October 22, 2025 • 47 mins
We trace how a dining table mic turned into a focused blue-collar podcast and why showing up beats having perfect gear. We dig into trade careers, union vs non-union nuance, and the real time cost of making a quality show while life and work keep moving.
• origins of a three-host shop-floor show
• evolving into interviews, leadership, and growth
• audience focus on hands-on workers and learners
• time cost of editing and tools that help
• consistency over perfection and analytics
• union versus non-union debate and reactions
• reconnecting family through creative work
• trade school pathways and job placement
• AI limits versus hands-on security
• women entering the trades and future segments
• practical starter advice using only a phone
• where to find the show and contact details
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SPEAKER_00 (00:03):
Welcome to the Scott Townsend Show, brought to you by
Dizoman Productions.
SPEAKER_01 (00:07):
So here I am today with uh Sam DeWitt.
Thanks for joining us, Sam.
Sam's a mechanic, turnpodcaster.
Probably still a mechanic,right?
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (00:18):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (00:20):
Uh so thanks for joining the show.
Uh, we'll start off with uh myusual question what'd you have
for breakfast this morning?
SPEAKER_03 (00:27):
Uh I have not had breakfast this morning.
And um sadly, the on-call phoneis ringing, so hold please.
Of course.
SPEAKER_01 (00:40):
Oh, the on call.
He must be on call.
SPEAKER_03 (00:44):
And of course it's a spam call.
What the crap! Of course it's afreaking spam call.
SPEAKER_01 (00:54):
Yeah.
I apologize.
So no breakfast this morning.
SPEAKER_03 (00:57):
No, sir.
No breakfast this morning.
I I I rolled out of bed and uh,well, I had a Dr.
Pepper for breakfast.
This would be number two.
SPEAKER_01 (01:06):
Well, so yeah, uh a good friend of mine, uh Glenn
Hall, uh reached out, said Ishould uh get in touch with you.
You know, Glenn, I've been intouch with Glenn.
Yes.
Um, and so based on Glenn'srecommendation, I reached out
and uh thought it it would befun to have you on the show and
talk about uh the blue collaraspect of podcasting and kind of
(01:29):
what you're doing in that uhniche, so to speak.
Yep.
Um let's start off with uh, youknow, so what's inspired you to
start?
And I should mention, by theway, that your podcast, uh the
Livin' the Dream podcast, livingL-I-V-I-N.
That's right, the podcast, theuh the the dream podcast.
(01:51):
How'd you get started?
SPEAKER_03 (01:52):
So it was me and two other guys.
We had kind of joked about wewere gonna start a podcast, and
it was uh basically it was drunkthoughts, and uh we were like,
we should start a podcast, andthen it kind of it went to the
wayside for a while, and then uhJosiah had come up and he's
like, you know what?
He goes, Let's actually do this.
(02:14):
So he went and bought a littlemicrophone, and our first
episode, and it's titled TheBeginning, is atrocious as far
as audio quality goes, becauseit was one microphone on a
dining room table, and all ofthe echo feedback and audio.
But um gotta start somewhere,yeah, yeah.
So we've uh and it was just amatter of we were just talking
(02:37):
about because it was threedifferent people from three
different uh uh areas of work.
Uh Joe was is a uh journeymanplumber, now a contract plumber.
Uh Tegan is a heavy equipmentmechanic, and then I'm a um CNC
technician is my primary talent.
(02:58):
So what's CNC?
Computer numerically controlled.
So it's uh lathes, mills,routers, lasers, oh okay.
Um robots, any anything alongthat realm.
SPEAKER_01 (03:10):
That's cool.
SPEAKER_03 (03:11):
I can probably fix it.
That's awesome.
Yeah, or phone a friend thatknows how to fix it.
SPEAKER_01 (03:17):
Yeah.
So you started off with threeguys talking about uh work,
basically.
SPEAKER_03 (03:23):
Basically, your work.
Yeah, it was, you know, it wasour our experiences in work.
Uh, we also had different ageranges.
You know, I was the older one ofthe podcast, they were in their
uh mid-20s, mid to early 20s.
So it was also a different uh,you know, different viewpoint in
the blue collar realm.
You know, it's a differentgeneration.
Uh that their outlook on theblue-collar community, me being
(03:48):
the older one, seeing it as moreof the the rough and tumble, and
you know, I'll I'll beat youinto submission and you're gonna
do the work and it's gonna behard.
And then their generation kindof has some of that, but not as
much.
And so it was it was a goodidea.
We didn't really have any focusor uh didn't really have any
(04:13):
idea what we were trying toaccomplish.
It was more just three guyssitting around, you know,
dumping on about work and justkind of giving our perspective
on things that were going on.
So that was how it started.
I'm trying to refine.
We and why it's just me now iswe ended up moving, so it was a
(04:34):
lot harder for us to gettogether and do it weekly,
right?
Um I've gotten some softwarerecently that allows me to be
able to reach out, like youknow, kind of like you are you
and I are now.
Right as an option, I realized Imight have gone with it, it's
probably cheaper, but I I lovethe Zoom uh format.
SPEAKER_01 (04:58):
Uh been doing it for many years now, the last five
years.
Okay, and uh it just it puts meanywhere, you know.
I uh I've interviewed people inGermany and France and Denmark
and all over the United States,and I can do it right here
sitting, you know.
That's fantastic.
(05:19):
Yeah, and uh so it's been a lotof fun.
So would you say that your uh uhup up to now your your focus now
is still blue-collar focus, yourpodcast?
SPEAKER_03 (05:33):
So so the podcast is still oriented around evolved.
It it's so it's still orientedaround the blue-collar
community, uh, because it's whatI know.
But it's kind of grown into moreof interviews and trying to get
people that are in differenttrades, different realms, and
(05:54):
you know, talk to them about thestruggles that they have, uh,
leadership things, uh, growth.
Uh some of the podcasts thatI've done that were just me were
talking about my careerdevelopment, uh, where how I
came from an a mechanic to themaster mechanic to trying to
(06:16):
train myself and grow into aleadership role.
So it's just kind of one ofthose, it's it's I guess
blue-collar evolution is what itturned out to be.
Uh the the name Live in theDream, honestly, the reason we
went with it and we had no ideathat there were so many other
live in the dreams out.
We might have chosen differentlyhad we known, but because it's
(06:40):
hell, it's it's been difficultwith visibility.
So um, but we chose it becauseyou walk up to somebody and
you're like, Hey man, how youdoing?
And their response is live inthe dream.
Like, oh, funny, you should saythat.
I have a podcast that talksabout just that.
So it was kind of an icebreakerand an easy social, you know,
interaction.
(07:00):
Uh like I had a previouspodcast.
This the last one I put out wasyou know, social networking or
uh networking, it's not justsocial media.
So the the the live in the dreamtitle itself is an icebreaker.
So that was that was kind of thereason behind the the the naming
of the podcast.
And you know, we didn't wedidn't do any research as to
(07:22):
marketability or any of thatstuff.
SPEAKER_01 (07:25):
You just launched off and did it.
SPEAKER_03 (07:27):
Yeah, we just dove in and rolled with it.
And we're we're about a we're ayear, a little over a year and a
half into it.
I say we're it's me and themouse in my pocket now.
SPEAKER_01 (07:37):
So are you glad you started?
SPEAKER_03 (07:41):
I am, I am.
I'm glad that I started.
It's been it's been a lot offun.
Uh I I was a an uh I'm not gonnasay an audio engineer, but I I
ran sound for a church youthgroup for 10 years, I think it
was, and I really enjoyed thataspect, the mixing of it, and
and that was all live.
(08:02):
So there was there was littleopportunity for screw-ups and
stuff like that.
So uh that I and I enjoyed thataspect of it, and I hadn't done
it in a long time.
And uh so I'm I'm really pickyabout sound quality, how good
things sound, how good, youknow, does does the audio link
together, you know, so on and soforth.
(08:23):
So I I try to I I I use this asto kind of scratch that itch.
SPEAKER_01 (08:29):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Who do you think uh when youwhen you're when you're doing
your podcast, who uh who do youenvision?
Who's your ideal listener?
Who's uh who's listening uh onthe other side?
Who do you picture tuning in?
SPEAKER_03 (08:46):
So I honestly it's it's anybody that's touching a
tool.
If if you're if you're wrenchingon something, if you're a
carpenter, if you're if you'reoperating a crane, it it doesn't
matter.
If you if you're going to workclean and coming home dirty, I'd
love, you know, I I would lovefor them to be on the other side
of the other side of thecomputer screen.
(09:08):
And uh, you know, and and theyoung guys, you know, I a lot of
my audience is the 25 to 30range.
And so that's kind of where I'veI've tried to throw in some of
the learning aspect of itbecause you know you get into
the blue-collar trade and you'relike, oh, I want to be CEO.
Whoa, there killer.
(09:30):
You gotta, you know, there'ssome steps you gotta go through,
and you can be that way, right?
But there's an there's anotheruh oh, I can't remember the name
right offhand, but uh bluecollar BS, we'll name drop them.
They they had a guy on therethat he started off as a helper
and is now the CEO of a majorpipeline company.
(09:53):
So, you know, I mean it's it'sit's stories like that that I
want to share that, you know, ifyou really dive in, put in the
work and the effort, you can youcan do anything, but you're not
gonna be given it, especiallythe collar community.
You're not gonna get handed acareer, you've got to earn the
skills and and the effort has tobe put in to get there.
SPEAKER_01 (10:15):
What's your uh biggest surprise so far in
starting your podcast?
SPEAKER_03 (10:20):
Looking back on it, the amount of time that it that
it involves.
SPEAKER_01 (10:27):
Yeah, people don't realize how much time it really
takes.
SPEAKER_03 (10:29):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (10:30):
No idea.
SPEAKER_03 (10:31):
The the recording, the recording is the easy part
because I'm good at talking, Idon't have a problem with that.
It's the the editing andscrutinizing and making sure
that you know you're putting outthe best the best level product
that you can, and that takestime.
I but but there are there aresoftwares out there.
I've got on the shirt here atRiverside.
(10:54):
I found them recently, and arethey helpful?
So, you know, for anyone outthere wanting to start a
podcast, it is it so I guess mything is there's always the
statement you've got to spendmoney to make money.
And I mean, obviously, I havenot hit the make money part yet,
but neither have I.
(11:15):
Right, but I've met someincredible people.
Um, and but you know, if youwant to put out a quality
product, you're gonna have toput some money into it.
And the uh Riverside, I thinkit's I think it was like I think
it's like$39 a month orsomething like that.
But it does so much of theediting and makes the editing so
(11:38):
much simpler.
And you can go you can gothrough and um refine it and
make little changes, and uh youcan yeah, I mean you can full on
edit it if you want to, but theyhave the ability to kind of chop
out some of the ums and ahs, andthey can uh because I have a lot
(12:01):
of those.
Yeah, we all do.
But you can the silent momentsand stuff like that, it keeps
the it keeps the podcast flowingmore because if you have a lot
of dead air or something likethat, and then you end up with
moments like that, then you knowpeople lose interest.
So right.
(12:22):
I'd say the hardest thing abouta podcast is keeping someone's
attention.
SPEAKER_01 (12:26):
Yeah, that's true.
That's very true.
I uh the uh time um yeah, I th II think the rule of thumb is for
every hour, for every hour ittakes three to four hours.
I'd say that's pretty accurateto edit uh audio, yeah.
(12:46):
And if it's video, it's like forevery hour, it's four to five
hours.
I can't, I'm I'm I'm close.
Uh I could be getting thatwrong, but it that's close, and
I believe it.
SPEAKER_03 (12:58):
I I would say with my experience, you're accurate.
SPEAKER_01 (13:01):
You know, so if you do an hour podcast, if you do an
hour interview, and then you goback and you listen to it once
just to get a feel for whathappened, right?
Then you go back and you arelooking for the main theme or
what's really being said here,and what can be cut out, that's
(13:22):
another hour at least.
Then you go back and listen toit again to make sure it all
sounds right, and then you heara mistake or something that you
forgot to take out or you leftin.
Yep.
So, you know, and then by thetime you uh upload it and create
a thumbnail and get yourdescriptions and transcripts and
(13:43):
chapters and all that stuff,yeah, you're you're way into it,
you know.
Yeah, yeah.
It's it's it's gotta besomething you really enjoy
doing, which I I do, thankgoodness.
But uh, I don't think peopleappreciate uh how much time it
it takes to do one.
SPEAKER_03 (13:58):
Oh, absolutely, yeah.
It well, when I first startedinto this, I didn't I I had no
concept, never really thoughtabout it.
And then going through andediting even that first podcast
was uh I think I probably hadsix, seven hours into it because
I was really trying to likescrutinize it and make it, you
know, the best thing ever.
(14:18):
Right.
So if going back and listeningto it now, it hurts my heart.
I mean, from then to now is isis night and day different,
right?
SPEAKER_01 (14:31):
And then but you just get better at what you do
as you as you practice it overtime, and so you've always got
to start off sucking, yeah.
You know, Pixar Pixar says thatwhen they start their movies,
they always start off with thesuck, you know, it just sucks.
Yeah, but you keep working on itand refine it, and and you get
it from a monster's ink whenit's just horrible, but you
(14:54):
gotta be okay with it beinghorrible because you gotta start
somewhere, yeah.
It's always gonna start thatway.
SPEAKER_03 (14:58):
Well, and a lot of the things like I've I've
watched the unsubscribedpodcast, and some of the things
that they've talked about onlike their journey is is you
know, it's when you first startout, even with the YouTube like
uh Matt Carricker's one, thatjust quantity.
It's not it's not about quality,it's getting out there, getting
(15:20):
your name out there, and andconsistency, quality, and or no
quantity and consistency, andthe quality will come later.
SPEAKER_01 (15:27):
Yeah.
And consistency is the onethat's hard for me.
I mean, I try to I've tried tohit the one week mark, and I
just, you know, for I mean, Iit's a hit or miss kind of a
thing.
Um, and I've been pretty good atit, but then I I I just find
that to be actually I find thatto be surprisingly for me,
(15:49):
that's the most challengingaspect of podcasting is the
consistency because you have tohave consistency to build an
audience.
Because, you know, like ifyou're watching TV when up, we
were growing up, you know, ifyou had uh I'm gonna date myself
here, but Hawaii 5 0, you know,comes on at uh eight o'clock on
Wednesday night.
(16:10):
Right.
Well, if they if they miss thateight o'clock slot and you tune
in and it's not there, thenyou're gonna flip the channel
something else.
Right.
So you always have to be thereat the same bat channel, same
bat time, and let people uh getused to that that time slot or
(16:30):
at least that day, you know, sothey can anticipate and tell
other people about it.
But if you're if but if you ifyou're not there, this is I'm
always kicking myself in thebutt.
If you're not there and theytune in or they expect to see
something or hear something andyou're not there, right?
So then you but then you getguys like uh Dan Carlin uh
(16:55):
history.
Um come on, uh history.
Um the not the history channel,it's uh hardcore history.
Okay, and he's got one of thebest podcasts.
Everybody will say he is his isone of the best podcasts ever.
Okay, but he only posts likeonce every three months or so,
(17:18):
or maybe it's four.
Yeah, because he does so muchresearch into his his historical
story, right?
And it just takes a long timefor him to get one out.
But when he gets one out, it's ahome run every time.
Yeah, so you got that end of it,you know.
And uh, but anyway, yeah.
So uh what were we talkingabout?
SPEAKER_03 (17:38):
I've got I don't know, we rabbit trailed, but
that's and that's that's that'smy podcast entire entirety is we
start off on one topic and thenwe'll rabbit trail and we'll
come back and then we rabbittrail and then we come back.
Um we there for a while we had awe had a saying, uh it was a
beer thought, because you know,if you if you came up with
something just a squirrelmoment, it was a beer thought.
SPEAKER_01 (18:00):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (18:01):
So we uh but the there's there's all kinds of
other there's a lot of podcaststhat have been an inspiration
that they're not even weekly,they're they're a monthly
podcast, and you know, it'sstuff like that that which would
be great.
And and it I I made it I thinkeight months where we were
(18:22):
posting cons consistently everyweek, Thursday at 5 a.m.
And uh, and then I moved and Ithink I went I went radio silent
for like three or four months,yeah.
And and it was just it, youknow, it was hard to get back
into it.
It was one of those deals, it'slike, do I want to continue this
(18:43):
on because it's just gonna beme?
Um and you know, it there was athere was a figuring out is you
know, is Living the Dream deador is it gonna continue on?
And so I finally said, forgetit, I'm gonna go into it
wholehearted, bought studiolighting, bought uh upgraded
(19:04):
soundboard.
Uh yeah, I've I've invested uhquite a bit more into it, and
and it seems to it seems to begetting some attention and some
growth.
And uh, you know, I have I havemy tens of listeners that come
in and on the week on theweekly.
SPEAKER_01 (19:20):
And right.
Hey, that's that's awesome.
If you got tens, you've got agreat podcast.
Yeah.
There's nothing to sneeze outthere.
SPEAKER_03 (19:29):
Well, and one of the great things that's been that
I've benefited from this was uhI have a half brother that lives
in Kentucky, and the podcaststarted and we hadn't spoken and
not because of anything bad, butjust because there's a there's a
big age difference between usand he I think the last time we
(19:51):
had talked, he was seven.
So, you know, I was I think I'm10 years old.
No, like 15 years older thanhim.
Um so but we hadn't reallyspoken a whole lot.
Well, he saw the podcast or hiswife saw the podcast on social
media and he reached out to mebut through because of the
(20:14):
podcast.
So we've and we've talked everyday since then.
So that was one of those thingsI'm like, if I if I didn't get
anything else from the podcast,that was cool to me.
SPEAKER_01 (20:24):
Right, that's awesome.
What uh you know when uh I'm aI'm a huge podcast listener.
I mean, I consume a lot ofpodcasts.
What do you listen to?
What do you what do you likelistening to, or would you
recommend so besides Living theDream?
SPEAKER_03 (20:42):
Right, yeah.
Obviously, we'll recommendLiving the Dream.
Uh the Scott Townsend show.
Scott Townsend show.
Um, so the blue collar BSpodcast, that's a new addition
to the the rotation.
Uh The Briefing by AlbertMoeller.
I listened to that one.
He's he's a daily podcast uhpodcaster, and he's always got
(21:05):
it's uh uh news and events froma Christian worldview.
So yeah, I what's it called?
The briefing?
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (21:13):
I think I know that one.
SPEAKER_03 (21:14):
Yeah, it is.
SPEAKER_01 (21:16):
My brother told me about that one.
SPEAKER_03 (21:17):
It's a really good, it's a really good podcast.
It it gives you the news and Imean it gives you the news and
events from a Christianworldview.
Yeah, and it's it's just areally good source of news in
that respect.
And it's just 30 minutes orwhatever, so that's usually my
that's my end-to-work podcastthat I listen to.
(21:38):
Oh, yeah, okay.
Um let's see.
The Daily Wire.
I listen to, you know, Ben BenShapiro, Matt Walsh, uh what's
the other?
I I used to listen to anotherone and I can't remember his
name right now, so forgive me onthat one.
But and then there's uh SmarterEveryday, the a uh No Dumb
(22:03):
Questions, that's what it is.
Their their podcast is No DumbQuestions, and that one is a
great one too, because that's uhDustin Sadlin, he does Smarter
Everyday on YouTube, uh which Ihave I have an engineering
background, and so I'm I'm a bitI'm a bit white collar and a bit
(22:25):
blue-collar, so it kind of goesboth ways.
SPEAKER_01 (22:30):
I got no stupid questions on my rotation.
SPEAKER_03 (22:33):
No stupid questions?
SPEAKER_01 (22:35):
Yeah, by uh what is this?
Uh hosted by oh Angela Duckworthand Mike Megan.
Megan.
Okay, so it's not the samething.
Yeah.
But it's probably similar.
(22:55):
Okay.
Yeah, that's cool.
SPEAKER_03 (22:57):
And then you've got, let's see, uh then Mike Rose.
I listen to his sometimes.
Uh he's well, he's kind of a hewas kind of a big inspiration
for all this too.
Is that was kind of I think ourthoughts on this is it's the
audio.
It was originally it wasintended to just be like the
audio version of dirty jobs, andwe just talked about the
(23:17):
blue-collar jobs, and then we'vemoved into video and so on and
so forth.
But right, you know, Mike Rowe,if you if you want to hit us up,
uh I wouldn't be sad.
As a matter of fact, I'dprobably pass out.
SPEAKER_01 (23:30):
But what's the biggest thing you've learned
about yourself on this uh year,year and a half uh podcasting
journey, blue collar podcastingjourney?
SPEAKER_03 (23:42):
I I've learned that well, one that this can be a big
uh tool for almost a journalingaspect of you know being able
to, this is where I'm at in mylife.
And that's one of the thingsthat has helped.
I I've also learned that I'm notas good a speaker as I thought I
(24:04):
was when I started this.
Sometimes it's uh it's it'srough listening to the
recording.
I'm going, oh Lord, that wasterrible.
SPEAKER_02 (24:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (24:14):
But we I'd say the biggest takeaway from this year
was learning that the like wewere talking about, the
consistency is is very difficultto do.
And we've you know, it this ispodcasting is a labor of love.
(24:37):
If you don't have an alreadywell-known name, this is a labor
of love.
SPEAKER_01 (24:43):
Yeah.
And when you're consistent, whenyou when you when when you uh
show up show up week in, weekout, or every two weeks,
whatever, you just gotta be okaywith sometimes it's just not
gonna go well.
Yeah, you know, you do yourbest, but sometimes, but you
can't let that slow you down,you know.
You just gotta you gotta stay onyour game and and keep doing it,
(25:07):
uh and it gets better.
And but then some weeks it'sjust gonna bomb and and I keep
reminding me myself that becauseif I think about that, I let it
slow me down.
But yeah, uh, I have a lot of alot of great episodes out there,
but I've also got some ones thatI just but you that's what you
gotta do, man.
You know, yeah, not everyone canbe uh a winner, I guess.
(25:33):
Yeah, whatever the winner is.
SPEAKER_03 (25:35):
Not all gonna be a rock star.
Yeah, I uh another thing Ilearned is just quit looking at
the analytics, just go, justjust put it out there.
If it's something, if thecontent you're if you're
passionate about the content,just put it out there.
SPEAKER_01 (25:49):
Right.
That's that's really goodadvice.
SPEAKER_03 (25:52):
So it's you know, it's it's not always about the
numbers.
And and if you're if youcontinue, just I I believe, but
I don't have any proof of thisyet, but I believe that if you
if you stay consistent and youget the content out there, the
numbers will come.
And that's just that's what Ijust keep telling myself.
And and it'll be and and it'sfun.
(26:13):
I enjoy the sitting down here.
I've had some episodes.
I've had my dad on the podcastto where we've talked about his
career.
I have good, I've had co-workersthat uh I've had on here that
we've talked about theircareers.
Uh I've started some controversyon some on uh union versus
non-union, brother.
SPEAKER_02 (26:34):
Oh, great.
SPEAKER_03 (26:36):
You want to stir this pot.
Uh have you an episode on there?
SPEAKER_01 (26:40):
And yeah, I love that.
SPEAKER_03 (26:42):
Yeah, that was probably the biggest on the on
the social media side.
That was probably one of ourbiggest episodes because my
biological father is a retiredunion pipe fitter.
And we had him, that was ourfirst phone-in podcast.
That was another some milestonefor us, yeah.
(27:03):
And uh he was on there andtalked about the you know, his
experience in the union, andgave he gave a really neutral
stance on it, and that wasactually surprising for me
because I figured he was, youknow, pro-union because right
family prior to me has been.
(27:25):
Not that I'm saying I'm notpro-union, I'm just saying I'm
not in a union.
So that but uh so he gave areally neutral stance on it, and
golly did that piss people off.
It was really surprising.
So uh it it's just beeninteresting, the uh the the
(27:47):
interactions and seeing uhseeing the reactions to some of
the content that we've put out.
And that's probably been one ofthe most enjoyable things for me
is I'm kind of I'm a peopleperson, so seeing that reaction
(28:08):
and getting that feedback is isone of the things that I enjoy.
If I can get if I could get morepeople to comment and stuff like
that, that would be a that wouldI think would be fun too.
SPEAKER_01 (28:20):
Be careful what you wish for.
SPEAKER_03 (28:22):
Hey, I love a good keyboard warrior.
Let's go.
SPEAKER_01 (28:26):
Uh what challenges have you faced in getting
started with your podcast?
Uh, you know, like this might bea good chance to encourage other
new creators listening to theshow.
SPEAKER_03 (28:38):
Um well, moving out here, internet.
Holy crap.
Finding quality internet becauseI'm not close enough to town to
get good internet.
So I'm on uh I have uh I'mtrying to think of what it is.
So it's station, it's stationarywireless, so it's a radio
(29:00):
transmitter that bounces off abig tower.
And I was real close to going toStarlink because it was getting
inconsistent and it neverfailed.
They were down or doing repairswhen I'm trying to upload.
So man, that's been that's beenmy biggest hurdle is just being
(29:23):
able to stink and upload.
Um, so but they're running fiberoptic in front of my house right
now, so right.
I am excited.
So internet will not be a hurdleany longer.
SPEAKER_01 (29:39):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Fiber optics.
So, you know, how do you uh livein the dream?
How do you know if it has beenor will be successful?
What's the metric?
What what or you know, is thereis there a metric?
Uh uh
SPEAKER_03 (30:00):
I'll I'll be honest with you that this started off
as no expectations for thepodcast whatsoever.
It was it was intended for threefriends sitting around and
discussing and maybe just justsharing a little bit of
knowledge and maybe talkingabout some perspectives in the
blue-collar community that otherpeople don't talk about.
(30:23):
Um the toll it takes on yourbody.
Like, yeah, in the in the the inthe community, yeah, we're
always like, oh, my back hurts,my knees are gone, my shoulders,
toes, blah, blah, blah.
You know, that's something thatwe don't talk about.
We also don't talk about some ofthe emotional strain that it
that that our careers put on ourfamilies.
(30:45):
Uh, that's a lot of things thatthat nobody really talks about
in the blue-collar communitybecause it's just we're out here
making money.
Sometimes out here making moneyis 16, 18 hour days.
SPEAKER_02 (30:55):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (30:56):
And that puts that puts a strain on a family.
So, you know, it's it's stufflike that we've talked about.
It's it's that sounds like agood topic.
No, it sounds like yeah, that'sactually that's that that may be
um maybe one in the nextepisodes.
Yeah.
Uh and what's funny is is I haveI have a wife that is in the
Luke Aller community as well.
(31:16):
She's uh maintenance technicianfor a local company.
Oh, okay.
So uh so we've got we've got twoperspectives, which I'm gonna go
ahead and we'll we'll tease thisone.
That I think we're either gonnado a segment to where it's maybe
once a month that her and I doan episode together and kind of
talk about women in theblue-collar world.
(31:39):
Um because that's becoming moreand more of a thing.
SPEAKER_01 (31:42):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (31:43):
Uh my daughter is in automotive vote right now, so
she's moving into a quoteunquote man's field.
And so that's a coming episodeor segment or maybe a separate
podcast.
I don't know just yet.
It all depends on how it goes.
It'll probably just be a segmenton Living the Dream moving
(32:05):
forward.
Right.
Until if it if it really takesoff, then maybe it'll become its
own thing.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (32:11):
The listeners.
I think the the whole subject ofuh blue collar uh is interesting
because colleges are just notcutting it uh anymore, and they
haven't for quite a while, andso uh they're they're cranking
out these students than theyhave anything.
SPEAKER_03 (32:30):
Uh huh.
They've become more of anindoctrination camp than they
have an education specifically,right?
SPEAKER_01 (32:34):
And then they turn these kids loose with uh debt up
to their eye up to theireyeballs in debt, and then they
can't uh you know get a job inthe degree that they majored in,
and and so they're saddled withyou know this debt, and they you
know might even have to declarebankruptcy, but even bankruptcy
doesn't clear you from the uhcollege debt.
(32:56):
So they're just hung out to dryafter this uh four years, six
years, whatever, you know.
The blue-collar work is great.
SPEAKER_03 (33:05):
Yeah, you can go I started in why I stayed in the
blue-collar field because I wentthrough school when I got out of
school.
I couldn't make enough moneywith the degree to pay the
student loan.
So I kept working in thefactories, which is what I did
through college, because I canmake more money.
SPEAKER_01 (33:22):
Yeah.
So there you go.
And then uh, you know, kids, Isay kids, uh, I would yeah,
wholeheartedly recommend they goto a vote or something and learn
something, uh some trade of somesort, because you can almost go
to work immediately after you uhI don't do you get a degree or
(33:46):
do you get uh after you getthrough with your training?
SPEAKER_03 (33:48):
Yeah, most of the trade schools actually offer a
job shadowing.
If it's a two-year program, theyoffer a job shadowing for the
first year, and then the secondyear they do job placement.
So if you're top of your class,then they will help you find a
job.
SPEAKER_01 (34:03):
Yeah, so that's just amazing.
And I got a a friend of mine,he's 22 years old, and he's
studying to be a lineman and uhclimbing poles and uh you know,
doing all that kind of stuff,and he's absolutely loving it
and driving those big rigs, andyeah, uh it's he's setting up,
(34:23):
he's he's getting set up.
I mean, that he he's uh alreadygot an internship lined out, and
then uh when they get through,when he gets through with that,
he'll be knocking down somepretty big bucks.
Oh, yeah.
And then uh, so I just I I meana good electrician, go try to
find one, you know, a plumber,uh Finnish carpenter.
(34:46):
Uh you hear roofer, you hearhorror stories of people trying
to find someone to come fixsomething, but you can't get
anybody because they're allbooked up and there's nobody
else to do it, and you have towait six months to get them to
come to your place.
Yep, there's a huge market forit.
So I'm all in, I'm I'm boughtin.
SPEAKER_03 (35:05):
Yeah, the the the that was another thing too, is
is we, you know, we were tryingto talk about some of the the
benefits of the blue collarcommunity because I had the two
other younger generation, the 20somethings that were coming into
the blue-collar community.
So it was, you know, we werealso trying to promote the
blue-collar community becausethere's there's a there's a job
(35:28):
shortage, or there's a there'snot a job shortage, there's a
demand for the jobs, there'sjust not enough people to fill
those jobs, right?
SPEAKER_02 (35:36):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (35:36):
But I really feel like that the Gen Z, like that
aspect of it is fixing to shifta lot of that.
There's there's been enough ofthe millennials and stuff like
that that have pushed for the umpushed for the blue-collar
growth for the trades that we'relike going, hey, there's people
(36:01):
are retiring, and we don't havepeople, we don't have people to
fill it.
So so we've we we've seen it andlived it.
SPEAKER_01 (36:09):
People are scared, running scared right now about
AI and AI taking jobs and uhHollywood, the creators, the
writers, uh, they're all and itmay be rightfully so because
it's doing a pretty good job ofcoming up with stuff, and so who
knows how that's gonna happen.
SPEAKER_03 (36:26):
But something they've been putting out lately.
Uh, I think AI could have donebetter anyhow.
SPEAKER_01 (36:33):
But I think uh I don't see AI coming fixing your
electric.
I don't see AI fixing yourtoilet or installing uh
whatever, you know.
Yeah, um, I think that's prettygood security for a while.
Uh when everybody else isrunning scared from this new AI
stuff, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (36:54):
Uh I think anybody into the blue collar community,
AI can't touch us.
SPEAKER_01 (37:00):
Yeah, it's not gonna get dirty.
And you know, you gotta yougotta love getting dirty and
stuff, but you also gotta lovemaking money because you will be
making money getting dirty, youknow.
So I would have a problem withthat.
SPEAKER_03 (37:12):
If you look at it in just the comparison, like we
were talking about, you know,you come out of college with a
degree and you're saddled withall of this debt.
So the average college studentcomes out with somewhere to
$30,000,$40,000 worth of debt.
At least.
And then, and yeah, like I said,that's average$30,000 to$40,000
in debt.
And then you get your averageblue-collar guy, you can go to
Votec, uh, you could go to likeOSU Oakmogey or something like
(37:34):
that, not sponsored, but herethey go.
And you come out of there with$20,000,$25,000 in debt, but
you're gonna be making$60,000,$70,000 a year, and it's not
gonna be hard to pay that off,especially because you're just
starting out, you don't have awhole lot of other debt.
So you pay that sucker off, andthen five years from now, you've
got a solid career that's notgonna go anywhere, and you don't
(37:57):
have debt.
SPEAKER_01 (37:58):
And you could be having your own business, people
working for you, apprenticingunder you.
Oh, yeah, you know, just you canmake it as much as you make it
as big as you want to make it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (38:09):
My daughter asked me when she was when she had taught
uh thought about going into thethe automotive vote.
She asked me, she goes, What doyou think about it?
I said, You'll never be withouta job.
SPEAKER_01 (38:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (38:17):
And I mean, and that that's that's the truth because
whether you're working for acompany or for yourself, you'll
always be able to have income.
So I was like, I'm 100% for it.
I actually have told both of mykids, I've got an older uh son
that he's turning 21 this year.
Holy cow.
Um he's uh I told both of them II will 100% support you and
(38:44):
would happily pay for your tradeschool.
I won't pay for college.
So uh that's that's just me andand my perspective on it.
So but I because I because Ibelieve that you know you can
get your degree in underwaterbasket weaving and have sixty
thousand dollars in debt, or youcan have twenty and have a
career that'll last a lifetime.
SPEAKER_01 (39:06):
Right.
Have you ever heard of Ken Rusk?
I have not.
So I found out about Ken throughuh I can't remember how how that
came up.
But anyway, so he wrote thisbook, uh Blue Collar Cash.
(39:28):
Oh, okay.
Yeah, he's uh ditch digger.
He was originally a ditchdigger, now he owns uh several
several companies worth millionsof dollars, and he's all about
uh vote, he's all about the bluecollar.
Um it's a it's a great uh read.
(39:50):
I've had him on twice on theshow, and he's up in Minnesota
or something like that.
But uh anyway, he's super big onblue collar and uh helping
people uh reach their dreamsthrough blue collar work,
whether it's through his companyor just you know trying to help
a kid get a leg up on the in theworld.
(40:12):
Yeah, so I'd recommend readingblue collar cash, it's uh he's
got a good take on it.
SPEAKER_03 (40:17):
Yeah, well, I'll definitely have to check that
out.
Maybe we'll do some exchangingof contact information because I
think that would be great tohave him on the show.
Sure.
SPEAKER_01 (40:25):
You know, if someone listening wanted to start their
own podcast, what would you whatadvice would you give them?
How what would you uh tell themto do?
SPEAKER_03 (40:34):
And you don't have to have with the cell phones
that we have nowadays, you don'thave to have this, you don't
have to have this, you don'thave to have the camera that I'm
staring at, you don't have tohave any of that stuff.
This is this is the day and ageif you want to have a podcast,
you've got you you have anentire studio right here in your
(40:55):
hand all day.
You can which is pretty amazing.
You can do the editing, you cando everything on this device.
So, and it's it's astonishing.
I don't have the skill set to doit on that.
That's why I have the mixer, themicrophone, right?
SPEAKER_01 (41:12):
Well, you have experience with it, right?
SPEAKER_03 (41:14):
And so that's you know, that's the way I know how
to do it, but with you know,don't don't hesitate, man.
Just get out there, put yourairpods in, and you've got
you've got a microphone and acamera right there in front of
you.
You can have your own podcast.
SPEAKER_01 (41:29):
Yeah, the entry to the barrier to entry is
non-existent anymore.
SPEAKER_03 (41:34):
Yeah, there's no there's no nothing is stopping
you except for yourself.
SPEAKER_01 (41:38):
Right.
Well, any last words, anythoughts on uh your podcast, uh
your podcast journey?
Uh what are you looking forwardto?
What's what's coming up?
You mentioned you and your wifeand your daughter maybe doing
some shows.
SPEAKER_03 (41:55):
Um so I you know, I just I'm excited about the the
podcast in the future for forLiving the Dream.
Uh, you know, it's it's also ithas it has promoted a lot of
connections like with withfinding Scott here.
And uh I just I look forward toto where it goes from here.
(42:18):
It's really kind of finallystarted to get some traction, I
feel like, and you know, peopleare noticing and wanting to be a
part of it.
Um so you know, just just staytuned because I I think I if I
can get my consistency straight,then I I think there'll be some
I think there'll be some bigsome big changes and uh some
(42:40):
some good growth coming down thepipe.
SPEAKER_01 (42:43):
You know, back to consistency just for a second.
You know, I you think well I'lljust do it once a week, and that
doesn't sound like a hard thingto do.
Yeah, that's tough.
I'm gonna tell you right now,for those of you starting out
thinking you're gonna start apodcast, a weekly podcast.
All right, okay, I'm with you.
But just know that's a lotharder than it sounds.
Yeah, you might want to go forevery two weeks, you know, or
(43:06):
yeah, maybe once a month, andtry that out and then bump it up
if you're feeling froggy, youknow.
SPEAKER_03 (43:12):
Just uh, but yeah, yeah, working working 60 to 80
hours a week and trying to uhedit a podcast and record a
podcast has proved to be verychallenging.
SPEAKER_01 (43:26):
Oh man, to say the least.
Well, for those who areinterested in getting in touch
with you, uh how do they howwhere do they go to find out
about you and your podcast?
SPEAKER_03 (43:36):
So we're on YouTube as Living the Dream.
You've got to look for the gottahave to look for the logo.
Um, it's uh we're on YouTube,we're on Facebook, we're on
Patreon.
That's where you get all of thebehind the scenes and the good
juicy little nuggets that may beaired publicly.
Um that way if you're paying forit, you can't blame me for it.
(43:57):
So um, let's see.
So I got Facebook, YouTube,we're on Spotify, Apple Podcast,
uh Spotify.
We also do the video, uh, we dovideo and an audio upload, or I
think it's it's a video uploadon Spotify as well, because they
just started doing thatrecently.
Um but yeah, look us up.
(44:19):
We're on LinkedIn as well.
That was uh that was how I founda lot of my guests.
So uh so yeah, look us upeverywhere.
It's living the dream, it's nog, just living, you know.
Um, I wish I would I wish Icould remember the actor's name,
but that was that's one of thethings that I've I wanted to do
a sound bite where he does thatL-I-V-I-N, baby.
SPEAKER_01 (44:42):
Sounds like Matthew McConaughey.
SPEAKER_03 (44:44):
That that's probably it.
That's it.
I think that's that's who it is.
SPEAKER_01 (44:48):
So all right.
So your email address, livingthe dream24 at gmail.com.
SPEAKER_03 (44:55):
It's live living the dream podcast24 at gmail.com
because uh you know, like Isaid, uh had we done some market
research on Living the Dream, weprobably wouldn't have gone with
that name.
It was difficult getting anemail, but yeah, it's Living the
Dream.
No G again, podcast24 atgmail.com.
Drop me a drop me an email ifyou want to be on the show.
(45:15):
I'd love to have you.
SPEAKER_01 (45:16):
And so we'll put all those links in the show notes
below uh for everybody.
So all right, man.
Well, appreciate your time.
Thanks for being here, and itwas a good conversation.
I really enjoyed it.
Absolutely, yeah, me as well.
Thank you, sir.
So for Mr.
DeWitt, uh, this is ScottTownsend.
Thanks for listening to theScott Townsend Show.
(45:36):
Have a great day.
Everything's gonna be all right,and we'll talk to you later.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:07):
So here I am today with uh Sam DeWitt.
Thanks for joining us, Sam.
Sam's a mechanic, turnpodcaster.
Probably still a mechanic,right?
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (00:18):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (00:20):
Uh so thanks for joining the show.
Uh, we'll start off with uh myusual question what'd you have
for breakfast this morning?
SPEAKER_03 (00:27):
Uh I have not had breakfast this morning.
And um sadly, the on-call phoneis ringing, so hold please.
Of course.
SPEAKER_01 (00:40):
Oh, the on call.
He must be on call.
SPEAKER_03 (00:44):
And of course it's a spam call.
What the crap! Of course it's afreaking spam call.
SPEAKER_01 (00:54):
Yeah.
I apologize.
So no breakfast this morning.
SPEAKER_03 (00:57):
No, sir.
No breakfast this morning.
I I I rolled out of bed and uh,well, I had a Dr.
Pepper for breakfast.
This would be number two.
SPEAKER_01 (01:06):
Well, so yeah, uh a good friend of mine, uh Glenn
Hall, uh reached out, said Ishould uh get in touch with you.
You know, Glenn, I've been intouch with Glenn.
Yes.
Um, and so based on Glenn'srecommendation, I reached out
and uh thought it it would befun to have you on the show and
talk about uh the blue collaraspect of podcasting and kind of
(01:29):
what you're doing in that uhniche, so to speak.
Yep.
Um let's start off with uh, youknow, so what's inspired you to
start?
And I should mention, by theway, that your podcast, uh the
Livin' the Dream podcast, livingL-I-V-I-N.
That's right, the podcast, theuh the the dream podcast.
(01:51):
How'd you get started?
SPEAKER_03 (01:52):
So it was me and two other guys.
We had kind of joked about wewere gonna start a podcast, and
it was uh basically it was drunkthoughts, and uh we were like,
we should start a podcast, andthen it kind of it went to the
wayside for a while, and then uhJosiah had come up and he's
like, you know what?
He goes, Let's actually do this.
(02:14):
So he went and bought a littlemicrophone, and our first
episode, and it's titled TheBeginning, is atrocious as far
as audio quality goes, becauseit was one microphone on a
dining room table, and all ofthe echo feedback and audio.
But um gotta start somewhere,yeah, yeah.
So we've uh and it was just amatter of we were just talking
(02:37):
about because it was threedifferent people from three
different uh uh areas of work.
Uh Joe was is a uh journeymanplumber, now a contract plumber.
Uh Tegan is a heavy equipmentmechanic, and then I'm a um CNC
technician is my primary talent.
(02:58):
So what's CNC?
Computer numerically controlled.
So it's uh lathes, mills,routers, lasers, oh okay.
Um robots, any anything alongthat realm.
SPEAKER_01 (03:10):
That's cool.
SPEAKER_03 (03:11):
I can probably fix it.
That's awesome.
Yeah, or phone a friend thatknows how to fix it.
SPEAKER_01 (03:17):
Yeah.
So you started off with threeguys talking about uh work,
basically.
SPEAKER_03 (03:23):
Basically, your work.
Yeah, it was, you know, it wasour our experiences in work.
Uh, we also had different ageranges.
You know, I was the older one ofthe podcast, they were in their
uh mid-20s, mid to early 20s.
So it was also a different uh,you know, different viewpoint in
the blue collar realm.
You know, it's a differentgeneration.
Uh that their outlook on theblue-collar community, me being
(03:48):
the older one, seeing it as moreof the the rough and tumble, and
you know, I'll I'll beat youinto submission and you're gonna
do the work and it's gonna behard.
And then their generation kindof has some of that, but not as
much.
And so it was it was a goodidea.
We didn't really have any focusor uh didn't really have any
(04:13):
idea what we were trying toaccomplish.
It was more just three guyssitting around, you know,
dumping on about work and justkind of giving our perspective
on things that were going on.
So that was how it started.
I'm trying to refine.
We and why it's just me now iswe ended up moving, so it was a
(04:34):
lot harder for us to gettogether and do it weekly,
right?
Um I've gotten some softwarerecently that allows me to be
able to reach out, like youknow, kind of like you are you
and I are now.
Right as an option, I realized Imight have gone with it, it's
probably cheaper, but I I lovethe Zoom uh format.
SPEAKER_01 (04:58):
Uh been doing it for many years now, the last five
years.
Okay, and uh it just it puts meanywhere, you know.
I uh I've interviewed people inGermany and France and Denmark
and all over the United States,and I can do it right here
sitting, you know.
That's fantastic.
(05:19):
Yeah, and uh so it's been a lotof fun.
So would you say that your uh uhup up to now your your focus now
is still blue-collar focus, yourpodcast?
SPEAKER_03 (05:33):
So so the podcast is still oriented around evolved.
It it's so it's still orientedaround the blue-collar
community, uh, because it's whatI know.
But it's kind of grown into moreof interviews and trying to get
people that are in differenttrades, different realms, and
(05:54):
you know, talk to them about thestruggles that they have, uh,
leadership things, uh, growth.
Uh some of the podcasts thatI've done that were just me were
talking about my careerdevelopment, uh, where how I
came from an a mechanic to themaster mechanic to trying to
(06:16):
train myself and grow into aleadership role.
So it's just kind of one ofthose, it's it's I guess
blue-collar evolution is what itturned out to be.
Uh the the name Live in theDream, honestly, the reason we
went with it and we had no ideathat there were so many other
live in the dreams out.
We might have chosen differentlyhad we known, but because it's
(06:40):
hell, it's it's been difficultwith visibility.
So um, but we chose it becauseyou walk up to somebody and
you're like, Hey man, how youdoing?
And their response is live inthe dream.
Like, oh, funny, you should saythat.
I have a podcast that talksabout just that.
So it was kind of an icebreakerand an easy social, you know,
interaction.
(07:00):
Uh like I had a previouspodcast.
This the last one I put out wasyou know, social networking or
uh networking, it's not justsocial media.
So the the the live in the dreamtitle itself is an icebreaker.
So that was that was kind of thereason behind the the the naming
of the podcast.
And you know, we didn't wedidn't do any research as to
(07:22):
marketability or any of thatstuff.
SPEAKER_01 (07:25):
You just launched off and did it.
SPEAKER_03 (07:27):
Yeah, we just dove in and rolled with it.
And we're we're about a we're ayear, a little over a year and a
half into it.
I say we're it's me and themouse in my pocket now.
SPEAKER_01 (07:37):
So are you glad you started?
SPEAKER_03 (07:41):
I am, I am.
I'm glad that I started.
It's been it's been a lot offun.
Uh I I was a an uh I'm not gonnasay an audio engineer, but I I
ran sound for a church youthgroup for 10 years, I think it
was, and I really enjoyed thataspect, the mixing of it, and
and that was all live.
(08:02):
So there was there was littleopportunity for screw-ups and
stuff like that.
So uh that I and I enjoyed thataspect of it, and I hadn't done
it in a long time.
And uh so I'm I'm really pickyabout sound quality, how good
things sound, how good, youknow, does does the audio link
together, you know, so on and soforth.
(08:23):
So I I try to I I I use this asto kind of scratch that itch.
SPEAKER_01 (08:29):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Who do you think uh when youwhen you're when you're doing
your podcast, who uh who do youenvision?
Who's your ideal listener?
Who's uh who's listening uh onthe other side?
Who do you picture tuning in?
SPEAKER_03 (08:46):
So I honestly it's it's anybody that's touching a
tool.
If if you're if you're wrenchingon something, if you're a
carpenter, if you're if you'reoperating a crane, it it doesn't
matter.
If you if you're going to workclean and coming home dirty, I'd
love, you know, I I would lovefor them to be on the other side
of the other side of thecomputer screen.
(09:08):
And uh, you know, and and theyoung guys, you know, I a lot of
my audience is the 25 to 30range.
And so that's kind of where I'veI've tried to throw in some of
the learning aspect of itbecause you know you get into
the blue-collar trade and you'relike, oh, I want to be CEO.
Whoa, there killer.
(09:30):
You gotta, you know, there'ssome steps you gotta go through,
and you can be that way, right?
But there's an there's anotheruh oh, I can't remember the name
right offhand, but uh bluecollar BS, we'll name drop them.
They they had a guy on therethat he started off as a helper
and is now the CEO of a majorpipeline company.
(09:53):
So, you know, I mean it's it'sit's stories like that that I
want to share that, you know, ifyou really dive in, put in the
work and the effort, you can youcan do anything, but you're not
gonna be given it, especiallythe collar community.
You're not gonna get handed acareer, you've got to earn the
skills and and the effort has tobe put in to get there.
SPEAKER_01 (10:15):
What's your uh biggest surprise so far in
starting your podcast?
SPEAKER_03 (10:20):
Looking back on it, the amount of time that it that
it involves.
SPEAKER_01 (10:27):
Yeah, people don't realize how much time it really
takes.
SPEAKER_03 (10:29):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (10:30):
No idea.
SPEAKER_03 (10:31):
The the recording, the recording is the easy part
because I'm good at talking, Idon't have a problem with that.
It's the the editing andscrutinizing and making sure
that you know you're putting outthe best the best level product
that you can, and that takestime.
I but but there are there aresoftwares out there.
I've got on the shirt here atRiverside.
(10:54):
I found them recently, and arethey helpful?
So, you know, for anyone outthere wanting to start a
podcast, it is it so I guess mything is there's always the
statement you've got to spendmoney to make money.
And I mean, obviously, I havenot hit the make money part yet,
but neither have I.
(11:15):
Right, but I've met someincredible people.
Um, and but you know, if youwant to put out a quality
product, you're gonna have toput some money into it.
And the uh Riverside, I thinkit's I think it was like I think
it's like$39 a month orsomething like that.
But it does so much of theediting and makes the editing so
(11:38):
much simpler.
And you can go you can gothrough and um refine it and
make little changes, and uh youcan yeah, I mean you can full on
edit it if you want to, but theyhave the ability to kind of chop
out some of the ums and ahs, andthey can uh because I have a lot
(12:01):
of those.
Yeah, we all do.
But you can the silent momentsand stuff like that, it keeps
the it keeps the podcast flowingmore because if you have a lot
of dead air or something likethat, and then you end up with
moments like that, then you knowpeople lose interest.
So right.
(12:22):
I'd say the hardest thing abouta podcast is keeping someone's
attention.
SPEAKER_01 (12:26):
Yeah, that's true.
That's very true.
I uh the uh time um yeah, I th II think the rule of thumb is for
every hour, for every hour ittakes three to four hours.
I'd say that's pretty accurateto edit uh audio, yeah.
(12:46):
And if it's video, it's like forevery hour, it's four to five
hours.
I can't, I'm I'm I'm close.
Uh I could be getting thatwrong, but it that's close, and
I believe it.
SPEAKER_03 (12:58):
I I would say with my experience, you're accurate.
SPEAKER_01 (13:01):
You know, so if you do an hour podcast, if you do an
hour interview, and then you goback and you listen to it once
just to get a feel for whathappened, right?
Then you go back and you arelooking for the main theme or
what's really being said here,and what can be cut out, that's
(13:22):
another hour at least.
Then you go back and listen toit again to make sure it all
sounds right, and then you heara mistake or something that you
forgot to take out or you leftin.
Yep.
So, you know, and then by thetime you uh upload it and create
a thumbnail and get yourdescriptions and transcripts and
(13:43):
chapters and all that stuff,yeah, you're you're way into it,
you know.
Yeah, yeah.
It's it's it's gotta besomething you really enjoy
doing, which I I do, thankgoodness.
But uh, I don't think peopleappreciate uh how much time it
it takes to do one.
SPEAKER_03 (13:58):
Oh, absolutely, yeah.
It well, when I first startedinto this, I didn't I I had no
concept, never really thoughtabout it.
And then going through andediting even that first podcast
was uh I think I probably hadsix, seven hours into it because
I was really trying to likescrutinize it and make it, you
know, the best thing ever.
(14:18):
Right.
So if going back and listeningto it now, it hurts my heart.
I mean, from then to now is isis night and day different,
right?
SPEAKER_01 (14:31):
And then but you just get better at what you do
as you as you practice it overtime, and so you've always got
to start off sucking, yeah.
You know, Pixar Pixar says thatwhen they start their movies,
they always start off with thesuck, you know, it just sucks.
Yeah, but you keep working on itand refine it, and and you get
it from a monster's ink whenit's just horrible, but you
(14:54):
gotta be okay with it beinghorrible because you gotta start
somewhere, yeah.
It's always gonna start thatway.
SPEAKER_03 (14:58):
Well, and a lot of the things like I've I've
watched the unsubscribedpodcast, and some of the things
that they've talked about onlike their journey is is you
know, it's when you first startout, even with the YouTube like
uh Matt Carricker's one, thatjust quantity.
It's not it's not about quality,it's getting out there, getting
(15:20):
your name out there, and andconsistency, quality, and or no
quantity and consistency, andthe quality will come later.
SPEAKER_01 (15:27):
Yeah.
And consistency is the onethat's hard for me.
I mean, I try to I've tried tohit the one week mark, and I
just, you know, for I mean, Iit's a hit or miss kind of a
thing.
Um, and I've been pretty good atit, but then I I I just find
that to be actually I find thatto be surprisingly for me,
(15:49):
that's the most challengingaspect of podcasting is the
consistency because you have tohave consistency to build an
audience.
Because, you know, like ifyou're watching TV when up, we
were growing up, you know, ifyou had uh I'm gonna date myself
here, but Hawaii 5 0, you know,comes on at uh eight o'clock on
Wednesday night.
(16:10):
Right.
Well, if they if they miss thateight o'clock slot and you tune
in and it's not there, thenyou're gonna flip the channel
something else.
Right.
So you always have to be thereat the same bat channel, same
bat time, and let people uh getused to that that time slot or
(16:30):
at least that day, you know, sothey can anticipate and tell
other people about it.
But if you're if but if you ifyou're not there, this is I'm
always kicking myself in thebutt.
If you're not there and theytune in or they expect to see
something or hear something andyou're not there, right?
So then you but then you getguys like uh Dan Carlin uh
(16:55):
history.
Um come on, uh history.
Um the not the history channel,it's uh hardcore history.
Okay, and he's got one of thebest podcasts.
Everybody will say he is his isone of the best podcasts ever.
Okay, but he only posts likeonce every three months or so,
(17:18):
or maybe it's four.
Yeah, because he does so muchresearch into his his historical
story, right?
And it just takes a long timefor him to get one out.
But when he gets one out, it's ahome run every time.
Yeah, so you got that end of it,you know.
And uh, but anyway, yeah.
So uh what were we talkingabout?
SPEAKER_03 (17:38):
I've got I don't know, we rabbit trailed, but
that's and that's that's that'smy podcast entire entirety is we
start off on one topic and thenwe'll rabbit trail and we'll
come back and then we rabbittrail and then we come back.
Um we there for a while we had awe had a saying, uh it was a
beer thought, because you know,if you if you came up with
something just a squirrelmoment, it was a beer thought.
SPEAKER_01 (18:00):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (18:01):
So we uh but the there's there's all kinds of
other there's a lot of podcaststhat have been an inspiration
that they're not even weekly,they're they're a monthly
podcast, and you know, it'sstuff like that that which would
be great.
And and it I I made it I thinkeight months where we were
(18:22):
posting cons consistently everyweek, Thursday at 5 a.m.
And uh, and then I moved and Ithink I went I went radio silent
for like three or four months,yeah.
And and it was just it, youknow, it was hard to get back
into it.
It was one of those deals, it'slike, do I want to continue this
(18:43):
on because it's just gonna beme?
Um and you know, it there was athere was a figuring out is you
know, is Living the Dream deador is it gonna continue on?
And so I finally said, forgetit, I'm gonna go into it
wholehearted, bought studiolighting, bought uh upgraded
(19:04):
soundboard.
Uh yeah, I've I've invested uhquite a bit more into it, and
and it seems to it seems to begetting some attention and some
growth.
And uh, you know, I have I havemy tens of listeners that come
in and on the week on theweekly.
SPEAKER_01 (19:20):
And right.
Hey, that's that's awesome.
If you got tens, you've got agreat podcast.
Yeah.
There's nothing to sneeze outthere.
SPEAKER_03 (19:29):
Well, and one of the great things that's been that
I've benefited from this was uhI have a half brother that lives
in Kentucky, and the podcaststarted and we hadn't spoken and
not because of anything bad, butjust because there's a there's a
big age difference between usand he I think the last time we
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had talked, he was seven.
So, you know, I was I think I'm10 years old.
No, like 15 years older thanhim.
Um so but we hadn't reallyspoken a whole lot.
Well, he saw the podcast or hiswife saw the podcast on social
media and he reached out to mebut through because of the
(20:14):
podcast.
So we've and we've talked everyday since then.
So that was one of those thingsI'm like, if I if I didn't get
anything else from the podcast,that was cool to me.
SPEAKER_01 (20:24):
Right, that's awesome.
What uh you know when uh I'm aI'm a huge podcast listener.
I mean, I consume a lot ofpodcasts.
What do you listen to?
What do you what do you likelistening to, or would you
recommend so besides Living theDream?
SPEAKER_03 (20:42):
Right, yeah.
Obviously, we'll recommendLiving the Dream.
Uh the Scott Townsend show.
Scott Townsend show.
Um, so the blue collar BSpodcast, that's a new addition
to the the rotation.
Uh The Briefing by AlbertMoeller.
I listened to that one.
He's he's a daily podcast uhpodcaster, and he's always got
(21:05):
it's uh uh news and events froma Christian worldview.
So yeah, I what's it called?
The briefing?
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (21:13):
I think I know that one.
SPEAKER_03 (21:14):
Yeah, it is.
SPEAKER_01 (21:16):
My brother told me about that one.
SPEAKER_03 (21:17):
It's a really good, it's a really good podcast.
It it gives you the news and Imean it gives you the news and
events from a Christianworldview.
Yeah, and it's it's just areally good source of news in
that respect.
And it's just 30 minutes orwhatever, so that's usually my
that's my end-to-work podcastthat I listen to.
(21:38):
Oh, yeah, okay.
Um let's see.
The Daily Wire.
I listen to, you know, Ben BenShapiro, Matt Walsh, uh what's
the other?
I I used to listen to anotherone and I can't remember his
name right now, so forgive me onthat one.
But and then there's uh SmarterEveryday, the a uh No Dumb
(22:03):
Questions, that's what it is.
Their their podcast is No DumbQuestions, and that one is a
great one too, because that's uhDustin Sadlin, he does Smarter
Everyday on YouTube, uh which Ihave I have an engineering
background, and so I'm I'm a bitI'm a bit white collar and a bit
(22:25):
blue-collar, so it kind of goesboth ways.
SPEAKER_01 (22:30):
I got no stupid questions on my rotation.
SPEAKER_03 (22:33):
No stupid questions?
SPEAKER_01 (22:35):
Yeah, by uh what is this?
Uh hosted by oh Angela Duckworthand Mike Megan.
Megan.
Okay, so it's not the samething.
Yeah.
But it's probably similar.
(22:55):
Okay.
Yeah, that's cool.
SPEAKER_03 (22:57):
And then you've got, let's see, uh then Mike Rose.
I listen to his sometimes.
Uh he's well, he's kind of a hewas kind of a big inspiration
for all this too.
Is that was kind of I think ourthoughts on this is it's the
audio.
It was originally it wasintended to just be like the
audio version of dirty jobs, andwe just talked about the
(23:17):
blue-collar jobs, and then we'vemoved into video and so on and
so forth.
But right, you know, Mike Rowe,if you if you want to hit us up,
uh I wouldn't be sad.
As a matter of fact, I'dprobably pass out.
SPEAKER_01 (23:30):
But what's the biggest thing you've learned
about yourself on this uh year,year and a half uh podcasting
journey, blue collar podcastingjourney?
SPEAKER_03 (23:42):
I I've learned that well, one that this can be a big
uh tool for almost a journalingaspect of you know being able
to, this is where I'm at in mylife.
And that's one of the thingsthat has helped.
I I've also learned that I'm notas good a speaker as I thought I
(24:04):
was when I started this.
Sometimes it's uh it's it'srough listening to the
recording.
I'm going, oh Lord, that wasterrible.
SPEAKER_02 (24:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (24:14):
But we I'd say the biggest takeaway from this year
was learning that the like wewere talking about, the
consistency is is very difficultto do.
And we've you know, it this ispodcasting is a labor of love.
(24:37):
If you don't have an alreadywell-known name, this is a labor
of love.
SPEAKER_01 (24:43):
Yeah.
And when you're consistent, whenyou when you when when you uh
show up show up week in, weekout, or every two weeks,
whatever, you just gotta be okaywith sometimes it's just not
gonna go well.
Yeah, you know, you do yourbest, but sometimes, but you
can't let that slow you down,you know.
You just gotta you gotta stay onyour game and and keep doing it,
(25:07):
uh and it gets better.
And but then some weeks it'sjust gonna bomb and and I keep
reminding me myself that becauseif I think about that, I let it
slow me down.
But yeah, uh, I have a lot of alot of great episodes out there,
but I've also got some ones thatI just but you that's what you
gotta do, man.
You know, yeah, not everyone canbe uh a winner, I guess.
(25:33):
Yeah, whatever the winner is.
SPEAKER_03 (25:35):
Not all gonna be a rock star.
Yeah, I uh another thing Ilearned is just quit looking at
the analytics, just go, justjust put it out there.
If it's something, if thecontent you're if you're
passionate about the content,just put it out there.
SPEAKER_01 (25:49):
Right.
That's that's really goodadvice.
SPEAKER_03 (25:52):
So it's you know, it's it's not always about the
numbers.
And and if you're if youcontinue, just I I believe, but
I don't have any proof of thisyet, but I believe that if you
if you stay consistent and youget the content out there, the
numbers will come.
And that's just that's what Ijust keep telling myself.
And and it'll be and and it'sfun.
(26:13):
I enjoy the sitting down here.
I've had some episodes.
I've had my dad on the podcastto where we've talked about his
career.
I have good, I've had co-workersthat uh I've had on here that
we've talked about theircareers.
Uh I've started some controversyon some on uh union versus
non-union, brother.
SPEAKER_02 (26:34):
Oh, great.
SPEAKER_03 (26:36):
You want to stir this pot.
Uh have you an episode on there?
SPEAKER_01 (26:40):
And yeah, I love that.
SPEAKER_03 (26:42):
Yeah, that was probably the biggest on the on
the social media side.
That was probably one of ourbiggest episodes because my
biological father is a retiredunion pipe fitter.
And we had him, that was ourfirst phone-in podcast.
That was another some milestonefor us, yeah.
(27:03):
And uh he was on there andtalked about the you know, his
experience in the union, andgave he gave a really neutral
stance on it, and that wasactually surprising for me
because I figured he was, youknow, pro-union because right
family prior to me has been.
(27:25):
Not that I'm saying I'm notpro-union, I'm just saying I'm
not in a union.
So that but uh so he gave areally neutral stance on it, and
golly did that piss people off.
It was really surprising.
So uh it it's just beeninteresting, the uh the the
(27:47):
interactions and seeing uhseeing the reactions to some of
the content that we've put out.
And that's probably been one ofthe most enjoyable things for me
is I'm kind of I'm a peopleperson, so seeing that reaction
(28:08):
and getting that feedback is isone of the things that I enjoy.
If I can get if I could get morepeople to comment and stuff like
that, that would be a that wouldI think would be fun too.
SPEAKER_01 (28:20):
Be careful what you wish for.
SPEAKER_03 (28:22):
Hey, I love a good keyboard warrior.
Let's go.
SPEAKER_01 (28:26):
Uh what challenges have you faced in getting
started with your podcast?
Uh, you know, like this might bea good chance to encourage other
new creators listening to theshow.
SPEAKER_03 (28:38):
Um well, moving out here, internet.
Holy crap.
Finding quality internet becauseI'm not close enough to town to
get good internet.
So I'm on uh I have uh I'mtrying to think of what it is.
So it's station, it's stationarywireless, so it's a radio
(29:00):
transmitter that bounces off abig tower.
And I was real close to going toStarlink because it was getting
inconsistent and it neverfailed.
They were down or doing repairswhen I'm trying to upload.
So man, that's been that's beenmy biggest hurdle is just being
(29:23):
able to stink and upload.
Um, so but they're running fiberoptic in front of my house right
now, so right.
I am excited.
So internet will not be a hurdleany longer.
SPEAKER_01 (29:39):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Fiber optics.
So, you know, how do you uh livein the dream?
How do you know if it has beenor will be successful?
What's the metric?
What what or you know, is thereis there a metric?
Uh uh
SPEAKER_03 (30:00):
I'll I'll be honest with you that this started off
as no expectations for thepodcast whatsoever.
It was it was intended for threefriends sitting around and
discussing and maybe just justsharing a little bit of
knowledge and maybe talkingabout some perspectives in the
blue-collar community that otherpeople don't talk about.
(30:23):
Um the toll it takes on yourbody.
Like, yeah, in the in the the inthe community, yeah, we're
always like, oh, my back hurts,my knees are gone, my shoulders,
toes, blah, blah, blah.
You know, that's something thatwe don't talk about.
We also don't talk about some ofthe emotional strain that it
that that our careers put on ourfamilies.
(30:45):
Uh, that's a lot of things thatthat nobody really talks about
in the blue-collar communitybecause it's just we're out here
making money.
Sometimes out here making moneyis 16, 18 hour days.
SPEAKER_02 (30:55):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (30:56):
And that puts that puts a strain on a family.
So, you know, it's it's stufflike that we've talked about.
It's it's that sounds like agood topic.
No, it sounds like yeah, that'sactually that's that that may be
um maybe one in the nextepisodes.
Yeah.
Uh and what's funny is is I haveI have a wife that is in the
Luke Aller community as well.
(31:16):
She's uh maintenance technicianfor a local company.
Oh, okay.
So uh so we've got we've got twoperspectives, which I'm gonna go
ahead and we'll we'll tease thisone.
That I think we're either gonnado a segment to where it's maybe
once a month that her and I doan episode together and kind of
talk about women in theblue-collar world.
(31:39):
Um because that's becoming moreand more of a thing.
SPEAKER_01 (31:42):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (31:43):
Uh my daughter is in automotive vote right now, so
she's moving into a quoteunquote man's field.
And so that's a coming episodeor segment or maybe a separate
podcast.
I don't know just yet.
It all depends on how it goes.
It'll probably just be a segmenton Living the Dream moving
(32:05):
forward.
Right.
Until if it if it really takesoff, then maybe it'll become its
own thing.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (32:11):
The listeners.
I think the the whole subject ofuh blue collar uh is interesting
because colleges are just notcutting it uh anymore, and they
haven't for quite a while, andso uh they're they're cranking
out these students than theyhave anything.
SPEAKER_03 (32:30):
Uh huh.
They've become more of anindoctrination camp than they
have an education specifically,right?
SPEAKER_01 (32:34):
And then they turn these kids loose with uh debt up
to their eye up to theireyeballs in debt, and then they
can't uh you know get a job inthe degree that they majored in,
and and so they're saddled withyou know this debt, and they you
know might even have to declarebankruptcy, but even bankruptcy
doesn't clear you from the uhcollege debt.
(32:56):
So they're just hung out to dryafter this uh four years, six
years, whatever, you know.
The blue-collar work is great.
SPEAKER_03 (33:05):
Yeah, you can go I started in why I stayed in the
blue-collar field because I wentthrough school when I got out of
school.
I couldn't make enough moneywith the degree to pay the
student loan.
So I kept working in thefactories, which is what I did
through college, because I canmake more money.
SPEAKER_01 (33:22):
Yeah.
So there you go.
And then uh, you know, kids, Isay kids, uh, I would yeah,
wholeheartedly recommend they goto a vote or something and learn
something, uh some trade of somesort, because you can almost go
to work immediately after you uhI don't do you get a degree or
(33:46):
do you get uh after you getthrough with your training?
SPEAKER_03 (33:48):
Yeah, most of the trade schools actually offer a
job shadowing.
If it's a two-year program, theyoffer a job shadowing for the
first year, and then the secondyear they do job placement.
So if you're top of your class,then they will help you find a
job.
SPEAKER_01 (34:03):
Yeah, so that's just amazing.
And I got a a friend of mine,he's 22 years old, and he's
studying to be a lineman and uhclimbing poles and uh you know,
doing all that kind of stuff,and he's absolutely loving it
and driving those big rigs, andyeah, uh it's he's setting up,
(34:23):
he's he's getting set up.
I mean, that he he's uh alreadygot an internship lined out, and
then uh when they get through,when he gets through with that,
he'll be knocking down somepretty big bucks.
Oh, yeah.
And then uh, so I just I I meana good electrician, go try to
find one, you know, a plumber,uh Finnish carpenter.
(34:46):
Uh you hear roofer, you hearhorror stories of people trying
to find someone to come fixsomething, but you can't get
anybody because they're allbooked up and there's nobody
else to do it, and you have towait six months to get them to
come to your place.
Yep, there's a huge market forit.
So I'm all in, I'm I'm boughtin.
SPEAKER_03 (35:05):
Yeah, the the the that was another thing too, is
is we, you know, we were tryingto talk about some of the the
benefits of the blue collarcommunity because I had the two
other younger generation, the 20somethings that were coming into
the blue-collar community.
So it was, you know, we werealso trying to promote the
blue-collar community becausethere's there's a there's a job
(35:28):
shortage, or there's a there'snot a job shortage, there's a
demand for the jobs, there'sjust not enough people to fill
those jobs, right?
SPEAKER_02 (35:36):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (35:36):
But I really feel like that the Gen Z, like that
aspect of it is fixing to shifta lot of that.
There's there's been enough ofthe millennials and stuff like
that that have pushed for the umpushed for the blue-collar
growth for the trades that we'relike going, hey, there's people
(36:01):
are retiring, and we don't havepeople, we don't have people to
fill it.
So so we've we we've seen it andlived it.
SPEAKER_01 (36:09):
People are scared, running scared right now about
AI and AI taking jobs and uhHollywood, the creators, the
writers, uh, they're all and itmay be rightfully so because
it's doing a pretty good job ofcoming up with stuff, and so who
knows how that's gonna happen.
SPEAKER_03 (36:26):
But something they've been putting out lately.
Uh, I think AI could have donebetter anyhow.
SPEAKER_01 (36:33):
But I think uh I don't see AI coming fixing your
electric.
I don't see AI fixing yourtoilet or installing uh
whatever, you know.
Yeah, um, I think that's prettygood security for a while.
Uh when everybody else isrunning scared from this new AI
stuff, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (36:54):
Uh I think anybody into the blue collar community,
AI can't touch us.
SPEAKER_01 (37:00):
Yeah, it's not gonna get dirty.
And you know, you gotta yougotta love getting dirty and
stuff, but you also gotta lovemaking money because you will be
making money getting dirty, youknow.
So I would have a problem withthat.
SPEAKER_03 (37:12):
If you look at it in just the comparison, like we
were talking about, you know,you come out of college with a
degree and you're saddled withall of this debt.
So the average college studentcomes out with somewhere to
$30,000,$40,000 worth of debt.
At least.
And then, and yeah, like I said,that's average$30,000 to$40,000
in debt.
And then you get your averageblue-collar guy, you can go to
Votec, uh, you could go to likeOSU Oakmogey or something like
(37:34):
that, not sponsored, but herethey go.
And you come out of there with$20,000,$25,000 in debt, but
you're gonna be making$60,000,$70,000 a year, and it's not
gonna be hard to pay that off,especially because you're just
starting out, you don't have awhole lot of other debt.
So you pay that sucker off, andthen five years from now, you've
got a solid career that's notgonna go anywhere, and you don't
(37:57):
have debt.
SPEAKER_01 (37:58):
And you could be having your own business, people
working for you, apprenticingunder you.
Oh, yeah, you know, just you canmake it as much as you make it
as big as you want to make it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (38:09):
My daughter asked me when she was when she had taught
uh thought about going into thethe automotive vote.
She asked me, she goes, What doyou think about it?
I said, You'll never be withouta job.
SPEAKER_01 (38:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (38:17):
And I mean, and that that's that's the truth because
whether you're working for acompany or for yourself, you'll
always be able to have income.
So I was like, I'm 100% for it.
I actually have told both of mykids, I've got an older uh son
that he's turning 21 this year.
Holy cow.
Um he's uh I told both of them II will 100% support you and
(38:44):
would happily pay for your tradeschool.
I won't pay for college.
So uh that's that's just me andand my perspective on it.
So but I because I because Ibelieve that you know you can
get your degree in underwaterbasket weaving and have sixty
thousand dollars in debt, or youcan have twenty and have a
career that'll last a lifetime.
SPEAKER_01 (39:06):
Right.
Have you ever heard of Ken Rusk?
I have not.
So I found out about Ken throughuh I can't remember how how that
came up.
But anyway, so he wrote thisbook, uh Blue Collar Cash.
(39:28):
Oh, okay.
Yeah, he's uh ditch digger.
He was originally a ditchdigger, now he owns uh several
several companies worth millionsof dollars, and he's all about
uh vote, he's all about the bluecollar.
Um it's a it's a great uh read.
(39:50):
I've had him on twice on theshow, and he's up in Minnesota
or something like that.
But uh anyway, he's super big onblue collar and uh helping
people uh reach their dreamsthrough blue collar work,
whether it's through his companyor just you know trying to help
a kid get a leg up on the in theworld.
(40:12):
Yeah, so I'd recommend readingblue collar cash, it's uh he's
got a good take on it.
SPEAKER_03 (40:17):
Yeah, well, I'll definitely have to check that
out.
Maybe we'll do some exchangingof contact information because I
think that would be great tohave him on the show.
Sure.
SPEAKER_01 (40:25):
You know, if someone listening wanted to start their
own podcast, what would you whatadvice would you give them?
How what would you uh tell themto do?
SPEAKER_03 (40:34):
And you don't have to have with the cell phones
that we have nowadays, you don'thave to have this, you don't
have to have this, you don'thave to have the camera that I'm
staring at, you don't have tohave any of that stuff.
This is this is the day and ageif you want to have a podcast,
you've got you you have anentire studio right here in your
(40:55):
hand all day.
You can which is pretty amazing.
You can do the editing, you cando everything on this device.
So, and it's it's astonishing.
I don't have the skill set to doit on that.
That's why I have the mixer, themicrophone, right?
SPEAKER_01 (41:12):
Well, you have experience with it, right?
SPEAKER_03 (41:14):
And so that's you know, that's the way I know how
to do it, but with you know,don't don't hesitate, man.
Just get out there, put yourairpods in, and you've got
you've got a microphone and acamera right there in front of
you.
You can have your own podcast.
SPEAKER_01 (41:29):
Yeah, the entry to the barrier to entry is
non-existent anymore.
SPEAKER_03 (41:34):
Yeah, there's no there's no nothing is stopping
you except for yourself.
SPEAKER_01 (41:38):
Right.
Well, any last words, anythoughts on uh your podcast, uh
your podcast journey?
Uh what are you looking forwardto?
What's what's coming up?
You mentioned you and your wifeand your daughter maybe doing
some shows.
SPEAKER_03 (41:55):
Um so I you know, I just I'm excited about the the
podcast in the future for forLiving the Dream.
Uh, you know, it's it's also ithas it has promoted a lot of
connections like with withfinding Scott here.
And uh I just I look forward toto where it goes from here.
(42:18):
It's really kind of finallystarted to get some traction, I
feel like, and you know, peopleare noticing and wanting to be a
part of it.
Um so you know, just just staytuned because I I think I if I
can get my consistency straight,then I I think there'll be some
I think there'll be some bigsome big changes and uh some
(42:40):
some good growth coming down thepipe.
SPEAKER_01 (42:43):
You know, back to consistency just for a second.
You know, I you think well I'lljust do it once a week, and that
doesn't sound like a hard thingto do.
Yeah, that's tough.
I'm gonna tell you right now,for those of you starting out
thinking you're gonna start apodcast, a weekly podcast.
All right, okay, I'm with you.
But just know that's a lotharder than it sounds.
Yeah, you might want to go forevery two weeks, you know, or
(43:06):
yeah, maybe once a month, andtry that out and then bump it up
if you're feeling froggy, youknow.
SPEAKER_03 (43:12):
Just uh, but yeah, yeah, working working 60 to 80
hours a week and trying to uhedit a podcast and record a
podcast has proved to be verychallenging.
SPEAKER_01 (43:26):
Oh man, to say the least.
Well, for those who areinterested in getting in touch
with you, uh how do they howwhere do they go to find out
about you and your podcast?
SPEAKER_03 (43:36):
So we're on YouTube as Living the Dream.
You've got to look for the gottahave to look for the logo.
Um, it's uh we're on YouTube,we're on Facebook, we're on
Patreon.
That's where you get all of thebehind the scenes and the good
juicy little nuggets that may beaired publicly.
Um that way if you're paying forit, you can't blame me for it.
(43:57):
So um, let's see.
So I got Facebook, YouTube,we're on Spotify, Apple Podcast,
uh Spotify.
We also do the video, uh, we dovideo and an audio upload, or I
think it's it's a video uploadon Spotify as well, because they
just started doing thatrecently.
Um but yeah, look us up.
(44:19):
We're on LinkedIn as well.
That was uh that was how I founda lot of my guests.
So uh so yeah, look us upeverywhere.
It's living the dream, it's nog, just living, you know.
Um, I wish I would I wish Icould remember the actor's name,
but that was that's one of thethings that I've I wanted to do
a sound bite where he does thatL-I-V-I-N, baby.
SPEAKER_01 (44:42):
Sounds like Matthew McConaughey.
SPEAKER_03 (44:44):
That that's probably it.
That's it.
I think that's that's who it is.
SPEAKER_01 (44:48):
So all right.
So your email address, livingthe dream24 at gmail.com.
SPEAKER_03 (44:55):
It's live living the dream podcast24 at gmail.com
because uh you know, like Isaid, uh had we done some market
research on Living the Dream, weprobably wouldn't have gone with
that name.
It was difficult getting anemail, but yeah, it's Living the
Dream.
No G again, podcast24 atgmail.com.
Drop me a drop me an email ifyou want to be on the show.
(45:15):
I'd love to have you.
SPEAKER_01 (45:16):
And so we'll put all those links in the show notes
below uh for everybody.
So all right, man.
Well, appreciate your time.
Thanks for being here, and itwas a good conversation.
I really enjoyed it.
Absolutely, yeah, me as well.
Thank you, sir.
So for Mr.
DeWitt, uh, this is ScottTownsend.
Thanks for listening to theScott Townsend Show.
(45:36):
Have a great day.
Everything's gonna be all right,and we'll talk to you later.
SPEAKER_00 (45:42):
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