June 12, 2025 • 16 mins
Is Donald Trump... breaking up with us? What does his administration's review into our AUKUS deal mean for Australia's relationship with the United States?
Plus the once Gwyneth Paltrow-backed company dubbed the 'orgasm cult' has found itself at the centre of a labour and exploitation trial with the founders now facing jail time.
And in headlines today A single passenger has walked from the wreckage of an Air India plane that went down on route to London; Alleged mushroom killer Erin Patterson has disagreed with the prosecution putting to her that she deliberately poisoned her former in-laws as she wrapped up 8 days of testimony; Bigger anti immigration raid protests are planned for this weekend to coincide with President Trump's military parade in Washington; A mistrial has been declared on the final charge in Harvey Weinstein's retrial, one juror refusing to return to deliberations; Disgraced RnB singer R Kelly is pushing for a presidential pardon as he claims prison authorities are trying to have him killed
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges
the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast
is recorded on.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is mma Mer's twice daily
news podcast, The Quickie. Is Donald Trump breaking up with Australia.
The US President has ordered a review of the Orchis
submarine deal. But what does that actually mean? Plus, the
founder of a orgasm cult once endorsed by Gwyneth Paltrow
(00:43):
has been found guilty of forced labor. How did this
once sober loved group fall from grace? Before we get there,
here's Claire Murphy with the latest from the Quickie newsroom
for Friday, June thirteen.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Thanks Taylor. A single passenger has walked from the wreckage
of a crash of an Air India plane which went
down en route to London. The plane, which was taking
off from a Metabad airport, hit a building shortly after takeoff,
taking the lives of at least two hundred forty people.
Amongst the casualties are reportedly five medical students who were
in the college hostel on the ground where the plane hit.
(01:16):
A British man was found alive in the wreckage. He
was taken to hospital, where a doctor who examined him
said he was disorientated and had multiple injuries over his body,
but that he seems to be in a stable condition.
His family says he has no idea how he survived.
His brother, who was on the flight with him, has
not been found. A video posted to social media shows
a plane slowly descending as if it were landing, not
(01:38):
taking off, before it disappears behind a row of houses.
The plane, a Boying seven eight seven Dreamliner, was reportedly
in Australia just a few days ago, landing in Melbourne
before heading back to Delhi. Alleged mushroom killer Aaron Patterson
has disagreed with the prosecution's final three questions put to
her after giving eight days of testimony. It was put
(01:59):
to Miss Patterson that she deliberately source death cap mushrooms
in twenty twenty three, deliberately included them in the beef
Wellington she served to her former in laws, and did
so intending to kill them. Patterson responded with disagree, disagree, disagree.
Patterson has pleaded not guilty to the murders of her
estranged husband, Simon's parents, Don and Gale Patterson, his aunt
(02:19):
Heather Wilkinson, and the attempted murder of Heather's husband Ian,
with all evidence in the trial concluded, just as Christopher
Beale told jurors about discussions they could expect before dismissing
them for the day. Protests over raids by immigration officials
in the US and US President Donald Trump's moved to
mobilize the National Guard and Marines in LA against those
(02:40):
protesters have seen more people take to the streets across America.
Texan Republican Governor Greg Abbott posted on social media that
they will also be deploying the National Guard to locations
across the state to ensure peace and order. Activists are
responding saying they'll hold even bigger demonstrations in coming days,
calling the events no Kings, which will coincide with Trump's
(03:01):
planned military parade in Washington on Saturday. The Trump administration
said the immigration raids will continue regardless of any protests
against them. The judge overseeing Harvey Weinstein's criminal trial in
New York has declared a mistrial on the one rape
charge against him, as one of the jurors refused to
continue deliberations. The announcement comes a day after Weinstein was
(03:21):
found guilty again of a separate charge of sex abuse,
while he was acquitted on a second as. Weinstein, once
one of Hollywood's most powerful executives, faced the retrial following
the appeals court decision to overturn his twenty twenty conviction.
Accused of raping an aspiring actress and assaulting two other women.
Weinstein has pleaded not guilty and says he's never sexually
(03:42):
assaulted anyone. The jury foreman told the judge on Wednesday
that other jurors were shouting at him and threatening him
for refusing to change his decision on the final rape charge.
The judge sent the jurors home for the day and
instructed the fourth person to arrive back in court. Separately,
Disgrace to R and B Star R. Kelly is seeking
a presidential pardon from Donald Trump in a bid to
(04:03):
be transferred from federal prison to house arrest. Kelly's currently
serving a thirty year sentence after he was convicted of
sex trafficking and racketeering, but is now hoping his sentence
will be commuted and that he'll be granted a pardon
after filing an emergency motion claiming that officials working for
the Bureau of Prisons trying to have him killed. This
information came from a fellow in May who alleges he
(04:25):
was the one asked to kill Kelly. His lawyers told
people that they believe the President is the only person
with the courage to help them. Kelly's lawyer also claims
that her client has now been placed into solitary confinement,
unable to contact his family, and is scared to eat
the food in case it's been poisoned.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Thanks Claire. Next is Australia getting dumped by Trump. Donald
Trump's team is taking another look at the Orcist Military Deal.
That's the agreement between Australia, the UK and the US
that was supposed to deliver nuclear powered submarines to boost
our navy. Trump's Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth says the President
(05:05):
is very aware and supportive of the agreement, recognizing how
how important it is strategically and that Australia is putting
some serious money on the table. But at the same time,
the Pentagons launched a review of the pact to make
sure it lines up with Trump's America First Agenda. This
thirty day review comes just as Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi
(05:26):
prepares to meet Trump at next week's G seven summit
in Canada, meaning it'll probably be something thrown into conversation
as the two leaders meet face to face for the
first time. So what's the reaction been In the wake
of Trump's announcement. Former US Ambassador Joe Hockey has called
this all or nothing for Australia, warning that without the
(05:47):
Virginia Class submarines to be delivered in twenty thirty two,
we have no options left. Meanwhile, Defense Minister Richard Mules
has downplayed the announcement. His office released a statement stressing
Australia's commitment to ORCUS, assuring US that a review from
the US should be treated as business as usual. It's
important to note the UK government also recently concluded orchis review,
(06:10):
reaffirming its support for the agreement. So why has a
review from the Trump administration been splashed all across our
news feeds this week? International relations expert doctor Jessica Ganaua
might have the answer. Jess We've been told this kind
of reviewers standard, so why are we seeing so much
about it?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I don't think that this is actually business as usual.
So it's in the current Australian government's interest to make
this seem as routine as possible and to make sure
there isn't a feeling of panic amongst the Australian population
that maybe we're being completely abandoned by America, or maybe
(06:53):
the entire Orchice deal is going to fall through, which
would have big implications for Australia domestically. So I think
that's why Richard Miles has been saying this is routine,
this is normal. But actually, as we've seen with Donald
Trump second term as president, he's been taking a lot
(07:13):
of quite extreme actions where he has no problem with
undermining existing security frameworks. So I think there is a
real risk here that the result of this review, Trump
or his administration might actually end up deciding that they
(07:33):
want to either drastically change the or castele or undermine
it altogether.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
We've been told that this is part of the America
First agenda. That's why they're looking into it now. How
serious are the implications of the possible outcome of this
review for Australia and for our defense capabilities.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I think that the implications are serious because Australia has
put a lot behind this or castele essentially the creation
of these nuclear submarines. Australia has committed to spend a
huge amount of money estimated at two hundred and seventy
to three hundred and seventy billion over the coming decade
(08:13):
or so, so this would be a very big deal
for Australia if the Aucust still fell through. Now, I
think for Trump, in terms of how we've seen him
approaching foreign affairs since coming in in his second term
as president, it's not that he's just trying to be
America first. He's trying to be Trump first. So he
(08:36):
wants to show a personal stamp on any big deals
or big decisions that are made and negotiated under his presidency.
So the very fact that August was negotiated under a
previous president already would make it seem unattractive to Trump himself.
And I think just looking at Trump's personality in the
(08:57):
way that he operates, it's entirely likely that he will
worn to be able to say to his domestic constituency
within the United States that he either fundament until he
changed the deal to make it quote unquote better for America,
or drop the deal altogether. Because he decided it wasn't
(09:17):
good for America, meaning that wasn't good from the perspective
of his core support base. So yes, I think there
is a real risk Australia is trying to downplay it
at the moment that we could see a real change
to the way in which the ORCHEST deal is currently
set up.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Can we talk a bit about who's been appointed to
oversee this review. Elbridge Coldby has previously been quite skeptical
of ORCUS. What impact could that have on the outcome?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I believe there will be at least some change, and
that's because I think Trump has purposely put someone in
charge of the review who can message this around the
negative aspects for America and why America needs to seek
a better deal for Americans, which is basically Trump's entire
message as president, which we know very much appeals to
(10:07):
his core support base that everything that he is doing
visa v. Other countries, it's not so much about existing partnerships,
it's not about building collaborative security framework. You know, we
can see he's walked away or he's sort of distancing
himself from collaborative security frameworks with European countries. And similarly,
I could see him distancing himself from this kind of
(10:29):
security agreement with the UK and Australia. So it's not
about building collaborative frameworks. It's about Trump being able to
say I'm getting a better deal for America. So if
he just basically goes along with what has already been
decided and says, you know what, it looks pretty reasonable.
It looks like, actually, you know, Australia is going to
be paying America quite a lot of money and it's
sensible for us to share that kind of defense tech,
(10:53):
then he won't be aligning himself with the way that
he wants to be viewed domestically by his own key
supporters as someone who always changes, makes a better deal,
breaks old deals that he sees is not good enough.
I almost feel just the fact that it wasn't Trump
himself who was the one who negotiated the Orchest steal
(11:13):
means that in its current form, it's probably at least
partly doomed and will be fundamentally reconfigured, if not undermined altogether.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
It'll be interesting next week when the Australian Prime Minister
Anthony Albanzi finally meets for the first time face to
face with President Trump in Canada. What's likely to be
discussed during that meeting? Do you think, Jess, are we
going to hear about Orcus between the two leaders.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Then top on the agenda for Anthony Albanesi would be
Orcus and continuing with the orchest Steele and then would
also be the tariff, so particularly the tariff and steel
and aluminium that have been put on Australia from the
United States. But I think that for President Trump the
priorities will be quite different. President Trump will be trying
(12:02):
to emphasize that Australia should generally increase our defense spending.
They've sort of put this figure of up to three
point fo five percent of our GDP, which is something
I think Anthony Alberisi will be very reluctant to sort
of arbitrarily somewhat agree to increase the fence spending without
thinking about, well, where is that money going and what's
he going to be spending it on. So I think
(12:24):
that would be more of a key priority for Trump.
There might be other things that Trump has in mind
that we haven't thought of yet that he would see
as quick wins visa of the Australia. But I would
say that overall, Australia is not top of mind for Trump.
He's not really thinking about how do I build this sustainable, collaborative, ongoing,
long term relationship with Australia. He's more just looking for
(12:46):
where he could get quick wins that are going to
look impressive in his domestic context. He's not actually really
thinking about getting traction in those kind of difficult, sustained
long term relationships with partners such as Australia.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
We know that the UK has also conducted a recent
review into the Orchest Pact. The US have now and
we're talking about it, and there's maybe a bit of
cause for concern. What about Australia. Will we ever do
a review or are we just sitting pretty happy with
the current situation.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Well, I think that if Australia really wants to get
out ahead of the direction that international geopolitics seem to
be taking, it would be smart of us to do
our own review and our own evaluation ahead of time,
So not just be reactive to what Trump or America
might say, but for us to actually think about, well,
(13:42):
what would it mean if there isn't a possibility to
partner with the US on these nuclear submarines. What around
next best options are they maybe actually better options for Australia.
I know previously we had a different submarine deal that
involved France, but you know, it might be time to
put those options back on the table and to start
thinking proactively what's best for Australia in this sort of
(14:04):
brave new world where we can no longer consistently rely
on the US as a stable security partner in the
way that we have in the past.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
The founder of an orgasm cult once championed by Gwyneth Paltrow,
has been convicted of Federal Force labour Chargers Nicole Daidon
and Rachel Cherwitz of One Taste were found guilty of
pressuring vulnerable workers, many of them sexual trauma survivors, into
performing humiliating sex acts and manual labor for little or
no pay. Founded in San Francisco in two thousand and four,
(14:42):
One Taste marketed itself as a sexual wellness and empowerment organization.
Its signature practice was orgasmic meditation, or on fifteen minute
sessions where a clothed stroker would manually stimulate a female participant.
The company claimed to bridge the gap in sexual fulfillment
between men and women, drawing on Buddhist philosophies and wellness culture.
(15:05):
At its peak, it operated in multiple cities and charged
up to sixty grand per year for courses. Now. While
Gwyneth Paltrow hasn't publicly commented on the recent criminal trial,
she has been linked to the company in the past.
In twenty seventeen, the founder appeared at one of Paltrow's
in Goop health events, receiving prates from the actor slash
(15:26):
inventor of the Vagina candle. But behind one taste empowerment
facade lay a darker reality. One victim, identified as Becky,
testified that as a twenty three year old employee making
just two thousand dollars a month, she was expected to
engage in om with practically anybody off the street. Others
were allegedly forced to have sex with potential investors, while
(15:49):
many were pushed into financial ruin after being pressured to
take out loans for expensive memberships. The FBI launched an
investigation in twenty eighteen following media Expose's prosecutors described the
business as being built on the backs of victims who
gave everything to the defendants. Both women now face up.
Up to twenty is in prison with sentencing scheduled for September.
(16:15):
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You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges
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is recorded on.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is mma Mer's twice daily
news podcast, The Quickie. Is Donald Trump breaking up with Australia.
The US President has ordered a review of the Orchis
submarine deal. But what does that actually mean? Plus, the
founder of a orgasm cult once endorsed by Gwyneth Paltrow
(00:43):
has been found guilty of forced labor. How did this
once sober loved group fall from grace? Before we get there,
here's Claire Murphy with the latest from the Quickie newsroom
for Friday, June thirteen.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Thanks Taylor. A single passenger has walked from the wreckage
of a crash of an Air India plane which went
down en route to London. The plane, which was taking
off from a Metabad airport, hit a building shortly after takeoff,
taking the lives of at least two hundred forty people.
Amongst the casualties are reportedly five medical students who were
in the college hostel on the ground where the plane hit.
(01:16):
A British man was found alive in the wreckage. He
was taken to hospital, where a doctor who examined him
said he was disorientated and had multiple injuries over his body,
but that he seems to be in a stable condition.
His family says he has no idea how he survived.
His brother, who was on the flight with him, has
not been found. A video posted to social media shows
a plane slowly descending as if it were landing, not
(01:38):
taking off, before it disappears behind a row of houses.
The plane, a Boying seven eight seven Dreamliner, was reportedly
in Australia just a few days ago, landing in Melbourne
before heading back to Delhi. Alleged mushroom killer Aaron Patterson
has disagreed with the prosecution's final three questions put to
her after giving eight days of testimony. It was put
(01:59):
to Miss Patterson that she deliberately source death cap mushrooms
in twenty twenty three, deliberately included them in the beef
Wellington she served to her former in laws, and did
so intending to kill them. Patterson responded with disagree, disagree, disagree.
Patterson has pleaded not guilty to the murders of her
estranged husband, Simon's parents, Don and Gale Patterson, his aunt
(02:19):
Heather Wilkinson, and the attempted murder of Heather's husband Ian,
with all evidence in the trial concluded, just as Christopher
Beale told jurors about discussions they could expect before dismissing
them for the day. Protests over raids by immigration officials
in the US and US President Donald Trump's moved to
mobilize the National Guard and Marines in LA against those
(02:40):
protesters have seen more people take to the streets across America.
Texan Republican Governor Greg Abbott posted on social media that
they will also be deploying the National Guard to locations
across the state to ensure peace and order. Activists are
responding saying they'll hold even bigger demonstrations in coming days,
calling the events no Kings, which will coincide with Trump's
(03:01):
planned military parade in Washington on Saturday. The Trump administration
said the immigration raids will continue regardless of any protests
against them. The judge overseeing Harvey Weinstein's criminal trial in
New York has declared a mistrial on the one rape
charge against him, as one of the jurors refused to
continue deliberations. The announcement comes a day after Weinstein was
(03:21):
found guilty again of a separate charge of sex abuse,
while he was acquitted on a second as. Weinstein, once
one of Hollywood's most powerful executives, faced the retrial following
the appeals court decision to overturn his twenty twenty conviction.
Accused of raping an aspiring actress and assaulting two other women.
Weinstein has pleaded not guilty and says he's never sexually
(03:42):
assaulted anyone. The jury foreman told the judge on Wednesday
that other jurors were shouting at him and threatening him
for refusing to change his decision on the final rape charge.
The judge sent the jurors home for the day and
instructed the fourth person to arrive back in court. Separately,
Disgrace to R and B Star R. Kelly is seeking
a presidential pardon from Donald Trump in a bid to
(04:03):
be transferred from federal prison to house arrest. Kelly's currently
serving a thirty year sentence after he was convicted of
sex trafficking and racketeering, but is now hoping his sentence
will be commuted and that he'll be granted a pardon
after filing an emergency motion claiming that officials working for
the Bureau of Prisons trying to have him killed. This
information came from a fellow in May who alleges he
(04:25):
was the one asked to kill Kelly. His lawyers told
people that they believe the President is the only person
with the courage to help them. Kelly's lawyer also claims
that her client has now been placed into solitary confinement,
unable to contact his family, and is scared to eat
the food in case it's been poisoned.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Thanks Claire. Next is Australia getting dumped by Trump. Donald
Trump's team is taking another look at the Orcist Military Deal.
That's the agreement between Australia, the UK and the US
that was supposed to deliver nuclear powered submarines to boost
our navy. Trump's Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth says the President
(05:05):
is very aware and supportive of the agreement, recognizing how
how important it is strategically and that Australia is putting
some serious money on the table. But at the same time,
the Pentagons launched a review of the pact to make
sure it lines up with Trump's America First Agenda. This
thirty day review comes just as Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi
(05:26):
prepares to meet Trump at next week's G seven summit
in Canada, meaning it'll probably be something thrown into conversation
as the two leaders meet face to face for the
first time. So what's the reaction been In the wake
of Trump's announcement. Former US Ambassador Joe Hockey has called
this all or nothing for Australia, warning that without the
(05:47):
Virginia Class submarines to be delivered in twenty thirty two,
we have no options left. Meanwhile, Defense Minister Richard Mules
has downplayed the announcement. His office released a statement stressing
Australia's commitment to ORCUS, assuring US that a review from
the US should be treated as business as usual. It's
important to note the UK government also recently concluded orchis review,
(06:10):
reaffirming its support for the agreement. So why has a
review from the Trump administration been splashed all across our
news feeds this week? International relations expert doctor Jessica Ganaua
might have the answer. Jess We've been told this kind
of reviewers standard, so why are we seeing so much
about it?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I don't think that this is actually business as usual.
So it's in the current Australian government's interest to make
this seem as routine as possible and to make sure
there isn't a feeling of panic amongst the Australian population
that maybe we're being completely abandoned by America, or maybe
(06:53):
the entire Orchice deal is going to fall through, which
would have big implications for Australia domestically. So I think
that's why Richard Miles has been saying this is routine,
this is normal. But actually, as we've seen with Donald
Trump second term as president, he's been taking a lot
(07:13):
of quite extreme actions where he has no problem with
undermining existing security frameworks. So I think there is a
real risk here that the result of this review, Trump
or his administration might actually end up deciding that they
(07:33):
want to either drastically change the or castele or undermine
it altogether.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
We've been told that this is part of the America
First agenda. That's why they're looking into it now. How
serious are the implications of the possible outcome of this
review for Australia and for our defense capabilities.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I think that the implications are serious because Australia has
put a lot behind this or castele essentially the creation
of these nuclear submarines. Australia has committed to spend a
huge amount of money estimated at two hundred and seventy
to three hundred and seventy billion over the coming decade
(08:13):
or so, so this would be a very big deal
for Australia if the Aucust still fell through. Now, I
think for Trump, in terms of how we've seen him
approaching foreign affairs since coming in in his second term
as president, it's not that he's just trying to be
America first. He's trying to be Trump first. So he
(08:36):
wants to show a personal stamp on any big deals
or big decisions that are made and negotiated under his presidency.
So the very fact that August was negotiated under a
previous president already would make it seem unattractive to Trump himself.
And I think just looking at Trump's personality in the
(08:57):
way that he operates, it's entirely likely that he will
worn to be able to say to his domestic constituency
within the United States that he either fundament until he
changed the deal to make it quote unquote better for America,
or drop the deal altogether. Because he decided it wasn't
(09:17):
good for America, meaning that wasn't good from the perspective
of his core support base. So yes, I think there
is a real risk Australia is trying to downplay it
at the moment that we could see a real change
to the way in which the ORCHEST deal is currently
set up.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Can we talk a bit about who's been appointed to
oversee this review. Elbridge Coldby has previously been quite skeptical
of ORCUS. What impact could that have on the outcome?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I believe there will be at least some change, and
that's because I think Trump has purposely put someone in
charge of the review who can message this around the
negative aspects for America and why America needs to seek
a better deal for Americans, which is basically Trump's entire
message as president, which we know very much appeals to
(10:07):
his core support base that everything that he is doing
visa v. Other countries, it's not so much about existing partnerships,
it's not about building collaborative security framework. You know, we
can see he's walked away or he's sort of distancing
himself from collaborative security frameworks with European countries. And similarly,
I could see him distancing himself from this kind of
(10:29):
security agreement with the UK and Australia. So it's not
about building collaborative frameworks. It's about Trump being able to
say I'm getting a better deal for America. So if
he just basically goes along with what has already been
decided and says, you know what, it looks pretty reasonable.
It looks like, actually, you know, Australia is going to
be paying America quite a lot of money and it's
sensible for us to share that kind of defense tech,
(10:53):
then he won't be aligning himself with the way that
he wants to be viewed domestically by his own key
supporters as someone who always changes, makes a better deal,
breaks old deals that he sees is not good enough.
I almost feel just the fact that it wasn't Trump
himself who was the one who negotiated the Orchest steal
(11:13):
means that in its current form, it's probably at least
partly doomed and will be fundamentally reconfigured, if not undermined altogether.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
It'll be interesting next week when the Australian Prime Minister
Anthony Albanzi finally meets for the first time face to
face with President Trump in Canada. What's likely to be
discussed during that meeting? Do you think, Jess, are we
going to hear about Orcus between the two leaders.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Then top on the agenda for Anthony Albanesi would be
Orcus and continuing with the orchest Steele and then would
also be the tariff, so particularly the tariff and steel
and aluminium that have been put on Australia from the
United States. But I think that for President Trump the
priorities will be quite different. President Trump will be trying
(12:02):
to emphasize that Australia should generally increase our defense spending.
They've sort of put this figure of up to three
point fo five percent of our GDP, which is something
I think Anthony Alberisi will be very reluctant to sort
of arbitrarily somewhat agree to increase the fence spending without
thinking about, well, where is that money going and what's
he going to be spending it on. So I think
(12:24):
that would be more of a key priority for Trump.
There might be other things that Trump has in mind
that we haven't thought of yet that he would see
as quick wins visa of the Australia. But I would
say that overall, Australia is not top of mind for Trump.
He's not really thinking about how do I build this sustainable, collaborative, ongoing,
long term relationship with Australia. He's more just looking for
(12:46):
where he could get quick wins that are going to
look impressive in his domestic context. He's not actually really
thinking about getting traction in those kind of difficult, sustained
long term relationships with partners such as Australia.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
We know that the UK has also conducted a recent
review into the Orchest Pact. The US have now and
we're talking about it, and there's maybe a bit of
cause for concern. What about Australia. Will we ever do
a review or are we just sitting pretty happy with
the current situation.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Well, I think that if Australia really wants to get
out ahead of the direction that international geopolitics seem to
be taking, it would be smart of us to do
our own review and our own evaluation ahead of time,
So not just be reactive to what Trump or America
might say, but for us to actually think about, well,
(13:42):
what would it mean if there isn't a possibility to
partner with the US on these nuclear submarines. What around
next best options are they maybe actually better options for Australia.
I know previously we had a different submarine deal that
involved France, but you know, it might be time to
put those options back on the table and to start
thinking proactively what's best for Australia in this sort of
(14:04):
brave new world where we can no longer consistently rely
on the US as a stable security partner in the
way that we have in the past.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
The founder of an orgasm cult once championed by Gwyneth Paltrow,
has been convicted of Federal Force labour Chargers Nicole Daidon
and Rachel Cherwitz of One Taste were found guilty of
pressuring vulnerable workers, many of them sexual trauma survivors, into
performing humiliating sex acts and manual labor for little or
no pay. Founded in San Francisco in two thousand and four,
(14:42):
One Taste marketed itself as a sexual wellness and empowerment organization.
Its signature practice was orgasmic meditation, or on fifteen minute
sessions where a clothed stroker would manually stimulate a female participant.
The company claimed to bridge the gap in sexual fulfillment
between men and women, drawing on Buddhist philosophies and wellness culture.
(15:05):
At its peak, it operated in multiple cities and charged
up to sixty grand per year for courses. Now. While
Gwyneth Paltrow hasn't publicly commented on the recent criminal trial,
she has been linked to the company in the past.
In twenty seventeen, the founder appeared at one of Paltrow's
in Goop health events, receiving prates from the actor slash
(15:26):
inventor of the Vagina candle. But behind one taste empowerment
facade lay a darker reality. One victim, identified as Becky,
testified that as a twenty three year old employee making
just two thousand dollars a month, she was expected to
engage in om with practically anybody off the street. Others
were allegedly forced to have sex with potential investors, while
(15:49):
many were pushed into financial ruin after being pressured to
take out loans for expensive memberships. The FBI launched an
investigation in twenty eighteen following media Expose's prosecutors described the
business as being built on the backs of victims who
gave everything to the defendants. Both women now face up.
Up to twenty is in prison with sentencing scheduled for September.
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