08-08-24 FULL SHOW - Ross & Mandy from Training Camp; Quantum Error Correction

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the most unexpected thing. Hi in Denver expected
below seventy degrees.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I much prefer this than doing radio on the sun,
you know what I mean? This is for me. Hey,
Rod and I were secretly saying this yesterday. We're ready
for the end of summer. We've had enough. I try
not to complain about it because sometimes I complain in
the winter and then I'm like, don't be that person. Yeah,
but yeah, well, the problem doesn't reprieve.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
The problem is, as you know, having been here for
a while now, is that autumn and sometimes spring last
about twenty seven seconds, correct, right, we.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Go from summer to winter. So when I get to.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Look at the leaves, oh wait, the snow knocked them
off right.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Okay, So when I get to complaining about ninety seven degrees,
I got to remind myself that the alternative is not
really sixty seven months of the time.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
It's seventeen. Actually.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Anyway, it is pleasant though it's damp right now. It
is definitely damp. It's like Florida humidity right now.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Remember when we were talking about the words that people
to hear it, it's really really voice.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
And by the way, if you're if you're one of
those people who's gonna do your hair. They go out
to trading camp. Just don't just slap ahead on a day.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
That's nuts, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
I want to on a you hear the story about
the Taylor Swift concert they.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Did, and I have to say I'm not particularly surprised,
because if I'm a terrorist and I'm trying to reak havoc,
that is exactly what I do. I set off some
kind of attack at a place full of civilians where
they can't get out easily, right, you know. I mean,
we have all those escape plans at the stadium, and
everybody knows how to do it. But when you have

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eighty thousand fans panicking at the same time, and the
Taylor Swift demographic tends to be women between the ages
of fourteen and twenty five for the for the core
audience there, these are not well prepared people in a disaster, right,
you know, it's very frightening to think about.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
That for those who don't know what we're talking about here.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
So there were news broke yesterday that a couple of
young men in Austria, and I guess they were born
in Austria, but I think their parents are from locations
near there where they're they're.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Probably Muslim, but they're not telling us right now.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Which means they are, because they were they weren't. These
were like two kids from Belgium, you know, from from
Vienna that went to good schools and had parents that
were just you know, they would they would.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
So so what we learned yesterday is a couple of
these these young people were arrested for planning an attack
on the Taylor Swift concert. And then the first thing
was the show will go on, and then the next
thing was they're canceling them. And I'm gonna share one
other thing with you, because then I have a question
for you because you've been to a.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Taylor Swift concert.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
And this is more stuff that I didn't know that
I just learned this morning.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
And this is from the New York Post.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
The teen suspects arrested for plotting an ICIS style terror
attack at one of Taylor Swift's Austrian concerts had planned
to drive a bomb filled car in to the crowd
to kill as many as possible, and had reportedly just
been hired by the venue to work security.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Oh my gosh, So both of those things are things
I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
That is absolutely horrifying.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
I have two friends in Austria who are going to
go to one of those shows.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
They actually are Austrian.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
They just moved here months ago, right, and they are
back home visiting and are go, we're going to go
to one of those concerts. And they said, because I
was asking him about this yesterday, they had heard about
an ongoing police operation an hour away from Vienna, nothing crazy,
but then they had heard about the press conference that
had laid it all out. And then obviously now that
these shows aren't canceled, but I mean they're they're kind
of like, moment.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Are you in touch with them by texts? I am,
all right, So I want you to ask them something.
And I'm going to ask Mandy the same thing. But
knowing what they know now about what the threat was,
if the shows hadn't been canceled, would they still go?

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Okay, we'll ask me. That's what I want to know.
And that's my question for you.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
If you now, if no, I wouldn't have gone. And
and and it's just because I'm a realist about what
can happen, and though, well let me think about that
for a second. Okay, no, I thought about it for
a second. There's no way Chuck would allow me or
his daughter to go to that. There's a zero percent
chance and any one of those people who forbids me

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to do stuff right clear right, So but he would
he would have said, there is no chance you're taking
my child into a situation that that this could happen.
But at the same time, when we went to the
r n C, when when Arod and I were at
the RNC, it was right after the Trump assassination attempt,
everything was just kind of weird, and I had absolutely
no concerns going there, even though you kind of felt like, well,

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something could happen, But again, that was an incredibly tight security,
like that what that guy was planning could never have
happened at the RNC, and I'm guessing could never happen
at the DNC.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
So if would this impact you're thinking about going to
a Taylor Swift concert in Denver in the future or
doesn't really have that close connection, you know, I mean,
you can't.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Live your life that way, right, It's like you could.
It's kind of like saying, you know, do you get
in your car every day and think about the fact
you could die in a car accident that day, of course,
not because you would cease to function, right. You have
to weigh these options and make decisions, But you still
have to live your life, and you have to assume
that if there's any kind of active threat, then then
someone would let us know. But I also, I mean ross,

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I don't walk around oblivious to my surroundings. This is
one of the things having a military husband does for you.
And I am constantly head on a swivel in any
kind of crowd situation. I'm constantly assessing what's going on
around me. I'm looking at people. I hope I would
have the wherewithal if possible, to get out of the
way or see anything that looked amiss and walk in
the other direction. Right. But ultimately, I'm also a believer,

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and I think if it's my time, it's my time, right.
I mean, I don't want to die doing something stupid
like robbing a bank. But at the same time, you've
got to live your life.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Steve asked on the text line if they caught the guys,
why are they canceling the show?

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Is the threat not over? And I think I think
the answer to that.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Is you don't really know these exactly two guys were
apparently radicalized online. You don't know who else would be.
You don't know if someone else is going to try
to be a copycat. After hearing about these guys be arrested,
and also from from Taylor Swift's perspective, no.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Way, no way, Yeah I would. I would never put
my fans at risk if I had pans of that. Dude, like, hey,
all all four of you out there, I want you
to I would put my big arms around you, and
I just you don't want to put people in danger
over a concert, you know.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
So all right you can you can tell us what
you what you got there? A Rod?

Speaker 1 (06:42):
So a Rod is texting with his friends in Austria
who were going to go to the concert.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
And yes, he was worry about time difference. At think
it's five pm there right now.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Yeah, they they they would have gone, they said, they said,
of course, yeah, they would have still gone, which does
which doesn't necessarily surprise me. They're they're they're there, they
live their life. And like Manny was saying that, yeah,
I bet there's also.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
A difference between a twenty something year old person and
however old you are.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Mandy A thirty something year old person.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I think with a kid, Oh bless you, that's horrible. No,
I mean being going to Israel was very instructive in
this sense. Israelis are always under the threat of attack
of something, right from the Intifada where people were walking
into pizza parlors and getting on buses and blowing themselves up,
to rockets being fired on a daily basis, from Hamas
and Hezbollah. I mean, every day this happens, and yet

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they go about their lives, their children play outside, they
have what wayoud's normal life with this threat of imminent
danger hanging over their heads every day. So it kind
of gives you a perspective. It's like, Okay, how how
am I going to get freaked out and scared and
stay in my home for the rest of my life
when these people are going about their business and they

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just know where the closest bomb shelter is. It's just
a different mentality.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
Followed up and said something some of what you're just
say about the RNC about security was even more so.
They said the same thing, more secure an ever at
a concert, I would feel quite.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Safe, right, So yeah, there you go, And I think
the difference conceptually like Israel versus this is that's a permanent,
macro unspecified threat and this is a very specific threat.
And they even knew the people who were there and
all this stuff. All right, we're gonna take a quick
break here and when we come back, we're going to
talk about well, probably whatever made he wants to talk about.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
But this is your But I also have a question.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
For you for for people who like scratch their names
in famous ancient things, he's not why should the penalty be.
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Speaker 3 (08:47):
The public is lining up on the berm over there.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
It's an overcast, moist day, dark.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
And gloomy moist morning here at Brocos Training Camp. To
break quite the sweat to date.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Oh my god, love humidity.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
You know we should get the AI David Attenborough Tory.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Street on his upper lips. Choose him a new one.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
All right, Mandy and I both I think, had the
same reaction to this story. I'll read you the headline.
This from a British website, The Daily Mail. British tourist
scrawls his and his two daughters initials on the walls
of Pompeii's World Heritage Site House of the Vestal Virgin's Fresco,
and is ordered to pay for restoration work.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
To me, that's not nearly a big enough penalty.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
I believe the restoration work should happen like this, like
like he has Okay, so he has to pay, say
the restoration is twenty thousand dollars because it'll be really
really expensive to fix this. Like in between, he has
to put it down one thousand dollars, then he gets
punched in the face, and then he puts down a
thousand dollars, then he gets punched in the groin. Okay,
so just back and forth, head head growing, head growing,
head growing, for a total of whatever thousands you know

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that for me would be appropriate.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
I was thinking cut off a finger.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
This is what I don't get, Like, who thinks of
doing that? Who thinks, oh, this giant, ancient, ancient, you know,
world Heritage site that people are standing in line and
the heat to come in and see you know what
it's missing. It's missing my initials carved into that's what
it's missing. It's like, what who does that? That's the thing.
What kind of civilization are we living in? That? That's okay?

Speaker 3 (10:28):
He said something.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
I don't have it in front of me, but he
said something when he was asked about it, like, well,
we just kind of wanted proof that we were there,
Like we wanted the world to know we were there.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Like, well the world a doesn't care, Yeah, like truly
does not care. Now we do cut off.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
A finger and nail it to the wall there and
then everybody will.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
I don't know these there are a lot of countries
out there that don't have our constitution and they could
do things we wouldn't be allowed to do here.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
And I'm not being hyperbolic, like.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
We need to really dissuade people from doing this stuff.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Did you see the story? And I'm you know, I'm
obsessed with the Olympics. I've watched it all. And Michael
Phelps came out a couple days ago and said, you know,
if you you should get banned from competition for life.
If you got caught doping. It just like one and done.
You don't get a second chance to come back from that.
Similar like like if you're going to vandalize something, you
need to pay the consequences, and a finger might be

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where to start. Which finger I mean as index because
that really then you can't do the little things. So
what about middle fingers? So they can't ever give that
and then you just look like you're like you're doing
this spock thing all the time.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Right, I'd be okay with anything. They can even choose
the finger for the first offense.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
No, because if they lose the pinky, no big deal.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, but everyone will not.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
It's like a scarlet letter, like you're branded for the
rest of your life, you know.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
And I think we should missing a finger. I'm not
sure this is the best way to go. They're legitimate,
like honorable ways to lose a finger in real life.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Not that many people have a finger blown off in war.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Though, yeah, you know, I mean it sounds it sounds cool,
but yeah, you got there. Homer Simpson hand on that hand,
Oh god, Oh yeah, no, I do.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Homer Simpson is he's got.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Four fingers, Mickey Mouse four fingers.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Right, I should have known.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
That I will say that the part about like why
in the world would someone think.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
That was okay?

Speaker 2 (12:16):
But that this is just me being persnickety. Right, In
some countries graffiti is honestly considered art, genuinely considered art.
But when I go to those countries, I'm very judging
about it because some of it's ugly, Like if it's
gonna if you're gonna say graffiti is art, and then
I think culturally, what made that? What was the change there? Like,
what was what's different there than it is here when

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it comes to graffiti, And there's some beautiful graffiti out there,
there's some works of art out there, but for the
most part, graffiti is just stupid people's initials.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Right that there is some very artistic graffiti, Like when
I lived in Chicago, there are all these train yards
there's huge and all these box cars come through that
have really kind of gorgeous straffiti on them.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
But this is POMPEII. This is this is seems.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Old the same as the people spray painting the rocks
and these utiful trails.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
And these are British people.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
These aren't like, you know, taggers from some other culture anyway,
All Right, that.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Just baffles me, absolutely baffles.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
So you're not with me though on cutting off a finger.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
You know, if you picked the I'm serious, If you
let them pick the pinky, then no big deal.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
You can cover that.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
No, people don't even notice.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Okay, But if you go with the middle.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Finger, then you've crippled them from insulting other people in
a lot of society. And you've got the spock finger
thing going on where you know, you're doing the vulcan
haands sign there. You know, I think you have to you,
but you can't take the thumb because then you've rendered
them functionally, you know, disabled from where they started. You
just want them to be irritated.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, I like it. Mandy takes it to the next level.
You can make things said five six six nine zero
and tell us what you think the proper punishment is.
When we come back, we still have a ton of
stuff to talk about. I'm telling you what's going on
in political betting odds on the presidential race, and Mandy
Willow pine whether any potential change in betting odds has

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to do with casual.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Wear I at leisure. Will I'm sorry, I mean, seriously,
get it. Are we talking about the new Vice president
is sharp style. Yeah, saw the stupidest story of the
history of the world. So we have to make everybody
else here too.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
All right, we'll be right back on KOA.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
All right, Time to talk with Kurt Cambier of Centennial
Capital Partners and Kirk. The market's been really volatile for
the last week or so, and there's been some technical
stuff with the carry trade. But the big picture with
this is people are wondering what our economy is going
to be like going forward, and maybe what the FED
is going to do.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
So what are you thinking?

Speaker 5 (14:37):
Well, I think it's actually been somewhat of a blessing
that what's your place is trying to change the Fed's mindset.
Now the probability of more rate cuts, in fact, the
probability of three rate cuts this year is not come
back into the table. Austin Goldsby has said also the
FED needs to be more forward looking. He's the Chicago
Fed president and not looking at the back debt us

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so much. And then Bill Dudley, a former FED president,
said that they need to get unrestricted to get back
their normal rates as fast as they can, which means
they'd have to cut from today's rates. So one and
a half to two percent quickly, and Jamie Diamond came
out and said, if they don't do that, we will
see the probability to see in the recession go up significantly.

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So think of the things that will do well when
interst rates go down. Possibly housing, think of the things
that will do well, or small caps when that takes place,
or maybe even the pressure off of regional banks. So
they'll be some unique opportunities here. And then when a
market is up in a presidential cycle year like this
this year up ten percent the first half, it generally

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goes up a significant portion of the rest of the
year as well. And I think that's what's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Folks.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
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Speaker 5 (16:11):
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give me call.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
We'd love to have that. We'd love to help and
go Broncos, Go Broncos. Indeed, all right, I know I
don't have you tomorrow, so talk to you next week.

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Speaker 1 (16:36):
But I'm just gonna set this up for a second
talking about what's going on in the political betting odds
right now. Sure, and then we're going to go to
an article that Mandy found that actually explains.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
It's the biggest issue of the race, the.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Biggest issue in the race.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
I didn't know it's kind of it was kind of
like the below the surface issue of the race.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
I stakes political discourse. It's in the article.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
It's in the article.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
So uh. Polymarket, which is one of the biggest websites,
like they've had over five hundred million dollars bet on
that website on the presidential election, has Donald Trump up
by one now fifty forty nine in the betting odds.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Can ask a question, yeah, were they prior elections?

Speaker 3 (17:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
On this site, I don't think. I don't think anybody
got Trump beating Hillary. I mean, in terms of the
betting odds, nobody had that. So, but in general these
sites tend to be a little bit better than the polls.
But the polls are right where the betting eights are
now are now two so. And then over at bet online,
which is a big German sports book, I think it's German,

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but it's it's off shore. Kamala Harris is actually a
small favorite over Donald Trump. And then predict It, which
is in the United States and is much smaller, and
I don't know that it's more accurate or anything, but
they actually have Harris up by nine or ten, so
I don't think that's accurate either. But in any case,
Trump was up by twenty against Biden, he was up

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by twelve or so against Harris when Harris first came out,
and now it's tied, and the momentum is certainly against Trump,
and the Dems haven't even had their convention yet, although
part of me I don't know whether I think it
or hope it that this would be like the peak
of the Harris Well no initial momentum and excitement, I.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Mean ross thinking about this. So you have the crowning
of Kamala Harris as the candidate with not a ballot cast,
and the media immediately falls into orgasmic throws to let
everyone know that she is not only a candidate, but
how have we missed it? She is the second coming
of Christ if you just haven't been paying attention. And then,
oh my goodness, Tim Walls, Governor Tim Walls, what an

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amazing pick. Has there ever been a better pick for
vice president than Tim Walls? Has there ever been a
smarter choice by a smarter, better candidate than the one
Kamala Harris just made? And to prove it, can I
share a little article from politico dot com, just give
you political Politico Politico dot com.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
I thought, I thought that was like the Washington Post
style section.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
No, this is from Politico dot com. Thankfully they were
able to track down Derek Guy, a men'swear writer who's
written for The Washington Post and Financial Times in Esquire,
and this is what his take on the cutting edge
issues of the day are Vice President Kamala Harris's announcement
of Minnesota Governor Tim Walls as a running mate has

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introduced an unexpected issue into our high stakes political discourse,
casual wear. Walls's progressive governing record and successful deployment of
the term weird against Republican opponents were both factors in
Harris's decision, but so was his potential a field of
working class voters in the blue wall states of Michigan, Wisconsin,

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and Pennsylvania. That's where Walls has a fashionable or perhaps
helpfully unfashionable advantage. With his flannel line, LLBean barn coats,
scuffed work boots, and woodsy camo caps. Walls is one
of the few male politicians who looks normal in the
kind of unpretentious clothing many voters prefer to wear themselves.

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Some corners of the internet are already responding to Waltz's
car talk chic he might run for vice president, or
he might clean up the garage. It's the weekend, anything
can happen. Read one viral tweet breaking potential running mate
Tim Walls spotted outside VP Kamala Harris's residence tweaking the
lawnmowers carburetor because he didn't like that dark knocking sound

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it was making. One ex user called Walls an rai
higher and then it goes on from there. So now
his folksy camo cap has taken him to a place
that no other candidate had ever been, especially when we
think back to John Kerry's unfortunate hunting incident. Do you
remember that Dick Cheney's no John Carrey allegedly he'd had

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a photo op on a duck hunt. He's wearing like
the most ridiculous picture, and my father, the hunter, to
his dying breath, was like, what a moron out there
in that get up. He'd obviously had no idea what
he was doing. I mean, it was just and so
you know, I would have thought that was the best
or esquire, But but this is kind of coverage. So

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if I'm the fact they're not higher right now, they
should be worried about because eventually something really important has
to happen, and that is Kamala Harris has to talk
to the media.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Does she.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Well, I think Donald Trump's gonna have a press conference
today and basically throw the gauntlet. So then the media
has no choice but to act like they're trying to
talk to her, because they're not acting like they're trying
to talk to her now. They're absolutely providing cover for her.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
My wife said that that Biden and Harris have what's
really the same strategy, and that is to campaign from
the basement.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
It's just that Kamala's basement is mobile.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
It moves with her right and she's you see her
off in the distance, but you can't reach her, you
can't ask her anything. She's still isolated even though you
see her on camera.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Well, I will say this, the Republican National Convention and
super PACs have started releasing ads. They're pretty damaging. But
every time I open YouTube, there is a video of
Kamala Harris asking me for money. Every single video there's
a video of Kamala Harris asking me for money. Where
is the DN, where's the RNC, and where's the Trump campaign?
Not just asking for money but defining her because if

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she's not going to talk to the media, they have
a golden opportunity to define her and her running mate
and force her to answer questions, and they're not doing it.
Maybe this press conference today is the beginning of that.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Maybe we'll see if Trump can kind of get a
little more discipline and start talking about I know.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
My hopes for him.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
I mean he Trump Trump spends too much of his
time talking about himself in the past, yep, rather than
talking about citizens in the future. And maybe he can today.
But I also think this goes back to something.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
You said before.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
The media that they got Donald Trump elected in twenty
sixteen because they pumped him up and gave him a
billion dollars of free airtime because they thought they were
pumping up a guy who was the only guy who
could who would certainly lose to Hillary. Yeah, they weren't
afraid of him, and they're not gonna make that mistake again,
and they're not.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Going to give him all the free airtime.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
But they will give all the free airtime to Kamala,
but she's not taking it.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
All they're doing now is providing glowing coverage of how
many people are showing up for her rallies, when we've
been told for eight years now is rally size doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
You know what's one of the funniest things.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
It's a small thing, but it points to the media
about how she wasn't the borders are and you had
all of these media outlets going back in fact checking.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Them themselves exactly.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, so was your reporter was reporting crappy then crappy
now like you pick your poinison.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
And they must know that it looks like that.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
But they are so desperate to help Kamala that they
that I feel the level.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Of in with some of these news media outlets is
such that had they not gone and changed it, they
would have lost status within their own tribe, and that
is more important than anything else. I don't think it's
as purposeful as you're saying, you know, like, oh, we've
got to get him elect or elected. But I do
think you've got such an echo chamber within newsrooms that

(24:21):
they genuinely think everybody in the country feels like they do.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Okay, so let's let's take your politico guy here slightly
seriously for a second. Yes, do you think there is
anything to this Tim Walls every man kind of appeal
because he didn't, you know, if you look at his record,
he didn't actually seem it didn't seem to work that
way for him when he was running in Minnesota, right

(24:45):
he just won the blue places, he still lost rural places,
even though he tries to be As one listener said,
Elmer Fudd.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Well, you know, when he was representing a rural area
in Congress and it was important for him to get
re elected, Yeah, then he was good on this an amendment,
He was good on property rights and things of that nature.
But when he ran for Congress and didn't have to,
I mean, when he ran for governor and can rely
on those blue areas, you look at his results. His
rural appeal dropped every single election cycle, and and he

(25:15):
lost rural areas last time. And so, you know, I
think it's one of those things where we've talked about
this with Jady Van So, so how much difference does it
actually make? Like nobody's gonna say, well, I was going
to vote for Kamala, but because of that Tim Walls, guy,
I'm not gonna do it. And anyone's saying they were
going to vote for Trump but they're not now because
of Jady Vance is just lying. You're just lying. Okay,
So it's the same, Okay, let me just.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Take that on a little bit a little bit.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
There are there are people, and I know quite a
lot of them, who refused to vote for John McCain
after he picked what's her face, Sarah Palin but here's
the thing.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
He was so easy not to vote for. Yeah, I
mean John McCain was a terrible candidate, right, he was
an awful candidate.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
So when for last time Republicans had a good cure.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
People that were staunch Republicans who wanted an excuse not
to vote for him, she was the convenient excuse. Yeah,
you know.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
She was worse than Vance politically, I think a complete.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Disaster of a pick. So but ultimately I think that
Tim Walls is more of a drag. Ultimately, if the
media were fair, I have to throw that caveat out there,
because he has a record. He has an actual governing
record that they can shine a light on. He stood
there well his city burned and said he was excited
about the possibilities because things were on fire. I mean,

(26:29):
all of these things are public records. So he's got
a lot more downside that is demonstrable if the press
is willing to even demonstrate it. And this is this election,
more than ever, I think that the Republican candidate is
running as much against the media as they are against
the other candidate. And I've never quite felt it as
strongly as I feel in this election cycle.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
I've never felt, even during the Obama years, that the
media was as much in the tank for a candidate
as they are for Kamla. And I don't know that
they love her as much as they hate Trump. But
it doesn't matter because the behavior is the same.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Correct exactly right.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
See.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
So one listener text says, I thought I was the
only one that had the Kamala adds every freaking break
on YouTube. It's annoying as hell. Today's the day, not yesterday,
not tomorrow, but today.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yes, and then skip exactly you are my soul brother.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (27:17):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
And then this other person.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
I've been getting appeals from Kamala online and by text,
and I haven't been a Democrat for.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Over eight years. Yeah, that's actually an interesting point. I
think that they think.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
That a lot of people who were Democrats in the
past might be open to coming back because they might
just not like Donald Trump enough.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
And their brother right strategy, strategy, and the text costs
so little, why not?

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Absolutely, Uh. We're gonna talk also a little bit later
in the show. We're going to be joined by Ben
Albright at noon because Mandy and I are doing nine
to twelve thirty today.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
That is coined by our our friend Arod over here.
So yeah, we're gonna go right until twelve thirty when
the Rockies game starts and they kick us out of
here at training camp.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
So during part of that twelve to twelve thirty segment,
we're going to talk with Ben Albright. But let me
just get a short take on your opinion on this
whole line of attack, especially from JD Vance, but lots
of other Republicans are picking it up, going after Tim
Waltz for his military record.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
I think it's about choice for a couple of reasons. One,
there's so much other to attack on, so much other.
This is a guy who signed a bill that allows
the state of Minnesota to remove children from the homes
of parents who don't want to help them transition to
another gender. There's bills that he has passed and actively

(28:41):
been a part of that are far worse than this.
Because it's hard to explain, and when Ben comes on
at twelve, you know, technically what Tim wall says is true.
Does he say it in a way that implies something else, Yes,
he does, But technically what he says is true. So
for people running around seeing stolen valor stolen dollar for me.

(29:03):
Stolen doalor happens when someone makes a blatant statement representing
themselves as having done something in the military that they
did not do. Tim Walls hasn't done that, right, He's
couched it in such a way as to imply or
you know, and it's distasteful and it's kind of bush lea, right,
But I don't think it's a good attack point because

(29:23):
of the nuances of the situation.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
I think the attacks are mostly false, which is a
problem in its in its own right.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
I also think you know, JD.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Vance did serve and deployed to Iraq, but he was
a journalist who didn't see combat, and he was there
for six months and months and retired as a corporal honorably.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
I'm not criticizing his service at all.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Tim Watz was in the military for a very long
time and got to the highest enlisted rank. And Donald
Trump is a draft dodger, So I think this whole
lot is a loser. And I think the main thing
is what you said. There are so many great things
to go after him for. Why why I waste your
time on this?

Speaker 2 (30:01):
I think it's because sometimes political consultants are grossly over simplistic,
and they go with the lowest hanging fruit. But but
here's my question, like, for the most part, and not exclusively,
but for the most part, people who served in the
military ten to vote Republican anyway, not exclusively, and I
would say it's probably seventy five to twenty five. Right,
It's not even like a landslide. It's seventy five twenty five.

(30:23):
But that being said, who are you going after with this?
What people in the middle are are going to be
swayed by this argument? And here's a news flash. A
lot of younger people who have served do not get
upset about this stuff. They just don't, you know, they're
they don't care. It doesn't have the same you know,

(30:43):
sense of honor and duty that it has to older veterans.
And I understand why it does. But I do think
that there are reasonable explanations that the Walls campaign can
issue that will put the whole issue to bed in
the media, and then you just look stupid for bringing
it up.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
This is not the second coming John Kerry, No, not
at all. Who there were legit things you could say
about him lying about his military service. All right, let's
switch gears and we're gonna get back to that later
on with Ben Albright in five minutes. Okay, So here's
the headline, Manda. You can see it. Birth's in metro
Denver are falling much faster than much of the country.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Here's what it means for the future.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Denver County experience the second largest decline in births among
the hundred most populous counties in the country from twenty
twenty one to twenty twenty two. And my thought is
young Liberals aren't having kids. I don't mean that sartastically,
just it's it's factual.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Ye do you think do you think this story is interesting?
Do you think it's I think it's.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Very, very, very important because the city ages demographically, it dies,
you don't have turnover in real estate, you don't necessarily
have this sort of infrastructure that young people like bars
and restaurants and stuff like that. Now we're kind of
unique in Colorado and that we're so upset with music
at every age. It seems like, I mean, when you
go to any show in Denver, you see people of

(32:05):
all ages. It's not like that in other places, like
in other cities I've lived, it's just not really no,
so we're a little bit protected. But school systems are
deeply affected by this stuff. And this is one of
the reasons why I think that they were so willing
to welcome in all these families from Venezuela because those
kids are now in Denver public schools, and those kids
are going to keep some of those schools open. I mean,

(32:25):
it's just a fact. Yeah, demographic fact. So there's issues
with the tax base, you know, as you have an
older population and right now we are under the national
average in terms of our overall demographic number are you know,
average age in Denver, But that number will go up
and it dramatically changes a city. And young people don't

(32:46):
want to live around a bunch of old people, right
So if you're twenty and everybody that lives in the
area is fifty sixty, you don't want to move there necessarily.
So it is something to be very concerned about.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
It.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
It's not just in Denver, it's across the country, like, well,
we're below the replacement rate right now in the United States,
and that is a big deal. And I realized people
are like, you know, we have two many people. The climate,
the climate needs less people. But the reality is is
society and a functioning government need more people.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
You know, I'm looking at this.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
This is it at coloradosun dot com, by the way, folks,
and it's linked on my blog at Roskaminsky dot com.
But you know, we're talking about how Denver's birth rate
has dropped a lot, but Broomfields is lower and Boulders
is way lower. But Boulder will have a bunch of
older people as well. It's probably I'm guessing the average
agent Boulder is is just adult, is older than the

(33:36):
average age in Denver.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
I'm guessing. I'm guessing.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
One of the things that's interesting is the highest birth
rate listed on this chart, which doesn't include every county,
but is Adams County, and Adams County is heavily Hispanic.
So that's one of the things that's happening in a
lot of places actually, is the counties that are more
heavily Hispanic or more heavily immigrants are having more kids
than the white and black counties are. And I you know,

(34:02):
I don't really have more of a point to make there.
I'm just sort of I'm just sort of observing it.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Well, there's young, but I wonder if they're counting on
the college speed. Yeah, that's going to bring it down
never mind.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I think one of the biggest impacts,
like you mentioned, is going to be on the school system.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
I know, it's.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Huge and it's a really serious problem and it's something
that we have to kind of address as a society.
How do you think you get people to have more babies?
What would you incentivize people to have more babies? Because
you know, one thing that they do do in very
high tax, very high service Scandinavian economies is they support parents.

(34:41):
You can take up to a year of maternity leave
and like six months of paternity leave out at a
large portion of your salary. But you know you're also
paying through the no everybody pays through the nose in
high taxes in those Scandinavian nations, and that's something that
gets by people. But the support for parents is doing
a pretty good job at now they're a little they're

(35:03):
over their replacement rate, which for many years they were not.
So it's like, how do you incentivize people to have kids,
Because it's not just about the financial, but it is
about the financial for some people.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
And there are places, especially in Asia, but other places
China's well below that are offering quite a lot of
money to have kids, and it's not moving to needle
at all. And I think in the United States, I
think there's some people for whom the decision is financial,
But mostly I think you've got young people who just
don't want to be burdened by the responsibility of having kids.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
I think the incentive is difficult.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
I think it's to convince young adults that having kids
is fun.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
And you know, here's filing.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Here's the thing, Ross, I mean, you know as well
as I do. You're a parent. I'm a parent. Some
days it sucks the wife out of you. But overall,
like I now have two grown kids, right, so they're done,
stick a fork in the two older ones, and now
we have two grandkids. And I can tell you from
this side of it, it is absolutely worth every bit
of aggravation to see your own children doing well and

(36:04):
then them having kids and those kids are great. Yeah, dude,
there's nothing better in the entire world than that. And
you can't ever have that feeling unless you're part of
the club.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, I agree, And neither one of us is trying
to sound like jd Vance, right, you're you can, you
can make your own choices and live your own life.
But for both of us, having kids, it's just been
an enormous blessing, an enormous and enormous blessing. And I
think I think the I think the best incentive is
going to be to convince more people that having kids
is an enormous bless ye. Anyway, all right, we're gonna

(36:32):
take a quick break. When we come back. I have
no idea we'll do Mandy's stuff and things. Oh yeah,
we're gonna talk about NASA astronauts being quote unquote not stranded. Right,
it's not just Ross Kaminski, it's Mandy Connell too.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Here at Broncos Park.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Hello, Nerds on football.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Nerds on football.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
We're gonna be super nerdy half an hour from now.
And I was going to talk about this NASA thing
with you, but I want to do something else instead.
Hit me, uh because I like the story you told
me about her hurdles.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, So last night I was watching track and field
because I am an Olympic nerd, like I live for this.
I have watched so many sports. The only one I've decided,
I've actually decided I do not like Olympic sports. Judo,
What is up with judo? It's like a lot of
arm wrestling like there. It's almost like a girl slap
fight kind of thing where there's a lot of like
hand like trying to it's it's boring as all hell.

(37:23):
And field hockey. I don't love field hockey, okay, and
everything else has been amazing, I just don't love it.
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
You play field hockey. I played hockey growing up.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Really, I know it's different, but hockey hockey, I know
field hockey.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
It's really not. I'm just cool.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
I didn't love.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
Also, you mean athletics. Don't they not call it track
and field anymore? Is it just athletics?

Speaker 2 (37:43):
I heard? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
I heard.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
I'm watching the hurdles last night, the four undermeter hurdles,
semi the qualifying races, and these guys are so freaking fast.
And when I was in high school, because I'm tall,
every coach wanted me to play every sport. Not I
have no athletic ability whatsoever. So at the tracks instructor,
the track coach whatever, he's like, no, you should do hurdles,

(38:07):
this will be great. So he's trying to teach me
how to do a hurdle, and he had been an
NCAA champion at some point, so he knew what he
was talking about. And last night, I'm watching these guys
go over the hurdles and they're running super fast and
they only do like four steps in between the hurdles, right,
It's all very mechanical the way they run these races.
But when they go over the hurdle, their head does
not change position at all if they do it right.

(38:29):
And that's what you're trying to do. You're trying to
keep your head steady, bring your legs up without dropping
your head, right, so it's all very and your legs
just go whoop and you go up over the hurdle
and then you continue running. And as I'm watching these
guys execute this perfectly, like just incredibly perfectly, they're going
over the hurdle by maybe a half an inch right,

(38:50):
like they are barely clearing the hurdle. Their head is
not moving and they are running so fast it is
mind blowing. And it's just like, how can you outlove
the Olympics? How can you not love watching that? I mean,
watching people just lay it all out there and run like,
I just I love it.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
I'm just trying to picture fifteen year old onco man
man yeah, Australian shortened everything.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Yeah, so unco.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
I'm just trying to picture fifteen year old Mandy doing hurdles.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
So did you were you on the team, did you do.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
That would be a no. That was number one. I
don't like to run. That was a huge impedibive for
being on the track and field team. But number two,
it was just think of like think of like trying
to teach a baby deer on ice how to jump
over a hurdle. That's really what what? Or maybe a
giraffe right, like here, giraffe here, this is what you're
gonna it. Just it was not a thing that I

(39:43):
was good at.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Oh my gosh, are you excited or not for Olympic breakdancing?

Speaker 2 (39:48):
I actually am. First of all, it's the most gen
X sport in the history of sports, right, gen X
flat out invented breakdancing.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Yes, we did.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Nobody did that before we did, so it's our sport,
so of course I have to be excited about it.
And just the sheer athleticism of the people that do
that is pretty mind blowing. I mean, when you look
at high level, it's kind of like high level double dutch,
double dutch jump roping. Have you seen that?

Speaker 3 (40:11):
No?

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Oh boy, oh boy? You know what a double dutch?

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Yes, to jump ropes.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Then there's like whole there's whole competitions for double dutch
that people are doing the most insane stuff in. So
just anything that is that is just testing the limits
of a human body, I think is just super cool.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
How much of your feelings about the Olympics reaction to
it is based in patriotism versus sport?

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yes, yes, I like to see the United States. I
look at the metal count every day and bloat. I
just gloat inside. Take that China, you.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Know, So I love that it's always China. We're compared.
We don't care how anybody else.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Back in the day it was the Russians, right, So
now we've lost the Russians. Now we have China. So
I love all of that aspect of it. But I
can also appreciate when someone from another country was something
spectacular to beat an American, I'm like, dang, that was good.
We've had some races the four hundred was it fifteen
hundred meters women's where this chick from the Netherlands just

(41:11):
comes out of nowhere and just zips past everybody. It
was like, where did she come from? But you have
to say, dude, well done, you know, bringing it on
the last fifty yards of that. I mean, that was
just it was amazing.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Well what I don't know if it was the same race,
but there was a woman from the Netherlands who fell
like ten feet before the finish line.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Did you see that rain?

Speaker 2 (41:28):
No, I might have taped that for last night. I
went to better early last night. We'll see. Yeah, I
don't know, but it had to be a relay because
Fomka was only running in one more relay. That's her
first name, Vomka, Vomka.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
When I lived in when I lived in Amsterdam, my
girlfriend's name was Famka.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Oh nice, Yeah, that was that was the name of
my Dutch my Dutch girl.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
This girl's too young for you, this Fomka. She was
embarrassingly young for you.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Uh huh, yeah, I don't allow that.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
So all right, here's a nerdy Olympics say, uh so
there's a dude in the javelin competition from India, and
I think you want to medal in Tokyo in javelin,
and I'm really rooting for him because before this, before
this dude, India had only ever won gold medals in

(42:14):
field hockey and I think target shooting.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
They're very good at field hockey in Adia.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
They are, and they have never won a medal in
an individual sport, only in It's like team something.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
So I'm I'm watching this Indian.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Dude wells see that's part of the fun of it.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Right.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
There's a runner from Saint Lucia. She's very fast. She
beats Sherry Shakari Richardson, who was the favor for the
one hundred meter women's hundred meter. But when you understand
what this means for Saint Lucia, that they now have
a track and field star, and what Usain Bolt did
for Jamaica, and it means so much for these little

(42:50):
countries and these little nations to have an Olympic winner, right,
And so how can you not get excited, even when
you're a piers person loses, because you know what that means,
not just for her, but for everybody on Saint Lucia.
They're all sharing the metal together. I love stories like that.
I love that it gives people permission to be unabashedly
yay my team, Yay my country.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
And when these Olympians are just they're magnificent, you know,
And we're standing here, we're sitting here at Broncos training camp,
and we sell these incredible athletes in front of us,
so they're there as far as we can see. They're
incredible athletes in one sport.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
You know, when you're watching the Olympics, you see people
do all kinds of whether it's running or jumping or
throwing something, or swimming or diving or like, all kinds
of things that on my best day I couldn't do
their worst version of it.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
But wait a minute, don't you sometimes see a sport
and you're like, you know what I could give you that? Like,
I'm kind of mad that I didn't know that discus
was a thing when I was in high school, just
because I was like, dang it, man, I feel like
if somebody had taught me how to do that, because
there's no running in that, so it would have been
perfect for me in track and field, But nobody said, hey,

(44:00):
you've got a long running span here, so grab a
discus and let's rock and roll. Oh, what's all lower
body strength.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
There was this We're gonna hit a break in the second,
there was this Chinese girl in the high platform diving.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Forget about them and diving.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Oh my god, Chinese and the diving or nuts.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
But this girl, this girl did a handstand on the
platforms one does, and then pushed yourself up and did
some kind of crazy flips and twists and then went
into the water with basically no splash.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Yeah that she's the one that won the gold medals,
did she Yeah, she won the gold medal. She's the
Chinese divers. It's almost like you're like, I don't know
if they're actually real people or if they're diving robots,
because they're they're they're just incredible every dive. They don't
make mistakes, you know, they just don't.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
All right, we're gonna take a quick break.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
This is Ross and Mandy coming to you from Broncos Park,
powered by Common Spirit, and we have an infinite amount
of more stuff to do, so just keep it here
on Ko to.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
The textures news that I have to you talk more.
I will what said, you're not You're not? This is
how it works. Rosted all the show prep but he
just lost it to me and I talk about it.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
No.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
By the way, for if if folks actually think that
Mandy is talking more than I am, first I'm I'm
not sure that that's true. But if it is true,
that's how I want it, because I'm a fundamentally lazy person.
The problem is that sows Mandy, and that's why she
left all the show prep for today.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
To me, it's your show, it's my show just for
the r right.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
So I'm going to do a slightly serious topic for
a second, and it's not a Colorado thing, but I
just want to give folks a sense of of how
government spends your money. So in New York they made
these rules for home health care, so you could essentially
tell the government that instead of hiring somebody to take

(45:51):
care of your elderly mother or grandmother, whatever, you're going
to be the official healthcare worker and the government is
going to pay you thirty seven dollars an hour. Holy
thirty seven dollars an hour. And now it is being
reported that almost all of the new jobs added in

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New York City in the past year came from people
claiming that as their employment.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
That amazing. There's billions there's two.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Two aspects to this number. One, there are a tremendous
number of people who are already providing uncompensated care for
a loved one in this country. Like that's a thing, right, Yeah,
But that doesn't necessarily mean that the government is, because
otherwise does the are they Medicaid recipients? Because like if
I need long term care, you need long term care,
the government's not going to pay for it for us,

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and home health AIDS and things like that.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
That care Medicaid, Medicaid, Now, that's exactly what it is.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
It could be a massive amount of fraud, or it
could be people finally being able to afford to stay
home with a loved one and take care of them.
Or it could also be that all of these people
were out there providing unpaid care and they're now getting
paid for it.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
I'm guessing it's combination, Yeah, but I think I suspect.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
That an immense amount of it is fraud.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
In one York, New York based news coverage of this,
they found that there were many beneficiaries who averaged more
than twenty five hours per day of care.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Oh good lord, So that's a massive amount of fraud.
And see those people need to be charged and arrested.
That's the problem is that when we have this kind
of fraud perpetrated against the government, unless it's in the
millions or billions range, which happens with Medicare fraud, in
some cases, these people never get charged, you know, they
never they just get cut off. They don't get charged.
They need to be charged, and we need to just

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let people know if you do this, you're going to
go to jail.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
And for folks who are wondering why did this happen?
Why did the government do this?

Speaker 1 (47:48):
I think a major reason, remembering New York's a super
blue state with a blue governor, is the SEIU, which
is one of the biggest and most evil unions, was
pushing this because they're unionizing all of these people who
are doing their home the home healthcare, and so they've
added many, many thousands of union members getting you know,

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forced dues or the other thing they're doing is they're
they're getting the best of both worlds. They're unionizing them,
but then they're telling the state that these people have
to be on the government's health insurance plan, and so
they're double dipping on unabsolutely, unabsolutely everything all.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Right, let me switch gears.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
We'll just do like a minute or so on this,
and then when we come back, we're knew some super
nerdy science that was really all Mandy's idea.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Oh my god. Okay, okay, can I just say, yeah,
if anyone in your listening audience hates me, and I
know they do, what today's going to be the day
because I tried, yeah, to read up on the topic
of today's interview with a scientists and at the end
of me reading for about forty five minutes, did you
really yes? Because I have no idea even after reading

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all they use the word quantum in the definition. You
can't do that. Okay, that's wrong. So I am going
to be I'm going to play the role of the
village idiot today.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
All Right.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I have a feeling like there's gonna be an explanation.
It's going to dink right off my head. Has the
reading that I tried to do must out.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
This is gonna be a lot of fun and I
and I and I admit or claim proudly that I'm
even nerdier than Mandy, but I will say going into this,
a lot of this stuff is gonna be over my head. Too,
that we're gonna be talking about quantum error correction.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Yeah, in case you were wondering with quantum computing. And
if case you were wondering, quantum computing has the name
quantum in the definition.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Right, so we but we are.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
I actually told the dude who we're going to talk
to that I really want to do this in plain
English as much as possible. Fifth grade yet, Pete, Well,
I didn't say that, but you should have. All Right,
I should have. All Right, I'll tell you what. We're
gonna hit a break here and when we come back,
we're gonna we're gonna be joined by a dude named
Mark Saffman with two f's, and he's a professor of
physics in Wisconsin, and he's the chief signcientist for Quantum Information.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Which also probably has quantum in the definition.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
I had a company at a company called Inflection that
has a que in it, so there's cues everywhere.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
I'll put on my dumb ass hat and I'll be
ready for that next.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
We'll do it next. All right, I guess we're up.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Hello, that was a problem was that was definitely abrupt.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
I'm ross.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
That's Mandy Hello with her trademarked Hello, we are at
Broncos Park, powered by Common Spirit.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
And we are, as Mandy is calling us today.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Nerds on football, taking it right from the Ross over
into the Mandy verse right up until twelve thirty.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
So we're here at training camp and we're watching the
players and the fans and all that. But we are
about to nerd out with you in a in a
very major way. And Mandy, just to explain to you
how much of a nerd I am. Yeah, that ties
into this conversation we're about to have.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
So yes, nerd.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
So I was driving around with a friend of mine
a couple of days ago, and I swear to you
this is true. We started talking because he has a friend.
We started talking about quantum error correction. I swear to
you it's true. And I had never really heard of
quantum error correction before he started telling me about his
friend who does it for a living. And then a

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day later I get an email about a physics professor
from Wisconsin who's also a chief scientist at a company
called Inflection where they do quantum stuff and quant and
so it's like one of those things we do max
where you never hear about anything and then suddenly you
hear about it a whole bunch of times.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
You buy a red car, all you see his red car.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
So joining us to talk about quantum computing and quantum
error correction and all kinds of things that Mandy already
knows but I don't understand.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Ohaha, is Mark Saffman, who is a professor of physics
at the University.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Of Wisconsin in Madison and chief Scientists at Inflection with
a queue.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Hi Mark, thanks for doing this. Really appreciate your time.

Speaker 7 (51:55):
Hi, Ross and Mandy, good to be with you today.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Why don't we start with the basic right, Yes, what's
quantum computing? And what exactly does quantum mean in the
term quantum computing?

Speaker 8 (52:07):
Sure, so everyone knows something about computers, and most of
us have a cell phone that sits in our pocket sometimes,
and that cell phone is an incredibly powerful classical computer.
The quantum computer is a whole new way of building
computers that once we succeed in really building these so
they work very well, will be incredibly more powerful than

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any possible future classical computer.

Speaker 7 (52:34):
And the key to it is taking.

Speaker 8 (52:36):
Advantage of quantum phenomena. And I'm going to try and
explain this in very simple terms. If you think about
a classical computer like the phone in your pocket, it's
got lots of bits of data inside, which is zeros
or ones. You can think of a bit of data
like a light switch. It's either off or its on.
It's one or the other. When we go into the
microscopic world, where quantum mechanics comes to play, then we

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can have bits of information that we call quantum bits
or cubits for suort.

Speaker 7 (53:07):
That can be zero and one at the same time.

Speaker 8 (53:10):
It sounds crazy, it doesn't make any sense, but that's
how we think about how the quantum mechanical world works,
and being zero and one at the same time lets
you store exponentially more data and do exponentially more powerful
processing of that data.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
So my understanding is that when you're looking at the
ce bit, there's something where you talk about it in
terms of probability, which makes it sound like at any
given moment you don't actually know what it is. That's
something I've never really understood.

Speaker 7 (53:46):
That's right, and this is one of the weird things.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
You know.

Speaker 8 (53:49):
We like our computers because they're very reliable if we
ask it to calculate something or send an email or
open a web page that does it every time.

Speaker 7 (53:57):
There's no probability involved. That just does what we ask
it to do.

Speaker 8 (54:02):
In the quantum world, there's probability and uncertainty, and so
these quantum bits that are both zero and one at
the same time. We can prepare that quantum bit and
being just zero, and if we measure it, we always
see zero or just one, and we measure it, we
always see just one. But we can also prepare our
quantum bit or cubit to be an equal superposition of

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both zero and one.

Speaker 7 (54:27):
And when we do.

Speaker 8 (54:28):
That, when we measure it, when we look at it,
and here's the order of roub, we don't see that superposition.
We're only allowed to see zero or one. So when
we take that cubit and bring it out to the
classical world that we live in, we only get zero
or one, but probabilistically we don't know which one we're
going to get.

Speaker 7 (54:46):
It sounds crazy. How do you build a computer that way?

Speaker 2 (54:49):
This sounds a little bit like Schrodinger's cat. It's either
dead or alive, or it's dead and alive at the
same time, but only depends on what you can see.
Is this the same thing.

Speaker 7 (55:01):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 8 (55:02):
So Choreninger's cab is taking that cubet, which could be
zero or one, to the level of everyday phenomenon where
you have the cab.

Speaker 7 (55:09):
Is that that is it alive?

Speaker 8 (55:11):
It's in some superposition of both until we open the
box and look at it and determine what it is.
It's the same thing, but the CAP's at a much
bigger scale.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Is this how the human brain works.

Speaker 8 (55:23):
I don't know how the human brain works. I'm trying
to figure that out, so I'm not going to go there.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
So again, if it's probabilistic like that, and it and
you don't know whether that one cubit is really zero
or really one, or really this indeterminate state, I guess
this is what gets to this question of quantum error correction, right,
I mean, is that what quantum correct error correction is

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is trying to solve this probabilistic problem.

Speaker 8 (55:56):
Yes, and part so let me try and say a
little bit about the corre Know, these quantum computers are
not perfect. They make errors, just like our classical computers
make errors. And we have error correction circuits inside our
chips and say in our phone to make them very reliable.
The trouble in the quantum world is if we look

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at that cubit and try and check if an error occurred,
then we get rid of the superposition.

Speaker 7 (56:22):
It's no longer zero and one.

Speaker 8 (56:24):
It becomes one or the other, and that sort of
messes up this powerful quantum calculation.

Speaker 7 (56:30):
And so quantum error correction is a way of.

Speaker 8 (56:33):
Looking at the cubits to check whether or not an
error occurred without actually preventing the calculation from proceeding. And
that's done by having something called a logical cubit, which
is many physical cubits put together that encode one logical
piece of data that we can protect against errors.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Okay, well, since maindeed drop Schrodinger on you and you said, yes,
that's right, I'll drop another one on you. So since
you said that, you know, if you try to determine
which phase that cubit is in zero or one, you
force it is that representation of the Heisenberg of Heisenberg

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that you know, as soon as you try to measure
this thing, you impact it.

Speaker 7 (57:21):
That's also exactly right. I think you know a lot
more quantum physics than you let.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Onto cap down. After nothing else that was it. That
was all I knew right there.

Speaker 8 (57:31):
Okay, made tapped out, but that's right. It's what we
call quantum back action. If I look at my cubit
that's in the superposition of zero and one, after looking
at it, it becomes zero or one. And it's kind
of hard to explain exactly how we can get around
that problem and still have a quantum calculation and correct errors.

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But that there's some really smart people that came up
with ways of doing that, and people are trying to
demonstrate that in the lab as we speak.

Speaker 7 (57:59):
This is what's the current forefront is.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
I was going to ask you what makes quantum computing necessary, bigger, faster, stronger.
Is it the infinite set of possibilities that exist because
the cubit could be either zero one. What mechanism is
in play there? Do you understand the question?

Speaker 8 (58:20):
I do understand the question. So I think there's two
key ingredients. One is this superposition of being zero and one.
And so imagine I had not one cubt but two cubits,
then I have four possibilities zero zero, zero, one, one
zero one one. If I have two classical bits or
two light switches, I have one of those four possibilities.

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When I have two cubits, I can be in one
of all for all at the same time.

Speaker 7 (58:45):
So if I had one hundred.

Speaker 8 (58:46):
Cubits, I could represent two to the power one hundred
possible states of the system at one time. And too
to the one hundred is a number that's enormously big.
It's larger than the number of atoms in the universe.
So you can represent this huge amount of data all
at once in the quantum computer using the superposition. And

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then there's something called entanglement, which is this weird spooky
action at the distance that Einstein didn't like so much,
And it's superposition and entanglement together to lets you solve
some really hard problems that you can't solve on classical computers.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Yeah, quantum entanglement makes me want to have a bourbon
whenever I start thinking about it.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
In fact, just because it's so nuts.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
I actually want to get to an easier part of
the conversation in a second, but just because it's so crazy,
and I don't know if Mandy's ever heard about quantum entanglement,
Can you please describe this because I don't believe it,
but all you smart people and my other physics professor
friends say it's real, So I don't really mean I
don't believe it is, and you explain it.

Speaker 8 (59:50):
Yeah, I believe it's real because we've made it in
my lab and many other labs around the world.

Speaker 7 (59:55):
But entanglement is sort of I have two particles.

Speaker 8 (01:00:00):
When I entangle them, the physical reality of those two
particles is shared between them.

Speaker 7 (01:00:06):
They're no longer separate entities.

Speaker 8 (01:00:08):
And so I can take two particles, put them next
to each other, do some magic with laser beams or
what have you.

Speaker 7 (01:00:15):
And entangle them.

Speaker 8 (01:00:17):
And then I can take those two particles and put
them very far apart, and they still are one entity,
and so they share information even though they're far apart.
And I'll just say computing is one thing, but that
entanglement is a way of sending messages that cannot be.

Speaker 7 (01:00:36):
Snooked on or hijacked. So you can send data.

Speaker 8 (01:00:39):
Perfectly securely using the properties of quantum entanglement.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
So if you had two entangled parties particles, you could
do something to one of them and the other one
would show the effect of it, even if it's a
million miles away.

Speaker 8 (01:00:55):
That's right, but you're not violating Einstein's relativity laws. That
turns out you're not transmitting information faster than the.

Speaker 7 (01:01:03):
Speed of light. But I mean, let me, let me
give you an example.

Speaker 8 (01:01:07):
Supposely I take a coin, okay, just the regular quarter,
and I slice it in half on the side, so
one one half is a head, so one half's to take.
I put those two parts in a box, and I
send one of the boxes to the moon. Well, if
I'm on the moon and I open that box and
I see tails, I know the heads, you know, back
on Earth, that doesn't mean I did anything not possible.

Speaker 7 (01:01:29):
It's that's obvious. So it's it's kind of like that
you're not sending.

Speaker 8 (01:01:33):
Information, but they're they're correlated.

Speaker 7 (01:01:36):
They're connected, even though they're very far apart from each other.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
What are we using this for now? I mean, because
it almost sounds like we're making stuff up as we go, right,
So what is quantum computing being applied to at this point?
And what will it be applied to to your point
when you perfect it or whatever, you know, make it
more infallible or less prone to mistakes. Where do you
see this technology being deployed.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Yeah, So.

Speaker 8 (01:02:05):
A lot of the early interest in quantum computing was
for factoring big numbers, which would let you steal people's
credit cards when they buy things over the internet, and
don't worry about that because that requires a quantum computer
that's probably a million times bigger than what we have today.

Speaker 7 (01:02:21):
So that's a long way away. But the other thing that.

Speaker 8 (01:02:24):
Quantum computing was introduced for was for solving physics problems,
for understanding how materials work at the level of individual atoms.
And we're working towards that, and then we could do that,
we could design new medicines, we could design new chemicals
that use less energy, we could maybe attack the climate problem,
we could make better batteries. So I think the primary

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use for quantum computers is going to be solving those
sort of technology and materials problems. And we're making great progress.
Every day there's new results coming out, but we're still
a lot way from beating those computers like the ones
we have in our pockets.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Do you think there will ever be and I know
ever is a long time, but a situation where quantum
computers are so easy to make and miniaturizable, then instead
of my Dell with an Intel I five in it,
I'll have a little quantum computer in my house or
do you think that will never really be justifiable for

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an ordinary citizen.

Speaker 8 (01:03:30):
Well, yeah, we have quantum inside in our pockets, you know.
I'll tell you Besides being at the university, as you mentioned,
I work with this Inflection company, which is headquartered in
Boulder in Lewisville in Colorado, and one of the things
we're doing at the company is trying to make all
this stuff a lot smaller.

Speaker 7 (01:03:49):
I don't want to say we're going to.

Speaker 8 (01:03:50):
Have a really powerful quantum computer in our pockets or
on our desktop, because they are pretty complicated, but we
are making working to make them smaller, and we're also
working to use quantm them for this secure transmission of
information and also to make better measurement devices.

Speaker 7 (01:04:05):
So I think there's going to be a range of applications.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
How big is a quantum computer now? I mean, if
if you have a lab that is working on quantum computers,
what is that a room full of what? I mean?
How does this what does.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
It look like?

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:04:18):
So I'm sitting in my in my university office just now,
and across the hallway there's a room where we have
a small quantum computer and it fills the whole room
right now, it's pretty big.

Speaker 7 (01:04:27):
It's a lot of equipment.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
If you were if you were building one from scratch today,
how much would you have to spend to build one
the size of the one that's across the hall from you,
just to buy.

Speaker 8 (01:04:42):
The stuff that goes into building at about three million dollars?

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Oh, that could change for ross.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
No, that's actually less than I thought.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
But then putting it all together, like I thought you
were going to say one hundred million dollars, you know,
you know.

Speaker 8 (01:04:56):
But I mean then you need some people who know
what they're doing, and it is going to take them
a year or two to.

Speaker 7 (01:05:01):
Put it together.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Let me go back to the applications of this, because
does it make it so we'd be able to possibly
discover new drug treatments or new therapies because it has
the ability to process through possible outcomes, getting it to
a stage where we could possibly begin testing faster. How
does that contract that process or make it more efficient?

Speaker 8 (01:05:24):
Well, that's right, I mean, because of this superposition principle
that I mentioned, if you have a lot of cubit,
you're representing a lot of data that lets you, for example,
solve chemistry problems. We have a lot of different possibilities,
and I'm thinking about some new.

Speaker 7 (01:05:39):
Drug that involves a number of molecules.

Speaker 8 (01:05:42):
There's a bunch of different ways they can sort of
connect with each other and be organized and so on
the classical computer, we've got to check each of those
ways in turn sequentially and see.

Speaker 7 (01:05:54):
Which one looks most probable, most likely.

Speaker 8 (01:05:57):
On the quantum computer, we can do these very big
calculations in parallel, and so we get this big speed up.
That's the dream. But we need a much bigger quantum
computer than we have today. So the biggest quantum computers
in the world today are getting close to a thousand cubits.
What we need to solve these hard problems is a
million or more cubits.

Speaker 7 (01:06:17):
So we got a long way to go.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Wow, what size with a computer using today's standards, because
I'm assuming that, just like regular computers, it's going to
get smaller as we move along. How big would a
quantum computer have to be to make a million cubits?

Speaker 8 (01:06:33):
Yeah, So the interesting thing is it doesn't necessarily have
to be that much bigger. There's different ways of developing
these quantum computers.

Speaker 7 (01:06:40):
The way I do it and The way we're.

Speaker 8 (01:06:42):
Doing an inflection is each cubit is one individual atom,
so one atom, and we have a machine with about
one hundred of those cubits. But I could take the
same machine, which sits in the same sized room, and
put a million cubits inside it.

Speaker 7 (01:06:58):
So the cubits are the small.

Speaker 8 (01:07:00):
What's bigger is all the lasers and electronics that control
the cu bets, and.

Speaker 7 (01:07:05):
That'll get a little bit bigger.

Speaker 8 (01:07:06):
But we think we can eventually do a million cubts
in the same room.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
My last question for you, Mark, do you go to
your job every day and think this is so freaking cool?
I can't believe the stuff I get to work on.

Speaker 7 (01:07:21):
This is the best job in the world doing research.
I love it.

Speaker 8 (01:07:24):
It's it's a lot of work, and it's all the time,
and it's it's very competitive, but it's it's great because
it's something new every day.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Oh, I'm good, All right, Schroedeger's cat everybody, Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Mandy demonstrated her physics wisdom. Mark Saffman is a professor
of physics at the University of Wisconsin in Madison.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Chief scientists at inflection.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
With a queue in the middle of the word which
I just learned, is based right here in Colorado. Maybe
we'll see in person one day. Thank you so much
for your time. It was a great conversation. Really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (01:07:58):
It's a pleasure joining you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
All right, all right, you two, all right, Mandy, what'd
you think?

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
I still have no idea. I mean, I could sit
here and blow smoke, like I totally got that. But
after Schroeder goes cat and well here's the thing, Well,
then why don't they make it one hundred why don't
they make it a million cubits? Like, what's the hold up?
What's the problem?

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Well, I think he was saying, like, and is this
each one like needs a laser and needs more cooling anything.
But I have to say, like he explained it in
plain English, and I still don't entirely get it, and
just the concept that something can be in more than
one state at a time and you don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
But I'm telling you that's the.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
Basis of a computer when you don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Think about though, what I said, is that how your
brain works. That's probably how our brain works, because in
our brain, our decision making centers are so subconscious that
we could have a yes and no answer to every
question existing at any given moment in our brain. But
until confronted with a problem that we then sort of
figured out, you know, it just rides in that same position.

(01:08:59):
I mean, this sounds to me like they're trying to
make a computer that thinks as quickly and like a
human brain. We have the ability to sort out multiple
options at the same hot you know, same time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
One thing that he mentioned, and then I decided to
go back to it. But a lot of people are
really worried that quantum computing is going to lead to that,
the destruction of every kind of cryptography we have right
now and the ability to have these very very secure
passwords that right now are essentially unhackable, that quantum computing

(01:09:32):
will make them quite hackable, and a lot of people
are really really worried about that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Yes, we live in interesting times.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
Well, thanks for doing a super nerdy segment.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
I thought maybe I would have her better like I
could now have. I just need cocktail party level, yeah,
conversation level, And I feel like I could kind of
do that now as long as we don't give too far.
And when he said cubits are atoms, I was like,
oh god. Now I have no idea what's happening. I
have no clue what's going on right now? They're Adams.
Are they the same size? If not? I yes, yikes,

(01:10:07):
thanks for making me feel dumb.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
You know, it's like you you watch these Olympic hurdlers.
You think that's insane, and then you think and then
you hear this guy's brain and like, yeah, that's the equivalent.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
So essentially everyone is better than us right now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Everyone everyone's everyone's better than us.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
I know what to make us feel better. Let's talk
with Ryan Edwards.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
Yeah, we will do that.

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Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Ned's a baseball today, ross as we broadcast live from
training camp.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
And did you know the ross Over.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Oh, it's the ross Over to the Mandy Verse. We're
taking you right up.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
To twelve thirty today.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
And fun fact about Broncos training right now, they're all
wearing Spaceball's helmets. Ran Edwards is jordan Us, So maybe
you could explain the Spaceball's helmets Spaceballs.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Oh bleep, they're going to the planet. Know that. Well,
they're they're the extra padded kind of deal.

Speaker 9 (01:11:20):
I mean, in fact, they've actually been approved to wear
them in games.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
They've been proven to be effected.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
Will I don't. I don't think anybody's gonna wear them.
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
If one of my opponents was wearing them, I would
totally be like busting out the Spaceball references because that's
what they look like. They look like, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
I mean, if you wore one in a game, just
everyone would make fun of you all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
That's right, That's right.

Speaker 9 (01:11:42):
But you know again, you know, you think about years from now,
and again, most of these guys in their twenties aren't
thinking about their forties.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
And fifties and the long term effects of concussions.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Yeah, I'm just kidding, what But you know there's some
science now that we have you know, we know, we
know a little more. We used to kind of cool
seeing this drill on on this field this time normally
when we're here. Uh there, there's there's two fields running
away from us, but one of them is way way
to our left as we're sitting here, right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
In front of that firm. Yeah, and but.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Right now they're they're doing drills right in front of us,
which Ryan, you said you haven't seen either, at least
not for a long time.

Speaker 9 (01:12:18):
This is the first day, first day of training camp,
that they did this. I assume it's because you guys
are here.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
The rossover is Sean Payton here. I've never I've done
this like a bunch of times now and I've never
seen him, but maybe he's like half invisible or camouflaged.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
He's definitely here. Uh he I'm trying to see you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Going off training camp. What does he need to be here?

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
No, And he's very active. He's one of those guys
that busy bee like all of the place.

Speaker 9 (01:12:42):
You'll usually see him around the offense obviously, but then
he I mean he'll be he'll be coaching special team stuff.
He'll be coaching some defensive players. I mean that's one
thing you appreciated about a coach that's been in the
league for that long is they're they're not lost ever.
Like I remember when DJ was out here as the
head coach and he kind of didn't know where he
should be the defensive guy.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
He wants to kind of.

Speaker 9 (01:13:01):
Have his hands and everything because he's the head coach.
And even he admitted after practice the first day is
like I didn't know what to do, sort of like
was it Will Ferrell in Talent.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
DA and I didn't know what to do with my hands.
But but but Sean is different.

Speaker 9 (01:13:13):
Sean very very specifically goes to the different places he
needs to be, but primarily stays with the.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Adis Well, if you see him, point him out to me,
because I've never seen him, and I mean you, I
assume he's here, but I've just never I've never seen him.
So do you think what what's the process like for
deciding who makes it and who and who doesn't? And
and do you think Peyton is like, obviously he has
the final decision, but do you think he's mostly relying

(01:13:40):
on the position coaches to tell him or do you
think he really has a strong opinion going into that meeting.

Speaker 9 (01:13:46):
It's a combination. It's actually really good question. It's a
combination of things. When when they try to work down
and whittle down to the fifty three man roster, which
again that's that's the only cutdown. We used to have
a sort of stages of this thing. Now they just
do it all at one time, which is pretty wild.
I mean, because you think it's a ninety man roster
right now, wheeling it down to fifty three. Yeah, and
you do that for thirty two teams, all of a sudden,

(01:14:08):
you've got hundreds of players hitting the streets. So you
gotta have to be mindful of not only your guys
that you'd like to have back on your practice squad,
but also the guys that you're maybe watching on other
teams that you think they're gonna get cut and you
can bring them on. But yeah, you're you're kind of
involving everybody. It's a process where you as the head coach,
have your views on it. You're asking the position coaches,
you're asking your coordinators what are they noticing. And most

(01:14:31):
of the time, I'd say a good forty or so
players are more or less done. They've already kind of
know who those top forty top, maybe top forty five,
But it's the back end of the roster, guys that
you're keeping for special teams, that you're keeping because you
don't want another team to poach them.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Those are the kind of decisions you ultimately have to make.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
So me making a list of who has the best legs,
that's not going to be a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Well, it could just be.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
I mean, I'm just I'm making I'm just making casual notes, right, I'm.

Speaker 9 (01:14:57):
Trying to remember casual with a jackdel Re that they
like the guys with the big rear ends.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
I can't remember there was he was like.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Walking around home and baby got back the time.

Speaker 9 (01:15:08):
But it was more like an athletic build kind of
thing more than a you know, objectifying them. It was
more of an athletic build, like, Hey, if I'm a
guy in the trenches, I like that they have a
big behind because that means they're.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
Gonna be a good ang powerful.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Yeah. Yeah, so that would be more of it. I
want to see its other real but it could have
been somebody else. Can you explain the practice squad?

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Sure, So it was a sixteen man practice squad and
you're you're going to have I mean, and then the
rules have changed a lot over the years.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Actually COVID kind of spurned a lot of the changes.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
But they they they kind of set it up where
you can have vets, you can have a mix of vets,
and you can have rookies. It used to be back
in the day that they they couldn't have a certain
amount of service time, like they had to be a
relatively young player.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Had fresh meat.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
Yet they couldn't be somebody.

Speaker 9 (01:15:56):
That's that's played a lot of games. You can't stash
players like that. Now it doesn't it doesn't really matter
to a certain extent. You could have a mix of
vets and you can have a mix of younger players.
Most teams kind of stack it, you know, half and
half because you have these call up rules now where
for I want to say, it's three weeks maybe even
four that you can do. You can have players come

(01:16:18):
up on the active roster, you can protect them and
then and then once they have three or four games
under their belt that they play and they go back
to the practice squad, then you have to make a
decision on them whether they can stay on the practice squad.
But then somebody can poach them and you can't do
anything about it, or you're gonna bring them up to
the active roster.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
So you know, they like your own built in minor
league team. That's exactly what it is.

Speaker 9 (01:16:37):
And they end up running a lot of scout team stuff, right,
So to that point that when you're getting ready for
a game, these are guys that are also gonna mimic
what the other team is doing. You're gonna have some
guys out there's like say, if Zach Wilson, for example,
who's running with the third team over the last week
or so, if you could somehow sneak him on to
the practice squad, he's going to represent whoever the opposing

(01:16:59):
quarterback is.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
So like week one against Seattle will be Gino Smith.

Speaker 9 (01:17:02):
He's going to be the guy trying to mimic some
of the things that Geno Smith does out there so
that they can get prepared for the game. So that's
usually the design. But then again you have some depth
on there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
You have some guys that you know your system, know what.

Speaker 9 (01:17:17):
You're trying to do. It's a very important part of
the roster, right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
We don't talk about it as much because it's not
the active fifty three. But the practice squad is a big,
big deal. It really is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
I mean for a player though, it's obviously a disappointment,
but not the worst disappointment of being cut and showed
the door. I wonder how that, I mean, do they
just view this as another opportunity to be in the
building they do?

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
I mean, certainly making the fifty three is important.

Speaker 9 (01:17:40):
Like there's some guys I talked to Little Jordan Humphrey
the other day, who's number seventeen out here wide receiver,
and he has been a guy that constantly is a
practice squad, game day call up guy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
They utilize him. He's an important part of what they do.

Speaker 9 (01:17:53):
But they just typically you keep five or six wide
receivers on your active roster, you don't have room.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
I mean, we already know who the.

Speaker 9 (01:17:58):
Top four wide receivers are of this team, so that
means the fifth and sixth guys have to be diehard
special teamers for you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
And he's he's yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
So so it makes it a little bit difficult.

Speaker 9 (01:18:09):
But I talked to him the other day and he
was like, Hey, my goal is to be on the
active fifty three man roster. That is what I want
this year starting way, and I'm like, the numbers are tough.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
I mean, it's just what it is. And and so
you make that your goal.

Speaker 9 (01:18:20):
And then you got to be aware of the fact that,
well maybe it's right there you go, where is it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Grey T shirt? Painting? That right painting?

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
Yeah, all right, there you go.

Speaker 9 (01:18:30):
Yeah, so you said not real, He's absolutely real. And
you'll hear him every so often. He'll stop, he'll stop
the drill.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
He's wearing aleisure.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Show Back to the beginning of the show, just a
few more seconds here, Ryan, you just mentioned, uh, you
know who the top four wide receivers are, and I
very very badly uh played wide receiver in college for
a little while. So I mean I'm assuming we're talking
Tim Patrick and Courtland Sutton.

Speaker 9 (01:18:58):
Who are the other two Josh Reynolds and Marvin Mims.
All right, now, Tim Patrick could be it could be interesting.
I think, you know, he he brings a lot of
value in his leadership. The guys respect him. He's a
he's a really solid voice in the locker room. But
he's also coming off two straight years were years.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Yeah, Yeah, like, hey has to be nervous as hell
come into training camp.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
And he's on a VET minimum deal.

Speaker 9 (01:19:20):
He came back on a VET minimum deal here so
that the Broncos are not tied to him contractually.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
So he has to earn it. That's right, he has
to earn it.

Speaker 9 (01:19:28):
But based on what we've seen in the reps out here,
he's been one of the top four. But well, you know,
we'll see. I mean there's some other guys that are
are gonna make some push. Preseason is fascinating, right, we
got these preseason games, first one coming up on Sunday.
Guys start to pop during the preseason games. You're like, hey,
we can't deny this guy, Devonveley. That could be a
guy that that cracks your top four number number eighty one.

(01:19:49):
It's actually Tim Patrick's number last year. Yeah, last several years.
And uh, he's just uncoverable. I mean, you cannot cover
this guy out here. Uh does nothing but make plays.
And if he pops for the preseason, you say, well,
not only is he on the roster, but he's gonna
earn some some steps of the offense, not just special teams.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
Folks.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
You can catch Ryan along with along with Dave Logan
and Big Al on koa Sports weekdays from three to
six here on.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Did I say that right? Did I get it all right? Here?
Here on?

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
Kaoi, thanks for spending some time with us. As always, Ryan,
I love the insights. We're gonna take a quick break, Mandy,
and I'll be right back.

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Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
All right, We're gonna get back to ath Leisure.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
But we just have a few minutes in this segment,
and some listeners have been saying that I've been that
Mandy's been talking too much, and I don't know if
that means I'm not talking enough, But I just thought
i'd take a moment and let me Andy rest rest
her mouth for a minute. Mandy, I'm gonna read something
to you that my that my older kid sent to me.
And this is a Craigslist ad for a car. Okay,

(01:21:07):
it's a Craigslist ad for a car, and I'm just
gonna share it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
With you, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
You want a car that gets the job done. You
want a car the tassel free. You want a car
that literally no one will ever compliment you on. Well,
look no further than nineteen ninety nine Toyota Corolla.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
Let's talk about features.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
Bluetooth nope, sunroof nope, fancy wheels nope, rear view camera nope.
But it's got a transparent rear window. And you have
a neck that can turn. Let me tell you a story.
One day my Corolla started making a strange sound. I
didn't give a bleep, and I ignored it. It went
away the end.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
You could.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
You can take the engine out of this car, drop
it off the Golden gate bridge, fish it out of
the water a thousand years later, put it in the
trunk of the car, fill the gas tank up with nutella,
turned the key and the puppy would start right up.
This car will outlive you, It will outlive your children things.
This car is old.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Enough to do.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Vote yes, consent to sex, Yes, Rent a car, Well,
it is a car.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
This car's got history.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
It's seen some stuff. People have done straight things in
this car. People have done gay things in this car.
It's not gonna judge you like a freaking Volkswagen would
interesting facts. The car's exterior color is gray, but its
interior color is gray. In the owner's manual, oil is
listed as optional. When this car was unveiled at the

(01:22:33):
nineteen ninety eight Detroit Auto Show, it caused all two
thousand attendees to spontaneously yawn. The resulting abrupt change in
air pressure inside the building caused a partial collapse of
the roof.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
Four people died.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
The event is chronicled in the documentary Board to Death,
The Story of the nineteen ninety nine Toyota Corolla.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
You want to know more great?

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
I had my car fill out a Facebook survey favorite food, spaghetti,
favorite TV show, alf favorite band? Tied between Bush and
the Gin Blossoms. This car is as practical as a
roth Ira. It's as middle of the road as your
grandpa during his last silver alert. It's it's his utilitarian
as a member of a church whose scripture is based

(01:23:15):
entirely on water bills. When I ran the car facts
for this car, I got back a single piece of
paper that said, it's a Corolla. It's fine. Let's face
the facts. This car isn't gonna win any beauty contests,
but neither are you. Stop lying to yourself and stop
lying to your wife. This isn't the car you want,
it's the car you deserve. The fing nineteen ninety nine

(01:23:36):
Toyota Corolla, how much I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
I'm in. I'm in. I would buy it, and I
would have that entire ad just painted all over the
hood and they just clearcoat it, uh huh and drive
it around like that. They're not wrong. I sold when
we first moved here, we sold my Toyota Highlander, a
two thousand and seven Highlander uh huh, to one of
my neighbors, which has been oddly weird for me because

(01:24:00):
whenever I see it, I get super excited. Right, I'm like, oh,
look there's my car. Dude stopped over by our house
the other day to say his wife was so mad
because that car will not die. Okay, a two thousand
and seven toy ont A Ishlander. It runs perfectly. And
I told her she could get a new car when
she wore this one out, and this car will not die.
And I'm like, I'm good to know. White he's on

(01:24:20):
the road.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
There you go, All right, Let me ask listeners a
quick question. Then we're gonna hit a break and come
back and talk about as leisure where another day. What
was your favorite car when you were a kid, Like
when when you were younger?

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
I wanted in nineteen seventy one Carmen Gia. Oh those
are cool, yeah, until my dad was like, do you
want a car that actually runs? Or do you want
to have a Carmen Ghia. I mean, what's pick your
choice there? Then I wanted an MG because my maiden
name starts with G, so I was wanting to have
an MGMG personalized license plate. Oh nice, Yeah, I have goals.
And then of course the nineteen thirty four Dusenberg, which

(01:24:53):
is one of the most beautiful classic cars ever produced
in the world. There are very few of them left.
It's one of the most valuable anti cars in the world.
I of course wanted that one.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
I'm gonna have to look at it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
It is a stunning car.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
So, folks, when when you were a kid, not which
car was your favorite that you had, but what car
did you want?

Speaker 6 (01:25:11):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
Dude, first starting.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
To drive, I drove a I drove a Pooh Brown
Dots in station wagon.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Oh, I'll see your dots and station wagon and raise
you a bright yellow with orange racing stripes, four door
chavette with an oscillating fan on the dashboard, ross oscillating fan.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
You win.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
You try the buffet, We'll be right back on KOA
Mandy said she wants. In nineteen thirty four, Dusenberg and
I went to look the a's up and there's they're
not all quite this nuts, but there there's one for
sale right now.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
Pebble bea auction.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
In nineteen thirty four Dusenberg Model J disappearing top convertible
coop and it's up for auction in the estimate is
three and a half to four and a quarter million dollars.
I tried to put it in a low ball bit, like
I'm trying to catch it for three and try.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
About three hundred and forty three million, four hundred and
ninety nine thousand short on that one. On the low end.
You know, I could try and lowball the right. They're
beautiful cars, and there's so few left of them of
that model year cool, so I love them. I've been
obsessed with them since I was a little kid.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
One listener said he wanted a Pontiac Fierro.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Oh God, what great dorky cars. The Fierro was it
was fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
We're talking about and we're talking about what car you
wanted when you were when you were young, not what
car you had, but what car you wanted. Another listener,
this is a good answer, I think, no, maybe not.
In nineteen sixty eight Mercury Montego MX named Deja Blue.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
That was what I wanted, highly specifically, very far. That
was Mandy and Ross.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
I wanted any car other than my nineteen seventy nine
hand me down Subaru opposit of chick Magnet.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Do you know what happened to my Chavette. I drove it.
I got it for my sister. It was a hand
me down car. Yeah, and she got a Mustang convertible.
I got the Chavette and I drove it and drove it.
And then one day I'm driving to my job and
smoke starts coming out from under the hood and the
engine blows up, and my dad comes to get me
and he's like, well, when was the last time you
changed the oil? And I went what? And he goes

(01:27:22):
change the oil and I was like, what are you
talking about? He goes, how can you not know how
they're supposed to change the oil I go. No one
taught that to me, and I just looked right back
at him and he was like, dang it. And then
I never heard another word about it because no one
told me. They just were like, here's a car, you
get to drive it. No one told me how to
take care of it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
I wanted a nineteen fifty eight Corvette in red with
the white inset door Panel's sexiest car ever, that's a
good answer. Yeah, I wanted my mom's nineteen sixty seven
Mercury Cougar.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Nineteen seventy. That thing probably rose like it was driving
on marshmallows. Do you know what I'm saying. The suspension
on that car was probably amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
He says.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
At sixteen, I'd volunteer to do the grocery shopping, take
my little brother to swimming lessons, drive Grandma to our
hair appointment, anything, just to drive that car.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
See, my mom had a nineteen eighty four Selica when
I was in high school, like the hatchback. That car
was awesome, and I was like, whatever you want me
to do, I'll drive. Just trying to drive that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
We had when I was in high school. In addition
to the pool Brown Dotson station wagon, we had one
of those enormous Pontiac station wagons with favor wood on.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
The side facing back in the back.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
Yeah, because nothing says I'd like.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
To die more than just staring out into the exhaust.
Because in Florida always rode with the windows down, so
the exhaust just sucked me right back into the car.
So we just rode along sucking in leaded gasoline exhaust.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
God, the seventies were glorious.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
I never wanted I never wanted that car.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
Let me do a very nerdy political thing with you
so on, especially for Denver rights. You're probably well aware
that the Mayor of Denver has.

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
Proposed a half a half a percent.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
Sales text increase to fund what he calls affordable housing,
as if that's a good use of government or likely
to work out well or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
And then we heard maybe a week and.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
A half ago that it got stopped paused something in
committee at the Denver City Council. And what I wanted
to share with you is that it passed out of
committee yesterday unanimously. And I was very confused by that,
because for example, Kevin Flynn. We know he's against it, Yeah,
but he's on the committee.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
So some people who are.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
So I asked Kevin Flynn, why did you vote this
out of committee? Why didn't you just kill it there?
And he told me something that I did not know, Mandy.
On the Denver City Council, they cannot kill stuff in
committee the way legislatures can.

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
They either have.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
To like voted out a committee or have the sponsors
pull it, is what he said. So the committee can't
kill it. So he's a nun, but this thing still
might pass. So we'll just have to see if den
rights are that masochistic.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Well, and if we had a functioning Republican party, which
we both know we do not in Colorado, this would
be the perfect time to message that they're now trying
to raise taxes to fix a problem that government created,
right because the Construction Defects Law destroyed the construction of condos,
which are often first time home buyers first homes. Right,
So all of these problems that we're having, aside from

(01:30:28):
the fact that we've had way too many people move
into Colorado, it can be taken care of with legislative changes,
proper tax incent incentivization for builders, because a lot of
builders it's just the juice is not worth the squeeze
on lower end homes by the time they pay their
insurance to cover the build and everything else they've got
to do and all of the other stuff they have

(01:30:49):
to comply with that generally speaking, ads like twenty five
percent to the cost of the house. It's not worth
it to build houses that are two hundred thousand and
three hundred thousand dollars. You've got to do it in
a multi family homes that situation to make it work. Right,
So instead of asking people for more money fix the
problems you've created, if we had a functioning Republican party,

(01:31:09):
that would be the messaging I would suggest.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
There was actually the headline or the link on this
which really kind of struck me is affordable Denver proposal
unanimously passes how to committee. And it's just such an
Orwellian thing because so they're going to try to make
housing quote unquote affordable to a few people, right by
making Denver unaffordable to hundreds of thousands, or if you

(01:31:35):
include tourists, millions of people.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Well, I know the appeal of slapping on more in
sales taxes because Florida does this. Florida has a pretty
high sales tax and it's just because they have so
much tourism. Why not met the tours pay the freight right?
And I agree with that philosophically, as long as other
forms of native taxation are lower. And for a long time,
property taxes in Florida were very low, and I don't

(01:31:58):
know what they are now. I'm not going to pretend
that I do because sales taxes were so high. But
what we have now is a government, especially in Denver,
that I think has shown itself to be reactionary and
not particularly thoughtful. And you see what we're dealing with
right now where we've now housed all of these homeless
people in these homeless hotels, but there doesn't seem to
be a good strategy to get them out of those

(01:32:20):
hotels and into more permanent supportive housing, and so we
rushed into that. So what is affordable housing it to
look like? Done by the same people? I don't trust
the leadership?

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
I don't either.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
In adding on to this not trusting the leadership thing,
Rob Dawson from our Kowa News team was following this
closely yesterday as it was happening and as the City
Council committee was taken testimony, right, and one of the objections,
and I think it was maybe by Amanda Sawyer, who
was a leftist basically a big spender, but she's pretty
concerned about this, and she said, look, as I read

(01:32:51):
this thing, I don't see limitations in terms of, you know,
who might qualify for the affordable housing. And it looks
to me like you could easily, you know, build stuff
and say that people who make two hundred thousand dollars
a year could qualify for it. And she's asking Mike
Johnston's people who are bringing this measure, and the answer
for Mike Johnston's person was, well, we need flexibility.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
See this is it. They want to be trusted, but
they have proven themselves to be untrustworthy. Yeah, when it
comes to spending taxpayer dollars. And I think that's a
huge issue of concern. Also, I've heard from multiple builders
that the permitting process in Denver is so bad and
so backed up that it adds anywhere from fifteen thousand
to twenty thousand just because their permitting is slow. Right,

(01:33:37):
So before you ask anyone for more money, fix the
crap that you are already contributing to the problem. And
if I lived in Denver, that would be what I
would advocate and say, look, fix the situations that you
can control before you ask me for any more money
to create a giant new program that the same people
are going to be running.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
A friend of mine is a builder and he's in
Denver trying to build ALEX just two units, nothing massive,
and he's a year into the permitting process and he
doesn't feel like he's very close to getting the permits.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
Yet that is such a huge issue when it comes
to economic viability and business climate. And I have a
friend who is in the process of not in Denver,
been in a different part of Douglas County, and the
permitting process was taking him so long he had to
call the Community Development Agency and say, I am almost
bankrupt because of your permitting process. I am almost bankrupt.

(01:34:29):
So if you're trying to put me out of business,
you are so close to doing it. And amazingly, all
of the inspectors showed up the next Monday. So it's like,
these are significant issues that are impacting every aspect, especially
affordable housing, and yet no one talks about fixing that problem.
We live in the you know what, ross it is
twenty twenty four. There have been computers and upgrades and

(01:34:50):
everything else. There's got to be a way to fix
the system.

Speaker 3 (01:34:53):
I sure hope so.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
And it'll be really interesting to see what the Denver
City Council does. Denver is famous for taxing itself. But
I think there may be enough objection to this thing
that maybe it won't it won't be on the ballot.
But there is another sales text increase on the ballot
in Denver.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
Yeah, and which they'll just.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
Save you see health.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
They'll to save you see health.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
I can see that when passing, because that feels urgent,
even though the reason you see health, one of the
reasons is because we've invited forty thousand people into Denver
so we can support them from across the border. And
that's that's a significant hit when you have people have
no insurance and many health needs.

Speaker 3 (01:35:29):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:35:30):
Indeed, all right, let's switch gears do it. So let's
talk Olympics for a second. Yay, don Why don't you
read the headline?

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
The headline sexy Olympians are tuning to only fans to
make quick cash. I've got something people want. They say, Ben,
how many subscriptions do you have?

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Only cans, only can so And then Mandy, here's here's
a picture of a Canadian athlete named Alicia Newman.

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
She's got a bronze medal.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
In relocative pots. Oh oh, there you go, work to.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Celebrate and and some people are kind of cranky about it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
But I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
I mean, these these people, most of them don't make
any money.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
My only issue is this, like, and I know that
not everybody on OnlyFans is doing explicit sexual content, but
the association with only Fans in the long run right
now is a negative. Women doing any kind of sex
work long term is a negative. And all you have
to do is look for the stories of people who
used to work in porn who have now come out
and said, it is my nightmare that every single person

(01:36:40):
that I meet has seen me had sex, graphic sex.
So I think that young women that are like, oh,
only fans is no big deal. You do not understand
that society will continue to judge you. And as much
as we can say women are liberated and all that crap,
the reality is is people will continue to judge you,
and someday when you have kids. The neighbor that doesn't
like you is going to find that only fans, right.

Speaker 3 (01:37:01):
And the internet is forever. The Internet is forever. You know.
One of the interesting things about this.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
Story, notice the men they are, Oh well, that's what
this is about.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
That's part of what this is about. It is is
the men. But the men are not doing full frontal nudities.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
They're like wearing speedo's or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
And I doubt they're making even a tenth or even
a hundredth of what.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
Depends on how many gay mens do their stuff, because
women don't pay for that. You guys, women don't pay
for that, right. It's gay men that are driving that
particular OnlyFans category.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
That's probably right.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
Do you mean no women ever subscribe to Playgirl magazine?

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
Now? It's all gay guys, all gay guys.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
Every gay guy I knew in the nineties had a
subscription to play Playboy a girl rather and all the
lesbians had a subscription to play Girl or Playboy.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
Really, yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
It's just because like I'm not gay and not willing
to learn that, you know, like these That was a
good touchdown, That was a great catch.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
Yeah, it was, Oh my gosh, even though they're wearing
the spaceballs.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
That was a great catch. Valet, Yes, very good. By
the way, we.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
Are at Broncos Park, common powered by Common Spirit Mandian Air,
sitting here and and the first time I've ever seen
there doing there these big drills that they basically finished
practice with. Uh scrimmage is essentially right in front of us.
Usually they're on the other field. It's closer to the berm,
And I'm guessing that those people who are spending their

(01:38:34):
work days, you know, here to watch practice are probably
a little disappointed.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
You know what it is right now is I think
I'm probably the only woman that's been on media row
the entire like last two weeks. So it's like like
when I walk into a meet and greet for the
Rush concert. You know, they're super excited because hey, look
a girl one you know.

Speaker 1 (01:38:52):
You know, that's one of my favorite Mandy stories. Ben
thinks they're protecting the grass on the other side of
all this, May I don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
I missed that. I was that was away from us
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
I mean, if you're a fan who came insisted on
the burm, don't you have your binoculars?

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
Do you have binoculars a rod, I thought you'd have
binocular with me.

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
Oh yeah, because I thought I thought I saw you
with with binoculars at one point here. Well, we're probably
almost done with the with the only fans thing. But
do you do you think it's like somehow inherently inappropriate
for an Olympic athlete to be on only fans.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
Okay, let me think about this. Let me think about
how to say this, because I I when I talk
about this in the past, I've been accused of shaming
young women who have owned their sexuality, when in reality
I'm just a lot older than they are, and I
know how this is gonna turn out. Uh huh. Do
I want my daughter to look up to an Olympic
athlete who is a long jumper? Yes? Do I want

(01:39:49):
my daughter to look up to anyone who has an
only fans page?

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
I do not, simply because of the reputation of if
it being overtly pornographic, even though not everybody is. I
know that, but it's still the connotation is there.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
And I have no idea whether these young gus them
doing cameo are doing like nude stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:40:09):
I don't know. They talk about this one athlete.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
Her name is Elise Christie and and she says, I
lost my house this after retiring from sports.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
I lost my house. I was working three jobs at
the time.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
Only fans brought me back from a really dark place
and I now use it positively.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
For positive cash flow. That's pretty easy to understand. And
here's the thing, like, people, even if you're not putting
explicit content on OnlyFans, why are people paying for that?

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
Why are people paying for Girl Nextdoor content for the
same reason they're paying for pornographic content? Because it gets
them off. I mean, that's why people go to OnlyFans.
I guess, you know, if you have a fan page,
then you go to Facebook, you know, and you do that.
But it's it's just it's a it's a trend that
I don't see end ending well long term, kind of

(01:41:03):
like a face tattoo. I look at it as exactly
the same way. If you're twenty one years old and
you get a face tattoo, you have made a career
limiting decision for your future that you can't even begin
to understand. That's twenty one. There we go, lot's offensive,
little this and that's over here. Happened right now, Hey,
there're Sean Payton.

Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
Wait where is he right there?

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
Now that I know what he's wearing, I can see
him every time walking across the field. He's running around
of him. Sure, I wish that they didn't have to
do that. Let me just say that, right.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
Yeah, I think that's a good answer. And I don't
know whether these girls are like all naked on OnlyFans
or wearing lingerie or what. And I also don't know
if it's damaging in the long run for their reputation.
If someone just finds an article that said so and
so was on only fans without ever seeing a picture
of what they actually did, that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
Is the it's and that will never go away. That
will never go away. I just I think it's sad
that these girls think that's all they have to offer.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
Yeah, I mean maybe it is.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
I know I was gonna leave that unsaid, but yeah,
I know. And that's just you know, everybody needs a job,
I guess, and if you you're comfortable with it, you
can do it, and more power to you. But it's
not something I would ever advise any young woman that
I know to even considered.

Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
Indeed, Mandy and I are at Broncos Park powered by commons,
watching this play. Oh, Mandy's watching a play. Oh good coverage, Yeah,
very good coverage. Probably could have caught it, but very
very good coverage. What are we calling this?

Speaker 3 (01:42:32):
The Ross? Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
The Ross over to them into the Mandy Verse. The
many verse starts in approximately ten minutes, Yeah, and where
everything where we're just gonna pretend like we haven't been
here all day and that's a brand new show, right, Yeah,
and then to different even though it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:42:47):
Ben Albright will be a guest on your show.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
Yes, Ben Albright coming up next because Ben, we've been
talking off the air about uh, Tim Walls and the
stolen valor accusation. Ross and I did not talk about
earlier because this show stops existing right after that. But
we're going to kind of get a little clarification on that.
Russ and I think are in agreement that we don't
love it as an attack point. I just think it's
it's easily refutable because technically everything he said has been

(01:43:13):
true technically, and that makes it ooh there we go, Yeah,
And that makes it a It makes it a not
a great attack point on a guy who has many, many,
many attack points.

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Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
Where are your ath leisure wear?

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
And maybe we'll come back to ath leisure During your show.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
I mentioned Ben as specific stores where he shops for
quote his ath leisure were.

Speaker 3 (01:43:56):
He said, yes, that is that true?

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
Yes, yes, indeed, then is all we either inth leisure
or the most wacky suit suit you know, nightclub where
you've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
He walks in the office yesterday wearing pajama pants, So
he's a man of many facets. Ben, alright, he'll join
us next.

Speaker 3 (01:44:19):
Keep it here on.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
Welcome to the very very short edition of the Mandy
Connell Show. And I am joined on my program today
by a voice you may recognize, maybe not, I don't know.
You may have heard of him. He's Roskaminsky. Hello, there
you go. Very good. That was a very good impression.
We have been out here at training camp all day.
The players have just finished and they're taking their Giants

(01:44:41):
Baseball's helmet and they're going inside. We may or may
not have someone to chat within this segment other than
Ben Albright, who we do have here that guy to
chat within this segment. But we're not talking to you
about sports. Ben, No one cares what you're saying. Okay, yeah,
exactly no. In all honesty, we're all out here and
and I and I know that Ross has been talking

(01:45:02):
to him as well about the story of Tim Walls.
By the way, there is no blog today because doing
Ross's show completely ruined my morning. I just want you
to know I'm such a creature of habit like I
have my day when I get ready to do the
show and I got up and I was completely discombobulated,
had no clue what was going on. Even my dog
was like, this is wrong, this is wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:45:22):
Thanks for all your hard work with this show. Prep.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
You know what, you did a great job. You did
a great job. And see we got through your show
perfectly fine. And now Ben's here and we're gonna talk
about the stolen valor accusations against Tim Walls, the governor
of Minnesota, And when this first came out, I decided
I wasn't gonna talk about it for a variety of reasons.
Number one being there was some nebulousness to the details

(01:45:45):
that I could not quite get my hands on right.
And I generally speaking, if I'm gonna come out with
something negative about someone, I'm gonna have my facts in
order before I do so. But secondarily, with Tim Walls,
this guy is such a target rich environment. He has
a track record on which you can pick so many
things to bring forward to the American people. For me,

(01:46:07):
this seems like a little bit of noise. It seems
like a little bit of fluff. But then Ross and
I were talking about this, like in politics, it doesn't
have to be true, right, It just has to hit
the right consumer at the right minute to be effective. Now,
if you're someone who says, Jeez, Louise I don't like Trump,

(01:46:29):
and Geez, Louise I don't like Harris, so maybe you're
looking for a reason to justify your vote for one
or the other. And for someone who has a veteran
in here stolen valor, maybe that's the thing that makes
them go Okay, I'm gonna vote for Trump now, but
I don't think it's a winning argument. You know what,
maybe an excluding art reinforcing one, yeah, but it's it's
not necessarily. I just don't think people who are gonna

(01:46:51):
vote for Kamala Harris are going to be swayed by
this at all.

Speaker 10 (01:46:53):
No, And I don't think anybody's First of all, you
shouldn't vote based on this stuff that you see.

Speaker 11 (01:46:59):
Right now anyway, but most I will say.

Speaker 10 (01:47:01):
A lot of people do, though, as a VET the
accusation of there's two things that are really really triggery
is a VET and that's that's the stolen valor accusation
or a cowardice accusation, and both of which have been
leveled against the Tim Walls. I look, I don't think
it's fair to criticize either person's service record. They both served,
they were both discharged honorably. Neither one of them is

(01:47:23):
a criminal in that regard.

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
I don't.

Speaker 11 (01:47:25):
I don't. I don't think it's fair to really get
into all that.

Speaker 10 (01:47:28):
As far as the rest of it goes, it looks
to me like people who have a political agenda on
either side seem to be lining up their arguments to
do that. The reality is Tim Walls never saw combat.
He didn't see combat. He's never claimed to see combat.
But people are inferring that based on things that he said.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
The thing I will criticize him for is that he
has used language they would imply that you could reasonably
draw conclusions from that implied he's served in a different
way than he actually served.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
And when he was talking about the gun control stuff,
he talks abo.

Speaker 11 (01:48:02):
And you and not talking by email.

Speaker 10 (01:48:03):
I don't have the biggest problem with that because he
did deploy overseas in the support of oh yea if
he did, which does not mean you have to go
to Afghanistan despite whatever that right. The latest wave of
things on that he was in Italy, they were he
was in a CSS role. For people don't understand what
that is. It's combat service support, it's a logistical role.
They were back there doing security for career basis that
were shipping supplies.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
They make it possible for everybody on the front line,
and that's a part of That's a part of being military.

Speaker 10 (01:48:28):
There's combat, there's combat service, there's combat service support, and
so there's there's different aspects of that. Not everybody is
just a grunt out their point of repping down range.
So you know, I don't have a problem with him
claiming in war per se, I don't speak for all veterans.
That's just my thing. I understand if a veteran would
have a problem with that. If he had said in combat,
I'd have seen red, right. He did not see combat,
So so that was my problem there. And I understand

(01:48:50):
that that's split Harror's parsing language whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:48:53):
But a lot of this stuff with Walls is that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
I think it matters. That's just from a political attack
point point of view. It's very very easy for the
Walls campaign to put out a statement where everything is
factually true, and everything is actually true, factual, and it
just makes the accusation looks petty and small, and so
as an attack point.

Speaker 10 (01:49:12):
Right, it's just a bad one. If you're a political operative,
you steer clai this. First of all, you've got you
got Donald Trump, and you know the accusation. I don't
know that he faked the foot injury to dodge. You
know he had there was a foot injury and he
did not serve. But that implication comes back up, and
if you're Trump, and then let's divorce myself from this
and just be a political operative for a minute. All right,
if you're Trump, you still have that image, that photograph,
the alpha male photograph of you basically throwing the thumbs

(01:49:34):
up metaphorically throwing the burg.

Speaker 11 (01:49:36):
The guy who tried to shoot you. That's the image
you want out there.

Speaker 10 (01:49:39):
People reminded, Oh, yeah, yeah, he didn't actually serve in Vietna.
So if you're a political operative, you don't want to.

Speaker 11 (01:49:44):
Do this anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
He can't.

Speaker 11 (01:49:45):
He can't do it anyway vance as a as a
veteran can right.

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
Do you think it sticks with veterans or do you
think the average veteran because a lot of it comes
down to whether it's true.

Speaker 3 (01:49:58):
Or not right.

Speaker 1 (01:49:59):
You know, John Kerry was hurt very, very badly by
his and he was wrong. I mean, the swift boat
at tax against him were basically correct, and it really
hurt him politically. It seems like these accusations against Walls
are basically incorrect, or maybe more than basically.

Speaker 2 (01:50:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:50:17):
You know, like there's all this stuff about did he
did he retire to avoid deployment?

Speaker 3 (01:50:21):
Do you want to do right, kiddy?

Speaker 11 (01:50:23):
Yeah, he did not retire to avoid deployment.

Speaker 3 (01:50:25):
Did you just give this?

Speaker 11 (01:50:26):
Sure?

Speaker 10 (01:50:27):
Sort of you get a little bit of advanced notice
before you deploy, but you also have to put a
retirement package in about six to nine moster's coursework you
have to do before you chatter out or you retire out,
or whatever whatever you're doing to get out of the service.
So Walls had served twenty plus years. The idea that
he didn't he shorted his contract is wrong. You got
your twenty year letter. You are able to retire after that,
you can. You can serve out, and many do to

(01:50:49):
get the extra years and bump their the retirement pay
and benefits. He did achieve the rank of command sergeant major.
There are promotion orders to that. Now it's a conditional promotion,
and what happens when you get promoted to that is
you have to complete coursework over a specific amount of
time in order to retain that rank and have that
rank for your retirement benefits. But he did work in

(01:51:09):
that rank, he did have that rank, and he was
paid in that rank. What happened to is he decided
to retire, which was well within his right. And when
you do, you go through a retirement board and there's
a packet you go through, they check off your your
physical stuff to make sure there's no physical problems, going
to pay for later or document those that kind of stuff.
There's all kinds of paperwork to go through, getting your
awards correct, all this kind of stuff. And then, in

(01:51:31):
this particular case, because he had not completed required coursework
for command start major, he was administratively reduced to EID
for pay and benefit purposes.

Speaker 11 (01:51:38):
And that's it. You can claim, I.

Speaker 10 (01:51:40):
Mean, you can technically claim you are a retired command
sergeant major. In this particular case, you cannot say the
phrase I retired as a command sergeant major because he
was administratively reduced to master sergeant.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
So the question that I have is has his campaign
released the date of his request for retirement? Because I mean,
it seems to me, like I know the military, I
know they have paperwork, so it would seem to me
to be very simple to produce that documentation.

Speaker 10 (01:52:03):
There are all multiple FLOWER requests out there, Freedom Information
Act requests out there for people to do that. I
will say, I have seen some documentation, so and I
will tell you that the documentation that I have seen
shows that he submitted his request for a retirement before
the mobilization order came.

Speaker 3 (01:52:18):
Now, I can't.

Speaker 11 (01:52:19):
I don't know if.

Speaker 10 (01:52:20):
He knew that a mobilization order was coming. I can't,
and I don't want to speculate. I don't know that
that is still out there. I don't know when the
warno came down on them. Okay, Well, what I can
tell you is he definitely submitted the packet before the
mobilization order and and you know that was what March
of March of two thousand and five. The order came
in neither May or June, if you have to go
back a look mayor June of two thousand and five.
They didn't deploy until six months after that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
And you know, not to downplay a stolen valor instance,
but for me, stolen valor is when someone clearly claims
to be something that they are not. They clearly claimed
to have done things that they did not.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
They claim to be a special operator, They claimed to
have a silver star.

Speaker 10 (01:52:56):
Yeah, bronze star, SilverStar, you know, medals that you didn't
get in it, and especially in I don't think he's
doing that here. I think he's using the brightest language
to color up in otherwise careers and I'll say, you know, again,
I don't want to. I will never blast anybody's service,
but I will say somebody was in twenty four years
as a command sergeant major who only came away with

(01:53:18):
with what is it in ar common two AAMS? That
means you didn't work, That means you didn't see much
to arcam's or Army Commendation Medals AMS or Army Achievement Medals.
I mean, I served fifteen and I'd have to go
back and look. I believe I had nine AMS, and
I have to go back and.

Speaker 11 (01:53:32):
Look the number of ar coms.

Speaker 10 (01:53:33):
I don't want to misrepresent myself, but it's you know,
I mean like somebody who got that rank and only
had that that seems like someone who just didn't do
a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:53:40):
Is that possible because it was reserves?

Speaker 11 (01:53:43):
Almost because I was reserved for a large portion of mine.

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
Army loves to give commendations, they really.

Speaker 11 (01:53:49):
Do, and honestly do.

Speaker 10 (01:53:51):
And I'll tell you the Army Achievement Medal specifically, or
the Army Comment arcom or Army Achievement Medals. Those two
awards they're pretty they're pretty liberal with giving those out.
It's it's I'm not gonna say it'sassed out like candy,
but those are. They're pretty easy to get. Once you
start getting into narritory service medals, it gets a little
bit more difficult. And going up from there, you see
somebody who earned a bronze star.

Speaker 11 (01:54:09):
That's that's why.

Speaker 10 (01:54:10):
Yeah, that's what I would call a real award, like
you know, like msm'saw on down. I'm like, yeah, we
got those administratively for participation everything else. After that, then
you do anything about earning it right, you're earning it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:19):
Should we talk with Ben about your Politico peace?

Speaker 7 (01:54:22):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:54:23):
Yes, Ben, Actually I thought of you this week. Funny
story because after yesterday hearing you talk about your your
athleisure store that you shop at, different from the shop.

Speaker 3 (01:54:30):
That you thought.

Speaker 11 (01:54:31):
We're not talking about courting quantum errors. I heard something
about this yesterday. We want to get into like LVP and.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
The lock kind of stuff cross and I knew enough
about it. I'm happy to talking to a physinicist for
twenty five minutes. We probably could. I came here for
that interview feeling dumber than I did before. Completely. Oh,
we got to do something first, because all season long
we are giving away tickets to Broncos games, and right
now we are registering people to win a pair of
season tickets to see the Broncos this season. Here's what

(01:54:58):
you gotta do. We're gonna do. Caller number three, caller
number three right now. Three O three seven to one,
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The field house at Broncos Park, powered by Common Spirit
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(01:55:19):
to win. The next chance to win coming up. I
don't have the actual time. Sometime in the next show.
Is it after Broncos? I mean after Rockies?

Speaker 3 (01:55:27):
Is it Neville Chamberlain?

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
That is incorrect. That is incorrect. The story then written
in Politico magazine by a men'swear writer is that Tim
Walls has added a new layer of conversation to the
presidential election with his choice of casual wear. His folks
see camo hat, his llll bean flannels, his his dirty
work boots. They just scream common man to this man's Well, if.

Speaker 10 (01:55:53):
We don't believe that hasn't been focus grouped, I don't
know what to tell you.

Speaker 11 (01:55:56):
I would tell you one thing real quick.

Speaker 10 (01:55:57):
That camouflage hat that he has that has the special
Yeaher's logo, that was a gift from the Special Operations Group.

Speaker 11 (01:56:02):
So I want people to understand he is not trying
to I have.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
A special opsicet as well.

Speaker 11 (01:56:06):
Well I don't I have one, and I haven't engraved.
You know, I've got a brave rifle.

Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
But nobody believes that I was in special.

Speaker 10 (01:56:12):
I don't have to clarify like oh ye like I
don't want people to think that that cap and that's
that cap he's worn for years.

Speaker 11 (01:56:18):
The rest of that, I mean, you can tell that's
focus groups. You know, you know how it is. Do
I do I undo the tie a little bit, roll.

Speaker 3 (01:56:23):
Up the sleeves.

Speaker 11 (01:56:24):
Yeah, So I looked like, man, I mean it's all
focus group data.

Speaker 10 (01:56:28):
That's stuff you know they go through, Uh, they go
through looks and photos on this and photograph and stuff.
As far as the the way I want to see there,
you know, I want to see you know, your your
first president presidential candidate's rock of the track suit. You
know you know I'm here for comfort, I'm here for speed, mobility.

Speaker 2 (01:56:44):
I do not want to see our president in a tracksuit.
I I I like decorum. I hate you know, although
I wear jeans with my life every I wear jeans
every day of my life. But I I honestly do
miss working in an office environment where you were supposed
to wear like pants.

Speaker 10 (01:56:58):
Like I appreciate that, Donald Trump, where's the you know,
the powertops and all that kind of stuff. I didn't
ever have a problem with Obama's tan suit or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:57:04):
It was a suit.

Speaker 2 (01:57:05):
My dad used to rock a tan suit, and every
time he woren't when he came to do something with me,
I'm just like, Dad, can we just have a no
tan suit rule with Mandy? Can we do this? And
this was like the nineties, Okay, this wasn't even like
now this. I was just a dad, no tan suit.
You look like you were an ambulance chaser.

Speaker 11 (01:57:21):
It's not I have a linen tan suit. It's not
a little different because then.

Speaker 2 (01:57:26):
You got a nice structure fabric with that. But a
polyester wolfbl polyester wolflan not a thing happening.

Speaker 1 (01:57:32):
Do we think that American voters will actually be swayed
into voting or not voting for somebody based on you know,
he dressed voters.

Speaker 10 (01:57:41):
Yeah, the entire premise behind that is you're going to
eventually have a debate between these vice presidential candidates, right,
and so what the Walls and Harris campaign is going
to do is attempted to paint Dvance as a Yale
lawyer financier instead of his Hillbilly ellogy sort of memoir
capping we're Tim Walls is actually that's what they're gonna do.

Speaker 11 (01:58:02):
That's the and so that's what you're getting.

Speaker 10 (01:58:03):
You're getting a visual reinforcement of that prior to that debate,
and that will seep into the American consciousness theoretically and
go from that.

Speaker 2 (01:58:10):
I will say jd Vance the speech at the RNC
was probably the best thing and the best uh you know,
way to unfurl his his history, and it just did
a really phenomenal job. And Tim Walls is, you know,
a lifetime teacher. They both have that kind of common
man feel to them. It just depends I think low
information voters. Yes, some of them will say the.

Speaker 10 (01:58:31):
Other part, and Walls will eventually, I mean I can
I can just tell based on some of the things
they have framed here, Walls will eventually make an eyeliner
joke about JD Vance or a guyeliners.

Speaker 2 (01:58:41):
He already made a couch joke.

Speaker 11 (01:58:42):
Yeah s, I saw it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:43):
That's just you know, I was like, come on, man's.

Speaker 11 (01:58:46):
Which is the putting all politics aside for a second.

Speaker 10 (01:58:49):
You know that there was a room full of Democratic
strategists with all his opposition research ready to go against JD.
Vance and some gen zer sitting there on Twitter makes
up a rumor about him at a couch and that's what sticks.

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
Yep, ye if it bleeds, it leads. I mean, you know,
it's it's that kind of training record, train wrecking thing.
So basically, I'm not gonna talk about the stolen valor
thing anymore because I just don't think it's a good
attack point when I have so many other attack points
that I can go out.

Speaker 10 (01:59:15):
I'm not gonna speak for all veterans and I against veterans.

Speaker 3 (01:59:18):
I know.

Speaker 11 (01:59:18):
It's been a spectrum of opinion.

Speaker 10 (01:59:20):
There are guys, and most of the ones that are
Trump voters are like this is a.

Speaker 11 (01:59:23):
You know, a big deal, a moost the hairs flowags
like it's not.

Speaker 10 (01:59:25):
The independent voters that I know, most of them are
just you know what, they both served.

Speaker 11 (01:59:30):
They both served honorably.

Speaker 10 (01:59:31):
Let's find let's let's talk about policy and not talking
about their service record.

Speaker 3 (01:59:34):
He put the uniform on.

Speaker 10 (01:59:35):
I really don't think people that didn't put it on
should be there trying to judge this, but.

Speaker 2 (01:59:39):
They will, because that's what politics is all about. All Right,
Tomorrow on the show, we actually have a normal show,
I mean for me and uh well, I mean you
never know. We've got doctor Gregory Jance on tomorrow and
it's about trauma, triumph over trauma. We're going to talk
to him. And then I have Jimmy Segenberger on because

(02:00:00):
this week has been the Tina Peters Trial of the
century and it has been beyond absurd exactly some of
the stuff that's happened. And I basically tasked Jimmy and like,
Jimmy watch the whole thing so I don't have to.
So he's been watching all of it and writing about it.
And so we're gonna do an update on that that story.
You know this we were talking earlier about, you know,

(02:00:23):
the messaging and stuff, and I said, if you have
the functioning Republican Party, rus, you're not a Republican, But
have you ever seen anything like what's going on right now. Nope,
I haven't either, and I've been around like some really
dumb people in dumb party politics. This is like I
think I'm gonna try and write a lifetime movie after this,
and I mean, why not? Or a Broadway musical. I

(02:00:45):
just need a composer. I can write the lyrics for
the for the songs, but I need a composer because
I can't write music.

Speaker 1 (02:00:50):
I just can't believe what goes through these people, says.
I actually think Tina Peter has probably believed at first
like maybe there was fad right, but then she just
like lost her mind.

Speaker 2 (02:01:00):
It's the George Gastanza defense. It's not a lie if
you believe it, right, So there you go.

Speaker 11 (02:01:04):
That's where I mean.

Speaker 10 (02:01:05):
I'm not rech I'm independent at this point, but that's
where the party lost me. It was a lot of
this in this current movement and momentum.

Speaker 2 (02:01:11):
Well, I thought I left the party, but I didn't
toggle something properly. So I'm still a Republican. So now
I'm just gonna sit here and rabble rows and get
these morons out. That's my only goal, get the morons out.
I want David Williams to have no future career at all.

Speaker 1 (02:01:25):
Well, and we also have to see, I mean, Dave
Williams probably will be booted, but are they going to
replace him with somebody who's really better or who's some
like just a mini me of Dave Williams with a
little less grift.

Speaker 2 (02:01:37):
Yeah, we shall see, I mean a little less grift.
That's the impossibly low standards to go over. The grist
is so high right now, it's not even funny. So
that is all coming up tomorrow, so stick around for that.
We are broadcasting live from Broncos training camp. Thanks to
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Speaker 11 (02:01:59):
They got pickleball courts. I think they have a black
light pickle ball court. If they do on Friday nights.

Speaker 2 (02:02:03):
How hard is it to get a court there?

Speaker 11 (02:02:05):
It was easy to think you should throw that Mandy con.

Speaker 2 (02:02:09):
Conall, Mamaron, Yeah, I say, do you know who I am?
And they're like, decidedly no, we have no idea.

Speaker 3 (02:02:13):
Deliveries are the back Yeah, Rockies game.

Speaker 2 (02:02:16):
Rockies game coming up now, can't wait? Sports after that