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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The transition from the Wolfs hang on the former Colorado
leadership to the new Colorado Leadership. Chairman Brenda Horn's been
on the station talking about irregularities they found in the bookkeeping,
especially a lump sum of one hundred and forty thousand
dollars would seem to be missing, and she laid out
some documentation and said that the money was missing from
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the prior administration and now joining me and I just
told Tom Yorklynn and Hope Shefflman, I've been trying to
figure out how to how to just let them get
their message out and let them sort of give their
side of the story without having to rehash every single
thing that has come before them. So Tom, the former
GOP treasurer, Tom Yorklynn, I would love to have you
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sort of explain in your words where we are, what happened,
and what is inaccurate about the things that have been
said so far.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
So go ahead and take the take the floor.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Great, thanks for the opportunity. Many appreciate that the one
hundred and forty thousand that Britta had put out, she
made it sound like it was missing in our administration,
and it couldn't be further from the truth. The reality
is is I was the one that briefed her about
the funds being off and it had been carried forward
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for probably more than ten years, and we were trying
to clean that up. And then another thing she talked
about was mysterious payments, and that had been carried over
from a contract that the previous administration and probably even
before that, had made with the bank. And there were
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bank fees being charged on multiple accounts that they had
Treasury services is what they called it. But the reality is,
Mandy Britta would not even have known about those things
if I hadn't sat down and told her about them
in our meeting, and I, you know, these were like
the last two things that I felt like needed to
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be cleared up, and I informed her in good faith,
only to then have her turn around and make it
sound like we were responsible for it. And that was
pretty frustrating to hear that that perspective. Frankly, I consider
it defamatory since we were the ones that came in
and told her that, you know, I was, I was there,
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I had witnesses with me, and I said, you know,
this is stuff that I've been working on. It was
a pretty friendly meeting. So I was kind of shocked
that she would take, you know, reality and flip it
on its head and try to make it sound like
somehow Dave. You know, Williams administration was responsible for the
for the problems, and so yeah, I just wanted to
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make sure that you guys had the facts. I'm not
a politician, uh, I do treasury services for a lot
of different organizations, campaigns and committees. I have no just
in running for politics, So you know, I guess it's
no surprise that a politician would stretch the truth to
such a degree that we have to come in and
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correct the record.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Why has it been so challenging to reconcile a one
hundred and forty thousand dollars discrepancy that you just said
has been on the books for like ten years or more.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Why has that been so difficult to resolve?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, the main reason is, Mandy, we weren't giving books
when I took over as treasurer in twenty twenty three.
So when I took over, you know, we were given
a door code and that was about it. And they
they dragged their feet on turning over bank records, et cetera.
And so we had to piece together from what little
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files there was in you know, on paper bank statements
and such, and frankly, it didn't happen in the previous administration,
but it looked like if I start correcting errors in
the previous administration, that it is actually a ninety five
thousand dollars difference. But when I start to correct it,
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it was growing not getting better, and so that issue
was going to be more exaspirated, and I wanted to
make sure that, Well, one thing is you have to correct.
So let's say you find it and it's ten years old,
you have to correct every single month of reports from
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that point forward because the balances will change, So you
have to correct every single month. And then any errors
along the way, you might as well just find them
all and then correct them in one fell swoop, so
you only have an amendment, you know, for multiple months
one time, rather than having you know, ten, fifteen, twenty amendments.
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Because there was a lot of errors that I was finding.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Why not do I not bring in an accounting firm
to do a true forensic audit on this and have
you know, it sounds like, because you play this role
in multiple organizations, that sounds like perhaps more work. I mean,
it's one thing to say I'm going to be a
treasurer when you get the balance books and then move forward,
that's one thing. But to say you need to go
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back and do a deep dive. Was that beyond your
scope as the treasurer? Or I mean, should outside help
have been called in?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Well?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah, with that kind of a discrepancy, it's always a
good idea to have a third party audit. We actually
hired an auditor, but Breda Horne fired the auditor and
she decided to go with what I call a political
audit instead. And that's how somebody just look at Dave
Williams administration see if they can find any errors and
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then you know, so they're looking to do the blame
game rather than actually fix the problem. And she mentioned
that on your show, Mandy, that she really wanted to
go back only two years. Well, a forensic audit isn't
going to go back two years. They're going to go
back to where they find the problem. And I'm all
in favor of that. And when we took over, we
talked about doing an audit, but the reality is we
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only had eighty five hundred dollars in the operations account
when I took over the books, and we had about
ten thousand dollars of unpaid rent that we had to
renegotiate with the landlord. And then we had another sixty
thousand unpaid legal bills, and you know, they opted instead
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to pay bonuses to the previous administration and their people,
So we didn't have any money to work with. Audits
cost money, and that's something that we didn't have.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
See here's my issue, and maybe I hope you were
vice chair of the Republican Party when all this stuff
was happening. In my mind, a discrepancy of that size,
even if you can kind of guess that it's a
bookkeeping error or whatever, that should take precedent over some
of the rather largelylegal.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Expenses that have been paid over the last two years.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
And I know that the argument is we were doing
things on behalf of the party that we believed to
be the best for the party in terms of the
legal fees. But the reality is as a as a donor,
if I were donating money, I would want before anything
else to make sure that the books were beyond reproach.
So this is a matter of priorities for me. Why
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was that not a bigger priority for you guys in
terms of getting someone in and doing that deep dive
to go way back, because I don't know how long
the auditor was in place. Tom, that was just fired
by Brita, So I'm not sure how long that process
had been going on.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Yeah, and so thank you Mandy for having both Tom
and I on.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Your show to actually set the record straight.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
So when you look at things, as Tom mentioned, a
forensic audit at the minimum, a true forensic audit is
going to take costs somewhere around one hundred thousand dollars
to start to start. And as we were building our
coffers Lo and behold right in June, right when the
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most critical election ever was about to take place, so
that way we can elect President Donald Trump again to
put forward his America First agenda.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
We were ended up coming into.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
This crazy coup that we did have to defend the party.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
And let's just put the and I'm going to set.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
The record straight on that that was around one hundred
thousand dollars. With that stated, we were not only sued
as a party, we were sued individually as individuals. So
Eli Bremer, Bretta Horn, and Kevin McCarney got to run
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around for forty five days saying that they were chaired,
vice chair and secretary and so being sued personally. Let
me tell you I have never been sued personally, and
the top that we ended up actually having death threats
to the party.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
So it's not like we weren't focused on this.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Granted, I was not the vice chair when Dave Williams
administration came in from the very get go. I actually
was elected August fifth of twenty twenty three. And to
go back and review all this stuff, granted, yes, Tom
Bjorkln is not a forensic auditor. But let me tell
you what Tom Bjorklyn, Anna Ferguson and Dave Williams all
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put together to show and find out that there was
one hundred thousand dollars if not more, that was missing
from the party for ten years or more. Yes, I agree,
we do need to find out that money. But when
there's a coup, that and it was a coup, when
a coup is actually starting to form, and we have
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seen this across the name. It is happening in multiple states,
and we had to defend the party. Wait wait, when
the party, we wouldn't have a party.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
You kind of jumped ahead here though, because I was,
you know, to Tom's point, this money was missing when.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
The Williams took over.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
So if the money was missing when Williams took over,
that happened well before the meeting, that that was designed
to overthrow the leadership.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
So what about the interim? That's what I'm at in
my mind.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Here's the thing, and this is you can tell me
if you have a different viewpoint. There's nothing more important
than being upfront and completely transparent with donor money full stop.
That is, when you are a party that is lives
and dies by donations, then we've got to make sure
that anybody who writes a check or sends a venmo,
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or however they give money, can rest assured that money
is being taken care of in a in a responsible way.
So in my mind, if those books are out of
whack one hundred thousand dollars, that has to be like
number one job, get to it. And I would point
out that there were multiple times where Dave said, Christy
Burton Brown did this, We're going to do a Friends
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of audit and she's going to jail.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
There were threats that there was going to be prosecution,
there was going to be jail, and I was like, great,
let's do the investigation. And if that's what happened, then yeah,
put some people in jail, because you know, there's nothing
more critical in my mind than your fiduciary responsibility to
those donors. So that's why I'm confused that that, you know,
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a meeting that happened well after we knew the money
was missing is being used as the reason now that
we couldn't pay someone to come in and find out
where we've lost one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
And to your point, again, we would not have a
party if we did not defend the party. So it's
like the chicken or the egg, right, we look at
it is agreed before that did a forensic audit in
his capacity as the as the treasure, but that was
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not a professional forensic audit. He found the information, he
filed an FBC report and all that stuff. But then
when in January, I'm sorry, in June of twenty twenty four,
when all of this started to happen, sure we could
have used that one hundred thousand dollars to do a
forensic audit and have no party, So what would you want?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Okay, So the way I see this is there's two
things being sort of conflated here. One in my mind
is the fiscal responsibility of the party.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
That is, to me paramount.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Nothing else matters, because if you're messing with people's money,
then nothing else after that matters. You have no party
if you can't manage the money. That's just the reality.
So I'm confused, is why.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
There was a lot of talk about forensic audits, but
they were never There should be nothing else other than
making sure you're taking care of people's money first.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
That's just I mean, I'm cheap.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I'll be the first to admit it, right, I am
thrifty with my money, and when I donate to a cause,
I do one of those deep dives to find out
and make sure they're spending my money.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Well, that's all I'm asking that.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
There just seems to be a long time frame that
that did not happen.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yep, yep, Mandy.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
And you look, look, I'm a critical care nurse practitioner, right,
so I also look at it in a critical lens. Look,
we had money in our coffers. When something goes wrong,
like in the ICU. If there is a code, I
don't just say, oh wait, let's stop. We need to
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do our forensic ad it first, instead of protecting the
patient and making sure that that patient's life is saved. Ultimately,
that's what we did with the party, is we save
the life of the party because this coup was not
elected as as true electors of the party. And let
me ask you, where's the one hundred thousand dollars plus
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that they used to defend with their lawyers that could
have come to you know, the GOP. So you're right,
it was a critical situation. We had to pivot, We
had to defend the party. We definitely were in favor
and I'm still in favor of a forensic goudit. What
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Bretta Horne is putting forward as a political audit is
not appropriate. She needs to find if she really wants
to find. And Mandy, if you want to be transparent
with your audience, I would actually ask her for a
true forensic audit, not a pert.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Said she's going to pursue that, and I will hold
her feet to the fire because I think that that.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
And Tom, let me ask you to.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Your point, so it when did you discover like months
after you were made treasurer, So months after or is
it we after that the new the Dave Williams administration
was was sort of put into office. Are we talking
about a span of weeks before you got the data?
Months before you got the data? What are we looking
at there?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Well, the very first time I noticed was when I
got access to the first bank account, and that was
eighty five hundred dollars and they were reporting that they
had over one hundred thousand, one hundred and one hundred
and fifteen thousand, and so I I notified the CPA,
the guy who filed their reports, and I said, hey,
am I off, I'm off by one hundred thousand dollars
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here and he said, well, it's actually more like ninety
five thousand.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Give me a call.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
So I called him and he said, you know, you're
not You don't have all the bank accounts. And that's
when I learned that they were actually hiding bank accounts
from us. So once I got the other accounts put in,
they still weren't very much and it you know, so
it reduced it down to ninety five thousand that we
were missing.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
And what amouking is like? At that moment.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
That's when I would have said, we've got to get
a true audit and figure this stuff out.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
So that's why that part.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Right there, that stopping point is where I'm like, Okay,
how where did.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
We go wrong?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
So I did that, but again, the prices start. I
went and actually went out and got quotes. The prices
started at one hundred thousand. Start a forensic audit when
you have eighty five hundred dollars in your operations account
and no books. By the way, Mandy, it's really difficult
to go to a CPA and say, hey, can you
audit us? By the way, we have no books? Right,
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what are they going to audit? Exactly?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
We're almost totally out of time and I'm trying to
get as much in here. So hope, did you guys
ever fundraised because I would have donated for an audit.
I was a Republican at the time. I would have donated.
Did you fundraise to do an audit? If so, where
did that money go?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Absolutely, we've fundraises. But let's just put it to you
this way. KBB told all of her donors not to
donate to the party, So you know, we're stuck each
in a rock and a hard place, and that's what
the establishment does. And they definitely put us in this
position for a specific reason to choose a lawsuit versus
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a forensic audit. And I can guarantee you we are
When a forensic, a true forensic audit is actually done,
there is going to be shock in awe everywhere.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
And they didn't.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
The establishment does not want us to find that out.
So that is why the coup happened, that is why
everything happened as it did in the twenty twenty four election,
and truly they did not want President Trump elected.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
So well, I'm going to let that be the last word.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Hope Shepplman and Tom Buorklynn from the prior leadership team
of the Colorado GP.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I appreciate you guys coming on today.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I mean, I still am going to be honest, I'm
still dissatisfied. I am. I'm dissatisfied that more was not
done about a the need and the you know, more
transparency and all of that stuff. I don't know exactly
everything you did, but the timing of tying that to
the lawsuit is not It doesn't set well with me.
(18:10):
So I just want to let you know how I'm
feeling here, but I do have to let both of
you go, and I appreciate your time today both of you.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Thank you all right, Thanks guys,
The transition from the Wolfs hang on the former Colorado
leadership to the new Colorado Leadership. Chairman Brenda Horn's been
on the station talking about irregularities they found in the bookkeeping,
especially a lump sum of one hundred and forty thousand
dollars would seem to be missing, and she laid out
some documentation and said that the money was missing from
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the prior administration and now joining me and I just
told Tom Yorklynn and Hope Shefflman, I've been trying to
figure out how to how to just let them get
their message out and let them sort of give their
side of the story without having to rehash every single
thing that has come before them. So Tom, the former
GOP treasurer, Tom Yorklynn, I would love to have you
(00:48):
sort of explain in your words where we are, what happened,
and what is inaccurate about the things that have been
said so far.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
So go ahead and take the take the floor.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Great, thanks for the opportunity. Many appreciate that the one
hundred and forty thousand that Britta had put out, she
made it sound like it was missing in our administration,
and it couldn't be further from the truth. The reality
is is I was the one that briefed her about
the funds being off and it had been carried forward
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for probably more than ten years, and we were trying
to clean that up. And then another thing she talked
about was mysterious payments, and that had been carried over
from a contract that the previous administration and probably even
before that, had made with the bank. And there were
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bank fees being charged on multiple accounts that they had
Treasury services is what they called it. But the reality is,
Mandy Britta would not even have known about those things
if I hadn't sat down and told her about them
in our meeting, and I, you know, these were like
the last two things that I felt like needed to
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be cleared up, and I informed her in good faith,
only to then have her turn around and make it
sound like we were responsible for it. And that was
pretty frustrating to hear that that perspective. Frankly, I consider
it defamatory since we were the ones that came in
and told her that, you know, I was, I was there,
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I had witnesses with me, and I said, you know,
this is stuff that I've been working on. It was
a pretty friendly meeting. So I was kind of shocked
that she would take, you know, reality and flip it
on its head and try to make it sound like
somehow Dave. You know, Williams administration was responsible for the
for the problems, and so yeah, I just wanted to
(02:48):
make sure that you guys had the facts. I'm not
a politician, uh, I do treasury services for a lot
of different organizations, campaigns and committees. I have no just
in running for politics, So you know, I guess it's
no surprise that a politician would stretch the truth to
such a degree that we have to come in and
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correct the record.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Why has it been so challenging to reconcile a one
hundred and forty thousand dollars discrepancy that you just said
has been on the books for like ten years or more.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Why has that been so difficult to resolve?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, the main reason is, Mandy, we weren't giving books
when I took over as treasurer in twenty twenty three.
So when I took over, you know, we were given
a door code and that was about it. And they
they dragged their feet on turning over bank records, et cetera.
And so we had to piece together from what little
(03:49):
files there was in you know, on paper bank statements
and such, and frankly, it didn't happen in the previous administration,
but it looked like if I start correcting errors in
the previous administration, that it is actually a ninety five
thousand dollars difference. But when I start to correct it,
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it was growing not getting better, and so that issue
was going to be more exaspirated, and I wanted to
make sure that, Well, one thing is you have to correct.
So let's say you find it and it's ten years old,
you have to correct every single month of reports from
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that point forward because the balances will change, So you
have to correct every single month. And then any errors
along the way, you might as well just find them
all and then correct them in one fell swoop, so
you only have an amendment, you know, for multiple months
one time, rather than having you know, ten, fifteen, twenty amendments.
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Because there was a lot of errors that I was finding.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Why not do I not bring in an accounting firm
to do a true forensic audit on this and have
you know, it sounds like, because you play this role
in multiple organizations, that sounds like perhaps more work. I mean,
it's one thing to say I'm going to be a
treasurer when you get the balance books and then move forward,
that's one thing. But to say you need to go
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back and do a deep dive. Was that beyond your
scope as the treasurer? Or I mean, should outside help
have been called in?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Well?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah, with that kind of a discrepancy, it's always a
good idea to have a third party audit. We actually
hired an auditor, but Breda Horne fired the auditor and
she decided to go with what I call a political
audit instead. And that's how somebody just look at Dave
Williams administration see if they can find any errors and
(05:50):
then you know, so they're looking to do the blame
game rather than actually fix the problem. And she mentioned
that on your show, Mandy, that she really wanted to
go back only two years. Well, a forensic audit isn't
going to go back two years. They're going to go
back to where they find the problem. And I'm all
in favor of that. And when we took over, we
talked about doing an audit, but the reality is we
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only had eighty five hundred dollars in the operations account
when I took over the books, and we had about
ten thousand dollars of unpaid rent that we had to
renegotiate with the landlord. And then we had another sixty
thousand unpaid legal bills, and you know, they opted instead
(06:33):
to pay bonuses to the previous administration and their people,
So we didn't have any money to work with. Audits
cost money, and that's something that we didn't have.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
See here's my issue, and maybe I hope you were
vice chair of the Republican Party when all this stuff
was happening. In my mind, a discrepancy of that size,
even if you can kind of guess that it's a
bookkeeping error or whatever, that should take precedent over some
of the rather largelylegal.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Expenses that have been paid over the last two years.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
And I know that the argument is we were doing
things on behalf of the party that we believed to
be the best for the party in terms of the
legal fees. But the reality is as a as a donor,
if I were donating money, I would want before anything
else to make sure that the books were beyond reproach.
So this is a matter of priorities for me. Why
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was that not a bigger priority for you guys in
terms of getting someone in and doing that deep dive
to go way back, because I don't know how long
the auditor was in place. Tom, that was just fired
by Brita, So I'm not sure how long that process
had been going on.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Yeah, and so thank you Mandy for having both Tom
and I on.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Your show to actually set the record straight.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
So when you look at things, as Tom mentioned, a
forensic audit at the minimum, a true forensic audit is
going to take costs somewhere around one hundred thousand dollars
to start to start. And as we were building our
coffers Lo and behold right in June, right when the
(08:09):
most critical election ever was about to take place, so
that way we can elect President Donald Trump again to
put forward his America First agenda.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
We were ended up coming into.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
This crazy coup that we did have to defend the party.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
And let's just put the and I'm going to set.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
The record straight on that that was around one hundred
thousand dollars. With that stated, we were not only sued
as a party, we were sued individually as individuals. So
Eli Bremer, Bretta Horn, and Kevin McCarney got to run
(08:51):
around for forty five days saying that they were chaired,
vice chair and secretary and so being sued personally. Let
me tell you I have never been sued personally, and
the top that we ended up actually having death threats
to the party.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
So it's not like we weren't focused on this.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Granted, I was not the vice chair when Dave Williams
administration came in from the very get go. I actually
was elected August fifth of twenty twenty three. And to
go back and review all this stuff, granted, yes, Tom
Bjorkln is not a forensic auditor. But let me tell
you what Tom Bjorklyn, Anna Ferguson and Dave Williams all
(09:36):
put together to show and find out that there was
one hundred thousand dollars if not more, that was missing
from the party for ten years or more. Yes, I agree,
we do need to find out that money. But when
there's a coup, that and it was a coup, when
a coup is actually starting to form, and we have
(09:58):
seen this across the name. It is happening in multiple states,
and we had to defend the party. Wait wait, when
the party, we wouldn't have a party.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
You kind of jumped ahead here though, because I was,
you know, to Tom's point, this money was missing when.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
The Williams took over.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
So if the money was missing when Williams took over,
that happened well before the meeting, that that was designed
to overthrow the leadership.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
So what about the interim? That's what I'm at in
my mind.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Here's the thing, and this is you can tell me
if you have a different viewpoint. There's nothing more important
than being upfront and completely transparent with donor money full stop.
That is, when you are a party that is lives
and dies by donations, then we've got to make sure
that anybody who writes a check or sends a venmo,
(10:52):
or however they give money, can rest assured that money
is being taken care of in a in a responsible way.
So in my mind, if those books are out of
whack one hundred thousand dollars, that has to be like
number one job, get to it. And I would point
out that there were multiple times where Dave said, Christy
Burton Brown did this, We're going to do a Friends
(11:13):
of audit and she's going to jail.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
There were threats that there was going to be prosecution,
there was going to be jail, and I was like, great,
let's do the investigation. And if that's what happened, then yeah,
put some people in jail, because you know, there's nothing
more critical in my mind than your fiduciary responsibility to
those donors. So that's why I'm confused that that, you know,
(11:36):
a meeting that happened well after we knew the money
was missing is being used as the reason now that
we couldn't pay someone to come in and find out
where we've lost one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
And to your point, again, we would not have a
party if we did not defend the party. So it's
like the chicken or the egg, right, we look at
it is agreed before that did a forensic audit in
his capacity as the as the treasure, but that was
(12:12):
not a professional forensic audit. He found the information, he
filed an FBC report and all that stuff. But then
when in January, I'm sorry, in June of twenty twenty four,
when all of this started to happen, sure we could
have used that one hundred thousand dollars to do a
forensic audit and have no party, So what would you want?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Okay, So the way I see this is there's two
things being sort of conflated here. One in my mind
is the fiscal responsibility of the party.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
That is, to me paramount.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Nothing else matters, because if you're messing with people's money,
then nothing else after that matters. You have no party
if you can't manage the money. That's just the reality.
So I'm confused, is why.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
There was a lot of talk about forensic audits, but
they were never There should be nothing else other than
making sure you're taking care of people's money first.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
That's just I mean, I'm cheap.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I'll be the first to admit it, right, I am
thrifty with my money, and when I donate to a cause,
I do one of those deep dives to find out
and make sure they're spending my money.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Well, that's all I'm asking that.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
There just seems to be a long time frame that
that did not happen.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yep, yep, Mandy.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
And you look, look, I'm a critical care nurse practitioner, right,
so I also look at it in a critical lens. Look,
we had money in our coffers. When something goes wrong,
like in the ICU. If there is a code, I
don't just say, oh wait, let's stop. We need to
(13:42):
do our forensic ad it first, instead of protecting the
patient and making sure that that patient's life is saved. Ultimately,
that's what we did with the party, is we save
the life of the party because this coup was not
elected as as true electors of the party. And let
me ask you, where's the one hundred thousand dollars plus
(14:06):
that they used to defend with their lawyers that could
have come to you know, the GOP. So you're right,
it was a critical situation. We had to pivot, We
had to defend the party. We definitely were in favor
and I'm still in favor of a forensic goudit. What
(14:26):
Bretta Horne is putting forward as a political audit is
not appropriate. She needs to find if she really wants
to find. And Mandy, if you want to be transparent
with your audience, I would actually ask her for a
true forensic audit, not a pert.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Said she's going to pursue that, and I will hold
her feet to the fire because I think that that.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
And Tom, let me ask you to.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Your point, so it when did you discover like months
after you were made treasurer, So months after or is
it we after that the new the Dave Williams administration
was was sort of put into office. Are we talking
about a span of weeks before you got the data?
Months before you got the data? What are we looking
at there?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Well, the very first time I noticed was when I
got access to the first bank account, and that was
eighty five hundred dollars and they were reporting that they
had over one hundred thousand, one hundred and one hundred
and fifteen thousand, and so I I notified the CPA,
the guy who filed their reports, and I said, hey,
am I off, I'm off by one hundred thousand dollars
(15:33):
here and he said, well, it's actually more like ninety
five thousand.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Give me a call.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
So I called him and he said, you know, you're
not You don't have all the bank accounts. And that's
when I learned that they were actually hiding bank accounts
from us. So once I got the other accounts put in,
they still weren't very much and it you know, so
it reduced it down to ninety five thousand that we
were missing.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
And what amouking is like? At that moment.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
That's when I would have said, we've got to get
a true audit and figure this stuff out.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
So that's why that part.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Right there, that stopping point is where I'm like, Okay,
how where did.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
We go wrong?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
So I did that, but again, the prices start. I
went and actually went out and got quotes. The prices
started at one hundred thousand. Start a forensic audit when
you have eighty five hundred dollars in your operations account
and no books. By the way, Mandy, it's really difficult
to go to a CPA and say, hey, can you
audit us? By the way, we have no books? Right,
(16:32):
what are they going to audit? Exactly?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
We're almost totally out of time and I'm trying to
get as much in here. So hope, did you guys
ever fundraised because I would have donated for an audit.
I was a Republican at the time. I would have donated.
Did you fundraise to do an audit? If so, where
did that money go?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Absolutely, we've fundraises. But let's just put it to you
this way. KBB told all of her donors not to
donate to the party, So you know, we're stuck each
in a rock and a hard place, and that's what
the establishment does. And they definitely put us in this
position for a specific reason to choose a lawsuit versus
(17:11):
a forensic audit. And I can guarantee you we are
When a forensic, a true forensic audit is actually done,
there is going to be shock in awe everywhere.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
And they didn't.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
The establishment does not want us to find that out.
So that is why the coup happened, that is why
everything happened as it did in the twenty twenty four election,
and truly they did not want President Trump elected.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
So well, I'm going to let that be the last word.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Hope Shepplman and Tom Buorklynn from the prior leadership team
of the Colorado GP.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I appreciate you guys coming on today.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I mean, I still am going to be honest, I'm
still dissatisfied. I am. I'm dissatisfied that more was not
done about a the need and the you know, more
transparency and all of that stuff. I don't know exactly
everything you did, but the timing of tying that to
the lawsuit is not It doesn't set well with me.
(18:10):
So I just want to let you know how I'm
feeling here, but I do have to let both of
you go, and I appreciate your time today both of you.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Thank you all right, Thanks guys,
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