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It's the Classic Gardens and Landscape Showon the hand, Ready and when you
want show up Plants and Grass togrow? Two and docent Chris, Chris
and Chris No. Chris knows it, Chris knows it. Chris knows it.
Chris knows it. Chris knows it. Chris knows it. Chris knows

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it. Chris knows it. Andnow you're a host. Chris Joyner and
Chris King here goring to welcome theClassic Arts the Landscape Show. W E
R C. I'm Chris King,I'm Chris Joyner, and I'll tell you
what. I'm ready for my plantsand grass to grow? Baby. You
know what, We're not far awaythat, uh. I mean we were

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at we were at the Niche ShawlsMonday and I saw a daf dylan bloom.
How about that? You know?And it was so the other sucked.
So I guess it's about Mike's birthdaythen, right, That's how I
always. I don't know the exactdate, but I do know that when
the daffodils start blooming, that's usuallythat's Mike's birthday. Mike's birthday is on
February nineteenth. Guess I see I'mnot that far off. I knew it

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was coming around most of the time. By Mike's birthday, all the daffodils
are blooming. Yeah what I'm saying, So we got that all the harvingers
of spring are you know, aboutto show especially you know, look today
at sixty seven degrees you know fora high yeah, and sunny, you
know, and tomorrow is supposed tobe you know, kind of a raw

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day, you know, forty sixI'm not even thinking about it tomorrow.
And then right after that it's gonnabe you know, sixty like all week
the next week and dry. Andwhen you start getting those you know,
nighttime temperatures jump back up in theforties and your your highs for you know,
the day or in the mid sixties, you're gonna start seeing the quins

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bloom, and you're gonna start seeingyou know, some of your some of
your harvingures of spring, your daffidiland things like that are gonna start blooming.
When all that stuff starts blooming,that means that crab grass is gonna
start germinating. So you know,we've been just beating our head against the
wall, saying, please, please, please give us a call eight five

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four four thousand and five, anduh, get Chris, come out there
and give me an estimate start treatingyard. Because now if we if we
start treating yard right now, Iguarantee you want have any crab grass.
Sorry, I just I guarantee you. So just come in or just a
you know, call eight five fourfour thousand and five and uh we'll come

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out and give you a prize.Start treating your grass. You don't won't
be long here. We are alreadyinto February. Old whole Field said that
it's gonna be a early spring.The ground hog has spoken, and so
has Chris Joiner. I think Isaid other other the other the other show
was gonna be like, you know, six weeks or so. I think
it's gonna be four weeks. Easternsare Easters March thirty first this year,
so we got a we got agood early easter, early Easter, well

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ash Wednesdays, February sixteenth. Ithink maybe I could be off on that,
but not too far us. Aspring spring is right around the corner.
I had the opportunity to help Anaround the garden center a lot this
week, and we were starting toput together a list of all our tomato
program stuff that we need. Sowe've got to mate in vegetable food in

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and we're just kind of making apunch list of what all we need to
get so it won't belong. I'vegot some friends that were posting on Facebook
already starting seeds inside, like vegetableseeds inside. Everybody's getting ready. You
know what I mean. You get, you get a couple of good,
nice days like we've had, liketoday, fantastic day. Once you finished

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listing to us on the radio show, to get outside and start piddling in
the yard. I mean, goahead, and you know, put put
some shorts on, put a tanktop on, get that base tan going
and clean up the yard. Doa little bit of mowing, pick up
sticks. I took my push mowerthe other day and started going through my
flower beds and chopping up leaves,getting it ready for pine straw. You

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know, I think my buddy Michaelwas out there pressure washing this morning at
daylight. I was looking at myhouse saying, yep, it's about time
to get the whole long telescope andbrush out and scrub the vinyl siding on
the back. It's just, youknow, I love this time of year.
You know, you really just getexcited about getting out and doing things
because man, January can be roughand we'll still have some cold weather,

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Ain't no doubt about it. Butyeah, I mean everybody's tired of being
cooked though, you know. Soyeah, get out and get out and
do something. If you're a doit yourself for getting the garden center Monday
through Friday. Get your product,and I know, you know we're sitting
here. You know, line wassupposed to be put out in December and
most everybody don't do it, youknow, so get out while you're getting

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your pre emergent, you know,get your lime, go ahead and get
your gypsum. We're gonna talk alittle bit about what gypsum does. Basically
what you know, how cold wegot the other day, right like the
ground was froze, Well, thatfreezing and thawing action is kind of what
gypsum chemically does to your to youryard. Most of our soil in the

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Birmingham area is a heavy clay basedsoil and we put gypsum out once a
year too. It's it's basically likeif you took your fists and you watered
it up. Uh, if youapply gypsum to what it does, and
that's that's the heavy clay soil.And then if you apply gypsum to it,

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relaxing that thing and just opens itup and allows all the nutrients and
and you know, the water andeverything to penetrate it better. Plus there's
there's nutrients that are trapped in thesoil that will be released. So you
can literally in the summertime you putgypsum on your grass and a lot of

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times it'll green the grass up withouteven you know, without even putting any
fertilizer on it just basically makes thegrass use what's already there. Gypsum can't
hardly be over applied, So Imean you can put it on your grass
two or three times a year.If you doesn't do correation in the summertime,
we recommend you doing it, youknow again in the summer. But
it's just a good practice to do. A lot of people don't push gypsum

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like we do, but we feellike it's a necessary items you need to
put on your laundry, hey,and your vegetable gardens to keep you help
keep you getting blossomed men rot,you know, which is a calcium deficiency
in your tomatoes. So you know, apply it heavy, do your garden
as well, and you'll you'll you'llbenefit. We use it on everything,

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lawns, shrubs, vegetables, youname it. There's nothing in my yard
that doesn't get gypsum pretty much throughoutthe year. You know, you talk
about that that cold weather, andI after we had that hard freeze our
road, it was like it's sweatedand it's seap water for like two weeks
after that. You know, youcan come home after at the end of

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the day and it was still justsolid wet, and the birds seem to
be a lot happier after that too. It's like, I don't know,
something after a freeze, whatever,whatever happens with the ground that that expansion
of the soil just like brings stuffback to life. Well I think that
with your soil though, and thebirds. What it does is so you
get you get you know, wejust got five inches of rain in two

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days, right, So we gotall that rain, then we got all
that freezing weather, and the poorspace in the in the soil was obviously
full of water. Well then itwas full of ice. So when it
falls, you know, the earthworms come to the top and they gotta
they gotta breathe. They gotta breathe, You're right. So a lot of
times you'll have people call and say, man, I got worms all over

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my driveway, you know, andare like a centipedes and stuff like that.
They they have to get up outof that that soggy soil. Yeah,
especially during the summer, they uh, you know, after we get
heavy, heavy rains, worms willcome out. They'll get on the concrete
and the concrete's one hundred and fiftydegrees and they just they can't They get
burned up and end up dying.They can't get because they can't get back

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to the soil in time. Andso yeah, you'll see earth worms all
over the concrete everywhere, and it'sa shame. That's God's that's God's decomposer
of the ground. But they gottathey gotta come up because of the ground
gets so saturated, they can't theycan't breathe. There's no oxygen down in
there, so they gotta get up. Yeah, well I tell you that
we you know, you're talking aboutkind of preparing for for h for you

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vegetball gardens and stuff and start andsee I know squirrel, he was ah,
he made him some some basically hegot from somebody got about anybody don't
know. I got a buddy namedsquirrel, so uh and squirrel is a
fantastic guy. So anyways, thesquirrel got a piece of pipe that's about
you know, a piece of corrugatedpipe that's slick on the inside. But

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it was about six feet long andhe sawed it into one foot sections and
he's gonna plant his potatoes in that. So he started some potatoes other day
and this it is uh rain,you know, I guess it is.
We just got a sack of potatoesthe other day and I bet there'll be
five or six that's ended up sprouting. And uh that's last year. That's

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what uh my girls and I endedup doing in the spring. We you
know, we had some potatoes thatgot kind of shoved behind a lot of
stuff. And as as I'm cleaningout the kitchen, I look and there's
you know, big long sprouts onthere. I said, girls, it's
like, come on. And Ihad a bunch of old lumber laying around
and some some uh like corrugated tenfrom like like a like a barn roof

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yeah, and we built a raisedflower bit. This was just kind of
a you know, on the fly, on the fly type thing, right,
and so I'm I'm digging, youknow, looking for scrap pieces of
board and stuff like that. Weended up building the raised bed and grew
potatoes last year. The girls hada fantastic time doing it. Well.
I used to tell people how togrow potatoes and tires, yep, but
it kind of sound JANKI you know. I mean, most people don't want

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to stack of tires. But itbetter with a corrugated pipe, I can
promise you. But what you dois you take the one ring. You
know, you start with a onefoot tall ring and you get your old
sea potatoes. Basically, it's betterif you go somewhere like a co op
or something and buy like it's justlike it's just like, uh, you

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want the best, biggest baddest bullyou know, what's the same thing.
You want the biggest baddest potatoes toget the seeds from, you know,
the eyes from to to grow goodpotatoes. So you go like co Oper
somewhere and get some big old whitepotatoes and they look like the biggest bacon
potato, Like Jim and nicks,you know what I'm saying. And you
dig the eyes out of those thingsand you put them in that ring with

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some good soil that they'll spro outand take off and start growing, you
know. And about a month lateryou go in there, those things are
a foot tall. You pinch offall the bottom leaves and that's where that's
a leaf node and it roots fromthere. And then everywhere where you pinch

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those leaves off, you add anotherring. You add some porous material like
wheat straw, or you can adda like some sl like some thick coarse
bark, or just add a lightlayer of that, and add another light
layer of dirt and add a littlebit of pot ash, and add another
add another ring, and you justkeep doing that, and keep doing that,

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and keep doing that to the thingsabout six feet tall. And then
say, you know, June,you want some potatoes, you take off
a ring. You know, youharvest what's there. If you want some
more potatoes, you take out anotherring, and you just keep doing that
and work your way back down there. So that's how you grow potatoes in
the South, That's right, theygrow them. An Idaho used to do

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that, and he'd storm down inthe sit down in the basement he had,
like, uh, I want tofinished basil. It was like a
cross space slash basement and it wasalways cool down there and he heat store
all his all his produce. Startsyour potatoes right now. Yeah, that's
right, that's right, because Istarted mine late last year, and uh,
by the time I was ready tothey were the tops hadn't even died

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off yet, and they weren't evenready to harvest. By the time I
was ready to plant, like allmy you know, vegetable vegetables, my
peppers and tomatoes and all that kindof stuff. I ended up planting all
my all my spring summer vegetables inand amongst all the potatoes, and it
was just kind of a little bitof a cluster. It's there for a
minute, because I think we didthis. We did it in like April
or something, you know what I'msaying. So, uh, it's a

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lot of fun. I've already gotplans to do irrigation and stuff like that
down at the barn. I'm waitingon alve on power to put my power
in. So come on, uh, let's get with it. It's about
squash time, right, Yeah,washing corn. Well, I'm thinking,
you know, all right, soEaster is on the at the end of

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March this year, so I know, at least by the middle of April.
You know, I'm gonna start thatcorn. What my plan is to
get that a whole crop of cornin eight weeks so I don't have to
worry about worms. Yep, youknow, that's that's where I'm at.
I did it in six I didit in six weeks year before last when

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I grew those twelve hundred years Andthat's what I'm gonna be pushing for.
That was a good corner. MyCaroline, my middle daughter again, she
loves corn. She will eat herweight in corn, which much she weighs,
like sixty pounds, But man,she loved that corn that you bought.
The way I've got water line,the way I've got water lines run,
now, I could just about irrigatea half an acre. Yeah,

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I mean, legit, Your momand daddy gonna love you. They're gonna
be down corner all over place.Well, my biggest thing is I gotta
I gotta be more deer conscious atthe house. Yeah, you know,
you know I may be a harvestingdeer. Yeah, all year. So
mister game warning, if you're listening, Uh, it wasn't me. Just

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are alive? Right, yeah said, and throw it out there. I'm
just that excited. We're talking aboutpickleball. That's that's the newest fad,
you know. I mean like oldpeople are going to like the gym again.
And my pickleball. For Claire's birthday, we got our little pickleball in
it. It's one that you packup, you know, and and you
know, poor basically poor Boe.Me and me and one of my good

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friends, Kevin our team and thenClaire and his son Noah are a team.
And uh, if you want totalk about the most competitive kids in
the world I'm talking about there ain'tnobody more competitive than Claire and Noah.
And they hate to lose. They'renot sore losers about it, but they
do not like to lose. Well, Kevin and I are undefeated and we

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have beat them. I don't knowthat just the three times that we played,
and man, me and Kevin givethem heck. We heckle them so
bad the entire the entire game andall of it. It just it makes
them so bad. That's just kindof the that's the rival rivalry that we've
got going on. And Kevin andI are waiting on the day that they
beat us because I think all thatbuilt up anger towards us. You know,

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here, here we are, youknow, here we are at forty
and we're playing against eleven year oldsand giving them hecks. You know in
your face, boy, you won'tserve that bar. You're just gonna sit
there and look at it. Yeahyou're looking at a four foot But they're
good, man, they're they're liketop athletes. I mean, so you

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know here we are, you knowold. Yeah we can we can't sprint
like we used to and move backand forth like, man, what are
you talking about? I was wewere down at uh well, so I
told you we were at the niseShaw's the other day. We had a
couple of jobs. Normally we wouldn'teven do them. I mean, they
would be like smaller than a bitof them, you know what I'm saying.

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One of them was like five blocksfrom the garden center there, so
it's like why not, right,So we did that job and then Denise
Shaw we we went and did somerepairs one day, I think that was
Monday. We had repairs kind ofall over the place. Uh. Sergio
was helping Justin worked on work onthe lamb track get that thing fixed.

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And while he was doing that,me and her orto ran and did some
irrigation repairs, and uh we stoppedby Denise Shaw's. That was the last
stop. We stopped by Denise Shaw'sand she needed bark put out, so
we just stopped by there to seehow much she actually need and all that.
We did her work for. Iguess by about two years ago we

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did a cup. We actually didtwo jobs for. We did her backyard
and then we came back in laterand did her front yard. Denise has
been a customer for as long asI can remember, and uh so normally
it again that would be one ofthose jobs were just too small for us
to do. But we had MissGlover's job to do and we kind of
needed another half a day job kindof thing. So we took on Denise's

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and she just really ain't able toput out that much bark. It was
about the eight or nine yards ofbark. So we went out there and
barked that thing for Denise and madea full day out of it. And
then we were on a mister missNow, mister my As is down in
like ross Bridge area and he weripped out some shrubs in the front yard,
putting new shrubs in. He's onlylived there for a couple of months.

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They had a fabric in the bedsand the Z fifty two. Don't
put fabric in your beds. Imean, just straight up, it doesn't
work. You're wasting your time,enough said, And it deteriorates. The
bark deteriorates on top of the plastic, and then you got dirt on top
of the plastic, and the weedsand grasses grows in the old bark.

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So you're wasting your time. Uh. You know when we go out there
and do a landscape estimate for somebodyand they say, well, ain't you
gonna put plastic in there? No, we never do that because it's wasted
time. So don't need mask.So anyways, mister Mayes. We spent
three quarters of the day removing plasticand an old bark out of his beds

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because you know, there's ten yearsof bark and they barked like twice the
year kind of thing. And hisplants were dying and all that stuff because
you know, he had a footof bark up in the plants. So
we removed all that, you know, all that debris, you know,
all the fabric, everything. Tookall that stuff out of there, which,
let me tell you, that isa job because most of the time
when the plastics put in there,they put it in then they cut holes

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in it and they put the plantsthrough the thing. Well, if you
ever have to remove that stuff,everything's interconnected. It's all intertwined, you
know, so it is a pain. So we got all that stuff out
of there. He had a thisgoofy I don't know why they do this
in some subdivisions, but they putthis goofy little ring, you know,
like peel shaped area in the centerof the driveway, and they try to

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put grass in there. Most ofthe time when they plant it, they
plant it right on top of graveland chirt and everything else, you know,
and then they had no irrigation,and they expect a spot of grass
just to withstand traffic and you know, everything on the man and most of
the time that spot of grass isso shabby it never looks good. So

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it's supposed to be aesthetically pleasing.It's supposed to soften the driveway up,
soften the concrete because you've got grassthere. But no, it doesn't work.
So we unsoftened it and we dugthe thing up and we put pavers
in there. Well, he hadan he can't you know, sometime they
sell you a house saying, oh, this is a two car garage.
Yeah, sure, if you drivetwo prises, you know what I'm saying.

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So his driveway is a little bitnarrow. So we went in there
and extended his driveway with pavers over, you know, and kind of made
a little tear drop shaped edge onthere with pavers. So he's got a
little more room to breathe because ofthe neighborhood is real tight. Both of
the houses are fifteen feet from eachother, and uh so he needed just

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a little more space for, youknow, to pull out of the garage.
So we extended that for him andfixed him up on that and uh
that pretty much finished up the week. We were over at mister Taylor or
mister mssus Taylor's there. We've beenworking on that job for about a month.
Probably would have taken Ricardo about twoweeks at the weather to call cooperated.

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But you know it's like typical Januaryweather, you work two days in
a week plus. When he gotto working on it, we hit rock
in a spot and code says,we got we had to have a rebar
in the footer and we hit rock. So we had a jackhammer for about
a day and a half over there. So it just you know, some
some setbacks on that job or whatever. But anyways, we got that job

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is finally buttoned up and done.We were over there, My crew was
over there yesterday just putting a bowon it, you know, just cleaning
the driveway. We halt about tenpallets of trash and debris and you know,
just odds and end you know,pout parsh pallets of rock and concrete
and everything else. Off the job. Pressure washed the whole driveway. You

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know, there was beds that werethat were uh left kind of unkept looking
or whatever. We went in theresmoothed them all up, put pine straw
over it, and just just tidiedeverything up and put a finishing stamp on
a good a good looking wall jobI got. I got up this morning,
Chris Keith, and my chest andmy arms kind of hurt because I

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actually got the opportunity to go downto mister Misa's job and help you all
with with that. That's when Iwas getting and I unstacked both those palettes
of pavers, and it was alittle sore this morning. We know,
when we're doing that around the edges, I have to literally We've got an
IQ saw, which is basically likea big miter saft that cuts concrete pavers.

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And it's so basically it's like achop saw, you know, but
it's it's made to cut and cutpavers. So I have to hand the
individually cut each little piece that goesaround the edges, uh by hand,
and so basically I have to doa lunge every time I cut a paver.
Well, you know, the timeI go all the way around that

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thing, I probably did five hundredyou know, so up down, up
down, And the next day Ifelt like somebody had just like I'd been
caned, like I like, Imade a trip to Singapore and they just
beat me, you know what Imean. It was rough and I'm just
still getting over there. That's threedays ago. But that turned out project
turned out in ice. And whilewe were there, there was a lawn

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cair customer across the street. Wetreated his yard, and uh we got
to talking with him, and y'allwent in and put pea gravel in that
that little over the spot of hisdriveway because it was the same deal he
had fifty two there. And I'vebeen telling him for years, you know,
that particular section of grass in andamongst the driveway and in the section
along the sidewalk just it's just it'ssolid rock up under there. And I've

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told him for years, you know, listening to you never gonna get grass
to grow here. And I thinkwhen we were talking with it, he
had mentioned the strip of you know, you typically you'll have the road a
strip of grass it's about two feetwide, and then like the community sidewalk,
and he said, you know,is there anything that we can do,
you know, like grass wise whereI don't have to water and it'll

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still look good. And we basicallylike shake our heads, like no you're
just gonna have to get out thereand keep it watered every day or twice
a day if you want nice grassto grow. Because you can take like
a metal rod and and just pokedown in there and just hit solid rock
within a couple of inches, butyou dug it out of the soil.
I dug it out and it's nothing. But just like you know how you

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got uh fifty seven stone, itwasn't it's bigger than this. Yeah,
Like it's almost as big as likea Gabian stone under there, you know.
So I dug out about four orfive inches of that stuff and gave
him a nice layer of pea ground. You know, I wish I could
have wish I would have been thereat a video that and then I could

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send it, because we've got sixor seven customers on that street, and
I think I've had I've met withall of them on the yard and taking
a little small handspade and like youknow, pulled up a piece of grass
and just showed them gravel up underthere so that I could video that and
send to everybody so they can knowexactly what we're dealing with and we still
get good grass to grow in ninetynine percent of the yard. But there's

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you know, when they when theybuild new subdivisions, they come in and
they'll they'll take a load of gravelwhen they when they're doing the site preparation
and dump truckload of gravel and justdump it out in one spot, and
uh, after they're done, youknow, all that gravel basically just gets
distributed across the yard. They justtake a bobcat smooth everything out, along

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with all the leftover brick chips andplywood, words scraps and beer cans and
you know, mountain dew bottles andeverything else. And they'll come in,
you know, on a you know, a couple of thousand of those lots
are probably a total of maybe twothousand square for you know, less than
a quarter acre. They'll bring intolike a tracks a load of top soil

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and dump it and then they'll basicallyspread that out over all the areas where
they're laying grass, not for thepurpose of getting good soil, you know,
to lay the sod on, butbasically just to make it smooth enough
to where they can lay the sod. And and so you're only talking about
like a you know, quarter inchof dirt over over solid rock and then

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unfortunately a lot of times, unlessyou request it, they just come in
with a cheap contractor's grade bermuda andput that old cheap bermuda over the top
of it. And it just,man, it's a nightmare to get grass
to grow and subdivisions like that.And it's one of my things that makes

(28:48):
me the worst because you got likea seven hundred thousand dollars house and you
got like a five hundred dollars landscape, you know what I mean. It's
just I mean, it's like it'shorrible. It's a service in my opinion.
But that's coming from a landscape buyer. It's coming from a grass guy
who likes really really good good turf. But you can tell the difference between

(29:08):
like the people who spent extra moneywhen they were building the house, the
people who spent the extra money todo the prep work on soil and to
get good soys of grass. Becauseevery you know, four or five houses,
you'll have somebody that has just apristine's oisy yard surrounded by you know,
just junkie bermuda. Yeah, makesa difference. Prep work before you

(29:30):
lay sod. It's key. Imean prep work before you do anything,
whether you're doing a pavor patio,whether you're doing a retaining wall, whether
you're laying side. I mean,what you do before you do all that
stuff is determines the success of howit's going to be for sure. Well,
Chris, it's time for another break. Let's go ahead and do that.
Our number if y'all want to giveus a call here on the radio

(29:51):
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five four four thousand and five.That's right, piece of cake. If
your crape myrtles are black right now, that means you need to get some

(31:55):
systemic don't cut the tops off,don't cut the tops off, belt but
serious. Over the past several years, and it got it was it's gotten
so bad that uh. I meanit was just a few months ago one
of the news stations had a putout an article and had like a segment
on crape myrtle bark scale and basicallywhat this is is it's a uh,

(32:16):
it's a it's a type of insect, and it looks like a It looks
like a I mean, just toput it bluntly, it looks like a
white booger. That that is coveringthe trunk and the limbs of crape myrtles,
And people typically don't notice it untilthey start to see the act.
The crape myrtle itself and everything aroundit is like jet black, so it

(32:40):
looks like somebody took a blow torchand just burned everything, you know,
the tree and everything around it.Well, that basically that bark scale attaches
itself to the crpe myrtle and itsucks out all the nutrients and the fluids
out of the crpe myrtle, theSAPs, and as the byproduct, the

(33:04):
scale secretes what's called a honeydew resin, and then on that honeydew resin grows
what's called a black city mold.Well, people see that mold and they
think to themselves, man, Ineed to get out, and I need
to get some fungicide, and Ineed to spray all this stuff to kill
all this mold. But that's notthe problem. The mold doesn't actually do
any damage. It's just an uglyeyesore. The scale insect itself is what's

(33:29):
causing that problem. And you eliminatethe scale, which in turn eliminates that
black city mold. And it's beenI mean it's you can like Center Point
Parkway for example, when you getoff. When you get off and you're
coming towards our garden center Roebuck CenterPoint Parkway, there's a line of crape
myrtles, you know, a coupleof miles long, and over over the

(33:51):
past couple of years you've seen thosethat black and the trees affected with that
crape myrtle scales just slowly, youknow, progressing down through the road of
crape myrtles. And we had aguy yesterday come in right at the last
minute before we close, came infrom Vestavia, and we appreciate, you
know, the long drive. Nowe're not convenient for everybody. But he

(34:13):
came in and got a fertile osystemic insect drench, super simple product to
apply. You basically measure the tree, you calculate how many inches it is
around, and you mix that manyounces in a bucket of water and he
poured around the base It doesn't getany more simple than that, and it

(34:34):
lasts for years, so it's verylong lasting. But if you have that
crape myrtle bark scale, you needto do the systemic insect drench because it's
not going to get better. It'llcontinually get worse. It's not like the
insects are just going to go away. They kind of go into a dormant
period during the winter months as faras you know, egg laying and hatching,
but once we get into spring,that cycle will start back all over

(34:57):
again and again it'll it'll progressively getworse. You can kind of help that
too. This time of year,you know, it's it's still cool.
You know, you can go inthere and really this is for all your
shrubs. If you hadn't done itthere, and if you've never done it
before, you can use a dormitoleand that will also you know, coat
the scale and coat the you know, coat the insects and their eggs with.

(35:19):
Basically, it's it's just a reallyrefined petroleum old just like you put
in your car, but you takeit and you spread on your shrubs,
and what it does is it coatsthe egg coats. It actually makes all
your plants look real shiny and pretty, but it also, uh it it'll
coat those in wintering over insects andand those wintering over eggs with that stuff

(35:42):
and it just suffocates them basically.So if you do that with a in
a combination with your systemic insect drench, this is gonna be the quick kill.
And then your your systemic insect drenchis gonna be your long term solution.
And uh, between the two ofthem, you're gonna get, uh
get really effective. The systemic insectdrench you really don't have. I mean,

(36:04):
you do it on your trees,but you can also do it like
if you've got a problem plant,Like if you know that just gets bugs
all the time. You got abig gardena, you know that just stays
eat up with white flies every yearthey'll get there's a lot of different bugs
that secrete that honey resin, whichin turn we'll get that black soody mold.
Guardenias are bad about getting white flies, and they do the same thing.

(36:28):
They secrete that secrete that resin,and then you get black soody mold
all over them too. You know, guardenas are notorious for getting white flies.
So you know, you can useit around a big guardena you have
an issue with if you got atreasure tree what I call it, you
know, like a jap maple,or you know, cherries. A cherry
or a dogwood is a magnet forbores. You know, you want to

(36:51):
make sure you drench those trees.If you got you know, a huge
white oak in your in your yardthat you just you know, if you
lose something like that, that likechanges the whole look of your whole lot.
You know, make sure you drenchin those trees because you'd hate to
lose something like that and it literallyjust deformed the whole landscape. So uh,

(37:13):
you know, make sure you getyour systemic insect drench out. I've
had really for three months. Yeah, it's because typically you do there's no
bad time to do it. Theysay do it in the fall, that's
one of the better times. Butyou can really do it anytime of the
year. And all you got toremember is you just do it once a
year. So if you if youdo it in January or if you do
it in February, you just markyour calendar and you come around twelve months

(37:35):
later and you do it again.So I've had that same bark scale that
gets on crak martles. Aphids arebad about getting on crake myrtles as well
when you get into the summer months, and I know we've we've had a
lot of customers that have crape myrtleslike around outdoor living areas, you know,
swimming pools, patios, and ifyou have aphids on on the on

(37:58):
your crk myrtles, you can't evenyou can't even sit on those patty is
because everything's sticky. So you know, if you're wanting to protect you know,
outdoor living areas from getting that,do your crape myrtles once a year,
but that bark, that bark scalethat gets on crape myrtles, I've
seen on a number of zelias inlandscapes, particularly if you have azaleas that
are kind of you know, intight spots or they're planted real close together

(38:22):
and they don't get a lot ofair circulation, that scale will get on
there and you can pull the theuh, you can pull the leaves back
and look at the interior of theplant and it's just it's got that solid
black to it and it's difficult toget in there with with sprays and kill
that stuff. So with your zaliasthat have that scale, you can come
in and do that that drench onfurtilong systemic drench on as well, and

(38:45):
that'll that'll eliminate that good stuff.Man. We just got a shipment of
it in a few weeks ago.We sell it in a lot of different
sizes, you know, from fromquartz all the way up to two and
a half gallons, so you know, depending on how big, how big
a tree you got, or howmany plants you got, we we can
hook it up and make sure itstays protected. I got a big white

(39:05):
oak right out right out in thewoods, Chris Keith is going to turn
into your firewood because it got boresin it, and it's one of those
monsters, not sweet but sweat.It went down a couple It went down
a couple of years ago because Idrenched all my other ones around the backyard,
but that one, particular one,I was like, yeah, I
won't do that one. Well lastsomething when we got into that, when
we got into that dry spell September, I mean it boom, it dropped

(39:29):
leaves. I mean like instantaneously weknow they put those they put those three
like subdivisions over there on the oldright form, I know, we're talking
about down there and down in Springville. And they left one oak, well,
they ran over it with the rootsof it with ten thousand bulldozers,
you know, and then they leftone tree. Well, guess what happened

(39:52):
when it got hot and dry lastyear, that tree died. It didn't
the Moppins had that mass of oakbehind their house. Monster I'm talking about
six men couldn't put their arms aroundthis thing. It was gigantic. And
they built their house. You know, so they ran ten thousand bulldozers over
that, the roots of that tree, and then they built the house to

(40:15):
the right of it, and theyran ten thousand bulldozers over the right side
of it. And uh, youknow, the tree hung on for you
know, another five years. Yeah, but it was it was starting to
leave. And you know, youlateral branches about sixty feet long on this
tree, you know, just gorgeous. It was beautiful and that, and
it just gradually, you know,it lost the limb and you know,

(40:37):
the neighbor to the rights looking atit, like, okay, this this
limb even hanging out over my porchis about as big around as your waist.
Yeah, it's like a small tree, yeah, or a medium sized
tree. It's as big as atree, you know, sixty feet from
the from the house. And they'relike, man, you know, if
this thing comes down on the topof the house right here, it's had
it, you know. So theyfinally is dead on the property line too.

(41:00):
So they finally came to a mutualagreement that the big water roak had
to go. Yep, And sothey took the thing down, and we
wound up coming in there and plantinga couple of privacy screen trees for them
back I guess a couple of monthsago. But yeah, that stinks when
you lose one of those. Well, you know mister Lloyd, yep,

(41:22):
John Lloyd around the corner from whereLaura used to live. You know,
we went in he lost a coupleof massive oaks in his yard that was
ten fifteen years ago, you know, and we went in and planted trees
that were twenty five feet tall already, you know, back in there,
just to you know, make thelot look right again, because it was

(41:42):
just Man, when you lose somethinglike that on the yard, it just
disfigures the thing. He had asycamore in his backyard that died. He
had a moss and that boy,it was big. I ain't never seen
one. It looked like it's ahundred feet tall. Yeah yeah, and
one hundred feet wide. Yeah.Well, Chris, we're late for break.
Let's go ahead and do that rightquick. Our number if y'all want

(42:05):
to get in a last minute call, maybe you got time, it's two
five four three nine nine three seventwo. We'll be right back on the
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Where it all my flowers gone?No clouds passing? Where he ball
my flowers gone? No further toall? Where it all my flower is
gone? Turned to the dust bythe summer sun. I just watched them

(44:00):
burn someday day, my ritur?Where did hold the water go? In
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How you doing, buddy, I'mdoing well. Trust you as well,
Yes, sir, we are.How can we help you today?
Question on magnolias. I have aheavily landscaped yard and have planted almost all

(45:25):
of the more than two hundred andtwenty five different species of plants in the
yard. I have one particular magnolia. It's a teddy bear magnolia and it's
oh, fifteen to eighteen feet tall. I guess it's seven eight years old,
so it's a mature plant. Andlast year it developed on the underside

(45:46):
of the leaves, on the pubescentside of the leaf a scale. I
treated the scale with nimes oil.I treated it with the fungen X malifion
mix, and the tree continue usedto as well as a as well as
a deep route systemic and the leavescontinue to turn brown. The tree is

(46:10):
deleased, probably sixty percent or more, and the scale is still there.
I've never seen this on a magnoliatree before. None of the others in
the yard which I have numerous havedeveloped this as any ideas recommendations. Yeah,
I would, I would use thefertile on systemic insect drench and I

(46:35):
would you know, you may evenit says to use it once a year.
You may do it now and thendo it probably again in the fall,
just you know, to to reallyget it in place good and then
you know, just just follow upwith that yearly. It takes it a
while to get up into the plantand actually do the job, but it
works really well and it could beNow that's what I that's what I put

(46:55):
in it, the systemic french.In the fall. I use the caliber
of the tree as my guide.I ended up using about thirty two ounces.
Actually it's a big, pretty goodcaliber on the tree. Yes,
if you just did that in thefall again. This is the drench is
something that takes It's a slow processbecause it feeds up through the tree.

(47:16):
With the sprays that you use,that can be especially with scale, that
can be difficult to get. Youknow, fifteen foot tall tree, that's
that's hard to get good coverage notand with the scale you have to get
on the backside, the underside ofthe leaves with that spray and that can
be pretty difficult, but that systemicinsect drench that's that's really the long term,

(47:39):
that's the best solution to get ridof that scale. And we use
that on a lot of a lotof plants for scale for aphids, you
know, different uh lace bugs onazalias and had really really great success with
that. So assuming that it wasmeasured right and done properly, again,

(48:00):
it's a it's a slow process.So if you just did it in the
fall, hopefully this spring you shouldyou should see new growth coming out on
there and and start to see thatskill fall off. Go and scrape the
backs of those leaves just to seebecause sometimes that scale will still stay present.
Like I've done, crape myrtles withthat bark scale, and after the
scale dies you can scrape it offand it'll basically just turn to dust because

(48:24):
the actual insect itself is dead,but the remnants of it are still on
the plant. So scrape on theback side of that leaf and see if
that scale is still alive. Ifyou see any like fluid or anything going
out, squash may'll be juicy ifyou not. If if you go to
scratch him off and he just kindof it comes off like a flake that

(48:45):
then he's toasted. Well, Chris, that music means we are out of
time. But furlough systemic insect drinch. That's the name of the game right
now. For for your landscape,Yeah, I mean, uh, if
you're gonna move anything, now sometime to do it. If you need
to bring you trees, now isthe time to do it. I mean
outside of that a hang tight thesprings right around the corner, Yes,

(49:06):
sir, sure is y'all come seeus at the Garden Center eighteen fifty five
Carson Road, or you give usa coll you need a landscape and irrigation,
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