May 29, 2025 • 39 mins
Family drama is having a moment — and not just in your group chats. From the Beckhams' brewing rift (Brooxit, anyone?) to the ongoing Harry and Meghan royal family saga, the epidemic of estrangement has officially gone celebrity.
This week, we unpack the headlines, the heartache, and what happens when family ties unravel in the public eye.
Plus, our weekend recs: a book that brought tears, the most honest portrayal of divorce on screen, and a little dance treat to lift the mood.
And in Best & Worsts: a numb bum, a dog fight, and a chaotic Friday night dinner. It’s all happening.
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What to read:
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
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that this podcast is recorded on.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Jesse, who do you think Luke would choose? Should we
get him, get him into the studio and ask him.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Oh my god, I find the word choose so loed.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I would expect and hope that he would choose you.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Really, of course, Hello, and welcome to MoMA Mia out
loud and to our Friday show, where you will hear
not one newsy thing, no newsy things. No, I just
thought about that really newsy news. No, no, no, because
that's not what we do on Fridays. Fridays. We just
(00:53):
have good time.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I've got some decluttering news shortly. That's exciting.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
It's Friday, the thirtieth of May. My name is hollywayen Wright.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
My name's Mia Friedman, and I am Jesse Stevens.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
And on today's show, brooksit, Bexit, whatever you call the
growing family in the Beckham family, there are only one
very visible part of what's being declared an epidemic of
family estrangement.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
That's very funny. Brox It Broxit, brox it bes it
is you should trade my.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Family sadness is not funny. I'm sorry, but Broxit bes
it is funny, Yes, for reasons, so we will get
to for sure. Plus a weekend of recommendations, including a
book that made Me have a little bright and two
new shows for your TV binge list. Our best and
worst include a non Bump, a dog fight, and a
Friday Night Dinner. But first me a freedman. Bring us
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that decluttering news.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Oh well. In breaking decluttering news, you might remember Marie
Condo revolutionized decluttering where she said, if it doesn't spark
joy when you hold it or think of it, chuck it.
But now there's a new question to ask yourself when
you're deciding whether or not to keep stuff. According to
a new organizational expert, Amanda Johnson, she says, ask yourself this,
(02:06):
if it was covered in poo, would you keep it?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Oh? This is just bad. This is terrible advice. It
depends on the cost of the thing. And then they're like, oh,
it tells you how much you need it. Okay, Well,
if there was pooh on my toothbrush, I would throw
it out. Yeah, doesn't mean I don't need a toothbrush.
I would replace it because the cost of replacing the
toothbrush isn't a lot. If there was pooh on my couch,
(02:29):
I would wash the couch.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, but that's very true, like if there was pool
on the baby, wash the baby, clean the poo. But
the reason that it's smart, and also, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
What else matters is how much pooh?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And who does and who who?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Many questions about this philosophy, you really do.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
But toothbrushes and couches aren't decluttering things. The necessities. You
need somewhere to sit, you need something to brush.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
An example an umbrella.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
She says that when you're deciding whether you need to
keep something or not, she says, an anxious, overthinking, or
tired brain can convince us to hold onto things we
don't need. Although like for example, it might be reasonable
and expected to have lots of pairs of socks, the
same is not true about things like i'm brellas or
take out utensils or unused sporting and hobby equipment. So
(03:15):
like your ab roller, remember ab rollers, you're probably too young,
But your ab roller, that was a big thing that
people used to do. See them occasionally at council pickups
covered in pooh or even just a bit of pooh.
Say it was your poo, the pool of someone that
you loved or your dog. Maybe would you wash it
or would you just go? Now?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Is that there are just better questions to ask.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I think it fun.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
No.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
A better question is would I pay a move to
move it? I reckon that. That's a question.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Is you look at your ab roller and you go
is it coming to the new place? Are these six
umbrellas coming to the new place? Or maybe do I
only need two or three umbrellas?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And I also, I think that's a boring question.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
I keep looking at it and it keeps going. This
question is really good for people with ADHD. Apparently this
is an ADHD hacke. I like guys, this is not
Ama likes it. Yes, but it's not just people with
ADHD who don't want pool on their things.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I just need that on the table.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
That is a across the board, something no one wants.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
They are but than us, So I always choose you.
These are the words that Brooklyn Beckham posted about his
wife this week that reignited the growing binfire that is
Beckham family relations.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Are we across not as a cross as you are?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Would you like me to give you a quick catch up. Yes,
a bit of a I know you two are you're
quite across the in law situation, so you might want
to jump in there.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
There are role models.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I love that anyway, a quick catch up. The Beckham's,
one of Britain's two royal families, have always been exceptionally tight.
It's been a big part of their brand. Right, David
and Victoria have been married for twenty six.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Years and they have four kids.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
They have four kids, right, Harper is the youngest, and
then they have three boys, and Brooklyn is the oldest.
And let's remember that when Brooklyn was born, back in
the early days of Posh and Beck's mania, they were
tabloid staples. They sold the engagement, they sold their wedding,
they sold the christening. They said, like, we've all seen
Brooklyn in the culture since he was literally born.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Right, And he's tried to sort of have a career
in entertainment, Like he's tried to do photography, He's tried
to do a cooking show.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Jesse, you know that he's a hot source entrepreneur. He is.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
I don't like, he's tried a few things, and of
course I would definitely if it was covered in pooh,
give it a little rinse and put it back in
the fridge because I love it.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
But anyway, he moved to America three years ago when
he married actress and billionaires Nicola Peltz. Right now, the
Beckhams have lived in America at times, and Beckham's senior David,
does have a football team in Miami, so he is
there a lot, but primarily their bases London and the
countryside where David has his bees and Victoria makes frocks.
M But anytime you see the Beckhams in public, they
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post about it. Any big event, Mother's Day, love a
big event and whichever kids are missing, they'll always be
like miss you, Romeo.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
They're very family people.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
They are massively family people. But ever since Brooklyn and
Nicola got married, there have been rumblings, haven't they. We
all remember the wedding rumbling, which.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Is interesting when you hold it up against the other
great this is an alleged estrangement. But the other estrangement,
which is there's always a wedding fallout.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Well, it's like, we really want to blame the daughter
in law, don't we. We really wanted to blame Meghan
for Harry and William falling out. We really want to
blame Nicola for Brooklyn falling out? Well, yes, and it
kind of seems in this case probably true, right, But
for a few years they've been holding it together, Like
Nicholas turned up at some events, and I think she
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made an appearance in the Beckham documentary and she went
to a few fashion shows, but lately not so much.
And everybody got their antennae up about it. When, of
course Beckham had his fiftieth birthday, which was a few
weeks ago. I think we talked about it. He had
like fourteen parties on several continents, and Brooklyn wasn't.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Any of them, and he wasn't really acknowledged either, was
he And he didn't do.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Mess Brooklyn and Nickel, none of that. None of that,
very no.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And no post on Brooklyn's grid, No dad, happy birthday.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
As we've described him before, he is a wife guy.
He posts constantly about Nichola and how much he loves her,
and he posts about her family. He recently did a
big post about her mum for example. Anyway, this week,
in tabloids speak, Brooklyn broke his silence by posting some
lovely pictures of his wife, along with the words I
always choose you, and that of course has been forensically
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examined to mean one thing between my family and my wife.
It's my wife every time. Typical responses to this in
the many, many, many, many, many many comments are if
that was my son, saying that, knowing what the post
is about, I would be devastated. Blood is thicker than
water and any loving wife should never make her husband
choose between her and her husband's family. If she doesn't
(08:10):
get on with them, then she doesn't have to visit.
But if he was any sort of man, he should
have said, don't make me choose. The thing is, this
isn't just a Beckham or Windsor thing. Time magazine recently
declared an epidemic of family estrangement, saying that in the
US one in two adults is estranged from a close relative.
That's a lot and here in Australia. Steven Alone recently
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wrote a big piece in The Australian about the trauma
of parental estrangement and said that often this kind of
divide is cataclysmic for families. He quoted a senior psychologist
to is an expert in contemporary families who said, parents
of adult children are often denied access to their grandkids.
In these situations, siblings have to make a decision about
who to side with, and for the parent, there is
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really no upside. They are left with shame, guilt, and
the loss.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Jesse, who do you think Luca would choose? Should get
Let's get him into the studio and ask him.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Oh my god, I find the word choose so loaded.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I keep thinking, is there any context in.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Which he didn't mean what he mean? Yes?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And is there a way that that could just.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Be, you know, a show of loyalty to his wife
that isn't about ranking people.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
It's a throwown And I.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Can't imagine Luca ever saying that to me.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
But I also I am on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
In fact, it's kind of.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Love it. In all seriousness, I would expect and hope
that he would choose you, really, of course. I mean
I've said many times that when he was little, I
remember coming home from the hospital and holding him and crying,
and Jason was like, why are you crying? And one
day he'll love someone more than he loves me, And
he met Jesse and he does, and now he's got
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Luna and he does. But he's not I see it
in terms of leaderboards, but I'm like, that brings me joy.
What I didn't realize then, even though it was a
bit of a wrench when he you know, when he
moved out and married you and all of that, and
not that it was you, but that loss. There was
definitely lost and grief, but there was also incredible joy
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And that was the way it was meant to be.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Right about if he'd have fallen in love and married
someone who lived in America and went and lived with
their family in one of their big mansions.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Oh fuck that bitch.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Yeah, can you imagine? And then it's like any potential grandchildren,
there's this ocean between you. Like I think that is
to presume that there's any sort of hierarchy in how
you love people. And it's not just for Brooklyn. It
looks like it's not just his parents but his siblings,
Like he was really close with all of those siblings
and now you know he's in the UK and apparently
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not seeing any of them, which feels so tragic. But
there's this guy named doctor Joshua Coleman who is like
an expert on this stuff. He has said that this
new thing is that sometimes when children aren't thriving in adulthood,
they see their parents as the reason why. And in fact,
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there can be many, many reasons, like unhappiness. If you're
unhappy in your life as an adult, there are one
thousand reasons that have nothing to do with how you're parented.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
So if you go to therapy, it's usually the first
thing they want to talk to you about.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Yes, exactly, and that's what they've said. There is kind
of this theory that it's like, is this a seed
being planted by some therapists. On the other hand, our
definition of what constitutes neglect, abuse, trauma has all changed
and been broadened in a way that is quite helpful
in helpful to some people.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
So if you're someone who I know a few people
who are estranged from their parents, and it's their choice,
they have made that choice, and I would say, and
I can only know so much that it is the
right choice for them, that their parents did things. And
this is what I struggle with in the reporting of this,
and also in the reporting of Harry a little bit,
is that from what I can see, estrangement is never
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the result of one thing. It's never the result of
one conflict, one event. It is like the building up
of a certain dynamic over decades where someone has to
say enough is enough. I'm gonna like protect my pa.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
That's is true in real life. It's one of the
things that makes it hard. Obviously have never have any
idea of what's really going on in other people's families,
and certainly not famous people's families. But because they've always
been and projected this public image of familial perfection. I
think that Brooklyn's hot sauce, for example, that I would
wash the poo off, is named after David's football number,
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and he was always professed his dad to be as
absolute icon. And as I say, they've always presented this
really tight front. We all know that doesn't really mean
anything behind the scenes, but I think that's often we
look at families from the outside and we go look
at them. They're also close, they're also tight. It must
be so great, and so if something happens to dent
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that image, it's all the more jarring.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
It's also so revealing that we think, you know, recently
we're talking about women feeling like human grout with your analogy,
Maya as in like it's the job of women like
kinship and to mold these relationships. And if you and Luca,
for example, were to have some fracture in your relationship,
it would be somehow my job to fix it. Like
That's what I'm seeing in a lot of this, And
(13:24):
even with the captions and stuff, is like people blaming
Nicola for making him choose, and it's like, yeah, well,
Brooklyn also has a responsibility to his own family.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
And that was the narrative around Megan and Harry as well,
wasn't it. I think often, you know, if you look
at those two things as being similar, Harry and Brooklyn,
the woman gets blamed, but she's possibly just the catalyst
and the getaway car for a man who wants to
get away. And I think that we can't even possibly
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imagine what it's like to be the child of two
of the most famous people in the world who were
still really on top of their game. It's not like
they used to be famous ten twenty years ago. I
mean they did, but they've they've managed to stay relevant
and even with this most recent documentary about David Beckham,
now Victoria Beckham's making one as well. But what's interesting
about the daughter in law coming in and this is
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something I've been very conscious of in our relationship is
until your children start partnering, you're often the mother is
often the main character in the family, and Victoria is
very much the main character in that family. And Nicola
understandably probably doesn't want to be a side character in
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the Beckham family. She wants to be the main character
in her life, and that means not being a cameo
as part of the extended Beckham family. It means, you know,
starting something of her own. And what I think she's
overestimated is the interest in her apart from the fact
that she's married to Victoria and David Beckham's eldest son.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Again, though that makes it sound like there's no coexisting,
you know, because the thing is is you can be
the main character in your house but still recognize that
the matriarch of the fa still has power and place,
you know, like it doesn't have to be in either or.
One of the things that I think is incredibly sad
is that we often hear from women. Recently, I did
a call out for mid women about issues they might have,
(15:22):
problems they might have for an agony on episode, and
a lot of them were about this they were like,
I don't think my new daughter in law likes me,
and I don't know what I've done, or my son
isn't calling me very much anymore. I'm terrified of losing them,
Like I think that, like lots of stages in our life,
we tell ourselves stories of how it will go and
how lovely it will be to be surrounded by your
(15:44):
grandchildren and an extended family and a big table and
lots of people, and if it doesn't play out that way,
it can be absolutely very true.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
And I, you know, I'm just thinking more about what
I said earlier about I would want him to choose
you and all of that stuff. We're in a very
unique situation, and you and I were friends before and coworkers,
but friends. We had a really solid relationship before you
start a dating looker, so already knew that I liked
you and you hopefully liked me a little bit, and
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so it was just a bonus when Luca was with you.
But I've also had an experience when one of my
children's been with someone who I didn't not get on with,
but she clearly didn't get me and was like a
bit taken aback by me, which is completely understandable. It's
interesting in this article I read that we are a generation,
you know ex'es and some boomers who used to be
(16:36):
scared or we grew up scared of our parents, and
now we're scared of our children because the vulnerability you have.
You know, not just if you said to Luca, let's
move overseas, but if you were like I don't like
your mother, or I don't want to go to the
family thing, or you know, the vulnerability of your child
saying I don't want to see you anymore or we're
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cutting loose is gutting, and even more so when you
have children. To remember, my mother said when she became
a grandmother she's never felt more vulnerable in her life
because her access to her grandchildren was completely out of
her control.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
I wonder if our concept of family is changing. I've
actually had these discussions with Luca and with friends of
where the boundaries or the lines of family are drawn.
So for the Beckhams, it's like for Victoria and David
and you know we're projecting a lot here, but they
see Nicola and they go welcome in, welcome in, rat
(17:30):
and like it's the same. I think with in laws
often that it's like exactly right, and it's like you
will be a part of this. Some people, I think
see their family as something smaller, as something more nuclear,
as something that they are inventing, like you know, when
a baby comes along. I think this has a lot
to do with your relationship within laws and your own family.
(17:51):
But you go, okay, now where a family like it's us,
and it's almost like you close the door and I
wonder if that's happening a little bit where you're not
seeing the extended clan as Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
The other thing that's tricky there is that sometimes the
person and you welcome in doesn't like the dynamic they
see with you. Obviously, I'm not suggesting this is exactly
what's happened here, but I've seen it happen plenty of
times in my life where they go, oh, I don't
like the way your mother talks to you, or your brother,
or they always they teach you and they make you
feel small, or we leave there and you're in a
(18:27):
terrible mood, or your dad always you may regress.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yes, or become someone I don't like.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Like who you are in that house, or your dad
bullies you and it makes you seem like, you know,
then I have to pick up the pieces afterwards. Like
there's so much complexity in these kind of relationships that
I know for lots of people, there's a relief of
separating yourself from your family and being able to be you,
you know, like this is me and who I want
to be, and I'm starting again and I'm building my
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family the way I want it to be. I want
to resist the vortex of my old self. You know.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
For a long time too, children were seen in a
position of servitude and that was endless. That was until
the day their parents died. And I think that there's
almost like we see that servitude through But now there's
this changing idea of mutuality or like mutual respect and
like a religation, yeah, and something that's maybe a little
(19:19):
bit more equal. And the people I know who are
very close to their parents, I'm one of them. There
is a friendship that develops. And it's certainly not out
of obligation that I speak to my mom like, it's
because we both get a lot out of the relationship.
So I think that that's shifting that people are going,
I don't owe you a relationship because you gave birth
to me if there are things that I find I
(19:41):
don't like about myself or about you when I'm stuck
in this dynamic. Out Louders in a moment, a book
that made Holy cry, and two shows that you will
want to add to your list this weekend.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Out Louders, We've.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Got a listener dilemma, and we need your collective wisdom
to help us and our partners UI solve it. Please,
here is the problem from our listener. I know in
the scheme of world problems, this ranks very low, but
I'm losing it over someone repeatedly stealing my.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Lunch at work. She writes.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Yesterday my carefully meal prepped butter bowl vanished, making this
the fifth lunch theft this month. I've tried everything, including
labeling my lunch with notes, and even left a couple
of passive aggressive ones, which disappeared along with my food.
Is this the definition of micro penniness. I'm caught between
feeling ridiculous for how much this bothers me and wanting
to spike tomorrow's sandwich with laxatives kidding. Mostly, the rational
(20:35):
part of me knows it's just lunch, but the petty
part of me feels this tiny injustice on a sole,
deep level. I feel like I can't keep bringing it
up at work without being that person who's obsessed with
lunch theft. My colleagues are already giving me side eye
when I mention it, as I should just get over
it already. The question is what do you do next.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
One of my favorite things is passive aggressive notes in
share house kitchens and office kitchens. I do like that,
but it seems like we've leveled up from that because
the notes have been stolen.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
How about a hidden camera? How do we feel about
a heat.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yes, because I don't think this is micro pettiness. I
think someone steal your butter bowl is a big deal expense.
It's expensive, and I think that she has two options
for what to do next either and I know this
isn't good for the world. She wraps it many many, many,
many layers of plastic bags. You know how office fridges
away full of passel and so you can't see what's
in there, so it's not tempting and interesting. Or you
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make your butterer bowls look really ugly, just like really
ugly them up so that people are.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Like, maybe your lunch looks too good? That's so true,
or in all the plastic bags, maybe you can. Like
I was finger painting with Luna the other day, and
I'm imagining you put finger paint on it, but it's
like really good paint and gets like literally red yes
or brown paint.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
But do you steal money in the diet like that?
Speaker 4 (21:50):
And then they walk around the office and it's like, well,
I know you still my lunch.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yes, But my.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Issue though, is what do you do when you find
out who it is? Then it becomes really complicated. So
then literally what do you do? What if it's your mate?
What if it's someone you really like who's steals?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Does steal a lunch? Like not by mist Like it's
understandable to steal a yogurt by mistake? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Five times?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Five times somebody's butta bowl do not list?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, I think you've got to hide it in the CRISPA.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
I think that you've got to like put it somewhere,
Maybe put it in a box that says do not
touch I'll explode or.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Something out loud as what would you do next? Share
your thoughts in the momamea out loud Facebook group. Also
share any dilemmas that you want our help with in
the Facebook group or email us at out loud at
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Speaker 2 (22:38):
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Speaker 1 (22:42):
This is my best recommendation.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
It's Friday, and I know you're hanging for our recommendations
for your weekend. What would you do all weekend if
it wasn't for what outloud tells you to do? So
Jesse Stevens, do you have a recommendation?
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I do, and it's not new. It was actually released
in twenty twenty one. But I have had this list.
I've actually been keeping a list in my phone of
all the recommendations I get Right and Local was away
last week, which meant that all the shows and the
movies that I've been wanting to watch that he would
never want to watch. I went some time that happened.
I kind of love that I had full rain over
the TV and.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Oh you're both so independent.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
I tried like five things and I just went, Now,
I'm not wasting my free week on this crap. This
show got me. Okay, it's called Scenes from a Marriage
on Max.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
You just believe me. There's a couple, nothing can hurt you,
and then you gradually started to realize that actually anything
can hurt you.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
We're gonna sit here and we're going to talk as
long as it takes.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Okay, but there's nothing left to say.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
What is this?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
What is this thing where we can't talk? This is
a pleas Do you know how long I've wanted to leave?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I'm gonna go out of my mind.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
If I don't leave right now, right now, like right
this second. If I don't leave right now, I know
I'm never going to did either.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
If you guys watch this at the time, No, it
was during COVID, so it's about four years ago. Bell.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Well, it wasn't that movie about marriage without him Driver
and Scarlet Your Hair.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
No, that was called something very eat Marriage Story.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Yes, No, it wasn't that. It's got Jessica Chastain and
Oscar Isaac in it, and it was nominated for a
million Emmys and stuff, and it's based on a Swedish
series that was made years ago. It's got a really
good rating and stuff. But basically it's six episodes, so
not too long, and most of it takes place inside
one house and they're like these long scenes about the
(24:35):
breakdown of a marriage, and it goes over a few years,
but the conversations, the dynamics, the tension, the way that
everything that is said has heard a certain way, the
decision of whether or not to have more children. It
was unlike anything I'd seen before, and it made me
(24:55):
you know, how people seem to be getting divorced for
a really long time, Like your friend will be going
through a divorce and three years later it's still happening,
and I'm like, I don't understand. Is it not just
a thing that happens. Wow, I finally got it. It
was like the circularity of the conversation. So neither of
the people are evil and you're on no one's side.
But it was hypnotic the way that they kind of
(25:16):
You've watched the unraveling of this marriage, so scenes from
a marriage on.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Max Mia Friedman.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I've been watching something very different. I've wanted to just
have a bit of a brain break. So I'd heard
about a show called Etoile, which is on Prime Video.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Your company it's in trouble, No, it's not, Yes it is.
Reviews don't matter.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Minus dear, I've got union issues.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
If they strike, I don't have to pay them.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
What the audience is dead. So it's the fonding the scenes.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
They're empty, not ours.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Once we closed off the balconies, the house.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Filled right up.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
We have to fix this. Okay, fine, what do we do?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
We trained our top ten parents and New York.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
First I thought it was like a documentary, but it's not.
It's a drama y Really, it's pretty funny about two
ballet companies, one in New York and one in Paris,
and they're both struggling, as all ballet companies and opera
companies are around the world now to get audiences and
through COVID and everything. And what they do is that
the two chief executives of those companies decide to do
(26:29):
a swap of their principal dancers and some of their choreographers.
So the French ones go to New York, the New
York ones go to France, and it just sort of
follows the two ballet companies. And what happens is there
much ballet. There's quite a chart.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I love what she said.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, there is quite a lot. It's made by a
producer called Amy Sherman Palladino, and she did a similar
ballet show that was a comedy that was really well
received a few years ago called Bunheads has quite a
cop following. I've started watching that as well. That's on
Disney's Gilson Foster. But she made Gilmore Girls, that's what
she's famous for. And she used to be ballerina. You know.
(27:05):
She clearly loves that world and tells the story really beautiful.
Shell Gainsbury's in it. She plays the chief of the
Parisian Ballet Company. It's a bit rom comie. It's funny,
it's interesting, it's easy to watch, and the ballet is beautiful.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Oh okay, that sounds good, Holly.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I'm recommending a book. I am recommending a novel called
Lonely Mouth by Jacqueline Maylee. Now this is not a
feel good novel, by the way, so if you're looking
for like something to lift your spirits and take you away,
it's not that. But it is very good. And I
was reading it because I knew I was doing an
event with Jaqueline Melee, and I was like, I want
to read the book and.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
See what it's like.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
And I loved it so much that when I finished it,
which was on a plane to Melbourne last week, I
was crying my eyes out. I was crying my premier.
So the premise is and Jacquelineilee is an Australian journalist.
She writes for The Age and the Herald. Love first novel, yes,
I can't remember what it.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Was, kind of like a Bell Gibson ESQ. Story. Yeah,
it was really good.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
So it starts with a woman abandoning her two daughters
at the Big Marine in Goldburn. She goes to the
toilet at the servo there, what are great? And then
she leaves them there. One of them is at thirteen fourteen,
that's Matilda, and the other one, Lara, is little three
to four. Right then you meet them again when Matilda
is nearly thirty, and you go through sort of what happened,
(28:27):
go into the foster system for a while, and then
they end up together and then d D da da da,
and Lara goes and lives overseas, and Matilda's in Sydney
and she lives a very ordered, very routine driven life
and she works in one of Sydney's fanciest, like trendiest restaurants.
So there's also this kind of world of that, and
she has a lot of repercussions obviously from her complicated
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childhood and you go back and you find them out.
It deals with eating disorders, which obviously will be difficult
for some people, but in a very interesting, unflinching, but
very human way. It's about sisterhood, it's about moving on,
it's about the things you do to cope. It is
beautiful and it's quite slight the book, and I just
(29:14):
loved being in that world. I kept you know, a
good sign of any book is when you're not reading it,
And I kept thinking about Matilda and her world in
her flatten Darlinghurst and the restaurant in Paddington, and like,
I kept thinking, how she doing.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah. I love the name lonely mouth. I was reading
in pandora Sites's newsletter about lonely mouth and I think
it's a Japanese word for it, and it basically means
when you eat not because you're hungry, but because your
mouth wants company. Yeah, beautiful phrase. After the Breaker, Dog
Fights some feedback for a movie that's Everywhere and a
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Speaker 3 (29:49):
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Speaker 1 (30:14):
Time for Best and Worst, the part of the show
where we share a little more from our personal lives.
I'll go first. My worst is something I actually wasn't
there for. I was getting on a plane flying home
from our Melbourne show, which is at the end of
our tour, feeling exhausted but happy. Jason called me and said,
the dogs have had a fight and one of the
(30:36):
dogs has dislocated the other dog's leg.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
And they usually get along.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Your dogs, yeah, they douse.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
They used to.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Live in the same house. Now that my daughter's moved out, Bonnie,
who's the boordoodle, has sort of moved out with her,
so but she's at our house a lot. And the
older dog that's a cattle cross. They've had a couple
of incidents. Once when they were at like a boarding
kennel when we were away, the younger one knocked the
older one's teeth out. They had a fight, but that
was about food. No one knows what this was about
because Jason wasn't downstairs. What happened anyway, long sure, in
(31:10):
and out of the vet all weekend. She's needed surgery.
Her leg kept popping out, popping in, popping out, popping in,
popping out, choosing huge amount of pain. Shout out to
vets and anyone working with animals vet nurses. You do
incredible work. It's also very expensive. Anyone who's ever had
to pay for that can I just suggest everybody get
pet insurance if you can possibly afford it. It helps somewhat.
(31:31):
But yeah, that's when we just got back from tour
and I was like, I just need a rest. This weekend.
We've all just been consumed with emergency trips to the
dog hospital. She had surgery yesterday. She should come home today,
so she should hopefully be okay. My best is that
we moved into our new offices for Mum and Maya
this week. And running a business, Jayson, I've been running
(31:52):
Mama Maya for seventeen years, and so often when you're
running a business, you don't ever have time to pinch
yourself for people like what's been the most amazing, And
it's like there's so much pressure running a business. Those
moments really pass you by. And this is about the
fourth office we've had and the last time we moved
was actually during COVID, so there was no real pinch
(32:13):
me moment. Then it was just kind of like punched
myself in the face moment. But each time it's been
a step up. But in this office this week, we
had everyone come in and everyone was cheering and so excited,
and it's like, I have felt really emotional this week.
We've got new studios for the podcasts, and it's like
(32:33):
we started our podcast recording on an iPhone, and then
we had you guys were there. We had a little
garden shared with no roof up near the toilets at
the back of our office that we built ourselves. Then
we were in a little cupboard with Bunning's soundproofing. And
then in our last office we were like, oh wow,
we've got proper studios and their soundproof but this because
we've got to now make video. This is a whole
(32:54):
other level and just the whole office is like I
couldn't have ever dreamed of working in an office like this,
and I have had real pinch me moments thanks to
all the amazing people who've made it happen. We've got this,
you know, credible furniture, and everyone's just made such an effort.
It feels really special. So that's been my best.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Holly, what was your worst?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Okay, So we talked about Tom Cruise last week. He's
not my worst. Despite his ridiculous hair, he is not
my worst. But me and the family went to Sea
Mission Impossible on the weekend. It was our family outing,
our back together family outing.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Because you get dune part of course. Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
In fact, this is one of the reasons why it
was my worst is I thought, we don't want going
to Sea Mission Impossible twenty five to take up the
whole day, So we'll go to the ten am and
it'll be over quickly. Yeah, So then we can go
and have darlings and we'll all be home by one,
like get on with our lives. Ten am, we walk
in there. We're still in there at one fifteen.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Oh too long?
Speaker 2 (33:48):
This movie. Look, it's a good movie. It's an adventure,
it's a rollicking good time. It is nearly three hours long.
And why are all the movies? I know, do I
sound like a nana when I say that? Why are
all the movies three hours long? Now?
Speaker 4 (34:03):
I've talked about it on this show before and I
can't remember, but there's a really good reason why the
movies kept getting longer, and it's like a real phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
They have to make them into events to get people
to go to the cinema. But nearly everybody, the teenagers
who were with me, thought it was too long. Billy,
who was really into it, he kind of thought it
was okay. Even Brent, who did you go outside and
have a break. I mean, I felt in wicked. I
needed to go outside and just it's just have a
little walk around for a bit.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah. I think it's also a symptom of filmmakers who
don't have anyone that say no to them. I think
some of Baz Lehrman's films are like that, where they
would have been great if they'd have been just tied up.
They just needed a good edit to and Tom Cruise
who says no to Tom Cruz And this is.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
His last one of the Mission Impossible, so it's a
big deal and it has lots of flashbacks, and you know,
he's famous for doing his own stunts and blah blah blah,
but even the stunts are too long. It's like, this
is amazing that you're walking on a plane, but not
for ten.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Minutes that's a telephone, not a movie anyway.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
So that was my worst. But my best is a
bit related to me is actually because it's this is
broad but how good are women? Like I'm sorry, but okay,
which one is broadly because we talked last week about
at the end of the tour and how amazing it
was without all female crew and all those things. Also
last week I was lucky enough to do a couple
of events with some female big wigs. I did an
(35:18):
event with Marrying Keys, who writes the most glorious books
that women love. And you know, some people are snooty
about female fiction and all that, but the event I
did with her, she is so joyous and funny and clever.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I don't know how you did it. In the same
time we were touring and zoe Foster, Zoey.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Foster Blake again, like here's a woman at the top
of her game, like all of these things. And then
when I walked into the office with you Mia this week,
and I know you're not sentimental, as you've just said,
but looking around that room at all those amazing young
and not all young, but young women who work here,
and they're all so smart and so hard working, and
(36:00):
far out. My best is just go the chicks. So
I'm going to get canceled for saying that.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I was serving in a big way. Well like it.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
You'll have to listen to Monday's episode to work out
why she thinks. It's actually all about what did she
say in a power?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
In a power?
Speaker 3 (36:16):
My worst?
Speaker 4 (36:17):
I was actually laying in bed last night and I thought,
what's my worst? I often do that the night before
Friday episode, and I go, what's my worst? I've had
a pretty good week, and then Luna started crying and
I was like, ah, there we go the night with that.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
What time was it?
Speaker 4 (36:29):
This was about eleven, and you know when you just
stripped off, And it's because I knew she was getting sick.
Sickness has been going around, Everyone's been getting sick, and
so it was just one of those nights where it's like,
all right, just got to accept that sleep is not happening.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Very sad. Luna lived a whole life overnight.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
My best though, So last week when Luca was away,
I had, like, you know, when you have you really
good show going and a really good book going, and
you just that's what joy is made off. I think
that's the equation is just going from one you're like,
I better stop watching my show, and then you're like
to get into bed and read my book. And then
on Friday night, we got back from Melbourne and I
(37:09):
was just kind of going on a bit tired, and
decided to go and get dinner with Claire and Rory
and their little girl, Matilda.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
And we've not really.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Been able to do that for a while because Luna's
not very into food, so to sit at a restaurant
is just you can't do it. But we threw her
in a high chair, she had some hot chips, she
read her book, and it was just actually a lovely night.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
And then we wandered.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Around dinner with the kids.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Early dinner and wondered got her some ice cream. It
was just it was dinner with the gals, like it was.
We had so much fun and to have them, you know,
I often find that it's when parenting gets really isolating
that it's the hardest, like to kind of go and
spend time with other people. Even though it's the hardest
thing to do it, Like, we made our time go
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faster and it just makes it all.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Watching them interact is hilarious.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
It's so fun.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Out loud As. That's it for this week. Thank you
so much for being here with us as always in
our fancy new home. Big thanks to you, Me and Jesse.
Who else do we have to thank?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
A big thank you to our team group executive producer
Ruth Devine, executive producer Emmeline Gazillis.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Our audio producer is Leah Porge's video producer Josh Green,
our junior content producers at Coco and Tessa and Mom
and MIAs Studios are styled with furniture from Fenton and Fenton.
If you've seen our socials or if you've seen us
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Speaker 2 (38:34):
If you feel like you need a hairy lamp. Bye bye,
out loud As.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
We're going to leave you with a snippet of a
chat we had on yesterday's subscriber episode about the lies
we tell to each other, to the people we love,
and a little bit to ourselves. If you're at the
live shows, you've already had a taste, but we thought
we would deep dive into what happened when we did
a real life lie detector test and I housed your
shoe loan breakdown.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
It's one of my favorite days of work.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
I just didn't see it coming.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
What do you lie about now? If you came to
our live shows, you saw some things. You saw Madonna outfits,
you saw Kylie costumes, you saw Luca's face at a
particularly inappropriate moment for this workplace, and you saw a
video of Mia, Jesse and I taking a lie detected
(39:25):
test under the watchful eye of one Amelia Lester. Here
is a little bit of that video.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Do you think you're smarter than your co hosts because
you have a university degree?
Speaker 4 (39:36):
No, We will pop a link in the show notes.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Shout out to any Mum and Maya subscribers listening. If
you love the show and want to support us as well,
subscribing to MoMA Miya is the very best way to
do so. There is a link in the episode description
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
that this podcast is recorded on.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Jesse, who do you think Luke would choose? Should we
get him, get him into the studio and ask him.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Oh my god, I find the word choose so loed.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I would expect and hope that he would choose you.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Really, of course, Hello, and welcome to MoMA Mia out
loud and to our Friday show, where you will hear
not one newsy thing, no newsy things. No, I just
thought about that really newsy news. No, no, no, because
that's not what we do on Fridays. Fridays. We just
(00:53):
have good time.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I've got some decluttering news shortly. That's exciting.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
It's Friday, the thirtieth of May. My name is hollywayen Wright.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
My name's Mia Friedman, and I am Jesse Stevens.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
And on today's show, brooksit, Bexit, whatever you call the
growing family in the Beckham family, there are only one
very visible part of what's being declared an epidemic of
family estrangement.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
That's very funny. Brox It Broxit, brox it bes it
is you should trade my.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Family sadness is not funny. I'm sorry, but Broxit bes
it is funny, Yes, for reasons, so we will get
to for sure. Plus a weekend of recommendations, including a
book that made Me have a little bright and two
new shows for your TV binge list. Our best and
worst include a non Bump, a dog fight, and a
Friday Night Dinner. But first me a freedman. Bring us
(01:42):
that decluttering news.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Oh well. In breaking decluttering news, you might remember Marie
Condo revolutionized decluttering where she said, if it doesn't spark
joy when you hold it or think of it, chuck it.
But now there's a new question to ask yourself when
you're deciding whether or not to keep stuff. According to
a new organizational expert, Amanda Johnson, she says, ask yourself this,
(02:06):
if it was covered in poo, would you keep it?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Oh? This is just bad. This is terrible advice. It
depends on the cost of the thing. And then they're like, oh,
it tells you how much you need it. Okay, Well,
if there was pooh on my toothbrush, I would throw
it out. Yeah, doesn't mean I don't need a toothbrush.
I would replace it because the cost of replacing the
toothbrush isn't a lot. If there was pooh on my couch,
(02:29):
I would wash the couch.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, but that's very true, like if there was pool
on the baby, wash the baby, clean the poo. But
the reason that it's smart, and also, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
What else matters is how much pooh?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And who does and who who?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Many questions about this philosophy, you really do.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
But toothbrushes and couches aren't decluttering things. The necessities. You
need somewhere to sit, you need something to brush.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
An example an umbrella.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
She says that when you're deciding whether you need to
keep something or not, she says, an anxious, overthinking, or
tired brain can convince us to hold onto things we
don't need. Although like for example, it might be reasonable
and expected to have lots of pairs of socks, the
same is not true about things like i'm brellas or
take out utensils or unused sporting and hobby equipment. So
(03:15):
like your ab roller, remember ab rollers, you're probably too young,
But your ab roller, that was a big thing that
people used to do. See them occasionally at council pickups
covered in pooh or even just a bit of pooh.
Say it was your poo, the pool of someone that
you loved or your dog. Maybe would you wash it
or would you just go? Now?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Is that there are just better questions to ask.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I think it fun.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
No.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
A better question is would I pay a move to
move it? I reckon that. That's a question.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Is you look at your ab roller and you go
is it coming to the new place? Are these six
umbrellas coming to the new place? Or maybe do I
only need two or three umbrellas?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And I also, I think that's a boring question.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
I keep looking at it and it keeps going. This
question is really good for people with ADHD. Apparently this
is an ADHD hacke. I like guys, this is not
Ama likes it. Yes, but it's not just people with
ADHD who don't want pool on their things.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I just need that on the table.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
That is a across the board, something no one wants.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
They are but than us, So I always choose you.
These are the words that Brooklyn Beckham posted about his
wife this week that reignited the growing binfire that is
Beckham family relations.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Are we across not as a cross as you are?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Would you like me to give you a quick catch up. Yes,
a bit of a I know you two are you're
quite across the in law situation, so you might want
to jump in there.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
There are role models.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I love that anyway, a quick catch up. The Beckham's,
one of Britain's two royal families, have always been exceptionally tight.
It's been a big part of their brand. Right, David
and Victoria have been married for twenty six.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Years and they have four kids.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
They have four kids, right, Harper is the youngest, and
then they have three boys, and Brooklyn is the oldest.
And let's remember that when Brooklyn was born, back in
the early days of Posh and Beck's mania, they were
tabloid staples. They sold the engagement, they sold their wedding,
they sold the christening. They said, like, we've all seen
Brooklyn in the culture since he was literally born.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Right, And he's tried to sort of have a career
in entertainment, Like he's tried to do photography, He's tried
to do a cooking show.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Jesse, you know that he's a hot source entrepreneur. He is.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
I don't like, he's tried a few things, and of
course I would definitely if it was covered in pooh,
give it a little rinse and put it back in
the fridge because I love it.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
But anyway, he moved to America three years ago when
he married actress and billionaires Nicola Peltz. Right now, the
Beckhams have lived in America at times, and Beckham's senior David,
does have a football team in Miami, so he is
there a lot, but primarily their bases London and the
countryside where David has his bees and Victoria makes frocks.
M But anytime you see the Beckhams in public, they
(06:04):
post about it. Any big event, Mother's Day, love a
big event and whichever kids are missing, they'll always be
like miss you, Romeo.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
They're very family people.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
They are massively family people. But ever since Brooklyn and
Nicola got married, there have been rumblings, haven't they. We
all remember the wedding rumbling, which.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Is interesting when you hold it up against the other
great this is an alleged estrangement. But the other estrangement,
which is there's always a wedding fallout.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Well, it's like, we really want to blame the daughter
in law, don't we. We really wanted to blame Meghan
for Harry and William falling out. We really want to
blame Nicola for Brooklyn falling out? Well, yes, and it
kind of seems in this case probably true, right, But
for a few years they've been holding it together, Like
Nicholas turned up at some events, and I think she
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made an appearance in the Beckham documentary and she went
to a few fashion shows, but lately not so much.
And everybody got their antennae up about it. When, of
course Beckham had his fiftieth birthday, which was a few
weeks ago. I think we talked about it. He had
like fourteen parties on several continents, and Brooklyn wasn't.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Any of them, and he wasn't really acknowledged either, was
he And he didn't do.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Mess Brooklyn and Nickel, none of that. None of that,
very no.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And no post on Brooklyn's grid, No dad, happy birthday.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
As we've described him before, he is a wife guy.
He posts constantly about Nichola and how much he loves her,
and he posts about her family. He recently did a
big post about her mum for example. Anyway, this week,
in tabloids speak, Brooklyn broke his silence by posting some
lovely pictures of his wife, along with the words I
always choose you, and that of course has been forensically
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examined to mean one thing between my family and my wife.
It's my wife every time. Typical responses to this in
the many, many, many, many, many many comments are if
that was my son, saying that, knowing what the post
is about, I would be devastated. Blood is thicker than
water and any loving wife should never make her husband
choose between her and her husband's family. If she doesn't
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get on with them, then she doesn't have to visit.
But if he was any sort of man, he should
have said, don't make me choose. The thing is, this
isn't just a Beckham or Windsor thing. Time magazine recently
declared an epidemic of family estrangement, saying that in the
US one in two adults is estranged from a close relative.
That's a lot and here in Australia. Steven Alone recently
(08:33):
wrote a big piece in The Australian about the trauma
of parental estrangement and said that often this kind of
divide is cataclysmic for families. He quoted a senior psychologist
to is an expert in contemporary families who said, parents
of adult children are often denied access to their grandkids.
In these situations, siblings have to make a decision about
who to side with, and for the parent, there is
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really no upside. They are left with shame, guilt, and
the loss.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Jesse, who do you think Luca would choose? Should get
Let's get him into the studio and ask him.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Oh my god, I find the word choose so loaded.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I keep thinking, is there any context in.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Which he didn't mean what he mean? Yes?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And is there a way that that could just.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Be, you know, a show of loyalty to his wife
that isn't about ranking people.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
It's a throwown And I.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Can't imagine Luca ever saying that to me.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
But I also I am on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
In fact, it's kind of.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Love it. In all seriousness, I would expect and hope
that he would choose you, really, of course. I mean
I've said many times that when he was little, I
remember coming home from the hospital and holding him and crying,
and Jason was like, why are you crying? And one
day he'll love someone more than he loves me, And
he met Jesse and he does, and now he's got
(09:56):
Luna and he does. But he's not I see it
in terms of leaderboards, but I'm like, that brings me joy.
What I didn't realize then, even though it was a
bit of a wrench when he you know, when he
moved out and married you and all of that, and
not that it was you, but that loss. There was
definitely lost and grief, but there was also incredible joy
(10:17):
And that was the way it was meant to be.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Right about if he'd have fallen in love and married
someone who lived in America and went and lived with
their family in one of their big mansions.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Oh fuck that bitch.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Yeah, can you imagine? And then it's like any potential grandchildren,
there's this ocean between you. Like I think that is
to presume that there's any sort of hierarchy in how
you love people. And it's not just for Brooklyn. It
looks like it's not just his parents but his siblings,
Like he was really close with all of those siblings
and now you know he's in the UK and apparently
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not seeing any of them, which feels so tragic. But
there's this guy named doctor Joshua Coleman who is like
an expert on this stuff. He has said that this
new thing is that sometimes when children aren't thriving in adulthood,
they see their parents as the reason why. And in fact,
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there can be many, many reasons, like unhappiness. If you're
unhappy in your life as an adult, there are one
thousand reasons that have nothing to do with how you're parented.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
So if you go to therapy, it's usually the first
thing they want to talk to you about.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Yes, exactly, and that's what they've said. There is kind
of this theory that it's like, is this a seed
being planted by some therapists. On the other hand, our
definition of what constitutes neglect, abuse, trauma has all changed
and been broadened in a way that is quite helpful
in helpful to some people.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
So if you're someone who I know a few people
who are estranged from their parents, and it's their choice,
they have made that choice, and I would say, and
I can only know so much that it is the
right choice for them, that their parents did things. And
this is what I struggle with in the reporting of this,
and also in the reporting of Harry a little bit,
is that from what I can see, estrangement is never
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the result of one thing. It's never the result of
one conflict, one event. It is like the building up
of a certain dynamic over decades where someone has to
say enough is enough. I'm gonna like protect my pa.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
That's is true in real life. It's one of the
things that makes it hard. Obviously have never have any
idea of what's really going on in other people's families,
and certainly not famous people's families. But because they've always
been and projected this public image of familial perfection. I
think that Brooklyn's hot sauce, for example, that I would
wash the poo off, is named after David's football number,
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and he was always professed his dad to be as
absolute icon. And as I say, they've always presented this
really tight front. We all know that doesn't really mean
anything behind the scenes, but I think that's often we
look at families from the outside and we go look
at them. They're also close, they're also tight. It must
be so great, and so if something happens to dent
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that image, it's all the more jarring.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
It's also so revealing that we think, you know, recently
we're talking about women feeling like human grout with your analogy,
Maya as in like it's the job of women like
kinship and to mold these relationships. And if you and Luca,
for example, were to have some fracture in your relationship,
it would be somehow my job to fix it. Like
That's what I'm seeing in a lot of this, And
(13:24):
even with the captions and stuff, is like people blaming
Nicola for making him choose, and it's like, yeah, well,
Brooklyn also has a responsibility to his own family.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
And that was the narrative around Megan and Harry as well,
wasn't it. I think often, you know, if you look
at those two things as being similar, Harry and Brooklyn,
the woman gets blamed, but she's possibly just the catalyst
and the getaway car for a man who wants to
get away. And I think that we can't even possibly
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imagine what it's like to be the child of two
of the most famous people in the world who were
still really on top of their game. It's not like
they used to be famous ten twenty years ago. I
mean they did, but they've they've managed to stay relevant
and even with this most recent documentary about David Beckham,
now Victoria Beckham's making one as well. But what's interesting
about the daughter in law coming in and this is
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something I've been very conscious of in our relationship is
until your children start partnering, you're often the mother is
often the main character in the family, and Victoria is
very much the main character in that family. And Nicola
understandably probably doesn't want to be a side character in
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the Beckham family. She wants to be the main character
in her life, and that means not being a cameo
as part of the extended Beckham family. It means, you know,
starting something of her own. And what I think she's
overestimated is the interest in her apart from the fact
that she's married to Victoria and David Beckham's eldest son.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Again, though that makes it sound like there's no coexisting,
you know, because the thing is is you can be
the main character in your house but still recognize that
the matriarch of the fa still has power and place,
you know, like it doesn't have to be in either or.
One of the things that I think is incredibly sad
is that we often hear from women. Recently, I did
a call out for mid women about issues they might have,
(15:22):
problems they might have for an agony on episode, and
a lot of them were about this they were like,
I don't think my new daughter in law likes me,
and I don't know what I've done, or my son
isn't calling me very much anymore. I'm terrified of losing them,
Like I think that, like lots of stages in our life,
we tell ourselves stories of how it will go and
how lovely it will be to be surrounded by your
(15:44):
grandchildren and an extended family and a big table and
lots of people, and if it doesn't play out that way,
it can be absolutely very true.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
And I, you know, I'm just thinking more about what
I said earlier about I would want him to choose
you and all of that stuff. We're in a very
unique situation, and you and I were friends before and coworkers,
but friends. We had a really solid relationship before you
start a dating looker, so already knew that I liked
you and you hopefully liked me a little bit, and
(16:14):
so it was just a bonus when Luca was with you.
But I've also had an experience when one of my
children's been with someone who I didn't not get on with,
but she clearly didn't get me and was like a
bit taken aback by me, which is completely understandable. It's
interesting in this article I read that we are a generation,
you know ex'es and some boomers who used to be
(16:36):
scared or we grew up scared of our parents, and
now we're scared of our children because the vulnerability you have.
You know, not just if you said to Luca, let's
move overseas, but if you were like I don't like
your mother, or I don't want to go to the
family thing, or you know, the vulnerability of your child
saying I don't want to see you anymore or we're
(16:56):
cutting loose is gutting, and even more so when you
have children. To remember, my mother said when she became
a grandmother she's never felt more vulnerable in her life
because her access to her grandchildren was completely out of
her control.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
I wonder if our concept of family is changing. I've
actually had these discussions with Luca and with friends of
where the boundaries or the lines of family are drawn.
So for the Beckhams, it's like for Victoria and David
and you know we're projecting a lot here, but they
see Nicola and they go welcome in, welcome in, rat
(17:30):
and like it's the same. I think with in laws
often that it's like exactly right, and it's like you
will be a part of this. Some people, I think
see their family as something smaller, as something more nuclear,
as something that they are inventing, like you know, when
a baby comes along. I think this has a lot
to do with your relationship within laws and your own family.
(17:51):
But you go, okay, now where a family like it's us,
and it's almost like you close the door and I
wonder if that's happening a little bit where you're not
seeing the extended clan as Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
The other thing that's tricky there is that sometimes the
person and you welcome in doesn't like the dynamic they
see with you. Obviously, I'm not suggesting this is exactly
what's happened here, but I've seen it happen plenty of
times in my life where they go, oh, I don't
like the way your mother talks to you, or your brother,
or they always they teach you and they make you
feel small, or we leave there and you're in a
(18:27):
terrible mood, or your dad always you may regress.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yes, or become someone I don't like.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Like who you are in that house, or your dad
bullies you and it makes you seem like, you know,
then I have to pick up the pieces afterwards. Like
there's so much complexity in these kind of relationships that
I know for lots of people, there's a relief of
separating yourself from your family and being able to be you,
you know, like this is me and who I want
to be, and I'm starting again and I'm building my
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family the way I want it to be. I want
to resist the vortex of my old self. You know.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
For a long time too, children were seen in a
position of servitude and that was endless. That was until
the day their parents died. And I think that there's
almost like we see that servitude through But now there's
this changing idea of mutuality or like mutual respect and
like a religation, yeah, and something that's maybe a little
(19:19):
bit more equal. And the people I know who are
very close to their parents, I'm one of them. There
is a friendship that develops. And it's certainly not out
of obligation that I speak to my mom like, it's
because we both get a lot out of the relationship.
So I think that that's shifting that people are going,
I don't owe you a relationship because you gave birth
to me if there are things that I find I
(19:41):
don't like about myself or about you when I'm stuck
in this dynamic. Out Louders in a moment, a book
that made Holy cry, and two shows that you will
want to add to your list this weekend.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Out Louders, We've.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Got a listener dilemma, and we need your collective wisdom
to help us and our partners UI solve it. Please,
here is the problem from our listener. I know in
the scheme of world problems, this ranks very low, but
I'm losing it over someone repeatedly stealing my.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Lunch at work. She writes.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Yesterday my carefully meal prepped butter bowl vanished, making this
the fifth lunch theft this month. I've tried everything, including
labeling my lunch with notes, and even left a couple
of passive aggressive ones, which disappeared along with my food.
Is this the definition of micro penniness. I'm caught between
feeling ridiculous for how much this bothers me and wanting
to spike tomorrow's sandwich with laxatives kidding. Mostly, the rational
(20:35):
part of me knows it's just lunch, but the petty
part of me feels this tiny injustice on a sole,
deep level. I feel like I can't keep bringing it
up at work without being that person who's obsessed with
lunch theft. My colleagues are already giving me side eye
when I mention it, as I should just get over
it already. The question is what do you do next.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
One of my favorite things is passive aggressive notes in
share house kitchens and office kitchens. I do like that,
but it seems like we've leveled up from that because
the notes have been stolen.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
How about a hidden camera? How do we feel about
a heat.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yes, because I don't think this is micro pettiness. I
think someone steal your butter bowl is a big deal expense.
It's expensive, and I think that she has two options
for what to do next either and I know this
isn't good for the world. She wraps it many many, many,
many layers of plastic bags. You know how office fridges
away full of passel and so you can't see what's
in there, so it's not tempting and interesting. Or you
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make your butterer bowls look really ugly, just like really
ugly them up so that people are.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Like, maybe your lunch looks too good? That's so true,
or in all the plastic bags, maybe you can. Like
I was finger painting with Luna the other day, and
I'm imagining you put finger paint on it, but it's
like really good paint and gets like literally red yes
or brown paint.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
But do you steal money in the diet like that?
Speaker 4 (21:50):
And then they walk around the office and it's like, well,
I know you still my lunch.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yes, But my.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Issue though, is what do you do when you find
out who it is? Then it becomes really complicated. So
then literally what do you do? What if it's your mate?
What if it's someone you really like who's steals?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Does steal a lunch? Like not by mist Like it's
understandable to steal a yogurt by mistake? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Five times?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Five times somebody's butta bowl do not list?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, I think you've got to hide it in the CRISPA.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
I think that you've got to like put it somewhere,
Maybe put it in a box that says do not
touch I'll explode or.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Something out loud as what would you do next? Share
your thoughts in the momamea out loud Facebook group. Also
share any dilemmas that you want our help with in
the Facebook group or email us at out loud at
momamea dot com dot au.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Vibes ideas at Atosphere, something casual, something fun.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
This is my best recommendation.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
It's Friday, and I know you're hanging for our recommendations
for your weekend. What would you do all weekend if
it wasn't for what outloud tells you to do? So
Jesse Stevens, do you have a recommendation?
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I do, and it's not new. It was actually released
in twenty twenty one. But I have had this list.
I've actually been keeping a list in my phone of
all the recommendations I get Right and Local was away
last week, which meant that all the shows and the
movies that I've been wanting to watch that he would
never want to watch. I went some time that happened.
I kind of love that I had full rain over
the TV and.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Oh you're both so independent.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
I tried like five things and I just went, Now,
I'm not wasting my free week on this crap. This
show got me. Okay, it's called Scenes from a Marriage
on Max.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
You just believe me. There's a couple, nothing can hurt you,
and then you gradually started to realize that actually anything
can hurt you.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
We're gonna sit here and we're going to talk as
long as it takes.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Okay, but there's nothing left to say.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
What is this?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
What is this thing where we can't talk? This is
a pleas Do you know how long I've wanted to leave?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I'm gonna go out of my mind.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
If I don't leave right now, right now, like right
this second. If I don't leave right now, I know
I'm never going to did either.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
If you guys watch this at the time, No, it
was during COVID, so it's about four years ago. Bell.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Well, it wasn't that movie about marriage without him Driver
and Scarlet Your Hair.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
No, that was called something very eat Marriage Story.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Yes, No, it wasn't that. It's got Jessica Chastain and
Oscar Isaac in it, and it was nominated for a
million Emmys and stuff, and it's based on a Swedish
series that was made years ago. It's got a really
good rating and stuff. But basically it's six episodes, so
not too long, and most of it takes place inside
one house and they're like these long scenes about the
(24:35):
breakdown of a marriage, and it goes over a few years,
but the conversations, the dynamics, the tension, the way that
everything that is said has heard a certain way, the
decision of whether or not to have more children. It
was unlike anything I'd seen before, and it made me
(24:55):
you know, how people seem to be getting divorced for
a really long time, Like your friend will be going
through a divorce and three years later it's still happening,
and I'm like, I don't understand. Is it not just
a thing that happens. Wow, I finally got it. It
was like the circularity of the conversation. So neither of
the people are evil and you're on no one's side.
But it was hypnotic the way that they kind of
(25:16):
You've watched the unraveling of this marriage, so scenes from
a marriage on.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Max Mia Friedman.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I've been watching something very different. I've wanted to just
have a bit of a brain break. So I'd heard
about a show called Etoile, which is on Prime Video.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Your company it's in trouble, No, it's not, Yes it is.
Reviews don't matter.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Minus dear, I've got union issues.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
If they strike, I don't have to pay them.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
What the audience is dead. So it's the fonding the scenes.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
They're empty, not ours.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Once we closed off the balconies, the house.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Filled right up.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
We have to fix this. Okay, fine, what do we do?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
We trained our top ten parents and New York.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
First I thought it was like a documentary, but it's not.
It's a drama y Really, it's pretty funny about two
ballet companies, one in New York and one in Paris,
and they're both struggling, as all ballet companies and opera
companies are around the world now to get audiences and
through COVID and everything. And what they do is that
the two chief executives of those companies decide to do
(26:29):
a swap of their principal dancers and some of their choreographers.
So the French ones go to New York, the New
York ones go to France, and it just sort of
follows the two ballet companies. And what happens is there
much ballet. There's quite a chart.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I love what she said.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, there is quite a lot. It's made by a
producer called Amy Sherman Palladino, and she did a similar
ballet show that was a comedy that was really well
received a few years ago called Bunheads has quite a
cop following. I've started watching that as well. That's on
Disney's Gilson Foster. But she made Gilmore Girls, that's what
she's famous for. And she used to be ballerina. You know.
(27:05):
She clearly loves that world and tells the story really beautiful.
Shell Gainsbury's in it. She plays the chief of the
Parisian Ballet Company. It's a bit rom comie. It's funny,
it's interesting, it's easy to watch, and the ballet is beautiful.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Oh okay, that sounds good, Holly.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I'm recommending a book. I am recommending a novel called
Lonely Mouth by Jacqueline Maylee. Now this is not a
feel good novel, by the way, so if you're looking
for like something to lift your spirits and take you away,
it's not that. But it is very good. And I
was reading it because I knew I was doing an
event with Jaqueline Melee, and I was like, I want
to read the book and.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
See what it's like.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
And I loved it so much that when I finished it,
which was on a plane to Melbourne last week, I
was crying my eyes out. I was crying my premier.
So the premise is and Jacquelineilee is an Australian journalist.
She writes for The Age and the Herald. Love first novel, yes,
I can't remember what it.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Was, kind of like a Bell Gibson ESQ. Story. Yeah,
it was really good.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
So it starts with a woman abandoning her two daughters
at the Big Marine in Goldburn. She goes to the
toilet at the servo there, what are great? And then
she leaves them there. One of them is at thirteen fourteen,
that's Matilda, and the other one, Lara, is little three
to four. Right then you meet them again when Matilda
is nearly thirty, and you go through sort of what happened,
(28:27):
go into the foster system for a while, and then
they end up together and then d D da da da,
and Lara goes and lives overseas, and Matilda's in Sydney
and she lives a very ordered, very routine driven life
and she works in one of Sydney's fanciest, like trendiest restaurants.
So there's also this kind of world of that, and
she has a lot of repercussions obviously from her complicated
(28:49):
childhood and you go back and you find them out.
It deals with eating disorders, which obviously will be difficult
for some people, but in a very interesting, unflinching, but
very human way. It's about sisterhood, it's about moving on,
it's about the things you do to cope. It is
beautiful and it's quite slight the book, and I just
(29:14):
loved being in that world. I kept you know, a
good sign of any book is when you're not reading it,
And I kept thinking about Matilda and her world in
her flatten Darlinghurst and the restaurant in Paddington, and like,
I kept thinking, how she doing.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah. I love the name lonely mouth. I was reading
in pandora Sites's newsletter about lonely mouth and I think
it's a Japanese word for it, and it basically means
when you eat not because you're hungry, but because your
mouth wants company. Yeah, beautiful phrase. After the Breaker, Dog
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Speaker 1 (30:14):
Time for Best and Worst, the part of the show
where we share a little more from our personal lives.
I'll go first. My worst is something I actually wasn't
there for. I was getting on a plane flying home
from our Melbourne show, which is at the end of
our tour, feeling exhausted but happy. Jason called me and said,
the dogs have had a fight and one of the
(30:36):
dogs has dislocated the other dog's leg.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
And they usually get along.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Your dogs, yeah, they douse.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
They used to.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Live in the same house. Now that my daughter's moved out, Bonnie,
who's the boordoodle, has sort of moved out with her,
so but she's at our house a lot. And the
older dog that's a cattle cross. They've had a couple
of incidents. Once when they were at like a boarding
kennel when we were away, the younger one knocked the
older one's teeth out. They had a fight, but that
was about food. No one knows what this was about
because Jason wasn't downstairs. What happened anyway, long sure, in
(31:10):
and out of the vet all weekend. She's needed surgery.
Her leg kept popping out, popping in, popping out, popping in,
popping out, choosing huge amount of pain. Shout out to
vets and anyone working with animals vet nurses. You do
incredible work. It's also very expensive. Anyone who's ever had
to pay for that can I just suggest everybody get
pet insurance if you can possibly afford it. It helps somewhat.
(31:31):
But yeah, that's when we just got back from tour
and I was like, I just need a rest. This weekend.
We've all just been consumed with emergency trips to the
dog hospital. She had surgery yesterday. She should come home today,
so she should hopefully be okay. My best is that
we moved into our new offices for Mum and Maya
this week. And running a business, Jayson, I've been running
(31:52):
Mama Maya for seventeen years, and so often when you're
running a business, you don't ever have time to pinch
yourself for people like what's been the most amazing, And
it's like there's so much pressure running a business. Those
moments really pass you by. And this is about the
fourth office we've had and the last time we moved
was actually during COVID, so there was no real pinch
(32:13):
me moment. Then it was just kind of like punched
myself in the face moment. But each time it's been
a step up. But in this office this week, we
had everyone come in and everyone was cheering and so excited,
and it's like, I have felt really emotional this week.
We've got new studios for the podcasts, and it's like
(32:33):
we started our podcast recording on an iPhone, and then
we had you guys were there. We had a little
garden shared with no roof up near the toilets at
the back of our office that we built ourselves. Then
we were in a little cupboard with Bunning's soundproofing. And
then in our last office we were like, oh wow,
we've got proper studios and their soundproof but this because
we've got to now make video. This is a whole
(32:54):
other level and just the whole office is like I
couldn't have ever dreamed of working in an office like this,
and I have had real pinch me moments thanks to
all the amazing people who've made it happen. We've got this,
you know, credible furniture, and everyone's just made such an effort.
It feels really special. So that's been my best.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Holly, what was your worst?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Okay, So we talked about Tom Cruise last week. He's
not my worst. Despite his ridiculous hair, he is not
my worst. But me and the family went to Sea
Mission Impossible on the weekend. It was our family outing,
our back together family outing.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Because you get dune part of course. Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
In fact, this is one of the reasons why it
was my worst is I thought, we don't want going
to Sea Mission Impossible twenty five to take up the
whole day, So we'll go to the ten am and
it'll be over quickly. Yeah, So then we can go
and have darlings and we'll all be home by one,
like get on with our lives. Ten am, we walk
in there. We're still in there at one fifteen.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Oh too long?
Speaker 2 (33:48):
This movie. Look, it's a good movie. It's an adventure,
it's a rollicking good time. It is nearly three hours long.
And why are all the movies? I know, do I
sound like a nana when I say that? Why are
all the movies three hours long? Now?
Speaker 4 (34:03):
I've talked about it on this show before and I
can't remember, but there's a really good reason why the
movies kept getting longer, and it's like a real phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
They have to make them into events to get people
to go to the cinema. But nearly everybody, the teenagers
who were with me, thought it was too long. Billy,
who was really into it, he kind of thought it
was okay. Even Brent, who did you go outside and
have a break. I mean, I felt in wicked. I
needed to go outside and just it's just have a
little walk around for a bit.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah. I think it's also a symptom of filmmakers who
don't have anyone that say no to them. I think
some of Baz Lehrman's films are like that, where they
would have been great if they'd have been just tied up.
They just needed a good edit to and Tom Cruise
who says no to Tom Cruz And this is.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
His last one of the Mission Impossible, so it's a
big deal and it has lots of flashbacks, and you know,
he's famous for doing his own stunts and blah blah blah,
but even the stunts are too long. It's like, this
is amazing that you're walking on a plane, but not
for ten.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Minutes that's a telephone, not a movie anyway.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
So that was my worst. But my best is a
bit related to me is actually because it's this is
broad but how good are women? Like I'm sorry, but okay,
which one is broadly because we talked last week about
at the end of the tour and how amazing it
was without all female crew and all those things. Also
last week I was lucky enough to do a couple
of events with some female big wigs. I did an
(35:18):
event with Marrying Keys, who writes the most glorious books
that women love. And you know, some people are snooty
about female fiction and all that, but the event I
did with her, she is so joyous and funny and clever.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I don't know how you did it. In the same
time we were touring and zoe Foster, Zoey.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Foster Blake again, like here's a woman at the top
of her game, like all of these things. And then
when I walked into the office with you Mia this week,
and I know you're not sentimental, as you've just said,
but looking around that room at all those amazing young
and not all young, but young women who work here,
and they're all so smart and so hard working, and
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far out. My best is just go the chicks. So
I'm going to get canceled for saying that.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I was serving in a big way. Well like it.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
You'll have to listen to Monday's episode to work out
why she thinks. It's actually all about what did she
say in a power?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
In a power?
Speaker 3 (36:16):
My worst?
Speaker 4 (36:17):
I was actually laying in bed last night and I thought,
what's my worst? I often do that the night before
Friday episode, and I go, what's my worst? I've had
a pretty good week, and then Luna started crying and
I was like, ah, there we go the night with that.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
What time was it?
Speaker 4 (36:29):
This was about eleven, and you know when you just
stripped off, And it's because I knew she was getting sick.
Sickness has been going around, Everyone's been getting sick, and
so it was just one of those nights where it's like,
all right, just got to accept that sleep is not happening.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Very sad. Luna lived a whole life overnight.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
My best though, So last week when Luca was away,
I had, like, you know, when you have you really
good show going and a really good book going, and
you just that's what joy is made off. I think
that's the equation is just going from one you're like,
I better stop watching my show, and then you're like
to get into bed and read my book. And then
on Friday night, we got back from Melbourne and I
(37:09):
was just kind of going on a bit tired, and
decided to go and get dinner with Claire and Rory
and their little girl, Matilda.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
And we've not really.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Been able to do that for a while because Luna's
not very into food, so to sit at a restaurant
is just you can't do it. But we threw her
in a high chair, she had some hot chips, she
read her book, and it was just actually a lovely night.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
And then we wandered.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Around dinner with the kids.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Early dinner and wondered got her some ice cream. It
was just it was dinner with the gals, like it was.
We had so much fun and to have them, you know,
I often find that it's when parenting gets really isolating
that it's the hardest, like to kind of go and
spend time with other people. Even though it's the hardest
thing to do it, Like, we made our time go
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faster and it just makes it all.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Watching them interact is hilarious.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
It's so fun.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Out loud As. That's it for this week. Thank you
so much for being here with us as always in
our fancy new home. Big thanks to you, Me and Jesse.
Who else do we have to thank?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
A big thank you to our team group executive producer
Ruth Devine, executive producer Emmeline Gazillis.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Our audio producer is Leah Porge's video producer Josh Green,
our junior content producers at Coco and Tessa and Mom
and MIAs Studios are styled with furniture from Fenton and Fenton.
If you've seen our socials or if you've seen us
on YouTube, you will have noticed our fancydigs. Visit Fenton
and Fenton dot com dot au.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
If you feel like you need a hairy lamp. Bye bye,
out loud As.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
We're going to leave you with a snippet of a
chat we had on yesterday's subscriber episode about the lies
we tell to each other, to the people we love,
and a little bit to ourselves. If you're at the
live shows, you've already had a taste, but we thought
we would deep dive into what happened when we did
a real life lie detector test and I housed your
shoe loan breakdown.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
It's one of my favorite days of work.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
I just didn't see it coming.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
What do you lie about now? If you came to
our live shows, you saw some things. You saw Madonna outfits,
you saw Kylie costumes, you saw Luca's face at a
particularly inappropriate moment for this workplace, and you saw a
video of Mia, Jesse and I taking a lie detected
(39:25):
test under the watchful eye of one Amelia Lester. Here
is a little bit of that video.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Do you think you're smarter than your co hosts because
you have a university degree?
Speaker 4 (39:36):
No, We will pop a link in the show notes.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Shout out to any Mum and Maya subscribers listening. If
you love the show and want to support us as well,
subscribing to MoMA Miya is the very best way to
do so. There is a link in the episode description
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