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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In for Mandy Connell once again today rounding out the week,
and then back in the saddle Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good to be with you on a busy, busy news day.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Iran has been retaliating, launching ballistic missiles at Israel, particularly
Tel Aviv, and that is ongoing. That attack is ongoing,
and while Israel seems to be deflecting most of the missiles,
at least that's what it appears to be the case,
(00:35):
there are some that are getting through. Let's talk about
the retaliatory strike from Iran and what it might be
like and was likely. Like I should say with regards
to this strike from Israel on Iran and the air
aspect and the multifathoded aspect, I mean, you could think
(00:57):
about the various way in which Israel attacked Iran on
the ground, in the air, using drones, what have you.
But who better to dive into this with than Brigadier
General Doug Slocum. His call sign as a fighter pilot.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Adding to the.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Real insight that he can bring was Odi his book
Violent Positivity, A Fighter Pilot's Journey leadership Lessons on Caring
for People. General Doug Slocum of the Air Force and
Air National Guard retired joins me now once again. After
Wednesday he was here with us with Ruben Nevrette, and
I thought we need to do something more, and so
(01:38):
here we are. General Doug Slocum, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
But again I always enjoy talking with you.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Always great to talk with you, my friend. So let's
look big picture. We saw a multifaceted attack for Israel
and Iran, who was clearly a surprise for Iran, certainly
with the size and scope significant leadership damage done.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
How do you look at this from your vantage points?
What happened?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, I mean this is something that they've been talking
about and planning for, you know, probably for a decade
or more. You know, I ran nuclear option and you know,
operating to take that out. What I think is always intriguing.
One is Israel has a very capable military, a very
capable air force as part of that. But it is
(02:27):
always amazing to see how they end up coming about
the element of surprise, especially since people have been talking
about this for a while, and you know, innovation as
we saw what happened in Lebanon with the exploding pages
and things like that. They keep their adversaries on their
heels by coming up with unique and innovative ways to
approach dealing with their adversaries. And I think we're seeing
(02:50):
that same thing play out right now, some of which
we hear about, some of which we'll never hear about.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You have talked about the UDA loop, and I want
I want you to explain a little bit about what
that is and entails and how it applied to this strike.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
You bet Luke is a fighter pilot terminology. Famous fighter
pilot came up with it, and the whole idea is observed, orient, decide,
and act. The name was John Boyd who came up
with this concept, and it's how we went from having
the big, heavy, expensive type of fighter jets to the
(03:27):
quick and agile. He's kind of the mastermind behind what
ended up being the F sixteen. Let's go back to simplicity,
and the idea is that you can look, you can observe,
you can take those observations, figure out what you're going
to do, do it, and act faster than your opponent
can or your adversary can, so that you're always seizing
(03:48):
the initiative. And the easiest analogy I love to throw
out it it's like the no huddle football when the
offense just tries to run fast enough that the defense
is always on the heel and can't quite keep up
with what they're doing and they're never ready. And that's
the whole idea that's behind the Ooda loop, and I
think Israel is probably textbook executing by that philosophy right now.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Expand a little bit, if you would, General Slocum on
that how this multifaceted attack is sort of an implementation
of the Ooda loop concept.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Well, one you touched on the idea that this is
most likely a very inter service type of an operation.
Of course, Israeli defense forces are an integrated organization. But
we think, oh, they're going to do an air strike. Well,
there's clearly elements that are on the ground from what
I've been reading in the open source. I'm sure that
there's a seaborne component of it somehow. Of course, Israel
(04:41):
has some very small capable warships, submarines and the like,
and I'm sure, you know, like I said, there's been
that clandestine part of it that's all put together and
they're working in you know, synchronous, in a synchronous manner
to get the maximum effect. And once again, they've had
a long time to plan, have great intelligence on what
(05:01):
needs to be hit where to make sure they're taking
out the defensive and then being effective with their strikes there.
This is a big deal. This politically, you know, how
are you ever going to back out of it? Once
we started down this road here? So I'm ensure in
their mind is they are going to be effective at
making this happen. And they've been planning, preparing, and they
have very capable military to execute it.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
They had agents on the ground that were able to
unleash drones, they had obviously assets on the ground to
identify targets and so forth. And of course the intelligence
gathering from the Mesade is tremendous. The agents on the
ground there, I mean, it is remarkable to think about
what they're able to do.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And then you have the air aspect, and I.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Want to talk about that for a moment, but give
a little bit of context from your background. Ode again,
that is the call sign of our guest, Brigadier General
retired Doug Slocum. You have or the Israelis for this attack,
and the air aspect used F fifteen's F sixteens and
(06:05):
especially F thirty five. Can you talk a little bit
about both your personal experience as a fighter pilot with
these fighters and also the IDF and sort of what
mindset they bring given the work that you have done
in the past with them.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Well, once again, Israeli Air Force very capable quantitatively and qualitatively.
I think they have the advantage on all fronts here.
You know, the F sixteen and F fifteens are a
little bit older platforms. We would call them legacy or
fourth generation aircraft. The F fifteen, there's versions of that
that are very long range, capable with the conformal fuel
(06:43):
tanks and probably could you know, execute strikes. The thing
about the F fifteen is it can carry very large
bombs or missiles on it externally. Not a stealth type
of a plane. The F sixteen a little bit shorter ranged, agile,
can do a little of everything. And then probably the
workhorse of a lot of this is they're growing F
(07:04):
thirty five fleet that once again has a very long range.
It's fifth generation, low observable as we would call it,
others would call it stealth, and it has that small
weapons bay with very capable weapons that can be carried
inside that bay that you know, you combine all these
different assets along with the other services, and it is
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quite a capable striking force that they have.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And your experience with the F sixties I think you
were telling me you logged four thousand hours in your time.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah, just under four thousand in the different models of
the F sixteen, and so you've had the experience of
the delivering one to Israel, and.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
So in that respect, from your experience, when you're talking
about implementing an operation like this, carrying it out, getting
in the jets, flying out and doing your thing, how
quick does that happen? I mean, when we're thinking about
the the number of things that had to go on
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in a short span of time on the ground and
in the air, don't you have to get general slocum
the timing quite right?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Oh, I'm sure that the timing is very precise. And
all of these airplanes have avionics and capabilities that you
can put a bomb on within a couple of feet
of something within a second. That type of capability we've
had for quite a while, and certainly in the different
weather that sort of thing. They have that capability. So
it really boils down to planning what kind of plan
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do they have, how you execute that plan, and how
do all these different assets work together. I mean, we
could talk all day about an F fifteen or an
F sixteen as an individual aircraft, but you have to
realize it's a team. It's all these different capabilities put together,
and how you use that to get the effect on
target that you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
In this case, one thing I think that is critical
to consider is the fact that Israel had to fly
the planes over some in order to get there, and
that would seem to be including Saudi Arabia. There was
a statement put out early today I believe, or it
was last night from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia saying
(09:12):
that they expressed, quote, a strong condemnation and denunciation of
the blatant Israeli aggressions against the brotherly Islamic Republic of Iran,
which undermine its sovereignty and security and constitute a clear
violation of international laws and norms. While the Kingdom condemns
these heinous attacks, it affirms that the international community and
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the Security Council bear a great responsibility to immediately halt
this aggression. Do you think that they were able to
keep a straight face when they wrote that statement, because
it seems they had to sort of, you know, at
least accept that it was going on and provide a
little bit of an okay, especially when they, as I
understand it, helped to take out some of the drones
(09:53):
in the initial Iran retaliatory strike this morning.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Well yeah, I mean, the Middle East politics are very
complicated on how it works. But you know, just from
the big picture, Saudi Arabian Iran are not allies by
any stretch of the imagination. They're like the big boys
in town. They view things quite different. And add this
areal for the most part, So there is anks between
(10:19):
the countries. There's anks between their primary religions sect in
each of the countries, between the Sunni and Shia. And
you know, when you look at Israel and how to
get to Iran, you've got Jordan, Iraq, Syria, potentially Kuwait
and possibly Saudi Arabian all opinion on flight paths. So
how does this all work? That would be a very
(10:41):
interesting question, and in the open source so certainly you
don't see anything addressing that specifically general.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Doug Slocum.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
When we look at the Middle East, one of the
things I think is really striking is about how I mean,
during the first Trump administration, we had the Abraham Accords
and there was several Golf Arab countries that signed on
to peace with Israel, which they could not have done
in real terms if Saudi Arabia, if the Kingdom did
not basically say it's okay. We know about different back
(11:11):
channel conversations that have been had, and you know, it's
as about as good as it could ever imagine to
be at this point between Israel and Saudi Arabia that
do not have formal relations that I've interviewed representatives from
the Kingdom before and they're like, we do not have,
you know, relations with Israel. That's not a thing, and
(11:32):
yes they don't officially. But there has been a shift,
and that shift over the recent years has particularly been
over concern about Iran and the potential threat of Iran
with nuclear weapons, as well as the other actions that
Iran takes as far as a leading sponsor of terrorism
and in fact a proxy war in Yemen against Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
There you go, you hit the nail on the head there,
because Iran supporting the Husis in Yemen, and of course
Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates were involved on
the other side there, So yes, there was an active
proxy war against Saudi Arabia by Iran in that particular case. So,
you know, it just adds to the fact that there's
not a lot of love loss. I loved when you
(12:16):
were talking to use the phrase there's not formal relationships
between the countries, and I wrote that on my notepad
and circled it right here. Yep, there's not formal, you know, diplomatically.
You know, for the rest of the world, that just
wouldn't be palatable. Do they probably have pretty good communication?
I'm guessing that they do.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Again, General Doug Slocum joining us one listener text I'm
looking for it because it came in earlier.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Will this lead to a revolution in Iran?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Forty six years of the malas is enough that's coming
in by the KOA Common Spirit health text line at
five six six nine zero. What do you think could
be the potential for something broader inside of Iran? If
there is any as far as being able to have
the Iranian people overthrow the brutal regime.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Well, you know that's it's going to be a little
bit of a mixed political messaging with it. Anytime the
country is attacked from the outside, it actually has a
tendency to bring the country together. So I think in
the short term, thinking that that's going to have an
effect that probably is not in the planning aspects at all.
I'm guessing in the long run with the country, the
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citizens maybe be upset that their country is so vulnerable
if they've taken the path that they have. It's kind
of hard to tell. I mean, keep it in mind,
at one point I ran the show. They were great
allies of Ioways. That's why they have fours and f
fourteen's and all as part of their military and all.
So there's there's a history there. At the same time,
(13:46):
the fact that this is an open aggressive action against
the country. You know, President Trump talked about maybe this
will get the nuclear agreements moving, you know, if you
lose most of the capabilities, as long as you get
set back, Yeah, it might be a motivator on that front.
But there's going to be that we want to save
safe aspect of it. That's going to be primary at
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this point. And that's just just like anybody else, even
more so in the Middle East. If somebody gets punched,
they're going to want to punch back, and that's what
we're seeing play out right now.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Another interesting question, General Odi, Have the Iranian Air Force
even engaged the IDF? And I think this is more
a historical question because that didn't really happen in this case.
Are you aware of anything along those lines having happened
in the past.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
No, any direct you need, Even what the last strike
that Israel did, there was no talk that I saw
anywhere about the Iranian Air Force. Keep it in mind
that most of their aircraft are third generation or so
older airplanes. Even x us a handful of jets that
came from Iraq. They're starting to potentially get some aircraft
(14:54):
from Russia. Their air capability is not anywhere I'm close
to part with Israel, and they're not in position to
be able to challenge them in the air. One B one.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
We've just got a few minutes left with the General Slocome.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Let's talk for a moment about where we go from here.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
In your view in the coming days and weeks, months,
does this escalate into a conflict that the United States
has to get directly engaged in because we have seen
now this morning support tacitly from President Trump saying, you know,
I gave Iran sixty days.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
This was the sixty first day, and Israel did it.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
And you know, but Trump is now saying, I think
that this will get us a greater opportunity now to
actually have Iran sign a deal. What do you think
might happen next?
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Well, that's going to be interesting to see. Of course,
the role of the United States, you know, publicly were
saying we weren't involved with the strike. Israel by itself
standing alone, of course, is very dependent on the US
for aid and for technology and all that they use
for their military. So certainly they're not going to be acting,
at least without let's call it heav you call consultations
(16:01):
with the United States on what's going on. You know,
I believe President Trump stated that he was aware that
this was going to happen. And you know what's the
results if the missile strikes continue? Are we going to
put our aegus, our Bird class destroyers are in cruisers
off the coast of Israel to help protect the country
like we had done a couple of months ago. A
(16:22):
lot of those questions are still up in the air.
You know, what is the resolve of the United States.
I think it's in everybody's interest to try and get
to a peaceful solution at this point. Clearly Israel thought
that a nuclear armed Iran was not in the best
interest and was a threat to their further existence, and
that's why they took the risk to do what they're
doing right now.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
And yeah, I wonder if as we look ahead for Israel,
if they view because I actually I will take a
step back. This is the seventh front in the war
that Israel is engaged against Iran or its proxies.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Remember Hamas is.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
A proxy Hasblah is basically Iran, and you have, of course,
as we were just talking about the war in the
proxy war between the Hutis and the government in Yemen,
with the UTIs being funded and sponsored by Iran and.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
So forth, how does that aspect of.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
A multi front war fit into where the next steps
may go from Israel's vantage point, because it's not just
that they are against Iran. In Iran, you have these
other factors at play.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Well. Israel has been citing multiple front wars, you know, consistently.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Since it's throughout its existence, right it has, and.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
You know, it's a very small country. There's not a
lot of you know, you can't do a whole lot
of retreating or anything when a country that's you know,
bat size that Israel is very small, but once again
a very capable country that understands their threats that they
have and how to deal with them diplomatically and military.
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You have to throw all that in together on how
they're dealing with this.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Anything else you think folks should be considering or aware
of as we look at the ongoing events from Israel.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
And Iran, Well, no, I mean right now would be
just paying attention to what is going on, what are
the future steps going to be. You and I had
talked before we had this discussion of what was Iran's reaction,
and since we talked and then came onto the air today,
of course they are reacting as we speak right now
(18:31):
with the ballistic missiles attacks going on in Israel. Are
there surprises that Iran has in store a capability that
maybe we're not aware of or Israel's prepared for. So
it is a precarious situation over there. Let's all just
pray for peace. I mean, I don't think anybody in
the military wants war, but you know, building nuclear weapons,
(18:52):
threatening neighbors, having proxy wars isn't exactly following a peace
process either. So let's hope that this ends up the
way that we want it, with a peaceful solution and
the minimal loss of.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Life and actually real quick In terms of Iran's response,
General Slocum, when we see the kind of devastation that
Iran has faced with regards to top military leadership, including
the head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard being taken out,
what does that What are some the implications for that
to Iran's response, Well.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
You're going to take key players out of the chain
of command, is going to slow the response. It's going
to bring questions into control of certain military elements. Potentially,
just like if we were to remove certain things out
of the military chain of command, how would we react,
would slow it down? And it sounds like they were
(19:48):
able to get a lot of these leaders in the
same room at the same time and then strike that
particular area, so that apparently the going for the head
of the snake from the leadership perspective has been very effective.
Is going to impact Iran. They'll recover after a while,
but it's going to take a little bit of time.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
We will be watching with great interest and indeed very
prayerfully as well. General Doug Slocum call sign Odie. Really
appreciate your time and analysis. Thanks for joining us again
for the second time this week.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Jimmy, always great to talk with you. I hope you
have a wonderful weekend.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Thank you, sir, you as well, Happy Father's Day to you.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
There you go once again, Brady, your General Doug Slocum
joining us here on the program. Jimmy Sangenberger filling in
for Mandy Connell and Koa keep it here.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Well, we've got lots more on the other side. Don't
go anywhere.
In for Mandy Connell once again today rounding out the week,
and then back in the saddle Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good to be with you on a busy, busy news day.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Iran has been retaliating, launching ballistic missiles at Israel, particularly
Tel Aviv, and that is ongoing. That attack is ongoing,
and while Israel seems to be deflecting most of the missiles,
at least that's what it appears to be the case,
(00:35):
there are some that are getting through. Let's talk about
the retaliatory strike from Iran and what it might be
like and was likely. Like I should say with regards
to this strike from Israel on Iran and the air
aspect and the multifathoded aspect, I mean, you could think
(00:57):
about the various way in which Israel attacked Iran on
the ground, in the air, using drones, what have you.
But who better to dive into this with than Brigadier
General Doug Slocum. His call sign as a fighter pilot.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Adding to the.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Real insight that he can bring was Odi his book
Violent Positivity, A Fighter Pilot's Journey leadership Lessons on Caring
for People. General Doug Slocum of the Air Force and
Air National Guard retired joins me now once again. After
Wednesday he was here with us with Ruben Nevrette, and
I thought we need to do something more, and so
(01:38):
here we are. General Doug Slocum, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
But again I always enjoy talking with you.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Always great to talk with you, my friend. So let's
look big picture. We saw a multifaceted attack for Israel
and Iran, who was clearly a surprise for Iran, certainly
with the size and scope significant leadership damage done.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
How do you look at this from your vantage points?
What happened?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, I mean this is something that they've been talking
about and planning for, you know, probably for a decade
or more. You know, I ran nuclear option and you know,
operating to take that out. What I think is always intriguing.
One is Israel has a very capable military, a very
capable air force as part of that. But it is
(02:27):
always amazing to see how they end up coming about
the element of surprise, especially since people have been talking
about this for a while, and you know, innovation as
we saw what happened in Lebanon with the exploding pages
and things like that. They keep their adversaries on their
heels by coming up with unique and innovative ways to
approach dealing with their adversaries. And I think we're seeing
(02:50):
that same thing play out right now, some of which
we hear about, some of which we'll never hear about.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You have talked about the UDA loop, and I want
I want you to explain a little bit about what
that is and entails and how it applied to this strike.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
You bet Luke is a fighter pilot terminology. Famous fighter
pilot came up with it, and the whole idea is observed, orient, decide,
and act. The name was John Boyd who came up
with this concept, and it's how we went from having
the big, heavy, expensive type of fighter jets to the
(03:27):
quick and agile. He's kind of the mastermind behind what
ended up being the F sixteen. Let's go back to simplicity,
and the idea is that you can look, you can observe,
you can take those observations, figure out what you're going
to do, do it, and act faster than your opponent
can or your adversary can, so that you're always seizing
(03:48):
the initiative. And the easiest analogy I love to throw
out it it's like the no huddle football when the
offense just tries to run fast enough that the defense
is always on the heel and can't quite keep up
with what they're doing and they're never ready. And that's
the whole idea that's behind the Ooda loop, and I
think Israel is probably textbook executing by that philosophy right now.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Expand a little bit, if you would, General Slocum on
that how this multifaceted attack is sort of an implementation
of the Ooda loop concept.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Well, one you touched on the idea that this is
most likely a very inter service type of an operation.
Of course, Israeli defense forces are an integrated organization. But
we think, oh, they're going to do an air strike. Well,
there's clearly elements that are on the ground from what
I've been reading in the open source. I'm sure that
there's a seaborne component of it somehow. Of course, Israel
(04:41):
has some very small capable warships, submarines and the like,
and I'm sure, you know, like I said, there's been
that clandestine part of it that's all put together and
they're working in you know, synchronous, in a synchronous manner
to get the maximum effect. And once again, they've had
a long time to plan, have great intelligence on what
(05:01):
needs to be hit where to make sure they're taking
out the defensive and then being effective with their strikes there.
This is a big deal. This politically, you know, how
are you ever going to back out of it? Once
we started down this road here? So I'm ensure in
their mind is they are going to be effective at
making this happen. And they've been planning, preparing, and they
have very capable military to execute it.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
They had agents on the ground that were able to
unleash drones, they had obviously assets on the ground to
identify targets and so forth. And of course the intelligence
gathering from the Mesade is tremendous. The agents on the
ground there, I mean, it is remarkable to think about
what they're able to do.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And then you have the air aspect, and I.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Want to talk about that for a moment, but give
a little bit of context from your background. Ode again,
that is the call sign of our guest, Brigadier General
retired Doug Slocum. You have or the Israelis for this attack,
and the air aspect used F fifteen's F sixteens and
(06:05):
especially F thirty five. Can you talk a little bit
about both your personal experience as a fighter pilot with
these fighters and also the IDF and sort of what
mindset they bring given the work that you have done
in the past with them.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Well, once again, Israeli Air Force very capable quantitatively and qualitatively.
I think they have the advantage on all fronts here.
You know, the F sixteen and F fifteens are a
little bit older platforms. We would call them legacy or
fourth generation aircraft. The F fifteen, there's versions of that
that are very long range, capable with the conformal fuel
(06:43):
tanks and probably could you know, execute strikes. The thing
about the F fifteen is it can carry very large
bombs or missiles on it externally. Not a stealth type
of a plane. The F sixteen a little bit shorter ranged, agile,
can do a little of everything. And then probably the
workhorse of a lot of this is they're growing F
(07:04):
thirty five fleet that once again has a very long range.
It's fifth generation, low observable as we would call it,
others would call it stealth, and it has that small
weapons bay with very capable weapons that can be carried
inside that bay that you know, you combine all these
different assets along with the other services, and it is
(07:25):
quite a capable striking force that they have.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And your experience with the F sixties I think you
were telling me you logged four thousand hours in your time.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah, just under four thousand in the different models of
the F sixteen, and so you've had the experience of
the delivering one to Israel, and.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
So in that respect, from your experience, when you're talking
about implementing an operation like this, carrying it out, getting
in the jets, flying out and doing your thing, how
quick does that happen? I mean, when we're thinking about
the the number of things that had to go on
(08:03):
in a short span of time on the ground and
in the air, don't you have to get general slocum
the timing quite right?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Oh, I'm sure that the timing is very precise. And
all of these airplanes have avionics and capabilities that you
can put a bomb on within a couple of feet
of something within a second. That type of capability we've
had for quite a while, and certainly in the different
weather that sort of thing. They have that capability. So
it really boils down to planning what kind of plan
(08:32):
do they have, how you execute that plan, and how
do all these different assets work together. I mean, we
could talk all day about an F fifteen or an
F sixteen as an individual aircraft, but you have to
realize it's a team. It's all these different capabilities put together,
and how you use that to get the effect on
target that you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
In this case, one thing I think that is critical
to consider is the fact that Israel had to fly
the planes over some in order to get there, and
that would seem to be including Saudi Arabia. There was
a statement put out early today I believe, or it
was last night from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia saying
(09:12):
that they expressed, quote, a strong condemnation and denunciation of
the blatant Israeli aggressions against the brotherly Islamic Republic of Iran,
which undermine its sovereignty and security and constitute a clear
violation of international laws and norms. While the Kingdom condemns
these heinous attacks, it affirms that the international community and
(09:32):
the Security Council bear a great responsibility to immediately halt
this aggression. Do you think that they were able to
keep a straight face when they wrote that statement, because
it seems they had to sort of, you know, at
least accept that it was going on and provide a
little bit of an okay, especially when they, as I
understand it, helped to take out some of the drones
(09:53):
in the initial Iran retaliatory strike this morning.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Well yeah, I mean, the Middle East politics are very
complicated on how it works. But you know, just from
the big picture, Saudi Arabian Iran are not allies by
any stretch of the imagination. They're like the big boys
in town. They view things quite different. And add this
areal for the most part, So there is anks between
(10:19):
the countries. There's anks between their primary religions sect in
each of the countries, between the Sunni and Shia. And
you know, when you look at Israel and how to
get to Iran, you've got Jordan, Iraq, Syria, potentially Kuwait
and possibly Saudi Arabian all opinion on flight paths. So
how does this all work? That would be a very
(10:41):
interesting question, and in the open source so certainly you
don't see anything addressing that specifically general.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Doug Slocum.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
When we look at the Middle East, one of the
things I think is really striking is about how I mean,
during the first Trump administration, we had the Abraham Accords
and there was several Golf Arab countries that signed on
to peace with Israel, which they could not have done
in real terms if Saudi Arabia, if the Kingdom did
not basically say it's okay. We know about different back
(11:11):
channel conversations that have been had, and you know, it's
as about as good as it could ever imagine to
be at this point between Israel and Saudi Arabia that
do not have formal relations that I've interviewed representatives from
the Kingdom before and they're like, we do not have,
you know, relations with Israel. That's not a thing, and
(11:32):
yes they don't officially. But there has been a shift,
and that shift over the recent years has particularly been
over concern about Iran and the potential threat of Iran
with nuclear weapons, as well as the other actions that
Iran takes as far as a leading sponsor of terrorism
and in fact a proxy war in Yemen against Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
There you go, you hit the nail on the head there,
because Iran supporting the Husis in Yemen, and of course
Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates were involved on
the other side there, So yes, there was an active
proxy war against Saudi Arabia by Iran in that particular case. So,
you know, it just adds to the fact that there's
not a lot of love loss. I loved when you
(12:16):
were talking to use the phrase there's not formal relationships
between the countries, and I wrote that on my notepad
and circled it right here. Yep, there's not formal, you know, diplomatically.
You know, for the rest of the world, that just
wouldn't be palatable. Do they probably have pretty good communication?
I'm guessing that they do.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Again, General Doug Slocum joining us one listener text I'm
looking for it because it came in earlier.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Will this lead to a revolution in Iran?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Forty six years of the malas is enough that's coming
in by the KOA Common Spirit health text line at
five six six nine zero. What do you think could
be the potential for something broader inside of Iran? If
there is any as far as being able to have
the Iranian people overthrow the brutal regime.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Well, you know that's it's going to be a little
bit of a mixed political messaging with it. Anytime the
country is attacked from the outside, it actually has a
tendency to bring the country together. So I think in
the short term, thinking that that's going to have an
effect that probably is not in the planning aspects at all.
I'm guessing in the long run with the country, the
(13:26):
citizens maybe be upset that their country is so vulnerable
if they've taken the path that they have. It's kind
of hard to tell. I mean, keep it in mind,
at one point I ran the show. They were great
allies of Ioways. That's why they have fours and f
fourteen's and all as part of their military and all.
So there's there's a history there. At the same time,
(13:46):
the fact that this is an open aggressive action against
the country. You know, President Trump talked about maybe this
will get the nuclear agreements moving, you know, if you
lose most of the capabilities, as long as you get
set back, Yeah, it might be a motivator on that front.
But there's going to be that we want to save
safe aspect of it. That's going to be primary at
(14:06):
this point. And that's just just like anybody else, even
more so in the Middle East. If somebody gets punched,
they're going to want to punch back, and that's what
we're seeing play out right now.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Another interesting question, General Odi, Have the Iranian Air Force
even engaged the IDF? And I think this is more
a historical question because that didn't really happen in this case.
Are you aware of anything along those lines having happened
in the past.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
No, any direct you need, Even what the last strike
that Israel did, there was no talk that I saw
anywhere about the Iranian Air Force. Keep it in mind
that most of their aircraft are third generation or so
older airplanes. Even x us a handful of jets that
came from Iraq. They're starting to potentially get some aircraft
(14:54):
from Russia. Their air capability is not anywhere I'm close
to part with Israel, and they're not in position to
be able to challenge them in the air. One B one.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
We've just got a few minutes left with the General Slocome.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Let's talk for a moment about where we go from here.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
In your view in the coming days and weeks, months,
does this escalate into a conflict that the United States
has to get directly engaged in because we have seen
now this morning support tacitly from President Trump saying, you know,
I gave Iran sixty days.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
This was the sixty first day, and Israel did it.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
And you know, but Trump is now saying, I think
that this will get us a greater opportunity now to
actually have Iran sign a deal. What do you think
might happen next?
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Well, that's going to be interesting to see. Of course,
the role of the United States, you know, publicly were
saying we weren't involved with the strike. Israel by itself
standing alone, of course, is very dependent on the US
for aid and for technology and all that they use
for their military. So certainly they're not going to be acting,
at least without let's call it heav you call consultations
(16:01):
with the United States on what's going on. You know,
I believe President Trump stated that he was aware that
this was going to happen. And you know what's the
results if the missile strikes continue? Are we going to
put our aegus, our Bird class destroyers are in cruisers
off the coast of Israel to help protect the country
like we had done a couple of months ago. A
(16:22):
lot of those questions are still up in the air.
You know, what is the resolve of the United States.
I think it's in everybody's interest to try and get
to a peaceful solution at this point. Clearly Israel thought
that a nuclear armed Iran was not in the best
interest and was a threat to their further existence, and
that's why they took the risk to do what they're
doing right now.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
And yeah, I wonder if as we look ahead for Israel,
if they view because I actually I will take a
step back. This is the seventh front in the war
that Israel is engaged against Iran or its proxies.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Remember Hamas is.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
A proxy Hasblah is basically Iran, and you have, of course,
as we were just talking about the war in the
proxy war between the Hutis and the government in Yemen,
with the UTIs being funded and sponsored by Iran and.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
So forth, how does that aspect of.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
A multi front war fit into where the next steps
may go from Israel's vantage point, because it's not just
that they are against Iran. In Iran, you have these
other factors at play.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Well. Israel has been citing multiple front wars, you know, consistently.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Since it's throughout its existence, right it has, and.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
You know, it's a very small country. There's not a
lot of you know, you can't do a whole lot
of retreating or anything when a country that's you know,
bat size that Israel is very small, but once again
a very capable country that understands their threats that they
have and how to deal with them diplomatically and military.
(18:00):
You have to throw all that in together on how
they're dealing with this.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Anything else you think folks should be considering or aware
of as we look at the ongoing events from Israel.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
And Iran, Well, no, I mean right now would be
just paying attention to what is going on, what are
the future steps going to be. You and I had
talked before we had this discussion of what was Iran's reaction,
and since we talked and then came onto the air today,
of course they are reacting as we speak right now
(18:31):
with the ballistic missiles attacks going on in Israel. Are
there surprises that Iran has in store a capability that
maybe we're not aware of or Israel's prepared for. So
it is a precarious situation over there. Let's all just
pray for peace. I mean, I don't think anybody in
the military wants war, but you know, building nuclear weapons,
(18:52):
threatening neighbors, having proxy wars isn't exactly following a peace
process either. So let's hope that this ends up the
way that we want it, with a peaceful solution and
the minimal loss of.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Life and actually real quick In terms of Iran's response,
General Slocum, when we see the kind of devastation that
Iran has faced with regards to top military leadership, including
the head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard being taken out,
what does that What are some the implications for that
to Iran's response, Well.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
You're going to take key players out of the chain
of command, is going to slow the response. It's going
to bring questions into control of certain military elements. Potentially,
just like if we were to remove certain things out
of the military chain of command, how would we react,
would slow it down? And it sounds like they were
(19:48):
able to get a lot of these leaders in the
same room at the same time and then strike that
particular area, so that apparently the going for the head
of the snake from the leadership perspective has been very effective.
Is going to impact Iran. They'll recover after a while,
but it's going to take a little bit of time.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
We will be watching with great interest and indeed very
prayerfully as well. General Doug Slocum call sign Odie. Really
appreciate your time and analysis. Thanks for joining us again
for the second time this week.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Jimmy, always great to talk with you. I hope you
have a wonderful weekend.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Thank you, sir, you as well, Happy Father's Day to you.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
There you go once again, Brady, your General Doug Slocum
joining us here on the program. Jimmy Sangenberger filling in
for Mandy Connell and Koa keep it here.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Well, we've got lots more on the other side. Don't
go anywhere.
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