Garden Buddies Live Soil, Rain, and Real Talk - Garden Amerrica Podcast & Radio Show [11.15.25] - Garden America - Gardening Podcast & Talk Radio Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, good morning. Here we are and welcome one and all.
It is the Garden America Show with myself, Brian Maine,
John Begnasco, Tiger Pelafox. We are broadcasting, and may I
say it's a privilege to be broadcasting from the palatial
John Begnasco estate located in beautiful Faulberg, California, just outside
of San Diego, California, actually north of downtown San Diego,

(00:21):
and very impressive. John, thank you for having us in
your library. Let's just uh, let's just hope things go
well this morning for us in all facets of broadcasting
the Garden America Show.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
You saw the Garden America cartoon this week.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
I did a great job and you gave me center attention.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
One is very simple too. It's just your garden buddy
standing out in the rain and you going we needed this.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Actually, I looked at the forecast on my phone. Now
you had the various weather weather centers you can go to,
some era accurate, some not so. My phone shows rain
all week. Oh yeah, every day, right, so I guess
we can expect a lot of moisture, a lot of
rain here in southern California. And as you mentioned, we
need it.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
We did, and you know what the way it started out.
I don't know about San Diego Tiger, but here it's
a soft, gentle rain, so it soaks into the ground
and it's not washing stuff away.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
And you know there there is the big talk right
now of the Malibu area where they had those wildfire
and all that kind of stuff, and you know, it's
a very valid concern. But like you say, John, as
long as it kind of stays with this kind of steady,
soft right that happens. It gives a chance for the
earth to absorb it. You know, the drains work properly,

(01:44):
and you know, everything is good. It's when we get
those hard rains that it begins to wash down the
hill slide.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Hard consistent with no let up.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Yeah, right exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
And then long term too, because you know, the other
thing that happens is, you know, when we get a
lot of frequent rains, then.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
It builds finally saturate.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah, and that's when it becomes so heavy and now
it starts to you know, break away, and that's.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
When trees fall over. I was gonna add, a wind
comes up and when it's.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
So soft, yeah, and you it's funny that when that happens,
you see these massive trees and they fall over, and
then you look at the roots and you're like, how
was that?

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Right now, it doesn't necessarily have to be a shallow
root system either, does it. No?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
I mean the ground is soft ground, right.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
If you've got a tree that's rooted into rock, that's
gonna stay.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
It's gonna stay.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah. Yeah, So is that our tip for the day.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
To just plant rocks in rock with your trees?

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Exactly? Hey, Let's walk in our Friends.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Good title for a book, root It in Rock?

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, rooted rooted in Rock. Yeah, there you go. You
can have it.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Pick your group.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Let's walk in our Friends on BIS Talk Radio. Thank
you some Stephanie and her crew keeping us on the
air and very very accommodating for them also to play
some rerun some replays when we don't have a show
of that particular weekend. But we are back live and
again it's John Begnasco's house. I like the extra added
touch that John Addams since the last time we were
here twenty four to seven Valet Parking, and he's also

(03:19):
hired a security guard which I saw outside Laslow Laslow.
The security guard who was actually hired to watch out
for John's roses. It seems to be a nice guy.
So you've done quite well. Valet Parking and Laslow the
security guard.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I think I added, I don't know if you guys
were here since I added the bookend to my You know,
I have a lot of gardening books. Yes, you can
see behind.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Is there one book in here that's not gardening? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:44):
I have a whole lot of fantasy books.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Oh wow, really that's another show.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
In books about dragons and things. So I added that
book end up there.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
The dragon book.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Nd. Yeah, that kind of I like it. Tossy would
love that one. Yeah, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
That's very scary.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Do you ever walk in here at night and just
get a little creeped out?

Speaker 2 (04:05):
I usually turned the light on.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah. Now you're also into gargoyles too, right, I thought
you were a gargoing guy.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
No, no, no, gargle is what I'd like to do.
I brush my tea.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay, all right, you learn something new every day. Welcome
to the show. Do we have any comments? You hat
tiger people tuning in?

Speaker 2 (04:24):
You know our buddy and uh Pakistan is tuned in. Yeah, yeah,
I hope everything's going well out there now, trying to
think is their weather Their weather is probably a little.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Colder than ours, I assume.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, you know what you were talking. We were talking
about trees there to try to bring us back on subject.
And I got an email this week from John Malar,
who is the one who built the ship that's in
San Diego Harbor the surprise. Oh okay, we're which I

(05:00):
think now is a floating museum, right.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
He runs a bed and breakfast, a historical bed and
breakfast in Virginia, and he sent me an article that
he wrote on mahogany trees growing in Virginia. Really in
mahogany trees, you know, are tropical, right, and there's no

(05:24):
way they would grow. But he was talking about how
they had discovered in the seventeen hundreds or eighteen hundreds
that mahogan like if you build a ship out of oak,
it's the oaks rotted in twenty five years. But on mahogany,
they found they were good for one hundred years. So

(05:45):
they crossed the mahogany tree with a little heartier type
of mahogany and they got these trees that they planted.
But to harvest mahogany wood takes one hundred years to
one hundred and fifty years, and by the time the
trees were tall enough.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
They stopped building ships at it.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
No, they forgot why they played it, so no one new.
So those trees are still over there, they have. He
said they'd cut off some branches to make furniture out of,
which is kind of cool. But I never even thought
of growing mahogany here.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Is it not supposed to grow or thrive in Virginia.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
It's supposed to be a tropical tree, so it doesn't
tolerate the cold at all.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, at all. So what's different? Just the way they
crossed it, you said with something else.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, you know, I'd have to get more into the
article to he was talking about there's a Cuban mahogany,
there's an American mahogany. I'd have to get into it anyway.
It was just something I was surprised, you know. Every
now and then I'd get something from a listener or
some someone tells us something I just never even thought
about before.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Well, and I think it just brings us back to
reminding us that, you know, all the things that we
take for granted because we just assume oak, pine, mahogany, epay, teak,
you know, are such readily available lumber out there. But

(07:17):
at one point in time, trade was very difficult. Things
that we didn't know how things grew, and in order
to get that particular product you had to go to
the place where it was native to and where it
was from in order to harvest it.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
You know.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
I mean, it's it's amazing when you go into Costa Rica.
Do you remember driving through Costa Rica and seeing the
teak fields that they have planted and how that grows
and they talk about the process of growing it there
and how many years it takes for them to grow
and it still takes a lot of time, but it
grows great there. It's one of the ideal environments for

(07:55):
it to grow there, you know. But it's the investment.
It's not one hundred years, but it's but it's a
not not tomorrow, I.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Think in the tropics that takes one hundred years also
for mahogany.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, not for teak though, I think remember they were
talking about teak was I think like ten ten.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
Or twelve years or something like that. But but mahogany,
it takes one hundred years.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Even there there's some crops that are really long, like cork.
Oh yeah, you know, if you're going to plant a
cork oak, you're looking at close to about one hundred years.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
And it's crazy the way that they do it because
it's actually a very let's say, sustainable practice in the
sense of they're stripping the bark. They're stripping the bark
where you know, a tree for harvesting it, you cut
down the tree and you got to plant a new one.
Right for cork even though it's a long practice. What
they do is they strip the bark and then they

(08:48):
have to wait for that bark to grow again. But
they don't kill the tree, you know, which is nice
because the bark rows again and like you're saying, it
takes eighty years for the bark to grow again and
then you can strip the bark again. But but uh,
you know, I mean, at least it's not cutting down
the tree like you know some of the stuff that
actually destroying it.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, cork oaks do really well in California.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
They love it. Yeah, Sharon had one right on their driveway,
well next to the driveway.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
You remember that Sharon told us that's the reason they
bought that.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
House because Bruce like the cork tree.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
They pulled up and Bruce saw the cork tree with
a branch coming over the driveway, and he said, we're
buying the South.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
You know what. I understand that. I get that. That's
that's something that I mean.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Do we see a lot of cork trees? We do,
but you don't recognize it. Yeah, I will say, as
John mentioned, cork oaks actually do really well here in
southern California, and a lot of people do have them
in landscapes and they don't even know that they have them.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yau.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
They look like oak tree. They look like a like
a live oak tree to be really old. Yeah, you know,
and I.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Remember if Bruce and Sharon's you could go up and
you could push on the bar.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, it was soft exactly. Let's see, we've got about
about thirty seconds until the first break here. We've got
John's quart of the week. We're gonna go in a
lot of directions today. Again, a lot of rain here
in San Diego, Southern California, which is big news to us,
usually front page news when when it rains and people
can't drive and they're sliding off the roads and so
on and so forth. So we're gonna take a break

(10:16):
for our friends on biz Talk Radio. Our fine sponsors,
of course, Fertilo were a major sponsor here just joining us. Yeah,
we're broadcasting from John's Library in Fallbrook, California. Do stay
with us. I'm Brian Maine, John bag Nasco, Tucker Pella
Fox back after these messages on biz Talk Radio. All right,
we are back after that break, biz Talk Radio, Facebook Live.
It is Garden America. Thank you for joining us. I

(10:37):
see all the familiar names. A few new people pop
up now and then John and we're gonna take your questions,
your comments. We've got the quarter of the week, and
hopefully you did get the newsletter this week and every
week regardless of whether we're on the air or not,
the newsletter comes your way.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
Rain Shine, Yeah, rail Shine, speaking of newsletter, Yeah, Veronica, yes, uh,
Veronica said the news the news one wants me to
read it.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Because right, yeah, because the newsletter was great.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Wow, that one thousand year old year Rose his that
one thousand year Rose history was fabulous. I love Tanya's
coles of the bee on Salvia was cool.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Oh yeah, tanya're the picture of the bee?

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, okay, right, Robin, that view is lovely, Beth, Maria,
Elena Roses or gorgeous.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
Thank you all for sharing. You know.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, great great newsletter, lots of great articles that John
puts in stories. Uh did I was busy in the beginning.
Did we already do quote of the week?

Speaker 1 (11:41):
No, we haven't.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Okay, I was gonna say, I don't think we heard that.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
So however, there we have. We have mentioned so many
poignant things you would have thought that there was a quote.
Yeah there.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
Well, but I like the quote of the week this week.
You know, not that I don't like it every week, but.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Some weeks are they hit you a little different.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
John like he was kind the same hit the newsletter
right with the timing, you know, like meaning, what's happening
today with the rain and the season and stuff in
the news, and the quote of the week I thought
was right on with John.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Never falls too far behind pop culture, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Well, now that you built it up, the quote is
the leaves fall, the wind blows in the farm country
slowly changes from the summer cottons into its winter walls.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
And I do feel today truly does mark that change
for southern California after this, I don't think we're gonna
get I mean, we might get a sunny, warm day, but.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
It's high's next week in the high fifties, low sixties exactly.
That's what I like. Let me put that robe on again,
give me those warm, fuzzy slippers.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Well you pointed out earlier that it came after a
ninety degree day. Yeah, so it feels more like a change.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, you know, it's it wasn't gradual, it was it
was literally overnight.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, literally overnight.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Let me see here, Hastam mahogany is a new plant
here in Pakistan, ah and nursery community. Few nurserymen have
imported their seed from India and other tropical countries. Let's uh,
let's see their future in Pakistan and their standard of wood.
But Pakistani social media and nurserymen are highlighting it and

(13:27):
attracting their customers to buy and plant it. So so
so so they're finding it grows there. They're they're bringing in,
they're giving it a shot. You know, we'll see the
long term results from it. You know, it might grow
for a while and.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Then won't you know. Yeah, how many years are we talking?

Speaker 3 (13:46):
I mean from seed? Yeah, from seed it would take Yeah,
like you said.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
You're not going to make it either. I'm sorry to say,
but there.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Are different species of mahogany, so maybe there are some
faster growing ones.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
But I will say, and this is a big thing
with lumber, is they're talking about the difference in wood
today as far as you know, we tend to grow
would a little bit quicker, you know. You know we've
talked about this before with tomatoes. When you have rapid
growth on tomatoes, how the plant actually reacts and how

(14:22):
it's a weaker plant and you know, not as.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
Good, right, you know. And that's the same with lumber.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
They they're really forcing these trees to grow quicker than
they should, and then the lumber is not as strong
as it once was.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
And if California found that out with the eucalyptus, right, yeah,
remember they thought that would be They were planted originally
for the lumber industry exactly.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
And just because it's a fast growing tree doesn't mean
that that wood is going to turn into something better.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Isn't that the same reasoning that we talked about when
you have plants that have accelerated growth the same way.
That's not their norm. And how the sell walls become thin.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Oh yeah, then you get well in woody plants, you
have weak would.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Right, right, but nobody wants weak would.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
No, No, that's horrible. You know you pointed out something
that I never thought about before. You know, everybody always
talks about lumberjacks, but today shouldn't there be lumber jills.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Oh yeah, definitely, yeah, there aren't.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
No, No, I haven't heard of any.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Well, there you go, ladies. Looks like a job opening
for lumber jills. Lumber jills, right.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
A lot of people are pointing that out. Tiger, you
were talking about the thousand year old tree, and Brian
you mentioned I mentioned when you came in this morning
to me that you really like.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah. I like the picture, I liked everything about the article.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
But yeah, you know, occasionally you'll get a question, Tiger,
like how long does this plant live?

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Live?

Speaker 2 (15:52):
So that thousand year old rose tree not only lived
and thrive, but survived some wars that it bombed and
still came up.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
That's unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah, I mean, you know, when we were touring England
and we were touring some of the grounds of those
estates and they were saying, you know, this oak tree
is probably you know, eight hundred years old, right oak
tree's X and you know, and you're thinking the kings
and queens that have walked under that tree, or the
war that happened in front of that castle, you know,

(16:27):
and to it's really kind of puts in perspective plants
because they they don't respond quickly as we think that
they would, but you know, they're they're very sturdy, and
it's kind of a neat thing.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Didn't we see olive trees in France or years thousand
years old right now to the Roman reservoir?

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Right, yeah, and don't they like take cuttings from those
to create new because they they feel like that tree
kind of has something special about it that.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
What's the name of the company in the United States,
that's L's Historical Trees.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
Oh, you know, like I know what you're trying to say,
but I can't.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, like it would be uh. At one point they
had a tree that was from Sherwood forest and you
could plant this tree in your your yard that came
from a cutting of a tree in forest in England, or.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Or of the fruit tree, you know, like this fruit
tree was known for this or for this story.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
You know, this was from a tree that Johnny Appleseed Plantedah,
I forget the name of that. It's something about heritage,
heritage or historical trees. But I was gonna make a
point with that night.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Well, but we were talking about olive us because I
feel a lot of times olives and grapes, you know,
those companies they pride themselves on having a a thing
about that olive tree, about that grape, and so therefore
when you get a cutting from that tree, now you
can say, well, oh, well, you know this olive has

(18:05):
this particular you know, character or whatever, and and it's
the only one because that's the only tree that has it.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
You know.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
And a lot of old vineyards would have their mother
stock grape plant that they would take the cuttings from
to produce more of those grapes. But you know, they
that they had that mother stock plant that they had
was protected and they always tried to keep that one safe.
Wasn't there was a Canu Reeves movie I feel about that.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Wasn't Jan Reeves?

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yes, saving one like a grape Like there was a
grape vineyard and there was a fire and they were
so worried about this one grape. No listeners, will I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
That's a great time to go anywhere, go into our
next Russial break on BIS Talk Radio. All right, that's
the end of segment number two. Here Guard in America.
John Big NASCAR's House, Fallbrook, San Diego, California, rainy weather.
We'd a loving it. Hope you're doing well. We're going
to take a break. I'm Brian Maine, John Beg Nascar
talking Pola Fox back after these messages on BIS Talk Radio. Well,

(19:24):
guess what we are back from that break. We hope
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It is Guard in America got a great background. I mean,
look at I'm looking at the monitor, and uh, I
know all those books.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
We need the fireplace going, John, Oh yeah, yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
And bring out your pipe and slippers, yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
I always used to want to smoke a pipe. I
never did.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
They smelled so good, right, yeah, yeah right, And.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
I would read uh uh books like Tolkien. There you
go yet smoking pipes or wizards smoking pipes. And I
had an uncle that we'd go over to his house
and always had the pipe smoke.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Really.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, there's a place in old Town that does tobacco, yes,
and I loved walking into that smell.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
Right yeah, yeah, you know I.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Was in high school. Buddy in mine and I we
kind of got on the pipe kick and you could
buy like cherry flavored tobacco, you know, all that, all
that kind of stuff, and it really, I mean, what
were we doing? High school kids don't look at smoking
pipes now, I'm talking about tobacco. No, no, I'm talking
about I'm talking about tobacco. Oh but yeah, but yeah,

(20:42):
that was that was And I think I got a
corn cob pipe one time. Oh yeah, I went through
a hillbily face.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
For about a month or so. What do we need?

Speaker 4 (20:51):
I need John to address this because.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
John Livingston wrote a message and hey, John, did you
get the nineteen fifty or Rose Society Annual? I send
you now that I see your library, you probably already
had it, and and yes, I want to make sure
it did come to me.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
And I did give it to you, Yes.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
She did.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
As a matter of fact, you gave it to me
at the auction. Yeah, the rose auction, which was about
a couple.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Of weeks ago. Three weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, exactly, I did get it. Yeah, thank you John.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
That's awesome that he thought of you. You know, I
found that. I found that cruising the racks of uh
used books, and just whenever you to all of our listeners,
whenever you are looking at old used books, if there's
a garden book, you know, a there's a really good
chance John has it. B Hey, you never know, it

(21:43):
could be the one that he's missing.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
So not speaking of that. So the house was built
a couple two or three years ago. When this room
was finished and it was all blank bear nothing in it.
Then you brought your books in little by little, and
I assume you did it all by yourself.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Bringing in Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, and I mean I mean I mean you, I
mean you. It looks like it took you. How long
to put them all up? Were you one?

Speaker 2 (22:07):
You remember the I don't know if you guys remember
my old house, but I to some degree an office
and it had bookshelves in there that we bookcases that
we had got from uh Costco, I think, and the
books there were all arranged by by subject matter. Okay,

(22:31):
when we moved and we lived in the trailer here
for two years, so we had storage, I set those
bookshelves up in storage and put the books in the
storage the way that they were supposed to be. So
when we moved stuff out of storage, it was the
same thing. They came back the way that they had

(22:51):
gone in. The difference was in my old house, not
only did I have the office filled with books, I
had one of the spare bedrooms filled with books, and
the garage filled with books. So they were everywhere.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Now they're all in here.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Now they're pretty much all in here. Yeah, I even
have room for more.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
I mean, we don't have a camera behind us because
there's actually a lot of books in front of us too,
So the people watching are seeing just a fraction actually,
because over to the left, to the center, to the right,
there's books everywhere, the books on look at the look
at the books almost on those.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Ceilings left of me.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Yeah, well I and for people that have been following
in the show for a while, this isn't the first
time we've done a show in the library. And when
we did our first show in the library, you were
not done putting.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
The books away.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Oh yeah, Imber.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Still had room. And even as we've come through the
you know, years of coming up here, you had room
and I'm not seeing.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
Much room left.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
You know, you're done.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
There's like one corner up there. You know, maybe if
we take away this little statue and make some room
up there.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
You got to have the occasional nickknacks. You can't all
be books. No, there's a few collections, I think, so
at least I would.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
There's a few collectibles in here that our mind. Shannon
likes to decorate a little, so some of the stuff
as hers. But like that terra cotta fruit ball up there. Yes,
the is from Italy, and the people who used to
make those are no longer living, okay, so those will

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never be made again.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
Just like the penny.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
It's just like the penny, except that one was a
pretty penny, you know, they go when we got that
years ago. Actually they were for sale for I think
two thousand dollars and that was years ago, and and
I didn't pay for it. I got it free because

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back then we had garden compass, yes, and we had
an advertiser in the magazine who was selling the last
of those, and they gave gave me one as a gift,
which was.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
You know what sticks out to me? That that huge book,
The Quest for the Black Road.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
Yeah, we've talked about that one.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
I mean that takes two or three people to hold
that book up and read it.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
I never even opened it.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah, I should put.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
That that terracotta fruit bowl on the table here so
people can see what we're talking about.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
Yeah, I'll move it. I'll move it during the break.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Okay, I've never opened up that book. No, No, can't
you see a cover?

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Well you're not a question, are you? No? No, I.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
There's some things I haven't opened up there in their
original packing.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
I'll move the cameras around in a little bit to
show there's a few questions we should probably give you.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Now, let's get to the questions. We got about four
minutes until the next berk.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
We're gonna pair this one up. Okay, Daisy, and let's
see here, Veronica.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Okay, Veronica, I know you've covered this before, but what
can I do to get rid of the Black City?
Mold on my Meyer Lemon? And then Daisy is and
how do we prevent the lemons from splitting? After all
the rain we will get more here in the Bay area.
So the black city mold on a citrus tree, orange
lemon lime is usually due to the you know, sucking

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insects that are on it, whether it be scale, a fids, whitefly,
So you want to start there first getting.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
Rid of the bugs.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Scale is actually pretty hard to identify on a lot
of citrus because they're on these stems and they look
like the stem. So a lot of people don't realize
their whole plants is covered with scale until they really
get into there and look at the stems. Aphids and
you know, white fly and Mealia bug a little easier
to identify. But if you solve that, you can solve

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the city mold problem. And the city mold problem can
also just be wash it off a lot of times, right,
like a little soapy water, wash it off.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Well, you recommend it because I had it on my
palm and my ficus, to do your best to wash
it off, sprayed off and then apply this spinosa cell
you know, at which I've done and I've had great
success with the ficus the palms a little bit more stubborn.
I mean it's black. In fact, it's so bad that
the pot itself is black some of the areas. Yeah,
you got to you gotta stay on top of it

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because it can get ahead of you real quick.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Basically, what Tiger's saying is that the city molt is
not a problem at all. It's just something that grows
in the secretion of insects. So you want to take
care of the insects. And on citrus. Uh, one of
the easiest things for scale is a dormant oil, right,
or a citrus oil, or an oil spray, an oil spray.

(27:37):
Some some must spinosis have oil, ye don't they? They do,
so that'll take care of it. Yeah, so this is
definitely the time you here to do it. As far
as the the.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
Splitting, splitting, yeah, that's from the you know, they absorb
We've talked about it before.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
They absorb the water so.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Quickly that, you know, the the riine on the fruit
breaks open.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
What about after the first few rain I don't know this,
the thoughts just coming into my head. But what if
you put tarps under the tree so there wasn't any
more water zss water excess water.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, you can hot and cold split them as well.
Hot weather, cold weather back and forth. If it's hot,
then it's cold hot.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
We've talked about that too.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
The splitting of the rine has to do with the
plant getting like so much water in it that the
place to go up. But you know it's and also
the growth tiger.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Do you think it's uh too much water continually or
do you think it's all of a sudden. For instance,
if you weren't watering watering the citrus and you're keeping
it dry and then all of a sudden you got
all this water. The tree couldn't cope with it. But
if it had been like if we have these brains

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coming up now and you know it's raining for a week.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Slow and steady.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, do you think it's a difference.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
I think it is all a sudden.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
I think you're right, like because you know, I mean,
if you put water on a plant and it grows naturally,
the rind can keep up with it. It's the sudden changes
kind of like what you know. Brian was also mentioning
with the sudden temperature changes. Sometimes you know, if it's
cool and also it warms up, right, it grows so
fast the heat you know, that makes this change, I

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think before any of this, and you know what you
mentioned like reactionary, like you're saying, trying to get the
water to not go to the base of the plant,
whether it's tarpe it, get some drainage away from it,
whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
But being more proactive.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Using a good amending fertilizer, organic fertilizer in the soil
number one, is going to make the soil more you know,
friendly in drainage. And number two, the plant's going to
have naturally the ability to you know, suck up that
water nutrients.

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our Facebook live viewers and listeners, So we're going to
keep right on rolling. And as you can see, we
talked about that last segment. John, Right, you terracotta fruit
icutta fruit bowl. Then there it is, Isn't that cool?

Speaker 3 (30:23):
And to point out something regarding this too, for those
of you that have never worked with clay before, terra
cotta is not an easy thing to sculpt, right, you know,
there's a lot of clay's out there that they can
sculpt and they make things add as not as forgiving,
it's not And so this is very impressive.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
In the detail on it just amazes me. I mean,
you've got a pomegranate split over with the seeds coming out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
John.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
John had asked if I had a copy of Hordis,
which is a great reference book, and it made me
think of gardening dictionaries. Yeah, which people today probably think.
You know, I've got Google. Why do I need a
or not a dictionary? And I should say an encyclopedia.

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But believe it or not, there's information in books, it's
not on the Internet.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
That is absolutely correct.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
In the book that I just wrote, I had a
scene with David Fairchild meeting Queen Luli o'cani, and I
had that in the book and I wanted a little
more information, so I googled it on on the Internet,

(31:43):
and it came back. AI came back and said, there
is no there is no evidence that the two of
these people ever met. And I answered back, oh yeah,
what about David Fairchild's book? And I told them where
I was from, and I actually gave them a linked

(32:04):
to a quote and it said, oh, we apologize we
were wrong. Yes, the two did meet. Yeah, So anyway
back to the diligence due diligence encyclopedias. The reason I'm
bringing it up is because I think you can.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Go to.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
ABE Books or Amazon and you can get used copies
of Encyclopedia's pretty cheap now because every you know, people
aren't using them anymore. Sure, And I have three here,
one three different encyclopedias. One is is the New York
Botanical Right here, it's the New York Botanical Garden, illustrated

(32:49):
in the Encyclopedia of Horticulture. And I have to tell
you that that has got more information than any book
I've ever come exactly.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah, I've done my homework and you can read. But
it was upside down? How could that be the you.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Can say the alphabet back words?

Speaker 1 (33:09):
I care, you can read it, You're right?

Speaker 2 (33:12):
So anyway, there's I think there's ten volumes of it.
And when this first came out, each volume was one hundred.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Dollars each volume, each OVA, so.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
You know, one thousand dollars for the set. I think
they're a lot cheaper now.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
When I was a kid, we had something called they
were encyclopedias. The first one is like A through C
and then and it was called the Book of Knowledge.
And I remember as a kid there was a one
of the books had like what the inside of your
body looks like? It was like you can see the
heart and the lungs and color cool. And it was
so fascinated by all that the Book of Knowledge. I

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have no idea whatever happened to those.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
So speaking of the Book of Knowledge, not to bring
us a little bit back on subject, not too far
off subject, John It wrote one of my Canary Island
pines had pine ghost canker. I was told there was
no cure and then I would need to cut off
the infected parts. Is that true?

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Wouldn't you have to tell your doctor that doctor you
have to cut off.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
That used to be the thing right back when you
used to go to the doctor, they'd be like, oh,
I've got this, I've got this thing.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
Well, we got to cut off your arm.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
I've got Pine Coast canker, Doc. What do I do?

Speaker 3 (34:28):
But to answer your question, John, it is I mean,
it is true to remove the infected parts in the
sense of it's it's kind of.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
Like a blight.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
You know, these diseases they work their way through trees
and there are affected areas and if you cut off
the affected areas with a clean tool, then it'll stop
from going in.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
Through the rest of the tree.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
So you know, that is the the thought process is
that making sure that you know you're tools are clean,
you don't transfer the problem to other parts of the
tree when you're trimming, you know, and kind of going
from there, do you have any notes on that?

Speaker 4 (35:10):
I see you, I see you.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
He's ramping up.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Isn't that a cool name?

Speaker 1 (35:15):
I mean, you're you're born to write a book with that,
Nate Liberty high right, It's just like if you were born,
let's say your parents called you jeeves. Yeah, you're going
to be a butler later on life.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
So anyway, the I don't know if anybody's looked up
to see what the The Encyclopedia of Horticulture from the
New York botanical gardens are selling for right now. But
if you can get one for I think at one
time I saw him for like twenty five dollars, you know,
and the originally one hundred. It's really a good good deal.

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Lamar's got cats and dogs around her house.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
So hard ye raining cats and dogs. We we we
dropped off for a second, but we are connected again,
so I think it's I think it's catching up. It's
buffering right now. So if you are are catching my voice.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
You've caught up. But otherwise it is buffering.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Well, it is almost the end of the first hour.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Yeah, that makes that's part for the course, right.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, this is a Facebook problem that we cannect get away.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it is. Yeah, it's yeah, everything on
this end is good.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah, so crazy damn poor here too. So I mean,
let's let's talk a little bit about that. As far
as downpours in the.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Garden a book title right there.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
You know, you meant we mentioned the citrus that you know,
they're going to be splitting, or the fruit could be
splitting after a big rain, you know, if your garden floods.
You know, let's say you have a bed and it
just settles and there's a lot of water it's sitting
in there.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
I mean, do you have anything that you would say
to do.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
At the time that could help, you know, in the future,
Like not not in the future, but like you know,
let's say it's a drought tolerant area and you know
this is gonna have a negative effect on those plants.
I mean, are you just gonna have to wait and
see what happens?

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Well, you do landscaping, wouldn't you put French strain scenarios
like that where you knew it was gonna be a problem.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Exactly? If you know it's going to be a problem,
you can be preventive. You can put in French drains,
you can slope, you can do different things here.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
You're planting towards the type of soils you have too, right, right,
if you have real wet clay soils, you don't want.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
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Live your back, Brian Maine, John Begnasco, Tiger, Pello Fox
and if you are just joining us and looking at
all the books in the background, we are broadcasting live
from John's library here in Fallbroough, California, to the north
of San Diego, California.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Do you hear I'm going to take a camera because
people have asked to see, Sure, what's around? If you
want to describe, I'll take one of the cameras and
show show what's going on.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
With Yeah, absolutely, So we're going to give you more
of a like a three sixty view for those on
Facebook Live, BIS Talk Radio use your imagination. And for
those on Facebook Live, Tiger's gonna grab one of the
cameras and show us around. Yeah, you got to you
gotta do it. Huh.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Well, you know this will answer Kevin, our buddy Kevin
and Cardolaine's question because he said he missed the answer
on how we arrange the books in the library in.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Their subject matter title.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Well, I have the fiction separated from the gardening books,
so they're all. They're all in front of us, that's
what we're looking at. But then the rest of that's
a very small area. The rest of the library is
all gardening books and they're arranged by topic. So behind

(39:15):
you there's books on trees and conifers, and then there's
books on cacti and succulents. There's books on landscaping, all
in one area. Books on vegetables and in herbs. I
gout seed books, books on seeds, planning seeds over my desk,

(39:37):
the whole area surrounding the desk, and then these two
shelves over here are books on roses. And my oldest
rose book I think is eighteen thirty eight.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
I like the Old Rose Adventurer.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
That's it's not as old as eighteen thirty eight.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
You know what I liked as soon as I said
that you knew exactly where to look, well, you know,
you knew where to look? You right there there it is. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
So I also mentioned that there were also collectibles in here.
There's one that that I don't think you know. Now
we're off the subject again. That's okay, But there's one
that I don't think Tiger would even know. But I
think you would you see that blue vase up in
the corner.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
That is a vase, not of oz. Yes, and it's.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
From nineteen thirty and it's a male version of a shmoo.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
A male vision of a shrew shmoo. Oh a shmoo.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah, remember little abner, Yes, I do. Okay, there were
male and female schmoos. They bred quickly, but I don't
have the female version, which was a pink bottle.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Okay, but it was.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
A limited edition and you know who would even know it?

Speaker 1 (41:00):
A schmoo? A little more towards you? Yeah, there you
go perfect. You know what. It's a little too late
because Tiger's has set the camera down, But I'm impressed
and uh enamored with that radio that you've got there,
the old phonographed type looking radio with a record player
and the oldest speaker.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Horn, you know, and the record player works on that?

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Does it? Really? Yeah? Well that is that's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Yeah, my son gaming that.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Yeah. Why don't you like it?

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Why don't I like it?

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah? Because you didn't you say you wanted to give
that to me, you'd had enough.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Well I was going to surprise you. But now that
you've seen it, there's no point.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
That is right, that's very cool. And you do you
have a Bible in here? How many versions? King James version? Uh?
New American Edition, Contemporary English.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
You know that's has two uh in two translation it's
in it has side by side the New International version
with the.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Message okay, good. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Have you ever read the message? It's kind of a.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Is that like you read something and then it tells
you what you just read.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
No, the message is like like us talking doing a
radio show, how we would be talking about you know
what it's It is a translation. Okay, but it's like
modern day English. It's likely you know, here's the words,
but it puts it this is what it meant. It
was like them, you know, back then it would be
like saying, that's cool today Jesus.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
On the apostles. They hustled down to the beach to
look at the seashore.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Not exactly that.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Daisy has a question, Yeah, regarding fruit tree spraying, how
should you time the spraying between the rains?

Speaker 4 (42:43):
I know we should spray multiple times?

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Where is daisy?

Speaker 4 (42:49):
Where is Daisy? Like, well, where does she live? Or
where is the question?

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Well?

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Where does she live? Because Rick in Idaho asked the
same question, you know, on when they should spray, and
there's different sprays for different things in different times, you know,
California versus a climate that's going to get cold is
a big difference. And when I lived in Michigan, we

(43:17):
sprayed the trees with a dormant oil to kill overwintering insects,
and then also a lime sulfur spray to kill overwintering diseases.
Now in California, lime sulfur's have been removed from the market, right, correct,
So you can't.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
And for a long time it was copper, remember.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
Yeah, but the.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Problem with copper is that we in California, we use
lime sulfur to prevent peach leaf curl. And uh, again
the timing. If you want to prevent peach leaf curl,
the tree has to be sprayed before the flower buds open.

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Once the flower buds open, the tree is already going
to be infected. But so you need to spray right
before that. And they usually used to say one or
two springs. But they also said copper oil at the time,
which the last university studies I read said that wasn't
effective at all, right, So I think the main reason

(44:25):
they sold the copp roil was because they took the
lime sulfur off the market.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
But in terms of timing, like youse a, it has
to do with where you are. It's not just about
the rain, meaning it's not just about, oh, it rained,
I should spray my plants for bugs, right because it's
going to rain again. You say, it's also the time
of year where you live, because you could be spring.
I was having this discussion with someone yesterday. There's caterpillars

(44:55):
eating their liquid ambers, decimating these liquid amber trees, and
you know that's bad and we don't want that to happen.
But I'm also looking at it like these liquid ambers
are going to drop their leaves anyway in the next month.
So whatever I spray right now, yeah, you know what,
I might kill some caterpillars and that's fine, but the

(45:17):
eggs are going to be there in next spring. So
I said, a better plan is to know, hey, when
these liquid ambers leaf back out again, now let's begin
to treat the trees. Because it's pointless to spray right now.
Whether it's rain or not or whatever, it's pointless to
spray right now. And so you know, Daisy, you know,
as far as you know. Number one, any spray that

(45:38):
you use, you don't ever want it to rain or
get washed off, usually about twenty four hours, so meaning
you know in between rains.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Yesterday would be a good idea.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Yeah, it would all gotten washed off.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
There you go exactly.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
You know, that's a general rule for any pesticide, herbicide
funge aside is it's got to stay on the plant
or or or what you're treating for twenty four hours
before you get any kind of washing off of rain.
Number two is think about what you're doing as far
as timing and the time of year and what you're doing,
because there are specific sprays used for specific times a

(46:13):
year that help solve your problem. I mean, that's the
funny thing about these dormed oil sprays is John mentioned people,
I go, oh, yeah, you wait for all the leaves
to fall off and then you spray it. And they're like, what,
I just spray all the sticks And I go, yeah,
you just spray all the sticks. That's what you do,
and they're like, how does that work? Well, you know,
you're being proactive, you're kids eggs. You're doing all that

(46:35):
because when the leaves come out and when John says
when the flowers come out.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
It's too late. It's too late.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
You've already you've already got the problem. You can't solve
the problem, and it's too late, so you got to
do it before. So I hope that answered your question,
Daisy regarding that, what's the name of the company we
advertise that has all the good gardening problems?

Speaker 4 (46:59):
Thank you Leonora for reen it up.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Yeah, you know, and.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
Uh, Carla right away.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Fertilo Fertilom.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Absolutely in the beauty behind the Fertilome products is that
a lot of them are geared towards independent garden centers
and they gear them for a specific thing, right, so
you're using a product that is is specific to that.
A big problem with a lot of the overall garden
sprays is that they just kill everything, and you know,

(47:25):
they just you know, you gotta be careful with that.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
So okay in his break time once again, as we
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we're still broadcasting biz talk radio, Facebook Live. Good to
have you long here from John's Library, Faulberg, California. We're
north of San Diego but still in for the most
part San Diego County. A lot of looks like a
whole week of rain here, so that's always exciting and
big news for us here in southern California.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
John in Newport Beach is asking a question about daffodils.
He's getting ready to plant them, and he said that
his don't naturalize. Oh, it depends on the type that
you put in. For instance, paper whites I think are
going to naturalize anywhere, right.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
I mean mine are coming up now.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Yeah. And that's the funny thing. You always think of
paper whites blooming in the spring or for Christmas, you know,
they get forced. But if you plant them, they bloom
in the fall, you know, this time of year. It's
great in California. Once they naturalize, and usually the smaller,

(48:49):
smaller flowering daffodils are going to naturalize more than the
big trumpet ones.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
Yeah, trouble with those ones here.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Yeah, Yeah, even though they will come back sometimes, the
closer to the coast you get, you know, like John's
and Newport Beach, he's gonna have really mild temperatures, it's
going to be a little more difficult.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Yeah, And and they get kind of like that floppy
leaf growth happened to there that doesn't always turn into
like what you're saying, like a flower, like an actual
and actual what you want.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Yeah, yeah, and he John also asked Tiger the difference
between daffodil paper white and John John quill, and I
guess they're different sizes of the same genus, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
They're all the same. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
So John Quill's are are basically smaller daffodils and then smaller,
smaller sized flowers.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
And then is paper white the smallest.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Yeah, paper whites are are big clusters, and there's they're
mostly the white, but there are some yellow paper whites.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
So it's like paper whites are like the smallest of
the flowers with clusters. Jonquill is a smaller a little larger,
but smaller than a daffodil, and usually more singular flowers,
and then daffodils are larger flowers tend to be just
one to two flowers coming off of it. And do

(50:22):
you think that it's kind of true where you'll get
paper whites earlier and then daffodils being the latest if
you were to.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Yeah, there are some early flowering daffodils, but usually the
larger the flower, it's a later bloom. Not always, but
that's a rule of thumb you could go by.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
Okay, I always thought.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Paper white daffodil jonquill was kind of almost like a
regional term, like some people just knew them of that
kind of like Frangia pany plumeria, you know, like if
you're from some parts of the world, you know as
a plumeria is a frangi panty still the same plant,
still plume area, but you just know it is a
different name.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah. Usually the they rather than saying john Quill, most
people say narcissus. Oh yeah, yeah, you know, and then
paper white is a type of narcissus, but the nurse
it's basically daffodils versus narcissus.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
John Quill's are are usually shorter plants too, so it's
kind of like a subdivision of a narcissus, but not
as tall growing.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
You know, one of my favorite bulbs, Brian.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
I know, for me, it's a tulip.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
How about you Scilla peruviana. You know those are the
purple it's kind of like a hyacinth looking Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
I really like those ones. I don't know why there's.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Bulbs you know, got a good blue color, which.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Yeah, and they and they do well here in California.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Yeah, I just think it's unique, e can different and
like you say, they do well here and not all,
not all bulbs do well here in California because they
tend to be things that like a little bit more season.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
What about the bulb that they're selling for like fifty
dollars apiece or up to.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
For one for what?

Speaker 2 (52:19):
It's a type of squill, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Is it? You know?

Speaker 2 (52:23):
The big I'm trying to think of what it is now,
but it's a huge.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Bulb, like bigger than an amoris, like.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Three times the size of an amorll.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Oh my goodness, I'm not familiar with this. And to
look into it.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
And the bloom is comes out on a spike.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Is it called.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
They?

Speaker 2 (52:52):
It comes out with us three foot to four foot
bloom spike. I'm sure you've sold them at your nursery.
Tiger really well.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
He's looking at he's looking at right now looking it up.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Giant squall and it has the big like squiggly foliage.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
But a giant squid came up.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Yeah, that's u.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Somebody a lot of corrected your spelling on that.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
In the flowers kind of white.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Yeah, white on a on a stalk.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
Yeah, what is that?

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Uh? What's the what's the botanical name?

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Dremia no giant c squill? No, well wait, it could
be Dremia maritima.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Yeah, that could be. Oh, I think there d R
I M I A. I think it used to be
called ur genia. You are I G I N E
A H and could be the new name. I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Yeah, that looks like a fun plant though. Yeah, it's
got a really neat foliage. Are huge.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
I don't know if I've ever sold those.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Maybe I have, but I don't know.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
It's funny.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
There's a there's a picture of a lady holding one
and like the bulb is the size of her head.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Yeah, look at that.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Yeah, that's funny. All right, back to questions. I know
there was another one. Sorry I got distracted.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
No, that's fine. Here we go. Umm mhm.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Liilah was pruning roses before it rained, and I cut
from perfume tropical from the auction. Oh, subliminal, fruity scent, subliminal,
So it's like it gets in her mind, the fruity
scent of it.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
This is how my mind smells it.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Perfume Trapicale is I think one of Michelle A. Dome's
roses from France. He and I'm trying to think of
the other French breeder right now. That two relatively new
French breeders, and they've got phenomenal roses. And that was

(55:22):
one we did have at the auction. So I'm glad
while I was able to get.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
The Linda John, I sent you an email asking about
issues I'm having with my lilacs. Basically, one is blooming
now and they are looking stick sickly. They are planted
where old lilacs were planted that I thought died of
old age, some sort of lilac disease.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Question mark.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
All right, hold on to that thought because we have
to take a break, give us pause for thought. A break.
Commercials on BIS Talk Radio. Thank you to frid of
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It's Garden America, John bagnasco Tucket Power Fox. Probably in
main back after these messages, if you're tuned in to
BizTalk Radio, this is Garden America. Okay, two more segments.

(56:09):
This one that we're just kicking off is our longer segments,
so plenty of time for questions, comments and more information.
And that gave you time to think about that, John,
just before the break. It did.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
But what was I thinking of?

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Just remind me.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
The lilac from Linda. Oh no, no, I'm sure they do.
And she lives up in Reading.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
You know.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
The the one problem lilacs have in parts of California
is it just gets so darn hot in the summer
it burns the leaves, and especially in reading. But she says,
Linda is saying the leaves look bad. Now, well they should,
and they're going to fall off. They go dormant in
the winter, so all the leaves should be falling off

(57:00):
off and and then they should be blooming again in
the spring. I'm not aware of any root diseases on
lilacs as selling as the soil drains.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Well, yeah, and I think kind of what you hit on,
it's not just the folige sometimes because you know, a
lot of times these plants will.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
Have a good amount of volage.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
And the other thing that I've experienced is when the
sun hits directly the point I've always you know, we
we used to have the discancel lilacs that we would
sell out our nurtiy, right and even up there, I
tell people planted in the shade a little bit because
they always seem to do better people that plant them
in the full sun for some of that protection.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
If they could be protected from hot afternoon sun, that
would be best.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
You have one on the.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
East side of the house.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
East, yes, yes, to my to our left, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
The east side of the house. And it's called Angel White,
which one of the Disconso hybrids, which is you know
Brian were bred by doctor Walter Lamberts up at Disconso Gardens. Yeah,
and he was the one who also bred the Queen
Elizabeth Rose.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
No stop in Wally, I'm going to keep on going.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
I also wanted to mention because this thought just came
to me that there used to be another gardening show,
not ours, that used to tell people to put acid
fertilizer around their lilacs. And lilacs are one of the
very few plants, not very few, but certainly less so

(58:49):
than other groups of plants that are acid lovers. Lilacs
prefer an alkaline soil, So don't use acid fertile lasers
around your lilac. That's definitely going to be detrimental. Most
most soils in California are our alkaline to begin with.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
So I think that was Bill and Jim's Garden and
Wine Show that was professing that they're no longer on
the air.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
They did have an excellent adventure though, Oh no, that
was ted ted.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Yeah, the gard and Wine Show.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Thanks to the listeners letting letting us know that my
mic was off. Brian tends to mute me every one
I was off. You blew it man, all right.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Actually, John and I discussed that.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
She said the lilacs had a lot of milk do Yeah, yeah,
that'll happen. That their leaves are just gonna fall. Don't
worry about it.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
It'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Tanya Plu marya question. My cutting I got in April
has done great, It rooted, had flowers. It's in my greenhouse,
so I can keep it dry. However, I noticed the
trunk branches are looking wrinkled.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
Is that normal?

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
I'm not watering now, even though it still has leaves,
So wrinkling on the trunk or stems of plumerias is
is kind of normal, But it's it also could lead
you into you know, like why she's asking the question.
It could cause, you know, a problem on a cutting.
You know you it It probably does mean that it

(01:00:28):
was you know, not it was rotting, right, you know
you you you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Were over water growing and blooming all summer. What her
plant's been growing and blooming all summer?

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
But like as you said, you've had plume areas that
have grown and bloomed and then.

Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
They just fall over and die.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Yeah, but she's kind it in her greenhouse now if
it's I don't think the shriveling is ever a good sidence.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
No, you don't want shrivel. You want to avoid that,
you know. Speaking of that, My plumeria looks like it's
it's wonderful. It looks like it's.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Tanya's can you're rubbing it in her face, right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
But mine shouldn't look as good as it does right now,
should it? Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
Goodness, Tanya, don't worry.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
No, I didn't do anything. No, that's what I'm saying.
I stopped, I stopped watering. I've done all the right things,
and yet it looks like it's in the prime of life,
prime off its bloom cycle.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
I'm wondering if how long it's been dry that you've
been letting it go dry, Tanya. I'm thinking that if
it was me and it was raining, I would actually
stick it out in the rain and let it and
let it get moist again.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Then put it back and that's good water too, and.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Then don't water it at all for the next few months,
that kind of a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
And see if that swells the stems back.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Yeah, yeah, because you know, like you're saying, obviously, it
shows it signs that there was a problem. Doesn't mean
there always is a problem, but I mean there was
a problem, and a good way to fix that problem
right now is too if it's dry, give it a
good drink of water. See if it reacts to that,
let it dry out again. If it reacts to that,

(01:02:06):
you know, you know, you know, you it is just
too dry.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Yeah, but you know, usually for the stem to dehydrate
like that usually means that it wasn't able to take
up water.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Right, so the roots could be dead.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
The roots could be dead and it could have dried out.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
A couple of different say, yeah, but it's a waiting
time right now, because not a lot you can do.
When should you plant garlic from rick in Idaho? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Do they do fall planting on garl a garlic in Idaho?
Or did they do spring?

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
I don't know, I know, I know in you know
Gilroy in California.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Gilroy doesn't freeze though.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Yeah, exactly, so yeah, yeah if you but Bricks doesn't.
He always talk about how he's in an area that
is kind of more mild.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Well, he lives by Gina, Yeah so my daughter. So
he's in an area that is the banana built of iah. Yeah,
but it does you know, it freezes and it snows.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Yeah, and yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
I think that's something you could google for your area
when the plant guard garlic and boise.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Yeah, yeah, I'm just because obviously it matters where you are. Yeah,
and he can't freeze right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Yeah, here in California, you can plant now right all
the way through spring.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
H what you got in my audio? What's that?

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Tiger's disappearing?

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
You're you're on?

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Yeah, well you can't hear yourself unless you're talking tiger.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
No, but his mic. I've had his mic on the
whole time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
I don't see his lips moving.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Are we listening to the rain?

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Listen?

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
You know we should have had We don't have music anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
The problem is is that there's a delay. So I
don't know if I'm talking.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
About that's right? Yeah? Yeah, we used to, didn't we?

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Well, I was thinking of you know, I don't know
if we ever called it that. We always talk about
intros intros, and then there was also one, but I
started calling them outros in my book.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
For outros, fine, do they use outro? Sure? Or what's
the other term they use going into a break? I'll
think of it. Outro's fine? What's your intro? What's your outro? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Huh have you ever heard that thing?

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
I was fiddling with other things?

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Sorry, stop fiddling. Yeah. We're talking about an intro to
a song or an intro to a segment. And then
when you're you're leaving the segment going into a break.
You have you have otro music. Oh really, Yeah, we
used to do all that because back then Facebook you
couldn't do that. Now it's different. You can play music
really well. Yeah, if you go on Facebook to make
videos and stuff, they've get all these artists that obviously

(01:05:13):
they've worked out some kind of royalty thing with them.
So yeah, if we were back in studio doing that,
we could play around with the music side.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Hear it it is and for us to hear it
in this I'm looking through the window and I can
see your truck truck out there, and it's bouncing off
the top.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Yeah, actually it's bouncing so it looks like it's almost
like coming down from the roof instead of but you're
not even parked under the eaves or anything.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Yeah, yeah, it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
It is good. Okay, So we've got about a minute
here before the next break.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
You said we were about to take a break.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
I got about a minute, all right, Well, or Ory's
about to. It just depends on how close we.

Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
Are, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Things frequently break on the show. When we come back
from the break, though, I have something I want to
talk to tiger about wrinkled trunks.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Yeah, no, no, it's just about.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
The time of the year and a type of crop
or type of shrub.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
And I would if we were playing music, I would
play time with the season with the zombies. But we
don't play music.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
So time of the season.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
It's the time of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Oh yeah, I know that sounds he knows it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
All right, It is break time for a Friend's on
biz Talk Radio Facebook Live Brian Main and John Bagnascar
tag at Pella Fox. One more segment coming up back
after these messages. Yes, I did push your button right there,
it's on your mic is on testing one two three.
Hey you made it. If you've hung in there this long,
we are right there at the last segment, the last
segment of the show. Well done. Well, we're not over.

(01:06:45):
It's not over yet.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Hey, this is the epilogue.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
This is this is well done.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
If this was the end of John's book, this would
be the epilogue.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
All right, John, what's your question about?

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Oh I wanted to ask, is I think we're coming
into uh the beginning of Camellia season?

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Yeah, because it isn't. I don't know if they're blooming yet,
but don't sussanc with camellias, which are referred to as
sun camellias sometimes start to bloom right about now or
we little early.

Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
No, no, no, you're you're right on schedule.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
This is the time that you know you want to
start looking for your camellias, and you know the varieties
are going to start to bloom, start to start to
see the really neat ones come into nurseries and garden centers,
and you know, I mean it's I really like, I
don't I think a lot of people don't like them

(01:07:38):
because they don't bloom often, or they bloom in the
winter and not in the spring.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
But nothing else blooms in the winter.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
And that's why I think there's such an important plant
to add to your landscape, because they do add that
sense of spring, and they're ever green, you know, and
the foliage is nice. Not a lot of pest problems. Yeah,
I mean, what's the biggest thing you may be that
plagues a chamelia scale occasionally? Yeah, you know, but they
don't get aphids like normal flowering plants, and they don't

(01:08:07):
get a.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
Lot of the other issues.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
So the only downside I will say to uh, nowadays,
camellias is a lot of the growers you know, are
not not around. So so a lot of the cool
varieties are difficult to find, you know, Nuccio's. I don't
know if they're done or on their way out. Still,
they've been on their way out. They're like a They're

(01:08:30):
like a mattress sales company. You've had that liquidation sales.
Let's see, Leonore, I lost my camellia.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Check out back Lenar under that one tree.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Yeah right, Uh, Carla, I have lots of rose hips
not ready to pick.

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
Would you like someone ready?

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Tools are eating. Squirrels are eating in your camellias. Oh
that's a bummer. Do they go after the road the buds?

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
I've never had that problem.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Really, you don't have squirrels up here?

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Do you?

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
You have ground squirrel You have ground squirrels, not as
many as I used to have. Yeah, that's what I mention.
You've curtailed the the onslought.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Oh I didn't tell you guys. Last week one night
or one day, I should say, I caught.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Three gophers one night.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
You said, well, it was during the day. I put
them out for the coyotes steat at night. By the ways,
you set out six traps and got three gophers, and
two were in one area, which really surprised me because
you know, Brian always says they're territorial, yeah, and usually
you only have one, but these were two, Like the

(01:09:40):
traps were set within three feet of each other.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
It will never you can't control. You can only contain.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
You're talking to the gophers.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
You, I mean, it doesn't matter how many gophers you
trap and kill. They're you know, it's like the ocean,
there's always a wave behind each wave.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
I'm eighty five deep Sanna Trench, Yeah, exactly, good Marianna
or Marianna's the Mariana Trench.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Marianna, okay, Marianna Trench of the Bath of scaff Treette
nineteen sixty one, the first two that went down to
the bottom of the trench. I forget that. Yeah, clipso
I thought, hey, speaking, that's Jacques Coustall. Jaques Coustall.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
By the way, we saw Jacques Cousta's Yeah, it was
in it was in France. It was in No, No Monaco, No, yeah,
the Monico in Switzerland. No, I think it was Monaco.
Just yeah, speaking speaking of the Mariana trench. I watched
a guy yesterday on YouTube ski down Mount Everest from

(01:10:49):
the summit no oxygen impressive. How long can you hold
your breath?

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Well, you can it real? Yes, it was real. You
can only be in that it's thirty three percent oxygen,
so you have like you could stand it for like
they said, eight or nine hours. But so he skied
and now I'm not talking about you know, real fast.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
You'd build up a lot of speed by the time
you hit the bottom.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Yeah. No, he was like if he had to be
very careful, he would stop and he would he would
crab crawl a little bit and go down because there's
a lot of rocks and stuff. But it was impressive.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
I find that hard to believe, do you, Tiger?

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
No, well, no, we go home, not ever ski I'm
sure I could do that right now, and you have
to go home.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
And to prove that it was true, to prove that
it was true. Sponsored by Red Bull. Oh, I mean
they do a lot of crazy, they do all that
kind of stuff. Okay, just a couple of two or
three minutes here.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Yeah, sorry, we're kind of cutting in and out during
this last segment.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
You know, it's kind of sun spots even though we
can't see the sun.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
It's the heavy rain.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
It's the heavy rain, heavy rain.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
Okay, John's TV antenna.

Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
He picks the rabbit ears John.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
We got about a minute and a half. Guys, John,
what do you got.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
Well, John, John's not going to be here next week,
two weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Just Brian and I we'll figure something out. Something will happened,
Something will happened.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Instead of we used to close the show by saying
and and we'll see you next week on Guard to America,
I've changed it to we'll see you next time.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
We're gonna be back here at John's house, Joe without John.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
You know, you guys are welcome to I'll leave the
back door open. You can come on in.

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