Cyclamen Gardening Tips with Matt Mattus - Garden America Radio Show [12.14.24] - Garden America - Gardening Podcast & Talk Radio Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, well, look at us, look at you. We are
back again, Garden America, back on the air on Biz
Talk Radio and of course Facebook Live. Everything looks good
so far, Tiger Palafox. I'm Brian Maine, John beg Nasco
Tiger making sure that we're up and running on Facebook Live.
I'll make sure biz Talk Radio is tuned into the
show as well, and John is here with Well. John,

(00:20):
your mere presence brings joy and happiness to everybody, not
just because it's Christmas, but year round, and for that
we thank you. Well done, John, good job waiting to go. John.
You see this is exactly what I wanted.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm not I'm only flustered because I can't bring up
the uh. I know there's a way to bring up
the show.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I've got. I've got a red pullover, Tiger's got kind
of a teal green shirt going, and you have h
what's that gray? Would you say?

Speaker 2 (00:50):
That's get the uh? This is all I can get?
Just hand hand my phone.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Okay, Tiger's gonna fix it. Hey, we are back. Thank
you to those that are tuned right away. Happy holidays,
Happy holidays, We're a happy festiv Us. First of all,
John was going to bring the poll in today, But
is it in your car? Did you forget it?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
I brought in a check instead.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
You did, didn't you?

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah? The polls are nice people though, right right, he's
waiting out in the hallway for us.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
By the way, Tiger got your phone back on. So
how is everybody? I know you can't. I'm asking that.
I am throwing it out there to everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
I brought you. Brought you both Christmas presents, by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
You did. Yeah, and I know I was a little surprised,
But how early you brought them?

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Because here's the bad news. We're not here the next
two weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, we might as well break it to you right
now instead of waiting till the end of the show.
We were going to be off next week, but it
looks like two weeks and then we come back for
the new year. Tan rested and ready and very refreshed.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Mainly because Tiger has commitments.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
That's true, It's Tiger.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
That's what happens when you work with someone who has
a family.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, when if you're and Tiger's smart enough, and those
men out there who have been married for a long
time or past forty when when your wife requests something.
You do it. You don't question, you don't say no,
you don't just say sure, of course, you know what.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
But it's great that I have the support from you guys,
because it was funny because I threw it out there
to John first because we were texting about I think
a phone call that we were having this week and
he's like, hey, are we I can't remember the days
that were off, and I'm like, well, you know, I
had this one planned, but this one also, and he's like, oh, yeah,
you might. It's better that you go do that. You

(02:41):
better go spend some time with your wife's family.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
He just Janine wants to visit her mom. Yeah, exactly,
so you should probably go with.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Her exactly, you know. And then Brian's comment was, well,
tell her it'll be a nice trip.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yes, say you know, we should be on the driveway
and wave.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Anyway, back to the press I brought, because one was
I had given you guys some rose seeds to see
what you could do, and I think you could do
any very degrees of success, but the eventual outcome was
not much. So I grew some seeds from that same

(03:20):
batch and I brought you and Tiger each a rose
from that group of seedlings.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
So, now have you seen it bloom yet?

Speaker 2 (03:29):
I know that they're both singles, okay, but it was
really I haven't seen how they grow, and that one
actually might be yours tiger. I'm not sure because I
think one might have a tendency to be a climber. Okay,
but they're seedlings of Manhattan blue. Okay, so they'll they'll
probably be shrub roses or climbers. But they're unique. There's

(03:53):
only one of each of those in the world. So
if they turn out to be nice roses, you guys
can I'll help you register them. You can name them
whatever you want. They have to have the same name,
the same name. Aren't you given us the same rose? No,
they're different, No, they are different. Okay, well they're both seedlings,
but they're completely different.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Okay, yeah, yeah, because you know the name of my rose,
you know it's going to be completely different. That's a
good name, completely different.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
That is, that's not a bad name.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
What if you named mine's going to be the individual.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
What if you named a rose after the title of
a book, what would the book be the name of
the rose?

Speaker 1 (04:34):
The book is the name of the Rose.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, did you ever read that book?

Speaker 1 (04:38):
No, I thought you. I thought you were going someplace
else with.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
That's the the name of Uh. It was a movie.
It was a good movie. It was Sean Connery and
and uh, who is the Christian Slater?

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Do you remember the movie with Christian Slater and Sean Connery.
It's called the Name of the Rose.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
One's all striking and one is else right as far
as their cultural backgrounds.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
I believe you, Okay, Anyway, it was it was kind
of a mystery. I think, a mystery about people being
murders taking place in a monastery somewhere.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
It was.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
It was kind of interesting.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
I guess. A lot of rainfalling in San Jose saying
right now how much rain in capitals? Really planning on
twenty seven for holiday party today, but just canceled concerned
about family driving from far away.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Is that headed our way? Usually storms come come come
south an any Wood, John, I have.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Not seen that.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
We had rain. We had rain yesterday, right, you guys
said some too. It wasn't that much. I don't think.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
No, But it's spit.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
It's so far it's a little too dry to my liking.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah, it is it's very it is very weird.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
We normally have a bit more rain than what we've
had so far. And also it's been I feel warmer
than it normally is, like usually, I feel there's a
lot more chill.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
It's cold in the morning though it is from the
get go.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Oh really cold. Yeah, at least out by my house.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
How low did you get?

Speaker 2 (06:11):
How low can you go?

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Well, that's limbo, I'm talking limbo.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Oh. I think the coldest sweet had so far as
thirty nine.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
It's a good temp It's funny.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
I'm thirty Did drive out to Crest, you know, east
of Alcohola out there the other day, and you know,
I leave San Diego pass SESU, get through Le Maysa area,
get into Alcoholona Valley and I start seeing frost on
all the roofs out there, and I'm like, it's crazy

(06:44):
because I didn't see frost anywhere in San Diego, but
I saw it on all the roofs out there in
alcohol And it just shows you the temperature change. And
that's a fifteen minute drive, you know. But to have
frost on a roof here and then no frost on
a roof there.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
John ext to call those micro climates.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Like that word. I lived my whole life in micro climates.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
On his own property too.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
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you and I are getting to the age where we
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I don't need help you're the one that can't remember anything.

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I remember things.

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You remember the wrong things.

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I think.

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You know. I'm not saying everything I remember ever happened,
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You believe it. Quote of the week Brian.

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Let's do the quote of the weekend. We've got about
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Speaker 3 (10:32):
Matt Is our guests this morning, where you'll be talking
some cyclomen and other winter style plants.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Cyclones and tornadoes. Where did I get that wrong? Cyclomates Okay,
cyclomates yeah, frescoops Okay. We're gonna take a break back
after these messages on biz talk Radio. Our guest Matt
is standing by. You stay with us. Okay, we are back.
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the break, I'm Brian Main, John Magnascar, Tiger, Pella Fox.

(10:58):
We got the business out of the way, the newsletter,
the website, the quart of the week, and now Tiger,
our guest Matt is standing by.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, we have a new guest joining us this morning.
Matt Mattis is the senior director at the Horticul Senior
Director of Horticulture for the American Horticultural Society. Say that
ten times fast. Yeah, we're going to try that exactly.
And he's the author of two gardening books, Mastering the
Art of Vegetable Gardening and Mastering the Art of Flower Gardening.

(11:25):
And today we're going to be chatting a little bit
about some of these winter flowers here, Matt. Welcome to
the program.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
Thanks guys.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah, no, now, Matt, just for our listeners, where are
you joining us from right now?

Speaker 5 (11:39):
I am joining you from Worcester, Massachusetts, So just thirty
miles west of Boston. Okay, eighteen degrees.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Now for those eighteen degrees. Now, I know, Matt that
the way you pronounce it and the way it's spelled
sounds different, So go ahead and spell that for our listeners.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
Wo r cef r like worcestershare. Although here you know,
knowing that we have an accent and Worcester is well
known for its Worcester accent.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Oh really got the western accent?

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Called that Worcester accent. I like it. It's eighteen degrees
right now? Is it snowy?

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Rainy?

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Sunny?

Speaker 5 (12:17):
It is sunny right now. We're expecting snow Sunday night.
We have about three inches on the ground.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Oh wow. Okay, so you guys have been getting some
weather for sure. So so Matt, tell us a little
bit about your history before we get into our topic
this morning.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
Sure, well, my history is I think kind of interesting.
I certainly have been a gardener and intense. Horticulture is
my whole life since you know, I was five years old.
I live on the same property my grandparents owned at
the turn of you know, in like nineteen oh six,
the same house. So we've always garden here my family
and my grandparents did.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
So.

Speaker 5 (12:54):
I worked, however, not in the horticulture trade. I worked
at Hasbro Toy Company, basically like an elf, as a
toy designer for thirty years.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Did you design any toys that we might be familiar with?

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (13:08):
Yes, my little pony. I worked on Transformers. I certainly
worked a lot on Furby.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Well, what was that movie back in the day? Was
it big or there was one where somebody worked in
like a toy factory?

Speaker 5 (13:21):
Oh big?

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, it was big right where he made toys? So
is that kind of like.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
What you did as grow in New York City? So
I started just about the year that came out.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Oh, that's so fun.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
There was a movie with I'm trying to think Robin
Williams called Toys.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Toys, and that's when where it was like a competing
toy manufacturer.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Love that one too. Yeah, that's that's crazy. So so
that that's your history is designing, designing and creating toys.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
Huh, yeah, that was I mean, it's not even my passion,
but I felt I really probably wouldn't make money working
in the nursery trade or allowed me allowed me to
have a nice class house, but also collect the things
I want to grow, but have a fun job.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
And now you said you live on like a family
property like this. This property has been in your family
for many generations.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Same house since nineteen oh six.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
Yeah, yeah, do you have been Californian has always seem
to like that sucked? I we're probably the newest house
on the street, no way, you know, the sixteen hundreds.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
So nineteen oh six was the same year the San
Francisco earthquake. Just as perspective, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
It's it's four years before the nursery was founded here
in San Diego.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Wow, nineteen ten, right, yeah, nineteen ten.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Now Matt lives in the new house down the street.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Now, Now, Matt, I have to ask you, because it's
been in multiple generations, this property. Then you're, you know,
in being from a kind of a gardening family. Are
there things that you that are that have been done
on the property and you're like, ooh, I wish Grampa
wouldn't would wouldn't have planted that tree there, or like,
you know, what were they thinking when they were doing this?

Speaker 5 (15:07):
Yeah, definitely, I had My dad had seven brothers, so
they all lived here and one of them was a
landscape designer in the twenties. So the bones of the
garden are good. It's pretty formal. There's a goldfish pond
that's great, there's long stone paths. It sounds fancy, but
it's really the typical residential neighborhood two acres. But yeah,
there are trees that have planted that we that are

(15:29):
you know, one hundred feet tall. There's a lot of shade.
But the funniest part, I guess is that, like in
Junior High, I've planted trees that were three feets from
the house that are now maybe have a twenty four
inch circumference trunk that I probably shouldn't have planted.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Oh yeah, hey, that's a rookie mistake. We've all made
it one time or another. Too close to that eyes,
look at those roots and look at the sidewalk coming up.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
Yeah, so it's more me making mistakes.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
I think, Oh, okay, so you're the one creating the problems.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
I remember that thinking in high school, well, this five
gallon kinko is so cute, I've got to planet up
my parents.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
I'll never get.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
That big right, right.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
So so, Matt, you know, a big reason why we
had you join us on the program is because you
know this time of year, I mean maybe not necessarily
where you are, but some other parts of the country,
you know, they're they're dealing with their winter flowering plants.
You know, here in southern California we have that season.
You know a lot of portions of the West, in

(16:34):
portions of the South. One plant specifically that we're starting
to see in the market a lot is cyclemen, and
you know those grow in a wide variety of areas,
and they're actually a lot hardier. I mean, people think
of cyclomen and they look very soft, succulent. They think
that they're very sensitive, but they're pretty hardy. Plan you
have some knowledge on cycleman, so we wanted to bring

(16:55):
you on and kind of share with our listeners some
some things that they could be planting right now. So
out where you live, what time year do you guys
grow cycling.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
Well, we have well cycling here are barely hardy, but
it's the so cyclemen are interesting and I do I
collect them. There are twenty four species, you know, give
or take twenty twenty four, mostly all from let's say
the Mediterranean the Middle East, and they're about half of
those are tender, meaning they don't want to freeze at all,
so above thirty degrees about thirty two degrees, and then

(17:32):
the other half there they basically like to be let's
say in the twenties, so maybe go down a little lower.
So there are some that are hardy where I live
that I could grow outside and anywhere across the country.
If it's own five zone six, you probably there. You know,
there are probably four or five that you can grow,
depending on how wet your winter is. But where you are,

(17:53):
you're really in sort of cycling in land or it
may be maybe San Francisco is up to Seattle. But
the more ten are ones you certainly can grow outdoors there,
certainly in San Diego where you know it doesn't drop
below thirty two?

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Does it not? In San Diego? Maybe in some of
the parts of the mountains when you but like not
not in Sandy purpose.

Speaker 5 (18:17):
Right, But all those so of all those other species, right,
they're all pretty much collector plants. So if you're a
plant geek and you know you know about these, if
you're in like the Rock Garden Society, or you're an
alpine plant and you have these, they're not something you're
going to find that you know, your regular garden center
or a florist or even the supermarket. The ones that
you find out the holidays are all one species. So

(18:40):
that's all cyclement pers to come from. Just think of
persia right from. It's a tender species. It's one that
doesn't want to freeze. Maybe you can handle a touch
or frost, you know, if the ground doesn't freeze. But
that's what you're seeing planted outside your hotels in la
or you know, even in Vegas if it's a cool
winter and they naturally blew them this time of year

(19:01):
to the short these sort of short day length days.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Okay, hey, hey Matt, we are going to have to
take a break right now. When we get back, we're
going to continue chatting with Matt Mattison, We're gonna be
talking about some of the winter flowering.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Plants and those on Facebook Live of course, questions are
comments for Matt right there in the comments section. As
we continue. The boys are back in town. Brian Main
and John Bagnascar, Tiger Palafox, thank you for joining us,
and also those on BIS Talk Radio back after these
messages speaking of BIS Talk Radio stay with us. Well
believe it or not, and I think you should believe it.
We have returned John. It was touch and go during
that break BizTalk Radio Facebook Live. But we are back.

(19:36):
Matt Mattis is our guest and Tiger. Let's just we're
just getting started.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Before we go on further. We have a point of clarification.
You wanted to order cyclement off the internet, as I recall, right,
and it came in a little package, and I told
you that you spelled it wrong. It's not CycL mates,
it's cyclemental that you want.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
To Oh, that's what they took out of Fresco back
in the day because they said it caused cancer in
vavoratory rats. So it is different.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
It is knowledge on random things is phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Matt. I saw I'm trying to think, we were in
the Slovenian Alps, and I saw a cycloman growing wild
there and they were the smaller varieties. So I'm not
sure the species. I bet you you know what it was,
and they were extremely fragrant, and I'm wondering are some
of the species more fragrant than the persecums.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
It's so good you brought that up. There are a
few species that are very fragrant, especially in that area
perpureessens as there may be a pseudo ibericum, these super
long names. But it's so interesting you brought that up
because the perscum that you're finding now, breeders in Germany
and Holland have been recently playing with the genetics and

(20:50):
introducing some of that fragrance in some of the wild species.
So I usually go to florist now and I'll smell
my cyclomen and see even out of a pack of
the ministure ones, you know, you see on a bench,
two or three are gonna smell like nutmeg or Lilia valley. Yeah,
and I think in the future you'll start seeing more
and more fragrant ones. They're building that in with the

(21:10):
newest cultivars coming out. Yeah, they can be somewhat fragrant.
I wouldn't say they're super super interesting fragrances now.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Now, Matt also can you give us a little bit
of clarification on you know, what is a cycling because
as I mentioned before, it's it's a little bit confusing
in the sense of a lot of people see them
and they think that maybe they're an annual because they
only come out, you know, during this time of year.
But then they're kind of very fleshy, almost succulent like.
And then like we talk about, like they can grow

(21:39):
in alpine rock gardens and you know in the Mediterranean.
So is it is it an annual? Is it a
perennial bowl? What is a cycloman?

Speaker 5 (21:49):
A cyclelane is? But technically it's a perennial and it's
h and I agree, it's really confusing, especially of just
sort of like an average homeowner, you see a cyclone
at the store and you buy it thinking of them
as a bulb plant. It's not technically a bulb. It's
a tuber, right, And the tuber always sits halfway on
the surface like an m lls halfway in, halfway out,

(22:10):
generally speaking, in the wild, sometimes they pull themselves down
deeper into the ground, but it has that sort of
water storage organ It's that sort of severe shaped object
that goes that goes dormant for half the year, so
it's designed to be. They're growing in areas where there's
usually all half the year is wet and half years dry,

(22:33):
So like all bulbs, they have a dormant period, so
they're challenging to grow. As home, you might always tell
people to try and keep your your sort of fluorocyclemen
as a toss away gift plant. You certainly could try
and keep it over, But even in my greenhouse, it's
hard to keep these hybrid The hybrid person come over.
The pure species is easier, but it's not unnormal. Don't

(22:57):
think you did something wrong. After three months start to yellow, Yeah,
that's that's natural. Also, you know, I'm especially where you are.
They don't like heat. Yeah, so you know if they're
if it's too hot or too sunny, they can wilt.
And once they will to try out, they suffer. They're
really sensitive to that. So they like cool, cool, damp conditions,

(23:19):
not too wet, not too dry. It's that sort of goldilocks.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yeah, you know. And and and as you kind of mentioned,
like a lot of people will see these in a
grocery store or floris and they buy them and they
they bring him home, and they think they're almost house plants.
And and that's that's like the kiss of death, right
because like you say, they like it chili, and nobody
keeps their house at sixty five degrees, you know, and
and you know they like it to be damp, and

(23:43):
nobody keeps their house humid, right, so it's like you know,
they keep they bring him inside, they put them in
the living room coffee table, and.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Then they wonder what happened.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
A week later, they's croaking.

Speaker 5 (23:56):
Exactly here in the north or anywhere across the country.
In the north if the cold winter, they do great
in a cold window sill, so a sunny, cold window
sill in the winter. But yeah, they're not along with plant,
the florest ones, I mean the species ones, they definitely
will not live in a house. They want to be
like in my cold greenhouse where it's thirty eight degrees
all winter, they love that. Oh, but these florest ones here,

(24:19):
I think they're probably easier to keep indoors. In let's
say New England or like Iowa North if you have
a cold window or cold bedroom that's not heated, that
would be ideal for them. But if you have a
hot dry apartment. It's more challenging, you know, think of
it as a three weeker.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
What time of year do because as you mentioned, they
do go dormant, which their dormant time is, you know,
into what the spring and summer. When do they emerge again?
What is their season cycle?

Speaker 5 (24:49):
Yeah, they're pretty magical. Actually, So I have a glass
greenhouse I keep. It's a cold greenhouse and it's thirty
eight to forty degrees is what the thermostat is said at.
So the cyclomens stay in the year round. They stay
in year round in pots. I really do nothing to them.
And so all the species, even you know, the wild
species are the ones that you would buy a floorists

(25:10):
get the same treatment. Their bone dry all summer, which
is amazing. The totally bone drigs are under glass. And
then when as soon as here in the Northeast we
get cool nights in August and September, and that's when
the rains would start here. That's when the rains would
start in the Middle East too, and that's when the
rains would hit in the Mediterranean. So they like that

(25:32):
Mediterranean cycle, you know, maybe even parts of California that way.
So they're totally dormant. It's just a bulb sitting on
top of a pot or halfway in the soil until
the flower buds start emerging in late August September, depending
on you know, the nights are getting longer, the temperature
at night is getting colder, so those are all the
signals right for the plant to start growing, and then

(25:55):
they start. Most of them bloom in October. Most species
there are only a couple and persacumb As one of
them that blooms in the winter, and then most of
them are grown for the foliage if you're a collector,
because the foliage is so beautiful, that is true, and
about may you know when it's such to get warm
here in the north, but where they are in the wild,
it's always good to look right where a plant grows

(26:16):
in the wild and see what conditions it gets. So
like some Syria, Turkey Tunesia where these all grow in
the mountains, it becomes a hot, dry summer again, and
that's when they just yellow up and dry and they
do nothing all summer.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
And you and you brought up a good point that
you know, we talk a lot about the cycling in
flour because it's striking you know, the colors are vibrant.
It's kind of unique. Nowadays they're coming out with all
kinds of different style blooms, you know, with different color combinations.
But at the same time, that foliage on the plant itself,
you know, large or small, vary some variegation to it.

(26:56):
There's a mix of greens, purples, white, silvers, yeah, all
of it that you know, the plant itself, you know,
kind of like what people would do with like a
hosta or something like that, right where they buy it
for the foliage as well. It's not just the bloom, right.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
Collectors love the folige, summer arrow shape, the wild species.
There's selections of the wild ones, and especially in England
or in Germany and France, there are a lot of collectors.
There's a cycloment society. You can google and you'll see
these photos of people mostly post pictures of the foliage.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Tiger John and Newport Beach commented on our Facebook page
that his neighbor in Newport Beach plants hundreds of red
and white cycleomen at Christmas.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Just replants them every year, yep, and then takes them
out and then really I.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Don't know if he takes them out, but it just
says that it makes a great dramatic Christmas display.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
It's striking, you know. And Matt, I mean, what about that?
Because we do see the these massive displays of cyclemen
this time of year. Could people here in California leave
them there? And then would they do that again year
after year?

Speaker 5 (28:12):
I don't think they would survive through I mean your
what is pretty unpredictable there, I'm not clear. I mean
what they would want is a dry, let's say, a dry,
semi shady summer rest. So I would imagine there are
places in California where you could grow them, certainly in
northern California.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Okay, New Park Beach would be right there on the coast,
so you have that.

Speaker 5 (28:35):
They're like, yeah, yeah, I think coastal area. I think
it would depend on how much they don't want any
rain or moisture in the summer. So if you had
a freak rain for a couple of weeks, that might
throw off sometime.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
So we don't have any grain in the fall or winter.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
So so Matt, we're going to take a break in
a minute. But when we get back from break, I
have this question because you mentioned that, and so basically
I think cyclemen would need to go into a bed
that they could go completely dry through the summer months,
so not even in bed for irrigation. But we'll get
to that question or that answer after we get back
from the break.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
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I've got a couple of things going on, Tiger, I
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(29:31):
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Speaker 3 (29:55):
So before the break, I was asking Matt about how
to grow psycho them in a garden situation and maybe
have them come back year after year. And you know,
part of the criteria, Matt, is that area has to
stay dry. So you know, in a bed that you
were constantly irrigating, or a bed that you had other
plants and where you're watering them through the summer months,

(30:16):
you couldn't have the cycloman in there because they were
they'd be staying wet. Right, So are their companion plants
for cyclment and are there plants that could grow during
the summer months or do you just have to leave
this area barren.

Speaker 5 (30:31):
Companion plants for the cyclement that if they're the species
cyclomen like. The most common one is the ivy leaf one,
which would be heater a folium. That's very common. It
used to be sold at all the spring flower shows
across the country, but they were wild collected tubers. But
now you can purchase them at micro nurseries and whatnot.
So many parts of the country can grow those, especially

(30:53):
like Seattle, and I'm to Vancouver and the East coast,
probably down to North Carolina where they propagate and they
spread and you'll see pictures in England of them, you know,
underneath a tree. It just spread by because they're spread
by seed. But they so they could handle maybe like
a summer thunderstorm in those areas, but then it dries
out again because you grow them basically like you would

(31:17):
grow any ephemeral wildflower that's in a deciduous forest where
it's basically dry. In the summer, there's a little moisture,
but not like a soaking rain or stain soaking wet.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
I think I know that some collectors and see it
in San Francisco that cover their beds maybe in the
summer if they felt they were getting too wet. Okay,
person to come is a little different though, the floorest
ones we most commonly see, I think that's a little
more challenging. And the hybrid ones they're really bred to be,
you know, a one time deal.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Yeah, so you plant it, you enjoy it, and then
yeah if you if you leave it in there.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
The myths online and we probably horn people if you
just google like what cyclement and you're going to see
you know, some blogs will say, look, you can take
leaf cuttings, and I have no idea what has started,
But you cannot take a leaf cutting, so it's like
something I think they're confusing them asking violence. Oh yeah,
you can't divide the bulbs either there or No. They're
not really abolves, they're tubers. They're all seed rays, all

(32:17):
the ones that you find in the trade, like at
any Florista garden center. They're all seed rays. Maybe a
few of micropropagated, but no one's going to do that
at home. Well, it's a long crop. It's like nine
months to get one to bloom, so that's why they're
often twicy.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah. I remember I was up at a plant production
place here in Fallbrook, plug Connection, and I remember seeing
a cycloman tray and it's so cute, these little these little,
these little mini because they you know, like you said, Matt,
they produce them from seed and this company produces I
don't know if you. Plug Connection is a company that

(32:55):
produces plants from seed and then they ship them out
once they've been needed to growers.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
Finish plug growers. Yeah, that's how they do it. And
I mean that's how they save time. So you know,
like there's a plug grow and a line of grower
and all these basically are different sized pots. So by
the time it gets to you know, your local garden center,
it's probably passed through three or four growers to get
to that point. And sometimes those are done in other countries.
It's a big business now in South America or Africa,

(33:24):
and they're sending them here as plugs. Yeah, but there
are some exciting things with cycling, and there's some amazing
forms coming out. You know, there's super super miniature ones
and there's probably six or seven sizes you can get
now and there, and these are also the floorest once again.
And flower forms coming this year. This week I bought
some they have upright flowers they look like petunias, oh yeah,

(33:45):
yeah yeah. And there's there's heat tolerant ones now for
your area.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
You know. But it's funny because you know, when you
go into like these plug companies, like half the time
you can't ever tell what the plant is because it's
just like this little miniature plant, but a cycloman. It
looks like a cyclobe, but it's just a little baby one,
you know. So it's kind of kind of fun to
see them. And like you said, like the leaves are
amazing on them as well.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
What was the one you brought in here. Maybe it
was a couple of years ago where the it was
a downward facing flower like most cyclement, but the back
of the petals, hey had a particular pattern to it.
Do you remember that.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
I can't remember the name, but Matt, it was like
it was like it was pedaled and it almost like
a like what we would call like a single blossom
flower versus like the cycleman is like a tulip. But
it was just so there's just a lot, so many
unique ones out there nowadays that when you go into
a nursery now it's more than just the red and
the white, right totally.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
The one you're talking about, it just came out a
few years ago from the Netherlands. It almost just like
another five petals on the back, Yeah, in a different color, right, yeah, contrasting. Yeah,
those are fantastic.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yeah, it's so much fun, so much fun stuff, you know. So,
you know, Matt, you know the you know, aside from Cycloman,
this time of year, you know, you you know, there
there are other plants that do bloom in the wintertime.
What are some of the things that that also bloom
this time of year that you know, people can get

(35:17):
excited about.

Speaker 5 (35:18):
Well, primroses are a good one, and primrose is a
huge family. In fact, cyclomen are botanically primroses. They're they're
in primulacea, which seems crazy sometimes to think about, but
they are. But they grow under similar condition. So certainly
in the West coast you'll see a number of species
or like interspecific, like different species crossed together. Permoses that

(35:40):
make great winter plants to plant out, that love cold weather,
certainly hate the hot weather, and again a short bloom period,
but good for masking out or and containers or window
boxes during you know, when you're getting your coolest temperatures.
There's some campanila that you we'll see and small pots

(36:01):
sold now to put in with them.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
And then you know, some other kind of tips and
trips to the tips and tricks, tips and tricks. Since
cyclemen and primrose are kind of very short season, do
you recommend any kind of fertilization or is it just
kind of grow it out and then that's it.

Speaker 5 (36:23):
Yeah, no need to fertilize. They're both weak eaters. Anyways,
A cycleman keeping the greenhouse I repot every five years,
you know, so they're pretty much getting most of what
they need from let's say, rainwater. They're not they don't
need high fertilizer and certainly primos is don't.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
All right, hey, Matt, we're gonna take one more commercial break.
We'll have you on for one more spot here. After
the break, we'll finish up chatting with Matt Mattis after
this commercial and you know, I wanted to put out
there his blog Growing with Plants dot Com, but we'll
get to more of that after the break.

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Speaker 3 (37:33):
Tiger, Yeah, we're just wrapping up the conversation with Matt.
Mattis the senior director of Horticulture for the American Horticultural Society.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
And before I practice makes perfect exactly.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Pronunciation. Before the break, I had mentioned your blog, Growing
with Plants dot Com and oh, are you there, Matt?

Speaker 5 (37:58):
Yeah, my blog, but so you don't add much. I'm
more on Instagram under Matt under slash mattis. But okay,
the blog is still you know, it's fifteen years of
posts on there and I put a few off every
week and Growing with Plants dot Com and.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
One of the I highly recommend one of the spots
to go, and it has nothing to do with plants
on the blog, but you go to the about Matt
section and I love that he's got his professional profile
and bio and then if you keep scrolling down, he
just has more of his like this is me and
who I am profile and bio. And that was a

(38:35):
lot of fun, kind of learning a little bit more
about you, Matt and kind of like what drives you
to do what you do? So you know, that was
kind of fun, but lots of good posts and lots
of good information that you share. And you also have
a few books, right, Yeah, I do.

Speaker 5 (38:51):
I have two, Mastering the Art of Vegetable Gardening and
Mastering Flower Gardening.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
So if you're looking for some information or a good read,
look for those books and Tiger.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
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Speaker 3 (39:16):
Matt, thank you so much for joining us this morning.
Lots of great information. I learned so much more about cyclmen.
They still amaze me, and there's such fun plans to grow.
So I hope everybody learned a little bit as well,
and people will get out there and start buying some cyclemen.
So have a good rest of the weekend and stay
warm out there.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
Huh yes, thank you you guys too.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
Yeah, we will you take take care Matt, Thank you, Matt,
appreciate it very much.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
And there he is, Matt Madnis. Everybody, as we say.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
You know, I'm trying to think I think it's I
could be wrong, but I think it's adel Weiss Perennials
Ada base. Yeah, up in. I think they're in Washington
or Oregon, one of the two. But they mail order
cyclomen and they have a lot of the species that
Matt was talking about. So if you if you google

(40:10):
adelweis perennials, I'm sure you'll find it.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
How do you spell alvice?

Speaker 2 (40:13):
John?

Speaker 1 (40:13):
For those that E D E L, you're right, yeah,
w E I s S big song in the Sound
of Music, you know.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
And adel in German means noble and wece means white,
so it's the noble white flower.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
I wonder why that was a big popular song.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Yeah, right, Well it's the national flower of Austria, right.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
And that's why it was used in the movie Sound
of Music.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Right, Well, that's also a national song if I'm not.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Mistern well nineteen thirty nine when Hitler marched into Austria.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
As long as we're doing international things, I want to
give a shout out to our buddy Histam.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Thank you, Tom. He's one of our most dedicated listeners instance.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Yeah, we really appreciate you listening to us.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Hey, So, if you're a cyclomancor, you keep them in
pots like they don't go into the ground. It seems
like huh.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
You don't have to tell you how tough cyclomen are we.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
You know I.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Probably the same thing happens to a lot of people.
You bring them home, you set them on the kitchen table.
A week later they're dead. Yeah yeah, but instead of
throwing them away, I put those in the ground.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
And feed them to gophers.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
You know I haven't had go by the way.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Now that you bring up gophs, now, we gotta be
careful because when you address this, we have to go
back to your original thought.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, okay, which I've already forgotten. But there were sixty.
I got number sixty this week. Nice, not in one week.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
But like little bells go.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Off, exactly, he's got a little ticker.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Well the there is the little yellow that shows on
the trap. But you know, I think they're finally under control.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Good to hear.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
I mean to the point where I can keep up
with them one at a time.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Yeah, you're not. You're never going to really control. You
can only hope to contain.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Right, kill it's the word you mean, unlive them. Yes,
so you said I can't. We can't use the word
on YouTube. So yes, they're no longer with us.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
But you said so, you plant these cyclemen in your garden.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Well, you know what I found out is around uh,
you know, my son lives in a adu on the
property and around the house is a raised bed and
on the north side of the house there are camellias
which don't mind being dry in the summer either. Uh,

(42:41):
And we just throw the cycle woman in there and
they come back every year. But the funny part about it,
compared to or relating to the conversation we just had,
is that bet is under irrigation and the water comes
on all the time. I would say every day. Wow,
unless we turn it off, and they do. They come

(43:04):
up every year. And I think the key is the drainage.
I was going to say it's probably yeah. I don't
think the heat is a problem because they've gone through
temperatures up to one hundred and nine and as long
as they're dormant, but with good drainage, I think they're okay.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Yeah, So the key is preventing root rot in any
cyclom through the suburb.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
I think drainage is definitely the key. And again those
are cycloman perseycum not you know, some of the species
might be more tender. Yeah, But I remember when we
were with Bruce and Sharon in the Slovenian Alps and
we found the cycloman. First of all, it's a shock
to see cyclom and growing wide.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
I was just going to say that I'd be like
running into a line.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, they and they were the miniature ones. But then
you you know, like there were some that were growing
out of a rock wall ledge in the shade too,
and you know, so you didn't have to get down
on your hands and knees, but you could actually go
up and smell. I mean, the intense fragrance was unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
And were they individual plants in the natural environment or
is it like did you have like fields of them?

Speaker 2 (44:12):
They're so small of it hard to be feeling hard
to be in a field.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
I think they were just little groupings or well since
they came up from seed, like Matt was describing, I
think that they took hold in places where it was
difficult for other plants, especially grasses to take hold, you know,
and then being in more shade, you're not going to
have as many as much competition from other plants.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Yeah, okay, I would like.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
To go back there someday.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
We'd like you to go back there.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Change the subject a little bit. I told you guys,
I wanted to hit this topic. And since we ate topics,
since we mentioned seeds that you know, I had mentioned
that there's a mass phenomenon felling happening in the northeast
right now, and it's the the red oak tree is

(45:09):
having is what's known a masked mass m ast year
where it's they get like eighty five percent of eggcorn
population production.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Well, the squirrels must love that, and they.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Do, they say, they say it creates huge influx of rodents, squirrels,
all the things that eat acorns.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
I think there's a lot of red oaks in Texas.
Oh yeah, I think so.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Yeah, if they're doing the same thing, I don't know.
But it's it's it's a kind of just crazy thing
that when you walk through the forest, they're just all
over the place and they're just falling down hitting people,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Well, it's better than getting hit in the head with
a coconut.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Yeah, right, right circa.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Keith Richards twenty eleven. Well he fell out of a
coconut tree. That was different. You know about that, right,
I remember that? Yeah? But yeah, people, I think there's
a statistic every year how many people die from coconuts.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
Yeah, I'm sure you know.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Yeah, that's kind of a good way to go.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
That would not be a good one.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
What about Bunya Bunya's, Oh dear?

Speaker 1 (46:12):
They played with Duran Duran back in the eighties.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Did you think Banya Bunya?

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Yeah? I think so.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
No, that was the character on The Wiggles.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Hey, Matt was part of creating My Little Pony.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Oh transfor.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Like, He's like, yeah, I just something I kind of
didn't needed money.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Yeah, I thought I didn't make any money. I love
how he said that's not his passion.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
I'm like, man, The one that impressed me that he
worked on was the Ferbie Do you remember Ferbi Furby's.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
That was an eighties thing, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
I think I don't remember nineties.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
I think it was nineties because we had one for
our daughter. Yeah, so what maybe early nineties.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Little that's like saying little creepy gremlin.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
I wanted to work in the nursery, but I couldn't
make any money, so I thought I'd cure cancer.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
So, yeah, cured cancer.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Then I got back into the business so I could
have ford d Yeah, I can afford.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Yes, I could afford my gardening habit.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
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So whatever you can get out of this show, give

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it your best. We have a text question, as I understand, right, Tiger.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
Yeah, from our friend Susan how to store sterile seed
starter mix once opened and is no longer sterile. So
first thing we'll address is I think we've hit this
before is seeds starting mix is sterile compared and people,
you know, go, what that's crazy. It's dirt. How is

(48:12):
that sterile? And it's because, you know, potting soils and
composts and things they have you know, funguses in there
which are which are good, and they have other seed
material in there that might be you know that fun guy,
fun guy, fun fun guy and fung gies.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Now that was when we met Tiger. Somebody said he's
a real fun guy. You'll like that.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
But so so potting soil is not sterile, and it's
not necessarily designed to be steril and shouldn't be sterile.
But when you're starting seeds, you want that nice sterile
environment because you don't want your seeds to develop any
kind of diseases or.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Anything once they're contaminated. That's it exactly. So her question is.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
So seats uh, sterile seed starting soils just been heat treated.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Right, Yeah, so all of the fun guy and bacterias
have been killed, right, but it's still soil in the
sense of what what is in seed starting makes probably
some pummice, some furbar pe moss.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Now with somebody going to ask the question, what is
that the optimum heat, like at what point does it
actually kill?

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Or you can sterilize your own soil like putting it
in the oven, but I'm not going to give any
recommendations for that.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
So so, but Susan's question is, once that bag's been open,
you haven't used it all, how do you keep it sterile?
So how do you keep it to be sterile?

Speaker 2 (49:36):
And just roll the top of the bag back?

Speaker 3 (49:39):
That's one way, you know.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Really is that simpoint? No? It really? Yeah, it's not
sterile in the sense of it has to be sterile
the way that doctors would prepare you for an operation, right.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
Right, you have to vacuum pack it again and all that.
I would say. You want to keep it out of
the element though, too, meaning like stored in a shed
or your garage. Don't just leave it on your backpack.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
But it really is that simple. Just rolling up the
top of the bag and set something on it so
it doesn't underroll.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Yeah, or like paper clip it. If you wanted to
get real fancy.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
You can get one of those potato chip clips.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Yeah see, But if you want to get real fancy,
you can use a large ziploc baggie and keep it
that way. But I think John, you know, is right
that you just roll the bag up nice and tight
like you would have a loaf of bread, clip it
so it stays shut, and then keep it inside. So
like I said, your garden shed, your garage somewhere like that,
you don't want to keep it outside just because you

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run the risk of it, you know, getting filled with
water or a bag cracking, and then you.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Know, keep it away from the elements.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Yes, well, you're gonna have more bacteria or fun guy
growing in the soil if there's moist conditions. So if
you did allow it to become exposed to rain, you're
going to be adding you know, more moisture and be
easier to become unsterile.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Yeah. But I also can say, Susan that they sell
those bags. I mean, anybody that's buying a one point
five cubic foot bag of seed starting mix has got
some work cut out for them. But they smell sell
them in small bags, and you should be able to
just use it all up in you know, one or

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two plantings that you shouldn't have to worry about it.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
John, do you still get seed catalogs?

Speaker 3 (51:34):
No, you don't get Baker Creek still or what are they?

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (51:37):
It's not called the catalog? Is it Bigger Creek the catalog?
I think it's something else.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Baker Creek is the catalog in the name of the
Sea Company, but the website is Rare seeds dot com.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
You miss those centerfolds, don't you? Seed catalog?

Speaker 2 (51:53):
You know, I don't really do much with seed anymore.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
This is centerfold.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
So but you plant seeds of ideas with us.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Ideas is the only thing that I still see. But
I plant rose seeds occasionally.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
And you thinks a good seed, right, A good seed? Right?

Speaker 2 (52:14):
I mean, it's very good seed. It's one of my
favorite people at least. So let's get shorter every year.
Not because I take people off, but because they're no longer.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
With us, is right? Some people do it to themselves
as well.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Yeah, that's true. So let's see here.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
We got a few comments. I think here, you.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Know, I think I might have missed some of them.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Let's go back. Let's backtrack, shall we.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Well, John was just in Newport Beach, was just commenting
about the seeds, starting silently said rolling the tops actually
pretty effective. He says, in medical product design, they sometimes
designed to create circuitest paths so that it's more difficult
for bacteria to find their way into the device. Same

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principle applies when you roll the top of the bag
and secure it. How about that?

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Yeah, right, Tiger's reviewing the show. We're playing the show.
You know the delay is we got quite a delay
here from the time the camera goes on any one
of us. You know how it's about six to eight
seconds before it actually shows us.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
You know how long it took me to learn to
turn that off before the show, And I always thought
it bothered you guys. But I see that Tiger misses it.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Remember over here on my computer, it used to do
the same thing. I just decided not to use the computer.
Instead of worrying about remembering, I just shut it off.
So we got you know.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
I don't think we talked about the Christmas presents. I
got you guys. But I don't think we talked about
the kal lily.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
No, we did not, which I think people, because they
can see it during one of the camera shots, would
be curious to know about that. Well.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
The curious thing about it is white, which I think
is cala Athiopica. Tiger, I'm not sure is the most
common cala, but this particular one and I leave like that.
I still haven't figured it out. But this one, after
it's done flowering, the leaves are striped.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Ye't wait, I know what this is.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
You know, it's not as varigated. It's actually striped. Every
vein is is brilliant and it's just amazing. And I've
always been fascinated. And I've never seen the plant for sale.
Maybe if you do a Google search you could find one.
But this one originally came from a test plant that
was at plant trials, probably trying to think maybe twelve

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years ago.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
And it's a good sized cala too, meaning when I've
seen it at your house, right and it gets like
a good sized leaf. This isn't one of these small
little no. No, they make a lot of these very
ornamental ones, but they're all small plants.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
So here's the good news. I can keep it in
that pot for up to a year before doing any
at least maybe maybe longer. But that's nice. That's going
to go along the sidewalk. That's going to be something
that when somebody walks down they say, hey, what is that.
As a matter of fact, let's give John some credit
here because every year, most years, at least with you
and I Tiger, he'll give us plans that nobody else
really has, or they're rare, like.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
The Australian these roses. No one else has the.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Australian bottle tree. Nobody within one hundred miles probably of me,
has one of those, or maybe ten miles or it
could be a mile, but suffice to say that it's
something rare. And on that note, we're going to take
a break.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
There's a lot of them in the ground at the
San Diego Botanic Garden. Well so maybe people probably don't
grow them on their paddy.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
That's what I'm trying to say. Thank you for that.
We're going to take a break. Two more segments coming
up here in guard in America. We're having a good
time BizTalk Radio, Facebook Live, those on Facebook lives. Still
plenty of time for questions, comments after a break and
more from our friends our sponsors on BIS talk Radio. Okay,

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we have returned that this is the longer segment of
the next two that are coming up here on Facebook
Live and biz Talk Radio. Hopefully you're enjoying things. A
lot of good comments this morning, but yeah, here we go, Tiger,
are you through finaling?

Speaker 3 (56:19):
My I was trying to read there's there's writing on
the can and it's.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Oh, it tells you what it is, right.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
I tried to wipe it off, but I couldn't get
it all off.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Pasadena tournament.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
It was a climbing variety of the rose Pasadena tournament. Okay,
which I killed and so I repurposed the pot.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Now you allowed it to die. That that's how we
like to phrase that.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
No, I pretty much contributed to it.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Did.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Leonard Tiger says that she's got seats for cyclemens, so
when should she plant them?

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Oh, I am that would be.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
I don't know why you couldn't plant them now, but
I'm trying to think of the natural order of things.
Cycle would be blooming now, they would go to seed, and.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Like, yeah, they would go to seed almost now.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
See. My first thought was like you because it's cold
right now? What you were thinking because it's chill?

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Well, I'm thinking that after they're done flowering, they go
to seed and you spread the seeds. So that would
be like early spring. But it depends on the type
of cycle. And you know, the the ones you buy
in the supermarket, right or you know, nurse or garden centers.
If you've if you've had those in large pots or
you've put them in the ground, you'll see that that

(57:38):
flower bud bends over and actually pokes its way into
the ground. And and and we'll start a new place.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
It will it will bury itself. Yeah, yeah, like that's
what it does, right, It's like that natural order is
it actually puts the seed into the ground for itself,
you know. And and to get your question, John, you
you can you hit it where it's like the natural
order of things would be to put seeds in the
ground now or even in the next you know, a

(58:08):
couple months, because that would be the natural time. But
then it also sits there through the whole summer probably right,
and doesn't do anything, and then starts to grow again, Lenore,
you know, right around September October. So is it better
to do that natural cycle or is it better just

(58:28):
to wait till September October and then when the seed
would actually germinate and start growing again.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Yeah, it's not gonna Germany And Lenar lives in canyon country,
so you know it gets pretty hot in the summer, right, Yeah,
And that's not the time of year to be growing
cyclic germinating, So if you wanted to start them now,
I would say go ahead and start for her. The
earlier the better.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Yeah. Veronica commented on the Cali. She said, it's cool,
but not sold. I don't know if there again this was.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
If I can find a picture of this one, because
she's right where, you know, but once you see the foliage.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Yeah, yeah, And I know this was a test ferrati
that never did get an introduced, but there I'm thinking
there could be other variegated leafs out there, right.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Yeah, Tiger, you gave me one. I want to say
a couple of years ago. I believe it was you
in a small pot which I kept for six months
and then transplanted it into a much bigger pot and
it really took off. I'm going to all pack a picture,
sent it to you, John. It's massive, humongous.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Lennar mentions that she's got one. It's flowering like crazy
now too, Brian, you and her autists share a pictures.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
We should share, Yeah, exactly, share our stories together.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
There's there's two really striking photos that I found. Let
me show you, John, which one should I share? So
there's that one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
No, that's what it looks like. That's what it looks like, right,
but I'll show you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Yeah, hold on one second, let me go back because
and then this one. I don't think it looks like
this one though, but maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Oh it does look like that, does it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Really? You've seen it look like that? This is amazing
about So let me put the camera on me. I'm
going to do this right here on Facebook lives that
people can see, and then I'll post a picture of it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
So let people know where to get that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
This is what it eventually will do. Is that striping
leaf kind of variegation with the regular bloom, very dramatic.
Let's see. I found this on Plant Delight Nursery. Oh yeah,
Plant Light Nursery. That's Tony right, yeah, not in the

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stock at the moment. Do you know how to say
do you know how to say the second part of
the name.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
African gold? No, yeah, that's the one. The species I
mentioned Athiopia.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Eight, Theopiica, Yeah, Ethiopica. So it's the African gold calalily
is what what he listed at and it's one of
Tony's favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Does it mention a price?

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
It says, yeah, it did it is? I mean, it
did when I was looking at the other part. Now
it's not. Now things are popping up. Strange is this website?

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
I know? You go Google now and it's thirty six dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
I don't and I can't tell what.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Sider where you don't want to be thirty six dollars.
His plants, I think are usually four inch pots, are they? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
So thirty I can't wait for this to start to
three point five.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
I'm getting more excited as the show goes on looking
at that because the more information we find out about it,
you know, the more detail, the more background.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
I still though, you know, I just haven't had had
them long enough to figure out. When the variegation comes,
we'll figure out, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
And I have like an amazing place for this plant.
And then the other beauty behind these is that if
let's say five years from now, ten years from now,
I need to do something in that area, dig something up,
whatever they transplant, oh you know what I mean, like
so easily. So you know, some plants you really have

(01:02:22):
to think about. Oh man, I've got to I'm gonna
leave this then there for ten years, fifteen years, I
can't touch this like, I got a commitment here and
I cannot move this plant later on. Where with this
one if six months from now, I was like, oh,
I want to move it over to this side of
my herd. It transplants so easy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
You mean, it's not like a bogan villa.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
You can usually divide them to yeah, yeah, if you
want more.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Yeah. So so yeah, they're a lot of fun. I
have the you know, that's the tough thing because you know,
roses are the same way too, because you can move
around those. You just wait till the wintertime, you dig
it up, pop it into another area, and you never.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Because roses have no idea where they are.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
They just they just did.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
So we got some comments on the picture that you post.
Let me Yeah, let's see. Starting with Tanya up in
San Jose says oh no, Let's start with Veronica in
Spring Valley. Veronica says oh wow with one exclamation point one.

(01:03:24):
Then Tanya follows up with wow with five exclamations. Uh.
Masilla says gorgeous with an exclamation point, and John in
Newport Beach puts double wow.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Now are they talking about this or the pictures that
we sent them?

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
I think they're talking about the show, Brian.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
And then there's the the link that we just posted,
was that you Tiger? Okay, Tiger just posted on the
comments section of our Facebook.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Right. And now that you guys know what it is, you
can do go Google searches and see if it's available
from someone that actually has it in stock.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Yeah, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, that is nice.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Uh. Carlos says that Linda and Huntington Beach had a
gorgeous photo of yule Tip Camellia in the newsletter, and yes,
she wants to meet you. So we could maybe set
up a little service here. You know, we are always
looking for different things to add to our our website. Right, Sure,

(01:04:36):
we considered a dating service.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
And no, but that could be part of the little
program we're talking about, right, a little.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
You put people with guarding interests interests together.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Sure, bringing two seed links together.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Propagation. Linda Calas, don't overwinter here for me keeping pots
with a question mark?

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Yeah, she keep pots, but keep them dry in the winter. Yeah,
and put them in, you know, in an unheated garage
or just some area where it's not going to freeze,
right right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Dry like a plumeria in the winter.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Right kind of yeah, I'm drying.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Yeah, kind of like that. Yeah, you're right, but because yeah,
I mean, there's such a fleshy tropical plant that any
kind of cold, wet weather is going to kill it
right away. So you gotta be real coverl with that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
I'm trying to think of the variety. It might be hercules.
Oh yeah, do you know that one?

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
I know that one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
But what he is saying, it's a kaliily An athiopica variety,
so similar to this, except the plant is six foot tall.
Oh yeah, yeah, and has humongous flowers like that big.
So it said, like oh ten inches.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Like a volleyball.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Yeah, size of a dinner plate.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Not that big, Okay, maybe a dessert plate, salad.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
We've got a break coming up here, which means one
more segment.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
That's the last.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
That's it, and we got to get our business done.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Oh my goodness. So I know lots in this last segment.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
I'm all shut up, all right, so we'll take a break.
We have one more segment coming up here. Facebook Live
Biz Talk Radio with your garden buddies, Brian Main, John Begnasco,
Tyger Pala Fox. We thank you for supporting us as
we continue coming back after the break, as I mentioned,
with one more segment here on Garden America. Okay, we
made it to the end of the show, at least
to the final segment here on Guarden America. As we

(01:06:32):
continue to have a good time. Remember we're off for
the next couple of weeks. Back first of the year
will be our first show, but we have many.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
John, it took me a while to get used to
having the show's archived because you said it was a service,
and I always thought of it as evidence.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
I think you're right. I think you're right on both counts.
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Got a question for Brian. Where's that off the wall question? Oh? Yes, yes,
I have Have you ever driven a zamboni?

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
That's Kevin, Yes, Kevin I have years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
What was it like?

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
It was a little interesting because I had no idea
what I was doing at the time, and there's a
specific way to drive those.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Where to get on it. Were you allowed to get
on it?

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Boy? You know me very well, don't you?

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Well you just said you weren't sure what you were doing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Because you could slide into the boards very easily. The
ice is slick, and there's a particular way to drive
it in a certain system they use. That was many
years ago, Kevin, during my hockey days. So thank you
for asking.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Got a lot of people wishing us Merry Christmas and
happy holidays? So are you gonna get Dana a present
to share?

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
We're not sure we're going to exchange gifts this year, really,
you know, we every day is a gift as far
as we're concerned.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
It's a good way to look at it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
You know, we might And she always says, now, don't
you dare? I know we've agreed not to exchange gifts,
but you better not. You know who said, Dana? If
we agree, don't you dare?

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
Yeah, you gotta be careful with that right and gives
them something.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
When you're actually did and she got all mad. They go,
come on, I know you got me something. I didn't.
Come on, I know you did. Where is it? Knowing
full well she didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Maybe that's why she doesn't exchange.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
To answer your question, John, something will happen.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
I like the You know, we all have childhood stories
of growing up during Christmas, right, and and I always
like Brian's stories about how his dad would go out
on Christmas Eve and all the toys that were on
the table, open whatever. He would just go to the
shop owner and say, you know what, I'll give you
fifty bucks for everything.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Well, no, I think the way he put it was,
and you're right. Christmas Eve, downtown San Diego, big table
full of just toys, random toys. He'd say how much
for the toys? The guy would say, well, which one
the whole table? And fifty bucks back then? Pretty good guys. Yeah,
so he'd buy it. When I woke up in the morning.
If if you watched how the Grinstool Christmas and Hooville

(01:09:35):
and all the trains and stuff, I'd wake up to that.
But here's the beauty too, is some of the toys
were rocked down because they were broken. A chip here,
a missing arm, on something or whatever. Didn't matter to
me as a kid. So he got a great deal. Yeah,
he was good. That was That was a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
That's all you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Yeah, that's all you cared about was there was a
lot of them.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
There was a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Exactly. My wife was that way when we were first married.
She didn't care what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
She just wanted multiple You.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Just wanted to open it up. Yeah, yeah, I remember
the first first Christmas we had. I think I wrapped
up a comb, hair.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Brush, something to wrap. Yeah, just something to a comb.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Yeah, yeah, comb or a hairbrush, something like that. Just
a lot of little things.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Yeah, there is something to be said about opening.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
We didn't have a lot of money back then, so no.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
You were just an up and coming couple.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Yeah. I remember living in our apartment in Michigan State
University and and I come home. She'd say, I'd say,
what's for dinner tonight? And she said, well broccoli.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
I thought you were going to say, John said what's
for dinner tonight? And Shannon said yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
She did work at a restaurant, though, one of the
most famous restaurants and in Lansing it was called Jim's
Tiffany place. It was a Greek restaurant I know, is
famous for right right near the capitol. Was famous for
all the Tiffany lamps that hung there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
What is the Tiffany lamp? Like an actual like that
jewelry company.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Yeah, Tiffany's lamps. Not only did they have lamps, if
you had one right now, they're you know, like one
hundred thousand dollars. Like, gosh, it's the Tiffany. Well there's
pedestals too that are collectible. But the shade, if you
saw it, you would probably recognize that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Oh okay, Tiffany lamp bay. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Yeah, it's nice that a lot of people say they're
going to miss us Carlos. Really happy that they shes
Christmas to enjoy. Well, we're gone for two weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Something that you're busy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Oh and uh not a really nice.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
What a nice thing. Hey. By the way, if you
are a subscriber to the newsletter you want to encourage
your friends or are the people that are not, just
go to our website Guardenamerica dot com. I do believe
unless Daniels change things around. It's on the opening page,
the homepage, but you can find it easily and to
click and subscribe. It is free. It is a lot
of good information articles. John does a great job each week. Pictures.

(01:12:13):
You send John pictures and under most circumstances he will
post them. And you'd prefer pictures of plants in anything horticulture.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Right, Yeah, some of them can't be posting.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Right, And that's a different newsletter. Five dollars a month.
Then you get that newsletter.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
Yeah right, oh man.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
We have just over a minute ago. Guys.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Oh man, we don't have another segment after this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Well, you can stay if you want. We'll leave a
camera for you. You know, I have.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
The longest drive of the three of us. And what's
going to happen when I can't find my way home?

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
I think I think that quite often about that drive.
It's a heck of a drive.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Well, I just guess we should take the opportunity then
to thank our listeners for a wonderful year yeah to
chatting with us and in sharing their gardening experiences as
we shared ours with them, And just wish them the
best for the coming year.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
And feel free to recruit other people to watch the show,
join us on biz Talk Radio, Facebook Live, spread the
word right, Well, you're going to be now we know
we're going to be back next year. There was touch
and go through October. We are going to be back
next year.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
And Brian will post his address for anyone who's not
doing anything that wants to join him on New Year's Eve, right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Right, because we're going to put you to work in
the garden. You're going to be pulling weeds. So with
that in mind, thank you so much. As John mentioned,
we really appreciate you. Of course we would not be
on theyre if it wasn't for you. Thank you for
the support to hope you have a great Christmas New
Year's We are back.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Let's see or Hanikah. I'vent sure when Hanakah was.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
January fourth, I think is when our next show. Is
that right?

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Yeah, I think you're right, So we won't see you
until next year. Yeah, have us safe the rest of
your weekend, A great two weeks back on the fourth
of January, and again this is Garden America, Brian Mayin,
John Beg, Nascar, Tiger Pelafox, see you in twenty twenty five.
Take care, be safe,

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