11-19-25 FULL SHOW - It's The Annual KOA Food Drive At King Soopers!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
For the KOA Holiday food drive. We are out today
at King Soopers at Colorado and Yale and thrilled to
be here, greeted by happy faces and nice people. I
didn't think I was going to make it in time,
but here I am, Anthony Rodriguez here with me in
a quartership sweater looking sharp as There you go. We

(00:20):
would love for you to come down and hang out.
We're going to join us out there you go, There
you go. Zach Seger's back at the studio. Try to
keep us on the air and you know, keep things
running at a reasonable level. Now, we'd love for you
to stop by and make a donation. And I'm just
going to say this. We do this every single year.
We love to help out the Food Bank of the Rockies.
And I've said this, We've talked about this on the

(00:42):
show this year. The need is pretty acute, and we
have some economic news that isn't great. We know here
in Colorado things are obscenely expensive. We can go on
and on about the reasons for all of that, but
the reality is is there's a lot of families who
need help. And yes, we have talked about people who
have been using the system for years, and years. But

(01:02):
we also need to think about the people who are
working and barely getting by and want to provide a
great Thanksgiving and Christmas for their families. And that's who
I think of when we come out and do this
every single year. And we're at the corner of Colorado
and Yale. Okay, we're not directly at the corner of
Colorado and Yale. We are how many yards away? Like

(01:22):
four hundred yards away from the corner.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Of Colorado to say, oh yeah, sure, I'd.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Say four hundred. You know, we're in the plaza with
the Marshalls and the office depot and the Platos and
the pet Sparty. We're saying right in front of the
King Soupers. And every year when we do this, I
take a great deal of pride in making sure that
we collect the most food between noon and three, because
that's when we're going to be here. Not to disparage
the listeners of KOA Sports or Broncos Country tonight and

(01:49):
will also be here this afternoon and this evening. But
I think you guys are the best, and I'd love
for you to come down and make a donation. I
will be making a little donation at the end of
the show, and I'd love to have just boxes and
boxes for Food Bank of the Rockies by the end
of my show today.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
At three, I've got my big load in the car
ray to come out in their first break. I got
a big bunch of Hoole stuff to day nice.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
So that's all gonna be here. You can also donate cash.
We've got a QR code that you can use to
donate cash. And just so appreciative to everybody who makes
this broadcast possible. We've got to thank Redbird Farms and
I love their chicken and GMC Dealers of Colorado, so
we're going to talk to the president of that GMC

(02:30):
Buick Dealers Group of Colorado shortly. I'm not sure did
we ever get a firm time at some point during
the show today, but they all make this possible and
hopefully we're going to help make a dent in the
need for Food Bank of the Rockies during the day today.
So let's get back to what we normally do, which
is the show, because the show must go on even
as we're broadcasting live. So let's do the blog. Shall

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We find the blog by going to mandy'sblog dot com.
That's mandy'sblog dot com. Look for the headline and in
the latest post section. You go to the latest post
section and then you look for the headline that says
eleven nineteen twenty five blog It's the annual Kawa food
Drive at King Supers. Click on that and here are
the headlines you will find.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Within Anyone's listening office. Half and Argon all with ships
and cremas and c A Press plays.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Today on the blog. Come see me at King Supers.
At Colorado and Yale, Dave Fraser will be doing Whether
Wednesday Live with Me. Colorado Democrats are being investigated. We
may be headed for blackouts. Mike Rosen talks Mammy and
the Big Apple. The Aurora Navigation Center is up and
running as Denver hires a shady, holmeless company to do
a vague FI when asking for accountability is bad? So

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when will the epstcene stuff be released? Republicans are trying
to polish a healthcare urn. Should you be able to
buy lottery tickets with credit cards? Joys to avoid this
holiday season include AI don't burn your house down, frying
a turkey. Nick Offerman offers woodworking class. AI is still
just making stuff up. Parasocial is Cambridge's word of the Year.

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Nanobots may deliver your next dose of medication. You may
want to avoid mile high skydiving. The skinning on Disney's
Live Action Business. Can you beat a Rod? This is
an interesting movie snack. When Home Depot comes to the
White House, giving Bo a nickname is hard. Those are
the headlines on the blog at mandy'sblog dot com.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Tach tone a winner.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yay, that wasn't really Nancy. That was a rod doing
Tictac total winner. But I'll take it. So you may wonder,
what are you trying to beat a rod at? Doing
a rod? You looked up this, hang on, I'm doing
a radio show. Yeah, it's okay, Arod. What are people
trying to beat you at? What unfortunate stat did you
rum run across.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Total commute per year? Because our friends in the KAI
newsroom were reporting on a study yesterday that on average
denveright spend seventy six hours I think it was in
traffic a year, right, Hey, yeah, I did the math, Manny,
and I really wish I hadn't. Oh no, I'm looking
at about five hundred hours a year in traffic. It's

(05:09):
just worked commutely insane. Two hours a day, five days
a week, fifty two weeks. That's my math.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah's that hurt my heart.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
That's why I now justify having a brand new car
because I spend that much time in it.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
I have three hundred and twenty hours of community just work,
just work, really work, because forty minutes keep from the office.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
If anyone has to be I really want to find
that person and shake their hand, apologize and give them
a hug and say I'm here.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
But I mean, there are people who enjoy driving. I don't.
And it's not that I hate it. It's just I
don't love it. It's not something I look forward to
and if I could. That's why I'm ready for myself
driving car, because if I had a self driving car,
that forty minute commute could be used doing something productive
like getting ready for the show. Well, right now, it's
just me driving my car. There's nothing productive about that

(05:58):
other than it gets me from point A to point B.
It's a waste of time. That's how I feel about driving.
Driving is a waste of time. I want teleportation and
everything is fine.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
To your point, the amount of work I would get done.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yes, can you imagine I would have to work at
home exactly. You can knock out all your editings. I mean,
you can do everything in a self driving car. This
is I'm telling you, this is I'm ready. I'm totally
ready now, you guys. I had a Thanksgiving topic on
yesterday's blog that we did not get to, but I
want to get to it today because it's interesting when
you see economists say, hey, it's going to cost you

(06:33):
X amount of dollars. Thank you, nice lady. We ingreciate
you when you you know it's gonna cost X amount
of dollars for you to do Thanksgiving dinner this year.
And then you see Walmart, Amazon, all of these big
companies are offering these prepackaged boxes essentially Thanksgiving in the
box everything you need. And it's not crappy stuff.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
You guys.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
It's like really good stuff. And they're saying Walmart say, look,
this will feed ten now I mean ten with no leftovers. Okay,
I'm just let's be realistic. It's not gonna feed actual
ten hungry people, but for forty bucks. So it's interesting
to me, like, how are how where are you guys
gonna be for Thanksgiving?

Speaker 5 (07:12):
Ay?

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Run on a cruise ship.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Oh you don't even worry about on a cruise.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
It's gonna be really weird. It's the first Thanksgiving where
we are not at my parents. It's a yearly tradition
every years, so it's gonna be a little weird. Well,
we get used to a gonna celebrate Thanksgiving. I thank
Christmas week.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
They they do have turkey. It's not like they don't.
They don't. You don't like run into it, you know,
I mean, you don't like they don't go you. It's
a little bit of a holiday letdown.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Let me say, let me I anticipated that, Yeah, a
friends giving kind of like to celebrate, and then we're
doing Thanksgiving with my parents next year. So if there
isn't even a shred up turkey, I'll be okay with it.
But disappoint it's on the ship. It is.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Well, it's an American holiday though, you know what I mean.
It's like when you go for Christmas, they kind of
celebrate Christmas because that's a big deal. But Thanksgiving not.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
In the ship. Out of money, you know that it's
your birthday, right, I mean, they better I take it back,
they do because they offer me an upgrade and they
cited that it was my birthday. So I think that's
what got us the upgrade.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, so make sure because you also get like they're
gonna give you a cake and stuff. That's kind of fun. Yeah,
that's that's super fun.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
All right, guys, we have a lot of stuff on
our plate today. I've got Jimmy Secondburger popping in at
one o'clock to talk about his column. The stuff that
is happening right now. I think that we need to
make a new sitcom called school Board Okay, and we're
gonna take everything that school boards all over the metro
area do, like the dumbest stuff they do, and we're

(08:35):
just gonna put it in a sitcom. Because the stuff
that happens at the Denver Public schools there's like seven
episodes already. We can have a sitcom of just the
dumb stuff they do. And Jimmy wrote a great column
about the recent censure of John young Quist, which was
just beyond absurd, and we're gonna talk to Jimmy about
that at one Dave Fraser is going to be doing

(08:56):
Weather Wednesday here with us at twelve thirty. We're pretty sure, Dave,
if you're listening, and you're not going to let us know.
Traffic sucks though coming up from down south, I do
know that. And in the meantime, we are again collecting
food items at the corner of Colorado and Yale at
the King Soupers. This is our big holiday food drive
and I would love it if you guys would come

(09:16):
down and say hello and make a donation to the
Food Bank of the Rockies. So that's what's happening now.
I got to jump in here because we have an
interesting story and I saw it not too long ago,
but it's gotten more interesting because now there's an official
ethics investigation into this. I forgot to link to the
Denverguseette story. There's a group of Democrats who went to

(09:40):
a swankie resort in Vail, and they went to a
conference and it was a conference that was put on
by business people, and they had access and they made
their little presentations about what's important. I mean, I'm thinking
I think this is what happened, because we're not totally
sure because well, it was like a private thing, right,
So someone filed a because apparently an organization paid for

(10:04):
the lodging, traveling food of the lawmakers which is pretty
clearly a violation of their ethics rules that say they
cannot accept gifts of more than seventy five dollars and
they have to report everything and all of this stuff. So,
I mean, on the face of it, it looks like
an ethics violation. So what does that even mean. It
means that when or if they are found guilty of

(10:26):
this ethics violation, they're going to have to pay a
fine that is double the value of whatever they received
in the gift. Right, and I'm guessing in this case,
you know, a couple thousand dollars. It's not going to
be a million dollars by any stretch of the imagination.
So the crime, if you will, is the crime of
accepting a gift over the seventy five dollars limit from

(10:48):
people who wanted to lobby you, and they did it
in private and did not do it in the public eye.
So Colorado Common Cause filed complaints against the Colorado Opportunity
Cost and the complaints state that this was in violation. Now,
the reason I'm bringing this up is because the Democrats,

(11:10):
without admitting that they know they did the wrong thing
and that they know they violated ethics rules, by doing it.
They're now righteously indignant over this, and listen to this,
just just listen to this. The head of the Colorado
Democratic Party, Sean marieb said, Colorado Democrats hold ourselves to
the highest ethical standards, and that includes allowing the Independent

(11:33):
Ethics Commission to do its work without political gains. The
lawmakers have already taken good faith steps to address the
situation before the IEC by making a sizable contribution to
the Food Bank of the Rockies, regardless of whether they
believe a violation occurred. If the filer were acting in
good faith, these complaints would be withdrawn. I applaud Senator

(11:57):
Lindsay Daughtry for taking swift action and appreciate her initiative.
So basically, what he's saying is, we didn't do anything,
but just in case we did something, which we're saying,
we're not dead, then we're gonna make a donation of
the Food Bank of the Rockies, which is apropos of nothing.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they chose Food Bank
of the Rockies to make a contribution. I think that's wonderful,
but it does not erase the fact that they just

(12:19):
decided to play lucy and goosey with the ethics rules,
and when they got caught, they tried to make a
donation to a charity to get out of it. We
don't do Catholic dispensations. That's not how any of this works.
And the reality is, guys, these none of these folks
will be held accountable in any way by the voters

(12:40):
in their district. The districts in Colorado are are mostly
so safe that it really doesn't matter what they do,
and they're gonna have to pay a fine or whatever.
It'll be fine, and then by the time the next
election rolls around, it'll mean nothing. That's the sad truth.
This kind of stuff goes on all the time, and
it's just the cost of doing business. And the business,

(13:00):
by the way, gets them a free trip to Veil.
So congratulations on the great donation to Foodbank at the Rockies.
We really appreciate that. But yet another example of the
Democrats in this state knowing that they have such a
choke hold on everything that they don't even have to
pretend to follow the rules that everybody else is expected

(13:20):
to follow. And for anybody who says, manny, this isn't
that big a deal. I would like to ask you
a question. If the Republican Caucus was found to have
done the same thing, what would the headlines be. I'll
tell you. I'll tell you what the headlines would be.
The headlines would be Republicans in the pocket of big business.
Big business buys Republicans. That's the way it is. So

(13:42):
to try and just make this like, no, we made
a simple mistaken error. When you're a lawmaker, you have
to go through the ethics training. It's part of your
onboarding to be a lawmaker. And I've had to sit
through the ethics flight training in another state that has
very similar stuff to this. Everything has to be disclosed.
I think there's any question disclosed it. That's the whole

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thing is, like, if there's any question disclosed, disclosed, disclose.
And here's an organization coming up and saying, hey, we're
gonna pay for your really expensive hotel rooms, we're gonna
pay for your food, We're gonna even give you travel
money to get there. Nobody thought for a second ago,
you know, maybe this violates the ethics. Of course they did.
But if they dismissed it because they know it doesn't

(14:23):
really matter and I hate to be like that, but
that's the reality of living in a in a single
party state. And guess what, kids, I mean, it happens
on the other side as well, in states where you
know you have single republican rules. There's a lot of
bad actors that are allowed to sort of float around
because they enjoy the protection of that single party rule.
It's just gross. I mean, it's really really gross. But

(14:46):
here we are. This is the world we live in.
A couple other things that I want to talk about today,
not the least of which I forgot to put links
to everything this morning. Ay Rod, don't say anything, you know, technology,
shut up, just shut up.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
I forget where you are.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Luckily I remember where I got the stories, so I
can tell you. I got a couple of things on
the blog today. One is a column for Mike Rosen
that is so perfectly Mike. If you're a fan of
Mike Rosen, today's column is like a chef's kiss of
Mike rosen us. It is about what will happen when
zorroon mom Donnie gets his way in New York City,
and I wish he was wrong, but unfortunately for the

(15:27):
people of New York he's going to be right, as
he often is. But if you enjoy Mark's or sense
of humor when it comes to political commentary, you will
very much enjoy this column. Now, somebody sent me an
email yesterday and said, Mandy, I don't understand why young
people are so enamored of socialism, and a lot of

(15:49):
people are genuinely confused. So I thought I would take
just a real quick like a little quick take in
this segment of the show to give you an idea
of what's actually happening. First of all, we're teaching kids
in school that America is bad. I mean, that's just
the facts. It starts with kids in school learning that
America is bad. That's the beginning of the problem. And
then we send them to universities where they are not

(16:11):
only told America is bad, that every part of Western
culture is all about oppressor versus oppressed. Therefore Western culture
is bad. That's why we have young people who think
that they're going to go and oh my gosh, I
totally forgot about this a rod So I went to
I was watching a video on YouTube of a young man,

(16:33):
a British Man, who decided he was going to go
check out Afghanistan. Just see what was happening in Afghanistan. Guys.
It's comical. He left after three hours because he got
so scared of being in this country. And yet you
see young people advocating for the same groups that behave
that way. Why would they do that, It's incredibly self destructive. Well,

(16:55):
the reality is is they've been told America is bad.
They don't feel like they can get ahead because not
all are they struggling because of the economic situations. They've
been told that they're now oppressed. Right, you're just being
oppressed by the older generations. So you've got this big
stew of stuff. You're oppressed, America is bad. You've got
to find something better. And then you have a guy

(17:15):
good looking who's very charismatic, who comes up and says
I can help and everything will be free. It's a
very seductive message. And the problem is that these young
people are not at a level in their lives and
their careers where they're paying the kind of tax burden
that makes them go, wait a minute, what.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Am I getting for this tax burden.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
They are completely completely devoid of knowledge of the damage
that socialism and communism have done. So what do we do.
First of all, let them get a little older. I
know it sounds like a trite thing to say, but
whenever people talk about how different this generation is, the
youngest gener I'm like, let them get a little older.
We were all stupid too when we were young. I mean,

(17:56):
I was so dumb that I'm embarrassed to think about
me and how dumb I was when I was young.
I'm grateful every day that I'm just every day I
wake up, I'm like, you know what, I'm not as
dumb as I was when I was twenty one. Thank
God for that. That's gratitude right there. So I want
to remind you guys, they will change, some of them,

(18:16):
and some of them will get their way. Seattle. You know,
we've talked a lot about New York, but Seattle just
selected a fully socialist mayor. She is going to be
an even bigger disaster for Seattle than Mom. Donnie is
going to be in New York and the rest of
us can watch and see what happens. This is the
beauty of the United States of America. You can incubate

(18:37):
these terribly stupid ideas in certain parts of the country. Unfortunately,
we seem to be doing it here in Colorado too.
When we get back, Dave Fraser is going to tell
us or are we going to break the record for
the latest snowfalling Denver. We'll find out next right here,
keep it on KOA is the KOA Holiday Food Drive.

(19:07):
We are taking donations for the Food Bank of the
Rockies and it is holiday time, but they are always
looking for things like beans, canned fruit, canned corn and
other vegetables, rice, pasta, cereal, peanut, butter, tuna, and my
favorite whole frozen turkeys. Now he's not a turkey, and
nor are his forecast turkeys. He's Dave Frasier with Fox

(19:29):
thirty one, live in a person right here in front
of King Souper. Is so good to see you, Dave. Yeah,
so good to see you guys as well.

Speaker 6 (19:35):
Thanks for having me down here again.

Speaker 7 (19:36):
This is a great event you guys put on and
hopefully everybody can come out. As you mentioned earlier, the
economy is a little tough and so anywhere we can
help out a big fantastic.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
And what a glorious day to be sitting out in
front of a grocery store, perfect weather. Are we going
to beat our latest first snow because our potential first
snow now looks like it's just going to be rain.
It is, it is.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (19:57):
We've been saying for the last few days that, you
know what, we thought there might be a few snowflakes
mixing in above say six thousand, sixty five hundred feet.
That chance is now up over seven thousand feet. We've
been saying since Monday, Denver's first chance of snow is
not coming with this Thursday Friday.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
It's just that's crazy.

Speaker 7 (20:14):
Yes, we're climbing out where we're climbing the list of
latest dates, top ten list for latest states. I think
on Friday we'll be tied for number two on the
top ten list for latest dates, and then we continue
to count up the list as well for snowless streaks.
When was the last time we had snow? So the
last measurable snow was April eighteenth of this year, and

(20:35):
we continue to tack on days now to thirty two
is the longest stretch, two hundred and thirty two days,
and the latest date of the first snow is December tenth.
They both happen to be the same year, okay, twenty one,
so we would have to be twenty twenty one.

Speaker 6 (20:49):
I will tell you that my confidence is low. That
will beat December tenth.

Speaker 7 (20:53):
Okay, I actually think, based on what I was looking
at this morning before coming down here, it's not happening
Thursday Friday, but next Whenesday day?

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Right, Yes, exactly, exactly for snow of the year, whateverybody
forgets how to drive.

Speaker 6 (21:08):
We've been saying for weeks that you know it would
trend cooler. It has been cooler since the weekend.

Speaker 7 (21:14):
We will continue to trend cooler through the weekend coming up,
and then next week it looks like well, I think
Thanksgiving will be driving. It's going to be like thirty
eight degrees and I think Wednesday before there could be
some snow.

Speaker 6 (21:24):
Is that enough to get us accumulation? My confidence is up.

Speaker 7 (21:27):
Not one hundred percent, though we've been fooled way too
many times this fall, way too many times.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
I want to get I just realized I forgot to
open up my text line today so people can't text questions.
I'm all discombobulated because I got here late.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
You get combobulated. It's time for my selfish questions sponsored
by my Peace of Mind. This Friday, This Friday morning,
this little rain mixed forgetting is when I'm.

Speaker 6 (21:48):
Kind of hearing you're questioning a flight out of Denver.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
No, of course, not no, possibly not a right eye
on Friday night that I might or might not have.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
You're fine by Friday night. You should be good.

Speaker 6 (21:56):
Yeah, you're fine.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
You're fine.

Speaker 6 (21:58):
Look, it's going to be rain out at the airport
at best.

Speaker 7 (22:01):
I don't see the good thing is a rod I
don't see a lot of wind with this.

Speaker 6 (22:05):
You can always have some delays coming in and out
if the ceiling's low. I just don't see a huge problem.

Speaker 7 (22:10):
I think you're off to pastures that take you out
on the ocean.

Speaker 6 (22:14):
Is what it sounds like to make perfect.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Thank you think you're good to go. So let me
ask this question, because what does this mean on my computers?
Making sure it's me? What does this mean? It does
a late for snow. There's like that old wives tale.
Oh it doesn't snow until much later. Then we get
a bunch of snow over the winter. Is there any
truth to that?

Speaker 6 (22:34):
No, they're not connected as you would think. Patterns or patterns.
They break, they change, they grow.

Speaker 7 (22:41):
But I will say this, one of the first things
we did a couple of weeks ago when we were
eyeing this, you know, chance for latest snow was we
looked at twenty twenty one, which was that December tenth day,
and we looked, and every month December ended up with
measurable snow, and then every month that followed January, February, March,
and even April. January, for March had more than a
foot of snow, and April had snow.

Speaker 6 (23:02):
And they had snow that year.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
There is some true to that.

Speaker 7 (23:07):
So basically, because it started late in twenty twenty one,
it doesn't mean we ended up at like almost forty
eight inches. Now, that's about six or seven inches shy.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
For a normal season.

Speaker 6 (23:16):
But while we were so late getting into the winter.

Speaker 7 (23:18):
Season and starting it that year, we still had a
great winter season when it was all said and done
come the spring of twenty twenty two.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
You know, I am of all of the text mess questions, maydy,
where's the snow? Why is it?

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Why?

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Where's the snow? Why is it? But what are we
looking at in the high country? They should get so.

Speaker 7 (23:34):
Yeah, they're gonna they're definitely gonna get snow. They've had
waves of snow. The bad thing is there hasn't been
anything formidable. There hasn't been deep snow, you know what
I mean. I'm looking for totals that are six, twelve
or higher. We've been dealing with, you know, ones and fours,
twos and five. I think they'll start to see snow
somewhere in the two to six, but it's going to
be the San Juan Mountains that have the higher totals. Again,

(23:55):
because the incoming storm is a southern storm, it just
favors that part of the state a little more than
it does the central and northern vibes.

Speaker 6 (24:01):
But they'll get a couple of fresh inches of snow.

Speaker 7 (24:03):
Resorts have done a great job that if you and
I've talked about in the past few weeks. They do
such a great job with the snowguns and moving snow around.
The runs are open, but if you look off to
the side of the run, there's the bare ground, you know, right,
So Mother nature needs.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
To help up.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
How do you, guys, when you're doing the weather refer
to the machine made snow? Do you call it man
made snow? Machine made snow?

Speaker 7 (24:24):
I think that my knee jerk reaction is to say
man made snow, But some people ask it like, some
people call it fake snow, and I'm like, well, it's
not fake snow.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
It is snow.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
It's water, it is diverted to snow.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
We'll call it machine made snow like because I mean,
it's the same, really, but it is machine it's manufactured
by a machine, by the snow guns and everything. But
I got into it back and forth with a Texter
the other day, who keenan our news guy does a
great job. He had to use the phrase human made
snow human and I was like, well, I think an

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easier way would just be machine made. Then I figured
I would just ask you.

Speaker 7 (25:00):
I go with man made, because the man made the machine,
and the man has to determine when to turn the
machine on. You have to have the right ingredients, man made,
the contracts to get the waters to the machine.

Speaker 6 (25:09):
So I'll stand on man made.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Now, let me ask you this is this and the
answer is yes. Is this the most glorious fall that
you've ever experienced in your time in Colorado? Ye? I
gotta tell you, I haven't been year as long as
you have. Yes, But oh my goodness, if we could
dial this up every fall, I would be so overjoyed.

Speaker 7 (25:27):
So everyone that asks me the question that you just
asked is where's the snow is not asking it in
a mad tone.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
They're just like they're just like, where's where's the snow?

Speaker 6 (25:36):
They're just curious. But every single person's like, this has
been a fantastic fall.

Speaker 7 (25:40):
And the way I kind of equate the fall is
like I've had to rake not one weekend because we
had a hollacious windstorm, yet I've had to cup pick
up leaves over like a month month and a half.

Speaker 6 (25:52):
Just did it this past weekend as the final leaves
came down, But.

Speaker 7 (25:54):
My lawn is still green, and I've had to run
them all around a couple not to cut it safe
at the suck up leaves and everything that I'm like,
this is silly.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Oh, I just this was the year that I mulched everything.
I just, I well know, not everything. I don't mulch
pine needles because that's bad, oh yeah for your acidity.
But I mulched all my leaves and just left them there.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
So for when we get the snow, at least you'll
be able to see the snow is coming. I've been
meaning to ask you this. A buddy of mine I
went to college with as the chief meteorologies up in Portland.
When their radar went down recently, I don't know if
you heard about this, what would be your guys's plan
of attack for a couple couple of days out if
that happened here in Denver to you guys, if we
lost radar their radar up in Portland went out, I
guess for an extended period of time. It was crazy.

Speaker 7 (26:33):
And we've had radar outages at times too, and sometimes
they have to do maintenance on the radars and we
lose them. You know, Colorado is covered by five radars
the eastern Plains. We actually monitor the five National Weather
Service offices because they're responsible for different parts. So we
monitor Denver obviously, we monitor Boulder, we monitor Grand Junction
for the western slope, we monitor Pueblo, Goodland. Kansas actually

(26:55):
is responsible for a few counties in eastern Colorado. It's
their responsibility to trigger warnings for those counties, including tornado warnings.
They're not under Denver's office, and of course Cheyenne, Wyoming.
So I think we're okay. But you know the one
thing you would do in that instances, satellites can tell
you you can see cold tops on satellites and you
can also see ground observations to kind of see.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Come on, you just dust off the farmers all that
I can call it. That's what I'm thinking of.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
How much how much you revert to like old technology?

Speaker 7 (27:24):
Well, the old technology is what is the joke in
the meteorology community. It's called persistence forecast where you open
the window and you yell out to the next guy
down to the west and say, hey, what's it doing
a mile away?

Speaker 6 (27:35):
What's it doing ten miles away? And that's how you forecast,
called persistence forecast.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Dave Frazer, thanks for stoppingvited. I appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (27:41):
Listen, I just want to throw in my two cents
for anybody listening to us on KOA who watches me
on Fox thirty one in Coloradger's Channel two, Please do
your best to help these guys and get the food
to the Food Bank of the Rockies.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
The QR code is here.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
You can donate the.

Speaker 7 (27:53):
Cash the stores right here as well go in and
buy them whatever they need. Everybody needs to pitch in
and help, and I hope everyone has a safe and
great thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Amen to that. Nick Brazier. Thank you, We'll be right
back on ko. I just had a wonderful visit with Rob.
He is now a repeat offender. He comes every year
to donate and he brings a huge basket. Oh thank you,

(28:24):
let's go. Do we have a place for cash? Miranda
will take that from you, young squire, Thank you so much?

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Squire? What I love that?

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Well?

Speaker 1 (28:32):
You know, look at him, he's got money in his
hand for the food bank. That is a noble young.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Nice cut a haircut?

Speaker 3 (28:37):
What was that?

Speaker 2 (28:38):
I like that? I like that cut?

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Oh wait, what was your suggestion for Bodex? Yeah, let's
not do that. Okay, I've got another voice from Koa
here with me. Gina Gondek just happened to stop why
after her long morning doing fun? Is this what it's
like in the afternoon? Yes, Pepy, well, because I like
to before the show. But you know, how's your new

(29:02):
schedule going?

Speaker 8 (29:04):
Good?

Speaker 1 (29:04):
And good? You have custody of my friend Ross. Now,
I'm very sorry.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
I had to take over all the fun games that
you play, and I am not good at them.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
So I'm going to try my knees either is Ross.
Ross isn't good at those games. It's fine, it's fine,
but it's great.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
Ross Kominski on the news with Gina Gondek. You could
still get Colorado's morning news from five to six, and
then you have us from six to.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Nine, Michael Brown after that, you after that, and it's
still a great old party with all of us. You
know what, you never get to do this stuff though.
You don't have to come out because during the morning,
obviously no one's shopping at six o'clock. It's just dark
and yeah, and it's cold and it's miserable. But what
are some of the things that you have gotten to
do because I like doing this because this is for
Food Bank of the Rockies, and especially this year, we

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know that food insecurity is at a really really big number.
And we're not just talking about you know, the stereotypical
like like people that we sort of make fun of
who gain the system. We're talking about real families and
we're talking about real working people who are really having
a hard time making ends meet. What kind of charitable
things have you gotten to do in the past in

(30:11):
your other gigs that you enjoyed the most, like what
they touch your heart?

Speaker 5 (30:14):
Definitely coming up Colorado Gives Day and getting Tuesday. It
is an awesome opportunity.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
While I don't get to be out and about and
doing things like that.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
We're able to bring on so many different organizations that
are really asking for your charitable donations during that time.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
So I really enjoy that.

Speaker 5 (30:29):
But I've done things in the past, and in Florida
with a children's hospital where we did an entire telethon
like twelve hours there and then you hear the stories
of the kids who you actually are sitting in front
of you, changing their lives.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
That that's really the lie. I did that one time
with the radio station, also in Florida and in Jacksonville,
but in Gainesville, and I literally could not get through
those stories without crying. It's just the incredibly moving thing
to do. But the reason I asked that is because
one of the great things about our job is that
we get to support Food Bank of the Rockies and

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we get to do it in such a big way
and ask people to participate with us, and is at
a time of Thanksgiving. I would like to ask people, like,
what what things? Because I know what touches my heart
for me. It's elderly people, it's kids, you know, it's veterans.
I'm married to one, but I've also seen what veterans
go through, and I always want people to just say, look, whatever,
wherever your heart is, put your put your efforts there

(31:25):
all right like, but whatever whatever makes you tick, thank
you so much, thank you, Thank you, young lady. Lots
and lots of soup coming to the Food Bank of
the Rockies right now. We'd love for you to make
a donation. We're going to be here all day till
nine o'clock. So if you ever wanted to harass Ben
alright in person, now's your chance.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Is he going to be here tonight. I'm wearing a
wet blanket. Bonus, Gina.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
It's so good to see you. Thank you. You guys
lucked out on the weather today to take care of
your us.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
I know.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
I'm so thank you guys. Thank you young man. And
that is a very sharp haircuts as well. This question
for you, Gina, are you sick of ross yet?

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Not yet yet?

Speaker 5 (32:05):
But it's literally into week two so I sure bolth
God yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Oh wait, here's a question, Ay, ron Nandy, you said
we can drop off turkeys today. Do I need to
bring a cage with me? Are you guys going to
provide cages that from the Illinois farm boy asking from Oklahoma.
So no turkey delivery for me this year, smarty pants.
I'll just say yes, Just say yes, Just say yes, guys.
I will put a link to donate. Why didn't I
put that on the blog today like an idiot?

Speaker 2 (32:29):
I'll do that on the technology.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
I know it is hard. When we get back, Jimmy
Singenberg is going to join us. He's got a great
column today. When you are on the Denver Public School
school board and you are a white male, you are
not allowed to ask hard questions.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Ever.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
We'll talk about that and more idiocy when we get back.
Keep it on KOA. I think that need is probably
worse than it's been in a very long time. A
lot of people are struggling to make ends meet. Working

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people are struggling to make ends meet. And this is
a phenomenal way. If you have enjoyed the blessings that
I have enjoyed this year, to be able to share
them with people who may not have had a great
year and are now trying to figure out how to
make their holidays for their families and their kids really outstanding.
So come on out. We're going to be here till
three o'clock, and I'm counting on my listeners to deliver,

(33:24):
as they do every single year. And I just added
to the blog today a link to the Food Bank
of the Rockies. If you just want to make a
direct donation, we would really appreciate that. As a matter
of fact, normally I go shopping, but today I might
actually just make a donation because the cash donations go
much further than what we can buy a King Supers,

(33:45):
because they have buying power at a wholesale level that
we don't have. So please, if you can, if you are,
you know as I am, highly blessed, I would love
for you to share those blessings with people who are
not having as good a year as we are. So
let's talk to one of my favorites, one of your favorites.
Do you hear him all the time when I'm on vacation.
As a matter of fact, you'll be hearing him over Christmas.

(34:06):
I believe he's Jimmy Sangenberger, and when he's not doing radio,
he is writing columns for the Denver Gazette and his
latest Jimmy. First of all, welcome back to the show.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Mandy thanks for having me, And it seems like it's
a beautiful day out there for you to be a
king super supporting such an important cause.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
It is a gorgeous day out here. And a little
bit earlier on the show, I was sort of talking
about I think that we need to and you and
I can do this. I mean, we can focus group this,
We can bring in more creative people than we are, Jimmy,
but we could almost make a sitcom out of what
happens at school boards around the metro area. And the

(34:47):
Denver school Board, of course, is the most target rich
environment when it comes to things to make a mockery of.
And I got to tell you this centure of John
young Quist is hilarious. It would be hilarious if it
wasn't so absurd. I'd love for you to bring people
up to speed on why the white male John young
Quist was sanctioned. And I do think that matters what

(35:08):
I just said, So what exactly happened at the Denver
Public school Board?

Speaker 3 (35:14):
You know, it is absurd that his race somehow matters,
but you're right it does, and that is because he
has been accused of racism, of treating staff in a
way that is racist with racial bias and mistreating staff.
There was an investigation that I think we're going to

(35:34):
find is into the six figures over one hundred thousand dollars,
looking into claims first alleged by Superintendent doctor Alex Morrero, who,
by the way, needs to go. It's really disappointing to me.
It doesn't look like he's going to go to Chicago.
When it appeared he might be going to Chicago and

(35:55):
now he won't be going. I mean, it's good for
the kids of Chicago. They don't have this with Alex
Morrero as superintendent ors CEO there, and that the kids
in Denver will continue to have to do. But I digress.
He sent a letter to the board with a number
of complaints about John young Quist and some allegations that
led to the board saying, you know what, let's launch

(36:17):
an investigation. And the investigation report, I think it was
twenty nine pages, is all anonymous, and it even complains
about the fact that when Morrero won somehow won Superintendent
of the Year, John young Quist didn't clap for him.

Speaker 9 (36:34):
When young qist is presented with data about the district,
it's not good enough, and apparently that's a bad thing,
when to me, it's a good thing to have a
school board member that's constantly drilling for more data and
to understand what's really going on. Apparently those things were
so offensive and some people who were.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Staffed, supposedly staff who were people of color, got offended
by it and took it in a racial direction. And
so last week he was censured by the board in
a five to one vote. Don young Quist Epshain, and
he was lambathed for his white privilege and white supremacist
culture and this and that, and yeah, you're right as shit.

(37:19):
Tom probably wouldn't even be able to do a justice
to the absurd of xpian.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
But here's the thing, Oh wow, turn me down there.
Here's the thing, Jimmy, it is.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
It is.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
It's comical because the investigation actually exonerated him, so he
was not you know, they said we could find no
no justification here, so they essentially wanted him to apologize
for anonymous accusations. I mean, think about that for a second.
Somebody comes to you and says, Jimmy Seckeberg, you have
been highly offensive, you have offended someone, and we're going

(37:53):
to need you to apologize. And you say, who did
I offend?

Speaker 2 (37:56):
And they go, that's not important.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
All you need to know is that you have been
wild the offensive and you need to apologize and take accountability.
And you're like, but I don't know what I'm doing.
They're like, that doesn't matter. I mean it is it
the comedy rights itself Jimmy.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Yes, Oh, absolutely yes. And the report did find that
they couldn't substantiate anything determining that he deliberately acted with
racial bias. But that's not enough for anything that they've
gone about. But instead they have spun it that way.
And what I thought was sort of the highlight of

(38:31):
the meeting. There were two main parts that really jumped
out of me. One was when John Youngquish specifically asked, basically,
what are the charges? What are the policies that I'm
being alleged to violate? And they literally talk about, oh,
you know, there's nothing specific. This is just based on
the letter of concern and the report. The reports that,
by the way, specifically says there were no substantiation of

(38:55):
deliberate racial bias. That does not back their claims and
in fact contradicts the claims, and those claims are all
based on anonymous sourcing. And the other thing was this
guy hashen coats, political activist, He's run several school board campaigns.
He's a mentor of one disgraced former school board member,

(39:18):
Tanny Anderson. He was in public comment during the meeting
prior to the center vote and literally based he literally
used the term chattle slavery to essentially consider defenders of
John Young quis to defenders of slave Bold who can't
make this stuff us.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
You know, I wish I didn't find it so funny,
because it's genuinely horrifying. The good news is is that
some of these idiots are are finally going to be
leaving the school board. What is their final school board meeting?
It was at it Is it over yet?

Speaker 3 (39:53):
No, Tomorrow tomorrow is the final meeting of this current board.
And then I think it's December second, thereabouts the week
after Thanksgiving though, that the new three board members will
be sworn in for their term. And unfortunately, the one
person who really has started to highlight racial allegations against

(40:16):
Young chist who was the one who said, oh, you
know what, we're just we're just talking about the report
and the the letter of concern from Superintendent Morrero we
don't have anything specific to tell you, John that we're
actually charging with or basing this on soci Gayton will
remain on the board. She's sort of allowage of era

(40:39):
that we've seen the last several years. But hopefully the
three new board members will act with the seriousness of purpose.
Of course, John young Quis will be there, and kimber Lycia,
who was the one, to her credit, the one no
vote on the on the board for the censure. And
then you will still have Morlene de la Rossa, who

(41:00):
unfortunately has turned out at least so far to be
a disappointment since she was elected a couple of years
ago in that big school safety wave of twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Right, So let me ask you something related but not related.
So I read the story about Marero not getting the
job in Chicago, removing himself from consideration after not admitting
he actually applied for the job. But I've been around
school board searches. You don't get made a finalist unless
you have actively applied for the job, so we know

(41:31):
he's lying. He also applied for a job in New
York City. So why are they taking the word of
a known liar, And why are They not asking why
exactly or how exactly are you applying for other jobs
when you're under contract with us?

Speaker 9 (41:44):
We know.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Part of what I wonder is the extent to which
this has been leveraged. Were constantly getting a better hundreds
per like to get something even more, because that's what
we saw this year when they rushed in April or
May to approved of this new contract for what's something
in the order of three hundred and thirty thousand dollars
a year or more than that. Yeah, and added in

(42:07):
more protection so it's harder to fire him without cause.
And the school boards should be able to say, you
know what this is, cause enough and list the items
and say we're considering this cause and you're gone. But no,
they made it tougher. What really gets me is that
they didn't come out with his evaluation until a couple

(42:27):
of weeks ago, months after they voted for this new contract.
And I think that was a play to keep morero
and that's what they have been hoping to do for
a while, especially given how CHAOTICPS is. I'm like, gout
them loose, but I think in their minds they're like,

(42:48):
we don't want to have the public technical of searching
for a new superintendent. We don't want to worry about that,
so we want to keep him. God. And now you.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Quantify mediocrity at the off right, you just you just
you basically by by saying that you were going to
keep a guy whose only claim of success is increased
graduation rates, which, Jimmy you know as well as I do.
That's the easiest metric to fool, right, because you just
keep passing kids along that don't they can't read or write,

(43:18):
and then they graduate and you're like, look at our
graduation rate. Well, you've got people who can't read and
write in your schools. It's just it's so bad. It's
so bad.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
What could is a diploma if you're not prepared for
the next step?

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Abxactly it is appropriate for.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
In the report, it talks about how upsets some anonymous
witness God about the fact that the graduation rate wasn't
acceptable to John young Quish, And here's Jimmy Sangenberger and
Mandy Cottle going, yeah, of course it isn't. And it's
not even just about the graduation rate. It's about whether
or not they're preparing. But then again, keep in mind

(44:00):
that Morrero was heralded. We're nearly meeting his seventy five
percent expectations, getting three seventy three point five percent, which.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Is a scheme.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
By the way, Well, I mean too evaluation.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Do you know what they call a doctor who has
a C? I mean a guy who has a C
average in medical school, they call him doctor? Okay, So
I mean a C is a CE, right, and it's
gonna get you passing now, Jimmy, I I love that
you are so engaged on this and that you work
so hard to keep us all informed, but we may
have to shift your focus now to some of the
shenanigans that are happening in the homeless movement. I got

(44:37):
some stories today that are that are really stellar examples
of bad governance getting worse. So do you ever dip
your toe into the into the industrial complex that is homelessness?

Speaker 3 (44:51):
I have, and I absolutely will if I have something
worth exposing, and it sounds like I just might.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Well, I've got a couple words for you to check out,
and one of them is Urban Alchemy, an organization, an
outfit that the Denver City Council just voted to give
eleven million dollars to. What are they doing they're doing
outreach now. If you look at their track record in
San Francisco, it has been an abject failure and there's
no metric to measure success. None, zero. So whatever happens,

(45:24):
they're still going to get their money, and no one's
gonna say, but did you do anything so urban alchemy.
We're going to talk about it after you and I
finish our chat. But I appreciate everything you're doing to
keep eyes on the school board. Although it doesn't seem
like voters pay much attention.

Speaker 5 (45:36):
Does it.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
You know, I think you you're right, except if there's
a massive sort of splash or tragedy that galvanizes voters
to make it change. And we saw that two years ago.
Unfortunately we didn't exactly see it today this year. Although
I do want to remind people Scott Assermon and Michelle Quadebaum,
two of the worst defenders on the Denver Public School

(46:00):
in recent history, are ousted by the voters. So that's
some good news at least, right holme ost.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
That is good news. But there will be less crying,
I believe, at school board meetings now, So we've got
that going towards Jimmy Sangenberger thanks for the great column.
I linked it on Today's blog so people can read
it and we will talk to you very soon, sir.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Awesome, Thanks, Mandy Happy, Thanks.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
All right, that's Jim. That is Jimmy Sengenberger. And you
know what this is like a cavalcade of celebrities. First
we had Gina Gondek and now everybody, it's Jesse Thomas,
the creator of Pioneers of the Game. You're pregame star
of the pregame show for so long.

Speaker 8 (46:38):
We're still looking for a sponsor for that sacred by
the way, So if you know anybody, email Mandy co
I'm fine.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
I'm gonna find one of my clients that should sponsor
got Fegment because it's my favorite.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
You just donated a crap toen of turkeys I did.
Those are the biggest turkeys I've ever seen. There's some
twenty four pounders in that buggy right there.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Okay, huge. So here's my turkey story that I have
from long long ago. I went to flew into Seattle
to go skiing in Whistler with some friends of mine.
So we it's Thanksgiving week, so we're driving across the
border and my friend says, oh, my chiropractor gave me
a turkey. I'm just gonna bring this turkey my chiropractor Jesse.
It was twenty six pounds. Wow. Wait, oh, it gets better.

(47:15):
So I've never cooked a turkey before in my life
ever have I ever done this? But I'm like, I
got this, but not ready for twenty six pounds. Then
we drive into Whistler, high altitude, so things don't cook
at high altitude the way that they're supposed to cook.
And I was living at sea level at this point,
so not only could I not breathe, Eventually, after like
seven hours in the oven, I ripped the turkey breast

(47:36):
off the bottom, put the bottom back in the oven,
and we finally had Thanksgiving.

Speaker 8 (47:40):
This was like right when chiropractors are giving away turkeys.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
That's just strange.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Did can you get with chiropractor gives out twenty.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
And then you crossed the border with it? Very bizarre story.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
And then and then well I'm guessing you just wanted
to make sure his business was going to be strong.
Like here, I know you have a bad back. Here's
a twenty seven pound turkey exactly for a single person.

Speaker 8 (48:00):
Come back in after putting that in and out of
the oven four or five times? Are you getting readjusted?

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (48:04):
What is Jesse Thomas's favorite Thanksgiving traditions?

Speaker 8 (48:07):
I'm a big dressing, but my mom used to make
this thing called a stuffed pumpkin which had like dates,
golden raisins sweet.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
It's really good. I can do dates, but I cannot
do raisin Yeah. I should be able to do raisins
because they're kind of texture wise similar to And we're
a big oyster stuffing my friend. Yeah, so that's the
best part. That is my Okay, my husband he likes
oyster stuffing. But what I find is if I don't
have numerous people eating oyster stuffing, I will eat the

(48:38):
entire pan myself. Nobody needs that.

Speaker 8 (48:40):
Well, my problem is I keep eating the raw oysters
before it gets a chance to get into the actual dressing.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
So that is where are you from originally?

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Are you really new?

Speaker 1 (48:50):
People are? Because I bring that up out here and
people are like.

Speaker 8 (48:52):
It was the German side of my dad. They always
did it so and I don't know if it's a
German thing, but we always did it ever since I
can remember.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
So growing up in Florida. Obviously, seafood is a big
part of everything. And oyster dressing was one of the
few things that my grandmother knew how to cook, and
that was like her calling card. And then I was like, okay, Nana,
I need this recipe and she was like, yeah, yeah,
I'll get it for you. Never did so, but I
winned it Nana and.

Speaker 8 (49:19):
Late traditional giblet gravy and all that stuff. So yeah,
it's hard to beat the gravy and the stuffing.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
I have a problem that my husband eats the giblets
after the man that I'm like, that really doesn't help
my gig gravy. I picked the deck. I sit there
and pick every bit of meat off, you know, because
it's so good.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
It is very good.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Okay, I haven't had a chance to talk to you
since we got a new press for the Bay.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
You have a chance to talk to him briefly.

Speaker 8 (49:45):
He was pretty busy the day of that press conference,
but I'm excited. I mean, the biggest word that he
kept using was culture. Change the culture, and that's what
they need to do around their Mandy. Yeah, there's hating
to lose and all.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Those they need to get the stink off.

Speaker 8 (49:58):
That's correct, that's correct, and he's uh, he's going to
start that process from day one.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
So do you know what he said at that press
conference that honestly like made hope blossom in my chest
was when he talked about course Field and he said,
I think that can be the best home field advantage
in baseball and instead of using it as the standard, well,
nobody wants to at Cower Field, for him to look
at that as a net positive erect is it was

(50:25):
so refreshing.

Speaker 8 (50:26):
Well, I can't tell you how many times people told me, well,
both teams have to play there, you know what I mean,
So both teams have to play, you might as well
use it to your advantage.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
So, and he's a super smart man.

Speaker 8 (50:35):
I mean you can't his mathematician stuff and his uh
saber metrics and all those things that he's done in
the past.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
So hopefully, uh, he.

Speaker 10 (50:42):
Didn't go too far into the specifics of his uh
been crazy, you know, for him to sit down and go,
let me tell you what I'm We've real I want
an interview with him, not not as a you know,
I'm not a sports show, but I'm.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
A fan sure, and I like talking to smart people.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
He's certain person I'm interested to know though, because he
was the guy and if you watched the movie Moneyball,
Jonah Hill's character was based on Paul D. Podesta and
all about the analytics, and he was really sort of
the face of using analytics in a way to craft
a baseball team and run a game budget. Yes, I

(51:18):
mean so he was kind of I want to know,
in as many many years now, because he's been doing
this for like thirty five years now, how much has
he come to realize that it can't just be about analytics,
because it's also.

Speaker 8 (51:31):
Got to be about gut, right, I know what I mean,
I'd honestly be curious to hear that as well. I mean,
at the end of the day, it's all planned, but
you still have to have players that can form on
the field exactly.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
And you've got yeah, and there are those stars that
don't you know, the guys that that don't have the
stats that make you go while that guy has a
chance to be a superstar, but they have the heart
and the grit, right, Yeah, that's intangible. Or in money Ball, well,
he gets on base, and what do we want?

Speaker 2 (51:57):
We want people that get on base exactly.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
You are a man who gets on Bassi's Jesse Thomas, everybody,
we got to take a break, Jesse. So good to
see you for your generous donation to the Food Bank
of the Rockies. If you want to stop by Colorado
and Yale. We are out in front of King Soupers
for our annual Koa food drive to benefit Food Bank
of the Rockies. And every year, you guys just come through,
and you're already coming through. We already have a bunch

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of carts, a bunch of turkeys. If you want to
make a donation. I added a link to today's blog
to just make a donation to Food Bank of the Rockies.
It's a tough year for a lot of people. And
you know, I'm not one of those people that's like,
let me tell you my favorite Bible verse because I
don't remember where it's from in the Bible, but I
just love the concept and the concept is too much
as given, much as expected. Right, So, if you've had

(52:43):
a phenomenal year, share the wealth, share your phenomenal blessings
with other people. And you could do that at Food
Bank of the Rockies. We will be right back. Thany Rodriguez,
who walked in the store purchased three ginormous turkeys, and

(53:06):
I chose to do differently. You can also make a donation.
It's easy. I put the link on the blog today
for food Bank at the Rockies, or you could just
go to Foodbankrockies dot org and click any of the
donation buttons. Anyway it works. We're so appreciative of those
of you who have taken the time to come out
and make a donation because my listeners always donate the
most food every single year, and you're continuing to do

(53:28):
that this year as well. Now I want to go
to the phones because we are being sponsored. Our event
out here tonight is being over. Today is being brought
to you by Redbird Farms and the Buick GMC Dealer Association.
And joining me now is Matt Boone, not only the
president of the Colorado Buick GMC Dealer Association, but also

(53:48):
a manager at Johnson Autoplaza. Long long time client here
that you hear Alan Roach talk about all the time
on KOWA. Matt, welcome to the program. Cool, got there?
Oh now I can hear you there. Great. It's technology
when I'm not in the studio, Matt is a little challenging.

(54:09):
So let me let me ask you this. You guys
at Johnson have been selling trucks for so long. What
is it about GMC that you love the most?

Speaker 4 (54:22):
Gosh, we always tell Roach whenever we're talking that the
number one word for GMC at Danali, which I mean,
Colorado loved cs and Colorida loved Danali's. So he just
keep you know, bringing Denali's and we'll keep selling them.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Now, let me ask you personally, Matt, how did you
get into the car business. I'm always curious.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
I actually started working at the dealership when I was
a sophomore in college, selling cars. And I've known that
Johnson family since I was about six years old, so
it's kind of been in my blood forever and kind
of like working for your own family out well.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
We are super, super super appreciative of the Colorado Buick
GMC Dealer Association for sponsoring our food drive out here today,
and I thought it would be nice for you to
just be able to talk about some of the stuff
you guys have going on it. Did I just see
you in my costco.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Possibly, I don't know. There's a lot going on with
Buick GMT. I actually just took over as the president
of the Association about a month ago. So Jab has
been very, very involved in previous years, so I'm just
trying to fill his shoes. He's been very active and
have a lot of stuff going on between the food
drive and other stuff with all the other you know,

(55:40):
there's i mean fifteen total GMC dealers that all help
out and contribute.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
You know.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
Locally, we do a bunch of stuff with the Adams
County Foster Care and we do a big toy drive
up of the dealership that should be finished up here
at the beginning of December.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
I love that because I love that you get everybody
involved when you are doing these these programs, and people
can participate in a myriad of ways. But what do
you guys got going on if somebody wants to buy
a view worker at GMC during the holiday season.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
Yeah, there's a bunch of great programs owing right now.
There's the Costco offer, which is up to twelve hundred
and fifty dollars of extra costco savings on Anycierra ev.
There's huge programs on the Sierra fifteen hundred, you know,
twelve thousand dollars in savings on certain fifteen hundreds, and
then you know, this time of the year is always
big on truck so it seems like all of the

(56:33):
heavy duty trucks have been flying out the or for December,
so we're getting ready and it should be a big
end of the year.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
All right, it's all happening at Colorado's view Can GMC Dealers.
Matt Moon, I really appreciate your time today, and again,
thank you and all of your dealer members for supporting
our food drive. We do this every year and it's
one of my favorite things we get to do every year,
and your sponsorship helps make that possible.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
Yeah, good luck, and thanks again for every thing. Have
fun down there.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Okay, all right, thanks Matt. That is Matt Moon from
the Colorado Buick GMC Dealer Association. Now I got some
stuff I want to talk about it. It's been a
really loosey goosey show because people keep showing up and
I just keep putting them on the air because I
like to. But there's a couple of big stories today
that I really want you to pay attention to. And
if you've listened to the show for any length of time,

(57:21):
you know we spend a lot of time talking about
homelessness and solutions to homelessness. Well, there are two things
in the news today that are something that I want
you to watch, Okay. One of them is Aurora's Navigation
Campus opened up. This has been hotly anticipated by me
because I really think that this is a far more

(57:44):
effective sort of program to really really reduce homelessness in
a significant and permanent way what we've seen lately from
the last I think, I don't know exactly what year
Housing First became caughtify into federal law as the program.
But Housing First with no obligation for sobriety or mental

(58:08):
health treatment or addiction treatment is a disaster. And people
are buying, They're dying of their addictions in these homeless shelters,
and it's terrible. Giving someone who is suffering from severe
mental illness or a severe addiction a place to live
just gives them a place to engage in unhealthy behaviors

(58:30):
that very well may lead to their death. That's the
harsh reality. Well, Aurora went in a different direction and
it finally opened up the Navigation Campus. It used to
be a Crown Plaza hotel on fortieth Avenue and it's
been in the works for a while. This is being
billed as a one stop shop for homelessness. And it
works like this and this is why I love it.

(58:52):
So they have a six hundred person facility. They open
on Monday. They chose an operator called Advanced Pathways, and
Advanced Pathways has reported that one hundred and sixty two
people use the day center on Monday and one hundred
and seventy six people stayed at the campus overnight. What

(59:12):
does that look like, Well, if you've ever been to
a homeless shelter, it's just rows and rows of cots.
It's not exactly welcoming and warming. But at the Aurora Center,
that is step one of the process. Okay, so there
is going to be those big rooms where people can
you know, go in the congregate the cots, and that
is zero barrier for shelter, meaning you can come in

(59:34):
and not deal with your addiction or your mental health.
That's tier one, what they call compassion. It's just people
who need a piece of place to sleep on any
given night. There's no sobriety work or other requirements if
you want to sleep in one of the two hundred
and eighty five cots. They also have like these large
open rooms on the first floor. Now Here's where it
gets interesting. Here's where it gets different. Tier two is

(59:57):
for people who are actually engaged with case manager and
are actually pursuing goals to help them get back on
their feet. Advance officials say it's named Courage because it
takes courage to face challenges holding people back from progress
now in Tier three. In Tier three, they have designated
rooms with one hundred and fourteen pods style living accommodations.

(01:00:20):
They're more private than the cots in Tier one, and
they include a bed, and they have a private storage space,
so now you've got a place to keep your stuff, right.
The second tier serves as a bridge between that emergency
shelter and fully independent living. Tier three is an actual room.
They include two hundred and twenty hotel style rooms with

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either one or two beds in a bathroom. That is
called the commitment level for those who have committed to
long term independent living. They can move up to Tier
three when they're employed and have taken the next big step,
but may still need casework and services that aren't ready
to move out of the center yet. So it is
a step up approach that moves people from living on

(01:01:02):
the streets to self sufficiency. Now that is not going
to be a straight line. That's not going to be easy.
So this is going to be fantastic. When we get
back from this break, I want to tell you what
Denver is doing the exact opposite and why we need
to watch what's going to happen next with a company
called Urban Alchemy. That's all after this. Keep it on Koa,

(01:01:24):
whether you are a small business or an individual getting crushed.
I got to address a couple of text messages. We
are out at King Super's at the corner of Colorado
and Yale. We're collecting food for Food Bank of the Rockies.

(01:01:45):
A Rod donated some turkeys. I donated some cash. We'd
love for you to donate whatever you feel like you
can do. We really really appreciate it, and there's a
lot of people in need this year. But I want
to thank a big, big shout out to let me
get down here. Ryan. He brought his son Devin with
a very cool haircut. They made a big donation. We

(01:02:06):
also have let me see here, Mandy, what's your favorite
way to cook a turkey? Please excute exclude frying. I
don't want to burn my house down this year. Maybe
next year. On the blog today at mandy'sblog dot com.
I have a video from our friends at Fox thirty one.
They actually did a demonstration on how easy it is
to burn your house down frying a turkey. And I
know someone who burned their entire house down trying to

(01:02:30):
fry a turkey in their garage. So if you're thinking
about frying a turkey, please know what you're doing and
watch the video on the blog. I like a turkey
that has been spatchcocked. You cut the backbone out of
the turkey and then you smash it flat and you
put it, you know, skin side up, but it's flat,
so the turkey cooks all even and it makes all

(01:02:50):
the skin all delicious. But you don't get the pretty
like bring it to the table and put the turkey down.
But let's be real, nobody does that. Okay, we all
cut the turkey in the kitchen and we all put
it out there, and I'll we let everybody get what
they want. You don't need the pretty turkey. You just
want turkey to taste good. And spatchcock a chicken is
by far the best way to cook a chicken or
a turkey or a chicken. Mandy just shot a turkey

(01:03:12):
on the way home from work. Can I donate that
if it has no feathers on it and it's been
completely dressed and you put it in a sealed bag
with a label on it, Sure I'll take that, Mandy.
How many non traditional dishes are allowed at Thanksgiving? Well,
one person's tradition would seem weird to someone else. So
I say, you make whatever you want it Thanksgiving. Whatever

(01:03:33):
your family loves, that's what you make at Thanksgiving. Mandy
just donated. Hopefully you get credit. I know it's not
a competition, but it is. No, it's a competition in
my mind. I am the only one, by the way,
who've used it that way. But I don't care. I
don't need people to actively participate in my competition for
me to have it. I'll just compete with people who
don't even know there's a competition going on all day long.

(01:03:54):
It's fine, absolutely fine. Now, Italian stuffing in or Italian
sausage and the stuffing. I will say that sounds delicious,
but I don't know if I would do it. Mandy.
We have a family tradition with corn, corn and oyster dressing.
There you go, ooh, Mandy, I like your vegetarian Thanksgiving story,
ay Red. Have you ever heard my time? I was

(01:04:16):
invited to a vegan Thanksgiving?

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Have you ever heard this story?

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Yes, I didn't know. I didn't know it was a
vegan Thanksgiving. I was a flight attendant and I had
to fly on Thanksgiving. But I flew to No. I
flew to New York, where my best friend at the
time was living, and she said, Hey, I've been invited
to this Thanksgiving with my friends and would you like
to go. I'm like, sure, let's do it. So I
go over and it is a Thanksgiving that is all

(01:04:43):
these women who are wickes, right, So it's all these
witches and they're having the Thanksgiving. And I walk into
this apartment in the East Village in New York and
there's no table. There's just a door that's on cinderblocks
on the floor, because that's kind of what you do
when you have a lot of people over in New York.
And I realize pretty quickly that there's no meat to

(01:05:03):
be seen at this Thanksgiving, right, No, no, no, no no.
So I look at my friend and I'm like, are
these people vegetarian? She's like, no, they're vegans, and I
was like, you brought me to a vegan Thanksgiving. Okay, here,
we are never one to cause a stir. I'm leaning
into the vegan Thanksgiving. So we sit down around the
door that's sit on the cinderblocks that we're going to

(01:05:24):
use as a table, and one of the women that
she's like, okay, let's hold hands. It's Thanksgiving, and she goes,
I would like to think the Goddess that no animals
had to die for this meal. And I said to
my friend under my breath, I had turkey last Sunday,
but I'm pretty sure he died of natural causes. And
then I just got the stink eye for the rest
of the meal because I made a joke about eating

(01:05:46):
a turkey, which was true. I had had turkey the
Sunday before with my family, but that was my vegan Thanksgiving.
It was all freaking lentils, Like how many ways can
you cook lentils? I had them all on that day,
every way you can cook lentils. They were all on
my table. And then like peas, like random peas. That
was it. So no thank you Vegan Thanksgiving. No thank you.

(01:06:08):
When we get back, I want to get into the
other side of the Aurora Homeless Navigation Center. Super interesting
what Denver is choosing to do, which is completely opposite
of what Aurora is doing. I'll give you the deats
so we can all pay attention. Keep it on KOA.

Speaker 11 (01:06:40):
Live from King Supers On Colorado and Yale till nine.
Gem It's the fifth annual KOA How Today Food Drive
benefiting Food Bank of the Rockies, presented.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
By Redburg Farms and Colorado Bewing GMC Dealers. Here's Mandy Connell.
All right, my friend, we are out here and we've
got a couple of big, big baskets at turkeys, and
we're so grateful to our sponsors, Redbird Farms and the
Colorado gmc beett GMC Dealers Association for sponsoring our broadcast

(01:07:13):
out here today because we're collecting food for the Food
Bank of the Rockies. It's been a really tough year
for many many people, and we want to help people
have a wonderful holiday season. I'm going to be here
until three. I will not be here until nine, but
the KOA Sports guys will be here next, followed by
Broncos Country tonight. So if you've ever wanted to harass
Ben Albright in person, slap on your wet blanket and

(01:07:33):
head on down from six to nine. Now, I got
a couple questions from the blog or excuse me the
text line spatchcock, What about the stuffing? Mandy. Well, you
can actually put the stuffing underneath the spatchcock bird and
get the exact same effect. And but you got to
grease the pan or the stuffing becomes a part of
the pan and it makes like a crispy bottom for

(01:07:54):
the stuffing. I'm just saying. I'm not saying try it
for this Thanksgiving. I'm just saying, maybe bust it out
later and give it a test drive. It's not as
bad as you can imagine, Mandy. I just donated one
hundred bucks to the Food Bank from your link. Hope
Mandy gets credit. Doesn't matter who gets credit, but I
will take it. Thank you. Mandy. Just heard your ad
for the Christmas lights and not wanting to get on
a ladder and face certain death. My wife tells me

(01:08:16):
no sacrifice is too great for Christmas. WILL tell her
that it will be a less expensive sacrifice to have
preferred lightscapes hang your lights than to go ahead and
pay that emergency room bill. Okay, so there you go,
and I want to talk about what just happened in
Denver when it comes to homelessness versus what's going on
in Aurora. If you were listening in the last hour,

(01:08:37):
the Aurora Navigation Campus just opened and they've already served
one hundred and seventy six people who are homeless. And
this is so much different in that it is structured
in three tiers, and those tiers start with you know,
you just come in and get out of the cold.
There's no no requirements, no sobriety, no work, no nothing,
just come in and get shelter. And then when you

(01:08:59):
demonstrate that you're committed to getting better, you move up
to a second tier with more privacy and you work
with your caseworkers. And then the third tier is well,
you get a hotel room that you can live in
that you can have your stuff and your things, but you,
as a person who needs help, have to do certain
things to get to that third level. I love this plan.
It's exactly the same way that step Denver works, which

(01:09:22):
is a phenomenal program you guys have been hearing about forever.
So what did they do in Denver instead? The Denver
City Council advanced a eleven million dollar contract with a
company called Urban Alchemy. What does urban Alchemy do well?
Urban Alchemy has gone from a nonprofit with you know,

(01:09:45):
one hundred thousand dollars in donations a year into a
multi million dollar operation all based on assisting the homeless.
Only here's the problem. Denver just is going to pay
them eleven million dollars over three years to hire what
they call outreach teams and community ambassadors to assist people

(01:10:08):
living on the streets. Now, that sounds very grandiose and
quite lovely, except when you ask the question what kind
of success metrics are we looking at? That's when things
get a little dodgy. And I did a little digging
today about Urban Alchemy, and in winter of this year,
in their winter twenty twenty five edition City Journal, which

(01:10:30):
is a phenomenal publication put out by the Manhattan Institute
in New York, they did a story on Urban Alchemy
and Urban Alchemy let me just let me just share
this with you. At its founding in twenty eighteen, Urban
Alchemy's annual revenue was thirty five thousand dollars, glean mainly
from contracts to operate public toilets. Today that figure exceeds

(01:10:53):
seventy million dollars, largely stemming from government contracts to perform
a range of addition public services, from running homeless shelters,
cleaning streets, and de escalating non urgent street conflicts across
seven cities nationwide. Well, what explains this growth. It is
the Progressive American's fatish interest in alternatives to policing. They

(01:11:19):
have managed to capitalize on the George Floyd riots in
a way that I just did not think was possible.
Urban Alchemy's employees are neither licensed as security guards nor
properly accredited in crisis management. They have been contracted to
respond to non emergency nine one one and three to
one to one homeless related calls, which again sounds great,

(01:11:40):
except there is no definition of what success looks like.
And this is where I'm like, why are we giving
them money? By the way, this place has had some
significant issues from their outreach. People who who are former
most of the time, people who used to live on
the streets themselves, and they pride themselves and saying, look,

(01:12:01):
these people have been where you have been. And I've
seen that in action in step Denver, and it can
be very effective. But these people are getting no training.
They're sending them out in the streets after a three
day online onboarding course. So what are we even doing?
Some on the city council, the Denver City Council express
some concern, and as a matter of fact, the Community

(01:12:23):
Planning and Housing Committee only voted four to two to
advance the three year initiative to a full vote. But nobody,
nobody can tell anybody what success looks like. How do
we measure that eleven million dollars was spent? Well? These
are the questions that people need to be asking, because
what we're seeing now is gobs and gobs and gobs

(01:12:45):
of money being thrown at a problem. You know what
well intentions, right? I mean, I'm just going to say
it's a well intentioned thing. But what we've done is
allow this industry that creates things like urban alchemy to
spring forth out of whole cloth, doing jobs that didn't exist,
and getting paid tons and tons of money to do
it with absolutely no metrics that they have to meet.

(01:13:07):
Does this seem like a recipe for disaster to anyone else?
Anyone and anyone. Can you not see how rife with
abuse this system could be. So what I would love
is for the city Council to actually ask the question,
how do we measure success? What exactly are they supposed
to accomplish? Because you and I, if you give me
eleven million dollars, I will spend the next three years

(01:13:29):
walking around downtown Denver every single day offering homeless people services.
That is what I will do for eleven million dollars.
And you know what, a vast majority of them will
not take the money or excuse me, will not take
the help. This is something we hear over and over
and over again. And to be clear, people living on
the streets are not there because they're in their right mind.

(01:13:51):
They're not there because everything is going well. They're there
because they have had probably likely terrific trauma in their lives.
They may be helf medicating with alcohol or drugs, they
may have a significant mental health issue. These are not
people that are going to make a rational decision. And
yet Denver is gonna throw eleven million dollars more at

(01:14:12):
an organization that is going to do what. I don't know.
Maybe somebody can answer the question. You can send it
to the Common Spirit Health text line at five six
six nine oh, just do that while we take a break.
We'll be back on KOA. All right, my friends, we

(01:14:41):
are at the corner of Colorado and Yale and we
are collecting food for the Food Bank of the Rockies.

Speaker 5 (01:14:47):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
It has been a tough year for a lot of
people this year, and we want to make their holiday
season a little bit better. And I am so proud
to do this. It's one of my favorite days every
single year when we do this, and I love that
my listener always bring it. They always donate a ton
of food during my show. And no, it's not a competition,
but for me, it's a competition. Okay. A lot of

(01:15:09):
you are making donations and sending me a text saying hey,
I went to Foodbank Rockies dot org and just made
a cash donation, which is what I did this year.
Anthony went big. And when I say big, I mean
he bought the biggest flip in turkeys you could find it.
What are you feeding like forty people with each of
those turkeys?

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
At least, I hope, so it's the least I can do.
I say this as the resident Turkey baby. I feel
like it's my job.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
For your people. Yes, Reading the Joy and the happiness.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Yeah, so that's the least I can do.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
Well, we appreciate everybody who is able to make donations
and you never know. I bet you that there are
people in this listening audience who are going to need
a little help this year, and hopefully we're collecting for
our fellow Mandy Connell. Listeners. Got some text messages that
I want to go through talking about the outreach program
that Denver is spending eleven million dollars on with apparently

(01:15:57):
no metric for success. Remember if you years ago when
they literally threw money at the problem and gave homeless
people cash, did we ever hear the long term outcome
from that? As a matter of fact, they did. But
the outcome you're talking about universal income programs. There's multiples
underway right now around the country. Now, what's interesting about
universal basic income is that this was an idea that

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was put forth by Milton Friedman, who is one of
the biggest free market economists that you're ever going to find.
So this is a this is an idea that has
transcended And last time, what's Yang's first name, the guy
who ran for office, Andrew Andrew Yang. Thank you Andrew Yang.
Made universal basic income a part of his campaign that

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vig Ramaswami has talked about it in the past. It's
an interesting concept, and they decided to do some small
test runs.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
What they found out was that people were much much happier.
That's what they found out. Someone's giving free money. It
did increase housing stability for people that were unsure of
their ability to remain in housing. There were upsides. But
now there was one in I believe Oakland that was

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stopped before it was finished, one in Iceland that was
stopped before it was finished because what they realized was
the benefits were not enough to justify the expense. So
there you go, Mandy. The biggest problem is problems make
people rich. Civilians say problem, Politicians say Kuching. Correct. Correct.

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That is a big, big part of it. Now I
want to get into this. I don't want to get
deep into this. But every year, the Public Interest Network
does a big study on toys and they present their
toys and wait trouble in Toyland list and it's all
the toys that are bad for your kids. And some
of them are obvious, like you don't give little little

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children something with high powered magnets because they will inevitably
swallow them and then they're testines will stick together. That's
pretty obvious, you know about that. But the biggest issue
in this year's toys is that now there are toys
that actually use chat bots as part of the toy.
Listen to this. This is this, in my mind, is like,

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if you were thinking about giving your child a cell
phone or anything with AI, you're not being a good parent.
And here's why. They said. Of our testing of four
toys that contain AI chat bots and interact with children,
we found that some of these toys will talk in
depth about sexually explicit topics, will offer advice on where

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a child can find matches or knives, act dismayed when
you say you have to leave, and have limited or
no parental controls. We also look at privacy concerns because
toys can record a child's voice and collect other sensitive
data by methods such as facial recognition scans. You guys,

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why why would you let this into your home? I mean,
back in my day, we were all excited about Teddy Ruxman,
who did nothing but was I'm Teddy Rexman and it
was the lamest s toy ever. But we were all
excited because it moved right. But no, it was completely
like bring back Teddy Ruxman. If your kid wants something
that moves, just find a Teddy Ruxsman on eBay and
give them that. Teddy's not gonna spy on you. Teddy's

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not going to record your information. Teddy's not gonna you
don't know what's going on these AI bots. I also
have another story on the blog about the misinformation still
being given out by Chat GPT and since I've made
Chat my assistant, when I get back, I'll tell you
how to navigate Chat. If you need real information, we'll
do that After this. Keep it on KOWA Live from

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King Supers on Colorado and Yale till nine pm.

Speaker 11 (01:20:21):
It's the fifth Anueal Kowa Holiday Food Drive benefiting Food
Bank of the Rockies.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Here's Mandy Connell. All right, my friends, you have one
half of an hour to come down and donate food
so I win the non existent contest between me and
all of the other shows on KOA. This is my
favorite day every single year. Love seeing you guys. I've
gotten to see some familiar faces people who've made this

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a tradition every single year. We got a big, old,
big ole cart full of turkeys and are looking for
any of those donations for people that maybe you are
struggling this year. I hope you can make it by
to say hello. Anthony is here as well. He donated turkeys.
I donated cash, so we got both ends covered. You
can also go to Foodbankrockies dot org and make a

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donation directly if you can't make it down here.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
I got a lot of little stories, but this one,
this one feels very personal to me. Cambridge Dictionary has
named its word of the year. Ayron, did you see
this story? Oh is this the I think it is parasocial?

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Oh no, not that one.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Oh no, so Cambridge. No, the Oxford made sixty seven. Yeah,
six seven was the word of the year.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Cambridge named the word parasocial. Para para social. Do you
know what parasocial? I did not know there was a
word for it, but I do know that I have
experienced this. The Dictionary defines parasocial as a quote connection
that someone feels between themselves and a famous person they
don't know, a character in a book, a film, TV series,

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et cetera. Or artificial intelligence or dare I say, lady
on the radio. And the reason I say this is
because it's always really funny to me when I meet
someone and they go, oh, my gosh, I listened to
the show for so long, how's the queue, How's Jinx,
How's Chuck? And they'll basically like list off all of
these things about my life that they picked up from

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listening on the show. As a matter of fact, a
guy brought me a bag today and said, I brought
you your favorite donuts.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Someone just told me have fun on the cruise exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
So we know nothing about you people except that you
have one thing in common, and that is this program, right.
So it's a very strange dynamic. But apparently parasocial was
named twenty twenty five Word of the Year because there
was so much interest in the last year around one
sided relationships with celebrities and influencers. And I got to

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tell you, like, when you look at Swifties and I'm
not picking on Swifties, don't think I am the mother
of a hardcore Swifty And I would never pick on
the Swifty Nation, just like I would never pick on
Beyonce's people either, because they come at you on social
media and it's kind of scary. There'll be no follow
up questions as to how I know that. But when
you're talking about Swifties and the level of engagement they

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have with Taylor Swift in her life, sometimes I do
think it borders on unhealthy, and it borders on unhealthy
when celebrities have relationships. And I'm going to use a
perfect example, Justin Bieber used to date Selena Gomez and
then they broke up, and then he got married to
someone else who's been married to now for a number

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of years, and yet there are still those Bieber fans
that can't stand to see him with anybody but Selena Gomes.
And I just got to tell you, if you're one
of those people that is unhealthy, that it's not something
you need to be that invested in. I mean, it's
very flattering on one respect that people do pay attention,
and I'm grateful for it to a certain point. Now,

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According to Harvard Health, the one sided bonds tend to
occur because of our natural tendency to link to others.
When people see the same faces over and over again,
whether it's in shows or in music, that you get
hooked in with an emotional connection and the thing I
really am worried about is that this is now happening
in AI to the extent. And I didn't put this

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story on the blog today because I ran out of
space and I ran out of time. I'm not gonna lie,
But there was a story that Arod sent me about
a woman who actually had a wedding to marry her
AI companion, yeah, that she had created. Now, this reminded
me of a performance art piece that I went to
in New York City. In an alley in New York City,

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a friend of mine said, do you want to go
see performance art. I'm like, I've never seen performance art.
Let's do it. So we go to this alley where
a wedding was being performed between a woman and herself.
She was marrying herself as a statement on something something
patriarchy blah blah blah. I have no idea what she
was doing. And the best part of the entire thing
was during the wedding, very loudly, when they were doing

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the wedding, as she was marrying herself, someone whispered extremely loudly,
it'll never last. And I died laughing. So how long
do you think the avatar or AI avatar marriage will
last a rod.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
The AI will outlast her. I can tell you that much.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
But the marriage, well, they aren't legally married. They can't
be so technically till now because they already aren't legally married.
I say, she breaks up with the AI in less
than a year, except the AI turns on her and
gets weird.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
I low, No, you have to put in the right commands.
And this is getting you to my chat GPT thing
about how to make sure you're getting good information, because
one of the stories I do have on the blog
today is a story about the accuracy of AI language
models up to now when it comes to research. And
I use chat GPT every single day getting ready for
this show. But here's how I use it, and this

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is important. When you ask chat shep and I have
a command set up in my account that tells it
not to fabricate and to not link to stories that
do not have a direct connection to the point that
they were trying to make. But even with that command,
if CHATCHPT links and says here's the evidence, I'm trying
to think of a good example that I used lately.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
I actually went to look up whether type O blood
makes you more attractive to mosquitoes, not for the show,
totally different reason. But I go into Chat. I said,
just TYPEO blood make you more attractive mosquitos, and what
proof do you have? So chatchbt links to a study,
a medical study, and I click through and look at
the study, and the study doesn't actually have anything to

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do with the question or the answer that chatchbt gave me. Right,
it was a study about mosquitoes, but it didn't have
anything to do with TYPO blood. And I searched the document.
There was nothing about TYPEO blood in that document. So
I went back to chatchebt and said, why did you
link to a study that has nothing to do with
the point that you were trying to make? And he
apologized and, oh, I'm so sorry that was a mistake,

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Yes it was. Don't do that again. But researchers have
found that they're asking questions of large language models, and
I'm using chat as an example, but I think all
of them do this. They put in they're asking a
research question, has research been done on this topic? And
the AI is returning studies to back up whatever answer
they've created. They're oh, here's your links. You can go

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ahead and check this. But the studies have nothing to
do with the answer that was given. So if you're
using AI, you have to It's basically a buyer beware
situation right now, right it is just try not to
get duped. But why I worry about this is that
there and we had a guest on about this many
months ago, when bad science starts getting noted in other science,

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in other scientific studies, it is almost impossible to get
the bad science out. And then once that study cites
a bad science study, then that study gets cited, and
so on and so for the exponential in the spreading
of bad science. So I'm concerned that lazy researchers are
just going to go to AI and expect AI to

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give it the right answer. But if you're using AI,
you've got to check its work. You just do, because
sometimes it spits back like massive amounts of garbage.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
I like correcting it too, and then it goes, oh,
you're right, oh that is true, yea check you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
We do know that these large language models are basically
are they are programmed to suck up to us whoever's
using it. Whatever you say, they're like, oh my god,
you're so smart. How did you get so smart? Oh
my god, you're so good looking to you? Oh my god.
I mean they're just they're giant sickophants. So you need
to make sure that your ego is not getting caught up.
Was that yesterday that you had the story about the

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man who who believed that? Or did I see I
saw that for.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
You yesterday, gave it to you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
So this guy he starts believing the hype that that
largely that these AI models are telling him, and he
gets so in his own head that he basically like
has a psychotic break because he starts believing all this
crap that the AI is telling him about how genius
he is and how he solved this problem and the
whole world can come to a crash if he doesn't

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do so. I mean, it was nuts.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
It was absolutely yead. It was actually really really sad,
really sad.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
I got to say, and I read this story and
I just thought to myself, I do think that there
are people who are more vulnerable to that type of manipulation.
The people that are really looking to AI for validation,
never look to AI for validation. They'll give it to you.
They'll give it to you in spades. You'll be so
validated by AI that you won't want to actually seek

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out real validation from real people, because it's far more
challenging to get that validation that you're you're seeking.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
But I have to have the It is a tool,
a crutch mindset every single time you use it, and
a single time.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
It's a faulty tool, right, It's a tool that only
works well. I call you percentage of the time.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
I call it my ball sharter. It gets the ball
rolling form.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
I did not realize that you were going to go
ball rolling. I thought you were going somewhere else with that,
and I was shocked and appalled. All starter, yeah, I
uh oh, you're weird. So yeah, yeah, I was confused
and a little bit baffled by the Okay, now we
already have a contestant. Alexander, put those headphones on. We

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already have a contestant. He was here a few years ago.
He just donated just an app. Just snap them right
on your head. They don't have germs on them. Jesse
Thomas had those on last time, and he's germ free.
You don't, right, You're a microphone right up to your mouth. There,
there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
I was thinking about cooties.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
You're thinking about cooties?

Speaker 11 (01:30:38):
Is he on?

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
I don't think he is. Now, Alexander, you've played this
game before this of the day, haven't you?

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Yes? How did it go?

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
Miserably?

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
Miserably? I fell on my face.

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
It's harder in person. I tell people this all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
You're right about the radios.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
Oh, it is so much easier. When you're in your
car and you're driving along and we're doing people are screaming.
I can hear those answers. How did they not know that?
But as soon as you get a microphone in front
of your face, game change her.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
You said to us that you were retired. What'd you
retire from, Alexander? United Airlines?

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Ah?

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
What did you do for United?

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
I was out on the ramp?

Speaker 4 (01:31:12):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
Very nice you were with Delta.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
I was a Delta flight attendant, sometimes not at first.
Two of the guys that I was in flight attendant
training came from the ramp. And for people who don't know,
the ramp guys are the guys who get all of
your baggage in and out of every airplane. It is
a hard job. It was the best job I ever had.
You loved it. Did you travel a lot when you
were doing it?

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
No, my wife got sick and then she just recently
passed away.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
Oh I'm so sorry, man.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
We'll all be there. And then that was the best job.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
I ever had. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
It worked. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
Well, two of the guys, the ramp guys, were in
my flight attendant training class, and when I asked him,
I said, why did you want to go from the
ramp to the be a flight attendant? And they just
went like this in a room full of four hundred
women and said, would you rather with a bunch of
guys on the ramper? Would you rather want to work
with these women? And they chose, well, talk about it
out of the end of the fire exactly exactly. Now

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should we go? Should we start a little bit early
to do this day? As we wrap up? Sure our
broadcast from the corner of and he's asked to yell,
are you going to do of the day in the world,
in the world, in the world, sorry about that, in
the world, You're gonna do it? You got it? Okay?
Because I want to remind people Kio is going to
be out here at King Supers. We've got this great

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setup Kaoi sports is coming up next. Broncos Country tonight
will be here after that. Who's on Broncos Country tonight?

Speaker 8 (01:32:34):
Do you know?

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Nick? I believe?

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
Okay, So Nick and Ben will be here tonight. If
you ever wanted to have a chance to say hello
to Dave Logan, you better get here in the next
hour because in his high school football season.

Speaker 11 (01:32:43):
Yes it is.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
But come on down. Donate food and make sure that
when you donate food that you let them know that
you're a Mandy Connell listener and you want her to
have credit. The credit, by the way, is non existent.
There is no actual competition. I just like to do
this every single just so I have bragging rights in
my own mind. You know, the guys are lucky.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
It's not a competition because they would lose.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
Of course we would win. They would absolutely lose. But
you have until nine o'clock, or you can just go
to food Bank Rockies dot org and make a donation there.
We really appreciate your support. And to the woman who
brought this, like, look at this adorable little Thanksgiving basket
in a lot, I mean, she wrapped it up. It's
got a baking pan, it's got everything you need.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
We're donating that, right, Yeah, it's going.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
But I just thought that would like the cutest thing
to just put everything together in a little that's very
very very festive and I love the creativity and thank
you so much for that. But now, Alexander, you ready, Yes,