06-13-25 FULL SHOW - Jimmy Sengenberger Fills In, Reacts To Israel's Attack On Iran & Iran's Response

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jimmy Sangenberger back with you today and the following three
days of The Mandy Connell Show Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday,
filling in for the ever traveling Mandy. And you know,
it is great to be with you on a Friday
when there has been so much that has gone on

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over the course of this week that has just been
a whirlwind.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
I remember at the.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
End of the show on Wednesday, I was talking to
Zach like, Hey, we need to let the sports guys
know we are going to take an extra hour because
we have so much, so much to work on and
would rather talk about and yes, to work on as
a country, as a world never ending, especially now that

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there has been a strike from Israel on Iran, a
very significant development to be sure. Now the IDF is
reporting that missiles have been detected launched toward Israel, of course,
in retaliation for Israel's strike yesterday. There were a number

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of signs going on being given that this was going
to happen. The US was evacuating installations around the Middle
East to protect the public and protect their personnel and
make sure that they were safe with what was known

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to becoming.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Of course, this strike. Now this is another example of.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Something very fascinating in the sense of Israel being able
to do an attack of this scale, this magnitude, in
this level of surprise and detail because of all the
different facets, from the nuclear scientists, senior military leaders including

(02:05):
the head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, to the nuclear
installations and more. It calls back to mind for me,
the pagers incident last year with Hezbolah. Remember when they
set off thousands of pagers explode to explode. That was

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a massive surprise attack. This again very similar in that respect,
just different size and scale and type of attack, but
still one that took an amazing amount of intelligence and
smarts in terms of how to actually get the job done.
Here is the Prime Minister of Israel bib Netnyahoo announcing

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Operation Rising Lion last night.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Moments ago, Israel launched Operation Rising Lion, i targeted military
operation to roll back the uranium threat to Israel's very survival.
This operation will continue for as many days as it
takes to remove the threat. For decades, the tyrants of
Tehran have brazenly openly called for Israel's destruction. They've backed

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up their genocidal rhetoric with a program to develop nuclear weapons.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
In recent years, Iran has.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Produced enough highly enriched uranium for nine atom bombs. Nine
In recent months, Iran has taken steps that it has
never taken before, steps to weaponize this enriched uranium. And
if not stopped, Iran could produce a nuclear weapon in
a very short time. It could be a year, it

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could be within a few months, less than a year.
This is a clear and present danger to Israel's very survival.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
A clear and present danger to Israel's very survival, which
to me strikes true. Here's what we know, Oh, the
head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard commander, the commander has
Hassian Salami and two other generals were killed, which definitely,
as the Wall Street Journal put it, punched a hole

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in Tehran's military leadership. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nanyah, who
said the military operation would last as many days as
it takes Israel planned fourteen days of operations, according to
his senior Israeli official, and long before Israel's attacks, agents
smuggled explosive drones and other guided weapons into Iran, according

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to an official nan Yahoo and Defense Minister Israel kap
Cats decided Monday that the attack would begin Friday local time,
in official said, and of course we've seen oil prices
have been climbing as a result. Iran's foreign minister has
asked the United Nations to condemn israel attack on the

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country's military and nuclear sites, saying in a letter that
the actions quote amount to a declaration of war against
the Islamic Republic of Iran. And it is rather interesting
as well to see a statement from the Kingdom of
Saudi Arabia expressing its strong condemnation and denunciation of the
blatant Israeli aggressions against the brotherlye Islamic Republic of Iran,

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which undermine its sovereignty and security and constitute a clear
violation of international laws and norms, which I think is
I don't think they wrote that with a straight face,
to be honest.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
One of the big.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Reasons that we even have the Abraham Accords brought about
during the first Trump administration is because the Gulf Arab
States were very concerned about Iran. And there's that old
I think Arabic proverb the enemy of my enemy is
my friend, and that's what brought them together with Israel.
For a number of Arab countries and even Saudi Arabia

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basically telling those countries it's.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Okay, go ahead, sign the deal.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Plus, as I understand it, you need Saudi Arabia to
agree for airspace to be used by Israel for this
strike to happen. So they're saying they condemn it, but
do they really? Fascinating times, let's break it down with
somebody who can help us understand how the intelligence gathering

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could get to this point and what happens to make
this such a success from the standpoint of preparation and more.
Keith Nobles is a longtime a military intelligence contractor, particularly
during the last decade of the Cold War. He's author
of multiple books, including Breaking the Zeitgeist How to Be

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Happy in a World Gone In saying, he joins me now, Keith,
welcome back to Koa.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Hy Jeffy, how are you? Thank you for having me on.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
I'm doing well, my friends, thanks for joining us. I
want to just throw you a very broad question. How
do you look at what happened last night and what.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Has gone on since Israel struck You're on.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Well, Jimmy, there's a little joke that one third of
the people of the Iranian regime or messad ages. It
looks like maybe that's less of a joke that it
was true. It's obvious Israel has thoroughly infiltrated Iran. I mean,
I think you mentioned in your intro there that there

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are reports that Israel did very similar to what Ukraine
did Russia just a couple of weeks ago, and had
drones actually within inside of Iran that they launched at
targets from inside Iran. There are reports that some of
these targeted assassinations were not by missile or bomb, but

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that we're actual Israeli agent who convected the assassinations, and
that there's UH at Israeli base, the facto base operating
inside of Iran from which they're they're convecting these activities.
And that to the point about the Saudi Arabia UH

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proclamation last night, UH, the the weakness of the the
Iranian response. They launched one hundred drones, none of their
ballistic missiles are apparently still available to them to launch,
but that Saudi Arabian the OE shot down some of
those Iranian drones themselves last night. So yeah, Iran is

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in a very bad spot. Obviously, they've they've been thoroughly
infiltrated by by Israel all up and down the line.

Speaker 5 (08:48):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
The other part about that, that's interesting. It's been fought
that the deepest underground Iranian nuclear facilities would require specific
lobs that manufacturer of the United States and the Israeli
is as best we know, do not have an aircraft
that would be capable of carrying that bomb. And that's
always been about to be the limit on Israel wiping

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out the Arabian nuclear program. Given what we've seen in
this love look Israeli infiltration into Iran, Israel may very
well have a different method to destroy those those very
deepest bunkers.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Keith Nobles, our guest Israeli Defense Forces, the our Israel
Defense Forces IDF identifying a missiles launched from Iran toward
Israel at this moment above a Tel Aviv. They say
that their missile defense system, the Iron Dome, is activated.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
I think it's the Iron Dome one that would address that.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
But is activated to provide that defense. When you look
at the signs, let's talk for a moment, because you
were sending me a number of different indicators on Thursday,
or rather on Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
That this was on the verge of happening.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
You said, looks like this strike is going to happen,
and they were evacuating US facilities.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
There were other signs.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
What are some of those things that were done that
gave you this sense, Okay, this is going to happen.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
At this point, we evacuated most of the people have
the Dagdat.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
In the cy.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
Paul raid UAE.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
Dependents were basically told to depart, and then we evacuated
a number of our non combat aircraft out of the
Persian Gulf and blew them off somewhere to the west.
So the United States took the steps that they would
anticipate the possibility of Iranian retaliation against the United States

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facivilities and forces in the Middle East, especially in the
Persian Gulf and obviously in Iraq, where there are still
concer terrible number of militias, sponsored, funded and armed by
Iran that are are active in Iraq. And that's that's
the vulnerability to any of the American assets. See the

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government and non government that may be in Iraq, are
those malicious? And of course we have the Iranian motif
has been terror inside Iran and outside of Iran, and
so we have very possibly that Iran will strike back

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with terrorist attacks. Those could be virtually anywhere in the
world against Israeli or American.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, yeah, that is a big concern in terms of retaliation.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
And already what is this the seventh or eighth front
for Israel and its war against Iran or Iran's proxies.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
The subjects seven, Yeah, I mean, Israel's obviously just going
for the throat. Now, Iran has funded these froxy terrorist groups.
In the best note of those are Holoss Belaw, but
there are many others all throughout the Middle East and
East Africa, and nearly everywhere you see conflict in the

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Middle East, in East Africa, it is being fomented by Iran,
is being armed, funded and instigated by Arabian malicious that's
truthful Lebanon and Iraq, the East Africa. So yeah, Israel's

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just going for the jugular here at this point without.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
A doubt and successfully.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
So Keith Nobles, Now I want to ask you, because
you are a very avid follower of foreign affairs, you
understand the region of the Middle East extremely well. One
thing that I found really interesting is how you initially
had Secretary of State Marco Rubio put out a statement
saying that Israel did this unilaterally, which some folks on

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the media and Democrats others had been saying, oh, well,
this is Trump distancing himself from Israel.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
All via Marco Rubil.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
But to me, that was very intentional that he was saying, Look,
Israel did this strike on its own, but that doesn't
mean that the United States didn't in essence provide cover
through its diplomacy over the last sixty one sixty two
days that they've been trying to negotiate a new deal.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
With Iran that sixty day period.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
And Trump talked about this today in some interviews. Now
that sixty day period passed, he said, we're giving you
sixty days. On the sixty first day, there goes Israel
breaking out the attack and striking on Iran and doing
so very successfully. You just talk a little bit about

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some of that diplomatic aspect and the strategy there, and
how the United States is looking at this and approaching
me that you know, tacit support for what Israel is doing.

Speaker 6 (14:06):
Well.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
So the Rubio statement last night was really a proclamation
that the United States was not involved, even though we
almost certainly were for an intelligence and probably a logistics
ploit of view in assisting this. But really we're Rubio
is seeing is you know, don't don't you dare attack
our facilities in Iras Yes, the UAE, Bahrain.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Et cetera.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
And of course Iran has threatened they will hold Israel
and the United States accountable for that. If they have
the wherewithal to do that anymore is a serious question
at this point. I mean, obviously there's as we mentioned,
there's always a possibility of terrorist attacks, but actually launching

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missiles at American facilities, it's unclear at this point if
they can even to do that. The other thing, for
the last forty five years, so Steve Lowens have taken
over in Iran, the real threat that Iran is posed
to any military action against Iran is their ability to

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close the straight up for use, which would lock up
all that oil in the Persian Gulfs. All the Gulf
states out of the Arabia and Iraq would not be
able to shift their oil, and that would theoretically drive
the price of oils through the rough hundred and fifty
two fifty hours of barrel or something like that, and
consequence consequently collapse to global comfy. I mean, that's always

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been for forty five years, it's been the scenario. So
that's always that is still the risk. But yeah, the
question is does Iran have the wherewld all be able
to do that today? And what we're seeing this will
do what we've assumed for a more time rail would

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be capable of doing. They no longer seem to be
capable of doing after this ray Israeli attacked. Yeah, so
the whole formulation the Middle East has changed. Hair Molest
fifteen hours or so.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
It is dramatic.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Keith Nobles just a couple of minutes with our guests
from a military entail contractor, Keith.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Nobles, when we look at moving ahead.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
President Trump telling Fox News that the Iranians were hit
ten times worse than they thought they would be. He
has indicated he believes that this strike on Iran could
improve chances for a nuclear deal, and also when on
in an interview with a CNN reporter Dana Bash, he
said that the negotiations might go better this time because

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all of their hardline negotiators are now dead. And so
the follow up question was if this means that Israel
was the one who had killed them, and after pausing
for a second, he said.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Well, they didn't die of COVID. What do you make
of that? And where we go from here?

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Briefly, well, it's important to note Israel has not struck
the actual nuclear eractor reactor in Iran, so that's still
there and functioning. They've struck all these facilities used to
process the materials needed to produce a bomb. And as

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you mentioned, you played that Yahi w to start there
saying Iran was very close to a bomb, and we
could debate, of course, different people tomate what very close was,
but obviously Iran and I think obviously the ancates both
believe Iran reached a threshold where it cannot be allowed
to proceed the farther. They were just too close to

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tabbing a bomb. So what's left to negotiate here is
really they were made and reactor and what they made
or may not do with that. I think it's been
clear for Yeah, it's Iran does not need nuclear powered
superduce electricity. They are a wash in oil and they
are a wash in natural gas on natural gas, so

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that's never really been a viable excuse for Iran. So
what's left the negotiation is really that reactor. It would
appear there may be not much left of the rest
of the Iranian program after Israel is finished. It's important
to know these attacks are by Israel continuing they have
would saw, Yes, it will probably go on for several

(18:35):
more days. Absolutely, well, Israel is pretty determined to get
rid of anything from Iran as far as nuclear weapons
or holistic missiles.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Well, we got to leave it there.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
I would just say that to me, the achievement really
is pointed to of what Israel has done here in
the fact that they knew did some actions that would
make sure that top blue military leadership would be at
a particular location so that way they could basically lure
them into a trap and then boom where everybody.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
The whole thing is absolutely amazing.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
We'll we'll talk about it more later on in the
program with Breedier. General retired Doug swocom who's a fighter
pilot in the US Air Force, has worked with the IDF,
and he'll be joining us.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
He was on with us the other day.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
He's gonna be back with us at the top of
this next hour. Keeping Nobles, my friend, thanks for joining us, Jim.
All right, we got to run to a break. We'll
continue on the other side. I'm Jimmy Sangenberger in form
Andy Connell on KOA laugh in the fast thlane. Good

(19:48):
to be with you as we move along nice and
quick and rock and roll ahead on k oh a.
So tomorrow across the country, hundreds of no kings rallies
are planned in opposition to President Trump, and it will

(20:11):
be juxtaposed against the President's big military parade schedule to
take place in Washington, d C. Celebrating the two hundred
and fiftieth birthday of the United States Army, a year
older than our country.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
As The Wall Street Journal put it.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Boasting tanks, cannons, soldiers, and fireworks, President Trump's military parade
Saturday is designed to be a spectacle. Opponents to Trump
want their nationwide protests that day to be an even
bigger one. Progressive groups including the American Civil Liberties Union,
American Federation of Teachers, Planned Parenthood, and Senator Bernie Sanders
campaign office are planning peaceful protests in over two thousand

(20:59):
cities across the U.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
S now.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
We'll see about the peaceful nature, and I expect most
of them will be.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
But it calls to mind. A fantastic tweet.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
I've been wanting to share this from Eric ericson national
radios talking about Iran and Israel and the strike. It
is fiery, but mostly peaceful in Iran tonight, is what
he tweeted last night. I digress anyway, going on with
the story dubbed in No King's Day, these demonstrations aim

(21:35):
to reject what organizers say is Trump's overreach. Event leaders
expect to turn out to pass April's hand Off protests,
which drew at least three point five million participants. That
would potentially mark the largest opposition display of Trump's second term,
rivaling the Women's March of his first term, and organizers

(21:59):
are encouraging it to needs to wave American flags to
show grassroots patriotism, so they will not be waving Mexican
flags at these protests.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Is that the case?

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Is that what you're telling me, We're going to get
a reprieve from the Mexican flags being flown at protests
for the week. We'll see how that works out. But
somebody who, of course has become sort of a figurehead
and the movement to dethrone the King, so to speak,

(22:27):
is Governor Gavin Newsom of California, who, of course, on
Tuesday night, gave a national address that was plagued with
technical problems, and he said.

Speaker 6 (22:37):
This democracy is under assault before our eyes. This moment
we have feared has arrived. He's taking a wrecking ball,
a wrecking ball to our founding father's historic project, three
co equal branches of independent government. They're no longer any
checks and balances. Congress is nowhere to be found. Speaker

(22:59):
Johnson has completely abdicated that responsibility. The rule of law
has increasingly been given way to the rule of don.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
The rule of.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Law is increasingly given way to the rule of don Now,
I am the first to tell you on trade, the
President has greatly exceeded his authority, both under the law
and under the Constitution to put forward his unilateral tariffs,
the Liberation Day tariffs. We talked last week with Professor

(23:29):
Ilios Sohman of George Mason University law professor.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Who is on that case.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
One of the attorneys who won in the United States
Court of International Trade. Now, of course there is a
stay on that, but there's no surprise there. We'll just
see what happens. I think they got a phenomenally strong case.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
On the merits.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
There is no way that you can justify the president
having that authority. But the idea that Trump has essentially
become christened a king is exaggerated at best. And a
lot of it, of course, goes to the use of
the National Guard to help enforce law in order and

(24:13):
protect federal buildings in Los Angeles and of course the
US Marines as well, seven hundred Marines. But the National
Guard called under the president's authority, nationalizing them.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Well, we had a case yesterday.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Where a federal judge or earlier this morning blocked President
Trump's excuse me, that's a different case. It was yesterday
where a court had ruled that a local judge had
ruled that the National Guard needed to be returned to
the authority of Governor Newsom, saying that he overstepped and

(24:51):
what he did was illegal. But now the Ninth Circuit
Court of Appeals just this morning is allowing the President
and to keep the National Guard in Los Angeles, holding
off and putting an essence of stay on the lower
court's order. Now, as for feeling like a king, and

(25:15):
by the way, that is lawful, He's got the lawful
authority to do what he did. Whether or not he
should is a different question. I happened to think he's justified.
We talked about this a Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
But it's a.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Different question from whether or not he has the authority
in that case, unlike the trade and tariffs instance. Now,
as for President Trump and whether or not he feels
like a king, well, Cabrold no Kings protests planned across
the country on Saturday as well.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
What are your thoughts on those? They got no king,
No kings. I don't feel like a king. I have
to go through hell to gains stuff. Aprod the king
would say, I'm not gonna get this.

Speaker 7 (25:55):
The King would have never had the California mandate even
be talking him.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
He wouldn't have to up Mike.

Speaker 7 (26:00):
Johnson and tune and say, fellas, you gotta pull this off,
and after years we get it done. No, No, we're
not a king.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
We're not a king at all, Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
I love how he said that, and he was playful
about it like that.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
That is quite essentially Trump.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
But I have to say it is quite ironic that
you have this movement of folks on the left in
particular and especially the far left who are standing up
saying no kings, we don't want them.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
No kings, no Trump king.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
But what they ignore is that their policies and their
approaches to politics and government and just shredding the constitution
over decades, both parties have done, but I would say
much more often the Democrats who've expanded the size and
scope of government beyond the confines of the Constitution and
much more. They increasingly have been assuming more power, making

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whether it's an individual president or the government itself into
a king. So remember in the line King, it's the
first movie I ever saw in theaters, The Lion King,
where you know the hyaenas they're working for scar and
they want to take out Mufasa and make him the king. Well,

(27:13):
at first they were excited about not having a king,
but then got a.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Little reminder remember this scene King, no king, idiots, I will.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Be a king, a king.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
For the leftists who are in charge, who want to
have a different regime in power, with more government control
of different things than providing all sorts of welfare programs
and whatnot that make the people dependent.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
These people are saying they.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Don't want kings, and yet really there are leaders in
their movement that are.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Saying, you idiots, I will be king.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
We will be king and enforce our brand on society
and on government, so on and so forth, the cancel
culture and all the things we've dealt with over the
last number of years. So it is rich carry no kings,
no kings, and then knowing really they want to be king.

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That's the reality of it.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Oh my goodness, don't get me started. I'm fired up.
I'm ready to hear from you as well.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
In the Kiowa Common Spirit Health text line at five
six six nine zero, Jimmy Singenberger in for Mandy Connell.
We'll keep it going on the other side, stay with
us on Kiowa.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
He was with us on Wednesday. I asked him to
come back.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Brigadier General retired from the Air Force, Doug Odie Slocum
will join us.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Odie was his call sign.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
He is a retired fighter pilot who can offer up
some fantastic insights on Israel strike in Iran. And I thought,
I really, I'm to bring it back because this is
a guy who can give us some perspective and who
worked with the IDEF as well. Listener texts coming in

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on the koa common Spirit health text line five sixty
six nine zero. Jimmy, doesn't it say something that there
have been protests everywhere every day against Trump? He is
a horrible human being who fancies himself a king. Couple
thoughts one. I think this is a lot of a
carryover from things that we saw on his first term

(29:30):
and fears from his second term, and some of the
stuff that he's doing and following through on his agenda
understandably give people concern. Does he prefer when he's able
to sort of go it alone or push the envelope?

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Absolutely, I will be the first to agree with that.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
I don't, though, think he actually fancies himself a king.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
I think he would like to be able to get.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Things done more quickly that he wants and not have
to deal with some of what he may view.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
As a hassle. And that's a different view for me.
I think that the president.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
It's great that the president has all kinds of checks
and balances, and Trump is absolutely overstepped. Now people can
agree or disagree on Trump, whether he's a horrible human
being or he's a good human being, or what have you.
The American people clearly are divided on that question, but
a majority of voters did vote for him for president
to come back into office in twenty twenty four. And

(30:24):
I think that what you're seeing is almost a decade
now of animis from a lot of different Americans who
are willing to get out there and speak their mind.
It just says that there are people who are fired up,
who are very passionate about Trump, and we know this.
I don't know that it really says too much about
what he's actually done versus what people think of what

(30:47):
he's done in some areas, If that makes sense, It
certainly demonstrates that there is a lot of frustration and angst.
But when you look at the polling, for example, on immigration,
Trump is winning. The Republicans are winning on the immigration issue,
even among immigrants themselves, legal immigrants themselves, and that.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
I think is an important signal.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
And those people are not going to go out in
either protests or you know, go to a rally, because
they're just everyday Americans doing their thing and they've got
their viewpoints immigrant, Republican.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
What have you. So that's sort.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Of my take on that particular question and a simple
statement from another listener, the reality of Saudi Arabia and
other countries there do not want Iran with nukes. Yes,
that is absolutely the case, without a doubt. I'm Jimmy
saying in Berger will pick it up on the other
side with the retired Brigadier General Doug slocom and so

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much more.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Keep it here, Jimmy and for many on Koa.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
In for Mandy Kon once again today rounding out the week,
and then back in the suttle Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.
Good to be with you on a busy, busy news day.
Iran has been retaliating, launching ballistic missiles at Israel, particularly

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Tell Aviv, and that is ongoing. That attack is ongoing,
and while Israel seems to be deflecting most of the missiles,
at least that's what it appears to be the case,
there are some that are getting through. Let's talk about
the retaliatory strike from Iran and what it might be

(32:43):
like and was likely. Like I should say with regards
to this strike from Israel on Iran and the air
aspect and the multifathodate aspect, I mean you could think
about the various ways in which Israel attacked on the ground,
in the air, using drones, what have you. But who

(33:04):
better to dive into this with than Brigadier General Doug
Slocomb his call.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Sign as a fighter pilot. Adding to the.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Real insight that he can bring was Odie his book
Violent Positivity, A Fighter Pilot's Journey Leadership Lessons on Caring
for People. General Doug Slocum of the Air Force and
Air National Guard retired joins me now once again.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
After Wednesday he was here with us with.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Ruben Nevrett, and I thought we need to do something
more and so here we are.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
General Doug Slocumb, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
But again I always enjoy talking with you.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Always great to talk with you, my friend. So let's
look big picture. We saw a multifaceted attack for Israel
and Iran. It was clearly a surprise for Iran, certainly
with the size and scope significant leadership damage done.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
How do you look at this from your vantage points?
What happened?

Speaker 5 (34:03):
Well, I mean this is something that they've been talking
about and planning for, you know, probably for a decade
or more. You know, I ran nuclear option and you know,
operating to take that out. What I think is always intriguing.
One is Israel has a very capable military, a very
capable air force as part of that. But it is

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always amazing to see how they end up coming about
the element of surprise, especially since people have been talking
about this for a while. And you know, innovation, as
we saw what happened in Lebanon with the exploding pages
and things like that. They keep their adversaries on their
heels by coming up with unique and innovative ways to
approach dealing with their adversaries. And I think we're seeing

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that same thing play out right now, some of which
we hear about, some of which we'll never hear about.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
You have talked about the UDA loop, and I want
you to explain a little bit about what that is
and entails and how it applied to this strike.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
You bet uh Luke is a fighter pilot terminology. Famous
fighter pilot came up with it, and the whole idea
is observed, orient, decide and act. The name was John
Boyd who came up with this concept, and it's how
we went from having the big, heavy, expensive type of
fighter jets to the quick and agile. He's kind of

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the mastermind behind what ended up being the F sixteen.
Let's go back to simplicity, and the idea is that
you can look, you can observe, you can take those observations,
figure out what you're going to do, do it, and
act faster than your opponent can or your adversary can.
It's so that you're always seizing the initiative. And the

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easiest analogy I love to throw out it it's like
the no huddle football when the offense just tries to
run fast enough that the defense is always on the
heel and can't quite keep up with what they're doing
and they're never ready. And that's the whole idea behind
the OODA loop, and I think Israel is probably textbook
executing by that philosophy right now.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Expand a little bit, if you would, General Slocum on
that how this multifaceted attack is sort of an implementation
of the OODA loop concept.

Speaker 5 (36:16):
Well, one you touched on the idea that this is
most likely a very inter service type of an operation.
Of course, Israeli defense forces are an integrated organization, but
we think, oh, they're going to do an air strike. Well,
there's clearly elements that are on the ground from what
I've been reading in the open source I'm sure that
there's a seaborne component of it somehow. Of course, Israel

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has some very small capable warships, submarines and the like,
and I'm sure, you know, like I said, there's been
that clandestine part of it that's all put together and
they're working in you know, synchronous, in a synchronous manner
to get the maximum effect. And once again, they've had
a long time to plan, so have great intelligence on

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what needs to be where to make sure they're taking
out the defensive and then being effective with their strikes.
This is a big deal this politically, you know, how
are you ever going to back out of it? Once
we started down this road here? So I'm ensure in
their mind is they are going to be effective at
making this happen. And they've been planning, preparing, and they
have very capable military to execute it.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
They had agents on the ground that were able to
unleash drones, they had obviously assets on the ground to
identify targets and so forth, and of course the intelligence
gathering from the Mesade is tremendous. The agents on the
ground there, I mean, it is remarkable to think about
what they're able to do.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
And then you have the air aspect, and.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
I want to talk about that for a moment, but
give a little bit of context from your background. Ode again,
that is the call sign of our guests, Brigadier General
retired Doug Slocum. You have or the Israelis for this
attack and the air aspect used F fifteen's, F sixteens
and especially F thirty five. Can you talk a little

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bit about both your personal experience as a fighter pilot
with these fighters and also the IDF and sort of
what mindset they bring given the work that you have
done in the past with them.

Speaker 5 (38:18):
Well, once again, Israeli Air Force very capable quantitatively and qualitatively.
I think they have the advantage on all fronts here.
You know, the F sixteen and F fifteen they are
a little bit older platforms. We would call them legacy
or fourth generation aircraft. The F fifteen, there's versions of
that that are very long range, capable with the conformal

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fuel tanks and probably could you know, execute strikes. The
thing about the F fifteen is it can carry very
large bombs or missiles on it externally. Not a stealth
type of a plane. The F sixteen, a little bit
shorter ranged, agile, can do a little of everything, and
then probably the workhorse a lot of this is they're

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growing F thirty five fleet that once again has a
very long range. It's fifth generation low observable as we
would call it, others would call it stealth, and it
has that small weapons bay with very capable weapons that
can be carried inside that bay that you know, you
combine all these different assets along with the other services,

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and it is quite a capable striking force that they have.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
And your experience with the F sixties I think you
were telling me you logged four thousand hours in your time.

Speaker 5 (39:32):
Yeah, just under four thousand in the different models of
the F sixteen, and so you've can have the experience
of the delivering one to Israel, and so.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
In that respect, from your experience, when you're talking about
implementing an operation like this, carrying it out, getting in
the jets, flying out and doing your thing, how quick
does that happen? I mean, when we're thinking about the
number of things that had to go on in a

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short span of time on the ground and in the air,
don't you have to get general slocum the timing quite right?

Speaker 5 (40:08):
Oh, I'm sure that the timing is very precise, and
all of these airplanes have avionics and capabilities that you
can put a bomb on avery you know, within a
couple of feet of something, within a second. That type
of capability we've had for quite a while, and certainly
in the different weather that sort of thing, they have
that capability. So it really boils down to planning. What

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kind of plan do they have, how you execute that plan,
and how do all these different assets work together. I mean,
we could talk all day about an F fifteen or
an F sixteen as an individual aircraft, but you have
to realize it's a team. It's all these different capabilities
put together, and how you use that to get the
effect on target that you're looking for.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
In this case, one thing I think that is critical
to consider is the fact that Israel had to fly
the planes over someplace in order to get there that
would seem to be including Saudi Arabia. There was a
statement put out early today I believe, or it was
last night from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia saying that

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they expressed, quote a strong condemnation and denunciation of the
blatant Israeli aggressions against the brotherly Islamic Republic of Iran,
which undermine its sovereignty and security and constitute a clear
violation of international laws and norms. While the Kingdom condemns
these heinous attacks, it affirms that the international community and
the Security Council bear a great responsibility to immediately halt

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this aggression. Do you think that they were able to
keep a straight face when they wrote that statement, because
it seems they had to sort of, you know, at
least accept that it was going on and provide a
little bit of an okay, especially when they, as I
understand it, helped to take out some of the drones
in the initial Iran retaliatory strike this morning.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
Well yeah, I mean, the Middle East politics are you know,
very complicated on how it works. But you know, just
from the big picture, Saudi Arabian Iran are not allies
by any stretch of the imagination. They're like the big
boys in town. They viewed things quite different. And add
this areal for the most part. So there is ankst

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between the countries. There's anks between their primary religions sect
in each of the countries, between the Sunni and Shia.
And you know, when you look at Israel and how
to get to Iran, You've got Jordan, Iraq, Syria, potentially Kuwait,
and possibly Saudi Arabian all opinion on flight paths. So
how does this all work? That would be a very

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interesting question, and in the open source so certainly you
don't see anything addressing that specifically.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
General Doug Slocum.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
When we look at the Middle East, one of the
things I think is really striking is about how I mean,
during the first Trump administration, we had the Abraham Accords
and there were several Golf Arab countries that signed on
to peace with Israel, which they could not have done
in real terms if Saudi Arabia, if the Kingdom did
not basically say it's okay. We know about different back

(43:09):
channel conversations that have been had, and you know, it's
as about as good as it could ever imagine to
be at this point between Israel and Saudi Arabia that
do not have formal relations that I've interviewed representatives from
the Kingdom before and they're like, we do not have,
you know, relations with Israel. That's not a thing, and

(43:30):
yes they don't officially. But there has been a shift,
and that shift over the recent years has particularly been
over concern about Iran and the potential threat of Iran
with nuclear weapons, as well as the other actions that
Iran takes as far as a leading sponsor of terrorism
and in fact a proxy war in Yemen against Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 5 (43:52):
There you go, you hit the nail on the head there,
because Iran supporting the husies in Yemen, and of course
Saudi Arabia and the United Emirates were involved on the
other side there. So yes, there was an active proxy
war against Saudi Arabia by Iran in that particular case. So,
you know, just adds to the fact that there's not
a lot of love loss. I loved when you were

(44:14):
talking to use the phrase there's not formal relationships between
the countries, and I wrote that on my notepad and
circled it right here. Yeah, there's not formal, you know, diplomatically,
you know, for the rest of the world, that just
wouldn't be palatable. Do they probably have pretty good communication?
I'm guessing that they do.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Without a doubt.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Again, General Doug Slocum joining us one listener text I'm
looking for it because it came in earlier.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Will this lead to a revolution in Iran?

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Forty six years of the malas is enough that's coming
in by the KOA Common Spirit health text line at
five six six nine zero. What do you think could
be the potential for something broader inside of Iran if
there is any as far as being able to have
the I Rannie and people overthrow the brutal regime.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
Well, you know, that's it's going to be a little
bit of a mixed political messaging with it. Anytime the
country is attacked from the outside, it actually has a
tendency to bring the country together.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
So I think in the.

Speaker 5 (45:14):
Short term, thinking that that's going to have an effect
that probably is not into planning aspects at all. I'm
guessing in the long run with the country, the citizens
maybe be upset that their country is so vulnerable if
they've taken the path that they have. It's kind of
hard to tell. I mean, keep it in mind, at
one point I ran the Shah. They were great allies
of Ioways. That's why they have fours and f fourteen's

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and all as part of their military and all. So
there's there's a history there. At the same time, the
fact that this is an open, aggressive accent against the country.
You know, President Trump talked about maybe this will get
the nuclear agreements moving, you know, if you lose most
of the capabilities as all as you get set back. Yeah,

(45:58):
it might be a motivator on that front, but there's
going to be that we want to save face aspect
of it. That's going to be primary at this point.
And that's just just like anybody else, even more so
in the Middle East. If somebody gets punched, they're going
to want to punch back, and that's what we're seeing
play out right now.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Another interesting question, General, ODI, Have the Iranian Air Force
even engaged the IDF? And I think this is more
a historical question because that didn't really happen in this case.
Are you aware of anything along those lines having happened
in the past.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
No, any direct you need. Even with the last strike
that Israel did, there was no talk that I saw
anywhere about the Iranian Air Force. Keep it in mind
that most of their aircraft are third generation or so
older airplanes. Even x US a handful of jets that
came from Iraq. They're starting to potentially get some aircraft

(46:52):
from Russia. Their air capability is not anywhere I'm close
to part with Israel and they're not in a position
to be able to challenge them in the air one
B one.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
We've just got a few minutes left with the General Slocum.
Let's talk for a moment about where we go from here.
In your view in the coming days and weeks, months,
does this escalate into a conflict that the United States
has to get directly engaged in, because we have seen
now this morning support tacitly from President Trump saying, you know,

(47:22):
I gave Iran sixty days.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
This was the sixty first day, and Israel did it.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
And you know, but Trump is now saying, I think
that this will get us a greater opportunity now to
actually have Iran sign a deal.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
What do you think might happen.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
Next, Well, that's going to be interesting to see, of course,
the role of the United States, you know, publicly were
saying we weren't involved with the strike. Israel by itself
standing alone, of course, is very dependent on the US
for aid and for technology and all that they use
for their military. So certainly they're not going to be
acting at least without let's call it hea to be

(47:58):
called consultations with the United States on what's going on.
You know, I believe President Trump stated that he was
aware that this was going to happen. And you know
what's the results if the missile strikes continue, or are
we going to put our agis our Bird class destroyers
are in cruisers off the coast of Israel to help
protect the country like we had done a couple of

(48:19):
months ago. A lot of those questions are still up
in the air. You know, what is the resolve of
the United States. I think it's in everybody's interest to
try and get to a peaceful solution at this point.
Clearly Israel thought that a nuclear armed Iran was not
in the best interest and was a threat to their
further existence, and that's why they took the risk to

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do what they're doing right now.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
And yeah, I wonder if as we look ahead for Israel,
if they view because I actually I'll take a step back.
This is the seventh front in the war that Israel
is engaged against Iran or its proxies.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Remember Hamas as.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
A proxy Hasbla is basically Iran, and you have, of course,
as we were just talking about the war in the
proxy war between the Hutis and the government in Yemen,
with the UTIs being funded and sponsored by Iran and
so forth, How does that aspect of a multi front
war fit into where the next steps may go from

(49:18):
Israel's vantage point, because it's not just that they are
against Iran.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
In Iran, you have these other factors at play.

Speaker 5 (49:26):
Well, Israel has been fighting multiple front wars, you know, consistently.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Since it's throughout its existence, right it.

Speaker 5 (49:35):
Has, And you know, it's a very small country. There's
not a lot of you know, you can't do a
whole lot of retreating or anything when a country that's
you know, bat size that Israel is very small, but
once again, a very capable country that understands their threats
that they have and how to deal with them diplomatically

(49:57):
and militarily. You have to throw all that in together
on how they're dealing with this.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Anything else do you think folks should be considering or
aware of as we look at the ongoing events from
Israel and Iran.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
Well, no, I mean right now would be just paying
attention to what is going on, what are the future
steps going to be? You and I had talked before,
you know, we had this discussion of what was Iran's reaction,
and since we talked and then came onto the air today.
Of course they are reacting as we speak right now
with the ballistic missiles attacks going on in Israel? Are

(50:33):
there surprises that Iran has in store a capability that
maybe we're not aware of or Israel's prepared for. So
it is a precarious situation over there. Let's all just
pray for peace. I mean, I don't think anybody in
the military wants war, but you know, building nuclear weapons,
threatening neighbors, having proxy wars isn't exactly following a peace

(50:53):
process either. So let's hope that this ends up the
way that we want it, with a peaceful solution and
the minimal loss of life and.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Actually real quick In terms of Iran's response, General Slocum,
when we see the kind of devastation that Iran has
says with regards to top military leadership, including the head
of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard being taken out, what does
that What are some of the implications for that to
Iran's response.

Speaker 5 (51:24):
Well, you're going to take key players out of the
chain of command is going to slow the response. It's
going to bring questions into control of certain military elements. Potentially,
just like if we were to remove certain things out
of the military chain of command, how would we react,
would slow it down, And it sounds like they were

(51:45):
able to get a lot of these leaders in the
same room at the same time and then strike that
particular area. So that apparently the going for the head
of the snake from the leadership perspective has been very
effective and it is going to impact Iran after a while,
but it's going to take a little bit of time.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
We will be watching with great interest and indeed very
prayerfully as well. General Doug Slocum call Sign Odie. Really
appreciate your time and analysis. Thanks for joining us again
for the second time this week.

Speaker 5 (52:15):
Jimmy, always great to talk with you. I hope you
have a wonderful weekend.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Thank you, sir, you as well. Happy Father's Day to you.
There you go once again, Bradyer. General Doug Slocum joining
us here on the program. Jimmy Sangenberger filling in for
Mandy Connell on KOA, keep it here, well, we've got
lots more on the other side.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Don't go anywhere, bet yea.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
The blues Man bring in some of w I call
the best bumper music known to man. Filling in for
Mandy Connell, he's underrated. That's Rory Gallagher, who was actually
an Irish blues musician and a phenomenon guitar player.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Indeed, as I said, underrated. So tomorrow, we're all well aware.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Of the no King's protest that the that are happening
around the country one hundred.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Really hundreds of locations, not just one hundred.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
President Trump yesterday asked about these protests, the rolled no
Kings protests planned across the country on Saturday as well.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
What are your thoughts on those?

Speaker 4 (53:35):
What do they? No King?

Speaker 2 (53:36):
No Kings. I don't feel like a king. I have
to go through hell to gains Stuffolk. The king would say,
I'm not gonna get this.

Speaker 7 (53:44):
The King would have never had the California mandate to
even be talking to him. He wouldn't have to call
up Mike Johnson and Thune and say, fellas, you gotta
pull this off, and after years we get it done. No, No,
we're not a king.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
We're not a king at all. Thank you very much.
It's good to be the king.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Great famous line from History of the World, Part one,
mel Brooks film. But Trump is an interesting position if
he's a king, because courts keeps striking down different things
that he's doing from the trade terroriffs. I'm very much
in favor of that decision by the US Court of

(54:22):
International Trade saying the Liberation Day tariffs are unconstitutional and
not just a breach of federal law, but also of
the Constitution, where Congress. Even if one could say that
President Trump had this power delegated by Congress, it's not
authorized to do it to delegates that extent of power

(54:43):
and authority to the president.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
It's going to stay. There's going to be a decision.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
It'll probably ultimately reach the US Supreme Corporate There is
a check, numerous other checks. Okay, yesterday there was a
court decision saying Trump had to return control of the
National Guard to Governor Gavin Newsom in California over the
President's objections. Of course, the President had ordered the National

(55:09):
Guard to Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Well.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Then today the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeal said, wait
a second, we're putting a hold on that. Trump can
continue to keep control of the National Guard right now
there and having nationalized it.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
But the courts are intervening.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Time after time after time, the courts are intervening, including
just today this.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
From Yahoo News.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
A federal judge on Friday blocked President Donald Trump's attempt
to overhaul elections in the US, siding with a group
of Democratic state attorneys general I believe, including Colorado, by
the way, who challenged the effort as unconstitutional. The Republican
president's March twenty fifth executive order sought to compel officials

(55:59):
to require documentary proof of citizenship for everyone registering to
vote for federal elections, except only mailed ballots received by
election day, and conditioned federal election grant funding on states
adhering to the new ballot deadlock. Now, let's be clear
Colorado actually follows these as I understand it, in terms

(56:21):
of documentary proof of citizenship and then accepting mail ballots
on election day.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
It's by seven pm on election day.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
And actually I don't think it was documentary proof of citizenship.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
It's ID. So that may be an extra layer added on,
I think, to Colorado's elections.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
So that would be something that Colorado isn't doing that
needs to be done. You check that box, and that
kind of is it, and you know that's how it goes.
But nevertheless, the court here ruled on this case where
the attorneys general said the directive you serve the state's

(57:01):
constitutional power and seeks to amend election.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Law by FIOD. By the way, I love.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
When sometimes you see a lot of the Democrat attorneys
general who don't care about the federal government's overreach time
after time after time when it suits them, but then
on certain things where they're like, well, we don't like this,
then they throw a fit and throw states' rights at us. Now,
by the way, I don't think that this is something

(57:29):
that the federal government should be dictating to the states.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
I'm a big believer in that.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
I don't agree with President Trump's executive order on two fronts.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
One, I don't think that that's something the fed should
be doing.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
I want to keep elections as much in control of
the states as possible. That's why I opposed a couple
of years back HR one, which would have basically federalized
our elections. Democrats were pushing that you go in the
direction of federalizing elections, you open the door to Democrats
to do with so many different things.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
If you're a.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Republican, Republicans doing this allows for things that Democrats will
object to. I think that the states, as Colorado has done,
need to have the latitude to change and modify their
system to improve as fits those states the best. For example,
in Colorado, we were one of the first states to

(58:23):
go to universal vote by mail in twenty thirteen. By
the way, seventy percent of registered voters were already receiving
no excuse absentee ballots by that time. What that means
is seventy seventy percent of voters in Colorado had signed
up to get a mail in ballot, So it kind

(58:44):
of was a logical switch at that time, at least
in terms of Colorado's readiness. I opposed it at the time,
but at least Colorado was ready for it in a
way most other states were not necessarily ready for with
their vote by mail switches a COVID during COVID in
twenty twenty. But nevertheless, over the years after doing that,

(59:06):
Colorado has done a lot of modifications and changes to
improve our elections to make them better and more secure.
And for the most part those changes have in fact
been improvements, things that have made our system one that
we can have trust and confidence in when the federal
government sticks its grubby little hands into that thing, except

(59:29):
in certain areas that they have done as far as
election infrastructure and some of the security staff.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
I think that causes a lot of problems.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
So I don't believe that President Trump should have done this.
From an authority standpoint, the President doesn't have the ability
to unilaterally do this. Number one, I tend to agree
with the court view here. And number two, it's not

(59:58):
something that the Fed should probably be doing in the
first place, even if it was Congress doing it now.
The White House defended the order is standing up for free,
fair and honest elections and called proof of citizenship common
sense requirement.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
I think every state should require proof of citizenship and
photo ID, and you should stop counting ballots by the
end of election day, of not stop counting ballots, stop
receiving ballots by the end of election day. You don't
get your ballot in by seven pm election day.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
I like that role in Colorado. That's how it should be.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
But that doesn't mean that the President should jump ahead
and do it, nor does it mean that Congress should
even jump ahead and require it. So I do tend
to agree with Judge Denise J. Casper's decision in the
state of Massachusetts. But guess what, folks, this helps to
demonstrate something very plain.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
President Trump is not a king. No kings.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
You don't want a king, Well, you don't have a king,
and you don't need to worry about that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Is he doing overreach?

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Are we going to become a monarchy?

Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
The size and scope of government has been expanded over
the past century plus, particularly by Democrats.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
I would say, oh, Republicans have.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Done it too, And this is just Trump building on
past presidencies. Every president has increased power over the decades
in their office. Trump is just the latest one to
do it, and he's doing it more rapid fire, so
it stands out a bit more. But the courts have
been intervening in a lot of these cases and it

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is fascinating to watch, but gives a little bit of
perspective on this. I'm Jimmy Sangenberger in for Mandy Connell.
Let's run to a break on the other side. We'll
continue on KOA for Mandy and here as we return

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to the theme song of to Me, one of the
great comedy movies.

Speaker 8 (01:02:09):
Now you see that evil will always triumph because good
is dumb.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Spaceballs came out two decades ago, forty years and it
is one of those movies is if you're not familiar,
it's the Star Wars spoof. Bill Pullman stars in it.
And you had me It's mel Brooks film. Rick moranis
is There is Dark Helmet, absolutely a blasted.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
One of the most memorable.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Exchanges, of course, is the I'm your father part song Helmet.

Speaker 5 (01:02:51):
So at last we meet for the first time, for
the last time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Yeah, before you die.

Speaker 8 (01:02:59):
There is so thing you should know about a Sloan
saw what I am your father's brothers, nephews, cousin's former roommates.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
What's that make? Guess absolutely nothing? Which is what you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Are about to because just one of those great, so
many phenomenal lines. Let's go to ludicrous speed and beyond. Well,
guess what. The announcement came just yesterday from none other
than the great mel Brooks himself. After forty years, we asked,

(01:03:45):
what do the fans want? But instead we're making this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
May the Schwartz be with you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Spaceball's two who is due out in theaters in twenty
twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Mel Brooks is all of ninety.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Eight years young, and when this movie comes out, he
will god.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Willing be one hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
So that seems like just perfect timing to release it,
and they have announced not only is mel Brooks coming back,
particularly as Yogurt, but also Bill Pullman as Lone star.
Rick moranis basically coming out of retirement for this movie

(01:04:37):
to return as Dark Helmet. I think they've got a
couple other folks returning as well. Unfortunately, of course, stars
of the film like John Candy and Joan Rivers are
no longer with us and will not be able to
be portrayed of course in the movie. But I am
very excited. I hope you are too. We're gonna run

(01:05:00):
to the break with a final hour Jimmy in for
Mandy on KOA, May.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
The Schwartz be with you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Third and final hour Jimmy Sangenberger in for Mandy Today, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
four in a row. And I'm glad to be here
on this Friday before Father's Day. If you are a father,
Happy Father's Day to you. I hope you have a
great weekend and a very special Father's Day on Sunday,

(01:05:38):
and I will extend a special Father's Day greeting to
Happy Father's Day to my dad and my Grandpa. Happy
Father's Day, Love you both. Central Tel Aviv impacted by
ballistic missiles fired from Iran. This from the Wall Street

(01:05:59):
Journal after HISI said it had detected dozens of missiles
launched from Iran and was working to intercept them. Israeli
paramedics said they were treating five injured people, and Israeli
officials urged people to take shelter. Israeli Defense Minister Israel
Katz said Iran had crossed a red line by firing

(01:06:20):
missiles at populated civilian areas in Israel. That is actually
very very important, very very important to keep in mind
that Iran is striking intentionally at populated civilian areas, whereas
Israel specifically had targets in mind, which is the case.

(01:06:42):
Tamas will indiscriminately target civilian areas. Israel will do its
level best to avoid that and give learnings when they
are going to strike civilian areas well in advance.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
It's one of the.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
One of the facts that is not it is closed
all too often by a lot of folks in the
media who would paint Israel as the villain in the
God's War. Well, that aside Iran going ahead and striking
directly at civilian areas and injuring, but thank God, so far,

(01:07:17):
God willing never killing any israelis Supreme leader Hyatola Ali
come An a earlier said Israel quotes should expect severe
punishment for Israel's wide ranging attack on the country's nuclear
program in military leadership. In waves of strikes that began
early Friday local time and continued through the day, Israel

(01:07:41):
killed the head of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and
struck dozens of targets, pushing the region into a new
conflict with uncertain consequences. This isn't exactly new conflict in
that this is the seventh front in a seventh front war.
Amas has Belah, Yemen, now Iran directly. All of those

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are proxies or otherwise of Iran. This now just a
direct front in the war. Listener text via the KOA
Common Spirit Health text line five sixty six nine zero.
Iran just started bombing Tel Aviv. Jimmy, are we going
to World War three? Who knows for sure? But I
don't think so. In fact, I'm I think that Israel

(01:08:29):
will be able to sort of sow this particular stage
in the wars against Iran, or with Iran up relatively soon.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
I don't think Iran is in.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
The position, especially with losing top military leadership, to have
some kind of protracted engagement, and the idea of a
ground war seems highly unlikely. I think they'll go for
a couple of weeks exchanging back and forth, and then
Iran will pull back eventually, and maybe President Trump is
that's right, Iran will come to the table and you'll

(01:09:02):
have an even better deal or a pretty decent deal
that will help to sew things up in regards to
nuclear ambitions.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Maybe that'll happen. I certainly would hope.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
So let's go through a few more texts that I
think are important.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
To respond to. A one five six six nine zero.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Jimmy mail in ballots, this voter fraud. If you're going
to make an argument about Colorado's elections, I would like
you please to text me in a real argument, because
that is not true in any way, shape or form.
In fact, I would contend, and we can walk through
this that Colorado has a very strong, secure election system,

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and one of those aspects, it's really interesting listener texts
coming in. So you want non citizens to vote? I
do not, No, no, no, I don't want the president
of the United States to unilaterally by executive order, dictate
to the state it's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
What their election system should have.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Nor do I think that Congress should be involved in
that beyond very narrow objectives. Absolutely, non citizens should not vote,
and if they do, it is very very few that
sort of get through the cracks, at least in the
state of Colorado. Now, Colorado does not have a requirement

(01:10:24):
that you have to show proof of citizenship to vote. Well,
one of the things that we do have in the state,
which has kind of grown on me, is automatic voter registration.
Because the DMV has requirements to get a driver's license.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
When you're a citizen, you get a driver's license.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
If you are or a legal resident, you have different
driver's licenses that you get. Or if you're an illegal
immigrant and you get a license, because Colorado is stupid
enough to do that, then if you're not a citizen,
you will not get the particular license that those of
us who our citizens get. So the requirement to get

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a driver's license is actually very robust in and of
itself and does more to prove citizenship than what is
required in order to vote in and of itself. In fact,
if you think about it. You can go and I
have the copy right in front of me. Step one,
Identity and lawful presence. You have to bring one of

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the following and that can include specific things that demonstrate
your citizenship. If you don't currently have an existing driver's license,
certificate of naturalization or citizenship is something you need to
provide an unexpired US passport. Well, to get a passport,

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you got to show your citizenship. Unexpired Permanent Resident card
which indicates you're not a citizen.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Valid I ninety four refugee slash Approved.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
ISA A SI LEE. That's another thing that shows you
are not a citizen. That will give you an indication
that you are have a different sort of legal status
in the state of Colorado.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
So those things, when.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
You are a citizen, you're providing materials there that help
to demonstrate this, or you can bring certificate of US birth,
certified US birth certificate, other things that show you're legitimacy.
The whole list provides as security, and that's when you

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sign up for a driver's license in Colorado, you are
automatically registered to vote if you are a citizen, and
those are the verification processes and documents that are provided
that is pretty robust in Colorado, and you don't need
President Trump to say something.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
I think Colorado's laws.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
Should be changed to require just officially proof of citizenship
to vote and voter ID that is a photo ID,
without question. Because even though our election system by and
large very secure, a lot of different steps and checks
and balances to provide that security.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
And I can go into that in another time.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
And because you have these and you also have these
steps in place for the automatic voter registration, those are
good things, but you need to make sure even more
strongly that you have people voting who are only legitimate voters.
And that is by and large the people who vote

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vast like that is who votes. People legitimate and if
they get through the cracks that are non citizens. You
need to prevent that from happening. And that is not
a vote by mail issue. That is a matter of
what do you do and the processes and steps when
people register to vote.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
So strengthen that at the state level. Great, at least
we have the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Kind of requirements necessary to get a driver's license for
a citizen who's eligible to vote. That provides that security
to ensure that people who get a driver's license and then.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Vote are legal voters. So just keep that in mind.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
And by the way, again, this does not mean none
of this means that the president should do this, nilatter relate.
That's the point that I was raising. I'm Jimmy Sangenberger.
It's the Mandy Connells Show. We've got more coming up
as we're flying by with the time right here on
koa could all get blown up away about ride and high,

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the success and all, and then it can all eventually
get blown away. Now that's life sort of lesson, but
it's also a lesson for Iran as well, that attacking
civilians is playing with fire in a dramatic way. There's

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a report that senior Israeli security official from one news
outlet saying that Israel has warned Iran that if it
targets Israeli population centers with ballistic missiles, Israel will target
regime leaders and state infrastructure such as oil refineries.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Keep it to the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
Government level and the military level, not to civilians.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
We'll see what happens is the war continues.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
I talked a little bit about this on Wednesday. Encourage
you to check out my column in the Denver Gazette. Today,
DPS gets clabbered in court claims victory anyway. The nation
of course rocked by protests and riots over ICE immigration enforcement,
but Denver Public Schools is back at it. They have
declared victory by dropping its own lawsuit. The district has

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dropped its own lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security
over concerning the Donald Trump administration's policy concerning immigration enforcement
at or near schools. There was updated guidance that the
Department of Homeland Security had released showing that there weren't

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substantive changes between a memo in twenty twenty one giving
guidance to ICE on enforcement and at January thirty first
Trump administration revision from this year and is claiming credit
for unearthing the truth by going to court to block
the policy and losing. I was there in the courtroom

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in March when they brought this case and Judge Daniel
Domenico came back with a ruling from the bench and said, look,
we could never get to a clear understanding of whether
the one instance of a raid happening near a school.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
See to run apartments this was in.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
February, could be prohibited under the twenty twenty one Biden memo.
In other words, you have not answered the question, DPS
as to whether if we still had the Biden policy
in place, it would have forbidden this particular raid.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Their one example.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Oh my gosh, look at the Trump administration doing this.
How dare they the one example they gave?

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Might not?

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
In fact, it would not have been prohibited under the
previous Biden era guidance. So he did not give DPS
an in johnction and well, just this week Denver Public
Schools going ahead and dropping the lawsuit, saying this was
another significant victory for GPS and school districts nationwide, as

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the Department of Homeland Security admitted in federal court that
the policy had not been changed in a meaningful way
and that schools remained protected as sensitive locations.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
We got them to say what was already the case,
and we won.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
I put out on my ex account formerly Twitter at
saying center saying with an E, not an a center
on Twitter. My pin tweet is for my column, which
you can also access at Denver Gazette dot com. And
I love what the satire account nine millimeters News put
out retweeting my tweet. Even though we lost, we won

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by trying and got a participation ribbon, just like all
our failing students explain spokes versus for Denver Public Schools.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
It's true.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
In reality, what we are seeing here from DPS is
a situation like the kid who flunked his cast, but
he's bragging about finishing first.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
You can't make this stuff up.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
And as I say in the end, the only thing
this case exposed was DPS's desperation to save face and
play hero after one blunder too many.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
Over and over they've had blunders. There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
Check on my column today Denver Gazette. DPS gets clobberd
in court, claims victory. Anyway, final segment coming up. I
was in the courtroom for three days this week of
the Mike Lindell trial downtown at the Federal Courthouse. We've
got the latest on that in my take on what

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happened in those days in the courtroom.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
As we continue, Jimmy and for Mandy Kla.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Jimmy Sangenberger filling in for Mandy Connell today as well
as Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. The great buddy guy right there,
he is still alive and well, almost ninety years old.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Sort of the reigning King of the Blues.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
And that's a tune with the band switch Foot Last
Man Standing, And indeed, here's a question for you, in
a manner of speaking, is michae Lindell sort of the
last man standing? What's going to happen now with his
legal case downtown, a defamation from former brought by former

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Dominion Voting Systems Vice president Eric Komer.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
We'll get to that here in just a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
But there's something relating to this with the stolen election
claims and everything that I do want to get to
from listener text on the Kawai Common Spirit Health Hotline
at five six at five sixty six nine zero. So,
my daughter rest or Soul has been dead for eight
years and received a mail in ballot. I told them

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this is not good. But how much does this occur?
First of all, I'm so sorry for your loss, and indeed,
may your daughter rest in peace. I double checked with
an elections expert to get a verification on this.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
This does happen.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
It's not very often that it happens, but it does happen,
particularly when the county isn't notified from other places like
the state Department of Public health or the Social Security
Administration that there has been a death, then someone can
stay on the voting rolls forever if there is not

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an address change. Now before a bill that was passed
into law. Gosh, so thirteen oh three was back in
twenty thirteen, and that bill before it happened. It used
to be that if you didn't vote, you went into
an inactive status and then could have your registration canceled

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after missing two more general elections. But when thirteen oh
three was passed, it changed it so that you no
longer go inactive if you don't vote, which means you
stay on the voting rolls into perpetuity, which requires something
very important in some circumstances, such as this instance.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Voters and family.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
Members of voters who may pass away. If you move
or if a family member loved one passes away, you
need to notify the county if you don't see that
that has been addressed. There's some level of personal responsibility.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
This is the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
Sometimes when this happens, we just assume, oh, the government
should automatically correct it. They should, but it doesn't mean
that they will. In elections. You can't just say, oh, well,
government will figure that out or oh this means voter
from It means that voters need to be responsible and
people personal responsibility is critical. Do your part to contact

(01:23:15):
the county and let them know, Hey, I've been getting
this ballot for somebody who no longer lives here.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
Please address this and that will be addressed. So very important.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
Just a little bit of a clarification that kind of
ties in with a whirlwind testimony from Mike Lindell and
others in this trial of the century as he has
called it. Mike Lindell, the CEO of My Pillow and
Frank Speech, has been in fact on trial for defamation

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in federal court, and this case is now in the
hands of the jury. I was down there yesterday Monday
and Tuesday, and last week on Tuesday and Wednesday, so
I've basically caught more or less half the trial.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
And it was very.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Fascinating to see a lot of this laid out, especially
the testimony over two plus days of Mike Lindell himself.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
This case brought.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
By Eric Komer, the former vice president of Dominion I
Think for Security and whatnot, and it traces back to
twenty twenty November ninth, when an episode of the Conservative
Daily podcast co hosted by Joe Oatman, went after Eric Komer,

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pointing to mostly private social media posts where Komer blasted
Trump and went all kinds of crazy on politics, and
apparently this was known amongst people on the election community.
In fact, last Wednesday, after the testimony of Eric Kuomer himself,
Matt Crane, former clerk of Arapahoe County, current executive director

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of the Colorado County Clerks Association, who actually joined us
on Thursday about this, he testified and he said, yeah,
this is so well known amongst people in the election
community that when they were in bars together at events
and whatnot, you know, afterwards, when election officials and pete
and vendors might hang out or whatnot, there would be

(01:25:32):
you know, bets made when they were going to get
into a real political disagreement because Matt's a conservative and
Eric Komer is a liberal, and so they'd have these
heated debates and their friends and colleagues would be wondering, Okay,
when is this going to break out? But it's not
good for perception, like he should not have done that.

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But what was being presented was something that said, Eric
Komer is the face of the stolen election narrative. In
February of twenty twenty one, Mike Lindell released his Absolute
Proof documentary, and the Absolute Proof documentary had a snippet

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where it showed a presentation that was being given by
Eric Komer and showed his name on the screen. But
Coomer's name was not mentioned by Lindell, not until something
in was it on Frank's speech? I think on his
platform frank speech in May of twenty twenty one, Lindell
said something and then he wouldn't say it again until
about a year later when Eric Coomer sued him for

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this case for defamation. And that was at an event
on the Capitol steps right here in Denver with Tina
Peters there, Joe Oltman was there and others, and he
was served, and then he.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Went forward fourth and talked.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
About Lindell on a handful excuse me, talked about Kumer
on a handful of other occasions, and at various points
he called Kumer or a trader, said he was treasonous,
called him a criminal, so on and so forth. He
talked about at one point or multiple points, how the
dominion machines would be voted down or would be melted
down and used to make the bars for the jail

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that Kumer would be the first to be behind something
along those lines. And so that brought about this defamation case.
And what's so fascinating when you look at this case,
which again now they just had closing arguments today and
within the last forty five minutes or so, I believe

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the trial ended and went into jury deliberations, blowing through
the lunch break to just get this done with closing
arguments behind schedule, which I'll get to in just a moment.
And it was fascinating to watch Michael Lindell's testimony Monday
and Tuesday, where he indicated he still believes everything that

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he has said about elections, about Eric Coomer, so on
and so forth. He didn't distance himself from those statements,
at times doubling down, but in the past what.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
He had said.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
The big question, one of the big questions, is did
he believe what he said to be true?

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
And that's part of the.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
Case that the Lindell team has put forward is I
believed this was true, and I largely still believe it
to this day. And that's an element, but it's not
the only element.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
There is.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
They have to demonstrate malice, reckless disregard.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
For the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
And here's the thing that I've concluded after a lot
of Lyndell's testimony that yeah, he probably believes a lot
of this stuff, but he didn't do the real due
diligence that was necessary to verify the facts. Now, in
the course of the events today, according to nine News,

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there was a discussion about, you know, some of the
credibility here. They wanted to bring forth Lindell back for
testimony again to recall him as a witness.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
The defense did, and.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
Chris Kuttroff, the lead attorney on the case, said, quote,
they're trying to hold mister Lindell to the standard of
a PhD. He has a high school education. He did
the best he could, with all due respect, he did
not do the best he could. There were a number
of instances demonstrated in the trial where people, even within

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the Stolen Elecgend crowd, it seems, pointed to a lot
of the things that he would being told by sources
like a guy named Dennis Montgomery and others saying don't
trust what they're saying, they don't have it, whatnot, so
on and so forth, and so it seems that he
willfully disregarded a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Of signals for what to trust and what not to trust.
You can't just say he's not a PhD.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
So we got to just let him say and believe
whatever he wants. No, this guy had full access. He
went to the White House. This was something he was
asked to testimony. He went to the White House to
put forward some stuff that this guy, Dennis Montgomery had
provided him because he claimed he needed some kind of
sign off from the White House in order to get

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it publicly available. Something I was not able to understand
what he's talking about with some twenty fifteen act that
supposedly meant he could only look at.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
It in Texas or something.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
And he went to the White House, he presented it,
and guess what, Trump never signed up fun This was
a January of twenty twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
Trump never signed off on this stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
So he continued to keep Dennis Montgomery's name a secret.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
He says, But why why wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
Vetted enough by the Trump administration at that time in
January twenty twenty one, when Trump's still in office, when
Trump was looking for everything he could to say that
the election had been stolen out from under him. Okay,
so truld that be a little bit of a giveaway.

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He talked about how he was worth something in the
order forty fifty million dollars and now he's ten million
dollars in debt because he spends so much money on this,
including apparently buying a two million dollar house for this
Dennis Montgomery guy, a two million dollar house, spending millions

(01:31:58):
of dollars for the China P's case, and so many
other things where he was just raining checks. He funded
organizations in Colorado and elsewhere. I'm sorry, I don't have
sympathy for a guy.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Who goes into debt because he.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Decided he wanted to make this his crusade. But that
was a big point from Mike Lindell, was I spent
all this money, I got into debt because of it,
and I didn't do this to make money, even though
I had all these.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
You know, the my pillow codes.

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
They literally showed text where a day after day during
this so called cyber symposium in August the twenty twenty one,
where Tina Peters was at and actually was the giveaway
for the whole TEENA Peters case that showed that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
Stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
An image of images of hard drives election hard in
Mesa County were all released publicly that they were looking
at it and whatnot, and then it was traced back
to Mesa because of the cyber symposia. Well, during the
time of the cyber symposium, he was getting daily reports
as he continues to do, for top promo codes that

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he was interested in. For how much money those promo
codes were bringing in to my pillow.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Sometimes seemed to add up to like.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
A million dollars a day, or at least well into
the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
Because of the.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
Codes that he was giving to all kinds of different
outlets that he was having interviewed, and people were streaming
the symposium and whether it was live or video in
the future that they was reposted, it would often have
promo codes. Pretty striking when you think about it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:00):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
Lindell's main argument was that he called Eric Coomer a
criminal and a trader because he's a blocker. If I
called you a trader, he said you were blocking evidence
from getting out.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
That evidence would be about the stolen.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
Election, proof that it was stolen, and somehow Eric Komer
was blocking that what pretell did Coomer do just supposedly
block the evidence.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
Well, Lindell claimed.

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
That he made a deal with Newsmax that Lindell just
could not go on Newsmax, so Newsmax wouldn't even have
him on to talk about my Pillow and whatnot. But
Chris Ruddy, the CEO of Newsmas, had a deposition played
where he refuted those claims from Lindell. So on the
one hand, he was saying Coomer was blocking me, that

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makes him a trader, being a criminal. Well, what he
did to my pillow was criminal because he's suing my pillows,
suing Frank Speech, suing Mike Lindell. Those are the three
defendants in this case, My Pillow and Frank Speech, both
being Lindell's companies. And it all had to do with
somehow blocking information from getting out, which doesn't seem to

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be bolstered by the facts in and of itself.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
But let's go beyond that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
Lindell said, this case isn't about This case is not
about a stolen election. I never said that Eric Komer
rigged the election. But what was he blocking? What was
Coomer supposedly blocking evidence of a stolen election from getting out.
So the plaintiff side presented a heck of a lot

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of argument through witnesses drawing to the idea that you know,
or pointing out a lot of things about election integrity
and steps in the system and security of our elections.
For example, Matt Crane testified last week, and then they
had doctor Alex Halderman testify as an expert. Lindell during

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his testimony praised Halderman, saying it was the documentary Killed
Chain on HBO, which came out in March of twenty twenty,
that first turned him onto the idea that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
Election machines, voting machines might be a problem.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
Halderman and Harry Hirsty, another guy who had testified or
at least had a deposition, shared.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
In the trial. Both of them were the key figures.

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
In that documentary, and they testified refuting claims from Lindell.
In fact, the argument came down from Halderman and his
testimony yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
That it was science fiction.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
Mike Lindell's science fiction is that there is evidence that
the election was hacked, and it somehow was It is
somehow Eric Coomer's fault.

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
That is crazy town. That is science fiction. This is
the guy that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:19):
Lindell took inspiration from on voting machines. Well, guess what,
Lindell never put forward any of the supposed thirty five
experts on elections or cybersecurity. None of them testified because
on the one hand, he was claiming, oh my gosh,
I'm being blocked by Eric Coomer, blocked how well from

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sharing stolen election stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
But this isn't about a stolen election this case, this
is about Eric Coomer blocking me.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
I'm sorry, Mike Lindell, but it is about the stolen
election stuff when.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
That's what you're supposedly being blocked from.

Speaker 1 (01:37:59):
But there are a lot of considerations that the jury
has to factor in. Unfortunately, today with closing arguments, I
didn't get to see the jury instructions, which is what
a big part, big part in fact, the case may
hinge on what was decided in a couple things in
jury instructions Number one and number two is really going

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to come down as well to which individuals or which
side is able to weave the most compelling case, that
is to say, the story that the jury could follow
along because it went way long, and it was long,
particularly because the Coumer's side, but also a little bit
because of the side of Lindell way Long in that

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in this trial, and there's a lot of information that
was like a firehoset, So which side was able to
weave together the law and the facts and the witnesses
from nine days of testimony eight days of testimony technically
that the jury heard on a lot of dense stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
That's what it'll come down to.

Speaker 1 (01:38:58):
If we get a jury dict tonight, you will see
me back at it or Monday morning here on Monday,
breaking it down and going through some aspects of the case.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
On Monday, we'll see what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
That is it for me today, but I'm backing for
Mandy Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday next week.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
Tune and then have

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
A great weekend, Happy Father's Day, and as always, May
God bless America.