12-05-24 FULL SHOW - Jimmy Sengenberger Fills in for Mandy

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 5 (00:31):
Good afternoon, Jimmy Sangenberger in for Mandy today.

Speaker 6 (00:36):
Great to be with you. If you want to join into.

Speaker 5 (00:39):
The festivities, text in on the KOA Common Spirit Health
Hotline at five six six nine zero. We have much
to discuss, some great guests. We're gonna talk with a
guy named Bradley Treaty in the web design world and
social media, online marketing. Absolute guru about embracing AI. Right now,

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there's so much scare about artificial intelligence and many reasons
to think that way. What you can do with videos
and with voices. I mean, there's the president of Argentina, Milay.
There's a video of him giving a speech. This is
the free market president giving a speech I think the

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United Nations, and it was revised for AI by AI
so that he was speaking in English with his accent
and with his mouth moving.

Speaker 6 (01:38):
In English.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
Just absolutely astonishing and also kind of frightening. You can
just manipulate his voice and then translate him and sound.

Speaker 6 (01:48):
In English and with his accent.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
Whereas I first saw the video as part of a
little real on I think on YouTube, and I was like,
what in the world is going on here?

Speaker 6 (02:00):
This is crazy.

Speaker 5 (02:02):
I'm seeing him speaking in English, but I didn't know
he was an English speaker. So I searched and I
found the full video and the description said this is
Ai changed by AI to translate in English with his
original accent and to have the mouth move accordingly. And

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it was the original video just changed modified in those ways.
I mean, is that something that you think is a
good thing? In some ways it is. It makes it
easier for you to understand a foreign language, perhaps if
you're listening side by side. In this case, it was
just that right translation makes it accessible for somebody to

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just have an easy translation without needing a live translator,
although that.

Speaker 6 (02:50):
Would mean that live translator could lose their job.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
Now, this isn't something we'll talk with, Bradley, but it's
it's something I want to know your thoughts on because
I watched this and it was extraordinary to me because
we see all these deep fakes, we see the technology.

Speaker 6 (03:07):
I love Star Wars and what.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
They did in the Mandalorian show with Luke Skywalker was
extremely impressive to me, even going back several years to
the Rogue One movie and what they did with Grandmoth
Targan extremely impressive at the time. It's only gotten so
much better since then. But then you have to wonder
what's going on with some of these deep fakes where

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you have Trump or Biden saying things and they're not
real because their voices are manipulated. Or you have people
who are getting phone calls at home purporting to be
a loved one who says I have a problem, I
need your help, and it sounds like their voice.

Speaker 6 (03:49):
It's not just somebody faking it. What do you do? Then?

Speaker 5 (03:56):
In my family, we have, at least for me, a
code that I've established that we know, and that's it.

Speaker 6 (04:06):
And that's how you can tell if.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
Somebody does one of these calls and claims to be
this loved one, you can have this code word, whatever
it is, something that won't be discernible, and you expect
to hear that to know that it's legit that they
are in crisis, as opposed to somebody pretending to be them.

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I'm very cognizant with being on the radio and having
done thousands and thousands of hours of dog radio. You know,
in my voice out there, anybody's voice, though, even if
it's not one that's prominently out there. There is a
story I recall of a child whose voice was manipulated
for their parents. And they weren't some famous people, or

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they weren't somebody that you could just hear in a
podcast or on TV or what have you. So there's
a brave new world out there when it comes to AI,
and some things to be concerned about, and some incredible
opportunities as well. Well.

Speaker 6 (05:09):
What do you make of this?

Speaker 5 (05:10):
The extent of the deep fakes taking something from a
foreign leader, for example, translating into their language or into
our language, and making the mouth move like it's the same,
and with the accent, you can't tell the difference hardly.
Five six six 's nine zero is the text line

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for your thoughts and the koa common spirit health text
line listeners text coming in already. I have a bio
on my website and I was really disturbed because I
googled my name the other day and my bio popped
up and it had been changed word wise.

Speaker 6 (05:46):
I don't want anyone changing my words.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
I don't think the general public should have access to AI.

Speaker 6 (05:53):
That's a strong statement.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
I think it's okay for companies and others, you know,
doing things like you're talking about, but the general public
should not be able to do these things. There's already
so much plagiarism on college papers already.

Speaker 6 (06:08):
So let me ask you a question. How do you
stop it?

Speaker 5 (06:11):
You actually make it illegal. People will be able to
get around that very easily. I don't see how you
can put that sort of thing into law.

Speaker 6 (06:22):
And in many respects it's a tool.

Speaker 5 (06:24):
Small business owners and we'll talk about this later in
the show, has an opportunity to work on their marketing
with help from AI, and they're a small business owner,
maybe is sole proprietor it's just them in their business.
They don't have money to hire a marketing person and
they're not experienced with marketing, so.

Speaker 6 (06:40):
They trial and error through chat GBD.

Speaker 5 (06:42):
You want to ban that, I'm not on board with that.
I think we need to look at certain things for bans,
potentially as far as like deep fakes and certain respects
of people without their permission, maybe or to have certain
requirements for how you can go about that. Maybe even

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then you get in a dangerous territory when you allow
the all knowing, all powerful government to step in and
make their determinations, to put things into law, to put
any kind of restriction on you and your life, the
tools and resources that you have at your disposal.

Speaker 6 (07:28):
That's I think a very tricky.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
Situation when you get into that kind of territory. But
it is fascinating, nonetheless, and there are opportunities. We'll talk
later about those opportunities. The fascinating aspect to this for
me is how you can put them to good use

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and then how dangerous it can be. Like it is
really that to sign coin five six sixty nine zero
our Common Spirit Health text line if you want to
join in to the program. So there has been a
heck of a lot of discussion about Biden and his

(08:18):
pardon of Hunter, his son, President Biden's pardon, And what's
fascinating to me is this sort of battle on the left.
What are we seeing going on right now when it
comes to Democrats who are divided. You have Governor Jared Polis,
Senator Michael Bennett or both talking pretty strongly against Biden

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for this decision. Bennett going on Fox News even and
he's warning about the precedent this sets and the double
standard and arguing for consistency. Well, that argument for consistency
reared its.

Speaker 6 (08:57):
Uglye head on the View.

Speaker 5 (09:00):
I think this was yesterday Charle Mane the God on
the View, and he criticized Biden, much of the chagrin
of Whoopy Goldberg. Here's what he said first in his criticism.

Speaker 7 (09:11):
I mean, I think all of the criticism is valid
because you know, Democrats stand on this moral high ground
all the time, and you know they act so self righteous.
The reality is he didn't have to say anything in
regards to you know, whether or not you know, his
son wanted to be part and he could have said, hey, man.

Speaker 6 (09:26):
I'm not focused on that right now.

Speaker 7 (09:27):
But since they were calling trumpet threat at democracy, and
they were saying that, you know, nobody's above the law,
but they were speaking about him, that's what.

Speaker 8 (09:34):
They were running on.

Speaker 7 (09:35):
So when he kept saying things like, oh, you know,
nobody's above the law, I respect you know, the jury's
decision in regards to my son.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
He didn't believe that.

Speaker 7 (09:43):
But he didn't have to volunteer that lie to begin with.

Speaker 6 (09:46):
Now he didn't.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
There was no reason for Biden to consistently put out
the lie, and then for Carrie Jean Pierre or the
White House Press secretary to reiterate you don't have to
be a Republican. Charlemagne is most definitely not a Republican
to understand that.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
Well, what be Goldberg not too pleased with what he
had to say.

Speaker 9 (10:11):
At some point you get to the place where you
just go so I'm just gonna follow the straight and
narrow always, because that's what's expected of Democrats.

Speaker 7 (10:23):
You're the one got to go out there and they
stand on this moral high ground.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
They don't have to do that.

Speaker 6 (10:27):
I'm a Democrat. Tell me what the moral high grounded.

Speaker 7 (10:29):
The moral high ground is. Nobody's above the law. I
respect what the jewors are saying. He didn't know we're
mad at him because he changed his Wait, I'm not
mad at him party.

Speaker 6 (10:45):
He's not mad.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
He is just making a clear cut statement that Biden
didn't tell the truth and he went in a direction
that was deceptive and that was wrong. Doesn't mean you
have to be angry about that. I'm certainly not angry
about it, and I think that it was a very
wrong decision.

Speaker 6 (11:08):
I understand he's.

Speaker 5 (11:08):
Worried about blowback from Trump going after Hunter and tracking
down Biden or anything like that. Okay, I get that
doesn't mean you should go ahead and make some sort
of a eleven year long pardon broader than any pardon
since at least Richard Nixon's by Gerald Ford. Go ahead
and do that, No, no way, shape or form, is

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that appropriate. Biden set himself up as the guy who's
gonna ensure that everybody is equal under the law and
therefore not above the law. Well not if it's Hunter Biden.
Now what's fascinating as well, and that's my word to kick.

Speaker 6 (11:51):
Off the show.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
Fascinating, I guess is Chuck Todd as an example of
one of those who have been more supportive of Biden
in the media very clearly, and Harris in the media,
and who now all of a sudden is talking about
the selfishness of the lame duck president.

Speaker 10 (12:12):
I followed the Hunter Biden trail very closely. I read
every transcript, all the testimony, because that's what you can.

Speaker 6 (12:18):
All that was made public, and there is.

Speaker 10 (12:22):
You want to you want to read, you want to
you want to get angry just as a as as
somebody in just all these mixed emotions. You read the
Halle Biden transcript, and that's both widow yes and and
essentially he turned her into.

Speaker 6 (12:36):
A crack addict.

Speaker 10 (12:40):
And this was all happening in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,
and Joe and Joe Biden were so concerned about their
family that they decided to run for president.

Speaker 6 (12:50):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (12:51):
I just so when you talk about the words selfish, I,
it's almost like the word doesn't I mean I.

Speaker 11 (12:58):
Their decision to.

Speaker 10 (12:59):
Run for president put the entire Democratic Party in the
United States of America.

Speaker 6 (13:03):
What in the position that it's in?

Speaker 11 (13:05):
Now?

Speaker 5 (13:06):
Where was this when he was running for president? Where
was this when it was so clear? And the stories
are out about how the media clearly knew about Biden's
mental decline covered it up for him until they couldn't anymore.
At that debate, Chuck Todd part of that. And now

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he's suddenly coming out of nowhere saying, you know what,
that whole idea of running for president in the first
place was selfish by Joe and Jill Biden.

Speaker 6 (13:41):
He never should have done that. What were they thinking?

Speaker 5 (13:45):
Well, where were you, Chuck Todd two years ago, year
and a half ago, a year ago, when he announced
he was running, and when he was mounting his campaign
and had clear issue us the very issues that ended
up getting him out of office and replaced by Kamala

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Harris Goodness listener texts coming in on the KOA Common
Spirit Health text line five six six nine zero. What
are your thoughts on the rumors regarding Biden pardoning Anthony Fauci,
among others? That says something I think that would be absurd. Look,
I get that there are things that Fauci did that.

Speaker 6 (14:31):
Were deeply unethical.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
I would contend that he should not have been in
that office at NIH National Institutes of Health nearly as
long as he was, should have been dropped by twenty
twenty one, if not sooner. And I say that because
a lot of folks, myself included, were led to believe
and actually bought into the idea in the beginning that
Fauci was sort of the guy who was trying to

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tell us as best he could like it is.

Speaker 6 (14:56):
And then after a few months it was plainly obvious
that there wasn't the case.

Speaker 5 (14:59):
But okay, you give him a year. In that time
he should have been gone. Keep in mind, as well,
that Trump was the president during Fauci's time with COVID,
So it's kind of hard for him to say I'm
going to go after Fauci legally in some criminal way
when it would kind of implicate Trump and his administration.

Speaker 6 (15:22):
You can't avoid that. I think just a.

Speaker 5 (15:25):
Blanket pardon would be a political wrong. Biden should not
do that, and I don't think he will. I don't
think he will. Another texts, in regard to preemptive pardons,
it sounds like the pardon can't grant blanket immunity for
unspecified offenses and must at least broadly identify the scope
of conduct being covered. My understanding is that the timeframe

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is enough. The president has a pardon power and it
is extremely broad. So I don't believe that is the case.
But you go on, so what would bite and preemptively
pardon for people like Adam shift Fauci and Liz Cheney.
If they didn't do anything wrong, then how would you
pardon them?

Speaker 6 (16:07):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
I see what you're saying now that I read the
full text. But even then, I don't think it would happen,
and I don't see how he can somewhat justify, at
least in Hunter's case, he had a kind of quasi
defense he could bring about as an excuse with Fauci,

(16:29):
Liz Cheney, Adam Shift. That would just be throwing out
pardons for anybody. I think he could do it legally,
but he can't justify it. And by the way, keep
in mind, this is only in regards to federal crimes.
The President cannot pardon for any state crimes. Ralph in

(16:52):
black Forest, thank you for name in town. I appreciate it.
Name in town, Name it down if you wish to
text in is always something I appreciate. Pardoning Fauci would
be an admission that he did illegal activities. Yes, it would,
which is why I think in essence, that's what Biden
did in expanding the range to eleven years back to

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twenty fourteen for Hunter, so there would be no wiggle
room there.

Speaker 6 (17:18):
It's expansive.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
On the subject of chat GPT great text coming in.
Every revolutionary tech is frightening and exhilarating at the same time.
It all comes down to use and intent. Give it
enough time and humans will make it safe. But I
think some nasty stuff will inevitably happen beforehand.

Speaker 6 (17:44):
I agree any sort of technology you can.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
Think about the Internet in and of itself, online purchases.

Speaker 6 (17:52):
The supreme.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
Rather the the automobile, any number of technologies you can
find as people go away in a second. In fact,
self driving cars. When I was in San Francisco not
long ago and I saw the way Mo self droving
cars all around, literally cars driving around without a human
being even in them, it freaked me out and I

(18:18):
didn't want to write one. Okay, Well, eventually it might
work out pretty well. Humans have a tendency to do that.
We'll talk more about it AI later on in the program.
We're going to take a break now. When we come back,
doctor Travis Morrell, MD will join me to talk about
the Supreme Court case that is on whether or not

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kids can be banned from having hormones to change their gender.

Speaker 6 (18:46):
We'll talk about that on the other side.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
I'm Jimmy Sangingberger Inframandy Connell just got started here on KOA.
The United States Supreme Court considering a case right now
as to whether or not the fourteenth Amendment to the
US Constitution means a state cannot ban transgender hormone regimens
for adolescents. As the Wall Street Journal describes it, a

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law in Tennessee being challenged now prohibits administering medical treatments
to minors if the purpose is to enable a gender
transition or to address quote purported discomfort or distress from
a discordance between the minor sex and asserted identity. That
prevents doctors from doing surgeries and supplying puberty blockers or

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cross sex hormones. Almost half of states have similar rules,
according to the government's findings, and they differed on the evidence.
But of course the Supreme Court will consider the legal matters.

Speaker 6 (19:48):
Let's get some perspective on.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
This from someone who was there at the Supreme Court,
doctor Travis Morell, m D, who not too long ago
had put forward a proposal to the Colorado Medical Association
saying that they should take a position opposed as a
policy matter and a recommendation to physicians opposed to these

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kinds of transitions, particularly regarding things like puberty blockers and
surgeries of what have you. And it was quashed by
medical students, Yes, medical students, but we're not here to
talk about that story today. Doctor Travis Morrell joins me
now to discuss this Supreme Court case.

Speaker 6 (20:31):
Sir, good afternoon, and.

Speaker 12 (20:33):
Welcome, Jimmy.

Speaker 11 (20:35):
An honor and a privilege. Thank you.

Speaker 6 (20:36):
Great to have you with us.

Speaker 5 (20:37):
So let me kind of split this into two buckets,
because I think there are two things going on here.
One you've got the medical side. Two you've got the
legal side. And of course your expertise is on that
medical side, so I want to start there.

Speaker 6 (20:52):
Talk to me about your position.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
And you are affiliated as well with an organization called
Do No Harm, which is concerned about gender transitions and
so forth of minors. Talk to me about the medical
side and where you're at on this question.

Speaker 12 (21:08):
Yeah, thanks, Jimmy.

Speaker 11 (21:09):
So yes, I'm a senior fellow with Juno Harm Medicine
who is fighting to kind of help protect kids and
bring evans based medicine back into medicine. And we recently
put out a database called Stopthharm database dot com. Your
listeners can see which hospitals are doing this from insurance
data that they found. So people often say.

Speaker 12 (21:29):
It's not happening, but there are over one.

Speaker 11 (21:32):
Hundred and twenty million dollars of cases of across the
country doctors either putting kids on sterilizing hormones to block
their normal development. And that's the start and in Colorado state,
Medicaid pays for that as soon as you hit puberty,
which for ninety five percent of kids is age eight
to thirteen.

Speaker 12 (21:51):
And then that can be followed with cross.

Speaker 11 (21:52):
Sex hormones, which we know can increase the risk of
for example, cancer and boys that take this, and then
after that surgery the most common surgery onliners is nystectomy
or amplication of the breast, which there is legal to
do for age fifteen year old girls in the state
of Colorado. And so that's the kind of thing that
this Tennessee ban and the other half of our states

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have banned, and some of you in Europe has gone
away from and or banning, and that's what Tennessee was
trying to do, and the Biden administration tried to block that,
which with this lawsuit, which culminated in the arguments yesterday,
which I was able to hear.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
Yeah, on the medical side, we'll get to the case
here in a moment, Doctor Travis Morele. Let's talk about
the implications, because that's why we've talked before.

Speaker 6 (22:37):
And I've interviewed you here before.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
Let's talk about what it can mean for a child
that concerns you as far as the long term impacts
of whether it is the hormone treatment that.

Speaker 6 (22:49):
Maybe blocks puberty and or the surgeries.

Speaker 11 (22:55):
Yeah, great, So I hate to talk about it. But so,
for example, kids can be put on puberty blockers when
they're in State of Colorado, Medicaid will pay for it
at age eight to thirteen. As soon as you hit puberty.
We know that, for example, boys that get put on.

Speaker 12 (23:10):
This medicine will never have.

Speaker 11 (23:12):
Their reproductive or relational abilities. I'll try to talk politely.

Speaker 6 (23:16):
On the radio.

Speaker 11 (23:16):
They'll never have those abilities if they get put on
those as soon as they hit puberty. And people like
somebody would very much disagree with me. Doctor Marcy Bauers,
who's the president of the World Professional Association for Transgender
Health and the surgeon who actually literally surgically castrated after
medically castrating Jazz Jenny's on cable TV a few years ago,

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Marcy Bauers. Doctor Marcy Bauer, says that they don't know
of any kid that gets put on purity blockers. Any
boy gets put on puberty.

Speaker 12 (23:46):
Blockers around you know, ten or twelve.

Speaker 11 (23:48):
They put on cross sex hormones, which for a boy
would be estrogen, and then by the time they're an adult. There,
if that's continued, they're not going to be able to
have reproduction or even just enjoy intimacy. And that goes
for you know, grace, gay, straight, claiming, trans identity, whatever,
all those kids, if they get put on all that
the whole way through, they really have, that whole part
of their life is taken away. And then even if

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they do go on to trans surgeries older or even
as a minor, like they did on cable TV with
Jazz Jennings, you'll have less tissue to do those and
have a possibly less less successful, more risky surgery. So
those are some of the risks for boys.

Speaker 13 (24:25):
Girls.

Speaker 11 (24:26):
Obviously, you take away their breaths at fifteen. Most of
us don't know how many kids were gonna have at fifteen, Well,
most of us don't even know how man kids are
gonna have t we're forty.

Speaker 12 (24:34):
I just had a kid last year at forty, and
we don't. Women don't know whether they're.

Speaker 11 (24:38):
Gonna even want a breastfeed when they're fifteen, necessarily, so
you're taking away adult reproductive and nursing and and other
choices as when they're still kids.

Speaker 5 (24:48):
So obviously you have medical concerns understandable, and of course
there is a case to be made for why physicians
might want to be advised or should be advised.

Speaker 6 (24:59):
I think they should against these kinds of surgeries and
treatments and so forth.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
I think that makes sense to advise against. But you
get to another territory when you were telling parents, and
if we're advocates of parental rights, this is important parents
not that they should not have the ability to make
this decision for their kid.

Speaker 6 (25:17):
Where do you fall on that question as a legal matter.

Speaker 12 (25:21):
Well, my preference is, yeah, my preference is.

Speaker 11 (25:24):
Always to let doctors and parents make decisions if at
all possible. That's why I work through medical societies, is
what I've done. But it's very ironic to see. I
saw I was at the Supreme Court and I saw
someone with to let parents do what they want the
kids or whatever sign, and I just thought that was
very ironic, because, as you know, in Colorado, Colorado law
is kind of the opposite. If parents aren't allowed to

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be involved in their kids' gender transition, the at schools
you can literally legally change their name without telling the parents.
And that was with HB ten thirty nine that went
through last year, so I think the parents rights concerns
are greater. On the other side, another group called her
Principal Physicians that I represent locally has written a brief

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to defend a parent whose kid is being transitioned with
privy blockers without his permission. And so this is really
I think the parent's rights is on the other side
of this issue, on the other side of this coin.
But the answer maybe your question more directly.

Speaker 12 (26:23):
You know, we're these these medicines.

Speaker 11 (26:25):
You're taking away their abilities, you're taking away their mental
developmental and IQ and memory development, you're putting in the
ears of cancer. These are things that are.

Speaker 12 (26:33):
Not decisions that a child can consent to.

Speaker 11 (26:36):
And neither can a parent.

Speaker 12 (26:37):
Consent to this for their child any more.

Speaker 11 (26:39):
Than I can consent to my kid having their achilles
heels cut before sprinting or something. It's it's a medical impossibility.
With their promising kids, kids are being disappointed and their
regret rates are happening.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
At thirty seconds. Unfortunately, we're up against break. I just
want to ask you about the tenor of the courtroom
or and being that were you in the courtroom and.

Speaker 6 (27:00):
What whether you okay? Good?

Speaker 5 (27:02):
Then what was your your sort of takeaway on where
the justices are at and what the dynamics were in
that room.

Speaker 11 (27:09):
You know, it was a silent and moving on, moving
a holy place. Everyone's very quiet, respectful, but clearly the
justices we're not buying overall that states can definitely regulate
medicine as was there. It seemed like their position and
I don't think they're going They're not going to overturn
the band. There's no way they're going to overturn the band,
and they're going to allow states to regulate medicine in
this way.

Speaker 5 (27:28):
Yeah, And there's another case working its way through the
legal system where the shoe is essentially on the other
foot in terms of a mandate on the other side,
which is fascinating as far as the implications here. Doctor
Travis Morele, MD, appreciate your perspective this afternoon here on KOA.

Speaker 6 (27:45):
Thanks so much for.

Speaker 11 (27:46):
Your time, my pleasure. Thanks Jimmy, once.

Speaker 5 (27:49):
Again, Doctor Travis Morrell, MD, joining us got to run
too a break text us at five six six nine
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than the ones you can see in any club.

Speaker 6 (28:21):
Yeah, I mean, the music there is just phenomenal.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
I went to what is being used temporarily as Preservation
Hall while they renovated to lose theater.

Speaker 6 (28:30):
Amazing group there.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
I had a group on our river cruise singing a
little bit, do a little music. Seeing you have your
birthday in jazz man, I gotta tell you, see well
that say.

Speaker 5 (28:40):
The thing I love about blues and jazz is that
improvisational quality where you can just take a tune, you
can take a rhythm, whatever, and you can make it
your own and do something very special.

Speaker 6 (28:54):
And that to me is exciting.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
By the way, this isn't for my band, but on Sunday,
the Colorado Country Music Hall of Fame is having a
jam session with phenomenal musicians from the Denver metro area
from two to five at Dougie G's and Thornton.

Speaker 6 (29:12):
It's the VFW post there and I will.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
Be one of the performers playing some harraica, blowing the
harp there on stage.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
I've had something here that would let us know what
you are we do, and I do.

Speaker 6 (29:31):
Have some harps with me brother.

Speaker 5 (29:33):
You know, maybe who knows, today, tomorrow, you never know
when they might music you have it, yeah available. I
have had issues before where there was a problem in
the system and we came back and there was no bumper.
So I thought, boom, let me pull out a harp
and I'll be the bumper.

Speaker 6 (29:48):
And it's exactly what I did. But that's cool.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
But I issue the ultimate challenge bumper back while on
the other side of your mouth talk into the segment.

Speaker 6 (29:56):
Yeah, I don't know if that's possible. There is a
way that I could possibly do that being a little
bit creative, well teasing the good time. I'm intrigued. Now,
let me let me ponder this. Maybe I'll give up.

Speaker 5 (30:09):
One of those Christmas bumpers I asked you to plug in.
We got tomorrow too, so who knows it's true, just
might do something. Let me check is the wheels are
turning now in my head as we continue.

Speaker 6 (30:24):
Jimmy singing, Baker is burgering, Sanging is burger.

Speaker 5 (30:28):
That's a new one. The sangon is burgering ladies and gentlemen.
I don't know if that should stick or not. Text
us at five six six nine zero the koa Common
Spirit Health text line Jimmy Sangenburger in for Mandy Connell
and according to A Rod, the sanging is burgering?

Speaker 6 (30:43):
Should we stick with that? I love it? The more
you're fun there, that is kind of fun. Yes, you're welcome. Yes.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
And by the way, since we're talking about the great
last name that I have, just remember and I got
my website Jimmy Sangenburger dot com. There's no a I
or you in sang and Burger. It's all ease all
the time. Once you know that sang and burger is easy.

Speaker 6 (31:12):
That's so good, isn't it? Did you come up with
that years ago? Many years ago?

Speaker 4 (31:17):
Because there's ways to tell people how to spell your name.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
If you really wanted to, you could fit in all
the regular vowels like s A, N G, I, N
b U, r g E r saing in burger. It's
kind of how it's pronounced. But it's all ease all
the time. No, that's that's what you gotta do. And
now maybe, maybe, just maybe we'll stick with the singing
is burgering. I haven't gotten any texts yet saying yes,

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so I don't know if that's.

Speaker 6 (31:46):
Because I haven't gotten him saying good it is.

Speaker 5 (31:49):
You know, a Rod, you are very, very creative, and
that's why Mandy keeps you here. It's one of the reasons,
so that you can come up with random ideas dirt.

Speaker 6 (32:01):
I believe that. Yeah, that's probably the bigger reason.

Speaker 5 (32:05):
Oh my gosh, A Rod behind the glass. Jimmy Sanenberger
here with you. In the last segment, we were talking
with doctor Travis Morell about the Supreme Court case regarding
a gender transition bans.

Speaker 6 (32:16):
Listener text, Has.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
Anyone thought that maybe this is a way of controlling
our population numbers? I feel that we have and are
running and do a way of sterilizing so we can
decrease numbers for what benefit.

Speaker 6 (32:30):
I can't wrap my mind around.

Speaker 5 (32:32):
I don't think that's the case for this particular circumstance.
There is a push to not have babies, this four
B movement or whatever, of young women in retaliation to
men for Trump winning, even though he won more women
than he had previously in either previous election. Yet they

(32:55):
want to punish men by saying, oh, no, we're gonna withhold.

Speaker 6 (33:00):
Relations with you. And then that's just you.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
Know, a lot of more traditional men probably going okay, good,
then your self selecting yourself out of consideration for me,
because I don't necessarily want that.

Speaker 6 (33:12):
Who knows? And if the parents another text real quick, if.

Speaker 5 (33:15):
The parents and child believe their child should only have
one leg, can they legally have a leg amputated?

Speaker 6 (33:22):
In Colorado?

Speaker 5 (33:23):
I think this is analogous to the puberty blockers and
surgeries we.

Speaker 6 (33:27):
Are talking about. I'm not so sure that's the case.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
I've talked with a parent of a transgender child, and
I can understand more about It was really eye opening
in terms of just the least understanding some of the
thinking that went into allowing their team to transition.

Speaker 6 (33:45):
We got to leave it there. We've got two more
hours up ahead.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Jimmy Sangenberger in for Mandy Connell, Moving along quickly on KOA.

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Speaker 6 (34:32):
Good to be with you.

Speaker 5 (34:33):
So it's always interesting when there are these kinds of
business conferences.

Speaker 6 (34:38):
I forget which one this is.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
One of the guys from CNBC squawk Box was interviewing
Jeff Bezos, of course, the founder and CEO of Amazon,
the second richest man in the world, number two after
Elon Musk, the wealthiest man in the world, and he

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was asked about Musk as a competitor and whether or
not he's concerned about how close Musk is to the
administration and his possibilities involved at DOSEE, the Department of
Government and Efficiency.

Speaker 6 (35:16):
Take a listen to this.

Speaker 11 (35:18):
I take at.

Speaker 14 (35:18):
Face value what has been said, which is that you
know he is not going to use his political power
to advantage his own companies or to disadvantage his competitors.

Speaker 6 (35:32):
I take that at face value.

Speaker 14 (35:34):
Again, I could be wrong about that, but I think
it could be true. I think he probably is trying
to you know, I think this Department of government efficiency
and that he and Vivek are helping Trump with and
so on. Again, I'd like to take I have a
lot of I've had a lot of success in life

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not being cynical, and I've very rarely been taken advantage.

Speaker 6 (36:00):
Of as a result.

Speaker 14 (36:03):
It's happened a couple of times, but not very often.
And I think that citicism. You know, why have you
cynical about that? Let's go into it hoping that the
statements that have been made are correct, that this is
going to be done, you know, above board in the
public interest, and if that turns out to be naive,
well well.

Speaker 13 (36:23):
Then we'll see.

Speaker 6 (36:25):
But I actually think it's going to be great. I'm hoping.

Speaker 5 (36:28):
That was a very diplomatic answer question for you. In
the KOA Common Spirit Health text line five six six
nine zero. You just heard the second richest man in
the world talking about the first richest man in his
role in government and saying, you know what, I'm not
a cynical person. I made a successful career out of
not being cynical, and I don't think we should I

(36:50):
think we should give him a chance. Now, the question
is Is that completely sincere? Is that something where he's
genuinely on board, like, you know what, I really want
to give this a chance. Or is he sort of
playing the game maybe with another you know, I don't

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can he just does a billionaire justify or explain these guys?
Can you just say another billionaire because they're sort of
in their own little class of billionaires. But is he
just sort of playing the game with a colleague.

Speaker 6 (37:26):
If you will, or is he concerned?

Speaker 5 (37:29):
Is he like, well, I've got Blue Origin, he's got SpaceX.
I really want to be careful so that I don't
get disadvantaged. I don't find myself getting the short end
of the stick relative to Elon Musk And I will
say that's a concern I have. We haven't heard about
what Elon's going to do as far as an actual
employment status with DOJE in the federal government. Is he

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going to put his investments in a blind trust, for example,
and give up control as CEO of his companies and
what have you?

Speaker 6 (38:02):
Tesla SpaceX X.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
Is he gonna step back from or is he going
to continue those roles?

Speaker 6 (38:09):
And is that allowed legally? I don't know, but I
do have a little.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
Bit of a concern over somebody like him or in
his position, being able to exert some influence that can
benefit his own companies to the detriment of competitors. Hence
the question, which was the actual question you didn't hear.
The question was about he's a competitor of yours, that

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you worried about this person as a competitor.

Speaker 6 (38:38):
So is he playing the game? Is he genuine and sincere?

Speaker 12 (38:43):
What is it?

Speaker 5 (38:45):
Could it be a mix of both? Five six, six
nine zero is the text line he also talked about
because remember this is the guy who owns the Washington Post,
and he was asked a curious question about the Washington
Post and you know how he'd saved it before and
what he sees for the future of the Washington Post.

Speaker 6 (39:05):
And it was curious.

Speaker 14 (39:06):
Saved the Washington Post once. This will be the second
time I would I'd like.

Speaker 6 (39:12):
To save Let's see twenty thirteen. So eleven years ago.

Speaker 14 (39:16):
It took a couple of years, it made money for
six or seven years after that. In the last few
years it's lost money again and it needs to be
put back on a good footing again. And the first
time we did it by its transitioning away from advertising

(39:38):
two subscriptions, and also away from being a local paper
to being a national paper.

Speaker 6 (39:43):
And there are many more.

Speaker 14 (39:45):
Details to it, but that was the basic formula that
was used and it was very successful. And we have
a few other ideas, so stay tuned.

Speaker 6 (39:54):
We'll see.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
This is interesting because after the election of Trump, Yeah,
I think they were part of the group of media
companies that had some significant adjustments in their editorial pages
or the editors at the publication or what have you.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
And during the election, Washington Post didn't endorse anybody.

Speaker 5 (40:16):
I think that's the first time they haven't in many decades.
So in this case, he's talking about what we saved
the Post. Part of it was doing a subscription model,
which is when you get into those annoying paywalls and
the only way you can get around it is to
know some tricks to circumvent payrolls paywalls.

Speaker 6 (40:36):
But who knows.

Speaker 5 (40:37):
He's trying to make this a bigger thing than oh, well,
it's the fallout from the election. I'm not sure that
there's a second saving of the Washington Post that's going
to happen.

Speaker 6 (40:46):
Per se. I think he's sort of providing a little
bit of cover for it.

Speaker 5 (40:49):
But going back to the first issue, we did get
a text that I think is an important one because
it's just about sincerity and hope. I hope Jeff Bezos
is telling the truth. Musk shouldn't be partial. Yes, I
think that puts it succinctly and is very well said.

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Musk should not be partial, and Besos needs to be
honest in these kinds of discussions. I think he probably
is for the most part, but you never know for
sure because at his level, he's very savvy with these

(41:32):
kinds of things. So I've been keeping tabs like everybody
else here has on Talk radio Land of the trend
de Aragua apartment situation in Aurora, five minutes from where

(41:52):
I used to live when I was in Aurora, these
apartments that were taken over by TDA. Well, rather than
investigating what happened here as far as TDA and their
mouthfeasance and their threats and their intimidation and their extortion

(42:14):
and their violence, the Colorado Attorney General's Office, overseen by
of course, Attorney General Phil Wiser, is, according to the Gazette,
investigating the business practices of the Aurora apartment complex owners
at the center of a political storm arising from illegal

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immigration and the tentacles of a Venezuelan prison gang.

Speaker 6 (42:44):
In the Metro area.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
Under the Colorado Consumer Protection Act, Assistant Attorney General Adam
Rice issued a subpoena to the owners of CBZ Management
to produce a myriad of records related to its properties.
The demand included documents and information related to the company's
employees and leases, as well as property maintenance and the

(43:08):
condition of units. CBZ Management is a Brooklyn based business
that owns eleven properties in Colorado. I want to clarify
something because I've talked with I don't know why the
news side keeps making mistakes there and I'm a columnist
in the opinion side regarding the CBZ Management is not
the owners of these buildings. There's another company that it is,

(43:31):
and I've talked with an investor in that they manage
these properties in Colorado, including the three apartment complexes in Aurora.
Bud Sladkin, a CBZ Management attorney, did not respond to
an email seeking comment, but in an email to Curtis Morrison,
a Deputy Attorney General, Sladkin lamented the situation by blaming

(43:54):
Governor Jared Pulis's in action and Bidis Harris administration's failing, failed,
and mcgret policy. I am sure you have seen the
media reporting on our client's apartment buildings and the Trendeiragua
Venezuelan gang that took them over. Sladkin wrote on September
twenty third, things are not going well. Aurora flipflops from

(44:16):
saying the problem is our East Coast slumlord and then
states the problem is the gangs. Though the governor has
expressed the desire to provide help, the problem still persists.

Speaker 6 (44:29):
Look, this is maybe there's something there.

Speaker 5 (44:34):
I don't know who knows for sure, but to me
this is outrageous because what we have seen from Governor Polis,
from Congressman Jason Crowe, from Mayor Mike Johnston of Denver
has been a consistent head in the sand, nothing to

(44:55):
see here, denial of the problem.

Speaker 6 (44:56):
Even as we know.

Speaker 5 (45:00):
So many specific details about things going back well over
a year now. There's a great timeline at the Denver
Gazette of the Venezuelan gang in Colorado, tracing back really
to April of twenty twenty one, when they were looking

(45:21):
at there are some issues with the management of these
properties in Auror without a doubt.

Speaker 6 (45:26):
But there's a lot more to it. And the issues
with TDA go.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
Back to September of last year at least, and they've
been crying about this and having meetings, and the FBI
was in a meeting and said, look, we know what's
going on with TDA here and these concerns. I've interviewed
an investor in the properties, like this is serious, this

(45:52):
is real.

Speaker 6 (45:53):
And the Attorney General is spending time.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
As this office, spending time investigating the management company and
these properties from that side, and not looking at the
failures of Aurora, for example, to address the issue or heck,
Governor Polus and his policies. Now, it was outrageous to

(46:17):
see Mayor Johnston compare Trump's operation Aurora to round up
for deportation illegal immigrants starting with and focusing on criminal migrants,
to Tianneman Square and the Tianaman Square massacre of nineteen

(46:40):
eighty nine, which of course was symbolized by tank Man,
the loan protester identity and fate unknown to this day,
standing defiantly before a Chinese Communist military tank, and.

Speaker 6 (46:57):
So he called it.

Speaker 5 (46:58):
He said, look, I'm going to get the police, and
we'll have fifty thousand citizens with us, will be at
the county line, and it will be our Tianamen Square moment.
And then, of course he sort of kind of walked
that back. But I say sort of kind of because
in the same breath he also reiterated, doubling down, that
he joined protesters in risk jail time to hinder federal

(47:22):
law enforcement, to obstruct justice. And I say that because
Trump cannot just find a random illegal immigrant and just
say you're gone. They have significant procedures that need to happen.

Speaker 6 (47:34):
Especially with asylum.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
There's a lot of detail there, a lot that's involved,
step by step, and there's a significant number of illegal
immigrants who are criminals who have been convicted or charged
on what's called the non detained docket by ICE, six

(47:59):
hundred thousand of them, and one point seven million migrants
who have been ordered deported by a judge but remain
in the US.

Speaker 6 (48:09):
Those are the two priorities.

Speaker 5 (48:11):
We might talk with John Fabricatory tomorrow about this that
I interviewed him in my column.

Speaker 6 (48:17):
In the Denver Gazette on Tuesday.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
Denver's mayor chooses hyperbole over reality, and we talked about
this the priorities that need to happen, especially with the
limited number of beds that they have. This idea of
like the FDR style and tournament camps.

Speaker 6 (48:32):
Happening and popping up across the.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
Country is absurd, unrealistic, not gonna happen. They'll focus on
the criminals and those who've already been had their cases
heard and been ordered deported by a judge. Those are

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the two main groups, and the Trump administration will work
with local sheriffs and provide reimbursement when they cooperate with ICE,
providing support for those that do. But hearing Johnston spend
ludicrous comparisons to communist China while colorad AND's are footing

(49:20):
the bill for tens of thousands of migrants. We're talking
about three hundred and fifty six billion dollars according to
Common Sense Institute, while grappling with some very real fallout
from criminals infiltrating their neighborhoods. As I write in the
Denver Gazette, there's no need for hyperbole when reality is

(49:40):
damning enough.

Speaker 6 (49:42):
Because it is Johnston's head in.

Speaker 5 (49:47):
The sand, deny, deny, deny, and then now willing to
obstruct Attorney General Wiser as well. And I like the
guy personally, I've known him since he ran for a
G the first time, But on this I couldn't disagree
with his decision more to do this.

Speaker 6 (50:08):
Or for his office to go about this. He's not
cited in the article.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
It is the Assistant Attorney General Adam Rice, but it's
still under A. G. Wiser's watch, right, So instead of
addressing the issue of TDA and what's happening here is
going after they're they're investigating this company, and on and

(50:34):
on it goes poe Is, It's calling in Danielle Jerinsky's
imagination and so forth. Just absolutely nonsense, absolute nonsense.

Speaker 6 (50:46):
And wrong.

Speaker 5 (50:47):
I mean, when it comes to Johnston, talk about Johnston,
talk about an unserious person on a deadly serious issue
coming in on the KOA common spirit health text line
five six six nine zero text your thoughts in true
or false. At the beginning of this, didn't the City
of Denver contact the owners of these properties in order

(51:09):
to set.

Speaker 6 (51:09):
Up a relationship.

Speaker 5 (51:10):
That City of Denver would pay for their rent for
X amount of months, but then they should be able
to get on their own feet. So it was a
relationship between the city of the Denver and the owners
that put these people in those properties close. Here's my
understanding of what happened. There are at least a couple
of nonprofits, Papagaio and viv Wellness, that had gotten money

(51:34):
from the City of Denver or direct from federal sources
in some cases city getting federal sources and subsidizing and
those nonprofits went and put up illegal immigrants in these
properties and subsidized their rent, and to the detriment of
the properties and the failure of the property owners, they

(51:57):
took the money and they allowed them in.

Speaker 6 (51:59):
And then.

Speaker 5 (52:01):
From that incentive from third party rent guarantees, which is
what it is nonprofits picking up the tabs saying we
will guarantee rent and Colorado's status as a sanctuary city,
the government and the nonprofits incentivize department complexes to enable
migrants to become tenants regardless of their legal or employment status,

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and then enter in the criminal elements of TDA that
exploited a power vacuum, occupying units, They forced out staff,
They established a lawless wild West.

Speaker 6 (52:35):
We are in the West.

Speaker 5 (52:36):
It was a lawless wild West exploiting that power vacuum
so there is blame on the properties without a doubt,
but sort of for let's accept the incentives and the
free rent. This is the problem with government programs trying
to subsidize things, is it provides incentives for private sector

(52:57):
companies to take advantage of that.

Speaker 6 (52:59):
To bring in easy money.

Speaker 5 (53:01):
And then you have a case in point of a
failure right here, and it's much worse than anyone could
have imagined.

Speaker 6 (53:10):
I'm sure.

Speaker 5 (53:11):
I'm Jimmy Sangenberger in for Mandy Connell on the other side,
should we be embracing artificial intelligence? Well, chat with Bradley Treaty,
web guy extraordinaire on this very question as we continue again,
Jimmy and for Mandy on KOA. Jimmy sang in Burger
in for Mandy Connell on this Thursday, the fifth, that

(53:34):
we're coming upon the end of the year, of course,
and there's been a lot of change in technology this
year and over the last few years even longer, with.

Speaker 6 (53:47):
The world of artificial intelligence.

Speaker 5 (53:49):
I mean, when you think about the new things that
are being done with AI, it is extraordinary and very
concerning in so many respects. But to what extent should
we be worried about this transformation. I was having a
conversation with our next guest, Bradley Treaty of Bradley Treaty

(54:09):
Web Design. He does some work, He's done some work
for me on the online space about We were talking
about artificial intelligence the other day and he has fascinating incidents,
say said, Brad, let's have you on KOA when I'm
filling in for Mandy this week, and lo and behold
Bradley Treaty t r e Ede joins me now Bradley,
good afternoon, my friend, and thanks for joining us.

Speaker 13 (54:32):
Hey, good afternoon to you, Jimmy.

Speaker 5 (54:34):
So let's talk about something you have you told me. Look,
everybody needs to think about, especially in the business world,
embracing AI. Don't separate yourself from this and be just concerned,
but embracing. When you talk about embracing AI, what do
you mean, brad Well.

Speaker 13 (54:54):
First of all, AI right now has a is about
six hundred and twenty one billion out worth of business
generated and by twenty thirty two it's looking to grow
to almost two point seventy four billion, almost twenty percent.
So being able to embrace AI is crucial. Some of

(55:14):
the things that we need to think about when we
embrace AI is that it creates efficiency. It allows us
to speed up tasks that are mundane. The other reason
is is it offers a skill enhancement. And there's a

(55:38):
lot of employers increasingly they're seeking candidates with AI experience,
I mean, offering career growth and even higher compensation.

Speaker 5 (55:48):
Yeah, a lot of news reports lately about starting salaries
that are above if you can demonstrate AI skills and knowledge.
Now read you have done a lot of work on
the search engine optimization space. One of the fascinating aspects
of the online marketing hold change, hostel change that we're

(56:10):
seeing with AI is this change in search engine optimization,
this whole notion of Google and so forth. Well, maybe
it's not Google, maybe it's going to be something very different,
generative search engine optimization. Talk to me about what we're
seeing as far as some of the transformations in doing

(56:31):
those searches.

Speaker 13 (56:33):
Yeah, especially with a lot more longer question, longer question
type searches instead of you know, back in the day,
you just say coffee shop and then you find a
coffee shop.

Speaker 11 (56:47):
You know, in a couple of miles.

Speaker 13 (56:49):
Now people are actually saying, hey, where can I find coffee?
Shops that specialized in Greek coffee or where where can
I find or coffee shops that use organic roasted beans
near Aurora, Colorado. Much more longer focus searches. In SEO,

(57:12):
they call this long tailed search words. But from AI perspective,
it doesn't care how short or how long it is.
It'll take that information. It'll be have a deeper analysis
of that keyword, and then it'll allow us to have
better insights, be able to you know, be able to

(57:36):
see more advantages. You know, there there will be challenges initially,
but as people adapt and they have a different type
of mindset to understand that these search engines are going
to give much more detailed answers when they embrace AI
into their engines as of just indexing keywords like the

(57:58):
old school methods.

Speaker 6 (58:00):
They treaty our guest, Brad.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
When I look at AI, one of the things that
we see increasingly is plagiarism. Whether it's a high school
or college kid using chat GPT to do their writing,
or it is somebody submitting an op ed to a
publication and it is written wholesale or close to wholesale
by AI. That being a columnist as I am.

Speaker 6 (58:25):
Is very disturbing.

Speaker 5 (58:26):
How can somebody ethically use AI, whether they're doing something
for writing or they're doing something in the space of marketing.
Say they're putting together some product descriptions and they're not
marketing geniuses, they're just really good.

Speaker 6 (58:41):
At the product.

Speaker 5 (58:41):
And maybe they're a small business and they don't have
the money to hire a team to help them with
their marketing. How can you use that effectively and ethically?

Speaker 13 (58:51):
Well, first of all, we have to think about the
ethical best practices. We need to use AI as a
tool for augmentation, but not as a shortcut for original thinking,
you know, clearly. And we need to be able to
disclose whether or not AI tools or used.

Speaker 12 (59:06):
And that's honest, that's honestly.

Speaker 13 (59:08):
And you know, there are ways that we can mitigate
plagiarism risks, you know, used detection tools, such as using
other tools that are out there. I think grammarly might
be one. Cross verify you know AI output. You know,
just because you generated it doesn't make sense and you
still have to attribute your you know correctly. One other

(59:34):
thing that I just want to say to that is
that you know, we we we need to understand that
we have to still have the human element. You know,
AI can analyze data and identify trends, but humans are
essential for you know, interpreting well. AI can generate content

(59:54):
and designs. You know, it lacks originality, creative speak, understanding
customary emotions like building trust and managing relationships, and understanding
your audience. Is that human touch at AI can not replicate.
I mean, and then of course humans are still needed

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to make sure that whatever AI generated is ethically it's correct.
I found a number of occurrencies that AI isn't one
hundred percent correct. Yeah, so I really think you have
to be able to proofread and say, hmm, does this
cross the E and is the idea.

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
Well Bradley treaty. I gotta tell you, I've seen stories
of lawyers using stuff created by chat GPT that has
wholesale made up cases court cases that do not exist
and just file briefs or what have you, that have mythical,
made up, fabricated court cases plugged in by the AI.

Speaker 6 (01:00:54):
Two final things real quick One.

Speaker 5 (01:00:56):
I got a text message earlier from listener on the
koa common spirit text line. Every revolutionary tech is frightening, just.

Speaker 6 (01:01:06):
When down, hold on.

Speaker 11 (01:01:10):
Up.

Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
Then it disappeared basically talking about how over time the
text the technology is.

Speaker 6 (01:01:17):
It's frightening, it's exhilarating.

Speaker 5 (01:01:18):
At the same time, But it comes down to use
and intent. Give it enough time and humans will make
it safe. But I think some nasty stuff will inevitably
happen beforehand. How do you anticipate the evolution of AI
real briefly?

Speaker 13 (01:01:32):
Again, I really think it comes down to ethics and responsibility.
You know when I say that we need to, you know,
embrace it. We need to realize that AI is here
to stay. When we got high speed internet, you know
it's here to stay. You know, we need to understand

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that the human element is not irreplaceable and that while
AI is a powerful tool, it does not replace the
need for human judgment, creativity, emotional intelligence. We we need
to understand that we need to work hand in hand
with it and use it as a tool and not
a replacement.

Speaker 5 (01:02:13):
Series thirty seconds, So final thought, anything you want to
add that we haven't hit on brand?

Speaker 13 (01:02:19):
I just think again, AI is is is It is
the future of a You know, AI again is not
here to replace humanity, but it's here to empowered. The
best outcomes arise from combining AI's computational power with a
human with us as people for innovation, empathy, ethical stewardship,

(01:02:41):
you know, recognize and invest in. Investigating and investing in
the synergy is going to be the key to unlocking
the potential.

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
Book and you think about it. AI is here to stay.
It's not going anywhere. So it's a matter of how
do you go about it. How do we embrace it
to be effective and not replace that human element that
you're stressing a listener text AI does not have feelings
Space Odyssey sky Net. There you go, Bradley Treaty. Appreciate
your time, brother, Thanks my friend.

Speaker 13 (01:03:09):
Yeah, absolutely, anytime.

Speaker 5 (01:03:10):
We're gonna take a break on the other side more
including gosh, can I do a bumper that involves both
harmonica and bring back the show per a Rod. We're
gonna find out on the other side. Keep it here,
Jimmy in for Mandy on KOA. We're back on KOA.

(01:03:38):
Jimmy Sangenburger in the house filling in for Mandy Connell
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Speaker 6 (01:04:21):
Did that qualify a.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
Rod we Ell scenes, how I played the fire sound effect? Yes, yes,
it did you know? That was with just a smidge
of thinking.

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
Just imagine with some more foresight what could be created?

Speaker 6 (01:04:36):
You never know?

Speaker 5 (01:04:37):
That was fun and you were just we talked about
this earlier in the show. You were just in New
Orleans and got to see some great music there. And
one of the things that that just to me is
powerful about music, especially blues, jazz, a lot of rock
is that improvisational piece.

Speaker 6 (01:04:56):
But not just that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
It's how music can speak to the soul, how it
can make you want to tap your feet, get up
and dance, play along, if you have an instrument, sing along,
what have you. There's something visceral about that, and I
think there's a human connection that we are missing. We
were just talking with web guy Bradley Treaty about AI,

(01:05:21):
artificial intelligence and embracing AI and how AI can be
incorporated because well effectively ethically, because it's got so many
detriments to it that we are seeing things to be
concerned about, but a lot of positives. And he stressed
the importance of human connection and that's something I think

(01:05:43):
that we are lacking increasingly and We saw this a
lot during COVID. Big reason why people we have been
so depressed since then, why we've had mental health issues
for children and more, it's because of the concer concerns
that they've had from being separated from other people, the
feelings of loneliness, and in the case of kids, being

(01:06:09):
thrust away from the social situations that you need that
helps shape you as kids in your life day in
and day out.

Speaker 6 (01:06:22):
You can't go to prom, you can't.

Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
Go to school, you can't do your sports, or shutting
it all down you come back to school.

Speaker 6 (01:06:29):
Oh, you gotta wear a mask, you can't see faces.
The list goes on. We did such a disservice to kids, especially,
but everybody that lack of a human connection.

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
The mental health crisis went beyond the payof because of
that absence from the interaction. And I remember in twenty
twenty I did a number of gigs with a country
band during COVID when things will be up and out
where you could go out and do shows.

Speaker 6 (01:07:03):
And it was it was sad.

Speaker 5 (01:07:05):
Because you'd go to these venues and they had these
strict limits on how many people could be in there.
They were supposed to wear a mask unless you're playing
what have you? And it was even then you were
trying to connect with people, but there was that distance.

(01:07:26):
So yeah, human connection absolutely critical and music provides that
so much. And I remember people getting now for the
first time and they were just excited. There were very
few bands willing to go out and play like we were,
and it was a blast and there was some of that,
but there was also a little bit distance at the
same time, listener texts coming in. My goal was to

(01:07:51):
be proficient in riding a horse in the back country
and playing the harmonica. I have the horse part now,
but I just can't figure out how to play the harmonic.
Any suggestions One word YouTube, get yourself a Key of
C harmonica owners my favorite brand and the Key of
C and that's the learning harmonica. Go on to YouTube.

(01:08:15):
John Gindick also put out some really great harmonica lessons
of books that I started with when I.

Speaker 6 (01:08:22):
Was a kid. So that's a way to go about it.
What a blast. I'm Jimmy Sangenberger.

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Speaker 6 (01:09:36):
You want to join in the conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:09:37):
Five six six nine zero is the number for the
KOA Common Spirit health text line. So Trump is going
to be president, and once again we'll bring a skepticism
of international relations as they've traditionally been done. For example, NATO,
we saw it during his presidency. Orth Atlantic Treaty Organization

(01:10:01):
faced a lot of pressure from Trump for its other
members to spend more on defense because the United States,
in his mind, was carrying too much of the burden.

Speaker 6 (01:10:10):
And guess what, it worked.

Speaker 5 (01:10:13):
And then they pulled back a bit under Biden because
Biden didn't have that kind of pressure and was willing
to take the load. Although Europe has you may not
be aware of this, but Europe has spent more than
the United States on Ukraine. But when it comes to NATO,
there's a lot of questioning about how Trump's relationships will

(01:10:34):
impact that national international body. And Mark Rutt, the NATO
Secretary General, was asked about this and whether or not
he has concerns and so forth about Trump coming back
and what he said might surprise.

Speaker 6 (01:10:53):
You preparing for his return.

Speaker 15 (01:10:57):
But he was wind invent eighteen when he said that
we had to spend more. And I think it is
thanks to Donald Trump that NATO, when you would for
a second exclude the US, is now at the two percent,
which was Agrede and twenty fourteen, but not a lot
happened between twenty fourteen until Donald Trump came on board
in twenty sixteen twenty seventeen, and since then we have
massively on the European side increased our defense spending. So

(01:11:22):
this is things to Donald Trump. But we need to
do more. We cannot stick at the two percent. It
has to be much more. If longer term we want
to keep the de terms against the Russians and others
in a good shake, so we have to do more.
And so here I agree with him, and what I
need from him from Donald Trump is that the huge
defense industrial base in the US and Europe and all

(01:11:45):
as are spending hundreds of billions of dollars in the
US buying American gear, but it is so commersome. It's
so difficult to get to the stuff because you have
to get agreement for the Pentagon and the White House
and the Congress.

Speaker 5 (01:11:59):
S I is targeting about some of the difficulties and
aspects of international affairs with the United States. Okay, fair enough,
but listen to what he said. Trump is right, we
needed to pay more. I don't think he has any
intention contra the scare mongering of pulling out of NATO.
He can't even do that himself. United States is a

(01:12:21):
treaty partner. My understanding is a president can't unilaterally pull
out from NATO, and the implications of doing that would
be extraordinary on the globe.

Speaker 6 (01:12:32):
I don't see that happening. But what I do see
is more pitching in from European NATO members.

Speaker 5 (01:12:40):
And as the Secretary General of NATO himself just said,
Trump was right, we need to spend more.

Speaker 6 (01:12:47):
We've been doing that, we need to continue to do that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:52):
Now This is especially interesting given the tariff trade dynamics
from Trump use threats of tariffs ostensibly as a cudgel
to get or leverage to get certain responses, such as
Mexico to do more at the southern border, Canada to

(01:13:13):
do more at the northern border, even though there's not
much going on there now. Trump is running what actually
calls a shadow presidency that is clouding Biden's final weeks,
noting that the Trump effect is real, but posturing and
preparation by companies, allies, and adversaries don't tell the whole

(01:13:35):
story of what his record will actually look like once
his policies are implemented, and we're not sure how those
policies will actually take shape because a lot of Trump's
appointees are free trade people, So, for example, among his
Wall Street based economic team, he's mostly pulling from Wall
Street for major economic posts. His Treasury and Commerce secretaries

(01:13:58):
are Scott Bessen and Howard Lutnik, respectively, and they've previously
opposed using tariffs, broadly using terriffs as a weapon. Kevin
Hassett is the National Economic Council chairman, and he's a
conventional conservative economist and a free trader.

Speaker 6 (01:14:21):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:14:22):
Lutnik, who also was tapped to help lead Trump's transition team,
has been repeatedly insistent on the record and background, according
to Robert Kutner at Prospect dot Org, that Trump is
proposing tariffs mainly as bargaining leverage, but at the same time,
Trump has always, going back to the eighties when he

(01:14:43):
was concerned about Japan, long before China, he has always
supported tariffs as a means for the United States to
have more advantage than that. He feels we are being
taken advantage of by other countries in trade agreements and
how those things are set up, and the United States

(01:15:07):
is getting screwed because of those agreements.

Speaker 6 (01:15:11):
And this goes back decades.

Speaker 5 (01:15:12):
It's not just historically been about negotiating leverage per se,
but also trying to advantage American workers in industry. Now,
the reality is that at least to an extent, tariffs
will provoke an increase in prices. Sure, some businesses will,

(01:15:32):
exporters companies will hold back on price increases as much
as they can because they want to maintain their imports
into the United States. They want to have if they're
American companies with overseas factories. They want to make sure
that their products are still made more cheaply, so they'll

(01:15:54):
they'll eat as much of the costs as they can.
But you can only take so much when you're talking
about twenty five percent or one hundred percent tariffs. So
will the tariff man, as Trump once called himself, will
the tariff man actually bring about widespread tariffs, massive tariffs?

Speaker 6 (01:16:11):
Or is this just negotiation leverage.

Speaker 5 (01:16:13):
The Mexican president says, I didn't actually agree to anything
about shutting down the border, but we did see the
biggest fentanyl bust with the Marines in the Navy for
Mexico just in the past week. As a result, maybe
if Trump, who knows, we'll see what happens as far

(01:16:34):
as this leverage he's talking about, or if it might
result in real tariffs that could have implications for markets
and consumers, because last thing Trump wants is to become
the next president known for inflation on his watch.

Speaker 6 (01:16:51):
What do you think?

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
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Speaker 6 (01:17:13):
So this is a scary story. The CEO of.

Speaker 5 (01:17:17):
United Health shot clearly it seems intentionally. Brian Thompson, somebody
waiting outside for him, was shot at close range in
midtown Manhattan Wednesday morning outside the Hilton Hotel. Chilling video

(01:17:38):
caught it on tape, with a masked man wearing a
black hoodie, sweatshirt and a backpack walking up behind him
and raising a handgun with glove covered hands. And not
only that video, but now there are parts of his
face that are seen in additional footage and images that

(01:17:59):
have been released. But the identity is I understand it
is still unknown.

Speaker 6 (01:18:06):
But this is shocking. This was in Manhattan.

Speaker 5 (01:18:09):
This is the CEO of one of America's largest insurance companies,
United Hell, and this could happen for him being gunned
down in the middle of Manhattan outside of a hotel.

(01:18:29):
And of course we've seen two attempts on life of
now President elect Donald Trump. What is going on in
our society today where people feel so brazen as to
do something like this.

Speaker 6 (01:18:42):
It's just absolutely horrifying.

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
I have a cautious optimism that they will find the
guy who's responsible for this and that justice will be done.
But it is very frightening to think that this sort
of thing can happen in the United States, but it does.
It shows that when it comes to violent crime that
has been up, up and up in American cities, Denver
not immune by far. When it comes to violent crime.

(01:19:14):
Nobody is immune. Nobody will be guaranteed spared from this
kind of violence, and that is another tragedy, but it
is the new reality in which we live.

Speaker 6 (01:19:40):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:19:42):
I want to go back to something text message we
got earlier talking about Trende Ragua in what was happening
in Aurora, Denver. Listener text came in saying there are
no TDA members in those Denver buildings. They are just very,
very poorly managed. Deporte doesn't need to happen, and TDA
needs to be a priority, but the management company also

(01:20:03):
needs to be held liable for how they're treating these
residents who are paying rent.

Speaker 6 (01:20:08):
Now, that last point is fair to a point.

Speaker 5 (01:20:13):
There are problems that were pre existing at these buildings,
but that doesn't mean that the former The first part
of that text is true.

Speaker 6 (01:20:23):
That there are no TDA members. Well maybe not now.

Speaker 5 (01:20:27):
In those buildings because I think they've been turned over
and they've been cleaned up.

Speaker 6 (01:20:32):
But there were. We know this, this is documented, This
has proven. In fact, two.

Speaker 5 (01:20:39):
Of the guys from that now infamous video from one
of those buildings who are confirmed TDA. In fact, all
six of them were confirmed TDA as I understand it.
Two of them were just arrested in New York City
and a major bust with drugs and a cash of
ammunition and firearms, and that's real exist.

Speaker 6 (01:21:01):
So no, that is not true.

Speaker 5 (01:21:03):
Sure, maybe there's some poor management fair but that doesn't
mean that there aren't TDA members or there weren't, because
there were. That has been proven time and time again
and known to law enforcement as internal uror emails and
more demonstrate we got to run to the break.

Speaker 6 (01:21:21):
On the other side, Gordon G.

Speaker 5 (01:21:23):
Chang has some insights on what's been happening in South Korea.

Speaker 6 (01:21:27):
This is fascinating.

Speaker 5 (01:21:28):
A short lived martial law declared by the president and
then ended.

Speaker 6 (01:21:32):
What's going on there. We'll check in with Gordon G. Chang.

Speaker 5 (01:21:34):
On the other side, I'm Jimmy Sangenberger in for Mandy
Connell here on KOA. Jimmy Sangenberger back in the saddle
here on KOA in for Mandy Connell today as well
as tomorrow, when we will have John Fabricatore on I
think in studio at one o'clock to talk about really

(01:21:55):
get an understanding of some of the.

Speaker 6 (01:21:57):
Technical sides of what is actually.

Speaker 5 (01:21:59):
Possible with illegal immigration, deportation, all of that in terms
of Operation Aurora and so forth, what is realistic versus
the things that are not going to happen, some of
the hyperbole from the likes of Mayor Mike Johnston, so'll
be sure to tune in for that. But this week

(01:22:19):
some of the big news has been something absolutely stunning
that I have not seen before, and it's striking when
you see the explanation for it as well, and that
is in South Korea, the President of South Korea declared
a state in essence of state of emergency, but he

(01:22:41):
declared martial law. It didn't last long, it was I
think within like twenty four hours, but his justification and
explanation for it was the opposition leaders are in the
pocket of North Korea and we need to protect our
democracy by implementing martial law, which seems a bit of

(01:23:05):
a contradiction. I wanted to bring on someone who really
understands what's happening in South Korea. In fact, he wrote
a fascinating book called Losing South Korea, among many others.

Speaker 6 (01:23:16):
His most recent book, China Is Going to War. Gordon G.

Speaker 5 (01:23:22):
Chang is a prolific author, and he's written for numerous
publications and is a senior fellow at the Gatestone Institute.

Speaker 6 (01:23:28):
And he joins me now, Gordon, sir.

Speaker 8 (01:23:31):
Welcome, thank you so much to me.

Speaker 6 (01:23:34):
Good to talk with you, my friend.

Speaker 5 (01:23:35):
Okay, so let's just look top line at what happened
with President Yun and this short lived martial law. I
think there was a one hundred percent vote against him
saying we need to not do this in their legislature,
and then we'll get into some of the nitty gritty
what really happened here.

Speaker 8 (01:23:53):
Okay, Tuesday night, Korea time, President Yunserkiel declared martial law.
He sent the military to surround the National Assembly building,
and so legislators got through, however, and they held a vote.
It was one hundred and ninety to zero to resume
martial law. The six three hundred seat legislature and June

(01:24:16):
six hours later actually rescinded the decree. This has been
a debacle for the conservative movement. President Yun is right
in the sense that the progressives, the leftists, they're pretty
much in the pocket of North Korea. But the people
of South Korea knew that, and it was wrong for
President Yun to declare martial law. If nothing else, it

(01:24:40):
was extremely unpopular. He is facing an impeachment vote either
tomorrow or Saturday, and it's likely that he will be
impeached as the two thirds required, and it appears that
some people from his party, the People's Power Party, will
side with the opposition. If he is in fact in

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then a constitutional court will have to decide whether to
actually remove him. If he's not impeached, we can expect
large protests throughout South Korea for a very long time.

Speaker 5 (01:25:13):
Follow our guests Gordon Guchang on X At Gordon g Chang,
you know one thing to me that was just I
don't like this. When somebody makes an argument for something,
whatever it is, we need to save X by doing
why and why is entirely contrary to X. In this case,
we have to save democracy. That sort of attitude from

(01:25:35):
North Korea sympathizers, and so we're going to declare martial
law that is the antithesis of democracy or a democratic approach.
How do you view the justification of President un here?

Speaker 8 (01:25:50):
Yeah, there is no justification for this. Unfortunately, when he
declared martial law, I thought that there was some special
set of facts that we did not know about which
he was going to reveal to explain why he took
this extraordinary step. But he didn't do it, and so
we just assume that there was no justification for this

(01:26:11):
move and that he's going to pay for it because
the people of South Korea, one way or another will
remove him from office.

Speaker 5 (01:26:18):
You wrote a book several years ago I mentioned it before,
called Losing South Korea, and I'm wondering if you could
talk a little bit about what had been happening in
South Korea where it was like they weren't aligned with
the United States and our interests in North Korea, because
prior to this administration, I think that's current in South Korea,
you had a different circumstance where the more left wing

(01:26:43):
groups and elements in there were more sympathetic to North
Korea or to trying to going towards unification or what
have you talk to us about those dynamics.

Speaker 11 (01:26:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:26:53):
President Yuan's predecessor was moonjay In of the Democratic Party
in Korea. Moon the predecessor denied he was a communist,
but he governed as if he were very pro North Korean.
And during that time, Moan did all that he possibly
could to undermine the alliance with the United States, and

(01:27:17):
he did all he possibly could to undermine relations with Japan.
Japan's important for South Korea because it's very difficult for
the US to honor its treaty obligations to defend South
Korea if Japan is not cooperative. The US is treaty
allies with South Korea, treaty allies with Japan, but South

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Korea and Japan are not treaty allies. One of Yun
President Yun's big accomplishments, and it's a profile encouragement moment,
was that he actually worked very hard to put together
a security relationship among the US, Japan, and South Korea.
But as on his domestic policies, Yun was a disaster

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involving himself in, among other things, scandals, So Loon was sorry.
President Yun was very unpopular approval rating of below twenty percent,
and that meant that, I guess President Yune felt he
had to result too drastic measures liked in martial law declaration,
but that made him even less popular.

Speaker 5 (01:28:23):
It's interesting now he's also according to the Wall Street
Journal polling at less than twenty percent support.

Speaker 6 (01:28:30):
Gordon g Chang our guest.

Speaker 5 (01:28:32):
I want to ask you about the Biden administration's policy
towards North Korea, in particular as we near the close
in just over a month of the Biden Harris administration,
how do you evaluate that and what do you expect
to be different about the incoming Trump administration, especially with
the likes of Marco Rubio as Secretary of State and

(01:28:53):
who knows what we'll end up seeing as far as
Secretary of Defense if that is in fact Pete Hegseth
or somebody else.

Speaker 8 (01:29:00):
Yeah, the Biden administration didn't have a North Korea policy.
They just ignored it to the greatest extent possible. And
this was interesting because during the Obama administration where Biden
was Vice president, where he was the foreign policies are
again they had a policy of strategic patience, which was

(01:29:22):
again ignoring North Korea to the greatest extent possible. That's
in contrast with President Trump during his first term had
a very active North Korea policy, which ultimately did not work.
But I think Biden reverted to that let's see if
we can just ignore Kim John Runn for as long

(01:29:43):
as we can, and that's exactly what Biden did.

Speaker 5 (01:29:46):
Looking at Trump, we were talking over the years of
the Trump administration, you and I Gordon G. Chang, and
one of the things that we noted in the beginning
with fire and fury and so forth, was he really
took a tough stand North Korea and then brought to
the table where he actually met personally face to face
with Kim Jong un at the demilitarized Zone between South

(01:30:09):
Korea and North Korea. And then from there it seemed
that the Trump foreign policy.

Speaker 6 (01:30:16):
Approach to North Korea got I think weaker. It no
longer was as effective.

Speaker 5 (01:30:21):
How do you evaluate that and do you think that
the Trump administration that's in coming will look differently at
that approach.

Speaker 8 (01:30:30):
That's a great question. Trump's policy ultimately failed with regard
to its outreach to North Korea because North Korea was
not in a position or Kim Jong Run, the leader
was not in the position to deal in good faith
with the US, and really what Trump was trying to do,
I think was to separate North Korea from China. This

(01:30:54):
time around, in a second Trump administration, I don't think
that there is any possible ability of an outreach to
North Korea. This time we have North Korea now supplying
artillery shells, short range ballistic missiles, and soldiers to Russia
for US. In Ukraine, you have a desperate Kim Jong Run.

(01:31:15):
I just don't see that there's any real opportunity there
to try to pry Pignan away from Beijing, or for
that matter, in Moscow. President Trump's fall surprises. I'm sure
he's going to try something. He really enjoyed talking to
Kim Jong Run, but unfortunately the interests of the United
States and the interests of North Korea I think are

(01:31:37):
too diversion.

Speaker 6 (01:31:38):
A final question for you, Gordon G. Chang, Let's look
at China.

Speaker 5 (01:31:42):
You have written prolifically on China, including your most recent book.
China is going to war, their economy is really struggling,
and of course Trump is coming in with a very
different attitude from the Biden. Harris administration. How do you
think think the Trump vance administration will approach things differently

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from Biden.

Speaker 8 (01:32:06):
President Trump has promised to impose across the board tariffs
on China. There's ten percent across the board tariffs for Sentinel.
These are additional in teriffs, and he's also previously said
that he would impose terras, so at least sixty percent
across the board on Chinese goods. Many people think that
that's just sort of a negotiating employ We're going to

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find out. The one thing during the campaign that was
clear was that President Trump wasn't just talking about tariffs
to get elected. He really believes in the use of tariffs.
And I think that he's right. But the point is
this is a view which he's studied, this is a
view that he has consistently maintained for more than a decade,
and so I think we probably will see tariffs.

Speaker 5 (01:32:52):
And are you optimistic about the next four years compared
to the last four years? How do you sort of
look big picture from a broad or not just China
in North Korea, but a broader foreign policy perspective.

Speaker 8 (01:33:03):
Well, the world is falling apart right now. We have
these wars in Europe, we have insurgencies in North Africa
that look like wars, war in the Middle East, at
China which is threatening war in East Asia. So I'm
not optimistic about anything at this point. I can say
I'm more optimistic with the President Trump for twenty twenty

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five and the following years than I would be President Harris,
largely because I think Harris would have continued the Biden policies, which,
although they sounded good to the year, we're producing disastrous results.
I'm not saying that President Trump will do better. The
situation is far more volueratble around the world, but I
think that we will see the bad actors give the

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United States and others wider births, which is a good
thing because I think they are afraid of President Trump
and that least gives us the makings of a solution.

Speaker 6 (01:34:02):
Gordon G.

Speaker 5 (01:34:03):
Chang follow him on x at Gordon G. Chang Always
a pleasure, sir. Thank you so much for sharing your
perspective today.

Speaker 11 (01:34:10):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 6 (01:34:12):
Gordon G. Chang joining us on the program his website
as well.

Speaker 5 (01:34:16):
Gordon Chang dot com one of my longtime guests on
issues of China and North Korea.

Speaker 6 (01:34:23):
I appreciate his perspective.

Speaker 5 (01:34:25):
I'll just say this that when it comes to the
foreign policy that we're going to see moving forward, I'm
not sure how he will approach he being President Trump
and his administration, how he will approach the dynamics of
trade tariffs and using that as a cudgel or a

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leverage against China or other countries, because it's not just
China that he's talking about in terms of that policy.
It goes beyond that into other areas, into a parts
of the world, including our neighbors.

Speaker 6 (01:35:03):
Mexico and Canada.

Speaker 5 (01:35:06):
And then, of course there is the aspect of NATO
and trying to get NATO countries to spend and put
more forward. We talked about this earlier on in the program,
Mark Rutt, the NATO Secretary General, offering up some perspective
on this.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
Turn.

Speaker 6 (01:35:25):
How is the alliance preparing for his return?

Speaker 15 (01:35:29):
But he was right in twenty eighteen when he said
that he had to spend more. And I think it
is thanks to Donald Trump that NATO, when you would
for a second exclude the US, is now at the
two percent, which was a greete and twenty fourteen, but
not a lot happened between twenty fourteen until Donald Trump
came on board in twenty sixteen twenty seventeen, and since
then we have massively on the European site increased our

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defense spending. So this is thanks to Donald Trump, but we.

Speaker 6 (01:35:56):
Need to do more.

Speaker 5 (01:35:58):
That is interesting coming from the Secretary General of NATO
and the NATO members supposedly very concerned about Trump coming in.

Speaker 6 (01:36:06):
How will it actually unfold? What will happen? Nobody quite knows.

Speaker 5 (01:36:11):
Meanwhile, a big factor in this whole equation is who
will be the Secretary of Defense?

Speaker 6 (01:36:19):
Right now, you have him battled. Pete Hegseth.

Speaker 5 (01:36:24):
Veteran himself and a Fox News anchor on Fox and
Friends Weekend, known for his quote unquote anti woke attitudes,
and he is under fire for all kinds of allegations.
And there was a whole thing now with The New
York Times doing an expose on an email that was

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leaked out from his mom to him back in twenty
seventeen or twenty eighteen.

Speaker 6 (01:36:51):
Amit a divorce?

Speaker 5 (01:36:52):
A nasty divorce with his ex wife he had cheated
on her and fathered out of wedlock with another woman
who was a fire executive producer would Nate. Later, Mary
and his mother excoriated him for it.

Speaker 6 (01:37:05):
It was personal.

Speaker 5 (01:37:06):
I mean, these are things between families and among them.
But it's out in the open because he's running for
Secretary of Defense, not running per se, but he's vying
for that position, and the public is going to wonder,
the media is going to ask, and a lot of
these things are now in the sexual assault allegations and
so forth, a lot of these things are questions that

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are abounding about him dogging his nomination. Whether you think
they should be or not, the fact is it is
a problem.

Speaker 6 (01:37:40):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:37:40):
Who knows how good her sources are on this one,
but the New York Times Maggie Haberman reporting, and I
think this was on MSNBC or it's on CNN. I'm
pretty sure MSNBC that most of them, those in Trump's orbit, well,
they have a particular view on the Hegseth possibility.

Speaker 16 (01:38:04):
People in Trump's orbit do not think that this is
looking like a you know, a likely prospect that Pete
Hegseth survives, just because if you look at this litany
of things that he is talking about. Number one, these
stories have been hanging out for a number of days.
Trump has been complaining privately to people that he feels
like heg Seth should have been more upfront with him,
that he gave him opportunities that he no. I don't

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know whether that's true, but that's what Trump is saying.
We also know, you know, some of these things didn't
come up in a vent that the Trump folks say
that they did. Of Hegseth having heg Sath's mother speaking
to Trump.

Speaker 6 (01:38:37):
Clearly she was speaking to the audience of one.

Speaker 16 (01:38:40):
She began that interview directing her remarks to Trump, and
so she knew what she was supposed to say.

Speaker 6 (01:38:46):
Will it be enough? I don't know.

Speaker 16 (01:38:47):
Most people around Trump are pretty skeptical, and once he
starts talking about possible replacements, it's hard to see why
Senators who are already skeptical would be like, oh, okay, now
I'm going to go along with us.

Speaker 5 (01:39:00):
That's reasonable in terms of an analysis. What will actually happen,
I'm not sure we can say clearly at this point
in time. But this was on Fox News, Penelope Hegseath
his mother yesterday morning, making a direct appeal to Trump
and Republicans.

Speaker 17 (01:39:16):
Pete is a new person, He's redeemed forgiven, changed I
think we all are after seven years. I believe he's
the man for the job. I know Pete, and the
people who know us know Pete. And Trump knows Pete,
and he knows the Pete of today, and he knows
the Pete who is a good father, a good husband

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to Jen. He's got seven kids. He's a wonderful son,
wonderful son, and a wonderful son to his brothers and
all his friends. He's a changed man. And I just
hope people will we'll get to know who Pete is today,
especially our dear female senators, that you would listen to him,

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listen with your heart to the truth Pete.

Speaker 5 (01:40:02):
Look, it's a mother talking about her son. Of course
you have to empathize at the same time, how well
is that actually playing? Did she seem very genuine or
did she seem rehearsed? And that is that I don't
like asking that question. That is a question that people
will ask. This will be very closely examined, and not

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just by the public.

Speaker 6 (01:40:26):
I'm talking about United States senators.

Speaker 5 (01:40:28):
Joni Ernst, Senator from Iowa, already saying not so sure
about Pete. Pete hegseth, but it sounds like Trump, at
least for now, is backing him up. Even according to Hegg,
Seth himself to me, any.

Speaker 1 (01:40:42):
Conversations with the President's hard to stanser.

Speaker 11 (01:40:49):
I spoke to the President like this morning.

Speaker 10 (01:40:51):
He said, keep going, keep like mine, yours here nis
all the way.

Speaker 12 (01:40:56):
Why would I back down?

Speaker 11 (01:40:57):
I'm always going to fight her four.

Speaker 6 (01:41:01):
Why would I back down?

Speaker 5 (01:41:02):
In fact, he wrote a piece for the Wall Street
Journal saying, I've faced fire before, I won't back down.

Speaker 6 (01:41:09):
And we know that when it came to Brett.

Speaker 5 (01:41:11):
Tavanaugh, Trump backed him up and he did end up
getting through. But you had largely a United Republican front
except for a couple of senators, and they managed to
make that happen. Will that take place with Pete? Hegseith,
I don't know. One of the things I found really
fascinating is that Trump has made a point of bringing
forward these nominations beforehand. You've already had some people like

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Matt Gates pull out, the DEA pick for the Drug
Enforcement Administration pull out.

Speaker 6 (01:41:37):
So there you go a lot of people put forward.

Speaker 5 (01:41:41):
This is kind of smart strategy, actually think for Trump.

Speaker 6 (01:41:45):
Now, that is it for me today. Be sure to
tune in tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:41:49):
From noon to three as I am back in the
saddle with John Fabricatory and much more. Tune in then,
have a great evening, and may God bless America.

Speaker 6 (01:41:59):
I'm Jimmy's Sangenberger in for Mandy Connell.