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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There's interesting things happening right now in the Colorado legislature,
and I'm being kind when I use the word interesting.
And one of the things that we have seen get
exponentially worse, I think in my time here is the
urban rural divide. And it seems like what used to
be disagreements on how money was sort of divided now
seems to be the urban corridor doesn't really want to
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hear from the rural corridor at all. And joining me
now Representative Dusty Johnson to talk about one way to
sort of push back on that, and that is a
new legislative Caucus. Representative Johnson, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
First of all, Hi, thank you Mandy for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
So tell me about the new rural coalition that has
been formed in the legislature.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yes, and you hit it spot on. There's a huge
urban rural divide. And we know our voices are aut
numbered being from rural communities just because less population means,
you know, less amount of people in a district that
have a representation. So the Rural Caucus is a joint chamber,
bipartisan effect. There's seventeen of us on it, so seventeen
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out of one hundred. We have seventeen percent of the
voice just with this caucus alone, just to stand unified
in what rural Colorado needs and making sure we are
doing this together, just because you know, when you're in
rural Colorado, we're very good at being independent, We're very
good at being firm and what we need. But that
doesn't work when Eastern Plains, Western Slope aren't working together
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because we already have a splintered voice. So by adding it,
you know, coming together at the table for the Rural Caucus,
we're making our voice stronger just in hopes that we
can have our colleagues from the Metro area urban areas
listen to it. And then also part of this caucus
is an educational outreach that we are hoping to then
help bridge the divide by saying, hey, come look at
our communities so you can see what we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Well, not only that, I mean you would think and
I grew up in a small town. I grew up
in a rural kind of community, and there was a
much greater sense of civic involvement. Now that was also
a long time ago, I understand that, but it's been
my experience that historically I think that rural people tend
to be more civic minded, and yet there's a lot
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of people in the rural areas that don't vote, and
that is like, well, you've already got a representation issue
in terms of the numbers that you have. The last
thing you need is people sitting on the sidelines. Is
that something that this is going to address.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, we're very much hoping.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I mean, it gives hope because when you're used to
not being listened all the time, sometimes the thought is
our vote doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Why are we doing it right?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
And this pushes back saying, hey, you're representatives and your
senators who you elected from you rural communities are pushing back.
We're making sure we have a seat at the table,
but we need you also to back it. And when
we invite our colleagues to the communities, it does give
that hope saying, look, we're doing things, but we do
need more numbers, so can you please show up to
the polls next time?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Right?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
So, what are some of the biggest issues that you
guys feel like are either being overlooked by the current
legislature and that you'd like to see addressed in the
near future.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And I will put this one to good friend Senator
Dylan Roberts, who is also on to give the Senate perspective,
and he's also more senior than I.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
He's saying, for a little bit longer, I should have
introduced you as well. Senator.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I'm sorry I got I jumped in with Representative Johnson
and then just I'll just let him sit there and
wait to be asked.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Sorry about that. So, Center, we're good.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
What are some of those issues that you think are
the most important.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Yeah, there are some issues that are might be top
of mind more specific to rural Colorado, and therefore us
as rural legislators work on them more. But I think
what we hope to do with this caucus is focused
those issues for the entire legislature and talk about how
things like water impacts the whole state.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
It is top of mind for.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Me and Representative Johnson and our constituents and our rural
districts every single day, you know, preserving our water, making
sure we have enough water for agriculture and for outdoor recreation,
and for folks on the front range. You know, they
don't think about water as much because you know, they
turn on the they turn on the faucet or the
shower and water comes out, and that's about it.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
But we know that if we don't make.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
The right decisions here at the capital about our water resources,
it could impact the whole state. So I think that
is first and foremost one of the biggest.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Priorities that we will talk about as a caucus.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
We also need to talk about when we pass statewide
policy at the Capitol, how does that impact smaller towns,
how does that impact rural and frontier areas where they
may be good intention and they may be coming from
ideas that are more specific to urban areas or suburbs,
could have an unintended negative consequence on the rural areas.
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And so that's what our hope is is to organize
as a group of rural legislators and then effectively go
tell that story to our colleagues. And that's why this
is a bipartisan caucus too, is because you know, I'm
a Democrat, represent Johnson's a Republican. We can work together
to determine what our caucus feels is important as a
real caucus and then go talk to our respective parties
about why they need to listen to us as ural colleagues.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Does it give your rural bills or legislative issues more
gravitazed when you say, look, we're running this bill and
it's got seventeen co sponsors, you know that sort of
span both parties.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Do you think that's going to be more helpful in
getting these bills across the finish line?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, I definitely think it's going to be. We have
so no one knows everything in this building, and there
are definitely those spaces, those leaders that people look to,
saying while if they support it both sides of THEIH
liberal chambers, then more and more inclined to because we
trust their judgment.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
On rule or water or agricultural topics.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
So by having a coalition of seventeen and we're not
saying all seventeen always have to back it, but you know,
more times than not, rule does stand together. So having
that coalition the name saying we'll go talk to so
and so if they're on your side of the party
or in your chamber, it just helps bridge that divide
even more and crosses the aisle saying well, this is
a bipartisan issue. We're seeing it on the West slope,
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we're seeing it on the Eastern plans.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
It just gives that.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
More respect aspect and even more of.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I don't know what you'd say, but it is that,
you know, more saying, hey, look at them. They're doing
it and you respect how they vote, so look at them.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
So, Senator Roberts, how many members do you have on
the Senate side?
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Yeah, so we have. Off the top of my head,
we have at least seven senators and Rep. Johnson correct
me if I'm wrong, but we in both parties, and we're,
you know, obviously a smaller chamber than the House, so
there's there's a few of us in general, but every
Senator that has parts of a rural district or entirely
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a ural district is a part of this caucus in
both parties.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I was going to ask you if there were any holdouts.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Have you had anybody that was like, no, I'm not
going to join you, even though those are the people
that I represent.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
I didn't encounter any in the Senate. I don't know
if you did in the in the House.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Rep.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Johnson, I did not in the House either.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
They are very much inclined to get on, even if
most of their district might be urban and they have
some rural we still saw them get onto this caucus
saying we want to make sure we're you know, being
a voice for all of our area.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Are you guys working on actually writing legislation as a
caucus or is this going to be somebody brings a
bill forward that they feel might be appropriate for others
on the caucus to get behind and approaches it from
that way, or maybe even a combination of both.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Yeah, I think it's going to be a combination of
all of those things. You know, we're obviously coming up
on the end of the legislative session in just about
three weeks, so we're probably past the stage of introducing
legislation for this year. But over the course of the
summer in the fall, as we prepare for twenty twenty six,
I imagine those conversations will happen. But we can also
look at existing legislation that some of our colleagues have
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brought and take a position as a real caucus or
importantly to be able to comment on legislation and maybe
oppose something or ask for amendments for something on bills
that are already in the system, so that to better
address rural concerns that might be coming up.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I would even say, I mean, we just saw this
last week with the House side of the caucus of
keeping our rural behavioral health voucher program. We came to
the table saying, this is our rural need through the
budgeting week that we just had, Please do not repeal
this program, and we explained why. A good portion of
the members on this caucus stood up saying this is
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why we need it for our community, Please don't cut this.
And we saw overwhelmingly a vote of fifty three to
ten that we kept this program because of those voices
coming together from all areas of rural across the state.
So it even helps with the budgeting and making sure
that we are getting the resources that we need.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Well, you know, I've long thought that this was probably
long overdue.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
And how who's started this?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Who said, look, we've got to get ourselves together to
represent our rural constituency, So.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
That would be I started bugging some people on the
House side, and I did end up bugging Senator Dylan
Roberts and Senator Rod Pelton and the other co chair
in the Senate saying we've had groups of breakfasts with
rural legislators who they'd kind of come around and talk
just to events and tell worse orias on the chamber,
but we haven't really had a unified voice, so this
would be something that would be great for us all
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to come together and saying they could have I mean,
we have a caucus for anything under this building, but
we didn't have a rural caucus. So there was a
huge need for it. And I'm glad that all the
colleagues came together, all seventeen of us, and said, yeah,
we want this to be something that's official.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Senator Roberts, oh, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
And for me, I was just so I'm from the
Western Slope and represent the mountains in northwest Colorado, and
as Western Slope legislators, we had always kind of had
an informal caucus Democrats and Republicans, but if you're from
the Western Slope, we'd like to work on issues together.
But I'm really excited about this because we're combining the
Western Slope rural with the Eastern Plains rural and joining forces.
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You know, we might have some differences even amongst our caucus,
because what's important the Western Slope might not be important
to the Eastern Plains, or vice versa.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
But I think more times than not we'll find agreement.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
And I think it's important that we've united the western
slope with the Eastern plains in this caucus.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I was going to ask you, Senator, are there topics
that you guys have already kind of said, you know what,
we'll just not bring that one up just yet.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Okay, Well, I.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Mean, are there are there areas where you're like, you know,
we're not ready to cross that bridge just yet.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
So I mean you kind of alluded to that in
your answer.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Yeah, there might be some geographical battles or some rivals
that play out, rivalries that play out, you know, I
think it, you know, there might.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Be some disagreements.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
You know, we it is a group of Democrats and Republicans,
and I think in total we're all some of the
more moderate folks in the building anyway, in both parties.
But there might be some issues where, you know, just
we it wouldn't be worth it to bring it up
because we might divide along party lines. But I think
almost certainly nine times out of ten we're going to
be united on things.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I think it's definitely gonna make you guys more effective,
And I do think that you know it's it's fairly
common in a state where agriculture as is important, and
yet you have these pockets of urbanization that are very
very powerful just because of the sheer numbers that are
in them. So I don't think this is a Colorado
problem as much. It is a problem that's probably being
played out in a lot of different states in how
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to divide that pot of money to make sure that
the roads in rural Colorado get taken care of.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Good news, though, guys, they don't take.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Care of them here either, So on the roads front,
we're all equal.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
So you know, we got that starting point.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
But I think it's going to be very good for
rural Colorado's to have a more unified voice and have
a little more power behind that. So hats off to
both of you, Representative Dusty Johnson and represent excuse me,
Senator Dylan Roberts for coming together on this.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Thank you, And I would just like the point I mean,
because we have such a diverse state, all four of
US co chares represent a different corner of the states.
We make sure Northeast, which represented southeast, Northwest, Southwest, to
make sure that we are making our roural caucus as.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Holistically of the state needs.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Is because you know, my rural areas out in House
District sixty three are vastly different than Senator Roberts district.
But again we understand the agriculture of the water, even
the tourism side of it, so we can use we
find that as a common denominator to stand up as
a strong voice together.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
All right, guys, thank you so much for making time
for me today.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Thank you all right.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
That is Representative Dusty Johnson and Senator Dylan Roberts.