Caladiums Breeding & Propagation Gardening Tips with Clay Wallace - Garden America Podcasts & Radio Show [7.20.24] - Garden America - Gardening Podcast & Talk Radio Show

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Well, hi there, Hello,how are you welcome to Garden America.
For those listening to us live,we say good morning. For those listening
maybe some other time or day seventwenty fourth, three sixty five, we
say good afternoon, good morning,good evening, and good night, good
night. Shit, John caught thatone good night show you anyway, welcome
back. We are here and sofar, so good. Everything rolling right

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along there the sound, the video, Tiger's here. John is here.
Hope you had a good week.We are heading into the weekend with a
lot of great gardening information. Ourguest is back with us today, very
patient. He agreed to come backon the show this with some conditions,
though, John, right, doesTiger have his phone going? No,
no, I. Our guest isback. Maybe we couldn't get him on

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every week, right, We hadtechnical problems, right, but you took
care of that all week right.But he's coming back on the show.
He's agreed to with several conditions.Number one, that never happens to him
again. I'm checking the audio makingsure it was all get. We're gonna
be talking about Kalladium right now.He's from Florida, Florida's Coalladium, Country
Lake Placid, not to be confusedwith Lake Placid, New York, New

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York to where the Olympics were heldyears ago. I didn't know that.
Yeah, yeah, see John,look at what are we? Two minutes
into the show and John's just learnedsomething? Yeah, I learned. You
didn't You didn't know that Lake Placidwas in Florida, or you didn't know
that Lake Placid was in New York. I didn't know it was. I
knew it was because of the Olympics. I knew it was in New York,

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the Winter Olympics. But when Isaw Lake Placid, Florida, for
some reason, my mind didn't differentiatethat there's two different places here. I'm
with John, gotta be honest.Yeah, yeah, Florida. Now where
is it in regards to like maybeTampa Bay, Miami. That's a great
question, CBA skin all those places. So we got to get geographically,

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get an idea. Yeah, we'llhave to ask. Okay, asked,
because the first question is going tobe geography. Exactly where exactly are you
as it pertains to the state ofFlorida. You know, in Fallbrook today
it's going to be ninety five.Okay, we're gonna hit in humid and
human You know what, the wholeweek has been human like seventy seventy percent

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humidities in West End humidities. Yeah, we're going to be ninety five,
we're going to be ninety What wouldyou temperature, we're talking, we're talking
temperature. You gotta be and thisisnt age. You gotta be careful what
you're talking about. Brian. Yeah, but but this we have to remind
people. This is fahrenheit. Areyou like me when you watch documentaries on

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TV and that they're using like kilometersor or anything, but fahrenheit celsius.
It's not miles. I don't knowhow to I can't differentiate. I go
to my phone and figure it out. Oh, we're ten kilometers deep?
Well what is that? That wouldbe twenty two two point two miles or

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two point two kilometers to a mile? Right, I don't know, No,
not too five kilometers? Is threepoint something miles? So yeah,
so there's two point two to amile. So see, and that that's
that's something else that's aggravating. Whycan't it just be like two miles or
three miles but two point it's it'slike you got to cut in half.
It's like, but you know,you know who made that problem. We

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did. We made our own problem. Well, and now I do it.
We could have we could have easilyswitched to kilometers a long time ago.
They tried to in the seventies andnobody bought it. We don't want
to do that. But now Idon't understand why the rest of the world
isn't using the English system. Imean, is it so hard? Look
at kevin point six per mile?Now celsius I understand because it makes sense.

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So celsius doesn't make it. Holdon fahrenheit is much better. Wait
a minute, doesn't water freeze atzero on the celsius? Yeah, and
boils at one hundred hundred. Thatmakes sense. But you know, when
you're talking about temperature and you Ithink you need as much to work with
as possible. So the higher thenumbers the better. Well, you've got
more numbers. There's a difference betweenninety and ninety three. Yeah, eighty

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nine and ninety three. It makessense that water boils at two hundred and
twelve. Yeah, that's kind ofopportunity. And like we're like, I
think what John is saying is itsounds really cool to say, I got
one hundred and thirty in Death Valleytoday, Oh, instead of thirty five.
Yeah, it doesn't sound that cool, doesn't sound I get that?
Yeah, because it's hot to it'sgoing to be thirty five hot, thirty
five? What are you talking about? Do you know plants? It's more

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difficult to grow plants under center greattemperature, right, they do much better
under fight. Yeah, now that'sbeen proven. That is the actual statement.
We probably have some new viewers andlisteners they're like, what show is
this what I tune into? Well, I've been trying to water everything,
getting prepared for the heat, eventhough there's a lot of humidity coming up
and on the hill by the sideof my driveway, I put an overhead

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sprinkler to get some areas where thesprinklers aren't hitting, and I think because
of the water, it was wadingdown the top of my tree, the
pink trumpet tree, so it fellover, so I had to restake it.
Yesterday. Somebody said that you havea lot of problems. You're right,
yeah, a lot going on.But it was already steaked. So

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did the steak fall overtake it?Right? Did the steak fall over too?
Yeah? I think that's was thatone of the because I thought there
were two steaks on it? Oris that something changing? That's what you're
going to do, right, You'regoing to do the two steaks everywhere?
Gotcha? Carlo wants to know.She says, can someone calculate k from

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watching? Is that kilometers? Yeah? Yeah, yes, she can estimate
centigrade because her husband's Canadians. See. I'm not a kilometer guy either.
I don't know. And I'm thinkingto myself every time if I hear it
or see it, I go tomy phone and I say to my stuff,
I'm going to memorize this because Iwant to. Yeah, you want
to know, because that's where everybody'sgoing to be. Yeah, and like

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you're saying, like, it's alwaysfun to be able to kind of put
it in perspective when you hear it. You don't like to have to google
it and figure it out later.But yeah, you know, I mean,
I think I think we're passing.Well, she's looking forward to a
cooler weekend. So she's in SanJose. Carla says, no, John

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not asking sharing. What does Carlawant to come in studio? Take my
place some way? You're more thanwelcome to We're off to a roaring start.
This has been a fun show sofar. Anyway, folks, that's
all we got. Thank you forjoining us. We'll see you good night.
You know, speaking of Carla,careful Carla here it comes. Well,

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no, I'm thinking that I justjust popped into my head. But
you know, Carla gave me someyellow Clivia three and all three doing really
well. And I've got actually nowI'm thinking, I got a lot of
plants from Carla at my house.They got what so on the little Carla
garden right there. Yeah, wellthey're they're scattered throughout. But I really

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like plants that remind me of people. Yeah. Is you know, as
you walk by, you look atthe plant, and there's even if it's
subliminal, there's a connection to theperson. I'd hate to see what reminds
you of me? Have you evergiven me a plant? Yes? What
did you give me? Can wetalk about this during the break? This
is embarrassing now. Of course Iknow Tiger's given me plants. But anyway,

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so any connection. Maybe it's becauseI'm getting older, but I every
time I look at something, it'sconnecting me to a memory and it's kind
of nice to just walk around thegarden and plants. What it's all about.
Yeah, and it's fun because youknow, usually that's something that maybe

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they had to you know, Imean, you know Clivia. It sounds
like a plant that she could havedivided and then given you some, you
know what I mean. And Idon't know if she did, but I
think she did. Well they wereyellow Clivia, and well, how many
years ago was it when yellow Cliviacame out? Remember they were like twenty
five dollars for a seed or somethinglike that. That was only maybe fifteen

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years ago. Yeah, it wasn'tthat long ago. But yeah, so
you know, they maybe had itin her yard and then she gave you
some of it. And that's kindof a fun connection too, because you
know, I mean, it's funto gift plants. You're saying, oh,
oh, I see something in thenursery, and I thinking John might
like this. I bring it toyou and take it. But it's another
thing, kind of like what youdo sometimes with your roses is take a

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cutting, propagated, grow it andnow share it with someone else. And
you have one, right and theyhave one. That's a really general action
continues, It's important because if theone I have dice that where to go.
That's why John gives so many roses. That's why he came. I
got cuttings from my grand planet.Yeah, exactly. Hey, we've got
about a minute and a half.You want to do the quote of the

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week, and then durin the breakwe'll bring our guest on. We'll take
two with our guests this week.All righty, thank you John and Brian.
I don't know if you remember BillyGoodnick. He's a landscape architect in
the Los Angeles area and he wrotea book, but he came with us

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on a couple of trips. Ithink back to bus trips. No,
no, no, I think whenwe went back to Scott's and Mary's Shield.
Either that or when we went toNorth Carolina. There were Yeah,
but anyway, this quote was fromhim, and he said, as overwhelming
as your garden might seem, itboils down to three questions. What do

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you have to work with, whatare you hoping to accomplish? And how
do you make it happen? He'sright, yeah, put in perspective,
right, and that's what I'm goingthrough right now. And the last part
of that, how do you makeit happen? Is Carl Tiger? Him,
come out, take a look.We're doing a lot too. These

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have so much to work with though, you know, that's what gardening can
sometimes be overwhelming when you have toomuch space. Yes, you know what
I mean. Yeah, Now whatdo I do? I wasn't planning on
horse putting a horse correct. Well, it's like having too many it's like
having too many, too many optionsto make a decision. That said,
we have an option right now totake a break. All right, We're
going to take a break. Bringour guests on, so enjoy the break.

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This is Garden America. Of course, welcome. We those on biz
Talk Radio Facebook Live. I'm BrianMaine, John Begnasco talking Pela Fox back
after these messages, fantastic supporters ofour show nationally on biz Talk Radio,
stay with us. Okay, weare back from the break. Good morning
to you once again, Good evening, good afternoon. However, you may
be listening to us here Spotify,Google, Alexa. We're we're pretty much

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cover all the bases here here onGarden America in terms of finding us and
listening and watching guard in America.That said, that Clay is back with
us this week, Tiger, let'sdo this and have a lot of fun
here on Guard in America for thisweekend. Yeah. So Clay Wallace is
joining us again from Classic Kalladiums.Clay's been working around plants for twenty six

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years, sixteen years professionally, andhe's Classic Kalladium's head growers, head grower,
i should say, in Lake Placid, Florida, where pretty much all
of the kalladiums come from. Andyou know, not always the most ideal
growing environment there, but it's wherekaladiums grow best. And you guys have

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a festival coming up as well,right Clay, And that's correct, yes,
sir. Yeah, this our thirdto third year for Thekladium festivals.
Yeah, and you know, Imean it's amazing because here in San Diego,
Clay, we have an area calledCarl's Bad, Carlsbad, California,
and it's known because they row thesemassive this massive field of vernuculus and these

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nuculous bulbs grow and you see allthe flowers in the rows. Now you
guys have even bigger than that is, rows and rows of kalladiums they're growing,
right, Yes, sir, that'scorrect. It's in the what we
call what we call the muck.It's a really highly organic soil. If
you has to bend down a grabit would feel almost like potting soil.

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It's years and years of composted wetlands. That's what it is in the in
the shadows of Lake Istapoga. Soit's you know, over a thousand acres
of the muck and it will remindyou a lot of the tulip fields in
Holland. It's just huge vast amountsof kaladiums growing there. And now you

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guys grow them there out in thefields and then harvest them and then that's
what you guys then go and youknow, sell to other people to then
pod and sell as ornamental plants tonurseries and things. Right right, that's
that's we We do not provide thekladiums any shade during the production. As
you would know, they love theshade for your yard, so they'll they'll

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put on sunscreens available, you know, to them genetically to allow them to
be grown commercially in the field.They don't look always the best as far
as their color goes. That maybe a little darker green. You know,
the whites aren't as white, butthey will produce a bulb in those
conditions. Ah, so that's whatyou guys are growing them for. Is
the bulb not necessarily the finish correct? Correct? Yeah? Now, now

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Clay, tell us a little bitabout the area also, because you know,
I mean, what is your whatis your highs in your lows?
Because give it give us a littlebit of insight on the a good kladium
growing environment. So people can maybeknow of at over here where we're at
Lake Placid, Florida, we're azone nine D, and so that that

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are average lows. You know,we we can see frost typically we don't,
but the hazard you know, wenormally see you know, low nineties
during the day and you know,low seventies at night. We do get
coastal breezes this far inland. We'rein central Florida. So as long as
your temperatures are above sixty degrees atnight, your kaladiums are gonna be happy.

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Once they start dipping below sixty degrees, they're gonna they're gonna start suffering
a little bit. As a tropicalperennial Okay, And so it's it's not
like a bulb like a tulip oranything that would actually go No, kaladiums
are sold as bulbs, but they'retechnically a tuber and they're they're a compressed
stem like a potato. So soyou're gonna you're gonna your thoughts need to

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look towards potato more. They'll havea store of carbohydrates inside them that the
bulb does use as it's not inthe ground to keep to keep itself alive.
You know, once those carbohydrates areused up, bulb will will desiccate,
they'll die. So you've got awindow from harvest to plant of about

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eight months maybe before the bulb reallystarts suffering. Okay, And for the
people joining us on Facebook Live,I brought some kalladiums in studio here to
be able to kind of show peoplebecause it's it's kind of a unique plant
in the sense of, you know, it's it's I think it's kind of
a little bit different than most plants. You know, the foliage kind of

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what would you call that john arrowhead shaped leaf, kind a heart shaped
leaf, ye, heart shaped leaf, pink greens, lime colored, you
know, different variations of that forthe leaf. Do they do they get
a flower. Kalladiums are the aeroidfamily, which is you know, most
people are familiar with peace lilies andand different bakias and stuff. So yes,

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they will have a flower very muchsimilar to a piece lily. It's
a spat and spadix flower. Oh, so the hour will come up as
if the bulb is mature enough,that will send up flowers. And some
varieties send up more flowers than others. So is it something that you would
get a flower? You know,that's exactly how we get more phladiums.
It is through that flower. Theflowers of complete flowers have both male and

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female parts to it, so wecan we can bring in pollen from other
kalladiums and use those female flowers tocreate a cross and and breed different,
more more exotic type foliages. Andthat's exactly what Classic does. We're one
of two in the nation that commerciallybreed kalladiums, so we have lots of

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different models and shapes. Yeah,yeah, I mean, I mean,
you know in here I got onehold on I forgot the name off the
top of my head, but it'sin the hot It's in the Heart to
Heart series. Hot to Trot.Have you ever heard of one of our
newer introductions. What we do iswe'll breed upon old varieties in the marketplace

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and try to make them better ormore improved as far as disease resistance and
stuff. So Hot to Trot isour Red Ruffles replacements for our company.
Red Ruffles is one that the Universityof Florida had put out many years ago.
I think it's about twenty maybe twentytwo years old now, Ruffles,

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So we've got Hot to Trot.It's a darker red, a little bit
deeper, deeper red, almost ablack red with green edges. Maybe about
twelve inches tall. Yeah, andthe leaf curls more than some of the
other kalladiums that I have in hereas well, so it's kind of it
does have a real curl on theleaf. Yeah, So you were talking

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about the flower. Is that somethingthat would happen every year with your kalladiums
or is it you said mature?Like, how long does it take for
a of the bulb would mature?You know, you always had at least
one dominant eye on the bulb,so that's your mature eye. So yes,

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it happens every year and it'll happenthroughout the season as well. The
growing season. You'll have multiple flowerscome up. You know, some people
just pick them off because there's nothinghere that pollinates kalladiums naturally, and they'll
as soon as they see the bloom, they'll pop the bloom and redirect that
energy to the plant because it's goingto be wasted energy as far as the
plant's concerned. Okay, hey,we are going to take a break here

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in about thirty seconds. Clay.When we get back from the break,
I want to talk a little bitmore about the kaladium Festival and what's coming
up. And you know what youguys do, because it's it's not just
about the plants. You guys havea lot of other fun stuff. And
then also I want to you know, give some tips to people that maybe
are wanting to grow kaladiums at theirown house. And of course those on

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Facebook Live questions comments for Claire andone of us here as we continue on
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and just like that we are backfrom the break. A big thank you
to fertilom or a major sponsor hereon Garden America. Thank you for tuning
in, Thank you for those onbiz Talk Radio, Facebook Live. Clay
is with us Tiger and that wecontinue with a with a great topic and
again a lot of interesting things tosay about well they're not Bob's there,
and I got confused after that technically, Clay. So you know, one

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of the big reasons why we broughtyou on the program is out there in
Lake Placid, Florida. You guyshave the Kalladium Festival coming up July twenty
six, twenty seven, twenty eight, you know, obviously celebrating the plant
that you guys produce, big,big region for growing it, but it's
a great community event too where youguys have some other things going on.

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Right. Oh yeah, Lake Placidis known as a ton of murials.
So on almost every side of abuilding that's you know, big enough,
we have some sort of murial thatdepicts a history, a historical event.
So we're known as a ton ofmurials. Everybody, I don't want to
say everybody. The whole downtown shutsdown for this festival. We close down

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Main Street. It takes place ata prominent park, Stuart Park and Devyane
Park. It takes place at twoparks and over twenty five thousand people descend
into a small community for three days. We have a car show. I
think the car show had over overtwo hundred entries last year. I believe

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that numbers correct, and we haveover one hundred and sixty vendors with a
waiting list in the wings of peoplethat wanting to get in. Space is
definitely a premium. There's three kalladiumgrowers there. We have us as Classic
Kalladiums. Baits and Sons and Daughtersand Florida Boys are the three kalladium growers.

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We're all there in the park.We have a huge tent put up
and people display their bulbs and plantsunder the tents and they're all for sale
for three days. It's a hugeevent. Now, Now I imagine being
in the region that you are andhaving all of these resources in you know,
people, you probably have some homehome gardener growers of kaladiums too that

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do some crossing. I mean herein here in San Diego. I think
an easy plant for us to kindof produce is a geranium. So,
you know, go around and alot of people produce geraniums, and there's
a lot of you know art,you know, or growing plant sales,
and people will be like, oh, I bred this gernium. Do you
guys get that over there too?Where the homegrown you know, amateur amateur

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amateur breeding of wealth. Well,if it's out there, I don't know
about it, you know, commercially, I'm sure there's some people that have
tried it's it's even even as we'vedone it now for twenty four years,
not everything is one hundred percent successrate. Our success rate probably is a

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little better than you know, anofice doing it. But you've got to
be very, very dedicated to breedkalladiums because everything happens before the sun comes
up. Oh really, so yeah, yeah, you could call them morning
people because everything has to happen beforenine o'clock. The pollen sheds, the
females receptive, all of that stuffhappens before the sun comes up. So

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you've got to arrange have enough populationof kalladiums where you've got pollen and blooms
that synchrony, you know, becauseas far as the Cleyton goes, the
bloom is asyncreek. Nothing matches up. It's not a cycle. It just
happens when it happens, and andyou've got to get all that stuff ahead

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of time, ready for the nextmorning. So you said earlier that there's
really there's really nothing that naturally pollinatespalladium kalladiums. Here right right in the
Tropic America's there is a small beetlethat is the natural pollinator for kalladiums.
And so that beetle is obviously nocturnal, and it goes out in the evenings

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when the when the kalladium bloom becomesreceptive, it'll actually heat up and put
off a sweeps fragrance, and sothe beatles follow that fragrance, and inside
the bottom of the bloom where itcomes it will be like a little love

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nest of beetles, you know,and then they'll they'll they'll do their little
dance and crawl back out, getpollen on him, and do it again
the next night. It's a deallike that, and they just get moving
from plant to plant. Huh,they just go from plant to plant,
Yes, sir, it's kind oflike a romance novel. Here, Brian
was thinking that a small beetle wouldbe the ringo beetle? Right, was

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he the smallest? That is exactlywhat I was thinking. I could tell
I was looking in your eyes.You know, we have such telepathic sense
between us. Yes, that's whatI was thinking about. John. Hey,
I had a quick question for Claybecause the temperatures he was describing are
similar to the temperatures we have herein San Diego. But kaladiums don't haven't

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done really well. We need ahumidity, right, Well, that's what
I'm wondering. And I'm wondering isyeah, and it's the new breeding going
towards kalladiums that may thrive with lesshumidity or is that not a factor to
consider? We are We are workingon a line currently. We have about
three or four, but they're notintroduced yet. We're still in testing,

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and so we're working on a line. We're calling them, uh what do
we call them? Anyway? Ican't remember to think of the name of
but we're gonna we're trying to countthem as environmentally strong, you know,
uh kalladium line. So the leavesare much much thicker. They are about
four times the normal thickness of akalladium if you've got that hot to trot

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there, there at least two timesthicker than that leaves that have the pretty
fake leave. So we're we're we'rehoping there'll be more robust in lower humidity
environments and not suffer as much becauseof the higher wax you know layer,
hopefully the higher wax layer. There'sstill some more testing and we send samples
out to places like like Monday,when I get back to work, I'll

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be sending a box of samples toa guide, Utah to test out in
the in the planes out there,so we can see if they handle lower
humidities. We've we've seen landscapers inPhoenix have some success with another heart to
heart variety called scarlet flame. It'sa strap much like the one that you

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have there in front of you.Straps we think are going to be the
way to go if you've got alower humidity environment, lower water just because
they're shorter and the leaves are thickera little bit sturdier plant, but we're
still doing testing. And that guyin Phoenix, he landscapes around the water
feature, so it's a little microclimate of of higher humidity. Yeah,

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and just splash over it probably keepsthe area wet. You got a question,
John, you want to hit thatquestion? Yeah, And coincidentally it's
from John. Yeah, and hewants to know how many years clay it
takes to develop a new commercial breed, a kladium, a new that would
be viable. Yes, that's anawesome question. So we put our colladium

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through about eight years of vetting beforethey're introduced. So we'll start year one
with the cross and so we'll dohundreds of crosses. It rounds out to
about thirty thousand babies for the forthe initial year, you know, and
we do that yearly. Every yearwe do that, so we're continually feeding
the pipeline and so every year theyget vetted harder and harder and harder.

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Like your first two years. Yourfirst year, you got a pretty face.
So we find the pretty faces unique, you know, designs and colors
and shapes of leaves. If there'sanything like the leaf curls will it's something
like that well, we'll keep that. Everything else gets discarded. So we've
gone from thirty thousand, say,to the fifteen. Half of it gets
thrown away, and we we harsherand harsher vetting until we get to maybe

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the seventh or eighth year, wherewe're down to like maybe three, possibly
two out of that thirty thousand,and then those may not even get introduced
if they cannot be if we don'tthink they're the market for it, or
if they don't make a commercial cropat the farm. You know, anything

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can happen with kalladiums, if ifif they're really they're really weird genetically,
if anything traumatic happens to that kalladiumwithin that seven years. The actual bull
itself has memory, so we canget a cold night or a fur of
frost if the in the field,and if that bull is exposed to cold

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weather, it will remember that andit can it can be detrimental to the
yields. So it's about an eightyear process, and we'll go from thirty
thousand to you know, two tofive out of that thirty thousand, and
you know, I think we're gonnahave to take a break here. In
about a minute, Clay but youknow for pepeople that do want to grow

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them in their house or at theirhome. You know, I want when
we get back, I want toget some tips to they grow them in
pods? What kind of soils shouldthey use, what's the fertilizing schedule?
Do they ever let them dry out? But when we get back, we'll
have all those answers with Clay Wallaceand Classic Colladiums. You got to thank

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you Tiger and of course on Facebooklive looking questions comments, Yes, indeed
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stay with us. I'm Brian Main, John Begnasco Target Palafox here coming back
with Clay Garden America. All right, we have returned from the break.
By the way, those on BISTalk Radio, this is the final segment
of our number one We've got newscoming up top of the hour. As
per usual, back at six minutesafter with our number two back with Clay
and a lot of great information Tiger. As we continue, Yeah, and
again we're chatting with Clay Wallace withclassic kalladiums. And before the break we're

(30:04):
going to give some tips on howto grow kladiums in your garden. And
and first off, I want tomention clay watering. You know, you
know you mentioned where you guys growthem there in Florida. You call it
the muck and it's just a veryyou know, organic rich almost like potting

(30:27):
soil medium, and you know,you get a lot of humidity, you
get a lot of rainfall. Doyou ever let coladiums dry out? Do
you know? Is that something?Or should they always stay in damp soil?
That that is something that's not recommended. Kladiums being from the tropics,
they expect a rainfall almost every day. Right here in Florida, we do

(30:48):
have our summer rains that happen somewherealmost every day, so so consistent even
moisture is important. Okay. Andas far as the soil they grow in,
there's there's extremes on the map,so we can go from anywhere from
muck situations like most of the cropof kladiums are grown in We have one
hundred acres on the muck, butwe also have two hundred and fifty acres

(31:11):
on sand. So as long asyou're providing what the plant needs nutritional wise
and water wise, you can growthem on a wide range of in wide
range of soils. So higher organicmatters are going to retain moisture and nutrients
better than lesser organic materials such assand, So we recommend a control release.

(31:37):
Fertilized something's going to release just alittle bit every time you water.
You can use water soluble. Ifyou choose a water soluble, probably cut
the rate in half and do iton a weekly basis. Kladiums are not
that heavy of a feeder. I'dprobably consider really a medium nutritional needs plant.

(31:59):
Not not anywhere close to a petuniaor a deranium, but but but
not not a cactus either. Soit's a it's a medium rate and and
you know your fertilizer packages should explainlow, medium high rates on them.
But as long as you can keepa consistent water and consistent flow of feed,

(32:20):
your your kladiums are going to bevery happy. The only diseases really
that kaladiums suffer from our root associateddiseases like pithium and stuff like that,
and that would be from from ananaerobic uh situation like you've overwatered or the
drainage hole is stopped up, youknow, something like that where where water
is going to back up onto theroots. Or if you live in California

(32:44):
here and you plant them in clay, well, I am originally from North
Mississippi and nobody has more clay thanwe. Doums still grow. Now,
now you did mention when you're talkingabout clay exactly right, But now you
did mention earlier too though that theythey love or they show better in the

(33:08):
shade. You know you do,so you don't want are all kaladiums love
the shade? And we're talking aboutfrom sun up till you know eleven inch
o'clock in the morning is her primesituations for kaladiums now mentioned earlier. Like
that hot to trot you have infront of you, that's from our breeding

(33:29):
program. We breed for sun toleranceso that hot to trot it can handle
full sun all day long here inFlorida and not lose any characteristics of it
from sun or shade, so youcan have the same kladiums throughout your whole
landscape sun or shade, and thatthat's some things to look for. You

(33:50):
know. You say, well,I can't grow claytum's got to have no
shade. Well that's not true.You just need to choose a variety that
best suitture situation. And there areout there. We have probably twenty five
or thirty that can tolerate full hotsun border situations is what they're tested in.
You know, I was wondering claytalking about the breeding. I think

(34:14):
it was about twenty years ago,right around there. Anyway, there were
kaladiums introduced which were called the Thaihybrids, and there were some really interesting
color color patterns. Was that somethingthat got worked into your genetics and breeding
too, or is that something thatwas just done in Thailand and doesn't really

(34:37):
enter into American has been breeding kalladiumfor centuries as a as a plant that's
looked at as royalty for the Thaipeople. The lesser of the people breed
kalladiums as a as a sense ofpride, and once one day a year

(34:58):
they got to present their breedings tothe royals or the people in Shepho what
they're called the regime in charge,and if they liked their kalladium, then
they got like, I don't knowwhat the war is like president of the
year, and they got lifted higherthan everybody else. And so every year
it's a look what I did,Look what I did. So they they

(35:20):
strictly choose based on a pretty face, very unique way out their color schemes.
They have yellows, like super brightyellows. The problems with the tie
breeding is that they're weak and they'reyou know, they may grow a plant
for thirty weeks and only have likethree leaves. But those leaves are beautiful.
You know, if you if youlook real close on pictures on the

(35:44):
internet, the plant is almost likea roboplant. It's got propped up.
It's it's you know, wired,you know, to keep it upright.
But the leaves are beautiful. Wedo import our our president doctor Hartman.
He has people out in these differentyou know, tropical countries, especially Thiland,

(36:08):
that keep an eye out that hekeeps in contact with him, and
if he sees something he likes onthese forums that he's part of, then
he'll reach out. Can I purchasewhatever, and they'll see if there's some
available. Now, the bulbs themselvesare super small, about the size of
your thumbnail, and it's taken.They're very, very slow. So we'll

(36:30):
take those genetics to pretty Face andbreed them into our more robust American genetics
and try to get something commercially viable. Oh jeez man, Yeah, I
guess you know that makes sense though, they're just breeding for that one thing
and that's one time only. Yeah, we are going to have to take
a break here in about a minute, I think clay. But you know

(36:52):
you can grow them in pots.And for the people that live in areas
that maybe they can't stay outside inthe winter time, can they bring them
inside? Ye, we'll do,will do interior. They have to have
a really high bright light. Andif you know your plant's going to be
mainly interior, I would probably suggestnot even exposing it to the natural sunlight

(37:15):
and can and keep it. Youknow, you buy your bulb and you
grow it from a bulb to aplant all inside the light that it's going
to be you know, meant for, so your leaves are adjusted to interior,
your plants adjusted to interior. Everythingis you know grown in the environment
that it's going to be in permanently, much like a fycus. You know,

(37:35):
you move ficaus in and out andthey drop all their leaves. Well,
I don't want to say coladiums arethe same thing, but if you
bring a kaladium that's been nursery growninto your interior, it's going to be
searching for light because it's used toreally highlight levels. Okay, hey,
Cleay, we're going to take abreak. When you get back, we'll
finish chatting with Clay Walls and ClassicLadiums and those of you on BIS Talk
Radio. The break is going tobe a bit longer. News coming up.

(37:59):
We came back at six minute after. Hopefully you can catch the second
that we're here on Guard in America. Those on Facebook Live, hang in
there as we continue on the weekend. Brian Maine, John Begnascar, Target,
Palafox here. Thank you for tuningin. We are guard in America.
Welcome back to the show. Ifyou are tuning in on the Biz
Talk Radio for the first time,and welcome. This is our number two.
The rest of us on Facebook Live. We keep on cruising right along

(38:20):
here. Brian Maine, Target Palafox, John Begnasco, Tiger, back to
you. We continue, Clay iswith us. Been talking about a whole
lot as we catch people up here. Yeah, lots of fun information about
cladiums and in very unique plants.They have the kalladium Fest happening next weekend
there in Lake Placid, Florida.If you're if you're listening to this on
the BizTalk Network, it's actually happeningthis weekend, right because we do tape

(38:43):
this show the week before. Now, Tiger, you said lake Placid,
Florida. Correct, Clay, Whereis Lake Placid, Florida? In regards
to any other cities or towns wemight be familiar with, We are centrally
isolated. I guess you would saywhere Lake Placid is about sixty miles due

(39:04):
south of Orlando, Okay, towardthe west a little bit. If we're
familiar with Lake Okachobee, we're aboutthirty miles north of that, and it's
exactly the same distance from coast tocoast. So that's how central we are
right there in the middle. Andyou know you had mentioned for people that

(39:27):
maybe want to grow kalladiums, youknow, there's a lot of environments that
they can grow them in outside,but if you want to grow them inside,
you would recommend buying the bulb andthen just growing it inside. It's
its entire life, so it becomesaccustomed to that. You guys sell bulbs
online, correct, that is correct? Okay? And when when would be
the time of year that people buya kaladium bulb? Our bulbs are available

(39:52):
for purchase, Well, let's takethis back. We will reset our website
here in the next coming coming weekand you can purchase your bulb. Will
not be shipped until it's time foryou to plant it in your area.
So you know, we'll start shippingyour tropical zones end of March and as

(40:13):
you go north through through the zoneagethe zones every week. It'll be a
progressive, you know, expansion becausethey they don't We don't ship them unless
the temperatures are correct. If youwant a bulb shipped sooner than that,
we do have winter boxing available ata at a at a cost, and

(40:35):
you'll you'll receive a small cooler withyour bulbs in it and there'll be a
heat pack and it'll all be weatherprotected. So we can ship any area
almost any time between March and sayJuly. Wow. Uh so, so
that that's kind of where we're at. Okay, So so you're you're actually

(40:57):
when you are winter boxing, you'reactually trying to keep that bulb warm because
you're worried about it freezing in shipping, in the shipping process, so you
have to actually heat that box,you know. I think most times people
ship stuff, they try to keepit cool because they're worried about it sitting
in a hub somewhere, And youactually have to keep that bulb warm,
huh. I mean we've had instanceswhere people will receive their package and it

(41:22):
is warm enough inside the box,you know, and and the humidity is
high enough because the bulbs are constantlyrespiring that they can get some some mold,
some surface mold growth like a redmold holbs. Not that that hurts
the bulbs in any way. It'sjust that it's so warm and moist inside
the box that it's comfortable for everythingto grow, right. Yeah, Yeah,

(41:46):
Well, lots of lots of greatstuff. Classic Kalladium's website, Clay,
will you give it to our listenershere? Yeah, it's a classic
kolladium dot com and it's a it'sa newly revamped website completely up to date.
We have search filters for all ofthe programs. We've got a Classic

(42:07):
program versus and the Heart to Heartprogram. We've got sun and shade filters,
we've got color filters, leaf typefilters, all all of that's available
to help you navigate our over onehundred varieties that are on the website and
then kalladium Festival dot org for moreinformation regarding the Kaladium Festival correct and there's

(42:30):
also several YouTube videos. If youwanted to get an experience of the Kaladium
Festival, you can type in KaladiumFestival like placid and several YouTubers do come
through and we have a lot ofvideographers come through and put stuff on YouTube
for their channel. Classic Kalladiums hasa channel of YouTube. It shows the
whole farming process and what it takes, you know, from start to finish,

(42:52):
the grading, the planting, theyou know, plant cells. All
this stuff is available for visual onyoutub Yeah, definitely check it out because
the visuals are amazing. These plantsare really neat. It's really amazing to
see these fields that they're grown inand it just blows your mind. Because
you know, for most people,this plant is very unique and individual,

(43:13):
maybe even just a houseplant. Butit's such a unique market because in a
very small space, you know,like a nine hundred acre footprint, we
grow kalladiums for the entire world herein Lake Placid, Florida. Yeah.
That wow, just mind blowing butreally cool to see. So if you
get a chance to take a lookonline, Clay, thank you very much

(43:34):
for joining us, Thanks for beingpatient with us. I'm sorry about last
week, but glad you were ableto join us again this week. Yeah,
no problem, good luck, Thankyou, Clay. Yeah, take
care all right. Yeah, he'spassionate about what he does, no doubt
about it. Well, he's tryingto get that one kalladium that'll get him
testing to the year. I lovedthat. Yeah, that but that is

(43:59):
funny. I mean I can offeel there's there's always those plant contests,
those flower contests where it's you know, just for the one flower. But
when you look at the plant,like that plant doesn't look very good,
but that one flower, you know, that one leaf looks amazing. Yeah,
it's interesting that the I'm thinking whenyou look at the kladiums they're grown

(44:22):
for their leaves to like Colius,and like Colius, whenever the flower comes
out, you want to cut itoff. Yeah, yeah, because you
just want the leaves to grow.Everything has to happen before nine am.
That's when everybody's amorous, the femalesand the receptive beetles, the little small
beetle buget, you know, isis active. So it's kind of crazy
when you hear about these plants thatare really only pollinated by one thing,

(44:45):
by one, you know, becauseyou know, I mean, he didn't
he didn't even mention really anything else, you know, meaning there's plants out
there that are oh they get bees, they get hummingbirds, they get butterflies,
get the wind, you know,they get the wind something. Oh,
well, that's why those plants areso prolific, because there's a lot
that pollinates it and then the plantcan reproduce. But when there's plants that

(45:06):
are only pollinated by one thing andone thing only, that relationship between the
plant and that animal is so importantinto it. Do you remember this relationship
The story about the orchid that hada really unusual shape, and when the
orchid was discovered, they theorized becausethe moth had never been discovered, right,

(45:32):
They theorized there must be a mothwith a tongue this long or something.
They can pollinate this, and theyfound the moth years later. Yeah,
like they found the plant, butthey never knew this other animal,
this other insect existed, but theytheorized it existed. Was that that was
the gene Simmons moth, right,that that'd been a good name for it.

(45:53):
That would have been a good namefor that moth, the Jen Simmons
moth. Our friend in Canyon CountryLenor, said that she had bad luck
with kalladiums, and again it's becauseno humidity, humidity, yeah, yeah,
yeah, And her comment was thatit was too hot or too something
of something bad. But it's funnybecause and it's just the heat. It

(46:15):
is the heat combined with no humidity. Yeah. And you know, but
as he mentioned, you can createthat little wit micro climate. You have
a fountain, you have some kindof water feature. Yeah, if you
get one hundred and three degrees,that's really not the issue. If it's
in the shade, it's more thatit needs that humid air surround, right,
and it needs to be in dampsoil. But now the breeding's going

(46:37):
to or they're at least trying,uh, kalladiums that will grow in drier
temperatures or climates, because look atyou know if it grow outdoors in Arizona,
you know where it's dry. Yeah. Yeah, And didn't he just
say they were sending some samples toYouTube? Right? Yeah? Now,

(46:58):
John, I've always thought of kalladiumsmore as individual plants, but it kind
of seems like to me they kindof do use them for colias where they'll
put him in a row in aborder or something. What is your Have
you seen him like that where theykind of use him as as a filler
plant or or do you just seehim as individual plants? Also, I've

(47:21):
seen them in warmer areas that aremore humid used as border plants. Yeah,
like you would use colias like youwould use colia. But in Michigan
they were more like gift plants andused as a pot plant like as you
know that statement plant in the centerof a pod or anything like that.

(47:42):
Right, Yeah, yeah, theThai hybrids. If people listening out there,
I know Kevin, our buddy fromCardolaine, said that every time he
sees the kaladium, he thinks ofour show. He said it's really educational
and where every time he sees thathe will think of our show. From
now on, he says he wantsto learn more. And if you google

(48:07):
tie hybrid kalladiums, you'll see someof the ones that Clay was talking about.
Because when these first came out andthey were on the internet, I
couldn't believe the leaves, you know, they were like polka dots and all
kinds of unusual colors. It isbreak time, so do stay with us
those on Bistalk Radio Facebook Live.What are your questions, what are your

(48:28):
comments right there in the comments sectionon Facebook, and we'll continue with Garden
America. Happy weekend to you.Yeah, it's going to be hot in
a lot of places, so doyour best to stay cool. We are
going to take a break for BistalkRadio. This is Garden America. Alrighty,
welcome back from your break. Wetrust you had a good break.
Our break was fantastic. We werefeeling the leaves. I feel like leather
on these kalladiums here, and yeah, what a fascinating plant, I will

(48:52):
say the people, you know,I think John got people really excited right
now about kalladiums. And going onlineand seeing some of the variety. But
I will say the word of caution, like Clay had mentioned, is that
the claim is a very unstable plant. And you know, we will call
it, I like Clay's thing wherehe said the bulb has memory, we

(49:16):
we kind of call it reverting.Where you know, a plant that's unstable,
whether it's a variegation or some kindof spore, you know, they'll
revert to what the plant was normally, which you know it's not always as
exciting. And so he was sayingthat, you know, some of the
issues with the Thai series is thatthey have not bred them for stability.

(49:37):
They've just bred them because they're reallyneat, right, But maybe a year
or two of you growing that plant, it could revert back to whatever the
plant was before. Because and itwas amazing for him to say things like,
if if it got cold, itwould force him, it would force
that bulb to kind of you know, have that memory and then go back

(49:58):
to what it was before. Itwould eliminate all the fun colors and everything
else. And I'm like that,it's kind of crazy that something as a
like an environmental change can make itchange its own you know, foliage,
color or shape or style. Youknow, it's kind of so so.
But the kaladiums that they've grown,you know, or have been trialed tested,

(50:24):
and they're much more stable plants.Right, I was thinking of Jerry
Baker's book Plants are like people,and people can beat bread for stability,
for stability, but sometimes they revertand it's exactly right. Absolutely, let's
see here, Uh question Mary inTucson, Tiger you brought up geraniums.

(50:45):
Yeah, she said she's never beenable to grow geraniums in Tucson. Really.
Yeah, so maybe too much waternot enough in the future on geraniums,
Yeah, definitely. We've had speakersin the past asked and we've I
don't know if we could contact heragain. I'm trying to think of her
name, Robin from geraniums up inthe Bay Area. We we may want

(51:10):
to get her back on again.But she was wondering, Mary wonders,
do you think it's heat or overwatering. I think it would be a
combination of the two, because geraniumsdon't seem to mind the heat, except
well, you know, it dependsbecause uh geranium geraniums in southern California,

(51:32):
the summer is kind of like thedormant period, right, because you get
geranium budworm and it's usually a bloom, real heavy, and then they kind
of have that loll right. Yeah, so it's a spring. But if
you went you go into the hot, dry season and they'll tolerate it unless
you had too much water and you'regonna get get rots. So and if

(51:54):
it's hot, the tendency used tokeep watering, right, And geraniums,
Mary's talking about pelargoniums. Yeah,pelargoniums, what's your The typical geranium are
from Africa, South Africa, soplants from South Africa normally are going to

(52:14):
tolerate dry conditions. Yeah. Yeah. And then the other thing too is
I would say that if she likesthe zonal geranium kind of more bush form
versus what you know, otherwise peoplecall an ivy geranium or trailing what you
see in hating baskets. Those toleratein my eyes, a little bit more
of the heat and the dry temperaturesas well. So maybe she's trying to

(52:37):
grow some of the ivy geraniums,which which they should be fine where she's
at. But kind of like whatJohn mentioned where in the summertime with some
of those ivy geraniums, they don'tlook good and then if you start overwatering
them, it just gets even worse. But the zonals stay a little bit
cleaner, looking better throughout the year. But then there's also the actual actual

(52:57):
geraniums, and there's a lot ofvery dry of varieties that tolerate, you
know, dry soil. You know, as far as the geranium goes more
questions, John, Yes, Johnsaid, we were talking about or colius
and he wants to know if theywould be a good border plant in southern

(53:20):
California. Absolutely, And you knowwe're talking about breeding on kladium, so
there's been a lot of breeding oncolius also. And I was fascinated with
the Under the Sea series. Ihaven't seen it. They've got like trying
to think spiny bonefish or something likethat, and yeah, a lot of

(53:45):
you can google it under the SeaColius I think they're called. But anyway,
you can go in any garden centerand you should be able to find
colius and all different types. Andthe cool thing about the colias is that
they're more of a shade plant,and he's breaking for a shade border.
Yeah, and it's a great wayto get color in a shade plant,

(54:06):
you know, without depending on thebloom. So there's the burgundies, yellows,
greens, oranges, just so manyvarieties as John mentioned, and leaf
shape and size height you know aswell. So you know, lots of
varieties for Colia's great border plants.Uh. Leonora has a question for you,
Tiger. Okay, she wants toknow how your shashita peppers did and

(54:31):
do you like them? She justgot a plant, I think because you
talking about them. So I gotI have two plants. I planted them
maybe maybe a month ago, okay. And Leonora, I had harvested yesterday
about twelve peppers, okay. SoI cooked those ones up amazing. And

(54:55):
I when I was harvesting, I'mlike, oh, look at these are
ones coming on. There's probably anothertwelve more. They're gonna be ready to
go this week. And in Leonora, you know, it's funny you mentioned
that because I'm doing a little testtoo. There was one shashido pepper on
there that was turning red on theplant, and I was like, oh,
I'm gonna harvest this one because youknow, if it turns red,

(55:17):
it kind of changes. But Iwas like, I'm gonna leave it,
I'm gonna let it turn red,and then I'm gonna harvest it and then
taste it to see, you knowif that one, you know, if
it's gonna be spicy or if it'snot gonna be spicy, because that's a
fun thing with Shasheeto peppers. It'skind of like, uh, you know,
Russian Roulette with peppers, where youcan have twelve of them and for

(55:37):
no reason, one is spicy andyou can't tell. You can't always tell
by the look of it if it'sgoing to be spicy or not. So
I'm wondering if the red will makeit more spicy. So my plan's doing
great. I'll send them, I'llpost some photos because yeah, I love
it. Kevin wants to know howyou cook them. Oh, just a
little bit of oil and pan saltand that's it simple. You know.

(56:00):
Kevin also brings up a good pointtoo, and this happened I think within
the last month. We had aguest on that talked about how overwatering can
boil the roots, and I guesshe's referring to Oh, you know,
I wonder and John Clement, whono, oh, I thought it was
from Australian plants. Yes, yes, right, Australian native plants. Whether

(56:22):
that had anything to do with Yeah, well she said, you boil the
roots if you overwater in hot wellyeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And
it doesn't ever cool down in Tucson, so you have to you have to
water at one am at eighty fivedegrees at midnight's comfortable exactly. Any other

(56:44):
questions we got them all answered.I think that's it. Veronica loves our
guests. Thank you, Veronica,thank you to Tiger Scheduling. And she
thinks Clay, oh, he hada lot of people thank Clay for it's
you know, for thekladium. Ithink that it all fits in class.
I think that we enjoy the showas much as our listeners doah, because

(57:07):
we learned so much. Not onlyfrom our listeners we always learned something new,
but from the guests. We getto have a new guest every week
practically, and it's always fun.And I always like to hear the questions
from the listeners because they come fromdifferent areas and so it's neat to know
where it will how it will growin the other areas. It is break

(57:29):
time once again. We have twomore segments coming up. Do stay with
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on this What is it July?What is today's date? July twenty nights,
Yeah, July twentieth, ninety five. In the Fallbrook Today ninety scripts

(57:52):
French eighty five Retiger lib. Yeah. I was going to complain more about
the heat and Fallbrook, but thenI see that Lisa was listening, and
our friends Linda and people our listenersup and Redding are going to say,
you know, don't be a whimp. Quick quit your whining. They had
one hundred and fifteen last week.Would you have a hat that's got a

(58:13):
little mister system inside the hat onevery you know, just walks around the
hose and just puts it up inthe air and lets it fall on him.
What of everything you have? Whatare you? Well? Roses?
Of course, when it gets hotlike this, what are you most concerned
with? What needs the most attention? Well? He is you know,
I don't know if anything needs particularattention, nothing more than others. No,

(58:36):
you just need to make sure thatyou keep things watered. I mean,
yeah, I was going to say, you have some of those you
know, borderline plants that you youknow, you've collected over the years,
and like you're saying, they theydon't do well in your air because it
does get so hot. So youhave to make sure, like you're saying,
those go water because if they don't, you know, they'll go away
real quick. Where some of theother go away. Yeah, where the

(59:00):
other plants they can go a dayor two without the water. But well,
you know, I've got that onearea as you first come up the
driveway that I've made kind of anair excuse me, arid landscape. So
I've got I've got some flowering thingsin there, but they're things that usually
will take the heat. Like there'ssome South African heathers in there, and

(59:22):
Gerbras are doing great in that area, which surprises me a little really.
Yeah. Yeah, And and ofcourse cactus and succulents. You know,
I you're more familiar with retail nowthan I am, but I was interested
to find that there's there's a lotof new varieties of aonium out there.

(59:49):
Are you familiar with those? Yeah, I mean really unbelievable colors. Yeah,
I mean reds and combinations, yellow, green, strike, big,
big head ones, small head ones, yeah, tall ones, short ones.
No, No, you're you're onehundred percent one skinny ones. Kids

(01:00:10):
with chicken pox love hot dogs,farmer hot dogs. But but I mean,
I think the reason why it's becauseit's a very easy plant, and
it looks very dramatic, right John. I mean, you know when you
look at an aonium, you youyou really don't have to do anything to

(01:00:31):
take care of it, and alsoit looks really neat. But but then
at the same time, this timeof year, those dormant, those flowerheads
shrink up and it's kind of likethe plant you gotta make sure not tower
water this time of year. Yeah, they this is this is probably the
time here when it looks the worstin the sense of the flowerhead shrinks up.

(01:00:54):
You know, you see more ofthe stem, and you know you
just got to be careful because youcan't force it to like you say,
you'll overwater. This time of year, well, I you know, you
can find a lot of really unusualplants on Etsy, and there were a
lot of a lot of people sellingdifferent aoniums. Oh yeah, but of

(01:01:15):
course they're always expensive there. Soyeah, I might go out to water
Wise Botanicals and today fun stuff there. Yeah, John, it's only going
to be one hundred and twelve andreading today, so yeah, well one
twelve. Yeah, Now, ifthat was centigrade, it would be a

(01:01:36):
lot better. It would be boiling, but yeah, it would sound better,
and you couldn't tell the difference betweenyeah, one hundred and twelve fahrenheit,
you know exactly how hot that is. You know, when you were
talking about your shashido peppers letting themturn red. A lot of people don't

(01:01:58):
realize that green peppers are red,and they're called green not because of the
color, but because they're not ripe. And the same thing with green olives.
Green olives isn't a different type ofolive. It's just not ripe.
So you're talking about the Martini oliveor any other or any green olive for

(01:02:20):
that matter. But I've never hada martini. If you I might have
tasted one over the years, Idon't remember. It's not something Martini seems
like something your dad would. Well, you know, these certain drinks,
like a martini, a Manhattan,a high ball, seems like the generation
before us, you know, likethe golden age of Hollywood. Have you
ever had a martini? Oh?Yeah, really yeah? Well Tiger was

(01:02:42):
a bart But do you like it? No, it's vodka. It's vodka.
You know, it's vodka, vermouthand olive juice. What's the difference
between shake and that sturred? What'sthe difference? Yeah, shake not No,
I know, there is an actualdiference in the sense of when you
shake it it, it turns ita little bit more cloudy and you get

(01:03:07):
a a good mix. It mixesa little bit of where just a stir
you're just going to you know,just get a very clear and not as
mixed flavor kind of a thing.So what's what's in a Manhattan? There's
an old drink for you. Yeah, Manhattan is put him on the spot.

(01:03:28):
I know, I don't know.I think Tom Collins, there's another
one. Oh, besides a screwdriver. Back in the seventies, there was
another one with orange juice. No, a greyhound. Oh my gosh,
screwdriver but like a screwdriver. ButI think it had a some thick syrupy

(01:03:49):
Yeah, anyway, I'll think ofit. Yeah, Manhattan I think is
like a whiskey or something though withcherry or something, isn't it? Tom
car Lisa is mentioning a dirty Marktini'sfavorite. What it's a dirty martini?
Well, just as extra all ofjuice in it, so you know.
But but that that is the funnything with Harvey Wallbanger. That's that's that's

(01:04:10):
right. Do you remember that,Harvey? But but I mean that's the
thing because martinis were actually gin andthen they switched to vodcast and then now
people don't even make them with bermovehere we go. They just do all
of you alright, Tequila, Sunrise, whiskey, Man Whiskey are right in
the Manhattan with vermouth. That's whatit was. Yeah, Hey, welcome

(01:04:31):
to this new rabbit hole. Ladiesand gentlemen. From gardening to drinks.
What's your favorite drink? What canI get for you? Hey? But
it all comes from plants. Whatwas the book that the drunk the Drunken
Botan is the drunken button? Chef? Who wrote that? Amy Stewart?
Yes, yeah, we've had AmyStewart yeah, we had her. We
had this show. We had heron for the book where it talks about

(01:04:54):
all the plants and flowers and everything. They drinks going to drinks, right,
So I think back in my dayin high school. The first mixed
drink that a lot of people wouldorder, especially the girls because it tasted
so good, would be a LongIsland iced tea. That is not a
good tasting drink, and it's themost alcoholic drinks. The difference between the
taste and what it does to you, that's the problem with those drinks.

(01:05:15):
It tastes like fruit punch. Andthen the second drink, you're like,
whoa, it doesn't number, doesn'tit tight? What's what's in a Long
Island iced tea? A Long Islandiced tea is all for alcohols, So
it's tequila vodka. We're off toa good start, is it. It
does a number on you? Whisky? But then what's the the mix that

(01:05:36):
you put in it? Right?And then it's just orange juice in like
seven out and some grenadine there yougo, oh no, wait a minute,
sprite spright. Yeah. So ifit's mixed, well, yeah,
you get the alcohol, but youalso get that nice taste. My first
mixed drinks was was a drink calleda Grasshopper. I remember grass It's krimdon

(01:05:59):
men, it's like a It's likea mint chocolate chip milkshake. That was
my first mixed And then let's notforget sex on the Beach. I can't
remember what those were. I feellike it was tequila and orangeuice or something.
But you're right through it. Ifyou don't do it for a long
time, you forget that mixes.Yeah, what is Colliano? Oh?
What was it? Kevin mentions Colliano? Does that pertain? What what you

(01:06:20):
were talking about? I don't know. I've heard, Yes, I've heard
of that. Yeah, I can'tremember, but I don't know if I've
ever had a mixed drink. Imean I've tasted a lot, but I
don't know if I ever ordered oneordered one, for sure. I've never
ordered one. But somebody did orderone one time, and I liked it

(01:06:41):
so much I almost thought of orderingone. And it was called a Golden
Cadillac, Oh really, which hadice cream in it. Oh, that's
why John's weakness is ice cream.Just about every picture we've taken when we're
on a trip someplace. Oh,yeah, John with his ice cream man
after my own heart of us.Yeah, you know that San Diego has
supposedly one of the best ice creamplaces, the one in Coronado. No,

(01:07:05):
there's a place in North Park andit's actually something laundry. Yeah.
Yeah, because they moved into thefielding. It never changed the name,
but supposedly it just got recently votedone of the best ice cream places in
the country. But I will saywhen I was back in Wisconsin, their
ice cream and I'm saying it wasso good. Yeah, the Dairy state,

(01:07:28):
right, Yes, that I Imean, I've had a lot of
ice cream and I love ice cream, and when I was there, I
was very impressed by just a basicice cream shop. It wasn't nothing anything
special. It was just really goodice cream. Galianos used to make a
Harvey wallbanger. Thank you, Kevin. Oh, it's a mix. On
that note, we're going to takea break. We've got one more segment
after this. This is it guystalking drinks, alcohol, plant plants.

(01:07:51):
Yeah, boy, what a show. That's a nice thing about a gardening
shop. You know about everything.This is heading your way next week,
but you're her Way based. That'sthe weekend. After all right, taking
a break. One more segment afterthese messages on BIS Talk Radio. Okay,
ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, we are back. Final segment

(01:08:11):
on this Saturday morning. If you'retuned in Live Biz Talk Radio, those
listening at some other point in timecould be our YouTube channel this afternoon.
This show will be uploaded this afternoon. Guard in America Radio show on YouTube
Spotify. Alexis happy to play ourshow. When you ask her, just
be nice to her, that's all. Just would you mind playing guard in

(01:08:31):
America podcast? Leonire wanted't you know, just for your information, she rarely
has alcoholic drinks. All right,and all right, thank you, Leonora,
because we're getting a little worried there. Yeah, made it crystal clear,
didn't she. Well you were wonderingbecause of some of the comments she's
posted. But no, now weknow they're all sober comments. So Lisa

(01:08:58):
says she's heading your way next weekend. If she's referring to us and she's
heading into San Diego, I willsay, Lisa, I don't know,
maybe this is why you're heading intoSan Diego, but if you're heading our
way, be careful because it's comiccon, and it's this is so far
away from this is the time inSan Diego that San Diegan's go, how

(01:09:23):
do we get out of Sandia?Have you ever been to comic I have
never been to actual comic con.My sister and dad go all the time,
and they're going this year. Reallybut I but you can just go
to the area, right, Andnow there's things all over the place to
go to, and it seems likesomething Eric would have gone to. Actually

(01:09:45):
he did. And then I rememberseveral years ago there was like a I
don't know what you'd call it,like a mini comic con that was in
Mission Valley. Yeah, much morecontrolled, not as many people, but
more focused on the comics exactly.They had guest speakers there and it wasn't
that big, huge crowd. AndI enjoyed that. That was fun,
you know. Yeah, that comiccon is turned into something huge. Yeah,

(01:10:08):
you avoid downtown San Diego in theyeah for that time. Yeah,
And Lisa said, that's good toknow. Thanks for the Yeah. How
long does that last? Is ita week? It's a week. It's
really only a weekend, you know, like it's like a long weekend.

(01:10:28):
But like you say, like theday or two before they do preview things
and then you know, then theyhave the actual comic con and then you
know, wrapping up up stuff.So Tanya and San Jose says that she
said some great times at comic Con. Yeah, what was your best outfit,
Tanya? What did you dress upas? Now? Is that?

(01:10:53):
Where do they do the same thingthey do up in l a or they
charge you to take a picture.Some people do, some people do,
some people don't. It just dependsthe people, because there are the people
that really invest in their outfits andthat's kind of like what they do.
What they do. They try togo and get some money back for their
putting all their outfit together and whatnot. Some people are just doing it for

(01:11:15):
the fun and they'll let you takepictures with them. It really does depend.
Kevin says that his wife, Terry'sneighbor invented comic cun Oh really,
Oh that's cool. Yeah, Iknow they keep threatening to move it out
of San Diego, so we'll seewhat happens there. More ice cream comments.
John Well Sue says that it's a'sdry clean, yes, dry cleaning.

(01:11:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's supposed tobe have really, I have not
had it yet because I am nota line person, and every time I've
gone there's been a line. SoI'm like, eh, snip it.
I'm just gonna go down to thirtyone flavors. Yeah, but I do
keep wanting to go there now.Years ago, John, and maybe even
you might remember Tiger, it waseither on I'm trying to think University Washington

(01:12:01):
where the there's a big fork inthe road where the San Diego School Board
building is. Yeah, wasn't therea carnation restaurant there, like a Carnation's
malt shop kind of Well, Ithink it was a restaurant, but they
served obviously carnation ice cream. Andhe used to say carnation right on the
on the signage right there. ButI don't remember that, John. I
remember as a kid because I'm alwaysasked me where you're talking. I'm always

(01:12:23):
asking you, guys, how comenobody talks about carnations anymore? Right?
You know, I know very littleabout San Diego, rarely the history.
Right. I have no reason togo to San Diego, That's right,
because you live up Gosh, youhave to you have to cross fruit inspections
and carry your passport when he drivesback and forth. I used to work

(01:12:45):
San Diego down in uh No.This was the main office for nursery Rose
Canyon, right, Rose Canyon,right. That was as far as I
got, but not really downtown verymuch, so I don't really know.
Yeah, you wouldn't recognize. I'mpretty sure. I'm pretty sure your guys'

(01:13:05):
office changed into the Carl Strauss Breweryif I remember. If I remember your
office, well, I think Iwas right next to Bud White Budwise and
that's still there, but next toit is the Carl Staws Brewery now,
and I think that's where your guys'office was. If I remember Correigly now,
yeah, wow. But I remembergoing to that Rose Canyon corporate office

(01:13:29):
every once in a while. Andthen there was a nursery land at the
end of Marina Boulevard, right,Yeah, that one moved. It's it's
you know there, there was onethere and then it recently moved to a
little bit. I guess. Iguess it's still Marina. But I did
a fashion show there years ago inthe eighties with Bruce's brother. Really because
I because years later I was talkingto Bruce, I said, Bruce,

(01:13:53):
remember that show we did together.We got all dressed up and he's like,
oh, you were in the fashionyeah, back back in the eighties.
And Bruce was like, no,I was my brother. Your brother
really goes yeah. Did you dothe the uh Shakespeare at the Old Globe?

(01:14:13):
You mean well they had a formedYeah, not that I ran.
No, I didn't. Why Whywould you? Why would you think?
I thought that you might have beeninvolved in that. They asked people from
different walks, and I think gardenerswere one. You're asking me if I
was there, if you ever sawme in tights, you would remember if

(01:14:35):
I was there. The we hadto pick a Shakespeare's sonnet that you wanted
to recite. Yeah, that remindedus of something of our profession and yours.
Well, I don't remember right now, but I remember I remember all

(01:14:58):
the sonnets I memorized. I thinkBruce and Sharon might have performed also.
That's fun. That's interesting. Yeah, all right, Well that's about it.
Gang, ladies and gentlemen. Thankyou for the memories. That's Bob
Hope, thanks for the memories withinhis show. A person just passed away
this week years old man. Yeah, we lost to read this week ask,

(01:15:21):
yeah, we lost Richard Simmons,Shannon Doherty, Shannon Doherty and they
come in threes, they said,well that was last week. Oh yeah,
all right. Hey, hey,thank you so much for joining us
here on Guard in America. I'mBrian Main, John Beg Nascar Talking Pella
Fox. Enjoyed the rest of yourweekend. Thank you for supporting our show.

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