05-12-25 FULL SHOW - The Other Side Of The GOP Money Story, And A Tariff Pause

We talk the importance of energy for human flourishing and how Colorado is making it unreliable and more expensive with Amy Oliver Cooke, Jack Corrigan joined us to talk about the firing of Bud Black and more reasons for the team's troubles. Should Trump take a plane from a country that funds terrorism, and the Hope Scheppleman, and Tom Bjorklund of the former Colorado GOP leadership team says they are being unfairly criticized by new leadership. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
You a Monday edition of the show.

Speaker 5 (00:30):
I'm your host for the next three hours, Mandy Connell
joined by my right hand man. I call him a
rod but you can call him Anthony Rodrigain. And today, boy,
we got so much stuff to talk about today, and
I just got a couple more guests, and things are happening,
and it was a big weekend.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
So let's jump right into the blog, shall we.

Speaker 5 (00:48):
You can find the blog by going to mandy'sblog dot com.
That's mandy'sblog dot com. In the latest post section, look
for the headline that says five twelve twenty five blog
the other Side at the GOP money story and a
tariff pause. Click on that and here are the headlines
you will find within tech.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Twe a winner. I think it was an office South
American arm with ships and clipments of seen that's going
to press plant.

Speaker 5 (01:13):
Today On the blog What's the Deal? With the missing
GOP money. Green energy is expensive and unreliable energy.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Rockies Firebud Black.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
This AS attendance is flagging about those Chinese tariffs, and
now Trump is doing drug prices scrolling. No, Trump doesn't
need a plane for cutter homeless advocates stay housing first
is better.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Than work first.

Speaker 5 (01:37):
Marrero Cotton a lie again. I'd rather the earth fry
than give up Hot Springs. Who went to the farmers
market this weekend? Hamas is releasing the American hostage.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Ted Trumpa calls out the Dems in Colorado.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
Even the Rockies new the twenty one to zero loss
with super bad Baby Monty Python is the best Trump
has bad intel on tea. Peter's corporate bosses have had
enough whining d forty nine in the Springs Bands, Boys
from Girls' Sports, the Deon Effect, herk Schaduur, Travis Hunter
was back at CEU to pick something up. We got

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your number, Broncos Pope Leo is a baseball guy. Jack
and Jerry react to the Bud Black firing scrolling, dude.
Those are the headlines on the blog at mandy'sblog dot
com and as you can see, whoo Gotta have two
ants for that one. Sorry, I had to get a

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little sip of something.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
I did not know this, Aaron.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
Did you know that when the end of your fingers
are pruney when you haven't just gotten out of the shower,
it means you're dehydrated?

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Did you know that when they're not pruney, no, like normal.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Fingers, you have not gotten out of the shower. Because
sometimes when you get out of the shower, your fingers
are pruney, right, yea, just like normal thing. If they're
pruney when you are not in that shower situation, then
you're very dehydrated, dehydrated.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
And I was got on the elevator A to my
hands and my holy cow, I mean I they're getting
to the pruney part. Yeah, you're really hyden. I'm dehydrated.
So I'm trying to water. What did I bring in
with me? One more time? One more drink? Just know
what I've done.

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Speaker 3 (03:29):
Take a sip.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
I got I got dehydrated yesterday on Mother's Day doing
the gardening summarizing and not s U M M A
R I z I G, which is what I thought
when I said when a Rod said summarizing to me,
and then he was like, no s U M M
E R I z I G.

Speaker 6 (03:47):
Yeah, copyright and now so you know the you summarizing,
I'll take my anshe I five whatever.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
Yeah, So getting everything ready, I feel like summer's here.
It's gonna be ninety today, but then I think it's
like cold again later this week or.

Speaker 6 (03:59):
I'm cold now is like sixties because today and tomorrow
are eighties. But yeah, two tons of rock moved, please
pulled lawn mode sprinklers on summer baby boom Man, I'm
sore ready.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah. Oh nothing like earning that pretty backyard. This is
what happened.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
Okay, let's sell you is coming on the show today
number one at twelve thirty. We are going to talk
to the wonderful Jack Corrigan. He was on the air
when the firing of Bud Black was announced, and you.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Know, here's the thing.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
Bud Black, as the manager of what is now a
historically bad baseball team, had to go.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
In all honesty, I think he should have been.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
Fired last year, but he is, by all accounts a
really great guy, and I think it is much harder
to fire a really great guy. So he's out, and
we're going to talk to Jack about that at twelve thirty.
At one o'clock, my friend Amy Oliver Cook from the
Independence Institute is joining me to talk about the reality

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of what green energy looks like in terms of what
it costs us right, and Colorado is barreling towards these
green energy net zero carbon neutral state energy goals that
are going to do two things. Number one, create reliability problems,

(05:27):
and number two, it is going to cost so much
more than what we already have.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Now.

Speaker 5 (05:35):
Between now and twenty forty, could battery technology reach a
stage that it would be reasonable to be able to
run metropolitan areas on battery.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Energy for a day. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
I have no idea what we are not remotely there now,
not even close. So Amy Oliver Cook does this great
show on Independence Institute's YouTube channel called Power Gap and
it's very interesting. It is so nerdy, but it is
so interesting. And when you start realizing sort of all
the dynamics that play in Colorado when it comes to

(06:11):
our energy production, and let's be real, there are very
few things that matter more than energy and access to energy.
And if you don't believe me, go look at the
energy situation in third world countries.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
It's a disaster.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
This is why Puerto Rico is struggling right now because
they are Puerto Rico is freaking beautiful.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
It's a beautiful island nation.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
But they're struggling right now because they can't keep the
lights on in a consistent fashion.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
And when we were down there last February, we asked everybody.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
We asked waiters and cab drivers, and I asked everybody, Hey,
what do you think Puerto Rico's biggest problem is? And
I had no idea when I started asking the question
what people were going to say. I think that's a
very interesting question to ask when you're in a place
that's someplace new and you're meeting people in a different
culture or whatever. And every single one of them said corruption.

(07:04):
And it caught me off guard. I thought they would
say keeping the lights on, right, that seemed to me
the obvious problem, but they were like.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
No corruption. But then of course it's the corruption.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
That leads to not being able to keep the lights on,
and it is holding Puerto Rico back from being the
absolute boom.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Town that it should be.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
So it's interesting how all this stuff matters so incredibly much.
And Amy's going to join me at one to talk
about her story about that. And then at two thirty
last week or the week before, I don't remember, Britta Horne,
the new chairman of the GOP Colorado Chaerop GOP, joined
me to talk about the transition, the bumpy transition that

(07:46):
has occurred between her and the prior leadership, and she
made some claims there's one hundred and forty thousand dollars
in missing money, things of that nature, and two people
from the prior administration, Hope Sheppelman Tom Yorklynn, reached out
to me and said that's not how it went down,
and I said, I welcome your side of the story,

(08:07):
and I want to be clear, I was not a
fan of the Dave Williams administration at all for a
lot of reasons. But if we are going to move
the Republican Party forward. Let's sort the dirty laundry out
in public, take care of it, shake hands, move on,
and get electable candidates to try and bring Colorado back
to some semblance of sanity.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
So we're going to do this at two thirty and.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
I'm looking forward to hearing from them and we will
have a conversation about that. Now, biggest story of the
day to day is that China and Donald Trump's administration
have agreed to a ninety day pause on the tariffs
that have been levied and then counter levied by each nation.

(08:53):
And this from media the truth peels back some of
the harshest duties imposed under President Donald Truff's Trump's April terrifike,
which sent US levies on Chinese goods soaring to one
hundred and twenty five percent. China hit back with countermeasures
and restricted key mineral exports, rattling global supply chains. Under
the new agreement, Chinese sheriffs tariffs dropped to ten percent,

(09:17):
while US tariffs fall to thirty percent, though the twenty
percent fentanyl related tariff remains untouched. So what happened over
the weekend was I was following this on X It
was really interesting because several of the reporters who were
in Switzerland outside where this was going on, so they
were getting updates.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
They were saying, look, you know, they've been in there
all day.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
Then they took a short break and they went into
dinner where they continued these conversations between Treasury Secretary Scott
Bessant and his equivalent in China.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
And that was a very hopeful sign.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
And Scott bessen came out and said, look, we had
some movement on explaining to them why these tariffs were
necessary when it come to fentanyl and the damage that
was happening because of Chinese ingredients for fentanel that are
being shipped to Mexico created indofententel and then being shipped
in the United States.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
That's the supply chain there. So a few things were moved.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
And you know, I heard Ross earlier saying that he
believes that Trump backed down on tariffs, and I look
at this completely differently if you believe, and I've been
really open about this on the show, I really believe
that Trump views tariffs as the bludgeon to bring everybody

(10:35):
to the table and get some kind of deal done.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
And I've thought this from the very beginning.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
And I've also thought, and I've said this to people,
It's always about China. Everything else is secondary. China is
the primary concern. Right If we can get a deal
with China, then we can get a deal with everyone
because all of the dominoes fall from there. China is
the most important country that we have to get some
kind of deal with.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Now we don't have a deal. Terriffs have been dropped
to a very low rate, and you know, but this
is not a deal. This is not what it's going
to look like.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
So if you believe, as I believe, that tariffs are
a bludgeon to get us here now here, here's what
happens next. The markets have gone insane today, I mean
they've gone really, really insane, and the Chinese markets have
responded in kind. So everybody's like, yay, party on Wayne.
Everything's great. Now we go back to the negotiating table
and say, look.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
A trade war is not in either of our interests.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
Look what happens when we announce that we are moving
towards a freer set of trades. I mean, it changes
the dialogue because you've demonstrated the repercussions.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Of doing something else. I mean, I could be totally wrong.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
I'll be the first to admit it, but my explanation
makes sense far more than I think the oversimplification.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
That Trump back down. First of all, I just don't.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
See Trump being the back down kind of guy, and
if he did, I think he would have spun it differently.
I long believe that this is the endgame, that we're
now seeing what all the tariffs are about. These these
you know, two days of meeting in Switzerland and now
we have a lowering of terrors for ninety days, and
we're going to work something out. I truly believe they
will work something out. I truly believe that the shock

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to the system was enough to remind the Chinese that
they don't want their workers protesting in the streets, which
is what's been happening on a very small scale.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
They don't need that to spread.

Speaker 5 (12:34):
China is still struggling to recover like the world is
from COVID.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
They stayed locked down.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
Far longer than everybody else did, so it's not like
they're on great financial footing. They can manipulate the numbers
and manipulate their market far better than we can do here.
To give the appearance of rosiness, right, But the reality
is they've got they've got some issues at home that
makes it more attractive for them to say.

Speaker 7 (13:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
And I'm just gonna say it, there's no doubt in
my mind that whatever trade deal we cut with China,
they're going to cheat on it.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
I just I'm just.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
Pretty sure that's gonna happen, you know. So, but at
least we've got a framework. We'll see, we'll see what
it looks like.

Speaker 8 (13:16):
But I I don't know.

Speaker 5 (13:18):
I think this is in my mind, this is where
we were headed, this is what was needed. We shall
see Mandy. Those who claim Trump caved are simply saying
that to save face, they predicted disaster. Or I actually
think is they just don't care for Trump, you know,
and when you really don't like someone, it colors your viewpoint.

(13:39):
This is something I had been battling for years when
it comes to Trump. Yeah, I mean, I don't like
the guy. I just don't like him personally. I just
he's a type of personality type I struggle with. But
I try really hard to recognize that that I already
don't like the guy, So I'm trying to judge him fairly.

(14:00):
I'm probably not gonna always see it with a keen eye.
So I do think when people are saying, oh, he cave,
maybe that's because they're dislike for Trump has led them
down that pathway, because if you don't think he's capable
of doing anything right, then you're always going to be
expecting him to get whatever wrong. Mandy just returned from
Puerto Rico of Saturday and saw how many of the

(14:23):
original governmental buildings on Constitutional Boulevard are shuttered. Nearby buildings, hotels,
and support facilities are also shuttered. Corruption is high on
many people's minds. The best thing that could happen to
Puerto Rico, and I mean the absolute best thing that
could happen to Puerto Rico is if the Justice Department said,

(14:43):
and I don't even know if they have this authority.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
To be perfectly honest, I have no idea under the territorial.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
Situation we have with the Puerto Rico, but the Justice
Department needs to say, we're going in, We're going to
investigate corruption in Puerto Rico, and they have to put
some people in jail, because that's the the only thing
that's gonna turn that island around. It's this is part
of What is so upsetting to me about what's happening
in the United States right now because we watched from

(15:10):
the right the Biden Department of Justice become corrupted in
order to go after political opponents.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
I don't even like.

Speaker 5 (15:19):
Donald Trump, but his whole conviction in New York was absurd.
So all of this politically motivated stuff, right and now
on the on the left, they're looking at Donald Trump,
who's like, yeah, I'm gonna take a Boeing seven forty
seven from Cutter and fly it around as Air Force
one and then they're gonna give it to my Presidential Library.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
But we've decided it's fine.

Speaker 7 (15:43):
What what what?

Speaker 1 (15:48):
What?

Speaker 3 (15:49):
I'm I'll be honest.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
Sometimes Chuck will be scrolling social media and he'll ask
me about a story, you know, and a lot of
these things he sees on social media are just clickbait
and they're stupid or whatever.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
They're not true.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
He says to me, did Trump just agree to take
a plane from Cutter and then take it with him
as he left office?

Speaker 3 (16:08):
And I was like, what, No?

Speaker 5 (16:11):
And then I pull up my phone and I'm like,
oh wait, I'd like to amend my no with a
apparently yes. So when you get to the point where
corruption is the norm on both sides, right like, whoever's
in charge, you get to do what you want, You
get to use the system to your advantage. Then you
become Puerto Rico, and then you can't keep the lights on,

(16:34):
and then you're squandering, you know, so much potential. There's
nothing worse in this world than wasted potential. In my mind,
Mandy Trump accepting a jumbo plane.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Oh yes, Texter.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
Let me just you know, I'm trying to figure out
some way to give him the benefit of the doubt
on this, but I've got it on the blog today
and it goes like this. So, Cutter, the nation which
is funded a tram indus amount of terrorism directed at
US and the West, the nation that has funded terrorist

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groups that have attacked Israel relentlessly, has now offered a
brand new seven forty seven Dash eight Boeing seven forty
seven Dash eight jumbo jet from the Royal family of Cutter.
Now here's where it gets great. This plane will be
available for use by the President as the new Air

(17:29):
Force one until shortly before he leaves office, at which
time ownership of the plane will be transferred to the
Trump Presidential Library Foundation.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
And this was just said with a straight face. And
by the way, Attorney General Pambondi is like, Nope, we checked.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
Perfectly fine to get massive gifts from a foreign monarchy,
perfectly fine.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
It's not perfectly fine, not even a little bit.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
So today we have Trump doing something amazing and we're
making sure the Chinese stay engaged, got another ninety days
dropping those tariffs, giving the markets a little relief. And
then we have them doing something terrible, which is I'm
going to take a free plane from somebody that should
be our sworn enemy. But I'm sure it will be fine.

(18:22):
Welcome to another day in the Trump administration. It's like,
just when I just want to just say nice things,
he turns around and does that, and now I can't
just say nice things.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
It's been tough, extremely tough.

Speaker 5 (18:38):
But probably tough for one of the well half rather
of the crack duo we have here for Kowa's broadcast team,
Jack Corrigan joining me today. Jack, is this the first
time a manager has ever been let go right after
a win in your experience?

Speaker 9 (18:56):
Wow, Off the top of my head, I couldn't tell
you that, Mandy. That's a great question. I mean For
all the years I've done baseball and managerial changes, I
haven't had too many that have taken place within the season.
And you know, when Jim Tracy replaced Clint Hurdle in

(19:20):
two thousand and nine, I'd believe that was after a loss.
And the only other time was that in my experiences,
when John mcnamer was let go in Cleveland and they
hired Mike Cargrove. And again, I'd have to look it up,
but I would I would say we'd be safe to

(19:40):
assume it's a rarity.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
Yeah, but this there was. There was no way this
wasn't going to happen. It's just the way things are going, Jack,
And you know, I watch these games and it has
been it's been very frustrating because it feels like this
team they go out on the field feeling defeated. That's
how I looks, and you know, you want better for

(20:03):
the players, But is this gonna be enough to significantly
move the needle this year?

Speaker 9 (20:08):
Well, I disagree with you a little bit that they
go out there feeling defeated. I think what has happened
with the injuries that sort of happened rapid fire, you know,
right at the end of spring training, Tyro Estrada, who
is going to take over at second base, gets hit

(20:29):
by a pitch and breaks his wrist. Second game of
the season, Ezekiel Tovar hurts his hip. He tries to
play through it and can't, and he's missed more than
half the games, although hopefully he'll be back sometime this week.
Brenton Doyle gets hurt and then has to go on

(20:50):
bereavement to leave after getting hurt, and all of a sudden,
the middle of your often and defense has been has
been put on the shelf, and that didn't help. But yeah,
you know, we knew. Jerry, myself, the people who follow

(21:14):
the team, the team itself knew that it was going
to be a challenge, especially in the first half of
this team as they transition in young people and try
and find out who can play and who can't. I
told people it'll be a much different looking roster come
August than what's going to break camp from Arizona, and

(21:37):
that they'd be a better team as the year went on.
I don't think anybody foresaw the injuries and the struggles
for the pitching staff, most especially the starting pitching staff
and managers. Head coaches. I mean, they get they're the

(21:57):
fall guys, and a very good manager happened to be
the fall guy here. And Buddy, why why.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Has it been in your estimation?

Speaker 5 (22:07):
Why has it been so brutally hard over the last
few years, Because even if we have injuries, every team
has to deal with injuries every team. That's that's where
you you know, you've got to have that minor league
system that is just producing guys that are able to
slide in.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
For those games that they need to cover. Right, maybe
not whole.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
Season yet, but slide them in for those times. And
it's just this has been just really rough the last
few years.

Speaker 9 (22:34):
Well, I think, and you're I'm not going to disagree
with you in terms of that, Mandy. And and when
you look as dispassionately as you can in my chair
or in you know, your situation. You know, the strong

(22:55):
baseball fans, uh from the time when in seventeen and
eighteen when they made the postseason. They went through a
stretch between that time, you know, the late teams into
maybe twenty one where they didn't get much out of

(23:17):
the draft. They had a lot of misses and that's
and that's the problem. And so yes, you talk about
finding help in the minor league system, and for whatever
the reasons were, they weren't as good as people thought.
They got hurt and couldn't perform all those things. There's

(23:41):
no doubt when you're a draft and developed team like
the Rockies, because you're not going to get free agent
pitchers to come to Denver with the challenges of bouncing
between altitude and sea level and all those things. So
if you're relying on your international signings and your draft
to try and sustain things, and you have a stretch

(24:06):
where you've missed, that's why you're seeing what you're seeing
right now. And I would hope as the year goes on,
not only are the Rockies going to evaluate Warren Shafer
the product they have on the field, they need to
look hard at how they're running the minor league system,

(24:30):
how are.

Speaker 8 (24:31):
They drafting, how are they scouting?

Speaker 9 (24:33):
Right are they spending You know, fans a lot of
times say, well, he doesn't the ownership doesn't want to
pay for the big free agents. You know, Tampa Bay doesn't,
Cleveland doesn't, Milwaukee doesn't for the most part. But what
they have spent money on is in their scouting and

(24:54):
in their development, you know, through the ranks of the miners,
and I think that's something the rock He's are going
to have to look very hard at because they've had
too many misses over say, the last ten years, and
the result is what we've seen the last two years,
and really much so this year.

Speaker 5 (25:16):
I couldn't agree with you more. I want to leave
this on a high note, though, Jack, because you know,
and I said this at the beginning of the show,
Bud Black had to go right. It's just the nature
of the beast, as you said, and it's just part
of the job. But by all accounts, he's just a really,
really good guy, and I think that makes it harder
when you've got to hire a fire a good guy.

(25:37):
So give me your favorite Bud Black memory that you
are going to, you know, have their when you run
into him again to laugh about later.

Speaker 9 (25:47):
You know, Buddy and I have known each other since
nineteen eighty eight when he got traded to Cleveland, and
you know, on and off, and especially since he came
here as the manager. I mean that friendship has lasted,
you know, thirty five plus years. It wouldn't be just

(26:08):
one thing, per se other than what I'm going to
miss when I would go in to his office to
do the Bud Black Show for pregame, that interviews, you know,
five minutes and change. Most nights with Buddy and I
was usually fifteen twenty minutes because we'd talk about what's

(26:31):
happened in baseball. We'd a couple of old guys telling stories.
You know, hey, remember when Charlie Man, you know, those
kinds of things. That's what I'm going to miss. I mean,
those days of knowing, Okay, this is my day to
interview Buddy, because Jerry and I would go back and forth,
you know, take turns. Somebody didn't have to have the

(26:53):
same guy asking a question one hundred and sixty two times.
When I when it was my day, it was, oh yeah,
I get to sit in Buddies office today. And what
do we talk about? You know, we might talk about
a good restaurant or a movie or a book or
anything in addition to baseball. That's what I'm going to miss,

(27:13):
and I look forward to when we cross as again
to renew that relationship.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
Well, you know, Jack, I'm hoping against hope that this
provides some kind of jolt, some kind of you know,
shock to the system that is going to help these
guys write this ship.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
I'm not convinced it will. If it's between me and you.

Speaker 5 (27:33):
I you know, I think you and I just talked
about some bigger problems that have to be addressed, and
so I'm interested to see what else they do. And
I am very interested to see how the guys respond.
And I hope it's uh. I hope it is a
kick in the pants that is needed to sort of
move things in the right direction.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
You know.

Speaker 9 (27:51):
And one thing I want to say, Mandy and he
and I were talking this morning Warren Shapeer. You know,
people go, oh, that's just the same. They just promoted
from Olympvan and sometimes you have to do that in
a mid season change. Warren Shaker is a high energy,
high baseball IQ guy who was going to get his

(28:16):
chance to be a manager. And I hope and in
this period of time that the ball club does respond
to him a little bit, and at the end of
the year it's like, Hey, we're going to stay with
Shape because you know, he's he's making a difference. And
like the Nuggets with David Adelman after Michael Malone got fired,
you never know that new voice with the same folks

(28:40):
produces a better result, and let's hope that's the case.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
Amen, your lips to God's ears. All right, Jack, we'll
see at the ballpark soon.

Speaker 9 (28:48):
Sounds good, Mandy. Thanks, have a good one.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
That is Jack Corgan. We'll be right back.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
I want to continue just for a moment because I
need to clarify a couple of things about the Katari
jet and all that stuff. I'm well, I'm still eye
rolling over it, but I have more information. Before the
conversation with Jack, we were talking about this story about
Trump accepting a gift from Cutter. Now, guys, if the

(29:14):
UK wanted to buy us a jet, I would be like,
you know what, we're friends. You guys are awesome. Well,
I mean we're practically your children. Yeah, I will take
the jet. But the reality is is that this is
not a friendly nation to Western civilization. Okay, Cutter funds
a lot of terrorism, some of which directly probably murders Americans.

(29:40):
And now we're gonna and now Trump says I'm gonna
take this plane, and then when he leaves office, according
to news stories, someone else said a different Like the
old air Force, one would go to the Trump Presidential Library,
which makes more sense than a new Air Force one
going to the Trump Presidential Library, because operating a seven

(30:02):
forty seven is incredibly expensive. But if you want to
display a decommissioned seven forty seven that used to be
Air Force one, that would be super cool and a
very big draw to the Trump Library, because I would go.
I mean, I went to the SS Intrepid in USS

(30:23):
Intrepid in New York so.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
I could sit on the concord. They get a little
concords were tiny. I had no idea.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
They were like the little dinky planes and not exactly luxurious.
I'm just throwing that out there too.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
I didn't know.

Speaker 5 (30:37):
But of course, when you make it from New York
to London in two hours or whatever it was, you
don't need luxurious. I digress, But that would be pretty
dope to have the current Air Force one and be
able to put it in the Trump Library. I mean,
that's that's pretty cool. And there's another part to this
that Boeing was supposed to deliver Air Force one already

(31:00):
and they just pushed the date back to twenty thirty
before the Trump administration was like I'm sorry, what and
so now they bumped it up to twenty twenty seven.
But I think maybe always looking for the ulterior motive
here as a negotiating you know, bargaining chip. Perhaps this
is just another way to get Boeing off their duff

(31:21):
to get the real air force one, you know, done
in a timely fashion. But I did feel like I
owed that great better explanation. Even though taking a plane
from Cutter is like taking a plane from the Russians.
I if I were the president of the United States,
I would not be certain that there wasn't some kind

(31:44):
of kill switch in this plane, you know what I mean,
excessively clever kill switch.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
I just I wouldn't take money or an airplane from
people who regularly support groups that run around chanting death
to a mirror.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
I mean, if you're trying to make a splash, put.

Speaker 5 (32:05):
Their plane, you know, their president New York plane, your
gift plane, and then fly it into the Pentagon. I'm
not saying that it's gonna happen. I'm just saying, have
we not seen how these things can go terribly wrong?
So maybe not, maybe not, we should not do this.
Maybe hope it's just a ploy. When we get back

(32:27):
Amy Oliver Cook is half of the won't call them
the Power Gab duo Power Gab being the new show, Well,
it's not new, it's been around for a long time.
That they do on energy policy in the Independence Institute's
YouTube channel. Yeah, they're a party over. As a matter
of fact, let me just read. I was texting with Amy.
I texted her this morning to see if she could
come on and talk about this column that she wrote about,

(32:50):
you know, energy in Colorado, and I said. She responded
very very late. She said, Hey, Mandy, sorry, I'm late responding.
I'm in a regulatory boot camp from eight to five
pm all this week. How long do you need me?
And I just sent back a regulatory boot camp sounds horrible.
We'll find out what that is. But we'll also talk
about a column about how Jared Poulis's push to reach

(33:15):
net zero in Colorado by twenty forty is about to
jack up our energy bills along with creating a reliability problem.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
We'll talk about that next.

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Speaker 3 (33:51):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the second hour of the show.

Speaker 5 (33:53):
And I'm please as punch to have one of the
smarty pantss from the Independence Institute. She's Amy Oliver Cook,
and she and Jake Fogelman do a very nerdy but
also entertaining show on the Independence Institute's YouTube channel called
power Gab, which is a clever play power grab, power gab,
get it only they just talk about energy stuff and

(34:15):
it's very, very interesting. And Amy's on the show now
to talk about a column she just wrote about how
our governor's net zero dreams are going to not only
make us a lot poorer, they are also going to
have us wondering if the lights will come on when
we need them to.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Amy, welcome back to the show.

Speaker 8 (34:33):
Hey, thanks Mandy. I appreciate you and appreciate the kind
words about power Gab. Yeah, it is quite nerdy. I
haven't often heard it called entertaining, but I guess you know,
even people who don't think they're funny occasionally can be funny.

Speaker 5 (34:47):
Sometimes a blind squirrel finds a nut. Amy, But I
know you're very funny. Wait, we have to get a
little piece of business out of the way really quickly.
You are at a regulatory boot camp. There are easier
ways to lose weight. Amy, Okay, there's god.

Speaker 8 (35:00):
What is that? This just goes to show you why
I do something called power gab. This is actually eight
to five Monday through Friday this week. It is the
basics of utility and electricity regulation. Wow, it's the stuff
that DC commissioners look at. Right And in fact, in

(35:24):
just a moment we'll be talking about revenue requirements.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Oh yeah, if you know how to party, I do.

Speaker 8 (35:33):
I do. I know how to have a great time.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Fred to join me? No, good, I'm good.

Speaker 5 (35:40):
This is why the independence ins to do is so necessary.
So Amy can go to regulatory boot camp and the
rest of us don't have to.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Let's talk about your column.

Speaker 8 (35:48):
That's exactly Yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:49):
Colorado's forced march to energy uncertainty. This is almost a
victory lap in a way, because you guys predicted what
is now happening in terms of what this green transition
is going to cost a few years ago.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
But of course the governor said.

Speaker 8 (36:06):
Uh yeah, yeah, And actually I should say this, I
really want to be wrong, right, Like there is no
pleasure in being right in any of this. First time
I wrote about increased prices and decrease reliability was in December,
I think it was December twenty ten, and oh no,

(36:31):
that's not going to happen. And you know, and the
thing is you could just see where all of this
was going, and that once you can see it, then
you can't unsee it. And yeah, we are. The governor
thinks we are going to power the state with wind
foller plus batteries. And then and then I love this,

(36:58):
back it up with quote clean unquote hydrogen. What that
means is hydrogen produced from wind, solar and batteries. I
also think they're going to power you know, these data centers,
AI platforms and electrify the entire state with you know,

(37:24):
evs and home heating and listen, the math just doesn't
work it and math is math. I don't care if
you want to go two plus two equals four, but
the math, the math just does not work. One of
two things will happen. Will be on an energy starvation diet,

(37:47):
meaning you're not going to always have power when you
need it, or the state's going to just be bankrupt
trying to trying to do all of this because based
on the load growth that we were looking at the
load in twenty twenty three Commission of paper in twenty
twenty three or twenty twenty two, and it was released

(38:09):
in twenty twenty three, and we looked at the load
growth and that was before AI these data plan you know,
all of the data centers and AI platforms, and we
looked at but we looked at what Polus's We looked
at what his goal was, which was the entire electrification
of the state, and at that point, you know, you'd

(38:33):
need a peak load right now is about twenty thousand megawatts.
It doesn't mean a lot other than to say this
that to accommodate peak load, including evs and home heating,
we will have to build out ten times that all
have in wind, solar and batteries. And the cost you're

(38:57):
looking at almost seven one hundred billions, with a b
billion dollars in costs. Now, Polus has in the past said, oh,
you know, it's not going to cost that much. We
did our first study in twenty seventeen I think it
was or maybe twenty eight. I can't you know. Dates

(39:18):
all run together. At my age but anyway, we were
the first one we came up with, he said, and
I think our price tech was forty five billion, whippe.
And we said, you could do it cheaper if you
buy energy credits, you know, which is sort of like
indulgences to Fluke. And he said, no, it won't be

(39:41):
I don't know how much it'll cost, but it won't
be that expensive. And so we did it again and
came up with another figure that was in the hundreds
of billions of dollars, and they sort of, you know,
mocked it, and here we are. We did a third one,
and we also showed that you could do if you
want to totally decarbonize, you could do it for cheaper

(40:03):
with nuclear. It's still going to be extensive, but it's
just going to cost far less than the wind and
solar model, the couple of things. And of course everybody's like, no,
that's not true. Nobody has ever given us a cost.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
Well, and that's the part amy that I always find
so comical. And that's why I joke when I say
the governor responded by saying nahh, because that's all he's
responded as saying, like, no, your numbers are wrong. Well,
then give us your numbers. Your numbers are wrong. It's
like this circular kind of thing.

Speaker 8 (40:33):
You know, I went down a rock, give us a
total system costs, and that's the problem.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
We already have nations that have done this, right. We've
got Germany because I went down this rabbit hole like
a month ago and I was like, okay, where are
Germany's energy prices?

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Well, they're the highest in the EU.

Speaker 5 (40:49):
They also rely most on wind and solar, but in
Germany it's gloomy all winter long, so they don't get solar,
and when the wind stops blowing, they have to by
natural gas or they buy power from surrounding states. But
their energy prices are are literally destroying their their industrial production.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
It's it's it's.

Speaker 5 (41:11):
Driving people out of Germany to take their production elsewhere.
We already know how this song ends, you know, So
why do we even have to have fake numbers coming
from the government in the first place.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
We can just say, look, they're already doing this.

Speaker 8 (41:25):
It doesn't it doesn't end. Well, nobody has done this successfully,
no one, no state, no state, No one's done this successfully.
They won't provide you a full system costs because they
know that you will absolutely say no. And to to
your point about the de industrialization, that's why the important

(41:45):
thing is we're it will be the economic ruin of
the state. And that doesn't just mean the state not
being able to afford it. You're talking about the complete
the industrialization.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Right.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Well, we went through this to only.

Speaker 8 (41:59):
One I kind of live and I know, let.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
Me know when you have to go, I'm gonna keep
you as long as I can. In Kentucky, there was
a big scuttle butt about aluminum plants closing, and at
the same moment that we're trying to bring industry back.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
The reason what one of these.

Speaker 5 (42:14):
Aluminum plants was closing was because of the power usage.
Right It just become unsustainable for variety of reasons. But
that was the first time I really thought about how
those things are connected. And right now in the United States,
I just checked and this number may not be right
right at this second, but power here is about sixteen
cent per kilowatt hour in the United States average from

(42:35):
what I just saw. In Germany it's thirty nine. So
we're talking about, you know, almost triple. So when we're
talking about being competitive, this is incredibly important. And Utah
is right next door, and you've got you know, Nebraska
right next door, and they're competing for the same business
we're competing for, right, So why is someone going to
come to Colorado when they know that their costs, especially

(42:57):
tech is going to come here and then all of
a sudden their AI farm, you know, server farm is
going to cost them just you know, through.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
The route because power costs so much. I just how
do they not see this? Amy?

Speaker 8 (43:09):
It's so clear to me, clear to you, and clear
to a whole bunch of other people, including our surrounding states,
who are sort of like, Okay, Colorado wants to go
off a cliff. Yeah, just let it, because I tell
my friends on the western slope just throw a throw
a giant extension cord across the state line if you're
out of power. But seriously, you had a downtown Denver developer,

(43:35):
developer in downtown Denver who's just trying to build apartments
and like it first in Broadway or something. I mean,
we're talking about downtown Denver. And he said, beside, besides financing,
which is always kind of an issue, right, he said,
his other number one concern is reliable power.

Speaker 9 (43:56):
Now you're not.

Speaker 8 (43:56):
Talking about downtown Aleppo or stand why Mogadishu talking about
downtown Denver. And you have other developers saying that some
of these regulations, these force you know, these building codes,
that it's they can't do business down there.

Speaker 5 (44:16):
Well, our real estate, some of our commercial real estate
has absolutely collapsed because people are looking at the cost
to retrofit these buildings and they can't pay twenty five
million for a building and then spend fifty million to
retrofit it. I mean, they're destroying the market for older
office buildings in Denver.

Speaker 9 (44:35):
Yeah, you are.

Speaker 8 (44:37):
I mean all of that, all of that is true.
And to the point, why don't they see it? Boy,
that's the question I've been asking myself for the last
fifteen years in this state. How do they not see
what they're doing? And actually the governor Polis for sure,
should take a lion's share of the blind on this.

(45:01):
But we've had state legislatures that have you know, codified
all of these crazy ideas by saying things like, oh,
what's not to like? Wind and solar are are free
and it will create jobs, and as if it's it's
some kind of panacea. It's going to solve all of

(45:22):
our problems. You know what else. The other thing is
those very lawmakers that did that initially back you know,
we're talking like during the Ritter administration. They're all gone.
All of those people are gone, and they will be
gone when all proverbial you know what hits the fan
and folks don't have power. And that's why I think

(45:42):
the state knows it. That's why they're giving away medicaid
or they're giving away giant batteries to medicaid patients who
have life sustaining equipment.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
So Amy, let me ask you about batteries for a second,
because I know you know more about them than I do.
What is our actual battery potential right now? Can we
power a city the size of Denver for any length
of time on battery power?

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Currently?

Speaker 10 (46:11):
No?

Speaker 8 (46:12):
No, no, no, we don't have we No, you can't.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
And how big? What those batteries have to be?

Speaker 8 (46:20):
Gigantic? And the other thing is they have to be
in some kind of climate controlled facility. I mean, the
whole thing's almost comical. And how do you have the
climate controlled?

Speaker 5 (46:30):
I was going to ask that, but then I thought
maybe my IQ would drop if I asked that question.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
I heard the answer because I have a feeling.

Speaker 8 (46:35):
I know what it is. Yeah, yeah, sorry, sorry about that.
But all of this is is is comical almost if
if we weren't actually doing it, and they are in
search of this net zero utopia and putting putting the

(46:58):
emissions above people. I think Chris Wright said it best
when he called net zero this goal that the Colorado
legislature and the governor, and of course you have the
PUC by the way, the PUC. We can all be
angry at the PUC, but their hands are tied. They
have to do what the legislature tells them to do, right,

(47:20):
So there they're going after this goal that Chris Wright,
you know, a Secretary of Energy, said is sinister. It
is because it puts emissions and a political agenda above
human thriving.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
It is.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
It is just it.

Speaker 8 (47:40):
It's downright evil for political posturing purposes.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
That that's the thing. All it is is about political posturing.

Speaker 5 (47:46):
I want to ask you one more question before you
have to go back to your regulatory boot camp. I
can't even believe that's a thing, but I'm going to
keep saying it because I'm just shocked by this. Please
ask your guest, and I'm talking to Amy Oliver Cook
from the Independence Institute. You can watch your show power
Gap on IV's YouTube channel.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
This one says, please ask your.

Speaker 5 (48:05):
Guest to comment on the failure of the Spanish electric
grid last week, which took out Spain, Portugal and parts
of southern France as well. From what I understand, the
problem with that is that when you have a renewable grid,
when it all shuts down and you have to start
it from zero, it takes a really long time.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Is that accurate?

Speaker 8 (48:24):
Yeah, okay, yes to some extent, yes, yeah, but it's
not the whole thing. So we actually did an entire
power gap on this, So I would encourage people to
go look just watch that. Two people first murdered than
Jake and I would could ever be but well, at
least me Jake. But we had two guys on there

(48:46):
talking about it, and there are a couple of things
with that. The problem is something called inertia. The grid
went down and there was nothing, There was nothing road.
You need some kind of movement, some kind of energy
to get started, and they just didn't. They didn't have it.

(49:11):
And actually I'm going to give Spain a lot of
credit for this. They actually came back online far faster
than anyone would have thought that they would have because
they relied on get this Morocco. So Morocco actually saved them.

(49:31):
And my apologies, I've got another call. Somebody else who
doesn't know I'm in regulatory boot camp keeps trying to
beat me.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
But well, here's why I'll leave you with this one
last question to that point, When.

Speaker 5 (49:43):
Everybody goes green and renewable, who are we going to
buy our energy from it when we need it?

Speaker 3 (49:48):
When Morocco's green.

Speaker 7 (49:50):
You can't.

Speaker 8 (49:51):
Well you can't. And so that's the other thing. Colorado
also thinks the way it's going to solve its problem
is it's going to import power when it needs it.
The problem with that is every other state also thinks
it's going to import power. And I was in North
Carolina and in twenty twenty two Christmas Eve twenty twenty two,

(50:11):
they also thought they were importing power. But when you
have a regional weather event, there is no power available.
So even though you have a power purchase agreement and
somebody has agreed to sell power to you, if they
have customers that need it, guess what, Yep, you're not

(50:31):
getting it. So this idea that we're going to rely
on somebody else to get power, I mean, think about
how crazy that is if it's a regional weather event.
If you think Wyoming or Utah or anybody else is
going to sell us power. I've got, you know, some
some swampland in Arizona for you too, Amy.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
Oliver Cook. I watched Power Gap. It's very good, and.

Speaker 5 (50:56):
You guys keep it nice and short, right, so people
if they are trying to learn, it's a very it's
half an hour at most. I actually listened to it
in my car, which frustrates me when you show a graph.
So try and keep that to a minimum if you could. Yeah,
if you could just be thinking about there you go,
just like Mandy's in her car right now. How do
I make this work? Thank you so much for the
time today, Amy, I really appreciate it, all right.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
I talked to you later.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
Her column today on Complete Colorado dot Com. It's actually
from a couple of days ago, but I the show
was preempted so up much last night or last week.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
I'm pulling stuff through to this week.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
It's very, very, very good, and I'm starting to pay
a lot more attention. Not that I wasn't paying attention before,
but since I went to the Nuclear Museum, I'm kind
of fascinated with some of the developments that are going
on right now. They have a salt reactor that is
extremely cool, and I want to get somebody on to

(51:53):
talk about that, because right now we have water cool
uh react. And please don't take anything I'm about to
say as being anything more than the most base, rudimentary knowledge.
My knowledge about this is so small, and that nice

(52:14):
man at the Nuclear Museum who was giving us a
tour tried really hard to help me understand nuclear fission.
It all just bounced right off, and just dk D
think just bounced. Apparently my brain when it hears the
words nuclear fission just goes I'll think I'm.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Gonna have a cup of tea and just checks out.

Speaker 5 (52:33):
But some of the stuff that's happening can make nuclear
extremely safe. And the salt reactor thing has a series
of of sort of fail.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Safes, you know.

Speaker 5 (52:45):
So it's just we're so close to nuclear power being
able to take over a lot of this load. Did
anybody else see yesterday on CBS Sunday Morning. I didn't
put it on the blog that I forgot. They did
a story on those way more driverless cars, and we
saw him in Arizona, and I didn't have a chance
because we rented a car. I didn't have a chance
to use a Weaimo. But their track record for safety

(53:08):
is very impressive. But they did focus on some of
the situation that Weimo has gotten itself into, like a
standoff in a parking lot with a bunch of waymos
all honking at each other angrily as only a driverless
car can do. So I think there's a few things

(53:29):
like I feel like we're on the cusp. And maybe
it's because we talked to Thomas Fryar futurists once a
month and we hear all the cool stuff that's coming.
I feel like we're on the cusp of a few
things that are going to fundamentally change the way we
do society. Let's do those next, just because I've got
them popping.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Into my head right now. This is going to be
one of those. I was alive for that back in.

Speaker 5 (53:53):
So I was in middle schools, like eighth grade, ninth grade.
I can't remember my hometown. We only had on high
school for a really long time. For the whole county.
So our middle school was seventh, eighth, and ninth grade,
which was not It wasn't bad, it was fine. And
then high school was tenth, eleventh to twelfth. So in
one of those eight or ninth grade years, I don't
know which one, we had to interview someone.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
That was like an old person.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
I think the first person that I interviewed was fifty six,
which is hilarious because now I had sit here at
fifty five and I'm like, if some kid would an
interview with me about being an old person, I would
be ticked off. But I ended up speaking to this
woman who, uh gosh, she was. I don't even know
how old she was. I don't remember. So this was
like nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
She had lived through the.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
Invention of the automobile, through the Great Depression, through World
War One, through World War Two, through the Korea.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
I mean, she her life just spanned all of.

Speaker 5 (54:51):
These incredible things, the invention of radio, the development of television,
Like we got computers, but they got a lot of
cool stuff before we got computers. But all of that
being said, there are a few things going back to
the waymo cars that I was just talking about that
that I feel like are going to be significant sort

(55:13):
of game changers that we're not sort of paying attention to.
One of them is driverless cars. And you know, when
Thomas Fry first suggested to me that it would only
be a decade before we were hopping into driverless cars
to take us around town, and.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
I was like, no, not me.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
No, I'm like, you know, what, can I get one
to drive me to work every day and drive me home?
Because that gives me a half hour of my life.
I get back to do something productive. Driving is not
productive for me.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
I don't like it.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
You know, there's people who's like, I love to drive,
and I always think to myself, you must not live
in a city because nobody is driving down I twenty
five in a rush hour and going, God, I love this,
so fantastic, so good. No wad says that, but driverless
cars are so much safer. They're still not where they

(56:04):
need to be in terms of being able to navigate
all situations. But the story that was on CBS Sunday
Sunday Morning yesterday about Waimo was about all of the
different things. It has light ar, it has radar, it
has all of these things around the car, So not
only can it see what's in its immediate vicinity, it
can see like three hundred yards ahead of it, and

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all of these things are being computed at lightning speed,
and then the car reacts accordingly. It just gets confused
in parking lots. At least you're going slow at that point, right.
But that being said, that's going to change auto driving.
Over a million people die in the United States every
year in auto accidents.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Think about that for a second. We're freaking out.

Speaker 5 (56:47):
When we're losing two hundred thousand people to COVID, and
yet we are all willing to accept the risk of
getting in our cars and driving home every day, even
though we have a far more likely chance of dying
that way than we did of COVID. Ever, and don't
get me wrong, I'm not trying to downplay deaths here.
I'm talking about statistics. When you talk about statistics, there's

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not real people attached. Even if there are, it's a
more sanitized way, certainly, not meaning to be insensitive, but
think about that.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
I mean, what else do we do.

Speaker 5 (57:17):
On a regular basis, Like, Yeah, over a million of
us are gonna.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
Die every year doing this.

Speaker 5 (57:21):
We're all like Oh it's fine, it's so convenient. Oh,
driverlest cars are going to change that equation. They're gonna
mean a million more people are surviving every year, maybe
not all of them, but they don't have accidents. So
that part is super fascinating. And then you throw in
the robotics part, and you know, we share videos that

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are downright terrifying. They're terrifying because we haven't had the
experience that we are all going to have in the future.
Two things are happening at exactly the same time. One
is very concerning. One is is that the population is
going to decline significantly because we are not making enough
babies to meet the replacement rate, and it's happening.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Across the world. So that is a huge, huge problem
because our entire.

Speaker 5 (58:11):
Society is built on having enough bodies working to support
the bodies. You can't and if we run out of babies,
and we run out of young people like they have
in Europe, then our only option is mass migration. And
you fundamentally change a place when you allow the kind
of mass migration that we've seen, especially in Europe, which
is much smaller than we are. But nonetheless, at the

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same time, those that's happening. It's very concerning. We are
seeing the beginning of humanoid robots and so they're not
going to pay taxes, but they're going to be able
to do jobs that human beings are not available to do.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
So we may be able to avoid the sort of.

Speaker 5 (58:55):
Slow destruction that happens in a culture where not enough
people are having babies.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
And by the way, it makes a long time to
do that.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
Again, it takes a long time to build a population
back up once the population drops. So these are all
very very big, kind of cool things that are happening
right now.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
You know, I just I don't know. It's a wonderful
time to be alive.

Speaker 5 (59:19):
Imagine getting to a point where we have nuclear energy
that is NonStop, no big deal.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
We can recycle most of the waste.

Speaker 5 (59:27):
The waste that can't be recycled, that has to be stored,
is far less, far less dangerous than it was before.
And I mean we're on the verge of like I'm
not saying we're all going to be the Jetsons, Okay,
but I want a flying car still now I'm probably
gonna be too old to safely drive it. So if
you do see me driving a flying car and there's

(59:48):
no one in the car with me. You're probably gonna
want to get out of the way because I thought.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
They'd be here by now. But whatever, it's fine.

Speaker 5 (59:54):
But what other things do you guys see on the
horizon that you go, Wow, this is an amazing time
to be alive. I was talking to a friend of
mine not too long ago who was diagnosed with multiple
sclerosis about fifteen years ago, and we were talking about now,
when I was a kid, if you got multiple sclerosis,
you pretty much died rather quickly once you were finally diagnosed.

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It was a terrible, awful, quickly fatal disease, you know, quickish,
I guess I should say. But now they've got medicines
that not only keep people alive, but give them a
great quality of life, something that could not be expected.
It's just absolutely amazing. Mandy, check your facts. We've never

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lost a million people on our roads in a year. Okay,
I looked this up this morning. How many people I
in car accidents.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Every year?

Speaker 5 (01:00:51):
Oh, you're maybe that was worldwide?

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Yeah maybe, I guys, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
Thank you text her for the correction, but it is
about forty two thousand people which is far lower but
still terrible. Well, how did I get that number that wrong?
I am so sorry, you, guys. I must have googled
in world came up. I apologize. How many people die

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in car accidents every year in the world. Let me
see if that's even right. I'm sure that's right. One
point three points.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
That's what it is, you guys.

Speaker 7 (01:01:29):
Ah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:30):
I hate it when I do something that dumb. I mean,
don't get me wrong. I make mistakes, but usually I
try to make mistakes that you're like, well, that's not
a completely stupid mistake, whereas.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
This is just like what was she thinking?

Speaker 5 (01:01:41):
Has she been drinking? Was she hanging out with the
band this morning? Because that's just a dumb, dumb, sloppy mistake.
I apologize for that.

Speaker 8 (01:01:51):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
The band Ready to go, Ready to party.

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
If you want to hang out with fun people, you
hang out with the Mandy Connell Show band.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Mandy.

Speaker 8 (01:02:01):
I ask.

Speaker 5 (01:02:02):
This is what I get from my listeners, you, guys,
I ask, Hey, what are you excited about in the
near future? You can text it to the common spiritaled
text line at five six six nine oh. First text
that comes in two words sex robots, what a time
to be alive.

Speaker 8 (01:02:19):
Mm hmmm, mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:02:23):
I asking you people deliver. I don't know what you're delivering,
but you're delivering. By the way, We're gonna deliver some
Broncos tickets. Yeah, we're gonna give some Broncos tickets away.
And we're doing it on our Instagram at KOA, Colorado.
On Instagram. Follow the directions because a rod carefully puts
the directions that we are legally required to have. Yeah,

(01:02:45):
so go to Instagram register somebody's that win some tickets
and you, guys, I'm just gonna say this, we have
a lot of followers on Instagram. Hardly anybody enters these contest.
That's actually changed.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Okay, good. In a while, it was like you had
one and twenty chances of winning.

Speaker 6 (01:03:01):
Well right now already closing in on fifty entries, and
I just posted this a little bit ago.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
That's let me spice it up. Yeah, because we're doing
something a little different.

Speaker 6 (01:03:11):
You now get to choose which home game stop you
go to a parent tickets just saying.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
Just go to ig at KWA Colorado dot com. I'm
telling you the odds are still very good. And while
you're there, we'll see that.

Speaker 6 (01:03:23):
We are promoting the fact at six pm this Wednesday
on our sister station k HOW Schedule release special.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
Nice Ronco schedule coming up. All of that will be
back Mandy. Why is the hashtag sweepstakes entry necessary?

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:03:38):
We have rules that we must follow that are given
to us by the government. We are regulated industry, and
there are certain areas where they regulate very very hard.
One of them has to do with our contesting because
bad actors in the past have have done shady things,
not here, but just in general, as bad actors will do,

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they've ruined it for everyone. So we have to abide
by very specific rules. And you have to say, I know,
I'm entering a sweepstakes. That's kind of what that is.
So anything stupid and cumbersome that you see is coming
from the government when you're just trying to win a prize.
But I mean, all right, is anyone surprised? Come on,

(01:04:19):
you think we do that? We'd be fine if you
were just like, yeah, I want to win, but we
can't do that. It ain't that bad. That'll be all right.
And also hashtag worth it?

Speaker 7 (01:04:28):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Home game tickets are your choice. Come on, go to
our Instagram page. If you want to win home game
tickets at Ko Colorado. Yeah there, Yeah, so much fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
I like it.

Speaker 6 (01:04:39):
If you missed Jack Corgan of course, Voice of the
Rockies here on with Manny talking about Bud Black videos
already up there at Kaylee, Colorado. If you want to
see what Mandy looks like today, Yeah, today.

Speaker 5 (01:04:49):
I gotta tell you I am I am looking I'm
feeling rough today, just feeling rough today. It's Monday. It
feels like a Monday, doesn't it doesn't it feel like
a Monday. It was a long arduous weekend of yard work.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Yeah, it really was. It feels good. But man, yep one, Mandy.

Speaker 5 (01:05:07):
List your sponsors on your website for us to look
them up. I just do that years ago, But then
you forget. When someone decides not to advertise anymore for
a variety of reasons, you forget to take them down.
YadA YadA, YadA, et cetera, et cetera. I will see
if I can make that happen. I just have to
put a reminder in my phone to look at it
once a month and make sure that is up to date.

(01:05:28):
If you ever need a sponsor name you can always
email me Mandy Connell at iHeartMedia dot com. I have
all of their website addresses and phone numbers memorized, so
wherever I am I can respond to that email.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
I often do.

Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
So don't you worry about that? People, don't you worry
your pretty heads about that. We got you covered, Mandy.
I was pretty sure I saw you go buying a
flying car. Of course, we had just finished a batch
of those special Colorado brownies. This is funny, Mandy. A
million people a year die in car accidents, farm more
than COVID. Every audience member, who's gonna tell her, Yeah,

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that was just a massive, idiotic, stupid robot hookers with
a credit card slot. The future can't come soon enough. Okay,
we're getting a little focused on the robot hooker thing, okay,
which I find there's like a little bit of an
X factor.

Speaker 8 (01:06:24):
There for me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
But you know, you do you it's fine. Absolutely a
robot to do the fracking dishes.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
I have one of those. It's called a dishwasher. Just
say it. I'm just kidding.

Speaker 5 (01:06:36):
I also require my daughter, who is the dishwasher, to
wash things by hand, even though she doesn't want to.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Ireland.

Speaker 5 (01:06:47):
We're talking about population depopulation. Ireland is not rebuilt since
the Potato famine eighteen forty one.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
They had eight point one eight million.

Speaker 5 (01:06:59):
In two they got seven point one million, with a
low of four point two million in nineteen thirty one.
That is a fascinating bit of data. I appreciate that. Yeah,
people sort of get blase, but I was thinking about this.
I have so many of my friends who have children

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that are married that are not having kids. Some of
my really good friends who are younger than I am,
they're like, oh, we're not having kids. I mean, I
kind of get it because I didn't think I wanted
kids until I married Chuck, and then I got the
boys and I was like, well this is kind of fun,
kind of dig me and a mom so and then
we got the queue. But I don't know if I

(01:07:40):
would have had kids otherwise. Just didn't seem like something
I wanted to do, because honestly, I don't like other
people's kids. But then I realized when they're doers, they're
they're way cooler than when they're other people's. So that
was something I kind of feel sorry for some of
these young people that are making these decisions based on, well, financially,
it's not the right time, or they're so expensive, or

(01:08:02):
one of those kind of reasons. I understand people who
are just viscerally like, I don't want to have children.
That's not what I'm talking about. The reasoning that some
of these younger people are giving is going to be
very unsatisfying in the long run, you know, kind of like, Wow,
did I make a bad choice based on a dumb,
dumb thing to worry about. For the record, there's no

(01:08:22):
such thing as the right time to have kids. There's
no such thing as I have enough money to have kids.
None of us had any of it. But yet here
we are. We reproduced successfully and so far new instide.

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Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
Welcome to the third hour of the show. Coming up
at two thirty.

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
We have part of the leadership team from the prior
of Colorado Republican Party leadership. They are coming on the
show because Britta Horn came on last week or the
week before to talk about some money that was missing
that has not been accounted for, and some things she
said on the show and other places, and they just
wanted to come.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
In and give their side of the story.

Speaker 5 (01:09:25):
And in my effort to sort of help the Republican
Party move forward in Colorado, let's air the dirty laundry
in public. Both sides get it worked out so we
can all move forward. So that's what I'm doing here
today now. In the meantime, though, I've got a couple
of stories on the blog today. First of all, this
is very interesting to me. So there has been one

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Israeli American hostage being held by Hamas since.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
October seventh of two years ago.

Speaker 5 (01:09:54):
His name is Eden Alexander, and on Monday today they
released him from captivity. Had been held for more than
nineteen months, offering it as a quote goodwill gesture toward
the Trump administration that could lay the groundwork for a
new ceasefire with Israel. Now on I don't care why

(01:10:19):
Hamas released Eden Alexander. It doesn't make any difference to
me because he's now free and he is going back
to his family. Now, there's still so many hostages being
held that it is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
This is still going on. But I will say this.

Speaker 5 (01:10:35):
I think when Trump said that if he were fighting
Hamas and they had done the things that they did,
they had recently violated a ceasefire or something, I don't
remember the exact circumstance, but.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
He said I would level it. It showed a level of.

Speaker 5 (01:10:55):
Hmm, dedication is the wrong word, not willing to put
up with the crap of Hamas that I don't feel
like any president had done prior, certainly not in recent memory.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
So what does this mean for Israeli and Amas.

Speaker 5 (01:11:13):
Well, first of all, the US Amas went directly to
the United States. They did not involve Israel at all,
which is kind of interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
Nor did the United States.

Speaker 5 (01:11:28):
We basically call them, We're like, yeah, we got a deal,
We're gonna take this guy. And Israel was like, oh, okay, okay,
that's fine, that's that's perfectly fine. I don't know what
this means going forward for Israel and Hamas, because, by
the way, we haven't been talking about it. Israel has
been bombing the crap out of Yemen, specifically Houthi strongholds.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
They are very very close.

Speaker 5 (01:11:56):
To going toe to toe directly with Iran, because let's
be Iran is driving all the terror in that area.
They fund Hamas, they fund Hesbala, they fund the Hothies
because none of those organizations have any means, right, they
don't produce a product. They're not having baked sales in
order to buy their weapons of terror.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
No, they're not doing that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:18):
So it remains to be seen what happens next. But
I thought that was an interesting development. I just wanted
to bring to your attention. So I also saw this
story in the Wall Street Journal today, and I'm wondering
if anybody has seen any of this. Remember back in
the day when workers were hard to come by, the
economy was booming, and companies were like, oh my gosh,

(01:12:39):
you need a mental health take, go ahead and take it.
You want to work from home? Two and a half
three years after the pandemic, no problem. Those days are
increasingly over and they're becoming more heartless. This article from
the Wall Street Journal quotes the co founder of the
shapewear company Skims, which is a brand with Kim Kardashian,

(01:13:03):
and chief executive of clothing label Good American, who is
partnered with Chloe Kardashian. She said at a meeting this month,
work life balance is your problem, yep. Starbucks CEO Brian
Nichols said it to remaining corporate staff needed to step
it up and own whether or not this place grows

(01:13:26):
that after cutting a thousand jobs, JP Morgan's CEO Jamie Dumone,
in a profanity laced internal meeting, told employees lamenting a
return to work mandate that he didn't care. The quote is,
I've had it with this kind of stuff. I've been
working seven days a week since COVID, and I come

(01:13:46):
in and where is everybody else?

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Heikes. This is going to be especially difficult for Jin
Alpha because they're not used to this. They're not used
to bous as saying you are replaceable.

Speaker 5 (01:14:02):
I've talked about some of my radio mentors throughout the years,
and one of my favorites was the guy who I
interned with at a news talk station in Miami. I
think his name was Sterling Gray, but I can't remember exactly,
and that certainly wasn't his real name, but he said
to me, he looked at me, He's kind of a
grizzled old news veteran, and I was trying to learn
everything I could learn. From him, and he looked at

(01:14:24):
me and said, just so you know, one thing you
need to understand about this business is everyone is replaceable,
and they will let you know that at every turn,
because it's true, because no matter what you're doing to radio,
there's somebody outside the door who will do it for
less money. Well that used to be the case, and
now everybody's like, I got a podcast. I don't need

(01:14:45):
to do that, but this is kind of fascinating. Companies
right now are shrinking their white collar staff and a
lot of perks are disappearing. According to an news report
from a contentious all hands at Uber last month, the

(01:15:06):
company made decisions about how to get a month long
paid sabbatical. First of all, can we talk about what
a racket sabbaticals are in the university system. A sabbatical,
if you don't know, is when a professor takes off
a semester or even a year at sometimes close to
full pay, and what are.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
They doing during that time?

Speaker 5 (01:15:27):
They're doing something that is allegedly going to help them
be better at their jobs. Sometimes it could be like, oh,
I went on sabbatical to write a novel, or oh
I went on sabbatical to travel to a third world
country and take photographs.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
But they're getting paid. I mean, nice work, if you
even get it right.

Speaker 5 (01:15:46):
So at Uber, you used to be if you worked
five years at Uber, then you were able to get
a month long paid sabbatical.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Now they just move that up to eight years, and
everyone is freaking out.

Speaker 5 (01:16:01):
They also said, look, you guys got to work in
the office three days instead of two. People were complaining
and the CEO said, we recognize some of these changes
are going to be inpopular This is a risk we
decided to take. There is a new sheriff in town,
and it certainly isn't anything like the old sheriff in

(01:16:22):
town anyway. Regarding Trump's attitude towards Hamas dare one say, hutzba,
I just think that Trump thinks war is stupid and
a waste of resources and unnecessarily violent.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
I really think he believes that. And is he wrong
on this? Not at all? Not at all.

Speaker 7 (01:16:45):
All.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Right, We're gonna take a very quick time out when
we get back. I got I got so much stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
But you know what, I'm just gonna start this by
saying this, I don't care about the planet if it
means I lose my hot springs.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
I'll explain after this.

Speaker 5 (01:17:01):
So I want to touch on this very quickly from
the text line, Mandy just heard the Dow was back
to where it was in February.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
Not quite.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
So.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
Trump causes the market.

Speaker 5 (01:17:09):
To tank with his erratic tariffs, then takes credit for
fixing it when he backs down and gives into China's demands,
causes the problem, then solves it. If it wasn't broke,
didn't need fixing, Well, you're assuming that he thought the
stock market was a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
The reality is, and I've said.

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
This prior, I have believed that he believes China and
their ongoing relentless violations of the World Trade Organizations regulations
or rules that they agreed to in two thousand and
two to be part of the WTO was the problem
and tariffs were the tool to fix it. Now, over
the weekend, of course, Scott bess In, our Treasury secretary,

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and his Chinese counterpart sat down for very long talks
over two days which ended up with them dropping the
tariffs and for the most part, not completely, and both
sides said significant progress was made. Okay, fine, So if
you think the actual problem is that China cheats on
trade in such a way and does it blatantly, doesn't

(01:18:09):
even try to hide it, and no one has been
addressing it. Then then this looks like perhaps we're moving
towards a resolution for that problem. The problem wasn't the market,
And I believe because I believe that, I think tariffs
have always been a means to an end and not
the end itself. I think to say Trump backs down

(01:18:32):
and gives into China's demands, First of all, currently our
tariffs on China are higher than their tariffs on ours,
So I don't know how that could have been a
Chinese demand. And we have no idea if a trade
deal is going to be reached or not. But now
the Treasury Secretary can go back to China and say, look,
look how the world responds when we work together. Do

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we really want to completely decouple or do we want
to make sure that trade is happening in a fair
fashion in both directions? So it's a much stronger negotiating
position to come from. And if it is, as I
believe that tariffs are not the ends that we're looking for,
but nearly a means to get us to the ends
that we want, which is fairer trade with China, then

(01:19:19):
you know, we'll see in ninety days, won't we what happens.
I do believe that China has as much to lose
at this moment than we do because they now have
workers who are protesting, creating agitation within the country. They
do not do well with dissent in China. Okay, they
are single party Chinese Communist Party. They don't like people

(01:19:40):
to be upset and in the streets, so they have
stuff to learn as well. So it you know, from
your perspective, I could see where you would think that, Texter,
But if you look at it from my perspective slightly different,
then maybe it would give you a different feel about
what's happening, because the the quote problem that you're talking

(01:20:01):
about was not the problem being addressed by Trump. Now,
there's a great editorial in the Denver Gazette today about
Colorado's headlong rush to achieve zero emissions by twenty forty.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
Listen to this.

Speaker 5 (01:20:15):
Though, Colorado's headlong rush to achieve zero emissions by twenty forty,
driven by Governor Jared Polis and environmental extremists in the
state legislature, suddenly imperils one of our state's most cherished treasures,
our world famous hot springs resorts. Proposals to siphon geothermal

(01:20:38):
resources from these natural wonders for renewable energy production threatened
to dry up the very lifeblood of communities like Glenwood Springs,
Pagosa Springs, and roughly thirty other recreational hot springs in
our state. This reckless agenda, born of dogmatic rejection of coal,
humanity's most abundant and affordable energy resource, sacrifices Colorado's cultural

(01:21:00):
and economic heritage for an unattainable green mirage. Now, if
you missed the interview with Amy Oliver Cook from the
Independence Institute earlier, you may not realize how ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
Don't. Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:21:15):
I'm not against geothermal energy production.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
I think it's really.

Speaker 5 (01:21:19):
Spectacular, but at what cost in Colorado? And I'm just
gonna be I'm gonna say it right here. I'm gonna
say it right here on the radio if. And I
say big if, because I am not convinced that anthropogenic
global warming is a thing. I think the Earth and
the climate change all the time, and we have such
a tiny snapshot that we're certain of in terms of

(01:21:42):
what we know about climate science that there's no way
I'm buying into. Oh yeah, it's solely our fault because
it also doesn't match the data. That being said, if
we are the cause of global warming, if we are
negative affecting the earth, and the only way to stop

(01:22:03):
that is to plunder all of the hot springs in
Colorado to use their super hot water to create energy,
I say, let the earth fry. I'm not willing to
give up my hot springs experience in Colorado. It's one
of my absolute favorite favorite things to do.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
I'm like, have you ever seen those old grizzly bears
in the hot springs?

Speaker 5 (01:22:26):
Like they you know, not here obviously, but grizzly bears
they kind of loll around in the hot springs in
the wilderness.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
That's kind of how I feel. That's what I want
to do with my life. What do you want to do.
I'm gonna loll.

Speaker 5 (01:22:37):
Around hot springs all the time, just lolling around a
big old grizzney. So you know what, if the rest
of the earth has to fry, so be it. Friends,
priorities very important. When we get back Host Shepplelman and
Tom Yorklund from the former leadership of the Colorado GOP
are coming on to talk about how they say they

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left the current leadership in the face of accusations that
there is money missing and all of that good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
We'll talk about that next right here on KOA the.

Speaker 5 (01:23:09):
Transition from the Wolf's hang on the former Colorado leadership
to the new Colorado Leadership. Chairman Brenda Horn's been on
the station talking about irregularities they found in the bookkeeping,
especially a lump sum of one hundred and forty thousand
dollars would seem to be missing, and she laid out
some documentation and said that the money was missing from

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the prior administration and now joining me and I just
told Tom Yorklynn and Hope Shepplman, I've been trying to
figure out how to just let them get their message
out and let them sort of give their side of
the story without having to rehash every single thing that
has come before them. So Tom, the former GOP Treasurer,
Tom B. Yorklynn, I would love to have you sort

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of explain in your words where we are, what happened,
and what is inaccurate about the things that have been
said so far.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
So go ahead and take the take the floor.

Speaker 11 (01:24:09):
Great, thanks for the opportunity. Many appreciate that the one
hundred and forty thousand that Britta had put out, she
made it sound like it was missing in our administration,
and it couldn't be further from the truth. The reality
is is I was the one that briefed her about
the funds being off and it had been carried forward

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for probably more than ten years, and we were trying
to clean that up. And another thing she talked about
was mysterious payments and that had been carried over from
a contract that the previous administration and probably even before that,
had made with the bank. And there were bank fees

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being charged on multiple accounts that they had Treasury services.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
Is what they called it.

Speaker 11 (01:24:59):
But the reality is, Mandy Britta would not even have
known about those things if I hadn't sat down and
told her about them in our meeting. And I, you know,
these were like the last two things that I felt
like needed to be cleared up, and I informed her
in good faith, only to then have her turn around
and make it sound like we were responsible for it.

(01:25:22):
And that was pretty frustrating to hear that that perspective Frankly,
I consider it defamatory since we were the ones that
came in and told her that you know, I was,
I was there, I had witnesses with me, and I said,
you know, this is stuff that I've been working on.
It was a pretty friendly meeting, so I was kind

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of shocked that she would take, you know, reality and
flip it on its head and try to make it
sound like somehow Dave. You know, Williams administration was responsible
for the for the problems, and so yeah, I just
wanted to make sure that you guys had the fact
I'm not a politician. I do treasury services for a

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lot of different organizations, campaigns and committees. I have no
interest in running for politics. So you know, I guess
it's no surprise that a politician would stretch the truth
to such a degree that we have to come in
and correct the record.

Speaker 5 (01:26:20):
Why has it been so challenging to reconcile a one
hundred and forty thousand dollars discrepancy that you just said
has been on the books for like ten years or more.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
Why has that been so difficult to resolve?

Speaker 11 (01:26:34):
Yeah, the main reason is, Mandy, we weren't giving books
when I took over as treasurer in twenty twenty three.
So when I took over, you know, we were given
a door code and that was about it. And they
they dragged their feet on turning over bank records, et cetera.
And so we had a piece together from what little

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files there was in you know, on paper bank statements
and such. And frankly, it didn't happen in the previous administration,
but it looked like if I start correcting errors in
the previous administration, that it is actually a ninety five
thousand dollars difference. But when I start to correct it,

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it was growing, not getting better, and so that issue
was going to be more exaspirated, and I wanted to
make sure that well, one thing is you have to correct.
So let's say you find it and it's ten years old.
You have to correct every single month of reports from

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that point forward because the balances will change, so you
have to correct every single month, and then any errors
along the way, you might as well just find them
all and then correct them in one fell swoop, so
you only have an amendment, you know, for moremultiple months
one time, rather than having you know, ten fifteen, twenty

(01:28:04):
amendments because there was a lot of errors that I
was finding.

Speaker 5 (01:28:08):
Why not bring in an accounting firm to do a
true forensic audit on this and have you know, it
sounds like because you play this role in multiple organizations,
that sounds like perhaps more work. I mean, it's one
thing to say I'm going to be a treasurer when
you get the balance books and then move forward, that's
one thing. But to say you need to go back

(01:28:30):
and do a deep dive. Was that beyond your scope
as the treasurer? Or I mean should outside help have
been called in?

Speaker 7 (01:28:38):
Well?

Speaker 11 (01:28:39):
Yeah, with that kind of a discrepancy, it's always a
good idea to have a third party audit. We actually
hired an auditor, but Breda Horne fired the auditor and
she decided to go with what I call a political
audit instead. And that's how somebody just look at Dave
Williams administration see if they can find any errors and

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then and you know, so they're looking to do the
blame game rather than actually fix the problem. And she
mentioned that on your show, Mandy, that she really wanted
to go back only two years. Well, a forensic audit
isn't going to go back two years. They're going to
go back to where they find the problem, and I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
All in favor of that.

Speaker 11 (01:29:16):
And when we took over, we talked about doing an audit,
but the reality is we only had eighty five hundred
dollars in the operations account when I took over the books.

Speaker 4 (01:29:27):
And we had.

Speaker 11 (01:29:30):
About ten thousand dollars of unpaid rent that we had
to renegotiate with the landlord. And then we had another
sixty thousand unpaid legal bills, and you know, they opted
instead to pay bonuses to the previous administration and their people,
so we didn't have any money to work with. Audits
cost money, and that's something that we didn't have.

Speaker 5 (01:29:52):
See Air's my issue, And maybe I hope you were
vice chair of the Republican Party when all this stuff
was happening. In my mind, a discrepancy of that size,
even if you can kind of guess that it's a
bookkeeping error, whatever, that should take precedent over some of
the rather large legal expenses that have been paid over
the last two years. And I know that the argument
is we were doing things on behalf of the party

(01:30:15):
that we believed to be the best for the party.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
In terms of the legal fees.

Speaker 5 (01:30:19):
But the reality is as a as a donor, if
I were donating money, I would want before anything else
to make sure that the books were beyond reproach.

Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
So this is a matter of priorities for me.

Speaker 5 (01:30:32):
Why was that not a bigger priority for you guys
in terms of getting someone in and doing that deep
dive to go way back, Because I don't know how
long the auditor was in place. Tom, that was just
fired by Britas, So I'm not sure how long that
process had been going on.

Speaker 12 (01:30:49):
Yeah, and so thank you Mandy for having both Tom
and I on your show to actually set the record straight.
So when you look at things, as Tom mentioned, forensic audit,
at the minimum, a true forensic audit is going to
take costs somewhere around one hundred thousand dollars to start

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to start.

Speaker 7 (01:31:12):
And as we were building.

Speaker 12 (01:31:14):
Our coffers, lo and behold right in June, right when
the most critical election ever was about to take place,
so that way we can elect President Donald Trump again
to put forward his American First agenda. We were ended
up coming into this crazy coup that we did have

(01:31:34):
to defend the party.

Speaker 7 (01:31:37):
And let's just put the and I'm going to set
the record straight on that that was around one hundred
thousand dollars.

Speaker 12 (01:31:45):
What that stated we were not only sued as a party,
we were sued individually as individuals. So Eli Bremmer, Britta Horn,
and Kevin McCartney got to run around for forty five
days saying that they were chaired, vice chair and secretary

(01:32:07):
and so being sued personally. Let me tell you I
have never been sued personally, and the top that we
ended up actually having.

Speaker 7 (01:32:17):
Death threats to the party. So it's not like we
weren't focused on this. Granted, I was not the vice.

Speaker 12 (01:32:25):
Chair when Dave Williams administration came in from the very
get go. I actually was elected August fifth of twenty
twenty three. And to go back and review all this stuff, granted, yes,
Tom Bjorkln is not a forensic auditor. But let me
tell you what Tom Bijorklyn, Anna Ferguson and Dave Williams

(01:32:45):
all put together to show and find out that there
was one hundred thousand dollars if not more, that was
missing from the party for ten years or more. Yes,
I agree we do need to find out that much.
But when there's a coup. That and it was a
coup when a coup is actually starting to form, and

(01:33:07):
we have seen this across the nation. It is happening
in multiple states, and we had to defend the party.
Wait wait, when the party, we wouldn't have a party.

Speaker 5 (01:33:18):
You kind of jumped ahead here though, because I was,
you know, to Tom's point, this money was missing when
the Williams took over. So if the money was missing
when Williams took over, that happened.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
Well before the meeting.

Speaker 5 (01:33:33):
That that was designed to overthrow the leadership. So what
about the interim? That's what I'm at in my mind.
Here's the thing, and this is you can tell me
if you have a different viewpoint. There's nothing more important
than being upfront and completely transparent with donor money, full stop.
That is, when you are a party that is lives

(01:33:53):
and dies by donations, that we've got to make sure
that anybody who writes a check or or sends a venmo,
or however they give money, can rest assured that that
money is being taken care of in a responsible way.

Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
So in my mind, if those books are out of whack.

Speaker 5 (01:34:10):
One hundred thousand dollars, that has to be like number
one job, get to it. And I would point out
that there were multiple times where Dave said, Christy Burton
Brown did this, We're going to do a friends of
audit and she's going to jail.

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:34:24):
There were threats that there was going to be prosecution,
there was going to be jail, and I was like, great,
let's do the investigation. And if that's what happened, then yeah,
put some people in jail. Because you know, there's nothing
more critical in my mind than your fiduciary responsibility to
those donors. So that's why I'm confused that you know,

(01:34:45):
a meeting that happened well after we knew the money
was missing is being used as the reason now that
we couldn't pay someone to come in and find out
where we've lost one hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 9 (01:34:58):
Yep.

Speaker 12 (01:34:58):
And to your point, again, we would not have a
party if we did not defend the party. So it's
like the chicken or the egg, right, But we have
to look at it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
Is agreed we go.

Speaker 12 (01:35:12):
Before that a forensic audit and in his capacity as
the as the treasure, but that was not a professional
forensic godic.

Speaker 7 (01:35:24):
He found the information. He filed an FBC report and
all that stuff.

Speaker 12 (01:35:31):
But then when in January I'm sorry, in June of
twenty twenty four, when all of this started to happen,
Sure we could have used that.

Speaker 7 (01:35:39):
One hundred thousand dollars to do a forensic GodIt and
have no party. So what would you want? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:35:45):
Okay, So the way I see this is there's two
things being sort of conflated here. One in my mind
is the fiscal responsibility of the party. That that is
to me paramount. Nothing else matters, because if you're messing
with people's money, then nothing else after that matters. You
have no party if you can't manage the money. That's
just the reality. So I'm confused, is why. You know,

(01:36:06):
there was a lot of talk about forensic audits, but
they were never done. There should be nothing else other
than making sure you're taking care of people's money first.
That's just I mean, I'm cheap. I'll be the first
to admit it, right, I am thrifty with my money.
And when I donate to a cause, I do one
of those deep dives to find out and make sure
they're spending my money. Well, that's all I'm asking that.

(01:36:26):
There just seems to be a long time frame that
that did not happen.

Speaker 7 (01:36:29):
Yep, yep, Mandy.

Speaker 12 (01:36:31):
And you look, look, I'm a critical care nurse practitioner, right,
so I also look at it in a critical lens.

Speaker 7 (01:36:40):
Look, we had money in our coffers. When something goes wrong,
like in the ICU, if.

Speaker 12 (01:36:47):
There is a code, I don't just say, oh wait,
let's stop, we need to do our forensic audit first,
instead of protecting the patient and making sure that that
patient's life is saved. Ultimately, that's what we did with
the party, is we saved the life of the party
because this coup was not elected as as true electors

(01:37:08):
of the party.

Speaker 7 (01:37:10):
And let me ask you, where's the hundred thousand dollars plus.

Speaker 12 (01:37:14):
That they used to defend with their lawyers that could
have come to know the GOP.

Speaker 7 (01:37:22):
So you're right, it was a critical situation. We had
to pivot, We had to defend the party.

Speaker 12 (01:37:30):
We definitely were in favor and I'm still in favor
of a forensic GodIt.

Speaker 7 (01:37:35):
What Bretta Horne is putting forward as a political audit
is not appropriate. She needs to find if she really
wants to find. And Mandy, if you want to be
transparent with your audience, I would actually ask her for
a true forensic audit.

Speaker 5 (01:37:52):
Not a perty said she's going to pursue that, and
I will hold her feet to the fire because I
think that that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:57):
And Tom, let me ask you to to your point.

Speaker 5 (01:38:01):
So it when did you discover like months after you
were made treasure or so months after or is it
weeks after that the new the Dave Williams administration was
was sort of put into office. Are we talking about
a span of weeks before you got the data? Months
before you got the data? What are we looking at there?

Speaker 11 (01:38:21):
Well, the very first time I noticed was when I
got access to the first bank account, and that was
eighty five hundred dollars and they were reporting that they
had over one hundred thousand, hundred and one hundred and
fifteen thousand, and so I I notified the CPA, the
guy who filed their reports, and I said, hey, am
I off, I'm off by one hundred thousand dollars here

(01:38:42):
and he said, well, it's actually more like ninety five thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
Give me a call.

Speaker 11 (01:38:47):
So I called him and he said, you know you're
not You don't have all the bank accounts. So that's
when I learned that they were actually hiding bank accounts
from us. So once I got the other accounts put in,
they still weren't very much and it you know, so
it reduced it down in ninety five thousand that we
were missing.

Speaker 5 (01:39:05):
And what amouking is like at that moment, That's when
I would have said, We've got to get a true
audit and figure this stuff out. So that's why that
part right there, that stopping point is where I'm like, Okay,
how where.

Speaker 3 (01:39:18):
Do we go wrong?

Speaker 11 (01:39:19):
So I did that, but again the prices start. I
went and actually went out and got quotes. The prices
start at one hundred thousand. Start a forensic audit when
you have eighty five hundred dollars in your operations account
and no books. By the way, Mandy, it's really difficult
to go to a CPA and say, hey, can you
audit us? By the way, we have no books, right,

(01:39:41):
what are they going to audit?

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
Exactly?

Speaker 5 (01:39:43):
We're almost totally out of time and I'm trying to
get as much in here. So hope, did you guys
ever fundraised because I would have donated for an audit.
I was a Republican at the time. I would have donated.
Did you fundraise to do an audit. If so, where
did that money go?

Speaker 4 (01:39:58):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (01:39:58):
Absolutely, we've fundraises. But let's just put it to you
this way. KBB told all of her donors not to
donate to the party. So you know, we're stuck between
a rock and a hard place, and that's what the
establishment does. And they definitely put us in this position
for a specific reason to choose a lawsuit versus a

(01:40:21):
forensic audit.

Speaker 7 (01:40:22):
And I can guarantee you we are when a forensic,
a true forensic audit is actually done, there is going
to be shock in awe everywhere. And they didn't. The
establishment does not want us to find that out.

Speaker 12 (01:40:35):
So that is why the coup happened, that is why
everything happened as it did in the twenty twenty four election,
And truly they did not want President Trump elected.

Speaker 3 (01:40:47):
So well, I'm going to let that be the last word.

Speaker 5 (01:40:51):
Hope Shepplman and Tom buork Lynn from the prior leadership
team of the Colorado GP.

Speaker 3 (01:40:56):
I appreciate you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:40:57):
Coming on today. I mean, I still am going to
be on it. I'm still dissatisfied. I am I'm dissatisfied
that more was not done. About a the need and
the you know, more transparency and all of that stuff.
I don't know exactly everything you did, but the timing
of tying that to the lawsuit is not It doesn't

(01:41:18):
set well with me. So I just want to let
you know how I'm feeling here. But I do have
to let both of you go, and I appreciate your
time today.

Speaker 3 (01:41:24):
Both of you.

Speaker 7 (01:41:26):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
All right, thanks guys. Okay, Ryan Edwards has made it
in the studio. I hoed you guys on the radio
talking about Bud Blackning.

Speaker 7 (01:41:34):
Thank you.

Speaker 10 (01:41:35):
Yeah, it was not exactly how I thought i'd cap
off Mother's Day, but here you go. He's working mysterious
ways and we we Hey, this is the business. I know.

Speaker 3 (01:41:45):
It's time for the most exciting segment on the radio
of its guy is the world of the day. All right,
now we are going to do the dad joke of
the day, please, Anthony.

Speaker 6 (01:41:58):
If my name was David and I had a boy,
I'd have to name him Harley. That way he could
introduce himself. Hi, I'm Harley David's son.

Speaker 3 (01:42:09):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:10):
What.

Speaker 3 (01:42:10):
I like that one a lot. All right, Today's word
of the day, please, sir. It is an adjective paragrine
p E R E, G R I N E paragram. Okay,
that's a falcon, but I don't know what it means.
Otherwise adjctive pa, I'm gonna say black. It means black. No, no, no,
I don't know what.

Speaker 6 (01:42:32):
Paragrine adjective wandering, traveling, or migrating.

Speaker 4 (01:42:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
What is the primary chemical? R? Trivia question today?

Speaker 5 (01:42:42):
What is the primary chemical compound found in limestone? And
I believe I know this because I am from the
land of Limestone, Florida, where everything is built on limestone.
You want to take a shot anyone. I believe it's
calcium carbonate, and I am correct. Limestone is the sedimentary
rock usually forms in water through the build up of shells,
coral and other types of organic debris. There's a thing

(01:43:04):
you know now, all right? What is our jeopardy category?

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
Money? Idioms?

Speaker 6 (01:43:09):
Okay, yes, Dropping one of these on another person means
you're informed it's a dime. This rhyming term refers to
the output of a.

Speaker 3 (01:43:19):
Counterfeitter, Mandy, what's funny money? That is correct? Nice? I
like this category. Something that has no value is said
to be not worth a plug in. What is a penny? Oh,
what is a nickel? That nickel.

Speaker 6 (01:43:35):
Makes sense? These two words begin the idiom that ends
pound foolish?

Speaker 3 (01:43:41):
Mandy, what is penny wise?

Speaker 6 (01:43:42):
That is correcting for this weep? Cash that you are
eager to spend is figuratively said to do this to
your clothes?

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
I love this one. Come on, come on, it's easy
to this. Oh, Mandy, what's bird? A hold in your pocket?
That category good category? Ever, So, now that you won
five nothing, Ryan, you're fired. I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (01:44:02):
Oh wait, we didn't win, so we can't fire Ryan
now works usually usually.

Speaker 5 (01:44:09):
Anyway, I've broken my bad streak that I had going
there for a week or so, so you once you're fired.

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
Anyway, I'm poking fun.

Speaker 6 (01:44:19):
With a Rockey's just a little come out, a little
fun fun for black.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
Which I'm sure is going to be a topic for today.
And then the Nuggets call the Nuggets. It's up, it's down,
it's up, it's down.

Speaker 5 (01:44:31):
If they come out of this series, it's it's gonna
be remarkable, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:44:36):
Anyway, what else is coming up on the Big Show?

Speaker 10 (01:44:38):
Oh, plus, we had rookie mini camp over the weekend
for the Broncos, so we have some stuff on that
and yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:43):
I mean it's it's an action pack day, so we're
excited about it.

Speaker 5 (01:44:45):
We got the Broncos and Rookie numbers out, so that's
always exciting, right.

Speaker 3 (01:44:49):
That's all. KA Wait Sports, I'll be back tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:44:53):
We have full shows every day this week. I don't
know if I can work for five full days. It
seems hard.

Speaker 3 (01:44:58):
I mean, other people do it.

Speaker 7 (01:45:00):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:45:01):
I'm very tough. I'm a big, strong girl. I'll be fine.
Can't wait. Sports coming up next