Edible Landscaping with Ed Laivo - Gardening Podcast & Radio Show [1.6.24] - Garden America - Gardening Podcast & Talk Radio Show

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Well, how about that we areon the air once again, broadcasting live
on Facebook. We call it FacebookLive. Our friends on biz Talk Radio
tuned into last week's show. Thankyou for supporting us. I'm Brian Maine.
We've got Tiger Pelafox, John Begnasco, who knew we are back for
the weekend. And as John remindedme before the show this morning, our
first show in the new year,twenty twenty four. Happy new year.

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And with that we talked to myfriend and your friend, Tiger John Begnasco.
Yeah, the first show of theyear. Wow, you were nervous
this morning coming in. I'll gitterateand shaky. That we had about is
as extra coffee. We've been upsince three in the morning. Yeah I
did. I did not sleep inthat's five hours you've been up. Yeah
already. Wow, so we expecta good show out of you. Was

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the sucking up? Was the frostwhen you woke up this morning on your
yard? I no, no,but I have two nights this week according
to the phone to the iPhone,that are going to be in the thirties
upcoming. A few names that areupcoming, right, are going to be
a last night was just forty one, so that's well above frost. Yeah.
What's the coldest you've experienced in Fallbrook? I don't know, but oh

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we've had in all my years,like twenty seven no, twenty snow,
snow on dusting of snow. Yeah, she's twenty twenty seven degrees. You
know all that our friends in Lansingare saying, yeah, exactly, Yeah,
we wish that we had that heat. We admit that we're whissies.
We have a five degree tolerance herein San Diego. Well, the only

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ones that complain about the fact therehasn't been any rain in a while.
And you know, I mentioned onthe last show my evergreen pair as John
pointed out that it's called an evergreenpear was not losing its leaves, but
this week it started. It startedlosing his leaves. There's don't all drop
off now, John, So oneof my old solutions to try to be

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less condescended. But don't Why don'truin it for the rest of us.
Yeah, you can't change up now. Hey, Kim says, it's thirty
two in Tucson. You know,Kim and Kim also mentioned about the big
waves we're having here. Oh yeah, you go out. No, I

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haven't served. No. Now doyou have friends that are doing that?
Or they get too old? Now? Yeah, I know we're all getting
too old for that. I don'tknow. I gotta see. But you
know, the thing with the bigwaves also is that it doesn't always mean
it's good surf. Oh, itcan be very it's very choppy, very
yeah, exactly. Isn't that likea big one hit the ob pier.

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Oh they always hit. Yeah,they got to repair that peer. But
I said no, like totally damaged. They said that last time too.
I know that's what was the finalnail on the coffin going yeah, you
know, anybody, it's going tobe back in San Diego where it's warmer.
He was in Saint Louis visiting family. He's our webmaster for those watching
on Facebook live. You know,regarding that that big surf, in all

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of that, all of that damage, you know, it is a it
is a bummer, you know aboutall that happening when a high tide,
a big swell happens at the sametime, because when it coincides, it
just creates that storm surge effect.And it was funny because you know,
my wife was like oh wow,look at look at this, Look at
what's happening. And you know,Brian, you grew up in PB.

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I grew up a block from theocean, and that's actually kind of a
common thing where like that Mission Beacharea floods every year like we've had over
the years, I mean flooding tothe point where Mission Boulevard people are in
rowboats. Yes, and it's goinginto two businesses. Yes. So it's
like, you know, I mean, I know that there were some areas
that are severely damaged and not expected. That's fine, But for a lot

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of those low lying beach areas,this is something that they deal with every
year when there's a high tide ina swell. You know what's interesting because
what happens when you build your houseblow seat up exactly, you know,
because Alexa wants to tell us everything, right, so we get these nordifications
notification what is it, Alexa,there is a high surf advisory for these
scripts ranch areas, scrips ranch.I'm like, really, twenty five miles

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in the ocean, you're and you'reprobably sitting at an elevation of you know,
several hundred feet, if not onethousand, and nine. I guess
maybe we're considered coastal, right becauseyou have beaches. Yeah, I'm not
sure how far in they consider coastaland then mountains and deserts unless she says
it's the mother of all suit Imean, setting your way. Don't even

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worry about gosh, I cut itout, will you? Hey? Sue
says she's looking forward to a wonderfulyear of gardening, and she said Costa
Rica, yes to twenty twenty four. Yeah, absolutely, still have a
few more seats if anybody wants tojoin on. What are you waiting for?
There's Costa Rica. We're talking Caymansand Volcano and do you know what

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one of the travel magazines just putout that the number one place to visit
in world in twenty twenty fourth CostaRica. We better get it before everybody
else does that. Oh right,we already have our tickets, so we
don't have to worry. It's goingto be a lot of fun. So
if you have anybody that wants togo, we're contemplating, let him know

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what's happening. Best thing to dois go to our website, Gardenamerica dot
com. The entire itinerary is postedevery day, that's right. And if
you're online now watching us, Danielusually posts the link Daniel does to the
Costa Rica itinerary. By the way, Diane in Orange County, we want
to she says good morning to us, and I want to say hi,

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because she's been with us on severalof our trips to Europe. Right right,
we had a great time with Dyane. Hello, gardeners all over the
world from Marina, Ah, Marina. Where's Marina? Marina's in Georgia.
Yeah, Georgia. Yeah, nowthe country it's yeah, no, not
Georgia, north of Florida. Themilitary of Georgia. Wow. In the

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Caucasus Caucus, is you know,speaking of Alexa just quickly here. If
you say Alexa played gard in Americapodcast, you have to say podcast.
I tried, show, it doesn'twork. I just just see all over
the world Alexa podcast Garden America.And she even gives you a reminder.
Really yeah, Hey, hey,this show is notification latest guard in America

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show. So there you have it. With that, I'm going to adjust
the camera during the break. Weneed to see more of you. Yeah,
and we can't cut Tiger Roff likethat, and you know, the
people that are worried about how Tigerwas going to behave his mother just posted
that Tiger's dad's going to Costa Ricawith you. Well, that's more of
a chaperone thing, yeah, becausethe last time you were by yourself,

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it didn't go well. It didn'twork at it all. However, though,
bail is cheap, though you saiddown there, yeah, yeah,
yeah, you know, from myexperience, it's pretty easy to get you.
You know, I have ten bucksI think got you out. But
hey, you know what I didthis week, Hey, to change the
subject, tip back to gardening,but I potted up ninety two one gallon

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rose seedlings and I'm really looking forwardto see what I get this year.
I should have just fantastic bloom thespring. But the reason I mention it
is that, you know, everybodyshould be pruning their roses now in southern
California and in the warm states.If you're in the colder part of the
country. Yes, we know it'scold and it's now, just leave them

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go. But roses, as yougo to prune them, you'll see hips,
ripe red hips. Take those,open them up, get the seeds
out, and plant the seeds andyou will have probably have seedlings coming up,
probably around April, and if youplant them now. I was shocked

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by how easy they how easily theygrew, you know, the seedlings that
you gave us, and how easilythey died. Yeah, that was that.
That's true too. But you know, you know, people might think
like, oh, I'll never getlike, for instance, like a pine
cone. You know, when yougo to harvest a pine cone, it's
actually kind of difficult to get apine treated grow sometimes, you know,

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from seed. But like those rosehip seeds were so easy, so many
of them came up. And thefun thing about it is, as you
mentioned before, you never know whatyou're gonna get, and you can have
some really fun like a box ofchocolates. Yeah, life is like a
box of choc But well, youdid pot up seven of the Manhattan Blue

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seed links, all right, sowe'll see again. Missed out. Yeah.
I like that name, Manhattan Blue. That's kind of a cool name.
And it's a European rose too.You wonder why would they call it
Manhattan Blue. I don't know.But if you are in a cold area
of the country, you can stillgo out and take those hips bring them
in the house, cut them open, get the seeds out, uh,

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and then plant them in like sixinch pots and put the pots back outdoors,
and when the snow melts, they'llcome up a lot of roast seeds
germinate better if they've had at leastsix weeks of cold treatment. Could you
do a short video on that,like, say, within sixty seconds what
you just explained, You could,you know what, I could bring some
pods into the studio here and wecould we could do a little video if

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you want, if you'd like tosee that on Facebook. Let us know.
We've got a couple of minutes untilthe break. But I do want
to get to your quote, John, your quote of the week, ed
Livo is going to be with us. We'll get a hold of it during
the break. But the quote ofthe week, and then there's a picture
in the newsletter I want to discussas well. At some point it's all
good, nothing bad. Well,the quote of the weeks from Jamaica Kincaid,

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and she said, I shall neverhave the garden I have in my
mind, but that for means thejoy of it. Certain things can never
be realized, and so all themore reason to attempt them. That's your
fantasy garden. Yeah, I havea garden in my mind, you know
what. I also liked thom Yesthis song because I do agree with that.
But I also like when you goout to your yard and maybe you

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haven't noticed something in a while andit has done what you wanted it to
do, you know, meaning exactlybush has grown to the size that you
wanted it to grow, or nowthat plant is flowering that you want it
to flower. Because that's a funthing too, is you have to be
really patient with a garden to beable to We got to take a break,
so please be patient with us.Those on BIS Talk Radio a bit

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longer. Those on Facebook Live.We're going to get ahold of d Livo
when we return, it said Livo. And I've got a question about a
picture that John posted in the newsletter. Do stay with us. It is
Garden America. John Begnasco, BrianMain, Tiger Palafox back after these messages
on BIS Talk Radio. Okay,we are back from the break. We
do appreciate you joining us here onGarden America, a little radio in the
Facebook Live show. Been doing thisfor quite some time, so thank you,

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and we appreciate and welcome all newlisteners and viewers here to the show.
It is garding America. Edliva wasstanding by. But first of all,
quickly, I want to go toJohn, and I know Ed's listening
to us here. On hold,you posted a picture in the newsletter of
an olive tree, I believe,right, Yes, And how old did
we surmise that olive tree might be? I think that particular one they were

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saying about three thousand years old?Now, it reminded me of our trip
to Europe in southern France or somepart of France. Yeah, I think
it was arl next to these Romanaqueducts, right, and there was an
olive tree there. Those were athousand year old, one thousand year old
olive trees, and just staring atit thinking of the history. Yeah,

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what it seen, and what it'sdone, and how many olives it's dropped
over the years. Yeah. Anyway, just when I saw that picture of
the newsletter, it harkened me backto that trip, you know. And
it's funny, you know, tobring Ed into the program. You know,
Ed, when I was growing upin the garden industry, you know,
I was kind of taught that treesaged out, you know, especially

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fruit trees. You know, oranges, you know they aged out, Apples
aged out. But that's that's kindof really not the case, right ed,
you know, I mean, youknow, there's all kinds of records
of thousand year old fruit trees,and you know, the original fruit trees
here and there, and you knowthey still produce fruit pretty well, right

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yeah, me, sure, yeah, you bet there are. I'm not
sure about a thousand years tiger,but I think thee is going to be
rare for a peach. I thinkthe record on a pear tree, if
I recall as a pear tree,that's oh somewhere in is it Eastern Europe?

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Anyway, it's about either I forgetnow it's six hundred or eight hundred
years old. But that's the recordfor a stone fruit. Yeah, that's
not really a stone but anyway,I was up in the Sierras back,
oh, I don't know, probablyten fifteen years ago, looking at all
the the or not looking at all, but looking at a number of the

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places of pioneers that had actually plantedorchards up there, and some of the
best looking of those old one hundredand thirty year old orchards were the pears
as a matter of fact, andapples though they looked degraded, and you
know, they still produce fruit,so you know they're here in California as

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well. I mean, yeah,there's examples all over the place. I
mean, there's the parent Washington NavalOrange down in your area. But you
know, as an example of longevityand fruit, but I mean, and
we're only talking, you know,modest longevity in that case, but nonetheless
longer than me or I'll be around. Yeah, well, Tiger, when
we were in Europe, we sawwas it at Rudyard Kipling's house, we

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saw some of the original apple treesthat were in his yard. Yeah,
yeah, no, we did.And you know, I mean it's it's
amazing to be able to kind ofsee because you know, I mean,
growing up, I was always taught, oh you know, you know,
a citrus, an apple, youknow, ten fifteen years and yeah,
you might want to replace them orsomething, but you know that's really because
you're in the retail nursery. It'sexactly got to turn them over. Well

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you're supposed to say that in theretail nursery, right, yeah, right,
yeah, Yeah, that's a that'sa part of the quota. Well,
we didn't formally welcome ED to theshow. Yeah, it was going
to kind of eased into it.And I know we have a lot of
listeners and viewers who or maybe notbe familiar with Ed. Ed just quickly
a little bio on yourself and bringus up to day and what you're doing.

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Little bio. I was for cryingout loud, well, I think
I'm going on my you know,forty fifth year in the nursery industry and
I'm officially quasi retired. I'm notsure what that means yet. You know,
of course, the commercial industry ishaving quite quite a bunch of,
let's just say, tough times,and so consequently the company I was working

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for, Virtual Nursery, wonderful companyas laid off half of their employees.
And so I was amongst that youdon't need a sales manager if you're not
selling anything. And that's actually goingthrough the entire you know, commercial side
of the industry. It's it's adevastating period for everybody. So I would

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encourage ever to have some sympathy inthat regard. But my background is,
you know, I start in theretail way way back when I was for
just a couple of things. Iwas a manager of one of the larger
retail nurseries in the estate, helpedbuild it, and that was the Urban
Tree Farm up in Santa Rosa andstill a wonderful operation with very very close

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friends of mine. Went to workfor a company called Oaky Nursery at your
time, had three nurseries throughout theWest Coast and I was the out of
state sales coordinator and built their fruittree program and perennial program at the time.
Then I went to work for alow company called Dave Wilson Nursery and
spent eighteen years, almost nineteen yearsat Dave Wilson Nursery, working with just

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a wonderful crew and group of people, and still I'm very close with all
of them. Then I went towork for another well, I'll skip that
one. And I went to workfor a company called Poor Winds Growers and
a wonderful group there as well,and worked with Citrus for about five years
or so, and then went outon my own for a couple of years
with Edible ed Able Solutions and stillhave that. And then I went to

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Birchill So and then this big layoffthat's gone on, you know, it's
kind of put me back in aposition where, you know, I'm an
older gentleman and I don't necessarily needto work, and I'm actually exploring,
you know why, I still enjoy, you know, producing my videos.
So on Edible Solutions, I'm stillproducing videos and I don't know, you

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know, my videos are kind ofquirky, but you know, they're fun
for me, and that's all thatI'm concerned about right now. And then
I'm still doing lectures on books forlectures to the exact. I've got an
Annie's annuals coming up on January thirteenth, but old friends of your program and
that's the Hodges Nursery. I'll beup at ken so a place with Shelley

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and on the twenty, i thinkon the twentieth, and then again I'm
going to go up and help themout on the seventeenth of February. Hey,
Ed, I got news for you. Ed. That's not retirement.
Yeah, if that's retirement, andhate to hear sounded, you know,
for me it is somewhat. Andthen plus I'm booked for all kinds of

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teaching Master gardener programs, which Ireally enjoy. I enjoy working with young
people and enjoy working with people thereare going to you know, of course
support and help, you know,promote our industry as well. We have
one of our one of the listenersthat's posting online is in the Bay Area,
so that's good to let them knowthat you're going to be at Annie's.

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There. Is it Richmond where theyare? Yeah, they're in Richmond,
right, Yeah, you know it'syeah, it's a great operation Annie's.
I've worked with them for years andthey're a wonderful group to work with
and we always get a great turnoutthere. So you know, it's I'm
not interested in kind of pursuing,you know, any kind of lectures.

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I think I'm going after just thingswhere I can know I can be a
benefit right now and you know therest of the time, I'm I bought
a new house. I'm working onmy new house. I moved out of
the Bay Area and in back intothe valley, back in the modesto to
be close to my next grandchild,which is just outstanding. So hey,
life is good man. It's yeah, you and John over here kind of

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running side by side. Hey,Ed, we're gonna have to take a
break right now, but when weget back, we want to get chatting
about some of the things that webrought you on the program for. And
that is the time of year thatthis is the stone fruits, the time
of year to look out for themand start planting them and take care of
them. So when we get back, we'll keep chatting with Ed Livo,
which also means those on Facebook Livea great opportunity to ask your questions to

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Ed talking Fruit talking a lot thismorning. So we're going to take a
break for BIS Talk Radio, butwe do encourage your questions here on Facebook
Lives to douce day with us aswe take a break. This is Garden
America, BizTalk Radio, Facebook Live. Welcome to twenty twenty four Garden America.
Back from the break. We trustyou had a good break. Those
on BIS Talk Radio, those onFacebook Live. I do want to thank
Stephanie her team on the BizTalk Radioand TV network for keeping us on the

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air each and every week, prerecorded show one week behind, So thank
you for tuning in back on FacebookLive. We are ready to go ED
live always with us Tiger and againthose on Facebook Live. As you listen
questions comments. We do certainly welcomethose. Yeah, and we're chatting with
Ed Livo with Ed Double Solutions.So you know, right now, as

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we started the program, John hadmentioned over here Ed that it's the time
to start cutting back the roses forthe people here on the West Coast.
This is kind of our coldest timeof year, so it's also a great
time of year for people to takecare of their deciduous trees and also plant
their bear root trees that are cominginto stock and all the garden centers here

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in southern California. What are somethings that people can do right now that
if they have those deciduous trees thatthey need to be thinking about. Well,
if you have them, then youknow, I hope that you've done
your homework in terms of you know, of course, I just posted a

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video to yesterday on just some simpletips on like, for instance, number
one reason people whose fruit trees isdrainage. Poor drainage, and knowing your
drainage is really really important before youstick that fruit tree in the ground.
Second is exposure. You know alot of times people will actually favor the

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this is my personal belief, favorthe afternoon sun as opposed to the morning
sun. I want to see eighthours of sunlight on anti fruit variety,
and I want to see it gettingthe morning sun first, because that's the
drying sun, that's the sun thathelps us avoid diseases, and the afternoon
sun is the burning sun that tendsto be the one that causes all of
our sunburn and damages to trees.And so you know, favoring that morning

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sun is always a good idea.Next would be becoming familiar with what your
climate zone is. You know,I like to recommend the USDA Zone map.
Just take a look at it,sign out what your climate zone is
so that you know what it is. And then kind of become familiar with
chill requirements so that you understand whatvariety you're looking for that's going to be
appropriate for your area. Then diseasesand pest. I think it's always important

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to know what diseases and past mayhave, may be be a concern with
the tree that your person, thevariety you're purchasing, so that you can
kind of prepare prepare yourself to addthat to your you know, your maintenance
care or concerns. And then last, you know, and this tiger you
love this one. The last oneis always select a nursery that has good,

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knowledgeable fruit tree people on staff andare knowledgeable about the area that you're
planting it. So I'm becoming veryvery specific about that because I think,
you know, you want good information, you've got to go to places where
people are experiencing the challenges and youknow the rewards and then get that information

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firsthand. So I I really thinkthat that's a that's another So those are
my those are my quip tips inreplacing your fruit trees every five years.
Rights right, Remember at the retaillevel, you know, I've always been
a firm believer that we're dealing witheighty five percent novice gardeners and so consequently,

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our ability to make them successful isalways going to be, you know,
our reward and having them be consistentcustomers. And I think that's important
to know. Yeah, and youmentioned, you know a good point about
shopping for the trees, you know, reliable information because you know, we
live in a world now where youknow, everybody is selling products, and

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you know, some of these boxstores will just bring in something that they
can feel as popular, but itmight not be exactly great for your area.
And so you walk in and think, oh, you know, I'm
I'm in San Diego. Look atthey're selling cherries here. I'm gonna have
a cherry tree. And meanwhile,there's only maybe two varieties of cherries that
actually grow here in Sandia. Well, you know, I just went to

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an independent uh out let and Iwon't mention their name, and they had
gooseberries, and I don't. Idon't think gooseberries do. Gooseberries aren't going
to do well down there, notat all. Yeah, But you know,
keep in mind, though there isa there is a you know,
when I say that eighty five percentoffice gardeners the fifteen percent advanced Gardener's John
Bagnasco. They they tend to bethe ones that take those challenges and want

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to look for those varieties and wantto challenge you know, the do you
know what you're talking about and orprove you wrong? You know, I
mean, it depends on you know, who you're talking to, what the
level of you know, of humilityis. But I think that in looking
at having availability to that, youknow that may very well be the stuff

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that should be online. You knowthat you should shop for online. You
know, those fringe varieties, andthe independent should have all the great varieties
that are the you know, thecommodities, and they should also have all
the new fringe variety, the fringecommodities that are coming in, the new
and exciting things, because you knowfirsthand. That's where you know, of

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course the customer. And I agreewith you, Tiger one hundred percent.
You need to take and get outof the minutia of information that's out there
right now, not just the boxstores. The box stores only put it
on the ground and you've become avictim. But you get online and you
start sifting these different you know,websites, you get all this kind of
crazy information man, where you know, you come in with some notions that

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you know you can you know,grow papias and you know, ready,
hey, ed, Lisa who's watchingthe show online, has a question.
She wants to know what the bestway is to keep from getting shot.
Well, stay in the bad neighborhoods, I think, oh wait, wait,

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the rest of it was and damagefruit on her appercut. Well,
you got to you gotta first askyou know where you're at, you know,
because you know, if it isshot of a fungus, that we're
dealing with shatle fungus to me,is not necessarily a critical problem. It's
an aesthetic problem quite often, andyou know, of course you can take

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care of that with different sprays.I always recommend that you get a relationship
going with your local bag extension serviceso that you support them and at the
same time get proper information as towhat chemicals are recommended, especially relative to
your particular feelings about how you wantto grow your fruit. If you're organic,
you want to have organic, ifyou want to have if you want

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conventional, conventional, you know,it doesn't matter, just that you're putting
out the effort to control that.But shuttle fungus is probably pretty common in
pruness, especially when you start goingnorth of save Resno hey ed in regarding
that also. I mean, whenit comes to the biggest questions for your

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fruit trees across the board, it'salways having to do with production. You
know, oh I had great production. I had great fruit last year,
and this year I had terrible fruit. So let's say let's say that people
did do their homework and they founda variety that is supposed to grow well
for them, you know, andlet's say that you know, it's a
mature tree. What what are thevariables that affect production the most? And

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is it Is it true people arehaving these great producing years and then poor
producing years or do they just notrealize that they're all they're all the same.
They just think it's good or bad. No, you know what,
I think it's the latter. Ithink it is. You know, there's
good years and bad years, man, and it's always it's always a challenge,

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you know, relative to weather aswell. So last year being a
great example. I mean, wehad probably the latest harvest of fruit in
many cases and many genres you know, across the board, and uh and
and some people you know didn't getfruit at all because you know, I'll
give you an example. I mean, every single one of my pluots were

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blooming like crazy in early March whenit was pouring, and I mean,
Flavor Supreme was just a wash.I hardly got any queens and I usually
get abundant queens. And the kings. The kings came through and dappled Dandy.
I don't care what you do toDapple Danny. It always produced through.
So you know that's I think it'syou know, so often it's weather

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related and whether that weather is let'ssay, inadequate chill, so you just
don't get enough hard dormancy in theand I'm a I'm a real advocate of
dormancy being primarily a concern from Decemberto mid January, and after that all
bets are off. If you don'tget you know, an accumulative number of

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chill hours before January fifteenth, you'reout of luck. You know. Anything
after that to me doesn't doesn't makeany difference at all, especially in California.
That might different in Missouri. Soyou can do your best job pruiting,
brass job fertilizing, you can haveestablished tree, but if that weather
isn't working out, no matter whatyou do, it's going to be poor

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production year. Huh oh yeah,you know. And then you've got all
those different challenges with alternate bearing varietiestoo, in Apple's, you know,
avocados, Mandarin's. I mean,there's so many different nuances. And again,
if we're dealing with that eighty fivepercent Novice Gardner, keep in mind,
you know that that's the person that'sgoing to ask that question and have
that concern right away because they expectthat thing to be producing every day of

(29:30):
the week all summer long. Yes, every year. Hey, Ed,
we're going to have to take anotherbreak. A lot of fun chatting.
When we get back from the break, let's start talking about some of the
new things that people can be plantingand how to plant that. Yeah,
you bet in, John. Coupleof questions when we return, right,
we do. We have a coupleanswers coming with us. Questions so fully,

(29:52):
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(30:15):
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our guest and John, do wewant to get to those questions quickly?
Yeah? Ed, you can answerquestions just about anywhere in the country,

(30:37):
I think, but you yeah,you do really good on national but how
about international questions? Because this onecomes from Marina in the country of Georgia.
Okay. And she says that sheplanted an almond tree and the variety
is called Supernova. I don't knowif you're familiar with that one. Yeah,

(30:57):
I am, okay, and sheplaneted it at her summer house,
which is eighteen hundred feet or sixhundred meters above sea level, and the
breeder told her that it's too highfor almonds. So last winter she covered
her almond tree and it was fine, but this winter she decided not to

(31:21):
cover it. So she wants toknow do you think it's going to survive
the winter? They have temperatures atnight about twenty degrees below zero or yeah,
yeah, negative twenty centigrade celsius.But it's only for one to two
weeks that it'll get like that.Well, let me tell you this,

(31:41):
Okay, twenty greens below zero forten hours will kill an almond tree.
Now you're talking about fahrenheit or centigradefahrenheit? Okay, because she's centigrade oh
celsius. All right, do theman real quick? Yeah, not good
at that at all. Sorry,yeah, so what is that? Yeah,

(32:07):
tigers do a conversion, right,Tiger is going to look on his
computers. Tiger, there you go. But we are showing we are American
right now, aren't we converting tofahrenheit? I'm impressed that marine asked her
question in English. So negative twentycelsius my my niece in Norway all the

(32:28):
time. And just use the translatorthing his negative four degrees, okaya,
forty four, just for just forjust for negative four, negative four,
I mean, you know, negativefour and like below. Let's say,
all almost can start getting hurt,even even the oh gosh, what's the

(32:52):
name, that's bitter almond halls hallshearty. Even a half hardy is probably
going to start getting damaged somewhere aroundzero, so you know, I mean
really severely damaged. And and Idon't believe the supernova is an exceptionally hardy
variety. I think that's a generalomen so yes, it will be damaged.

(33:14):
And you said it minus four,that would still be like you said,
ten hours is going to wipe itout. Yeah, well, not
wiped out, but let's just sayit's severely damaged. I mean, you
know, and the difference between thatis what kind of cold it is,
because remember, you know, there'sdifferent kind of colds. You know,
there's a coal that is, youknow, where the humidities are high,
and you know, you get thatthat that moisture level that goes around and

(33:37):
freezes and sometimes even protects, butthen you get that dry cold, that
dry cold, that desiccating cold.Forget it. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Cannot take that at all. Andh and Marina did say the breeder
told her that it was too coldthere, so she always tried, but
she you know, she protected it, covered it up the year before you

(33:59):
know it was Yeah, so she'sgoing to try to live rob it there
goes you know, I mean,look at if you take a lot of
the subtropicals out of southern California andbring them up north, what's the first
thing that you have to do ifyou want to be successful, You got
to protect them. So you knowit, and again you're talking about that
adventurous fifteen percent. You know ofour of our of the gardening base that

(34:22):
actually would even take on a challengelike that, But the others should be
forewarned that that probably won't work.And I would like to see them directed
towards things that actually are going tobe more successful, so their experience starts
off and we turn them into thatfifteen percent more a dance gardener. Yeah,

(34:43):
yeah, good point. Rick,and Star Idaho wants to know how
often you should fertilize fruit trees.Oh for krd of loud, Tiger's gonna
hate me on this one. I'mnot just fertilizer, you know, you
know it depends always in are okay. I know, Star, Well,
you know the first thing you wantto do is do a soil test to

(35:05):
determine whether or not you have thenutrient deficiency at all. But I think
all at all the best thing youcan be doing up in Idaho. And
I have a lot of experience inIdaho. I've had the privilege of working
with the university up there as well. My thought would be mulching, you
know, consistently mulching, creating youknow, that top layer of organic matter,
getting that, you know, apart of the the feeding system.

(35:30):
Let's call it for the that routefor the feeder roots of of your fruit
tree, and also protecting it,you know, during the winter time too
as well. So mulch to me, in the long term is going to
be the biggest contributing factor in Idaho. But that does take time, you
know, in essence, But asoil test then would tell you whether or
not you really have a nutrient deficiencythat you need to be concerned about.

(35:52):
And Idaho has all kinds of otherchallenges that may very well and kind of
accimulate a you know, a nutrientdeficiency when in fact it's you know,
something else. And I agree withyou, Ed, I mean, when
it comes to fruit trees, youknow, rather than thinking about fertilization,
you should be thinking about soil quality. I mean, when you first started

(36:13):
off talking about fruit trees, youtalked about drainage, you know, And
one of the biggest problems here insouthern California is that we have heavy clay
soil. And so when people planttheir trees and then they have problems down
the road or they rot or youknow, they have disease, a lot
of it has to do with becausethey're you know, in poor draining areas,
and if you moult or if youuse fertilizers that are more geared towards

(36:36):
amending the soil that they're in toimprove that drainage, to improve that ability
for the roots to move through it. That goes way above and beyond the
NPK value of anything that you're goingto put on it. Right. Yeah,
Yeah, I'm particularly I'm particularly concernedabout, you know, the winter
drainage, because the winter drainage,unfortunately, you know, is the one

(36:58):
that really is going to critically callthe damage to the root system. Then
exactly what happens is in the springwhen the tree leaves out and kind of
wilts a little bit, what's thefirst thing people want to do? Water
on it? And so, youknow, we exacerbate existing problems just simply
because we're not really familiar with whatyou know, is actually happening, the

(37:20):
physiological things that are happening with theplants. Millie and Napomo says that her
neighbor's coast live oaks starting to shadeher citrus trees. She goes, I
think this isn't a good thing,Is she right? Well, I'll tell
you what if I'm not as concernedabout shaded lemons and limes and things that
really don't require sugar, you know, as their primary taste. But definitely,

(37:45):
you know, it's going to bea problem for things like mandarins and
oranges and you know, those thingsthat are going to you know, really
require high sugar or to get thequality of that fruit. Yes, it'll
be challenged as that tree gets moreand more shaded. Hey, Ed,
we're gonna have to pause for anotherquick second, take a break. When
we get back, we'll continue chattingwith Ed Livo. Yes, indeed,

(38:05):
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(38:28):
whether it's the entire show or justchecking in every now and then. That's
okay too. Those on BizTalk Radiopre recorded show from last week those on
Facebook Live This is Live, EdLivo bringing it this morning, no doubt
about that. John. Yeah,you know what, I got a question
here from Lila and Poway and Inever heard of this, so maybe Ed

(38:49):
knows. She's says she can't finda Lilah avocado in southern California. I
never even heard of Lilah avocado.Huh, I never have either. There's
a there's a number of new varieties, as I'm sure you're aware out here.
Yeah, yeah, but and someof them I haven't even had,
you know, the privilege of tryingyet. So but I've heard great things.

(39:10):
It's amazing how often you know,yet new varieties of avocados where everybody
just goes nuts about how good theyare, you know, and then you
know, when you finally have them, you find out, Okay, it's
good, it's okay. Do youknow anything about a queen avocado? Yeah,
Queen, I've heard us, becauseI'm getting ready to plant one of
those, and I heard really goodthings about it. Just same thing here.

(39:37):
Who knows until you try it?Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah
right, and you know, andit's going to be a few years before
you get that. Well, yeah, yeah, right, Hey, Ed,
you know, a couple of questionsback, somebody had asked about oak
shadying a tree and you had said, you know, you were more concerned
about the the trees that require sugarproduction. Now, another thing you know

(40:00):
that you know you mentioned earlier isyou know, full sun, morning sun
is important for you know, alot of our producing trees. Now will
shade also affect production or is itmore just the quality of fruit? Because
you know, when you're driving upthrough the Central Valley, I mean,
yeah, there's there's feet, youknow, acres and acres of these citrus

(40:22):
groves and fruit tree growth. Butthey're large trees and they shade a lot
of this's you would think you wouldthink that they would be more exposed.
But I mean does so is shadeof the tree as critical towards production or
is not that big of a deal. You know, I'm going to speculate
on this on this one and saythat it's not as big a deal.

(40:43):
And the reason is, specifically,what you're saying is that when you think
about the blossom time on many varietiesfruit, aside from avocados and aside from
you know, citrus. But ifyou think about you know, the citrus
varieties. You know, they're bloomingat a time when there's a leaf on
the tree and so consequently the flowersare fully exposed. But keep in mind

(41:04):
when it comes to fruit production,you know, what's the what's the thing
you want to you know, openthe tree, Open up the tree for
sunlight, make sure you've got plentyof sunlight penetrating, you know. And
with citrus, you know, Ithink that it's you know, it's a
heat factor too. You know,that's that's important as well. So you
know, getting that tree because becausein many cases, I mean up in

(41:27):
northern California, you know, wewait for the cold to be able to
take and get you know, thebest flavor out of you know, let's
say, of Washington naval orange,whereas down there, I think it tends
to be more heat related. AndI don't know what the physiological difference is,
but you know, we can't pickan early Washington Nabel in Northern California.
It's got to get a little bitof chill on it first, Okay.

(41:51):
Yeah, And I mean I knowheat is a big deal when it
comes to grapefruit too, I mean, you know, so yeah, you
know, more so than the sunor the shade. It could be the
temperatures that you know you're operating at. Yeah, and great fruit you got
to remember too, right, becausegrapefruit you got to remember too, is
is not a you know, particularlysweet variety of fruit as well. So
again, you know, what's thephysiology that actually contributes to the uh to

(42:16):
to the fruit quality? And shadein my experience has always been a limiting
factor for whatever reason. I can'tI couldn't explain that a physiological, you
know level, But just from ayou know what you call it, anecdotal
level, I can say yes.Ed Carla in Huntington Beach says that last

(42:38):
year after Christmas, rather than throwit out, she chopped up her Christmas
tree and used it as mulch aroundher citrus. And she's planning on doing
it again and she wants to knowif that's a good thing, and she
wanted you to know that it iswas a live tree, not artificial.

(43:01):
Artificial trees make great malts. Well, uh, you know, yeah,
I think it's great. Absolutely.I mean, you know, you see
studies years ago that said eucalyptus andwalnut and all those other things, you
know, that have aleiopathic you know, which is which is they'll bind up
nutrients and things in the soil ifyou put them on the surface, are

(43:21):
fine. You know, they justbreak down and you know, they provide
exactly what you would expect. Mostdidn't. Didn't you just send me or
maybe I saw it about an articleabout how they just came out with that
that you know, people always said, oh, you know, you put
pine at the bottom of your yourplants and you're going to adjust the pH
and you know, all that stuff, and they found it. No,
it's not true. It's it breaksdown and it neutralizes, and you know,

(43:45):
it's it doesn't affect the pH atall, or it doesn't affect the
acidity you know, at all inthe soil. So I think pine malts
is great. Yeah, Southern California, that's what they're saying is definitely use
it so well. And that usedto be the that used to be the
misunderstanding about oak leaves mulch up hereas well. You know everybody, Oh,
yeah, you put most oat leafmulch on and that's gonna you know,

(44:07):
adjust your pH down. And thatcouldn't be further from the truth.
Yeah, No, it's just goodto good to amend the soil. Like
you said, you know, goodmulching, you know, make all the
difference when it comes to your fruittrees, your orchard or your gardens,
and consistent, you know, theone thing about you just don't mulch and
then walk away from it. Youknow, every year you put more on
more on more, and whenever youknow, you put you know, good

(44:30):
good layers get build up that layers, those layers of mulch. Yeah,
good point. That's always surprised meabout California because being from the Midwest,
Uh, you can go sometimes youcan go in the spring to gas stations
and they're selling bags of mulmult yeahyeah, yeah. And if anywhere doesn't

(44:51):
need it, it's probably the Midwest. Yeah, it's so true, right,
yeah, But you know in southernCalifornia just people don't mulch enough.
I don't think you can overdo itunless maybe the mulch is too fresh and
it's still hot. Yeah. Yeah, I don't even know if that's a
problem, but I think I thinkI agree, I'd avoid that. But
overall, John, I think it'sa problem on the in California in general,

(45:15):
not just in southern California. It'sa problem up here. When I
first started lecturing on mulch, andprobably around probably nineteen eighty eighty one,
you know, it was considered hippiescience. It was it was completely rejected,
and I had the worst time tryingto take and convince people, you

(45:36):
know that, hey, no,it's not hippie science. It's actually something
that we abandoned way back in thebeginning of the nineteen hundreds as pis chemical
science started to come in as amore what do you call it, a
traditional factor, and we're having alot of trouble shaking that. Yeah,

(45:58):
I think it just went back tolike you know, in the petro chemical
companies. They they they said,here, here's an efficient and effective way
to do this. And you know, because moultch is, like you've mentioned,
it takes time, you know,I mean, it has to break
down, it gets into the soiland all that. So they were like,
hey, here's a pill basically togive your plants this product. And
you know, while we're finding outthat, you know, maybe that's not

(46:20):
the best way to do it here. But mulching, no matter what I
mean, I mulch my yard twicea year and the results I see after,
you know, just the plants afterI do it. It's it's amazing
to see how the plants react justafter it's been done. And you don't
even do anything different. You know, all I did was drop down multch,
and your plants react. I go, I go as far as say,

(46:45):
I do a lot of things different. You know, when once that
moultch gets established, what number one, I use less water. Number two,
I'm fertilizing, you know, OrI'm concerned about nutrient being a culprit
in distoleration or something like that,a far less because those things become,
you know, a supporting factor.And so I'm more inclined to say,

(47:07):
yeah, I'm doing less, butI'm I'm doing less in a real let's
just say, what do you callit? A maintenance way? Or there's
a better word, but I can'tfind it right now. I can't.
Well, less maintenance, but butbetter quality, better quality within that less
maintenance. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And you know, and I subscribe

(47:31):
to this book that I read yearsand years ago. It's called cal Fruits
by doctor Wixson. It was writtenand I believe nineteen nineteen, nineteen seventeen
and I read that book and itchanged my whole perspective on things. I
read that book back in probably nineteenseventy nine, nineteen eighty, given to
me by a friend. And youknow, it's funny because the book reads

(47:54):
why Hippie Science. We're gonna haveto pause again for a quick break and
we'll get back with con and youchatting with Ed Livo. You betcha thank
you for those tuned in on BizTalkRadio, Facebook life. As Tiger said
back after these messages, more ofEdlvo after this Sun Guarden America, stay
with us. Hey, how aboutthat we have returned from the break Garden
America. We are going strong,first show out of the shoot for twenty

(48:15):
twenty four and then what better wayto you know, start off on a
very positive note with a lot ofenergy, Ed Livo bringing it this morning,
Tiger. Yeah, and you knowEd's joining us, you know,
because of his vast experience and knowledgeexactly vast of fruit trees and deciduous trees

(48:36):
and plants in general. And youknow, Ed, in the beginning of
the show, you mentioned your programthat you put together Edible Solutions. How
is it that people can get ahold of edible solutions is it edible or
at abel at a bull? Andthen my son, you know quick,

(49:00):
he said, oh no, yougot to add D And I was toying
with that because Edible Solutions Gone wasnot available. But anyways, I'm just
you know, I've got what doyou call it? A Facebook page,
and I've got an Instagram page,and I've got a YouTube page, and
I post video. I just postedthat video on on planting tips or or

(49:22):
planning on purchasing of fruit tree tips. I just planted or posted that yesterday.
And you know, it's like Isaid, it's an environment for me
to play in right now. AndI'm kind of searching for what how I
want to start representing this type ofinformation. I want to do shorts,
you know, so I want tobe in that ten to fifteen second,

(49:45):
you know category. And of coursethat video I posted yesterday is somewhere in
the forty second category. You cango sixty so so on Facebook, Instagram,
YouTube. If people were to serveed able solutions, that's that's how
they're going to find your videos.That's how going to find your content,

(50:07):
that's right, yeah, yeah,And I mean all this stuff that we're
talking about I'm sure you've already coveredbecause you've been doing that, like you
said, for years now, soyou have you know, in those in
those medias, you've had a databaseof different videos on different topics, different
problems, solutions to go with thoseproblems that people can you know, keep

(50:31):
in mind, we started producing videosat Dave Wilson before we could embed them
into the Internet. That wasn't availableto us when YouTube came around. I
mean, we just, i meancame right up and got on YouTube right
away, and I think I challengedmy staff to produce one hundred videos that

(50:51):
first year, and my staff justkind of went hat what But man,
we we I mean, we putdown a ton of videos, and we
really experimented a lot with videos,you know, at Dave Wilson, myself
and and Tom Spellman and and MikeTomlins, and you know, we experimented

(51:12):
a whole bunch and had a ball, and we're doing stuff that nobody else
was doing at the time. Sothere's a lot of you know, my
my productions are there. As soonas I hired Tom, Tom's a one
take wonder and so I was ableto get out from in front of the
camera and uh, and Tom's donesuch a wonderful job through the years.
Yeah, yeah, Hey, headback to quickly back to Idaho. Rick

(51:35):
wants to know if there's any newvarieties of fruit trees that you really really
like. Well, I'll tell you. I'll give you a couple for Idaho
that I think you know that shouldbe you know, cried up there.
And one of them is probably goingto be a little bit more difficult to
get now that virtual nursery is aboutout. I'm doing my best to get
those nurses, these wonderful brtual nurseryvarieties into the hands of a popular grower,

(52:00):
And I can't say who right now, but there is somebody that'll be
able to get them networked into theindustry. But two that I'd recommend for
Idaho would be two apple varieties,And one would be the Ginger Gold,
which I've always found to be awonderful, yellow, delicious type apple.
And the other one is the KingDavid, which is an Arkansas black on

(52:22):
steroids, has all the qualities ofArkansas black, but you need it directly
off the tree without having to wonderwhether or not your fight will sacrifice your
teeth. Now I'm wondering if Ithink I talked to Tom about that,
and I think he told me thatKing David would even grow in southern California

(52:44):
Or am I misremembering that, No, no, it will. Tom tested
all those down at the Cervine,and I think King David was amongst those.
King David an old apple, youknow. And of course ginger gold
goes back a ways as well.I love people who tell me, oh,
yeah, I've tried that ginger cold. It's wonderful. I can taste

(53:06):
the ginger in it. Well,actually it's named after the guy who discovered
its Why shame on you? Yeah, really, you know, you know
what is it that they say?You know, most of taste is your
eyes and you know your mind already, Yeah, going into it. Yeah,

(53:28):
are we doing, John? Andwe caught up. It's still a
wonderful apple. Lisa mentioned that peopleshould try Four Winds Nursery because they ship
and I've bought a lot of stufffrom Four Winds, a lot of cool
variety of stuff that Four Winds isgreat. And you know, they've done
a wonderful job with their deciduous program. And keep in mind that, you

(53:49):
know, they're one of the fewcitrus nurseries that actually ship still as well.
With Virtual Nursery closing its retail downcompletely, that took another citrus supplier
and avocados supplier out of the lineor out of the market e commerce wise,
and also deciduous free trees. Youknow they do it. Flour Lens
does a great job with them.Carolyn Tucson wants to know. I guess

(54:15):
any mulch would be good, butshe wants to know if is there a
particularly good mulch for Tucson. Tucsonneeds mulch tremendously. Okay, let's just
put it emphasize that. And thefact is that I would look for whatever
the recommended mulches are there in yourlocal retail nursery, because keep in mind
that that's going to be a resource, that is whatever is available, Like

(54:37):
I would imagine that there's some barkmulches that are probably available there. Yeah,
and like you mentioned, Tucson needsit for sure, definitely, you
know. And and the thing,you know, you know, when you
were talking about how it's not verycommon here in California but other places it
is, and I was thinking,well, maybe it's because you know,

(54:58):
those places always had excess ounce ofmultch, so they were it was just
readily available in California did not.But I mean here in California, I
mean we have a landfill close byed here in San Diego that as a
resident you can drive up and loadup for free and get your own mulch.
And you know, there's no shortageof those piles whenever I drive by

(55:19):
them. So there's plenty of multch, you know, local to our area.
You know. One of the problemswith the municipal mulch or the municipal
compost offerings was it went through maybeabout oh, i'd say twenty years a
real development and there was a lotof times when you'd get you know,
compost from those those facilities and itwould come out to be a disaster.

(55:43):
But I can tell you that Iknow that the quality of people that they're
bringing in to be able to runthose programs has improved, and that's what
needed to improve. You needed thatpeople would know what they were doing.
Definitely, Hey, ed we aregoing to take a break again right now
and we get back. We'll wrapup chatting with red livevo with ed Abel
Solutions ABE and you know, yeah, when we get back from the break

(56:05):
you bet you, and two moresegments coming up. Still time for some
of your questions, but we're allgoing to wrap things up with Ed.
As Tiger mentioned when we return hereGarden America. John bagnasco taget Pella Fox.
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supporting your friends right here on GardenAmerica. Okay, back with Garden America.
Two more segments to go. Thankyou for joining us, Thank you
for tuning in, covering a lotof topics this morning, and trying to

(56:27):
get to as many of your questionsand comments as possible on Facebook Live.
Yeah, and Ed, I justwant to thank you for joining us on
our first show of the year fortwenty twenty four. YEP. Lots of
great information, lots of great newknowledge, and just experience for people that
you know are kind of going intothe fruit tree world right now, whether

(56:50):
they have trees planted or whether they'relooking for new trees. You know,
good luck to you and your ventures, and you know we'll make sure to
be keeping in touch over of theyear. Also keep track of what you're
up to get him back to atsome point as well. Yeah, and
you know, if you're available inApril, Ed, you know you should
go to Costa Rica with us.Yeah, you can take a look at

(57:10):
the coffee plantations and all the fruit. Actually, that'll be around the time
my next grandchild's born. Oh exciting. I'll be lapping that up. Good,
good, Well, you'll enjoy thatfor sure. Absolutely, we'll send
you photos. But yeah, we'llpost a link to Ed's contact information there
so people can look at his videosand reach out to Ed if they have

(57:34):
any questions, or follow him forhis seminars and where he's going to be.
Hey, tell everybody high over thereand andie's for us and have a
good time. We'll do that,Thank you very much. You bet year,
thank you, you'll do Thank you, Ed Livo. Okay, there
we go, hunh just about theentire show, but he makes the segments
go by very quickly. Yeah,and this sparks a lot of interest.

(57:57):
As we look at our numbers thismorning on Facebook line, I've a lot
of people apparently feel the same way. Good information. Hey, our buddy
Dale wants to know what the fastestgrowing tree in the world is. Oh
wow, uh, we could haveasted that too, but it's definitely not
a fruit tree. No, buteucalyptus I think would have to be up.

(58:17):
What about bamboo grass, Yeah,it is a grass. But Eucalyptus
grandest can grow up to twenty feeta year. That's pretty fast. And
then in cold countries atlanthus called thetree of heaven or it's a weed tree

(58:38):
really right, really weak wooded.Isn't it kind of considered invasive in some
areas? Yeah, grins up fromseed everywhere and back in the Midwest because
of the winter ice and snowstorms,the branches just pre well, that's not
a tree. Why do you keepsaying that that aren't trees? Because because

(59:01):
when you talk about the fastest growinganything, then my mind wanders off to
other things in the world. Ido grow help is quick. I do
think kelp is considered the fastest growinganything. Plant. Yeah, plant,
yeah, plant, that's the wordplant, you know exactly kelp. It
does grow very quickly over you know, a short period of time. But

(59:23):
you know the other thing you knowwith eucalyptus, and you mentioned them,
is you know the reason why theythey might not have they found they grow
the fastest. Two is when youjust start throwing water on them. They
grow so quick because a lot ofthe areas where they're native to they were

(59:45):
not heavy water areas. So whenthey got rain, they grew, But
then they would go through drought periodsfor long periods of time. Right,
they would get rain and then theywould grow. Most almost all the eucalyptus
come from Australia, right, Andso when they started putting them into landscapes
where they started actually watering these,they were like, wait a minute,

(01:00:07):
these these I mean, look atHawaii. That rainbow bark is it?
Rainbow bark? Is that what it'scalled? The right? Yeah, that's
Eucalyptus de galupta. Yeah, Imean that one. I just mentioned that
all they were all native to Australia. Well that one happens to be native
to the Philippines, but which ismore going to be more like a Hawaii

(01:00:29):
type climate. And they grow ridiculouslyquick because they have endless amounts of water
where they're native to. Most beautifultree ever, I think they're absolutely gorgeous,
right, the bark, Yeah,rainbow they what's the one that they're
having the problem? What's there though? In Hawaiian? Yeah, I don't

(01:00:49):
know the one that's invasive and andprobably grows three times the fastest, as
fast as the rainbow because they haveso much water. They're just like boo,
think it might be globulous. Oh, okay, that could be the
one. Yeah, but you know, yeah, so Eucalyptus, you know,
are very fast growing trees. Soto answer short, I think that

(01:01:12):
eucalyptus would be considered the fastes becausethe other one that you mentioned in the
climates grows quickly, but it alsodoesn't grow at all in the wintertime,
where eucalyptus in the right climate,it's you know, always growing. And
then that's why you don't see aneucalyptus bone. Say that's true, but
but you would be you'd be.I mean, just coming from San Diego

(01:01:36):
and we see it so often.They their root structure is just horrible in
the sense that they just fall overso easily. And you these trees,
these massive trees, sixty eighty feettall. You would think that it would
have a better root structure to supportsuch a huge tree. And it falls
over and then you look at itand nothing was holding it up. It's

(01:02:00):
amazing. Yeah, we we havenothing but eucalyptus in our area, yeah,
but where you live, Yeah,it's very much. We used to
have one right next to the unitto our house. Yeah, and they
finally took it out, but yeah, it was that thing was dropped just
it was messy too. I wasalways cleaning up after it. Yeah.
And they they get a bug calledalerp which is a little bug right,

(01:02:24):
Yeah, And it has like alittle shell that it forms on the leaf
and they're just super messy because asidefrom the foliage dropping and the flower dropping
that that also is kind of likewhen you have aphids where they just drop
the the and they get the funnyyes off of it too. Yeah.

(01:02:45):
You know, when your dad andI started out in the nursery business in
California, everyone planted to eucalyptus becausethere were no pests whatsoever. Really,
Yeah, And the reason was alleucalypto in California were planted from seed.
So if you went to Australia,you'd see every leaf on the tree would

(01:03:06):
be chewed up by something. Butthere were no pasts in California native pests
that would attack eucalyptus. But youknow then because of trains and boats and
planes, trains not so much Australia. Right, but boats and planes you
know, ended up bringing a lotof that stuff, those insects over here.

(01:03:27):
And now almost all the eucalyptus geteaten by something. And since we
don't have the natural predator of koalabears, right, it just runs rampant.
Right. Didn't you want to tastekoala bear at one time? You
don't say that over the air.No, you never wanted to taste koala.

(01:03:49):
My daughter would have my head,yeah, right, she loves every
animal. Talking about fast growing trees, Dale was talking about the empress tree
Paul, which is really pretty flowers. But again, I'm one of those
weak wooded trees. It does growfast, but it doesn't grow as fast

(01:04:09):
as eucalyptus. Yeah. But thatbrings up a good point though, is
it also is weak wooded. Sousually trees that grow fast are going to
be half weak wood. Yeah,I mean you you know, you compare
it to redwood's oak, very slowgrowing, very strong, you know,
yeah, strong trees, hardwood trees. Yeah, Brian, take a trip

(01:04:35):
down memory lane. Dale wanted toknow when we started on the radio,
So going back with Bruce and Sharon, Well, I started personally in nineteen
ninety eight at the old building.Okay, so that's that was Garden Compass,
that was or was it over thehead? No, that was though,

(01:04:56):
that was West Coast Garden Line.Oh yeah. I joined when it
was just me and Bruce and itwas West Coast Garden Line and I was
the producer. And then as Brucegot ill, Sharon and I joined.
And do you remember when that Brucewasn't ill yet? Remember that that they
wanted to expand the show, andso you would fill in for Bruce now
and then with me, right,and then that was West Coast Garden right,

(01:05:18):
and then they talked about expanding theshow and hiring you know, hosts
or whatever to do it because theywanted to get into Los Angeles. And
that's what it became Garden Compass rightaround that time. So, but do
you remember how long ago? Thatwas? Two thousand maybe two thousand,
but I'd say twenty years ago tosafe bet time wise. Okay. I

(01:05:39):
know that Sharon and I came onbecause Bruce was the beginning stage begins and
he I think he was with usfor probably three or four years, right,
all of us together, No longerthan that, really absolutely, because
remember back in twenty ten, wewent up to northern California, a remote

(01:06:00):
from Oh boy, I forget thatthe town, but they had the was
it the pecan farm behind us.We stayed at bed and Breakfast and we
were listening Bruce and yeah, oneof those places exactly. Bruce and I
were listening to the Aztec game onthe radio when they went to the Sweet
sixteen. And that was twenty ten. So I'd say Bruce was with us
a good fifteen years. And thenme, I mean, well we picked

(01:06:27):
up on the side of the roadright that we hitchhiking. That was what
four years ago? Four years ago? For yeah, more time has flown
by. We've got to take abreak. We've got one more segment coming
up. As we do stroll downmemory lane. Thank you for tuning in.
We've got more Garden America coming upright after these messages on BIS Talk
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(01:06:47):
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(01:07:09):
Uh. You know Ed was talkingabout the ginger gold apple yea,
and Gina said that you can orderan online from Stark Brothers. Stark Brothers,
that's a good resource for yeah,us for deciduous fru trees. Yeah,
as well. You know you mentionedfor four winds, right, four
winds. Yeah, I feel likethere's also a seasons This is like a

(01:07:31):
four seasons nursery or something that's ahotel hotel tree, you know, four
winds for citrus. But I also, if I remember correctly, I don't
know. Sometimes they have rules aboutwhere they can ship. But Stark Brothers
for deciduous trees, wonderful resource,lots of varieties, really neat stuff as

(01:07:55):
well. So hey, do yourecall last year you gave me what I
think is called the celery plant.Celery it looks like because it just looks
like celery and it's it's in asmall pot and it did well. Then
it was kind of getting a littlebrown and was it selary or was it
a same eoculcus? I don't know. I should take a picture of it.
Very well. The recent reign we'vehad perked up a lot of a

(01:08:18):
lot of my plants. Oh yeah, yeah, me too, you know,
as far as that goes. Soyou know, that's the way.
You know, I mentioned we weretalking about the multch. You know,
I dropped down mulch I think amonth ago. And now with the rain
and everything, just things are takenoff and I haven't done anything, you
know, no fertilization, no additionalirrigation, just John, do you remember

(01:08:42):
the Seinfeld episode where Kramer decided toput a little garden outside his door and
he had a little bell ding dingand just like he was outside and he
brought an indoor plant and Jerry comesby and talks about, you know,
ma man looks pretty good, andKramer says, oh, you've got a
mulch. You've got to molt.Is that the one where he had a
hose out there? Yes, Andit was like he was pretending like he

(01:09:03):
was outside and he had a backyardor a front yard. But the line,
you've got emulch, hey, Rick, wants to know the best pruning
method for fruit trees. If youlook at some of Ed's videos online,
yeah, summer pruning is the bestto keep them down. You know,
also Tom Spelman. But Tom andEd came up with summer pruning and said,

(01:09:26):
there really is no reason to havea fruit tree over eight feet tall.
Yeah, you can keep your fruittree, yeah, within picking distance,
unless you're trying to block your neighbor. Yeah, yeah, right,
but I think a lot of peoplejust let it, let it grow,
let it grow, let it grow, let it grow. But yeah,
you can. You can top thoseand keep them within a distance that's easy
to maintain. Yeah. I meanthat's the thing is now when you grow

(01:09:47):
when you drive through the valley andyou see the orchards there, all their
fruit trees are also short because likeyou mentioned picking, yeah, all that
they don't let them grow to largetrees. I mean, I'm sure sometimes
I'll be driving through the valley andthere'll be a full, you know,
acres and acres of an orchard andit seems like the trees are only six

(01:10:10):
feet tall, right, and theyshaped kind of like a beat, like
an upside down umbrella. I've gotmy citrus slowly coming to fruition, beginning
to turn yellow down a little bit. Yeah, my oranges are just orange,
but they're definitely not right, notready yet. Yeah, the short
trees, I was surprised that theywere doing that with avocados now, oh

(01:10:32):
yeah, yeah, well that wasa Picking avocados is a problem, right,
I mean they grow them on thosehillsides and these massive trees. And
you know, when I first cameto California and we looked at all the
avocados on the hillsides, you werejust like what it was like because the

(01:10:53):
rule was, or the the ideaback then was if you can dig a
hole, you can plant the avocado. And they put them on the hillsides,
and and I was just wondering,how in the world do they pick
them to do they wait for anearthquake and then they rolled down the hill
to pick them up down there.But uh, part of that was because

(01:11:15):
of root rot. Now they havedisease resistant rootstocks, right, yeah,
But back then, root rot wasa huge problem in avocados. And also
I mean because of where they were, I mean frost too. Well,
that's why they say hillside. Yeah, didn't they want to plant them on
the slope, so that way theywould never they would never plant them in
the valley. You didn't You didn'tdrive through Fallbrook and see them in the

(01:11:36):
valleys. You all. You sawthem on the mountains over Fallbrook. And
I think that they would put morecold, hard hardy varieties tarts about them,
like zutanos and bacons, and thenthe host would be up towards the
top. Makes sense, but yeah, I mean, you know, frost
and then the root rot issues foravocados. It's I get why we're not

(01:11:59):
seeing them as much as we usedto, but it's kind of a bummer
that we're losing that crop here inSan Diego area. Rick wants to know
if Nucio's is closed, Oh,and if so, is anyone going to
continue their legacy? I think thisis their last year. It was,

(01:12:21):
didn't we talk about that? Yeah, like this being their last year.
Yeah, and no one will continuetheir legacy that I'm aware of. I
think the closest person to them wasa grower called ABC Nursery. But I
think they just but they would justtake from nut chios. They wouldn't develop
it, right, they didn't doany breeding. Yeah, maybe maybe Monrovia

(01:12:44):
might be doing some I don't know. Maybe. Yeah, I've worked on
a program with Monrovia Nursery where webrought in Satsuki azelias from Japan and then
grew them to introduce them to thesouthern California Marca. They I think they
the stock came from Miniature Plant Kingdom, Do you remember them. Yeah.

(01:13:10):
He made several trips to Japan collectedall kinds of varieties of Satsuki as ilias.
And that's one of the few placesyou can buy satsuki's is New CEO's.
Yeah, yeah, okay, gentlemen, just about a minute, and
that'll put the ribbon around this newshow, the first show for twenty twenty
four. Yeah, looking forward togood things happening in the new year.

(01:13:31):
You know, have our trip inApril, right, go to our website
Guardamerica dot com. Yeah, whenshould we do our Maybe in February.
We'll do a remote broadcast. We'llfigure out, Yeah, we'll have some
place. They're still going to becold, so we'll have to bring jackets
obviously. Yeah, all unless we, you know, do it somewhere tropical,
someplace tropical. All right, John, I have a good weekend,

(01:13:53):
I know, you're busy, alot of things happening. Congratulations on the
new development at your house. Whatnew development are you talking about? Me
planning up all my seedlings, roastseedlings, new development. You know,
I'm so excited to see what they'regoing to look like this spring, because
you know, when they're in thoselittle seed pots, they can only get

(01:14:15):
so high, and you to justget an idea of what the color is
going to be, you really can'tsee the flowers. Well, thank you
so much, We do appreciate it. We're back again next week. If
you tuned in this week, pleasetune in next week as we try to
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Want to thank our webmaster Daniel.Want to thank Tiger Pellafox, John Begnasco.
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