love the work. I'm dedicated to working.

Speaker 13 (44:56):
And when they said, look, Danielle, there's a lot of
work that needs to be done and we need someone
who doesn't mind having a heavy workload that can give
somebody else the reins to lead, and it just kind
of worked out where the work is what inspired me,
and so I'm just really excited to get in and
work with Richard Holtorf and his vision for Colorado and
be the person behind the scenes that supports the counties

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and supports the candidates, because that is the entire mission
of the Colorado GOP. It is not to be a
policy platform, it is not to be a platform for
self promotion. It is to support the counties and the candidates.
And I'm very excited to be able to do that.

Speaker 5 (45:33):
Let me get to some of the actual issues, okay,
because there's bigger issues than all of this stuff. One
of them is do you favor eliminating the Republican primary?

Speaker 10 (45:47):
So I'm presuming and I see the screens kind of
went away, so I'm presuming I'm still on here.

Speaker 7 (45:52):
Yes, And you're.

Speaker 5 (45:53):
Asking me that question, Mandy, Yes, go ahead.

Speaker 10 (45:56):
Okay, so I am not in favor of canceling the
Republican primary.

Speaker 9 (46:03):
We need to have Republican primaries.

Speaker 10 (46:06):
Some people say, oh, it has to be all through
the Assembly, and the people that win in the Assembly
then they go on the general ballot.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Well, if you.

Speaker 10 (46:15):
Haven't been lately, and I'm the Washington County chair for
the Washington County Central.

Speaker 9 (46:20):
Committee, that's a job that I have right now. And
if you ever go to any of these meetings and
you're an.

Speaker 10 (46:26):
Outside or just a guest or visitor, or you're a
new Republican coming in, you sit there and you watch
and you say, boy, this feels very scripted. Boy, this
feels like an inside game. Boy, how do I join
this team? Because it just doesn't seem like if I'm
not in the inner circle, I'm not going to get
a fair shake. And that is across the state in

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many different counties. Not all these counties are like this.
I've watched many meetings and I've seen it from the
outside looking in, and I've been on the inside looking.

Speaker 9 (46:55):
Out going how does these things look.

Speaker 10 (46:57):
Through that lens? So we've got to let people participate.

Speaker 9 (47:02):
We need to have a primary, and we need.

Speaker 10 (47:04):
To let the Republicans decide who they want to run
in the general, and that's every Republican, not necessarily the
insider baseball or the back door secret handshakes that are made,
are some of these other things that party bosses try
to flex their muscles and wield their power. If I'm
elected as a state party chairman, you those days end.

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This becomes a pluralistic, opportunistic organization that's going to allow.

Speaker 9 (47:30):
Any candidate come forward.

Speaker 10 (47:31):
Look when we did pre primary endorsements, when Dave pedaled
out by the way, most of his endorsements didn't win,
which was sad. So you're betting on the wrong horse,
COGP and it's embarrassing.

Speaker 9 (47:46):
But if you don't bet.

Speaker 10 (47:47):
On the horse and let the people decide who they want,
let the people decide, don't put your thumb on the scale.

Speaker 9 (47:53):
So I'm absolutely not in favor of these pre primary endorsements.

Speaker 10 (47:57):
I want the voters to decide, and I want people
to go through assembly and then there's a petition process.
Is if anybody knows about me, Mandy, and you do.
I ran for CD four and I didn't get the
endorsement from Dave.

Speaker 9 (48:10):
My opponent did. And I'm a pretty tough guy if
you haven't noticed, But you know.

Speaker 10 (48:15):
How bad that would make somebody feel when you're like, geez,
this is such an inside game that now they're going
to try to kick me toside and box me out.
And I'm just a Republican trying to do a good
thing and be a good Republican and try to make
a difference.

Speaker 9 (48:29):
In this state. You can't do that to people a candidate, and.

Speaker 10 (48:33):
Running a candidate campaign at the state level federal level
is so hard. You can't do that to people because
it's going to make them say I'm not doing it.

Speaker 9 (48:41):
I don't need the headwinds.

Speaker 10 (48:43):
I don't need the party to step up and say
you're not worthy, you know, and kick me to the curb.

Speaker 9 (48:47):
I will not do that, and I think it's unfair
Mandy Well.

Speaker 5 (48:50):
Richard, let me ask you a follow up question of that,
because the Republican Party has two pretty significant factions right now,
and that is the those who sit in judgment on
one side of everyone. They deem to be the wrong
kind of Republican, even though they can't define what a
good Republican is. I know because I ask them. And
then you have people that are just looking to have

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some kind of normal party politics. In my mind anyway,
obviously I'm more aligned with one than the other. How
do you bring those factions back together? And how do
you bring Republicans like me who have left the party
back to the party.

Speaker 9 (49:27):
So, Manny, that's an awesome question.

Speaker 10 (49:29):
And if you look at my platform which I sent you,
Richard Holthorp announces Platform to Empower Colorado Republicans.

Speaker 9 (49:36):
I hope you got that in your email.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
I actually put that on my page release.

Speaker 5 (49:39):
I put it on my blog today so people can
click through and read it for themselves.

Speaker 10 (49:43):
So perfect we know that Republicans go from the far
side of the say, the rhino type flavor of Republican,
all the way to the far far hard right, libertarian,
uncompromising Republican. So we have this spectrum, but there are
so many different flavors of Republican in between. I served

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as the House whip in the seventy fourth General Assembly.

Speaker 9 (50:08):
And I had in the caucus the mighty nineteen. I
had this spectrum, and we had to stay.

Speaker 10 (50:14):
Together as a team. I had to manage those team
in those differences. I had some Republicans that were social
liberals and physcal conservatives. I had other Republicans that were
far right, hard right, evangelical, uncompromising, unway of rank conservatives
and wouldn't give an inch on anything, and they'd vote
no on everything.

Speaker 9 (50:34):
And you know what, if you want to get one
hundred percent on your liberties.

Speaker 10 (50:36):
Core cart, just vote no on everything. You'll max out
on the test A plus. You know you'll be in
the honor role, honor society. But will you get anything
done in state government if you don't compromise and work
with people, if you don't find solutions.

Speaker 9 (50:50):
So I've had this experience in a microcosmic level. Now
we have to extrapolate that to the whole state. We
have to bring everybody together.

Speaker 10 (50:58):
I have a message of you, and I have a
message of building bridges, not burning bridges. And this is
not the Republican Inquisition of the fifteenth and sixteenth century.

Speaker 9 (51:08):
I'm from Spain, Mandy, I was born in Madrid. You
av Rospaola.

Speaker 7 (51:14):
I've seen the history and.

Speaker 10 (51:16):
I know the failings were in Spain, in the country
I came from during the Spanish Inquisition. That is not
a platform, and that is not a position the state
party should promote because it shouldn't be We're gonna burn
everybody at the stake if you're not as far red
right Republican as I am.

Speaker 9 (51:36):
I mean, it's just common sense.

Speaker 10 (51:37):
But we've lost our way, and I'm going to work
to build those bridges, unify us, bring us back together
so we can focus on the real enemy.

Speaker 9 (51:46):
Who's the real enemy.

Speaker 10 (51:48):
It's the far left, woke socialist Marxist Democrat that have
ruined this state and are ruined the nation. And they
were rejected in November, Mandy. We threw them out at
the national level. And we have to have a message
that resonates in Colorado say we don't need to go
this woke, we don't know what need to go this
far left. Let's get candidates can resonate in their districts

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and promote our Republican platform and their principles so they
can win in their districts.

Speaker 5 (52:15):
Let me ask you. We're almost out of time. I
literally have thirty seconds. I've got Richard holtref I've got
Daniel Nuschwanger, they're running to be chair and vice chair
of the Colorado Republican Party. Richard, one last question, and
I need like a short, tiny answer and that is,
would you continue to pursue the lawsuit that Dave Williams
is pursuing to block unaffiliateds from Bloke voting in a

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Republican primary?

Speaker 10 (52:37):
Mandy, I feel bad that I'm taking a lot of Danielle's.

Speaker 9 (52:40):
Time, But here's the answer. It's the will of the people.
If the state Central Committee wants to pursue that.

Speaker 10 (52:44):
I work for them. It's a bottom up process. But
this is going to cost so much money. And as
a matter of fact, when they did the lawsuit, they
took money away from candidates that needed the money to campaign.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Why would I do that.

Speaker 10 (52:56):
I would put the money where the investment is to
get more Republicans elected. Then to go after a lawsuit
and have this continued in fighting against these different factions
within our party. We have to reconcile, We have to
have a period of.

Speaker 9 (53:10):
Reconstruction, and we have to reunite our party.

Speaker 10 (53:12):
And you don't do that by enriching lawyers in court
and legal actions.

Speaker 5 (53:16):
That is, Richard Holdtorf he will be one of the
candidates to be voted on a week from Saturday? Is
that when the Central Committee meets? Is it a week
from Saturday?

Speaker 9 (53:25):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 10 (53:26):
It'll be March twenty ninth, Radiant Church, and I believe
it'll start at nine am.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
In contact, we'll find out if you are the next chairman.
Daniel Neuschwanger becomes the next vice chair after that. Thank
you both for your time today. I very much appreciate it, guys.

Speaker 9 (53:41):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (53:42):
All right, Well, my guys, let's take a quick time out.
I will tell you that the text line delivered today.
I'm just going to say not a lot of fans
of Richard holdtorf on the text line, including a couple,
but it made me laugh super hard because they're funny.

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I feel like I'm about to buy a youthed car,
maybe hair growth tonic and my favorite, this guy almost
makes me wish the Rockies were playing. So Texters, you
know what that's off. I'm going to give you guys
a golf clap right now because you really worked it.
Get ready if you're driving, put your hands at ten
and two. Take some deep breaths. Pay attention because I

(54:24):
have to thank Kyle Clark for something I know. Oh
but he covered a story that no one else is covering,
and it technically he covered it with the help of
Jalisa Arazari, who did the actual story, but he put
it on the air, and it's a story about nine
people in nine days have died in what they call
outdoor death situations.

Speaker 6 (54:47):
Now, knowing what.

Speaker 5 (54:48):
We know about our homeless population.

Speaker 6 (54:50):
Downtown, it is not crazy to.

Speaker 5 (54:52):
Speculate that these were all drug overdoses. That would not
be a crazy assumption. And the police have given up
no information. March tenths, there were three deaths March thirteenth
to deaths March fourteenth to deaths, one on Saint Patrick's
Day and one on March eighteenth. Now, in my mind,

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this would indicate that there is a bad batch of
drugs going around in the homeless community in downtown Denver,
And if we had an effective means of getting toxicology
reports back quickly.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
We do not.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
By the way, it will be ninety tw one hundred
and twenty days because they have to send these toxicology
tests to outside the state sources. But we will not
get that information in time to find out which batch
of drugs is killing these people. But nine people in
nine days, can you imagine if we had nine shooting
deaths in nine days in Colorado? In Denver, that would

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be front page news of every newspaper, it would be
the lead story in every single television station, and yet
we're not seeing that with this. There's a couple of
reasons for that. One. I think people don't want to
be reminded of the actual consequences of their policy choices.
And I'm not just talking about legislators. I'm talking about voters,

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Denver voters. And I'm going to put you if you're
a Denver voter, maybe you don't fall into this category,
but they vote this same way over and over and
over again. They vote to give the appearance of compassion. Right,
we're so compassionate. We don't want to put addicted people
in jail.

Speaker 6 (56:30):
For their addiction.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
They're suffering.

Speaker 6 (56:33):
We want to make it easier.

Speaker 5 (56:35):
We want to embrace harm reduction, give them the needles
to inject their drugs or their pipes to smoke it,
or whatever it is they do. We're compassionate people. But
the reality is is that when you allow people and
you enable people to wallow in their addiction, you are
buying them death. On the installment plan, and nine people,
over nine days, their installments got done. Their installments are up.

(57:00):
You know what, chance they have of recovering from their
addiction none zero zip. This enabling of drug addiction by
either not arresting people for using drugs, being intoxicated, pooping
in public, spreading garbage everywhere, not forcing them to choose
between jail or treatment, is letting people die.

Speaker 6 (57:24):
So all of the people that voted.

Speaker 5 (57:25):
For these compassionate policies, these deaths are on you, which
may be why nobody wants to talk about it, because
nobody wants to be faced with the reality that sometimes
your choice is though they may feel good and they
may make you feel good, actually lead to the deaths
of people on the streets of Denver. Now, I don't
know if any of these people if they had been

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forced through the system and forced through a drug court
to say, you know, we heard this from Paul Payson
last week. They used to go to a drug court
and they would be given the option go to treatment
or go to jail. Maybe he didn't say this on
the earth. This might have been part of the conversation after.
But that choice and drug I'm gonna call them enablers.
They say things like first treatment does not work, that

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is not accurate. Force treatment is as effective as voluntary treatment,
and in some cases even more effective, because if someone's
on probation with drug testing for five years and their
only thing that's keeping them out of jail is their sobriety,
five years is a long time to be sober. Five
years is a long time to just turn your back

(58:32):
on sobriety. I know it happens, but I think it
happens with less frequency than people who choose to be sober.

Speaker 6 (58:39):
I don't know, but I know that it.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
Is as effective those statistics are born out. So thank
you Kyle Clark and nine News for airing this horrible story.
These are nine people. These are people's you know, brothers
and sisters, maybe someone's dad or mom, someone's sons are daughters,
and they were allowed to rot and kill themselves on
the streets of Denver more than likely because our city

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council cares more about giving the appearance of compassion than
it does.

Speaker 6 (59:07):
About actually solving the problem.

Speaker 5 (59:10):
Because addicts very rarely make the choice to get themselves clean,
very rarely, so addiction generally ends in prison or death,
one of those things.

Speaker 9 (59:20):
But guess what, the.

Speaker 5 (59:21):
People in prison, the ones that take that time to
get sober, they're still alive, and I'm guessing that they
probably wouldn't feel the same way about the people who
enabled their addiction before they were forced to get sober.
We can't save every person. I want to be clear
about that. I am not Pollyanna. I do not think
that if you force enough people into treatment, everybody's going
to be fine.

Speaker 6 (59:41):
There's gonna be no od's.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
We're all going to sit around and sing kumbay Yah
and braid each other's hair. I'm not stupid, but shouldn't
we try to save the most people. Shouldn't we try and,
against their will, force people to make better choices until
they are in their right minds to make those better
tries v on their own, you know, seeing organizations like

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step Denver and seeing organizations like the Other Side Academy
where they're not just getting people sober and sending them
on their way, They're helping these people rebuild everything about
their lives that led them to addiction in the first place.
It can be done, but we're just not doing it.

(01:00:24):
Mandy nine people in nine days reported by Channel nine
Kyle Clark engineered this. I don't think Kyle had anything
to do with it. I'm just saying I'm relatively certain
that Kyle did not have anything to do with it.
I mean almost positive, like like ninety nine. I mean,
anything's possible, people, Anything's possible. Mandy. Where the homeless tents.

(01:00:48):
We drove park from Colfax to Larimer and saw no
tents and a few street people. There's been a drastic reduction,
intense drastic. It's delightful because Mayor Mike Johnston moved everyone
inside to the homeless hotel, so he did accomplish that goal.
But it remains to be seen if that's actually going

(01:01:09):
to get people off drugs. We still don't have the
statistics on that you think we'd be able to find out,
like how effective has this program been at getting people
help for their addictions and mental illness? That should be
a number that we should easily be able to find,
but so far, not so good on that issue. When
we get back, I'm trying to figure, Oh, we got

(01:01:29):
to talk about this story now. I'm going to talk
about that at too. I have a story on the
blog today. They did some polling and this game from
Steve Karnaki from MSNBC. So this is not some left
wing website. But when you hear about where white women
are white educated women compared to all of the rest

(01:01:50):
of the people of the country. Holy cow, are they
out of touch. We're going to do that at two o'clock.
And when we get back. You know why we need doje.
If anybody tells you we don't need doves, that every
part of government is acrithinct and important and holy and
nothing could be cut, I want you to tell them
about the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service because when I

(01:02:13):
tell you about the stuff they spent our money on next,
your head will pop like a grape. And not a
single person has been arrested for fraud. I've linked to
this article. I actually archived it so I knew that
you could open it and you didn't have to have
an account. There is a federal agency called the Federal
Mediation and Conciliation Service. It is designed ostensibly to do

(01:02:35):
mediation between businesses and unions if businesses ask for their help,
which apparently no one does. They occupied a nine story
office tower on DC's K Street. They have a whopping
sixty employees, many of whom actually worked from home prior
to the pandemic. The managers had luxury suites with full bathrooms.

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One manager would often be in the shower when she
was needed, while another used to her bathroom was a
cigarette lounge. FMCS recorded its director as being on a
year's long business trip to DC so he could have
all of his meals and living expenses covered by taxpayers
simply for showing up at the office. Now, the reporter

(01:03:20):
that wrote this for The Daily Wire spent a year
investigating this agency ten years ago, and when the report
came out, nothing happened.

Speaker 6 (01:03:30):
The entire agency, he.

Speaker 5 (01:03:32):
Says, seems to exist for the benefit of those on
the payroll. One employee told him, let me give you
the honest truth. A lot of FMCS employees don't do
a hell of a lot, including myself personally. The reason
that I've stayed is just that I don't feel like
working that hard. Plus location on K Street is great.
Plus we have all these oversized offices with windows. Plus

(01:03:53):
management doesn't seem to care if we stay out at
lunch a long time.

Speaker 6 (01:03:56):
Can you blame me? Listen to this.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
FMCS official George Cohen used a recreation and Reception fund
to order champagne and two hundred dollars coasters for his
office and to purchase artwork painted by his wife. The
tiny agency commissioned paintings of its top employees, as one
employee told me, like they were reigning kings or something.
It spent two four hundred and two dollars retouching the

(01:04:22):
portrait of someone who briefly held the top job in
an acting capacity. Their employees unblocked their government credit cards
to turn off typical abuse protections. They paid for things
like a BMW lease, the guy's wife's cell phone, cable
TV at a home in a vacation home, even a
subscription to USA Today.

Speaker 6 (01:04:43):
One employee used his.

Speaker 5 (01:04:44):
Card to rent a storage unit near his home in
rural Virginia, two hours from the office he supposedly worked at.
It stored his personal positions, such as a photo album
of his dog Buster. He also spent eighteen thousand dollars
at a jewelry store near his house and destroyed all
purchase card records upon leaving the agency when a different retired.

(01:05:05):
When I got a different guy retired from the agency,
he incorporated an LLC to which another employee paid eighty
five thousand dollars using his purchase card, listing it as
a call center service, even though The company had neither
a website nor.

Speaker 6 (01:05:23):
A working phone. When an accountant blew.

Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
The whistle, the director forced her to send an email
retracting her statement he actually wrote it. One purchase was
for thirty thousand dollars on trinkets making employees anniversaries. The
agency's office was absurdly oversized, but it refused to move It.
Hired a consultant for a hallway improvement project to decorate. It,

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had an in house gym for employees, purchased one thousand
dollars TV for the gym, a three thousand, eight hundred
and sixty seven dollars ice maker, and a five hundred
and sixty dollars cerio. Expenses that were actually business related
were hardly better. For example, eight hundred and ninety five
dollars for Suzanne Nicker's enrollment in the English Essentials, a

(01:06:09):
Grammar refresher course, and seven hundred and thirty five dollars
for Lakeisha Stewart to attend Listening and Memory Skills Development course.
They hired friends, they hired family, They created no show jobs.
This has essentially been operated like the mob, and every
single bit of it was paid for by you, and

(01:06:30):
was paid for by me and was paid for by
A Rod. It was paid for everybody who pays federal
income taxes, every single person. If you want to know
why we need DOAJ and if you hear left wingers
talking about how cruel and mean and upsetting it is,
send them this article and tell them that they can
go pound sand, because honestly, they can go pound sand.

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Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the third hour of the show.
I'm your host for the next fifty six minutes, Mandy Connell,
joined by Anthony Rodriguez and brol Of You thank you,
little air Horner. For all of you who hear me
talk about the blog, let me tell you where to
find it. Mandy'sblog dot com. That's mandy'sblog dot com. Look
in the latest posts section and you may have to

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scroll over to.

Speaker 6 (01:07:41):
The right, depending on what time of the day you go.
Look for the blog.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
Because as a Rod posts the podcast from the show,
he's already posted. Did you already post the one from
earlier or is that after the show?

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Which one?

Speaker 5 (01:07:51):
Well, we had a great interview with Representative Jarvis Caldwell
posted posted, and then we had another interview with Richard
Holdtorf and Daniel Neuschwanger. Yeah, okay, they'll be up shortly,
but you can all find all the podcasts. If you
want to share any of those interviews, we'd love it
because that helps the show grow and is important for me,
your talk show host. So mandy'sblog dot com, we'll take

(01:08:12):
you right there. I got a text message that said,
if any of this was true about if you're just
joining us, I just read a story about the let
me make sure I get the name right, the Federal
Mediation and Conciliation Service, where so much grift and fraud
was going on on the taxpayer dime. It's obscene and illegal.
And someone hit the text line that said, if it's true,

(01:08:34):
they'd all be in jail. Go palce hand. I want
to get to the bottom of the story here, because
this was written by an author who investigated this a
decade ago.

Speaker 6 (01:08:45):
A decade.

Speaker 5 (01:08:47):
And this is what he had to say. What surprised
me most about my FMCS investigation was what happened afterward?
Nothing And Inspector General made a referral to the FBI,
but there were no prosecutions. Instead, President Barack Obama nominated
a chief subject of.

Speaker 6 (01:09:04):
The investigation to the top job.

Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
A decade later, Trump has shut down what even the
agency's own employees said should have happened. Shut it down.
So maybe under Cash Mattel's FBI, we can actually prosecute
the people who blatantly stole money from the taxpayers. Okay,
I've got to direct you to the craziest tweet that

(01:09:28):
I've seen in so long, but also one of the
least surprising. So this is from Steve Karnaki who is
on MSNBC, and he did a piece on MSNBC the
headline white men, white women, and the gap within the
gender gap. So we made this nifty graph showing what

(01:09:49):
these latest poll this latest poll data says. And I'm
going to start with the graph that I have on
the blog today. And they asked voters onions of various things, Okay,
and they divide it into four categories for the purpose
of this conversation. They looked at white men with no
college degree, white men with a college degree, white women

(01:10:12):
with no college degree, and white women with college okay,
with a college degree. So the first one they asked
about was Donald Trump. White men with no degree love
Donald Trump. He's at plus forty one. Right, That means
that he is more people like him than don't with
a spread of forty one points between the positive and

(01:10:34):
the negative. He's plus forty one. They love him. White
men with a college degree, they like him, but just barely.

Speaker 6 (01:10:41):
They're at plus one. Then we get to white women
with no college.

Speaker 5 (01:10:44):
Degree, and they're at plus fourteen plus fourteen. Then we
get to white women with a college degree. Hey, Rod,
what do you think that white women with a college
degree from plus one hundred to minus one hundred, where
do you think they are on that scale in terms
of how much they like Donald Trump? Knowing that white
men with no degree were plus forty one, okay, plus
one hundred. Oh no, no, no, no, they like how

(01:11:08):
much they like him? White women with a college degree,
I'm just gonna tell you, yeah, please minus thirty eight. Okay,
So the spread between white women who hate him and
white women who like him is negative thirty eight. Right,
They're way out of step jd vance White men no
degree plus thirty six, white women with college minus thirty eight.

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The ones in the middle are pretty close. It goes
elon Musk similar results, Doge similar results. Republican Party similar results.
Then we get to this one, This is my favorite one,
Voldemir Zelenski, the president of Ukraine. White men with no
degree are down on him.

Speaker 6 (01:11:50):
Minus five.

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
White men with a college degree they like him. Plus
eleven white women with no degree minus three. White women
with a college degree. They I think he is a dreamboat.
They are at plus fifty three. He is more popular
than anything else with white women with a college degree.
You know why, because they're not going to be the

(01:12:13):
ones fighting and dying in that war. Isn't it funny
that white women with a college degree are now the
jingoistic warmongers. Now, let's ask about de EI diversity, Equity
and inclusion, which is inherently racist and really designed to
divide people. It really, truly is. It's the whole purpose.
White men with no degree minus forty, white women with

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college plus thirty one. By the way, they're the only.

Speaker 6 (01:12:41):
Ones plus on that one.

Speaker 5 (01:12:43):
And then the Democratic Party. No one likes the Democratic Party.
White men with no degree minus fifty eight, white men
with college degree minus thirty eight, white women with no
degree minus thirty six, white women with a college degree
minus four. It goes on from there, But I mean,
talk about a group of people that are out of step.

Speaker 6 (01:13:03):
With everyone else.

Speaker 5 (01:13:07):
It's just it's crazy how out of step college educated
women have become. And it's rapidly apparent to me why
so many of them are single and unhappy, Because they're
diametrically opposed not to just white men without a college degree.
They're also kind of opposed to white men with a

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college degree, but not to the same extent. And here's
the kicker. They are the most strident, loud, most likely
to show up at the women's march, most likely to
key a tesla group of people that I know, and
I know a lot of people in this category. I
know a ton of women who fit in this category.

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I don't know many of them who are who are
generally walking around super happy all the time. I know
some that are happy. I know some that are happy
all the time, are some of the time, but none
of them are as happy as my right wing friends
of faith who are married in long term marriages that
is among my friends. Those are the happiest group of
people that I know, just anecdotally. I don't know what

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your friends are like. Text line the Common Spirit Health
text line at five six six nine. Oh, you are
particularly rude and insulting today, says this texter. I don't understand.
Have I been particularly rude and insulting? I mean more
than normal?

Speaker 11 (01:14:30):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
More than normal?

Speaker 6 (01:14:31):
No, I mean I don't feel like that.

Speaker 5 (01:14:32):
I feel like it's just like the standard level of rudeness.
Like if there was a graph, you know, there'd be
like some up some downs, But I feel like this
is just on the median line. Really, like, just write
that same level. Yeah, yeah, I don't feel like we're
making any big gains. No on the rudeness section. Voldemir Zelensky.
Where's Harry Potter in this statement? I've never been able

(01:14:54):
to say his first name right, And I don't know
why I have like this mental block. President selenskysh just
address him as that I should just change drop the
first name. There you go. These statistics, says this text
or prove what we've always known. Smart people don't like Trump,
and stupid people love him. This isn't news I urge
you to consider a slightly different aspect of this because

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I thought about this last night. I saw this last
night and I really started thinking about it. And when
I get back, I'm going to tell you what I've
concluded in my deep mental dive as to why it
is that so many college age people are Democrats. And
it's really not going to be that surprising when you
think about it. I'll be back with that next. I
believe that so many college educated, especially college educated women,

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are Democrats. First of all, it's the abortion issue. That's
the easy pasy one to understand and see. Young women
don't want to face the prospect of having an unwanted
pregnancy and actually having to have a child they don't want.
That's it.

Speaker 6 (01:15:50):
That's a big animating issue. But it goes beyond that.

Speaker 5 (01:15:53):
People that go to college graduate from college, a lot
of them move into the sort of these jobs and
positions where mayor autocracy is very important and they're very
married to the hierarchy. Right, So they've also spent four
years being going to colleges where the instructor base is
almost always overwhelmingly liberal, overwhelmingly not even close. We have

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the story about CU which has become apparently a landing
pad for old political you know, members of big administrations.
They've created two extremely high paying jobs for former Washington
DC Democrat policy wonks.

Speaker 6 (01:16:33):
So we already know they're being indoctrinated for four years.

Speaker 5 (01:16:35):
And I'm not saying that they're easy to indoctrinate, but
they're easy to indoctrinate. And then they get all that
for four years and then they come out and they
move into the hierarchy. The hierarchy, by the way, which
they've been told is they work really, really hard, they
can move up in because that's what our society is
supposed to be based on. But they don't like anyone
that doesn't respect the hierarchy. And if there's ever been

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a situation where someone didn't respect the hierarchy, it is
definitely Donald J.

Speaker 6 (01:17:02):
Trump. But I think it goes more than that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:05):
I think people on the right tend to be more individualistic.
I'm seeing a lot more tribalism on the right than
I've seen previously in my lifetime, and I don't like it.

Speaker 6 (01:17:14):
I don't think it's productive.

Speaker 5 (01:17:15):
That's why the tribalism and the Republican Party here in
Colorado bothers me so much. It's unnecessary. First of all,
it's stupid. It's juvenile to sit around and call each
other names. I mean, what is the point do you
go to bed at night if you're one of these
people engaging on Facebook and these various groups. I'm in
a bunch of Facebook groups, not under my Mandy Connall account,

(01:17:38):
and I just watch these people going at it. They're
going after each other, and it's just so petty and
small and dumb. Even if you're right, if you're engaging
that kind of nonsense online, you're still being petty and
small and dumb.

Speaker 6 (01:17:51):
There's no good, good point in it.

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
That's part of my issue trying to wrangle all the
kittens on the side of a Republican party is because
people tend to be much more individualistic, you know. It's
sort of the thing that goes to the question I
asked earlier. When people are out destroying Tesla dealerships and
cutting the cords on the charging stations at the Colorado

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Mills Mall, that just happened, Like what left wing companies
could we attack? Somebody I heard is trying to compare
the setting Teslas on fire and throwing lolotov cocktails to
the Target boycott or the bud Light boycott, and they
don't understand destruction of private property versus I'm not going

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to buy your product.

Speaker 6 (01:18:39):
And by the way, if you don't want to buy
a Tesla, that's fine. I haven't wanted to buy a
Tesla since.

Speaker 5 (01:18:43):
They came out. We're now on the same side. So
I think there's a lot of that. But I do
think that left wing women who go to college have
spent four years in a echo chamber of epic proportions
as more and more colleges are being run by women
and more things are being put in place in colleges

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that are designed to soften the blows that the world
gives for young women. We've heard about the crying spaces
and the safe space conversations when things happen that are upsetting.
I mean, ultimately, it's the holicification of the country. And
yet liberal white women think that they're the ones that

(01:19:23):
are going to be saving the world when in reality,
like there's support for the Ukraine war.

Speaker 6 (01:19:28):
I really I don't understand it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
They're not going to go fight, they probably don't have
children that are going to go fight, but yet they're
supporting Ukraine, and where's the support on Israel for defending itself?

Speaker 6 (01:19:42):
Same logic, But you know, I would say what happened
on October.

Speaker 5 (01:19:47):
Seventh could be stated as an invasion and they are
just protecting themselves. I mean, that's my take on it,
and I'd love to know what you guys think about that.
And I'm not even being insult to get obnoxious about that.
I've given that a new I've given that a lot
of thought. I've given a whole lot of thought. There's

(01:20:08):
certain things in life that are very clearly gender divided.
And I know we're not supposed to talk about how
the genders are different different, but they're very clear things
that are gender divided, and this is one of them.
In terms of I think young men who go to
college are less likely to have that indoctrination stick than

(01:20:29):
young women. They go in and absorb everything. And this
is what I'm concerned about. Where am I going to
send my kid to college so she doesn't come home
and hate me for everything? I believe Mandy the new
label toxic individualism, look it up. Well, if that is
a new label, by gosh my gully, it is a
label I will wear proudly, because not only do I

(01:20:50):
want to protect my right to be individual and make
my own choices and forge my own way, I want
to protect your right to be individual and forge your
own way. Obviously, CEU is very liberal. It's funny when
faculty and students cried about the visiting chair position or
something that was filled by Republican for a few years.

(01:21:11):
The only diversities liberals care about is physical appearance. Correct.
But in CEO's defense, they still have the visiting scholar program.
But isn't it funny that they have to have a
conservative visiting scholar because they have so few on campus
all the time. Yeah, kind of cool, not really. You
know what, I'm blocking left and right now, these stupid
crypto people. If you're sending me messages, Hey, Mandy, I've.

Speaker 9 (01:21:33):
Got this great.

Speaker 5 (01:21:34):
I love your Twitter feed, I love your ex feed
because it's a great crypto deal for you. If you
I got this blogged and reported, go away, go away please.
So a couple of things that we've got on the
blog today that I think is super interesting, although not
really kind of those big deal stories. I do have

(01:21:58):
a story about AI and copyrights. Why do we care
about this? Well, as yours truly works on the radio,
and I'm a public, public figure. I would like to
copyright my name, and like this, I would like to
copyright my voice. And there's so much copyright stuff that's
happening right now that needs to be updated, but it
is not being updated, and this story is just one

(01:22:19):
of them. So this guy made a song. He no,
wait a minute, let me just read the article so
I get it right. A computer scientist who tried to
register in artwork that credited an artificial intelligence system as
the sole author lost his appeal. On Tuesday, a three

(01:22:41):
judge panel for the Court of Appeals for the District
of Columbia Circuit unanimously agreed with the Copyright Office that
Steven Sailor's AI software cannot be granted authorship. Copyright law
requires all work to be authored in the first instance
by a human being being, says the judge. Judge Patricia

(01:23:04):
Millet said, because of the many Copyright Acts provisions makes
sense only if an author is a human being. The
best reading of the Copyright Act is that human authorship
is required for registration. Now, this guy argued that copyright
laws are completely outdated, and he's created this generative AI

(01:23:24):
software called the creativity Machine. He further argued that judicial
opinions from the Gilded Age could not settle the question
of whether computer generated works are copyrightable today. This is
really really interesting because as artists and creators begin to
utilize AI more and more, and why wouldn't you, you guys,

(01:23:46):
I use chat GBT almost every day now, but I
use it for things like this is what I used
it for last We're getting ready to go on our
trip last week, and I like to make a list.
I make myself a packing list before I start packing,
before I even begin to take stuff out of the closet,
I write down what I'm gonna need, like you know,
break it out, and I have pretty much the same
list every time. So I sat down and I said,

(01:24:08):
chat GPT, make me a packing list that includes all
of these categories and subcategories. Typed it in, and twenty
seconds later, it gives me a nice, you know, printable
ultiple form where I can fill in what I need.
And now I save that and I'll use it every
time I travel.

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
It.

Speaker 6 (01:24:24):
What would have taken me just to format it would have.

Speaker 5 (01:24:27):
Taken me, like you know, at least half an hour
because I'm not good Like that took chat GPT three seconds.
So more and more people are using AI. But I
think it is a valid question about whether or not
that AI in and of itself could hold a copyright.
But my question for this guy is, in every AI
platform that I have tested, and I'm not I haven't

(01:24:49):
tested all of them, I've tested like ten, right, the
AI doesn't do anything until it is prompted by me
to do something. So if the A doesn't do anything
until it's prompted by me, then how could the AI
have the copyright Because they don't do anything until it

(01:25:10):
is inspired by another person? So could I Mandy Connell
hold a copyright or a patent with AI? That's my question.
And if this guy wants to just have the patent
for the AI, then how did the AI come up
with this? Because AI is responsive to what you put in,

(01:25:30):
it's not necessarily going to be creative on its own,
if that makes sense, And I personally think that a
copyrighted anything should at least have that standard sort of
basic level of creativity, like your ideas spawned, whatever it is,
even if you use AI to get it to completion,

(01:25:51):
because we have to figure this out. And it's not
just about artworks and stuff like that. AI is now
being used in a significant way in various forms of research.
So if you are using AI extensively and you come
up with a new medication, or you make a breakthrough,
or you find planets or stars, does the AI also
get the credit? Because this is kind of what this

(01:26:11):
guy's arguing.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:26:14):
GROC has let me down a couple of times, you guys,
because I'm still at the stage where whatever AI tells me,
I'm gonna check their work not I am not good
because the stuff that I'm asking about I'm gonna bring
to the show. And the last thing I need to
do is make an idiot out of myself because I
believed AI. That was stunningly wrong. And GROC has let
me down a couple times. So ROCK is not there yet.

(01:26:36):
Chat GPT still works for most of the stuff that
I need it for. I love it. I gotta tell
you who else? How about this? My daughter in law
I have to credit for really getting me hip to
the uses of chat GPT. She did this in front
of me. She said, Okay, chat GPT, make me a
menu that is whole thirty compliant for the week and

(01:26:57):
then produce the shopping list so I can make these recipes.
It took chat GPT, I don't know, twenty seconds to
do all of that, and I was like, oh my god,
I can go to the internet and have an idea
of what to make for dinner, because isn't that isn't
that the worst thing about life? Just trying to figure

(01:27:17):
out what to have for dinner every night? Are you
and Joscelyn there yet a ron? Are you there where
someone says, Hey, what do you want to do for dinner?
And the other person says, I don't know what do
you want to do? And thus it begins every night.
It's horrible. It's my least favorite thing figuring out what's
for dinner. And I like to cook. I can only
imagine how miserable it is for people who really don't

(01:27:38):
like to cook. Mandy, does that mean CGI characters and
movies can't be copyrighted? They're created by software? But again,
this is the thing they're created because someone is putting
in inputs, right, some programmer is putting in inputs into
the CGI. They're not coming up with this just by themselves, right,

(01:28:00):
They're not so. I would think that the patent would
be held by the person who put the inputs in.
But then do you still have to credit AI? I
kind of think you should. I don't know. It's all
very interesting to me, I mean very interesting to me. Mandy.
Asking any AI product about references is crucial. What does
that mean, Texter? Like, am I asking oh the references

(01:28:20):
for their work?

Speaker 7 (01:28:21):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:28:22):
Yes, I have done that. I have asked for references.
But then I'm also super good on the Google, so
I can pop whatever they tell me and I can
throw it in Google and find for myself, like what
you know, where they were going with that, Mandy chat
GPT is really good with medical information and I also
use it to plan driving trips and foreign countries around
history and food. I tried that when we went to Switzerland,

(01:28:43):
but it was way too aggressive. I mean it was
like here at nine am, you're gonna be doing this.
At twelve thirty, you're gonna do this. But it was
way too much, way way too much. But that's okay, Mandy.
Eastbound Collfax closed between Lodato and Airport Boulevard due to
a crash and arrest. Twenty ish looking male, possibly pulled

(01:29:04):
from the ground with handscuffed behind his back. That's practically
a nextdoor post right there.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Does anybody know.

Speaker 5 (01:29:10):
What's going on on eastbound colfax?

Speaker 6 (01:29:13):
Anybody anyone know what's going ont?

Speaker 5 (01:29:17):
Do you guys belong to one of those groups from
your hometown, like you know you're from wherever? If like
anything like that or blankety blank gossip? I love those
from my hometown. And let me tell you what every
post is, every post is. Did anybody hear that loud
noise last night? Anybody know what's going on down the

(01:29:37):
Highway forty seven? There's a lot of cop cars down there.
The whole Facebook page is at I love it. Trump
is sitting down right now. He just signed it, not
with an auto pen, with his actual own pen. He
signed an order dismantling the Education Department. He can't necessarily
dismantle it. He's got to have Congress.

Speaker 6 (01:29:58):
Act on this.

Speaker 5 (01:29:58):
And you are not gonna move enough Democrats in the
Senate to make this happen. But that being said, it
is the start of something that I strongly believe needs
to happen. If you look at how the United States
has performed compared to other nations, educationally since the formation
of the Department of.

Speaker 6 (01:30:16):
Education, which by the way.

Speaker 5 (01:30:18):
Was formed to help our students be more competitive around
the world. Even though we were tops in education back then,
we've now fallen to the middle of the pack mostly
sometimes even further than that. The only areas that we've
seen improvement are in math, which is good, but reading
our scores.

Speaker 6 (01:30:38):
Of state exactly the same.

Speaker 5 (01:30:40):
This has been the most colossal failure of a department
of any department other than the Department of Energy, which
remember the Department of Energy, created around the same time,
was going to wean us off for an oil that's
gone super well, as you can tell. But as Reagan said,
there's nothing more permanent than a government agency. Thomas Massey,
by the way, who is coming on the show this

(01:31:01):
next Thursday, Wait a minute, let me check and see
so I can get this right. Got him on the
show next to Tuesday. Next Tuesday. He has actually filed
a bill to get rid of the Department of Education,
so we'll be able to talk to him about that.
But Trump has you know, pretty much said anything of
value in the Department of Education or pell grants your

(01:31:23):
you know, your school and stuff that can all be
moved to other agencies. Anything worth keeping can be kept.
We can still get money from the federal government. It
should just come in the form of block grants, and
those block.

Speaker 6 (01:31:36):
Grants should come without strings.

Speaker 5 (01:31:38):
And I love it when people say, but what about
the states like Kentucky and Mississippi. His education systems are
not that great. Well, they've sucked under the Department of
Education and have continued to suck under the Department of Education.
When I was on the Aaron Kentucky, we used to
say all the time when there'd be you know, rankings

(01:31:59):
put out about nationwide schools and stuff like that, the
bottom two forty nine and fifty. We're generally speaking Kentucky
and Mississippi. Mississippi was always fiftieth. And as we like
to say, thank God for Mississippi. It's not like the
Department of Education has lived up to its promise to
bring all students up and create a vibrant school system

(01:32:23):
that serves all students and gives us the best chance
for advancement. And unfortunately for us, at the exact same
time that we've been flatlining, there are a lot of
nations around the world on the rise. The Asian nations
are kicking our butts. The homogeneous nations in the Nordic states,
like your Iceland's or Sweden, your Norway's, they're kicking our

(01:32:45):
butts now when it comes to the kind of testing
that is standardized internationally.

Speaker 6 (01:32:49):
So I'll be fine without a department of education.

Speaker 5 (01:32:52):
I'm good.

Speaker 6 (01:32:54):
I'm completely good, Mandy.

Speaker 5 (01:32:57):
I still carry a map and compass when in the
back country, hiking or backpacking.

Speaker 6 (01:33:01):
Does that make me a luddite?

Speaker 5 (01:33:02):
No, it makes you smart. Smart because not only you
know that you're not going to have service to tell
you where to go, but smart too because you.

Speaker 6 (01:33:12):
Know how to use a compass in a map.

Speaker 5 (01:33:15):
I'm telling you, in a post apocalyptic society, the younger generations,
they are so screwed. They're all going to die like
the first few weeks. I mean, I'm not saying you
should hope to get taken out by the first strike,
but they have none of these skills we're talking about.
As a matter of fact, I am now starting I'm
becoming pen pals with my grandsons so they can learn
to read cursive. So games is going to be writing

(01:33:37):
the letters incursive just so they can learn cursive. Thank you, Texter.
Not driving in silence, says them enjoying Mandy, that's the
best reason to not drive in silence. Out of fifty seats,
there's always going to be someone in the bottom. Yes, Texter,
you are absolutely correct. But the Department of Education, Mandy,

(01:34:01):
the majority of Department of Education funding goes to financial aid,
which is mainly for college student loans, which could easily
be handled by the Department of Revenue. Very little Department
of Education funds go to primary schools. Correct And in
all honesty, guys, why can't we open up a private
market for student loans. It's not like the government makes

(01:34:23):
them cheap. Ask anybody who's got student loans how cheap
that is? Mandy. I live on the south side of
Colorado Springs. This is from the Common Spirit health text line.
And keep seeing in my neighbors. What's that loud booming noise?
You live next to f One Carson. They really have
big guns, they do. They have a really big range
out there. It could be unnerving though, if you're driving down.

Speaker 6 (01:34:47):
What is that road?

Speaker 5 (01:34:49):
Golly, I can picture the road and it goes right
by Fort Carson on the back. Well, I guess the
which side is that? Where you actually drive by the range.
It can be very unnerving if you're on that road
and you hear one of those big guns and you're
not ready for it. Wow. Also, maybe if those Democrats
knew they wouldn't get elected again, if they didn't get
rid of the Department of Education, maybe they would be

(01:35:11):
on the side with Trump. Let me be very clear
about why the Democrats are fire are going to fight
this tooth and nail. They are absolutely enmeshed with the
teachers' unions, and the teachers unions are absolutely enmeshed with
the Department of Education, so they are protecting their fiefdom.
They're I mean, we're seeing things about how this money

(01:35:32):
gets cycled around. You know, how it goes from taxpayer
dollar goes to Democrat NGOs, Democrats who start NGOs, Democrats
who start fake environmental organizations that are then given two
billion by the EPA. We're starting to see how the
money gets laundered now, and it's really really ugly. The
road is Highway one point fifteen. Maybe that's it, but

(01:35:54):
I thought it had another name, and I cannot remember
what the name is. So anyway, look at what the
cat dragged in wearing his proud March Madness media pass
right around his neck along with his bolo tie. That
should tell you it is everybody. It's Grant Smith waking
his way in the studio. So, Grant, you were down

(01:36:15):
at Ballerina, tell me about the atmosphere down there today?

Speaker 14 (01:36:18):
Man, who was playing first of all when you were
down there? So when I was down there, it was
Montana and Wisconsin. Wisconsin beat him up pretty good. Montana.

Speaker 5 (01:36:26):
Montana was asking for respect, and I'm like, winning.

Speaker 8 (01:36:29):
We'll give you the respect.

Speaker 14 (01:36:30):
But to watch their final game against Northern Colorado and
their conference tournament, and I thought Northern Colorado was a
better team, but Montana won and they kept it close
in the first half. But you know Wisconsin right, big
ten school, and the atmosphere down there is incredible. I
can't imagine the game going on right now. Is VCU
and BYU and BYU travel their crowd, man, So I'm

(01:36:52):
sure it is a rocous atmosphere right now. I'll be
back down there tonight for the Michigan you see San
Diego game.

Speaker 8 (01:36:59):
That'll be fun. But yeah, it's my favorite sports time
of the year.

Speaker 5 (01:37:02):
It is so and I've had the chance to go
to these first round games, and the crowd is a
mix of fans who traveled, but a lot of times
you have schools the fan base isn't necessarily going to
travel as much, so you have a lot of locals.
It's such a fun experience. It's just different than anything else.

Speaker 14 (01:37:19):
It's so different, and college sports are just a different
beast because the fans are just so passionate, you know.
That's usually they're alma mater or they have someone they
know that played there, and it's just it's so much fun.
And I we got to interview this kid, Marshall Almos
who we ran the story on me and Rob Dawson
we ran the story on CMN this morning. But just

(01:37:39):
his passion for his school and it's their first year
of eligibility and then NCAA tournament and they're in the
March Madainness bracket.

Speaker 8 (01:37:46):
So like, it was so much fun and it's it's
it's really it is. It's the best time of the year.

Speaker 5 (01:37:52):
Ben alright.

Speaker 6 (01:37:52):
Also in the studio, Ben, I heard you've been giving
out money this week. Not that guy, Oh yeah, just
randomly rain on veterans and establishments. The money for our heroes.

Speaker 5 (01:38:04):
Thank you, some of us going out this week. We
had a couple of those.

Speaker 8 (01:38:07):
We get to more tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:38:08):
I think people to understand how hard it is to
coordinate all the kids to make those giveaways happen. But
the videos where the videos they rot?

Speaker 11 (01:38:16):
Are they?

Speaker 7 (01:38:16):
Another one posted today across all of our socials and
the end, like Ben said, two more tomorrow. So this
is the second one. Another one if you missed the
first one with Rob obviously you love that one. Not
a great one.

Speaker 8 (01:38:27):
Yeah, I really emotional one yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
Fine they all are.

Speaker 8 (01:38:32):
It was a little reclemped.

Speaker 5 (01:38:33):
No, Ben, your tiny heart, that's three sizes too small.

Speaker 8 (01:38:37):
I think it's more than that size is too small.

Speaker 7 (01:38:39):
I'm not going they squeeze juice from a stone for once.
There you go.

Speaker 5 (01:38:43):
Now I got both of you guys in here because
now it's time for the most exciting segment on the
radio of It's Kine and the worm of the day.

Speaker 6 (01:38:53):
Of course Grant takes it because Ben never knows what's
to say.

Speaker 5 (01:38:55):
Okay, there you go. Oh geez geez, Grant, someone DVR
the game. We should have given a little warning.

Speaker 7 (01:39:04):
Like the time the last.

Speaker 14 (01:39:08):
You're a true fan of Montana, like you're not watching
the game live it is.

Speaker 5 (01:39:12):
Sorry, sorry, jobs, I'm just saying, what is our dad
joke of ada? Please?

Speaker 7 (01:39:20):
Well, you know, I just realized that the word seven
has even in it.

Speaker 5 (01:39:25):
That's odd, good times, good times?

Speaker 9 (01:39:31):
All right?

Speaker 5 (01:39:31):
When is our word?

Speaker 7 (01:39:33):
It's an adjective adjective vernal v e r n A
l vernal.

Speaker 5 (01:39:38):
I know what that has to do with, Okay, lunar
vernal is vernal. There's a vernal equinox means.

Speaker 8 (01:39:46):
So the root spring, so it has to doring.

Speaker 5 (01:39:50):
Spring, and the other one is well.

Speaker 7 (01:39:52):
The Pagans called this the formal adjective that describes something
that relates to or occurs in the spring by the.

Speaker 5 (01:40:00):
Put a big article a couple of articles about the
spring equinox that I thought were kind of interesting on
the blog today at Mandy's blog dot com. All right,
our trivia question of today. In twenty twenty one, a
science fiction mini series called Station eleven was released.

Speaker 6 (01:40:12):
On HBO Max.

Speaker 5 (01:40:14):
It's based on a best selling book of the same name.

Speaker 9 (01:40:16):
Who wrote the.

Speaker 6 (01:40:17):
Book, I have no idea, No, I'm oh no, no no.

Speaker 5 (01:40:22):
The Old Emily Saint John mandel O color novels includes
The Glass Hotel and Sea of tranquility.

Speaker 8 (01:40:29):
Oh, I think I've actually heard of cea of tranquility.

Speaker 7 (01:40:33):
Yeah, that sounds smooth. Yellow one doesn't.

Speaker 6 (01:40:35):
Okay, we got Mandy, we got Ben, we got Grant.
What is our category?

Speaker 7 (01:40:39):
I'm always angry? Okay, which I'm not the category of? Yeah,
I'm always angry. If you're this as a hatter, you're said, Mandy,
what is mad? We're coming at you fast?

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
And this bend?

Speaker 7 (01:40:54):
What is furious? Correct? It can describe and acrid, acrid,
acrid taste or an acrimonious feeling acrid. In the song
Monty Python said, God gets quite this angry word, rhyming
it with great, Ben, what is that great? To grant?

Speaker 8 (01:41:20):
I have cereal.

Speaker 7 (01:41:21):
This sixth letter word for to irritate is properly intransitive.
The insults blank, not the insults blank me. You guys
got a winner hair because I heard read one time.
Six letter word for to irritate is properly intransitive. Wrong

(01:41:44):
answer is wrinkled.

Speaker 5 (01:41:48):
Congrats, been, congrats, and today I got no glory? Is
what I got for my guts?

Speaker 6 (01:41:54):
I don't on that way, you know what? Take the
w man the same on the scoreboard.

Speaker 8 (01:42:00):
Been in my heart will know too small.

Speaker 5 (01:42:02):
Are you doing k sports today? What do you guys
have it coming up?

Speaker 8 (01:42:05):
We go a whole bunch of stuff coming up, talking
about tournament a little bit. We've got Nick Ferguson's going
to be in here on the will.

Speaker 14 (01:42:10):
I love the Ferge Keenan Dixon from our news bear
to joining us live from Ballerina.

Speaker 6 (01:42:16):
Excellent, lots of fun.

Speaker 8 (01:42:19):
Former guest of the taking.

Speaker 5 (01:42:20):
It for granted everybody there By the way, somebody wants
you to do a taking for granted with Jesse Thomas.

Speaker 8 (01:42:25):
I will not this time here because he's a busy man.

Speaker 5 (01:42:28):
Well, I had the best time with him in Arizona.
I mean it was just going and have you done
spring training there? But I want to go so it
stay in Scottsdale. First of all, pay the money. It's
so bougie and fantastic. But that stadium is phenomenal. The
weather was incredible. It was just and I got a
couple of Rockies players that I'm going to be keeping
an eye on now.

Speaker 6 (01:42:47):
I even bought a sweatshirt. I'm back in grant I'm back.

Speaker 8 (01:42:51):
No better place on a summer day than Coursefield.

Speaker 5 (01:42:53):
Remember that. Let's just see if we can maybe field
a team though. I mean, I'm not being critical, I'm
just wondering and wishing out.

Speaker 8 (01:43:01):
One hundred losses this year.

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
Yeah, just ninety nine.

Speaker 5 (01:43:04):
No, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 6 (01:43:05):
KOA Sports coming up next.

Speaker 5 (01:43:06):
We'll be back tomorrow with another full show. All of
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