Chapter Four: The Villages of the Dam

Bravely rushing to the aid of an anonymous stranger, the gang find themselves outmatched by a hoarde of zombies. Featuring stories on Molokai the Hawaiian Leper Colony, The Tuskegee Experiment, Crowd Crushes

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, they can't take.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
They capitate the tempt don't don't chop.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
You guys checked this out back?

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Can I got a little in my office that thirty
love keviny.

Speaker 5 (00:40):
Remember the people that really Yeah, come on.

Speaker 6 (00:45):
Get into your heads.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
My horse, jernamental horse is covered and blood doing this
right now, I can.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
I'm loving this. It's like a dream.

Speaker 7 (00:55):
Corybos Night, I love it.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
This is like everybody where you have those levels, you know,
it's like, all right, this is calm before the storm,
like carpentry case.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
There's any supplies around.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
We find a bunch of am overscrews.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
Look there's another way.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
By the way, how did Angela get a nine millime pistols?

Speaker 6 (01:13):
Oh no, it's pretty hype. Those you's got a better
shot than I assume.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
That's really nice done.

Speaker 8 (01:20):
I think she's got holoports and those people are just exploding.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yes, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
I don't scream way too eat pumpkins turning them into
a watermelon?

Speaker 5 (01:30):
Are all these people.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Coming the whole bunch of I'm no problem doing this?

Speaker 5 (01:34):
And then and then wait nice? This is really easy
to do, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (01:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:41):
But where's the person that was in help there? I
mean we heard the shots earlier. Anybody see anything, anyone
in help?

Speaker 3 (01:47):
I don't see anyone.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Well, nice, nice, that was a bad one, he was messy.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Was that too far? These are dead?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
That's what you assume. Oh you got you got zombie elbow?

Speaker 6 (02:03):
There there you go, get it of zombie face.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
We got to find the guy with the girl or
the person.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Okay, so it's definitely a human. I guess only humans
can shoot guns in your world.

Speaker 8 (02:20):
Yeah, way to be.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Species, he said, Yeah, well it just seems like it
would be a human being present.

Speaker 8 (02:29):
Maybe maybe should I'm from Florida.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Everything has guns.

Speaker 5 (02:38):
I got you, I got you.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
They're all around.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
Really, I was observing this.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
Yeah, we have we need to get off of the horses,
and we need to find this person.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Let's get off the.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Horn, off the horse on the ground. Freaking old Fort guys.

Speaker 7 (02:59):
You know door on that building. There's an open door.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Run run run runing. Wait wait wait wait wait wait there.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
The door hold on.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Can you keep the door open? And I'm gonna do
like a cool Indiana Jones slide.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
All right, but you have to keep it. You have
to lose your hat on the other side and reach
and grab your hat and be really cool open it.

Speaker 10 (03:22):
Okay, so precious moments on that.

Speaker 5 (03:35):
That was memories to have forever.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
You guys are dicks.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
You wanted me to die, You wanted to do the
super cool idiot a Jones slide.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
You had to be a trickster, all right?

Speaker 9 (03:46):
What is he?

Speaker 6 (03:49):
All right?

Speaker 7 (03:50):
So I'm gonna push this thing in front of the door.
Let's make sure nobody else barricade?

Speaker 5 (03:58):
All right?

Speaker 11 (03:59):
You know what they do in They put like a
chair against the door handle and movies. Does that ever work?

Speaker 2 (04:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (04:04):
Check to make sure there's no other exits entrances. Let's
let's be smart about that.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
That's good.

Speaker 7 (04:08):
Good calling in the back.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
And that door is shut, right, yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Any windows, I'm not saying any extra doors.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
What's in your kind of store?

Speaker 9 (04:17):
Is this?

Speaker 1 (04:17):
What is this.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Convenience story? Yeah, there's some Roman. No that is not Roman.
I can't pronounce this is this?

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Check?

Speaker 2 (04:25):
You just did? You just pronounce? It's chat?

Speaker 7 (04:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, oh gotcha.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, it's pretty easy, really stand for everything looks way.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Perhaps all these burritos are moldy.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Worse than moldy burritos.

Speaker 11 (04:40):
Guys, that found uh, there's a back door, but there's
all of these cases of billy beer in front of it.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Boom shock. We ain't going nowhere.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
Alcohol doesn't it just gets better.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
I feel like we shouldn't really leave right now. There's
a lot of zombies out there and they are dead.

Speaker 11 (04:58):
Yeah, they're closer. Shoot to the build. I can see
them through this little window here.

Speaker 7 (05:01):
Let's just stuck down and just maybe they'll go away
on their own. They can't see that well.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Right, Zombies, zombies.

Speaker 6 (05:06):
These are definitely the zombies. You the way their heads
just pop right off like Lego characters.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
It was awesome, And that was a.

Speaker 7 (05:11):
Little was so easy, wasn't it a little too easy?

Speaker 10 (05:14):
You know?

Speaker 5 (05:14):
This is reminding me of you guys. You guys, ever
heard of the Kala Papa Settlement, I'm sorry? Or the
Molokai leper colony?

Speaker 11 (05:24):
Which is it both Jesus Malokai cocktail exactly?

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Whoa?

Speaker 5 (05:31):
Have you guys? Ever heard of the US state of Hawaii?

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, I think it's the forty ninth fifty.

Speaker 7 (05:39):
Yeah, did you know?

Speaker 5 (05:40):
It's one of two US states that were internationally recognized
as sovereign nations before becoming US states. Do you know
what the other one is?

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Texas.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
Yeah, first of all, did you know that the oldest
island that's part of the Hawaii Islands of the archipelago
of Islands, there's about one hundred thirty two.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
I do not know that there are only like seven
or eight main ones, right though.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
There are yeah, about like eight main islands, like and
they even consider like Midway part of that, which is crazy.
But yeah, about one hundred and thirty two are some
of them like the size of like one man, Like
the oldest one that's out by Midway, it's estimated to
be about twenty eight million years old.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
And the youngest island do you know which one that is?

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Well, there's only six thousand years old.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
So, but which particular island it is in Hawaii? Oh
oh Waho, it's actually Hawaii, like the big.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Island island is it's like youngest one, Yes.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
The youngest. So if you think about it, like it's
a hot spot and the crust moves over it and
as it like pops up, it creates all these little islands.
So like the newest one is like the biggest one.
All the other one been like eroded from ocean and
like a earth.

Speaker 8 (06:52):
It's like an earth pizza, and the bubble on the
crust is.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Oh, it's a mountain crest right, and like the islands
are the.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
Correct It's very fascinating. And I feel like you're to
look at Hawaii from like east to west, or you know,
if you're like read Hebrew from right to left. It's
the biggest ones are like Hawaii, and then it's Maui,
and then it's Oahu, and then it's Kawaii. Those are
like kind of the big the bigger main islands. But
in between Maui and Oahu is the fifth largest Hawaiian island,

(07:24):
which is Malachai. So the Kingdom of Hawaii was sovereign
from eighteen ten until eighteen ninety three, and that's when
American and European capitalists and landholders overthrew the monarchy. Hawaii's
fifth largest island, which is Malakai. It's only thirty eight
miles long and ten miles across at its widest, and

(07:44):
it's home to the highest sea cliffs in the world,
three thousand feet above sea level. Yeah, and that's such
a small little is small little island. And so what
they think actually happened. Geologists thought that the cliffs were
carved by wind and water erosion. But then they think
that it was formed after a third of the northern

(08:04):
portion of the island collapsed into the sea. So it's
just this like flat rock face, just part that just
broke off.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
It just broke off.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, reclaimed is real estate.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
They're not making land like the that's.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Right, we need to make more land, thank you.

Speaker 5 (08:19):
So on a Malakai there's the Kalalau Papa Peninsula and
it remains one of the most remote locations in Hawaii
due to this unique volcanic and geologic activity. That's what
they're talking about with the sea cliffs and everything. And
plus it's like shark infested waters right.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
There as well, not infested.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
That's their house, that's their home. That's true, that's true,
it's their realist Malachai also has a big still big
population of Native Hawaiian ancestry, and they continue to preserve
their rural lifestyle thanks to their love of the land.
So the Kalaio Papa Peninsula on the northern coast of
Malakai is the current site of Kalawao County, which is

(08:58):
actually the smallest county the US in terms of area size.
You kidding, that's the border for the Kaloras Papa settlement. However,
the origins of the settlement are sad and disturbing.

Speaker 6 (09:10):
There it is it just seems like a nice little Israelism.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
We normally get something creepy and scary, and there it is.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
The other sandy geography.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
Now we got to get side about it. Unfortunately, in
the eighteen forty so this is during the Kingdom of Hawaii,
it's still sovereign. An untreatable disease arrived by merchant sailors
and that was leprosy. It became an epidemic and it
was so feared that they thought it would just take

(09:39):
down the whole Kingdom of Hawaii. Wow, everybody, just so
everyone knows leprosy. If you don't, it's also knows Hanson's disease. Really,
it's a long term infection by the bacteria Micobacterium lepre
or Mycobacterium lepromatosis. It can lead to the damage of nerves,
respiratory tract, skin, and eyes. So the of damage can

(10:00):
result in a lack of abilion to feel pain, neuropathy,
It can just fallen off and yeah, I can lead
to loss of parts of a person's extremities because you're
getting injuries and like rashes and unnoticed wounds and everything,
and you know, you just get these infections that your
body can't fight off, and you just lose limbs and.

Speaker 8 (10:20):
Everything, like literally bits of your body fall.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yes, I always thought dropsy referred to leprosy, but it's
actually like, isn't it plerosis? Yeah, it's like it's like
a fluid around the heart, but drops he would be
a pretty easy way of describing leprosy.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
Hand, that's right. Well, an infected person, they experience muscle
weakness and poor eyesight, and they the symptoms can begin
within a year, but it can live in your system
for like up to twenty years before you can even
show any symptoms.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, you don't even know.

Speaker 5 (10:59):
The interesting thing about this though, it's it's spread between
people and it's very contagious, but ninety five percent of
people who contract it don't develop the disease, so most
people are able to have their immune system fight it off.

Speaker 7 (11:11):
So there's carriers HIV positive but not full blown needs.

Speaker 6 (11:14):
So basically nine percent of people that get leprosy are
vectors and they just spread around without experiencing the issues.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
It never goes full blown seas trash pandas you're just
hanging around armadillos and everything picking them up.

Speaker 8 (11:30):
Yeah, they're so cute though they are.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
They're extreme, little adorable tanks.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
Spread is thought to occur through a cough or contact
with fluid from the noser person infected by leprosy, so
it can just be as simple as a respiratory track.
Genetic factors immune function also play a role in how
a person catches it. However, island nations and isolation, you
don't get the exposure. You don't have the immune systems
built to fight off these foreign diseases and conditions, and

(11:55):
therefore there's no cures, medication, education, research, and so it
just it just spreads. In eighteen sixty six, this is
about like twenty five years since it's recorded the like
leprosy was brought to the islands. During the reign of
Kamehameha the Fifth, the Hawaii legislature passed a law that
resulted in the designation of Malakai as the site for

(12:18):
a leper colony, so anyone who was affected, seriously affected
by it could be quarantined and just to keep them
away from everybody, they got this, yeah, and there was
no understanding of what this disease was. They had nothing
to combat it with.

Speaker 6 (12:34):
Think about the fear of something like that back in
the year, because now we have the ability to at least,
you know, to identify different issues. I agree that just
all of a sudden, what happened, Paul's arm fell off,
you know.

Speaker 7 (12:45):
I mean, and they're all just hanging out by themselves
with hanging off and hanging off.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
Well, yeah, so they knew it was contagious, but the
edge they knew it was contagious, but they didn't know
what to do about it. There's no antibiotics either. So
the establishment of the Isolation colony resulted in the displacement
of Native Hawaiian communities that had already been living on
that peninsula. So it already created all that kind of issue.

(13:11):
And then the people who were suspected of having like
a skin blemish were processes like criminals. Oh, they were arrested,
they were examined naked by like a group of people,
and then they were convicted, like actually convicted, and then
they were taken to this cola Papa settlement on Molokai Island,

(13:33):
and so they couldn't escape because of the three thousand
foot high cliffs. They couldn't swim because the vel sharks
and every it's just treacherous to go out there. And
they were basically just left to live in this community
to live out the rest of their lives.

Speaker 7 (13:47):
Imagine if you're just like a fourteen year old with
a really bad acne outbreak and now you have to
like go to a lepard.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
Colony and be right and how they wouldn't know. They'd like, oh,
it looks like it, so get out of here. Yeah,
that's the thing.

Speaker 7 (14:00):
Like they you weren't allowed to get any medical support.

Speaker 5 (14:02):
They had nothing to give them, and it was in
this remote area and no one had any resources to
bring there. You couldn't like have any further contact with
your family.

Speaker 8 (14:10):
Is death like guaranteed with leprosy?

Speaker 5 (14:12):
Or is it pretty much your I mean you're getting
infections that your body can't fight, and so I actually
just go septic and just that's it. There was an
article that I read on the National Institute of Health
and they have a quote from a boy that was
sent there, and he said, one of the worst things
about this illness is what was done to me as
a young boy. Now I'm not sure what year this

(14:35):
was and okay when he was taken, but he said
first I was sent away from my family. That was hard.
I was so sad to go to calla papa. They
told me right out that I would die here and
I would never see my family again. I heard them
say this phrase something I will never forget. This is
your last playlist. This is where you're going to stay

(14:56):
and die.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
That ole lead singer vocalist here like the says your
last place.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
That's what they told me. I was a thirteen year
old killed. Yeah, so they were remote, forgotten, no access
to much fresh water. That was another part of that place.
It was just a place just to die.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
And then they don't have any like can I appeal, No.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
Nothing, You have no law, like you're just thrown out there,
like you don't.

Speaker 7 (15:18):
They probably had no pathological testing.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
They were basically considered them legally dead.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Oh wow, the.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
People with Hanson's disease, which they didn't know, that's what
that was at the time. They were exiled to the
peninsula and they experienced extreme hardships in isolation, but over
time they built a thriving, remarkable community.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 5 (15:36):
So starting in eighteen seventy three, So those a couple
of years, almost ten years, there were major improvements because
there were the arrival of some missionaries, Father Damien Davu
Stairs and his successor, King David kalau Qua. The residents
had some relief as these missionaries offered care. So in
eighteen eighty nine they were moved from Kalawao on the

(15:58):
east side of the peninsula to call out Papa on
the western side for a better climate condition. So at
least like someone was giving them some energy. Let's give
them a better like location than this remote rocky terrain
with nothing with this speech, now you're heard of your
last days.

Speaker 8 (16:13):
You have leprosy and sunburn.

Speaker 5 (16:17):
And they at least started and the US at least
started to look at some sort of research, some scientific
attack on leprosy. The howeys they couldn't they could they
couldn't really figure out like a good host to grow
the bacteria like outside of humans. And then that's where
they figured out that armadillos were the perfect hosts. But

(16:38):
then yet everyone had to wait. This whole community people
had to wait until night. Like the nineteen forties when
sulfone drugs were found what to be effective against the disease,
but some patients remained confined in the settlement until nineteen sixty.

Speaker 11 (16:53):
Nine, after Hawaii's already become a state and everything like that.

Speaker 8 (16:56):
That's crazy, So.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
The isolation order was lifted that year. That was when
they realized antibiotics can cure Hans's disease. So they were
able to get them to these residents and they were
cured of this illness. They were told that they would
die from alone.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Only just let some bread out, got some mold on it,
and now we're saving lives.

Speaker 5 (17:17):
So of course, once there's a cure, and now that
everyone's kind of like, oh sy, so the government kind
of hops in and there's a bunch of things kind
of that happen here. So during this period, the state
of Hawaii enacted laws to establish the peninsula as Callawau County.
So there's kind of you're its own county now and.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
It's been inhabited for so many years right.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
Now, and it took steps to ensure that the people
who were forcibly isolated would be provided for and allowed
to live a color Papa for the rest of their lives.
At least they're cared for and given the resources and
the medicine and everything, if they wanted to. So some
of it was some people stayed there, and some people

(18:02):
kind of made this comment like they're so deformed that
even if they're cured, they would you know, they don't. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 8 (18:10):
So it was the sixties, you know, free love and
all that.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
So so they were just kind of like, we'll stay here.
I'm glad that we're not going to die, and I'm
glad that we're like considered like legal alive people again. Yeah, exactly.
So in nineteen eighty, after many years of deliberation and
civic input and about the future of calau Papa and
the rest of the patients and residents, they established the

(18:33):
Calai Papa National Historical Park and the goal preserving the
history and the cultural natural resources of this place. So
they turned it into this like, ah, we're keeping the
environmental aspects of this, plus let's take care of these people.
So it's like, what's national colony. It's kind of this
national Historical park and not.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Fun for the kids come on vacation around me.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
It's just this one county and yeah, so it requires
an extensive and complex collaboration between multiple governmental agencies that
play a role in the activities on the peninsula.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
I would I would say, why are you going in here? Yeah,
don't be a dick.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, like what you go in there for? You know,
just to look around and go, oh, look at them,
look at her.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
The Department of Health is responsible for the care and
treatment of the Hanson's Disease Registry patients that's what they're called,
which includes people forcibly quarantined at kalel Papa prior to
the nineteen sixty nine repeal of the isolation law. So overall,
between eighteen sixty six when it started in nineteen sixty nine,
more than eight thousand people wow, were forcibly exiled to

(19:35):
color Papa's people in a small area. The peak population
at one.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Point smaller, so it's okay, oh boy, yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
That's a point for me.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
The peak population at one point was about like twelve
hundred people there. But as of May twenty twenty four,
there are eight kalau Papa registered patients living.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
There, were still living there.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
Still living there, and they can travel between Oahu, you know, locations,
but for the most part they stay there. They are
taken care of by the Department of Health and they
can live there for as long as they would like
to because they have a lot of making up to
do for these people being Yeah, do you know what.
I don't have the ages or the names of any

(20:16):
of these people, but they have to be yeah, at
least in their eighties probably.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Now that they're all pured but disfigured.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
It's a HRS three two six also designates the County
of Kalawao is under the jurisdiction and control of the
Department of Health.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Well they're crazy.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Well, I mean, at least trying to take care of
these people that were done so wrong, you know, and
it's a good step.

Speaker 6 (20:40):
But at the same time, you have to understand when
the people are going through that fear, like they're just
trying to do anything they can.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
It's like what happened with COVID. We're all of a sudden,
it's like, okay, we just gotta try this. But back
then it was you know, a lot harsher.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
I'm just saying, we like kind of came in here,
kind of hot, you know, didn't really assess the situation.
Means we got swore they were zombies.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Were looking in their old and going.

Speaker 9 (21:04):
Yea.

Speaker 7 (21:05):
Now they're old, old.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Old, and they're going.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
The head right off around.

Speaker 7 (21:11):
I mean that's why I thought maybe.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
They might have leprosy.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
Their heads came off there.

Speaker 8 (21:18):
That's a lot of lepers.

Speaker 6 (21:19):
Well, I mean they've already got stuff falling off. Yeah,
I mean that's kind of their gig.

Speaker 5 (21:24):
You know.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Let's take a break and ponder this. Okay, you are
listening to friends, Welcome back to four. It's I am Fritz.

(22:01):
We've got Angela, Hellou Murray, Hello, Nick.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Spray, how's the goe?

Speaker 4 (22:06):
And of course co host Mandaddy Hi, who came up
with a beautiful idea. Now that we're stuck in this
store's very convenient being stuck at a convenience store. Now
it's an inconvenience store, you should probably run out.

Speaker 6 (22:19):
Let's face it, we're stuck here. It seems like a
little calmer outside.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
There's nothing to eat in here. That's not from nineteen
seventy nothing.

Speaker 6 (22:26):
I mean, I've played a lot of video games, so
I think it's it's body loot and time.

Speaker 11 (22:29):
Let's look at the little window. Guys, guys, the crowd.
I don't see anybody else.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
Body, And Daddy, did you pile them again.

Speaker 10 (22:37):
I do.

Speaker 6 (22:37):
I'm sorry, I just I just tried to knock them
that way, you know, and so just try to.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
Get a nice, nice stall piled guys.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
A lot of these victims they don't look like they
have leprosy.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
I'll tell you that, moon, you know, because there's zombies.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Zombies don't have leprosy.

Speaker 6 (22:53):
These are just these are decompidated dead people and they're
all wearing.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
Two zombies, host fleed fresh blood.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
They're fresh zombies.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Look at this head.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
That's a nice head. That's a nice he does this
look like.

Speaker 6 (23:08):
It's not talking to me, Like it's there, you around there,
you go stop on it like a pumpkin.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
No, I'm not going to do that. I'm just saying
I will do not have leoparsy.

Speaker 6 (23:17):
Guys, we never said that leprosy. There are zombie zombies
off leprosy. That's a totally different thing.

Speaker 8 (23:21):
He just said.

Speaker 11 (23:22):
Look, a lot of these bodies are wearing hospital gowns.

Speaker 6 (23:26):
They are well because I mean, we're going to put
the zombies, but the zombies hospital at talking.

Speaker 7 (23:31):
About a group of people who are acting crazy that
are in hospital gowns.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yeah, cut their heads right off.

Speaker 8 (23:38):
Oh but there's lots of pockets in these gowns. Look
you see we can find some stuff.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
This is a gold.

Speaker 8 (23:44):
What time it is?

Speaker 3 (23:45):
You're broken?

Speaker 2 (23:46):
I got gum? I got some gum. Don't don't you?
You're like, oh, that's probably not is it? Fleshy?

Speaker 7 (23:53):
Yeput that I'm getting a bad vibe.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
I mean, have you all heard of the Tusky Experiment?

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Told me.

Speaker 7 (24:05):
The Tuskegee Experiment or the Tuskegee Syphilis Study. What The
Tuskegee Experiment began In nineteen thirty two, at a time
when syphilis had no known cure, the US Public Health
Service and the CDC choose the Tuskegee Institute and Make
in Alabama to host the study in order to track
the full progression of the disease if left untreated. However,

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the participants, who were comprised only of impoverished African American men,
were not informed of this.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Jesus, why only men.

Speaker 5 (24:37):
We'll get to that.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Okay, they have penises, that's true.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
By definition checks out.

Speaker 7 (24:43):
These men are lured by the promise of free medical
care and free meals on examination days in exchange for
families signing mandatory autopsy agreements. Whoa, they are given free
funeral benefits.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Okay, that should be a red flag.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (24:59):
It begins with six hundred men, three hundred and ninety
nine who test positive for syphilis and another two to
oh one who did not.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
It's a whole lot of fucking so hold on.

Speaker 7 (25:07):
How many headed three hundred and ninety nine, almost four
hundred out of six hundred informed consent is not collected.
Participants are not told that they may have syphilis, but
rather that they are being treated for bad blood. Now,
this is a term used to describe many ailments, including
actual syphilis, to anemia, to just plainal fatigue.

Speaker 5 (25:31):
It could be anything.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
I'm just tired. Get in the experiment.

Speaker 7 (25:36):
These men are told initially that the study is to
last six months. It ends up turning into the longest
non therapeutic experiment on human beings in medical history.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
Wow, that's a euphemism. Non therapeutic. We're gonna torture you.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (25:52):
The longest single experience, longest single ongoing experiment.

Speaker 5 (25:56):
From the start, it sounds off.

Speaker 11 (25:58):
Should be clear though, these people had syphilis when they
joined the program.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
They were, but they weren't aware.

Speaker 7 (26:05):
They were not aware of Okay, they tested positive, but
were not to or any.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Given syphilis as part of the program.

Speaker 7 (26:11):
I did not find any information to that effect. Participants
are subjected to regular physicals and blood tests under the
guise of special free.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
Treatments using air quotes.

Speaker 7 (26:22):
Here, participants are coerced into undergoing extremely painful diagnostic spinal taps.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
I've had seven of those.

Speaker 6 (26:32):
I've had seven spinal taps, and they suck it messes
with your head.

Speaker 7 (26:39):
So the doctors were performing those tests for signs of neurosyphilis.
Researchers at the time theorized that Caucasian individuals were more
prone to neurosyphilis, which exhibits neurological effects, and that African
Americans were more prone to cardiac issues. Instead of receiving
medications to treat their illness as promised, the men are

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given specific mineral supplements which would have no effect on anything,
and placebo pills as to not disrupt the results of
the study. Sooths yes, good for you, but told it's
all medication. By nineteen forty three, just a little over
ten years into the study, mind you was supposed to
last six months.

Speaker 5 (27:22):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 7 (27:23):
It is found that penicillin successfully treats the disease and
starts becoming widely available. However, this information was purposely kept
from the participants, and they continued to suffer the full.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
Wrath of d syphilis.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Why but why Because we're humans and.

Speaker 5 (27:42):
Were vulnerable, we got to see what happens.

Speaker 7 (27:46):
Now, let's talk a minute about what syphilis does to
you and what these men went through.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
It's a weird response.

Speaker 7 (27:54):
Most of the men who tested positive in the beginning
of the study were already in stage three, which is
known as late and syphilis. During this time, you appear
to have no symptoms at all, and this can last.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
For several years.

Speaker 7 (28:05):
If left without treatment, as these men unknowingly were, you
have up to a forty percent chance of developing tertiary syphilis.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (28:15):
At this point, many different horrible ailments may appear. Some
people develop large tumor like balls that typically appear under.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
The skin and on your bone ooh or liver ooh. However,
they can pop up anywhere.

Speaker 7 (28:30):
Many early stories based on characters with a mutated appearance
think Punchback of Notre Dame. Our Base are thought to
have been based on people who were suffering this kind
of syphilis.

Speaker 5 (28:40):
Because it did the same thing.

Speaker 7 (28:41):
You had these giant bumps under your skin, and it
would actually make marks on your bone from the tumors
on your bone.

Speaker 8 (28:48):
Quasimotive was a real poonhound.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
It's nickspry At four Prins dot com.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
We were all thinking it nicked Briy.

Speaker 7 (29:00):
Now others will develop more towards cardiac symptoms. In addition
to eventual heart failure, individuals can develop aortic aneurysms. When
these aneurysms rupture, it can cause massive internal bleeding, which
leads to shock and then death. Now, if you don't
fall into one of those two categories, you fall into

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the category where you develop neurological symptoms, which is probably
the most well known. As a disease progresses in this manner,
it can cause blindness, dementia, personality changes, delusions, seizures, psychosis.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
And then death.

Speaker 7 (29:37):
These individuals are the ones who are said to have
gone insane before their end.

Speaker 8 (29:41):
Is this true that I was told this? So I
have no idea it's true or not. But is it
true that it actually erodes your brain?

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (29:48):
It actually like yeah, it liquefies your brain like shrinks it.

Speaker 7 (29:53):
During the course of this study, one hundred and twenty
eight men died either directly or indirectly from complications from syphilis.
In addition, at least forty spouses contracted the disease. I
do they were not told they had this, and of those,
nineteen of them passed it to their children during birth.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Wow, congenital syphilis right.

Speaker 5 (30:19):
And in case you were wondering.

Speaker 7 (30:20):
When the disease is passed to a baby during birth,
it often results in the developmental skeletal abnormalities.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Like I issues too, i e.

Speaker 7 (30:28):
Physical deformity, often very severe. It can lead to a
slew of lifelong health issues, including enlarged organs, deafness, blindness, seizures, tremors,
and paralysis. And this is assuming the baby even survives
the birth. So nineteen of those in nineteen sixty six.
Peter Buxton a Public Health Service venereal disease investigator.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
This like thirty years later, a very specific job.

Speaker 8 (30:55):
He's a private dick.

Speaker 7 (30:56):
He is Oh, my.

Speaker 5 (31:00):
Dry, amazing.

Speaker 7 (31:02):
So he's from San Francisco, and he sends a letter
to the National Director of the Division of Venereal Diseases
expressing his concerns with the questionable ethics and the morality
of the extended study. His concerns go unanswered, and instead
the study gains more support from local divisions to continue
until every last original subject had died and been autopsy.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
Every last subject, every last six hundred people, yes, all
six hundred, all six hundred. Wow, my god, wow, I
mean hard to even quick on this, I know, because
like how many of them had spouses?

Speaker 5 (31:39):
So now we jumped to nineteen seventy two.

Speaker 7 (31:41):
This is forty years after the start of the experiment.

Speaker 5 (31:45):
It is still going. Wow. Are the people running an
experiment even alive?

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Still?

Speaker 5 (31:50):
Do they pass it along to like my son now
takes on the scientific studies.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
They pass on the syphilis talk about getting tenure.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Yeah, they're reading the will Son of a bit.

Speaker 7 (32:02):
So at this point, the Assistant Secretary for Health and
Scientific Affairs appoints an ad hoc advisory panel to review
the Tuskegee experiment in full detail. And this is because
Peter Buxton couldn't get anything done through the proper channel,
so he leaks the story.

Speaker 8 (32:18):
He's going to add hoc too on that time.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
That was nice.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
That was nice.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
I'm sorry, very current, very current.

Speaker 7 (32:27):
A month later, it was announced that the study was
to be shut down due to it being unethically unjustified.

Speaker 12 (32:33):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (32:34):
Forty years it was found that the results were disproportionately
meager compared to the known risks to the human subjects involved.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Wow.

Speaker 11 (32:45):
And they discovered that penicillin treats it half after ten years,
after ten years, and.

Speaker 7 (32:50):
For another thirty years because they wanted to know what
happened if it but went untreated. So they just let
these people live in ignorant bliss and just live out
their lives.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
With it nothing to do with the race, Yeah at all.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
They I think realize because of this, you can't treat
it after a certain point. You can only treat sybylists early.

Speaker 8 (33:08):
On really reaches the tertiary stage.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
I think, thank you're right.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
I think I think it gets into the secondary stage.

Speaker 7 (33:16):
I think when if you get into tertiary, that's when
there's a point of no where.

Speaker 6 (33:19):
So what's what's the timing on that? Because I'm a
little worried now, well years, yeah, years.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
I'm good, I'm good.

Speaker 7 (33:24):
In March of nineteen seventy two, the Tuskegee Health Benefit
Program is established to fulfill the order that all surviving
participants receive proper and beneficial medical care. And then in
nineteen seventy five, this program is expanded to include the wives, widows,
and children.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Of any of the particlary two Jesus.

Speaker 5 (33:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (33:45):
Now, later in nineteen seventy three, a class action lawsuit
was filed on behalf of the Tuskegee participants in their families.
This results in an out of court settlement of ten
million dollars.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yeah, because they don't want that to go to trial.

Speaker 7 (33:59):
Which, if you're they that among the survivors and the
individual family members, that's not a lot of money for
how much it was ten million?

Speaker 5 (34:07):
How many people?

Speaker 3 (34:07):
And it was at least six hundred plus.

Speaker 7 (34:10):
Plus plus offspring and yeah, and it's only to the survivors.
It didn't go to the family members of the deceased
at so you're already leaving those people now, two stories
in a row.

Speaker 8 (34:21):
People just retroact like after the fact, being like.

Speaker 5 (34:26):
To that effect.

Speaker 7 (34:27):
Apparently this particular experiment was to African Americans only because
apparently Switzerland had done one with white Caucasian males. Okay,
so they were trying to see what the differences were
between the races. How true that is? It could just
be trying to backpedal after the effect.

Speaker 8 (34:44):
Yeah, and this Swiss don't have Nazi gold either.

Speaker 5 (34:47):
Not at all.

Speaker 7 (34:48):
So in nineteen seventy four, Congress passes the National Research
Act to study and write regulations for human participant medical experiments. Finally,
due to this, studies now require informed communication of diagnosis
in accurate reporting of any and all test results.

Speaker 11 (35:06):
It only took all of human existence up until fifty
years ago for them to make.

Speaker 5 (35:10):
That law, for them to do this. How I like
the accurate reporting. It's like, just now we decide that
that's important.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
What the actually let people know what's going on the
point of.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
All this If you don't want to, I do.

Speaker 7 (35:20):
I got a lot of this information from the CDC website.

Speaker 5 (35:23):
They do not try to hide that they did this.

Speaker 7 (35:25):
Now dumped to nineteen ninety seven, President Clinton issues a
formal presidential apology stating that the experiment was clearly racist
and that the United States government did something that was wrong, deeply, profoundly,
and morally wrong. He says that the study used men
who were poor and African American, without resources and with

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few alternatives. They believe they had found hope when they
were offered free medical care by the United States Public
Health Service. They were betrayed. The last participant of the
study died in January of two thousand and four.

Speaker 5 (36:00):
That's so sad.

Speaker 6 (36:01):
It's just there's always this response to we have a problem.
Who are the most impoverished people that we can use
to experiment on. It's always it's never like okay, everybody,
just line up, we'll figure out. No, we're just we're
gonna find people people.

Speaker 7 (36:15):
They take advantage of people who have no other options.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yeah, that's it's just and then are.

Speaker 7 (36:20):
Withheld all the appropriate information, you.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
Know, like the the exact opposite of the Malakai leper
colony Hawaiian Island is that they put everyone who had
it on an island so that they were safe from.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Giving this disease to other people.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
The Tuskegee experiment did the exact opposi, think about it,
so in a major population, the irresponsibility of that.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
Is AT's that's the exact opposite. The forty spouses got it.

Speaker 7 (36:52):
But what about people who had extramarital affairs or we're
single and then got married after the facts, I mean,
how how far did this remarried?

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Like can have no symptoms to.

Speaker 7 (37:05):
And that's it and most of these people were all
late and when they went in, so they had no wow.

Speaker 6 (37:11):
And just the fact they're like, Okay, these are people
we can do this too. That's the way the government
looked at we can do this to you, because what
are you going to do?

Speaker 5 (37:20):
Yeah, no power?

Speaker 7 (37:21):
And what about these children that were born into it
having any of your choice for the rest of their lives,
they will suffer from this.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
But it's okay. Ten million dollars should cover it for
that's not even enough for one person.

Speaker 7 (37:34):
And an apology.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
You know what, I'm not going to apologize for taking
these shoes off this corpse.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Cory' no no, no, no, no.

Speaker 8 (37:43):
What if he's got sybilists, you're going to get through.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
You're not gonna get simplish.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
How that works?

Speaker 6 (37:49):
All right, there's a bunch of dead bodies. We got
looting to do. We gotta get stuff, we gotta get
some supplies to do.

Speaker 5 (37:56):
Guys. Yeah, I think that hord because they're coming back.

Speaker 6 (38:02):
What no, no, no, no, it's so distracted by the
sadness that we killed them all.

Speaker 7 (38:07):
We killed people lumbering in the distance. They are loaning
that are moaning umber back.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Where are the horses. Though the horses are gone.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
They're gone. We got a dodge. Why would why?

Speaker 12 (38:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (38:19):
Why did we not tie them up? Because you get
off the horses?

Speaker 2 (38:24):
I know, I got knocked.

Speaker 5 (38:27):
Everybody's let's play. What is our next course?

Speaker 6 (38:31):
Grab your swords? Getting closer, Yeah, grab your swords. If
anyone has gone anything, just we gotta get ready.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
They're forming a wave. They're crushing what zombie wave going on? This?
That's what it appears to me.

Speaker 8 (38:46):
And it's getting closer.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
I got double swards, I'm dual wielding.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Maybe that's enough time to take a break. You figure
this out.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
That's important to do.

Speaker 8 (38:56):
Okay, take a breathe of our thoughts.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Coming back, lore coming back, They're coming back.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
Listen, all right, we are in front of a convenience,
so we got to figure out quickly map where we
think these streets are about to go, and then let's
come back and then let's execute that plan.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
All right. Okay, when you are listening right now, you
are listening to.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
Fort Fritz Maps.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Welcome back to Fort Fritz.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
We are suddenly finding ourselves surrounded by zombies on Fritz.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
By the way, we got co host man Daddy Marie
Angela and Nick Spratt.

Speaker 8 (39:50):
Le's get out of here?

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Okay, yes, why are what's going on?

Speaker 5 (39:54):
I will take a break up now.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
I only have my ghost out your lead.

Speaker 7 (39:59):
If we had just left, there's a lot more coming
than we went through before.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Quick way, quite quick.

Speaker 8 (40:06):
There's gotta be hundreds and hundreds of these these zombies.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
I see one, two, four, I.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
See four roads, which you don't know all of them
like this just to the right, my back to you guys.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
You guys run, I'm gonna fend them off yourself.

Speaker 5 (40:22):
Why do you think you can do this?

Speaker 2 (40:24):
It's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
I tried, though, I try.

Speaker 5 (40:28):
We appreciate that. That was really heroic. That thought was nice.

Speaker 8 (40:31):
A dead end, a dead end.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
We did not need to be trapped by these hobbies.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
No, no, no, hold on, there's gotta be way out
of the snow, very upper bodies, right, I don't know, man,
there's boxes. There's four more boxes? Can we Oh wait,
hold on, let's all try to get inside of them
and make no.

Speaker 5 (40:55):
I think Nick, Nick, pet those guys.

Speaker 8 (40:58):
I think this is the end.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
No, hundreds of zombies headed right touris's you know.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
I'm just gonna enjoy one one last cigarette here, and.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
That's not a joint. Why I want you to go
with the joy.

Speaker 8 (41:15):
Let me just enjoy this.

Speaker 11 (41:17):
Okay, I feel early calm, but inside I am freaking
the fuck out.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
That's pretty much your character.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Sketchule niked. This really is the end? Can I get
a drag of that cigarette?

Speaker 9 (41:28):
No?

Speaker 11 (41:29):
All right?

Speaker 5 (41:29):
Did you just have one?

Speaker 8 (41:30):
That's it? Kept it?

Speaker 2 (41:34):
You kept it?

Speaker 11 (41:35):
Ready, guys, I'm heavily, heavily freaking out. This alleyway is
very narrow. Do you guys know about the phenomenon of
crowd crushes, human stampeds, crowd surges, crowd crushes, collapses in
human stampedes. All of these phenomena might sound the same,

(41:55):
and they do happen quite frequently simultaneously. But while similar,
they have star differences equally scary and equally deadly. So
let's start by clarifying between them, and then we'll go
into specific documented examples. The commonality between these occurrences is
in the density of any gathering of people and the
increase of danger as one's personal space is exponentially diminished.

Speaker 8 (42:15):
Gotcha think about this.

Speaker 11 (42:17):
So, an average human body occupies about an area of
two square.

Speaker 8 (42:20):
Feet or one foot by two feet.

Speaker 11 (42:23):
Taking an objective look at the space that of one
square meter approximately three feet by three feet. Two people
can move in this space freely without making physical contact,
and as the number of individuals increase within the same
square meter, the risk increases as well. Until about five
persons occupying one square meter.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
That's too much.

Speaker 11 (42:43):
Things become dangerous and the ability to move becomes restricted.
And at even higher densities, people's bodies press into one
another and the individual's ability to move is arrested.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
I would imagine also breathing right like the space to
exactly your diaphragm expand.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
So like being at an e your feet get picked
up and you don't have no.

Speaker 5 (43:06):
Idea the people.

Speaker 11 (43:10):
I mean most of the widely reported instances of this
actually happen at concerts and other events like that. At
these numbers, the throng of bodies starts to take on
the properties inherent and fluid dynamics.

Speaker 8 (43:22):
It becomes like water like personally.

Speaker 11 (43:24):
Yeah, so with any force creating a ripple or a
shockwave effect as it passes kinetic energy from one body
to another body, and even greater densities, individuals can die
from sheer pressure on them, or from asphyxiation or.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
Just meat sacks, meat sacks, helth water.

Speaker 8 (43:42):
Water snakes, so a crowd collapse.

Speaker 11 (43:47):
This can only occur at these kinds of density numbers,
but it's not dependent upon whether or not the massive
people is stationary or if they're moving in synchronous you know, running, walking,
at the same pace. And since at this point personal
movement is impossible, there are stories of people literally being
lifted up off their feet and subjected to the mercurial
nature of a mob of bodies. Been if a single

(44:13):
person were to lose footing and fall, the gapp or
void created by the absence of their body maintaining equally
distributed pressure on all sides makes a hole that the
surrounding bodies fallow seek to fill, and they they cause
the bodies to fall so coincentrically inward in circles, liking
it to something like a sinkhole sped way, a domino

(44:36):
effect of falling inward until the pressure is weakened as
it travels further away from the point of origin. Bodies
upon bodies falling inwards and on top of each other,
mounting the weight over these people underneath, depleting their oxygen
at the very bottom.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Oh my god, what a treacherous weight to go.

Speaker 5 (44:53):
That is not how I want to go.

Speaker 11 (44:54):
So not only can this massive bodies lead to suffocation
from lack of oxygen, but it also from the inability
to move your lungs to take in more air, you
can asphyxiate. Yeah, a pressure that's a crowd collapse, a
crowd crush, or a crowd surge as it's often called,
takes place when a crowd's density increases to something like
ten people per square meter. One becomes compressed to the

(45:16):
point that the literal crushing of ribbed cages and bodies occur,
or the previously mentioned asphyxiation due to the complete immobilization.
This happens while the crowd is still upright. I think
there was a shelf suver scene song. So instead of

(45:36):
the crowd collapsing in upon itself, if the individuals fall underfoot,
these people are often literally trampled to death by the
moving force the surge immediately flowing over the crowd and
into the void creating And this is most deadly when
a large body of people moving together quickly from a
large space into a narrow or smaller space.

Speaker 8 (45:55):
Just like this alley.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Well, you didn't have to make it cool, man.

Speaker 11 (46:00):
So liking it to like, uh, liking it to think
about pouring a liquid very quickly into a funnel, So
the funnel may not be able to expel the liquid
fast enough, and the cone fills up quickly until it overflows.
And if that liquid is human beings in this analogy,
and there's nowhere for the bodies to overflow, and there's
you know.

Speaker 8 (46:15):
Some kind of barrier or doorway there.

Speaker 11 (46:17):
Those bodies at the front, they're literally crushed by the
oncoming horse. Crowd pressure is measured in killings per meter,
and it can be measured by implementing on purpose, a
linear barrier against the crowd. To give context, this answer
was AI generated. So that's where the weird comparison comes in.
I love it, uh being hit and I don't know

(46:38):
if that means kicked or run into like a linebacker.
Being hit by a small horse measures an approximate pressure
of two point sixty seven killings per meter. What anse
a small horse like a look at a.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Come on, man, that's chump numbers.

Speaker 11 (46:56):
Come on, small horse is just not Clydesdale against Yeah, right.
Another source says that a force of over one thousand
pounds at a time is released by crowd pressure.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Wow.

Speaker 11 (47:10):
A recent famous example of this happened in Seoul, South
Korean twenty twenty two. This occurred during the Halloween festival
yes points, oh yeah, I don't speak in in the
Etawan neighborhood, part of the Yonison district in Seoul, at
ten twenty pm in the evening.

Speaker 8 (47:31):
The area is known for its Ninth Life.

Speaker 11 (47:33):
It hosts a score of discothechs, restaurants, and bars, and
the popularity of this Halloween celebration dates back to twenty
ten and it was gaining steam for the next dozen
years until this tragic incident. There were concerns over public
safety that had been mounting, with behavioral experts even weighing
in that a tragedy was inevitable to anyone willing to
survey the area and observe the nature of the event.

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Authorities took no action in preparation for such an instance.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
I don't think they could have, Like everything was built
so close together.

Speaker 8 (48:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (48:02):
In fact, the event was grossly understaffed, with only one
hundred and thirty seven police officers stationed on duty to
deal with a crowd of over one hundred thousand people.

Speaker 8 (48:12):
What Yeah, it was nan.

Speaker 11 (48:18):
And this is despite the local police having had requested
additional backup.

Speaker 8 (48:22):
Four days prior to the event.

Speaker 5 (48:24):
Oh wow.

Speaker 11 (48:26):
This was also the first time since the COVID nineteen
outbreak that the Halloween celebration was held without any restrictions,
no masks, no social distancing.

Speaker 5 (48:33):
So people just forgot how many people.

Speaker 11 (48:36):
And the crowd of predominantly teenagers and twenty somethings poured
into the site ready to party. The area in question
was surrounded by narrow streets and alleys with little or
no means to escape a sudden surge of people. The
exact street where the crush occurred is about one hundred
and fifty feet long and at its narrowest point only
ten feet wide.

Speaker 8 (48:55):
Wow again, one hundred thousand people.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
That is that is a very old old city road.

Speaker 11 (49:02):
So the street also has an upward slope which would
cause the crowd to literally fall back upon itself, in
addition to a temporary wall that had been erected which
would actually impede emergency responders from reaching the victims. Again,
one hundred thousand people. The exact time of the crush
is debated, with multiple reports listing different times. The cause

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is also known, but there was an attendee that says
that there was a group of young men pushing others
until the falling began. One hundred and fifty nine people
were killed in the push wow, with another one hundred
and ninety seven others injured. A witness like, very badly injured,
a lot of critical injuries. A witness recalls a pile

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of human bodies fifteen feet deep at its apex.

Speaker 8 (49:48):
They said, whoa, And this is a quote. It was
a long time for people stuck in there not to
breathe end quote.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
You know, the most messed up thing about all this, too,
is it was Halloween. Yeah, we're wearing Customers have some customs, like,
you know, you can't walk very well.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
You're done.

Speaker 7 (50:08):
You've got like extra appendages, you can't.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
But we're already wearing too much. You're wearing more clothes
than you normally wear.

Speaker 11 (50:17):
Unless you're dressed like that. It's like a slutty nurse
or a slutty plumber.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
You saw last year.

Speaker 6 (50:21):
Yeah, the fact that they're normally wearing more outfits everything,
and they're having to have the inability to breathe.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Yeah, that just that adds so much horror to it.

Speaker 11 (50:31):
There is video footage oh the crush, and it shows
hundreds of people piled on top of one another, layer
upon layer, trapping those beneath as much as five to
six bodies on.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Top of one.

Speaker 5 (50:43):
Jesus.

Speaker 11 (50:45):
And of course after the accident happened, the Korean governments
had passed the buck off. They held many of the
officers they are responsible, and they were dismissed. They had
no It was just it all comes down to planning
and crowd man.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Yeah, really quickly. You can't change a ten degree slope
in a road, and you can't change that it gets
ten feet wide.

Speaker 8 (51:06):
Right, just have the festival in the field and it was.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Right next to a subway. It was right around the corner.

Speaker 8 (51:12):
From a subway exit.

Speaker 11 (51:12):
Yes, come on, so let's move on to human stampedes.
Stampedes are defined as a sudden, panicked rush of a
number of horses, cattle, or other animals, or the cause
to run away in headlong panic, or to cause a
group to act on sudden or rash impulse. Usually, the
word stampede is not associated with humans, and it has
a deeply negative connotation unless it's associated with Dolly Parton's

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Dixie Stampede.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
We needed the levity.

Speaker 11 (51:42):
So basically, a large group of people are trying to
get away from a threat or some kind of or
what is perceived as imminent danger. The biggest difference in
a stampede and crowd collapse and crushes, even though like
I said, they occur together quite often, is the amount
of individual space allows for room to move quickly and
away from danger perceived or not. Wikipedia it takes a

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second to stress how little is known about what actually
happens during all of these occurrences, because it's tough to
study a phenomena that is by definition both spontaneous and deadly. Again,
trampling of our people is not typically the main cause
of death in these stampedes, but the inevitable pilot causing
asphistiation remains the top killer. The deadliest human stampede in

(52:26):
human history occurred in twenty fifteen in Mina, Mecca, Saudi Arabia,
with a death toll of two thousand, four hundred and
thirty one lives.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
Oh my God.

Speaker 11 (52:36):
The annual Muslim tradition of Hodje pilgrimage to the Holy
City of Mecca is a once in a lifetime duty
for the devout of faith. In addition to traveling to
the city, the journey involves multiple rituals to be strictly
adhered to, and one of those the quote stoning of
the devil end quote, which is sort of a symbolic
reenactment of the actions of Abraham, involves throwing stones at

(52:57):
three pillars. These represent statean and this right happens at
the Gemarat Bridge in Mina. The event is heavily attended
and very very strictly scheduled.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
Yeah, there's like agencies that will brings pilgrims to.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
So strangely, but I mean regulation of religions.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
Well, these agencies actually take the time to okay, how
many people we're going to have six hundred meals?

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Right, they actually feed them.

Speaker 11 (53:21):
So on that day, September twenty fourth, twenty fifteen, at
nine am approximately Mechaton, and this is according to an
official at a press conference held that day, a scheduling
error occurred and two opposite groups of pilgrims were allowed
to converge on the small road that leads to the
Gemarat Bridge at the same time, causing immediate's intense overcrown

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God Dear and propelling the situation into the realm of
danger as the area was pushed to over capacity.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Because potentially one billion people could be it could be.

Speaker 6 (53:53):
Very religiously involved, very religiously. I mean, this is not
something like going to see a con cert wrong intent inside.

Speaker 5 (54:03):
Yeah, there's a lot of meaning and intent. Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11 (54:06):
So this is not the first disaster to haunt the
practice of the Hodge. Over the past thirty five years,
at least nine instances with a death toll of almost
five thousand people more injured.

Speaker 5 (54:18):
At what point do you make some sort of regulation change?

Speaker 4 (54:21):
That's how how can you tell people to not practice
their religion in a show?

Speaker 6 (54:26):
But you have to make a mecca saying that you're
going to put regulations on your God.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
That's that's Rianity.

Speaker 5 (54:35):
But I don't know the Vatican has like lines outside
they figured it out.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (54:42):
I'm just like, you can still practice, but do it
in a better, like.

Speaker 5 (54:46):
A great organized.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Way actually their God.

Speaker 5 (54:50):
But I do think like people with all of that
passion in a group that just becomes this like further yeah,
just yeah, it.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Just become it just becomes heated.

Speaker 6 (55:01):
It's just there's you have inside yourself and when you
find other people that are like, okay, I believe what
you believe. And then the more and more it happens,
regardless of how it affects other people, becomes an energy.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Yeah, especially if you know people going on a certain day,
you're going to go with them.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (55:20):
So there's actually an article in Scientific American called quote
what to do if You're trapped in a surgeon crowd?

Speaker 5 (55:29):
Oh boy, I don't know why.

Speaker 8 (55:30):
That's funny, by Daniel Leonard.

Speaker 11 (55:32):
So they're interviewing people who are experts in disaster and
emergency management and health and safety of crowd management. But
they basically say that if you're caught in this situation,
go with the flow. But it's best to avoid the
crowd in the first place.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
But if you are.

Speaker 11 (55:48):
Trapped in a stampede, don't try to fight against it.
You should move with it and off to the side. Yes,
you want to move forward and later at the same time.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
And if that means trampling over bodies, to trample over
those bodies.

Speaker 8 (56:03):
Get out, man, get out. But that's easy.

Speaker 11 (56:06):
Happens so often that a lot of the incidents aren't,
you know, widely covered and you don't see it a
lot on the news except for the really big ones.

Speaker 8 (56:13):
But that's why I think that we need to do something.
And I know I don't know what to do. Guys.
I think this is the kine.

Speaker 6 (56:20):
We got swords, we got old people, we got we
got the capivation going on work this start last.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
So sorry that I wanted to make money by owning
this sport.

Speaker 8 (56:33):
Take it over you guys.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
Out. We were just fine. That's when it came along. Guys.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
I'm so sorry. That's okay, But now I think it's time.

Speaker 8 (56:44):
It's been.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Let's just give it up.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Young.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
Yeah, that's true. Right, here's more for me.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
You get your experiencion and is going to be.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
You guys, Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (57:01):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Sounds good?

Speaker 3 (57:04):
That sounds like the gun.

Speaker 9 (57:07):
Guys, the stunt?

Speaker 2 (57:13):
What's going on? I know who that is? I don't know.
Is this Hans.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
Jesus for listeners new to the Fort, Hans the Alpha
wolf with the character that.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
We had many years ago.

Speaker 9 (57:40):
What are you doing?

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Well? We are stuck. We are going to be emaciated
by zombies right now.

Speaker 5 (57:47):
The final horde of zombies.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Yeah, like we heard gun fire.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
We decided we had horses, we had swords. Were decided
to kill a bunch of these zombies and that we're
stuck in this alley. Thank god you showed up, because
now they kind of seemed to be backing away from
us now, which is hold on.

Speaker 9 (58:04):
I had to burst a babble. But those were not zombies.

Speaker 6 (58:08):
What were their Their heads popped right off really cleanly
in the zombies?

Speaker 9 (58:13):
Did take about the look around the neighborhood that you
were in? Okay, he already did multi colored roofos.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Yeah, the zombies do they have They have cool house.

Speaker 9 (58:23):
Peoples, all courts off to your lot. The twenty four
hour bar with lots of free condoms on the bar.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
That's that. That seems like King's Leg. That's where I
want to live.

Speaker 5 (58:38):
Check out the condom bar.

Speaker 8 (58:39):
Is that Andy Matcher, it's your old pal match Well
to the village?

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Oh my god, what did you do?

Speaker 9 (58:45):
All right, let me just break it to you. So
this is actually a retirement community.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Oh my god. They all seemed like they had zombism though.

Speaker 9 (58:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (58:57):
Yeah, they were like, yeah, they were around and they
were non verb knew guys, just freaking old my dudes
that they should go and have their heads pop ups.

Speaker 9 (59:10):
Right, You guys could make it a lot of what
how you say, how do you say the keeling of innocence.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
That you.

Speaker 5 (59:20):
Got this wrong?

Speaker 6 (59:21):
You make the murdersings their heads pop right off.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
This is not a murder thing. This is just like,
you know, doing what humans do.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
I need to get rite this gun.

Speaker 9 (59:32):
Comic side. That's like the like there's eleven Boltimore captual
homicide life on.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Oh my god, just so I get this straight, telling
me that why are they walking away from this? Why
are they afraid of you?

Speaker 9 (59:48):
They are just dudes, They're just friendly people. The all
they want to do is, we're how long has he
been since we've seen you?

Speaker 2 (59:54):
You know, a while?

Speaker 5 (59:57):
I think a proper introduction, is it?

Speaker 9 (59:58):
Okay, So tell you a little story about Hans Hans.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
I'm very charming.

Speaker 9 (01:00:06):
So it's been about five years seeing each other, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,
So that's like, you know, thirty five years in the
dog years.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Right, canines, that's how you look at the time.

Speaker 9 (01:00:18):
So I decided to settle down. I found myself in
nice She will broom Kilda. It is my beautiful whate
She's a really you know, swilled She will like to
freak and we had ourselves a literate pops lous, but
we decided to settle down and you know, get a

(01:00:40):
place on our own, and we didn't want to miss
the boat.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Talk dog tag dog dog.

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Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
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Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Know how to play the jingle? Do you want me
to play a jingle?

Speaker 9 (01:01:21):
The jangles the jingle jungles.

Speaker 7 (01:01:30):
So let's let's back up for a second. Did we
just kill it for your innocent people?

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
A whole lot of I don't know if they're innocent,
but they were just old people.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
There are all people in Florida, so they've done.

Speaker 8 (01:01:43):
I mean, that makes the hospital gowns make a lot
of sense.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
They were zombies.

Speaker 9 (01:01:47):
Oh no, no, no, no zombies.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
On, let me think again.

Speaker 9 (01:01:51):
If you like peanut, do you know how much the
older folks like the Jimmy Buffetts.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
You know, it's just that's homes not Jimmy.

Speaker 9 (01:01:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Come on, I know more about Rupert rob and Jimmy
Bubbatt than you do.

Speaker 9 (01:02:02):
Look most of my background using sweet techno music.

Speaker 7 (01:02:05):
So like, these weren't zombies and there were real people.

Speaker 6 (01:02:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, zombies were real people at one point.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
I don't know how I feel about this.

Speaker 11 (01:02:16):
Hans, you gotta you gotta do us a solid man,
You gotta cover this up for us.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
How corrupt are you as a thirty five year old
hands the world?

Speaker 9 (01:02:24):
Well, you know, I am sort of like the unofficial
mayor of this this really yeah, many many hats hats
to the world, you know, like I am sort of
the sheriff and the guns. It's also the only thing
these people can hear, so.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
I use.

Speaker 5 (01:02:42):
Here.

Speaker 8 (01:02:42):
Then I got lots of pool.

Speaker 9 (01:02:44):
I feed them too. I'm like the head chef. See
these troughs here. What you might not have misinterpreted was
as weapons is just you know, sports you know cutlery.

Speaker 6 (01:02:58):
Sports can be deadly. You not with sports man that
could take your eye out.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
I gotta be honest. I saw a lot of silverware
in their hands, and I thought they might be knives.

Speaker 11 (01:03:08):
They were just like, really, you know zombies that like
the comments butter knives.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
It was hungry if I remember correctly.

Speaker 9 (01:03:15):
Oh yeah, they love all the roles, the rolls with.

Speaker 12 (01:03:18):
The butter extra water'ly messed up, guys, I told you,
Daddy have a question for you.

Speaker 8 (01:03:25):
Sure, did you do a head count?

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
I mean of the heads I removed thirty eight.

Speaker 7 (01:03:31):
Jesus, we're just gonna forget that happened.

Speaker 9 (01:03:36):
So it might take a bit of a nigula. I'm
gonna have to spin the out of this to make
this work with you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Yeah, we got to.

Speaker 9 (01:03:42):
Get you guys out of here. I'm the cover, out
and out of sight at fast before the mood.

Speaker 7 (01:03:45):
Turns, before they realized that can you do this?

Speaker 9 (01:03:48):
Yes, let me dump some trops full of the food.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Are you giving these people?

Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
I mean.

Speaker 9 (01:03:55):
The steak because.

Speaker 8 (01:03:58):
Taking it out of bake, it's Hamburger.

Speaker 9 (01:04:02):
Pacty covered in sauce. Not Jerman just saying what That's
why I have a secret.

Speaker 8 (01:04:08):
Yeah, to get you out of there.

Speaker 9 (01:04:09):
All right, guys, So if you just follow me, we
will go out of the alley, we'll go to diangle right,
and we'll go to Yes this way, so we come
behind this telephone booth.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
No, I'm not gonna hold you.

Speaker 9 (01:04:24):
So this is the U six s tunnel. All right.
They should take you right to the basement of the
chicken joint you love and know so much?

Speaker 6 (01:04:35):
Joy awesome right now, I'm so hungry, seriously, the villages appetite.

Speaker 9 (01:04:41):
The villagers don't like anything with bones on it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
So we're in the villages. Oh my god, don't up.

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
Then take this black loof and see where the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Night takes open.

Speaker 9 (01:04:55):
Going to come back, they're finishing. That sounds very stick
quickly much flying.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
My basic right.

Speaker 7 (01:05:06):
Again, a stand up mayor.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
These residents very very happy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
They know what he's doing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
All right, Well, we got to get into the sewer.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Okay, it's sewers.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
You are very strong. Can you just yank this off?

Speaker 9 (01:05:21):
All right?

Speaker 6 (01:05:22):
Let me grab it with the two hands, ben with
lower back and twisting well in the.

Speaker 5 (01:05:29):
Back, I got this. Just kind of give him all right,
We're good. I got it, all.

Speaker 8 (01:05:42):
Right, Marie made that look really easy.

Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
Mandy, I don't know yeah about the lever give him nay.

Speaker 8 (01:05:50):
So we just go down this tunnel to the chicken joint.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
I guess, yeah, I guess so I mean direction.

Speaker 8 (01:05:56):
Well he said it goes to the basement, So I
guess we just go there.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Yeah, must be kind of like a flood overflow chick.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
It's like a speakeasy for chicken.

Speaker 5 (01:06:05):
He's not gonna steer us wrong, right, guys.

Speaker 7 (01:06:07):
He did just cover up a horrendous crack.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
All right, you guys, look back at that crowd.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
That's not pretty. A lot of dead people, a lot
of headless people.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Raise your hand if you would kill them all over again?

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Oh, all day, all day.

Speaker 8 (01:06:19):
I did that instinctively. I didn't even mean to raise it.

Speaker 6 (01:06:21):
But I've been trying to show their heads back on
so I can chop them off again.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
I mean, I just you know, I have a hobby.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
That's no life. Well, that's no life.

Speaker 5 (01:06:28):
I'm hungry.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
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