April 23, 2025 • 17 mins
Ever shared something awkward with the big boss and immediately regretted it? This week we're solving the ultimate workplace etiquette dilemma – whether it's appropriate to mention your CEO's personal LinkedIn posts in real life. And if you're eyeing the exit door, stick around for our top three tips on how to resign without burning bridges or making things painfully awkward.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to I'm Mom with mea podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello, and welcome to Biz Inbox. I'm m Vernon and
I'm Michelle Battersbee and Misha. I'm gonna sound like a
bit of a creep here, but I kind of want
to know a bit more about you because I don't
know enough. So I thought, you know what, let's do
some fun facts about what we did at work this week. Oh, personally,
I'm gonna be honest, I haven't done much. I did
(00:36):
write an article that I wanted to talk to you
and so for about It's about task masking, and I
wrote about it about this colleague that I used to
have who pretended that she was really really busy, but
you'll never get much done, as in like the yawning
at the desk, the big sign, the typing loudly, the
sprinting to meetings even though she didn't need to, And
(00:59):
it was just one of those things where when I
learned about task masking now I don't work with her anymore,
but when I learned about it now, I was like, oh,
that's what she was doing. And a lot of people agree.
A lot of people have experienced with this.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
That is so interesting. I don't know if this is
also task masking, but when you started sharing that story,
it reminded me of a manager that I used to
have that would put a bunch of fake meetings in
her calendar because we worked in like this big global
team with offices everywhere, and so she would like go
into work late all the time, be like so I
(01:29):
was on the phone with Australia, and then people would
ask me like, oh, did you have a meeting with
someone so this morning? I'm like no, And then like
it would be like a different country that she was
chatting to their team in the evening, and then I
like started looking in her calendar and there would be like,
you know, call with Michelle, but like I wasn't in
that meeting.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Oh my god, did that piss you off? All you
kind of like respect? Nah?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I was like I like loved her as a person.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I was like, yeah, do your thing whatever, this isn't
my life as a manager. Yeah, okay, what did you
have on this week?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I actually did get something done that was giving me anxiety,
and like I used my own tip. I asked myself
this morning, like what is making me feel uncomfortable? If
I did one thing today would I feel happy if I,
you know, if this was the only thing. And so
I shot some videos about creator earnings and it's having
to like get dress, maybe put a bit of makeup on,
(02:25):
perform to a camera. It really doesn't take me that long,
but it just is a bit of an energy sucker.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, the mental load of actually having to do it.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yes, and then you look at it and you're like,
oh my god, all of that worrying for like two
sixty second videos.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Which is really good because I feel like everyone would
really respect knowing that our bus coaches follow their own advice.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah. And this week we're talking about a big dilemma
when you start a new job, plus an etiquette question
about the big boss, and we'll teach you how to
resign with class.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Okay, we are diving straight in. We're a big question
about a CEO. We got this a message from an
anonymous listener and she says, please keep me anone. But
I want to know, is it weird to ask my
CEO things in their personal life if they share it
on LinkedIn. This is such an interesting question because I
(03:22):
don't really know that many people who share personal things
on LinkedIn. I feel like when you do. Is that
a bit weird?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I mean I am the weirdo then, because on.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
LinkedIn, let me look at your profile.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Well, I've just shared a very personal thing that was like,
you know, my personal life and my career colliding, which
is when I found out I was pregnant, and I
wanted to talk about the hardship that I think a
lot of like career women face when they, you know,
choose to decide to start a family, or even just
(03:56):
around that process of choosing, like so many of us
feel like it'll jeopardize our career, and so I really
wanted to unpack that, and I felt like LinkedIn was
a good place to share that. And so I have
shared quite a bit about my pregnancy journey on my
LinkedIn and I also did do a post maybe a
couple of months ago which was about like my learnings
and like how my work style has transformed or like
(04:19):
expanded since becoming a mum. And so I guess that's
kind of personal. I do feel like LinkedIn is becoming
a bit more personal, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Like, I love a linked influenced Yeah, they're doing quite well.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I saw a post the other day that was, like
someone applying sales strategies to how they proposed to their partner,
which I think is taking it maybe a bit too far.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
But I do.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Think if someone has chosen to share anything about their
personal life publicly, I feel like that is an open
invitation for you to speak to them about it in
real life as well, And I think it makes it
kind of an easy way to break the ice about
a potentially sensitive topic, you know, like you could say
something like, oh, you know, I saw your post LinkedIn
(05:05):
about X. It really resonated with me, or you know,
like I really appreciated seeing that perspective, just to like
kick off the conversation like that. So I think it's
completely fine because they've already made the decision to share
it publicly and invite conversation around that.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
That's so interesting. And is there a difference because with
LinkedIn you can obviously be friends, like make a connection
with someone, but someone can also just follow you and
you don't follow them back. Would there be a difference
between someone who follows you and approaches you about the
stuff you post versus someone you actually have a connection with.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I don't think so, because you've probably had random people
that follow you approach you and talk to you about
things you've shared online before, right, Yeah, Like they would
have said, you know, like I love how you do this,
or like, you know, I love your stories about X,
or I really resonate with this, or I love your content,
you know, and they're complete strangers. So I just think
(05:59):
if anyone's making the decision to share anything public or
on any platform, they are opening themselves up to conversation
around that from strangers, friends, anyone, you know, if it's
on a public platform. And so I'd be surprised if
anyone took offense with someone then bringing it up with them.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, I would say, though, just make sure the context
is right, like if you're going to talk to your
boss about it. Because there has been a time where
I was out with dinner with frogd I'm like, what
did you do? A lovely listener approached me and she'd
listen to me on out loud and like, I was
having such a good time with my friends, and she's like,
I'm so sorry about that breakup, like that was the
(06:38):
worst breakup I've ever heard about it in my entire life.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
And I was like, thanks so much, Oh my god,
I do think it's like just social cues, you know,
in any of those situations, if it's like an out
in public situation with a complete stranger, like just kind
of saying it in passing, you know, or like pulling them.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
To the side quietly. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah, I think if it's your boss, like you've already
got more of a personal relationship with them, and like
they've chosen to share it knowing that you would see it.
Like I've shared a lot of very personal things on
Instagram in particular, and I share it knowing that like
my employees will see this, co founder investors, Like I'm
already putting that lens on anything that I share, and
(07:23):
I'm aware that like it could be brought up with
me or like interpreted by people that I have different
relationships with.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, it's also a bit of a flex. I think,
like if your CEO knows that you're reading their posts
and you're paying attention, I'd be like, oh cool, I'm famous.
Our next question was email to us by a lovely
listener named Alison, and she says, I'm starting a new
job next week and I have no idea what to wear.
I've only done all virtual interviews and have been given
(07:52):
no guidance. I want to make a good impression. Do
I go potentially too formal or too casual? Oh, this
is a really good question.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I'm definitely the kind of person and that overthinks that
first outfit with a new job, are you.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, Oh I don't know. Well, Mama Mia has been
like my one job. But when I went in for
my interview when I was about twenty one years old,
I went way to formal because the only person I
had guidance from was my mom, who worked in corporate banking,
So I knew you were going to say this. We
wore her clothes like I wore this like half length,
(08:35):
like navy blue dress suit ish kind of thing. I
wore little heels. I was like clickie clacking all the
way from Central station to the mam and Me office
and I was greeted by a HR rep who was
in a T shirt and she and I was like,
oh my god, this is so embarrassing. But I have
learned that from new starters who now join Mamma Mia
(08:56):
is that they do give a little video to new starters,
which is we do a lot of fit checks on
our socials of like what everyone's wearing today and pretty
much saying that if you work a mummy, can wear
whatever you want because everyone here wears whatever they want.
I do think they inserted that video after my job
because it was completely wrong, but in that saying, I'm
glad I went too formal rather than too casual.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yeah, honestly, you've given me flashbacks like my mom one
hundred percent styled me for my first corporate job interview
and it was like a black midi skirt, like classic
like office attire with a white shirt.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
You can't even move your legs and you're just like
waddling down this.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah, hilarious. I mean, I think that is such a
good take home for anyone listening though, who has a
company or who is in HR, just knowing that so
many people will find that a bit of an anxious
process and we'll be looking for some guidance. So I
think what Mama Maya does is amazing, like creating a
video and just saying like you don't have to follow this,
(09:56):
but just to give you a bit of an idea,
like here's the general vibe here if you want some inspo,
and if you're the sort of person who overthinks it,
which is a mate. If you're not, then do your thing, honestly,
I think. But I'm the kind of person that would
overthink it, and I would feel uncomfortable if I was
too dressed up, and I would feel uncomfortable if I
was too casual. So I think it's good to try
(10:18):
and land somewhere in the middle, in the realm of invisible.
Like you're wearing an outfit that no one would really notice,
like a black silk maxi or midi skirt that's like loose,
you know, those like silk ones from dish, like a
black one of them.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Oh my god, wait, I'm wearing one. Get up to
get up?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
That's it? Like just a silk midi skirt like that,
with like even something like what I'm wearing, like just
a really simple like long sleeve that's like gray or
black or white just tucked into it, or a color
or a T shirt like what you've got on if
it's summer, some ballet flats. Like that's not ever gonna
(10:58):
be too casual, you know, like it's not going to
be too casual where you stand out, and it's not
going to be too formal where you stand out. If
it does end up being a really formal workplace. You're
kind of in this invisible ish outfit that will get
you by the first day.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Oh that's so smart.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, so I would just go with something like that
invisible outfits. Yeah, that's the only way I can describe it.
It blends.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Coming up after the break, we are going to give
you advice on the right way to quit your job.
So we got this question on our Instagram biz by
Mama Mia. If you have any other questions, feel free
to dm us over there. But this person basically wants
(11:44):
to resign from their job and they're really scared to
resign because I've never resigned before, and I feel like
so many people would have gone through this. But is
there like a step by step guide on how to
resign without feeling like your company hates you?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yes, I mean, I agree with you. I think resigning
can be really scary, So this person's fears are totally valid.
But I also think the fact that they're scared and
they kind of feel bad about it and they're worried
if their company will hate them or not is actually
to me like the armor that will completely protect them
(12:20):
from their company hating them. Like the fact that they're
already thinking like this tells me that they're going to
approach the conversation like also with a bit of like
empathy for their employer and thoughtfulness, and so they're not
going to be the kind of person that their employer
is going to hate, you know. And also employers deal
(12:43):
with people resigning every single day, like this is not
the first time, and it's not going to be the
last time. Someone else probably resigned, and that's how you
got your job in the first place, you know. I
think it's really easy to resign well, because it's super simple.
It's really just about having a face to face conversation
(13:04):
with your manager, letting them know how much you've loved
working there and how much you've loved working with them,
and that this decision hasn't been an easy one. But
you know, you've been offered another opportunity elsewhere, you're really
excited about it. You don't even really need to go
into why you're excited about it, and it's kind of unlikely.
(13:24):
I mean, maybe you're the kind of person that they'll
try to like counteroffer and retain, which like you can
kind of deal with, and that's totally a good position
to be in, as well, but just yeah, having the
face to face conversation, thanking them, letting them know that
like you're kind of open to working with them on
a handover, making it as smooth as possible, wanted to
(13:45):
give them as much notice as possible so they can
advertise for your replacement. And then it's really just about
doing good work through your notice period as well, Like
if you can continue to show up, and I know
it can be hard because you want to mentally check out,
But if you can continue to show up, actually do
your work and leave someone with a really detailed, amazing handover,
(14:08):
you've done so much better than most. Another trap to
not fall into is if you are at an organization
that do exit interviews, don't vent and have like a
bitch session.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
It's not a therapy session.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Don't ye like leave some bombs on your way out.
I think if you don't need to, like a lot
of the time, it's really not worth it. You're already
leaving anyway. You don't want to leave anyone with like
a sour taste in their mouth. Just leave with your
head held high and onto the next Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I think the exit interview one is really good because
if I were doing an exit interview, I feel like
I'd approach it in a way where you potentially could
come back to the business, which is exactly what I
did at my mea Like I left and then came back.
And I feel like it's so important to be honest
in those interviews, but you should be honest for the
next person who has that role of yours.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, that's such a great way to put it, and
one hundred percent like thinking about is this the kind
of business that like I want to maybe come back
to one day and like, are these people that I
respected and liked working with? And like was I appreciated here?
Did I get great opportunities? Has this actually helped me
land this new job that I'm really excited about and
I'm able to, you know, command a higher salary and
(15:21):
things like that. A lot of people don't leave with grace.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
A lot of people do leave on like bad terms
or kind of like throw their toys out of the
pram on their way out, or like show you a
side of them that you just never really thought could
be there.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Does that happen often? Yeah? It does.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Like I've had situations where like people kind of almost
their like expectations are a bit out of whack, or
they think that they can kind of make demands of you,
or I won't share share too much. But yeah, a
lot of people don't leave with grace. It's honestly really
easy to stand out in the pack and to just resign,
(16:03):
give your thanks, do a great hand over, and just
like leave with your head held high.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Easy. Thanks so much for helping us clear the biz inbox.
If you have a work question, you can send it
our way. You can type the link in our show notes,
or you can always dm us on Instagram at biz
by Mama Mia. And if you are one of those
people who hate networking as much as I do, which
I know a lot of my fellow gen z's also do,
(16:29):
mish you and so have taught us away how to
do it in like kind of a non gross way,
which I'm very very excited to listen to. We'll put
a link to that episode in our show notes. My
favorite part was exactly where to stand in a networking
event and that there's actually like multiple zones that you
can just kind of hone into to make it the
room work for you.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Mind blown one hundred percent that TikTok actually blew my mind.
I think it's a good app.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Oh, such a good app. We will be back here
in your biz inbox next week.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Bye bye, Mamma.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
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You're listening to I'm Mom with mea podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello, and welcome to Biz Inbox. I'm m Vernon and
I'm Michelle Battersbee and Misha. I'm gonna sound like a
bit of a creep here, but I kind of want
to know a bit more about you because I don't
know enough. So I thought, you know what, let's do
some fun facts about what we did at work this week. Oh, personally,
I'm gonna be honest, I haven't done much. I did
(00:36):
write an article that I wanted to talk to you
and so for about It's about task masking, and I
wrote about it about this colleague that I used to
have who pretended that she was really really busy, but
you'll never get much done, as in like the yawning
at the desk, the big sign, the typing loudly, the
sprinting to meetings even though she didn't need to, And
(00:59):
it was just one of those things where when I
learned about task masking now I don't work with her anymore,
but when I learned about it now, I was like, oh,
that's what she was doing. And a lot of people agree.
A lot of people have experienced with this.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
That is so interesting. I don't know if this is
also task masking, but when you started sharing that story,
it reminded me of a manager that I used to
have that would put a bunch of fake meetings in
her calendar because we worked in like this big global
team with offices everywhere, and so she would like go
into work late all the time, be like so I
(01:29):
was on the phone with Australia, and then people would
ask me like, oh, did you have a meeting with
someone so this morning? I'm like no, And then like
it would be like a different country that she was
chatting to their team in the evening, and then I
like started looking in her calendar and there would be like,
you know, call with Michelle, but like I wasn't in
that meeting.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Oh my god, did that piss you off? All you
kind of like respect? Nah?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I was like I like loved her as a person.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I was like, yeah, do your thing whatever, this isn't
my life as a manager. Yeah, okay, what did you
have on this week?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I actually did get something done that was giving me anxiety,
and like I used my own tip. I asked myself
this morning, like what is making me feel uncomfortable? If
I did one thing today would I feel happy if I,
you know, if this was the only thing. And so
I shot some videos about creator earnings and it's having
to like get dress, maybe put a bit of makeup on,
(02:25):
perform to a camera. It really doesn't take me that long,
but it just is a bit of an energy sucker.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, the mental load of actually having to do it.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yes, and then you look at it and you're like,
oh my god, all of that worrying for like two
sixty second videos.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Which is really good because I feel like everyone would
really respect knowing that our bus coaches follow their own advice.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah. And this week we're talking about a big dilemma
when you start a new job, plus an etiquette question
about the big boss, and we'll teach you how to
resign with class.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Okay, we are diving straight in. We're a big question
about a CEO. We got this a message from an
anonymous listener and she says, please keep me anone. But
I want to know, is it weird to ask my
CEO things in their personal life if they share it
on LinkedIn. This is such an interesting question because I
(03:22):
don't really know that many people who share personal things
on LinkedIn. I feel like when you do. Is that
a bit weird?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I mean I am the weirdo then, because on.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
LinkedIn, let me look at your profile.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Well, I've just shared a very personal thing that was like,
you know, my personal life and my career colliding, which
is when I found out I was pregnant, and I
wanted to talk about the hardship that I think a
lot of like career women face when they, you know,
choose to decide to start a family, or even just
(03:56):
around that process of choosing, like so many of us
feel like it'll jeopardize our career, and so I really
wanted to unpack that, and I felt like LinkedIn was
a good place to share that. And so I have
shared quite a bit about my pregnancy journey on my
LinkedIn and I also did do a post maybe a
couple of months ago which was about like my learnings
and like how my work style has transformed or like
(04:19):
expanded since becoming a mum. And so I guess that's
kind of personal. I do feel like LinkedIn is becoming
a bit more personal, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Like, I love a linked influenced Yeah, they're doing quite well.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I saw a post the other day that was, like
someone applying sales strategies to how they proposed to their partner,
which I think is taking it maybe a bit too far.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
But I do.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Think if someone has chosen to share anything about their
personal life publicly, I feel like that is an open
invitation for you to speak to them about it in
real life as well, And I think it makes it
kind of an easy way to break the ice about
a potentially sensitive topic, you know, like you could say
something like, oh, you know, I saw your post LinkedIn
(05:05):
about X. It really resonated with me, or you know,
like I really appreciated seeing that perspective, just to like
kick off the conversation like that. So I think it's
completely fine because they've already made the decision to share
it publicly and invite conversation around that.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
That's so interesting. And is there a difference because with
LinkedIn you can obviously be friends, like make a connection
with someone, but someone can also just follow you and
you don't follow them back. Would there be a difference
between someone who follows you and approaches you about the
stuff you post versus someone you actually have a connection with.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I don't think so, because you've probably had random people
that follow you approach you and talk to you about
things you've shared online before, right, Yeah, Like they would
have said, you know, like I love how you do this,
or like, you know, I love your stories about X,
or I really resonate with this, or I love your content,
you know, and they're complete strangers. So I just think
(05:59):
if anyone's making the decision to share anything public or
on any platform, they are opening themselves up to conversation
around that from strangers, friends, anyone, you know, if it's
on a public platform. And so I'd be surprised if
anyone took offense with someone then bringing it up with them.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, I would say, though, just make sure the context
is right, like if you're going to talk to your
boss about it. Because there has been a time where
I was out with dinner with frogd I'm like, what
did you do? A lovely listener approached me and she'd
listen to me on out loud and like, I was
having such a good time with my friends, and she's like,
I'm so sorry about that breakup, like that was the
(06:38):
worst breakup I've ever heard about it in my entire life.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
And I was like, thanks so much, Oh my god,
I do think it's like just social cues, you know,
in any of those situations, if it's like an out
in public situation with a complete stranger, like just kind
of saying it in passing, you know, or like pulling them.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
To the side quietly. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah, I think if it's your boss, like you've already
got more of a personal relationship with them, and like
they've chosen to share it knowing that you would see it.
Like I've shared a lot of very personal things on
Instagram in particular, and I share it knowing that like
my employees will see this, co founder investors, Like I'm
already putting that lens on anything that I share, and
(07:23):
I'm aware that like it could be brought up with
me or like interpreted by people that I have different
relationships with.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, it's also a bit of a flex. I think,
like if your CEO knows that you're reading their posts
and you're paying attention, I'd be like, oh cool, I'm famous.
Our next question was email to us by a lovely
listener named Alison, and she says, I'm starting a new
job next week and I have no idea what to wear.
I've only done all virtual interviews and have been given
(07:52):
no guidance. I want to make a good impression. Do
I go potentially too formal or too casual? Oh, this
is a really good question.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I'm definitely the kind of person and that overthinks that
first outfit with a new job, are you.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, Oh I don't know. Well, Mama Mia has been
like my one job. But when I went in for
my interview when I was about twenty one years old,
I went way to formal because the only person I
had guidance from was my mom, who worked in corporate banking,
So I knew you were going to say this. We
wore her clothes like I wore this like half length,
(08:35):
like navy blue dress suit ish kind of thing. I
wore little heels. I was like clickie clacking all the
way from Central station to the mam and Me office
and I was greeted by a HR rep who was
in a T shirt and she and I was like,
oh my god, this is so embarrassing. But I have
learned that from new starters who now join Mamma Mia
(08:56):
is that they do give a little video to new starters,
which is we do a lot of fit checks on
our socials of like what everyone's wearing today and pretty
much saying that if you work a mummy, can wear
whatever you want because everyone here wears whatever they want.
I do think they inserted that video after my job
because it was completely wrong, but in that saying, I'm
glad I went too formal rather than too casual.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yeah, honestly, you've given me flashbacks like my mom one
hundred percent styled me for my first corporate job interview
and it was like a black midi skirt, like classic
like office attire with a white shirt.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
You can't even move your legs and you're just like
waddling down this.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah, hilarious. I mean, I think that is such a
good take home for anyone listening though, who has a
company or who is in HR, just knowing that so
many people will find that a bit of an anxious
process and we'll be looking for some guidance. So I
think what Mama Maya does is amazing, like creating a
video and just saying like you don't have to follow this,
(09:56):
but just to give you a bit of an idea,
like here's the general vibe here if you want some inspo,
and if you're the sort of person who overthinks it,
which is a mate. If you're not, then do your thing, honestly,
I think. But I'm the kind of person that would
overthink it, and I would feel uncomfortable if I was
too dressed up, and I would feel uncomfortable if I
was too casual. So I think it's good to try
(10:18):
and land somewhere in the middle, in the realm of invisible.
Like you're wearing an outfit that no one would really notice,
like a black silk maxi or midi skirt that's like loose,
you know, those like silk ones from dish, like a
black one of them.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Oh my god, wait, I'm wearing one. Get up to
get up?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
That's it? Like just a silk midi skirt like that,
with like even something like what I'm wearing, like just
a really simple like long sleeve that's like gray or
black or white just tucked into it, or a color
or a T shirt like what you've got on if
it's summer, some ballet flats. Like that's not ever gonna
(10:58):
be too casual, you know, like it's not going to
be too casual where you stand out, and it's not
going to be too formal where you stand out. If
it does end up being a really formal workplace. You're
kind of in this invisible ish outfit that will get
you by the first day.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Oh that's so smart.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, so I would just go with something like that
invisible outfits. Yeah, that's the only way I can describe it.
It blends.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Coming up after the break, we are going to give
you advice on the right way to quit your job.
So we got this question on our Instagram biz by
Mama Mia. If you have any other questions, feel free
to dm us over there. But this person basically wants
(11:44):
to resign from their job and they're really scared to
resign because I've never resigned before, and I feel like
so many people would have gone through this. But is
there like a step by step guide on how to
resign without feeling like your company hates you?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yes, I mean, I agree with you. I think resigning
can be really scary, So this person's fears are totally valid.
But I also think the fact that they're scared and
they kind of feel bad about it and they're worried
if their company will hate them or not is actually
to me like the armor that will completely protect them
(12:20):
from their company hating them. Like the fact that they're
already thinking like this tells me that they're going to
approach the conversation like also with a bit of like
empathy for their employer and thoughtfulness, and so they're not
going to be the kind of person that their employer
is going to hate, you know. And also employers deal
(12:43):
with people resigning every single day, like this is not
the first time, and it's not going to be the
last time. Someone else probably resigned, and that's how you
got your job in the first place, you know. I
think it's really easy to resign well, because it's super simple.
It's really just about having a face to face conversation
(13:04):
with your manager, letting them know how much you've loved
working there and how much you've loved working with them,
and that this decision hasn't been an easy one. But
you know, you've been offered another opportunity elsewhere, you're really
excited about it. You don't even really need to go
into why you're excited about it, and it's kind of unlikely.
(13:24):
I mean, maybe you're the kind of person that they'll
try to like counteroffer and retain, which like you can
kind of deal with, and that's totally a good position
to be in, as well, but just yeah, having the
face to face conversation, thanking them, letting them know that
like you're kind of open to working with them on
a handover, making it as smooth as possible, wanted to
(13:45):
give them as much notice as possible so they can
advertise for your replacement. And then it's really just about
doing good work through your notice period as well, Like
if you can continue to show up, and I know
it can be hard because you want to mentally check out,
But if you can continue to show up, actually do
your work and leave someone with a really detailed, amazing handover,
(14:08):
you've done so much better than most. Another trap to
not fall into is if you are at an organization
that do exit interviews, don't vent and have like a
bitch session.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
It's not a therapy session.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Don't ye like leave some bombs on your way out.
I think if you don't need to, like a lot
of the time, it's really not worth it. You're already
leaving anyway. You don't want to leave anyone with like
a sour taste in their mouth. Just leave with your
head held high and onto the next Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I think the exit interview one is really good because
if I were doing an exit interview, I feel like
I'd approach it in a way where you potentially could
come back to the business, which is exactly what I
did at my mea Like I left and then came back.
And I feel like it's so important to be honest
in those interviews, but you should be honest for the
next person who has that role of yours.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, that's such a great way to put it, and
one hundred percent like thinking about is this the kind
of business that like I want to maybe come back
to one day and like, are these people that I
respected and liked working with? And like was I appreciated here?
Did I get great opportunities? Has this actually helped me
land this new job that I'm really excited about and
I'm able to, you know, command a higher salary and
(15:21):
things like that. A lot of people don't leave with grace.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
A lot of people do leave on like bad terms
or kind of like throw their toys out of the
pram on their way out, or like show you a
side of them that you just never really thought could
be there.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Does that happen often? Yeah? It does.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Like I've had situations where like people kind of almost
their like expectations are a bit out of whack, or
they think that they can kind of make demands of you,
or I won't share share too much. But yeah, a
lot of people don't leave with grace. It's honestly really
easy to stand out in the pack and to just resign,
(16:03):
give your thanks, do a great hand over, and just
like leave with your head held high.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Easy. Thanks so much for helping us clear the biz inbox.
If you have a work question, you can send it
our way. You can type the link in our show notes,
or you can always dm us on Instagram at biz
by Mama Mia. And if you are one of those
people who hate networking as much as I do, which
I know a lot of my fellow gen z's also do,
(16:29):
mish you and so have taught us away how to
do it in like kind of a non gross way,
which I'm very very excited to listen to. We'll put
a link to that episode in our show notes. My
favorite part was exactly where to stand in a networking
event and that there's actually like multiple zones that you
can just kind of hone into to make it the
room work for you.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Mind blown one hundred percent that TikTok actually blew my mind.
I think it's a good app.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Oh, such a good app. We will be back here
in your biz inbox next week.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Bye bye, Mamma.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
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