Gardening Fitness with Madeline deVries Hooper - Garden America Podcasts & Radio Show [4.13.24] - Garden America - Gardening Podcast & Talk Radio Show

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Welcome once again, it is GardenAmerica. You came to the right place.
I'm Brian Main. He's Tiger PellaFox. We are back for this
weekend, for this weekend show obviouslyevery Saturday right here on Facebook Live and
biz Talk Radio. Our good buddyJohn magnasco Well, John is off today,
Tiger. He's got the Rose auction. And last weekend when he was
here, seemed like John was justa little bit in his own world,

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and then during the breaks he said, I've got so much on my mind,
so much on my mind. Youknow, this is always his big
time of year with the rose Auction, and you know, he puts so
much energy and effort into making sureit's successful because you know, this is
a big money maker for the CoastalRose Society, which helps you save these
roses worldwide, and you know,and it's John, so you know,

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he always puts a good amount ofeffort into anything he does. But you
know, I'm glad to see thatit's kind of coming around and after this
then he's all done. And thenin a week we're heading off to Costa
Rica, so hopefully he'll be relaxedand able to enjoy that speaking to Costa
Rica. We leave next weekend,a week from tomorrow, the twenty first.

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Yeah, right, ten o'clock Plaineleaves Limberg Field. Goodness grat So
those of you and other parts ofthe country, are the parts of the
state, are the parts of anywhere you are. If you're going with
us, we welcome you. Welook forward to seeing you. It's going
to be a good time, greatat itinerary. So that's happening next weekend
already. I know that's it's goingto sneak up on us and we'll be
making you to share and post,and we're going to try and do a

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live broadcast from there and all ofthat, so you'll have your updates,
no doubt about that. Pictures,fun short videos, and then I guess
toward the end of the week,we've got to stay at a hotel I
believe on Saturday, the weekend beforewe leave, and maybe we'll do a
show from the resort. Yep,exactly. So yeah, I mean,
I'm just trying to think of allthe things that I have to do to

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get ready to go to Costa riconnect. We talked about that when you came
in this morning. I said,has it hit you yet, it's it's
my wife and I were we're we'rewe're getting ready. We're like the boiling
frog. Yeah, we're simmering.But then you realize the closer it gets,
you got things to do. Yougot the right suitcase, got the
right carry on, get all everythingyou want to bring with you. It's

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you know. So I've been writingstuff down on my phone, little notes,
little notes to get ready to sothose that can't go with us,
Yeah, you'll be you'll be partof it. We'll take you with us
and to get you involved as muchas we can. What are you looking
around? What are you looking at? I was looking at one of the
shots that I have, and youknow, it's dark. I'm dark.
I gotta oh you're you're dark?Yeah? Oh the shot of you right
now? Yeah? Or was ohyou know why because the ring line ring

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light was normally over there right now, it's not now, it's now,
it's in front of you, alittle behind the scenes. Well, thank
you to all the people that arethat are tuned in already, Sue,
Tanya, everybody else, Dana,Yes, yes, indeed, we so
appreciate you too, And of coursethose on biz Talk Radio as well,
so John is off today, We'regoing to carry the load Tiger our guests
today, Madeline, What about Madeline? Those that did not receive or read

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the new letter? What about Matteline? And Madeline Debry with garden Fit,
She was on our program last year. Garden Fits a new program on a
lot of the the PBS stations.Right right is a PBS KPPS or anyways,
a lot of the local TV stationson broadcast some really fun shows,

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and garden Fit is one of thoseshows where they can, you know,
watch a show that's about gardening.You learn a lot about plants, about
nature, about different aspects of gardening, but you also learn about how to
do it where you can't get hurtor you can get some physical exerciseble doing
it. So it's kind of likea workout slash gardening shape, stay in

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shape to garden stretch. You know, it's so true. Now, I've
been in better shape in my life, but I'm not. I'm not in
too bad a shape for the mostpart. But but to to echo what
you're talking about, if I goout and do a lot of bending,
transplant, watering, no problem.The next day, I feel it in

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my legs, yeah, I'm like, wow, I didn't really think I
did all that much. So Ithink that's what she's going to be talking
about. How to stay in shapewhile your garden. How to stay in
shape and how to prevent injuries,and how to stretch. You know,
for you, you have a lotof pots, and those pots I'm sure
get heavy, and so you knowyou have these awkward movements that you do
with him toil a liner. Yeah, that you can tweak something really easy.

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So it's all about kind of stretchingand staying limber. I think for
the most part, I got thequote of the week. Should I hit
that right now? A little early? But why not? You know who
knows what direction besides Madeline Today,we of course urge those on Facebook Live
with your questions, your comments,so you can always take the show in
any direction you want to, aslong as we're helping you and answering those
questions. So the quote of theweek is the desire of activity is designed

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by nature to promote our physical wellbeing. Physical activity is the law of
physical health by Edward Brooks talked aboutbeing physically active and being able to be
able to garden without hurting yourself toomuch. Yeah, and you know,
why not do it while you're enjoyingnature or while doing something you enjoy doing,

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right, Like, you know,it's funny people would talk about,
Oh, I don't want to goto the gym. I hate going to
the gym. That's that's fine,you don't. You don't need to go
to the gym. You don't needto run a marathon. But if you
enjoy biking, if you enjoy surfing, if you enjoy gardening, why not
make that part of your physical healthand stay active and stay active. And
that's the thing is to stay active, keep moving. Yeah, you're not

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just you know, there's times ofrelaxation. You need the good balance.
But you know, any advice Icould give anybody as they get older,
just stay active. Yeah. Iremember this is so interesting being in a
high school class history. Now,our history teacher was also the football coach
and coached a lot of other sportsactors. And he was talking to us

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in class one day and he saidsomething about your futures and your seniors now
and this and that, and hesays, but remember right now, you're
in the best shape you're ever goingto be in your life. Yeah,
Like, what are you talking abouthe was trying to tell us it's not
gonna you know what, unless youkeep up, you're not going to be
in as good as shape as youare right now at seventeen eighteen years old.

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Yeah, and when you're at thatage, you're like, I can
do anything. I'm immortal. Yeah, you don't think you're you're you're gonna
grow out of that, right.Yeah. You realize later on, like
how come it hurts to bend over? Yeah? Right, And it's not
even so much the hurt or thephysical shape, it's the recovery time.
So to give you kind of anexample, my son yesterday, Isaac,
he went at his school and dida jogathon where they just run at ver

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every many laps they can do.And how old is he? Isaac's nine
years old. Okay, so we'retalking about a nine nine year old,
right, So he goes to hisschool and he does a jogathon. He's
a very active kid. He justwonderful at this jogathon he did. He
did the most laps for his classat this at this jogathon, right,
So he did well well. Lateron in the day he had baseball practice.

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So you have baseball practice he's runningaround, They're throwing, sliding,
catching, doing all that kind ofstuff. In the evening, he also
plays lacrosse, and in the eveningafter baseball practice, he had this lacrosse
event where he got to go toa high school lacrosse game with all of
his lacrosse buddies and they're running around, playing tag, throwing the lacrosse ball,

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goofing off, wrestling and doing allthat stuff right, and I'm looking
at him like, how is hestill going? How is he still functioning?
But then he'll get up today andhe'll be fine, and he'll do
it all tomorrow. I could probablydo a lot of the things he did
yesterday, probably not as well ashe did. That's your recovery. But
I would not be able to getup today. Yeah, it's interesting when

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you when you think back at everythingthat you did. I remember being in
my first year of college at theUniversity of Wisconsin. I went there to
play hockey. So I'm playing hockey, but I'm also taking physical ed courses
because if you were an undeclared majorand you played a sport, then they
said, well you know what you'reYou're a phized major until you decide otherwise
God, I'm like, okay whatever. So sixth period I would go and

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suit up in football because it wasto teach you how to play football and
there was contact. Okay. Afterthat I went and did my real job,
which was hockey. Yeah, AndI look back now and I thought,
whoa, how was I able toget hit playing football and then go
play hockey and get up the nextday and go to class. Yeah.
So yeah, as you get older, you realize how good a shape you

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were in. And Dennis magnuson thehistory coach and my coach in sports,
you were right, absolutely right,no doubt about it. Yeah. Well,
Madelin's going to join us, sohopefully give us some tips on you
know, at our age now andyou know what our abilities are to be
able to enjoy what we're doing sothat way we can continue doing it.
Absolutely And our good buddy Kevin Lawrenceis tuned in right now on Facebook and

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I went to junior high and highschool with him, and he'll be with
us in Costa Rica as well.Yeah, Kevin, wait to spend some
time with you and hope full you'llenjoy Costa Rica and we'll be seeing a
lot of fun. See We gota couple of minutes here, actually about
a minute and a half till ourfirst break. What about tomato mania?
What's happening with tomatoes? So tomatoMania for us is kind of wrapping up.
We still have a small selection oftomatoes, but we will be getting

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in tomatoes throughout the season here atMischnol's Nursery. But they still have their
events heading up north, because asyou move north in the state, you
know, their spring starts usually alittle later. I mean, didn't we
just get in a message from someonein San Jose where it's raining there and
the rain is going to make itsway down here, but probably nowhere near
as cold or as much as thenorthern parts of the state. Right,

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So southern California, we're in fullspring mode kind of thing. It was
warm this week, you know whatit was. It got hot. I
got in my car at the endof the day eighty five degrees. Now,
of course it was sitting in thesun, so when the inside temperature
in the car adjusted, it wasstill seventy eight. That's warm, and
I'm like, wow, go home. The doors open, patios open.
And then again here would go witha little bit colder weather, Yeah,

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it always happens this time of year, kind of that false sense of like,
Okay, summer's here, not yet, it's still gonna be cold.
We're going to take a break.Thank you for those tuning in on biz
Talk Radio, those on Facebook Live. I'm Brian Maine, Tiger Palafox.
John is at the Rose Auction thisweekend. We're going to take a break.
Bring on, Madeline. We're goingto talk about how to keep in
shape for those of us that liketo garden, to bend the squad,

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to move pots around, to dumpingsoil here and there, so do stay
with us. Brian Main, TigerPalafox here on Garden America. Okay,
welcome back to the show. Itis a garden America. John is off
this weekend the Brian and Tiger Show, Tiger Brian Show here on guard in
America. We're going to talk aboutstaying in shape and all kinds of physical
activities things you need to know asyour garden. And they're having a good
time here this morning as well.Tiger. Let's bring on Madeline. Yeah,

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so this morning we have our guestMadeline to r Hooper with Garden Fit.
Good morning, Madeline, how areyou. Good morning, Tiger,
I'm great, how are you good? Welcome back to the program. You
know, wonderful to have you betjoining us from last year was your inaugural
season of garden Fit, where youguys had season one of a brand new

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gardening physically fit show that aired acrossthe nation. And you know, what
a fun concept for a program wherepeople get to enjoy seeing you know,
great gardening topics, learning how todo things, you know, being on
the farm, learning how to grow, but at the same time learning great
techniques of you know, staying physicallyactive, stretching, how to prevent injuries,

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and just being able to connect withthe community that's you know, the
gardening community. And you know,then now we're into season two. Congratulations,
you know, I mean, that'sthat's wonderful that you guys, you
know, are back with a wholenew series of episodes. So first off,

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Madeline, you know, tell usin your in your words what garden
Fit is. So I think gardenFit is a program that will help people
enjoy their gardening even more. Thegardeners that we visit are so inspiring.
Each one of their environments is sospecial and so inviting to all kinds of

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birds and bees. I mean,you just see so many different types of
plant situations and people who visit thesegardens all over the country. It's really
delightful, and we get great ideasfrom our guest gardeners about our own gardens.
But the big heart of the showis to really help everybody get up
and down from the ground easier andliterally there's things easier, and make sure

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that they're using the right part oftheir body while they're doing that. So
they have a lot of energy forplant care, and I think they need
to have the same kind of energyfor their own body care. So that's
what we're really about. And thisyear's this season's focus is a little bit
more on art as well. Right, Yes, So season one we visited

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people who gardened really day and night, I think, I mean, gardening
was their life and in most casesit was their profession. They were landscape
architects and designers. And for seasontwo, we visited artists and a big
ride of fields Tiger from you know, visual arts to culinary arts, musicians,

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but all of them were also passionategardeners and what was so exciting was
how mother nature has so affected everythingthey do. In their art. It
was really a different way of understandinghow important just being in nature is to
everybody's well being. But for themit was really just a part of their

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life and it's such a kind ofcreative way. It was very inspiring.
Yeah. I always get amazed withartists, and you know, whether it's
a you know, landscape artist,painter, sculptor you know, photographer,
because you know, what they cansee out of something that I just completely
overlook is always just mind blowing tome. Or what they can create out

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of something that you know, Imean, you know, sometimes they'll just
use scraps in the garden and createsomething just beautiful, you know. But
now to kind of you know,incorporate the idea of being physically active,
being physically fit while doing it justgives it another another aspect of people are

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like, oh, like, it'sone thing to be working out there in
the yard and creating something, butit's another thing to actually get some exercise
and enjoying it. And the onething I will say about the program is
that you make it enjoyable. Youknow, your personality, your energy is
really a great energy to watch andyou know, you get inspired to actually

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get out there and get physically activeand do these things myself as well.
So, you know, for thoseof you that have not seen Garden Fit
yet, you know, definitely checkit out. From you know, being
able to watch Madeline and get motivated. How do you how do you keep
that energy up? Madeline? What'syour secret? Yeah? There you go
up. The secret really is justletting it happen to you, being in

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a gorden and just smiling when yousee a beautiful flower. It's just an
opening of your heart and your mind, I think, to everything that surrounds
you, and when your body feelslike it's in the right form in other
words, you know, so manypeople think they're going to blow out their
knees or their back gardening, andwhen you actually feel stronger and healthier when
you're bending over, it just amplifiesthat experience. And frankly, I don't

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lose energy because I'm never stressing mybody anymore. I mean, I'm very
at one with nature because of that. So going out to Gordon and lifting,
you know, a trug of soilis something that I enjoy now.
It's never been a chore anymore.And I think that combination really makes you
feel at one with yourself. Yeah, and I think and that gives you

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energy. And I think the onething you you mentioned right there for everybody
to kind of take as well asdon't think of it as a chore.
Don't think of it as a taskor something you don't want to do.
Think of it as you know,you're enjoying it, you're exercising, you're
getting out, you're doing something youenjoy, so you know it's just part
of what you're doing, and youknow, and then that makes it enjoyable,

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right exactly. You know, Iused to before I sort of started
this show and was trained to reallyuse my body correctly, I would go
out and we to bed tiger foryou know, two hours, and the
next morning I could feel a lotof stress from that. Right, people
have done that. The enthusiasm ofGardner's is kind of fabulous. But now

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that I really know how to modulatenot only the use of my body,
but maybe just weed for thirty minutesand then move on to pruning, and
then those muscle groups that I usefor weeding get fresh again and I go
back to weeding. So even learninghow to organize the gardening chores that I
love to do that give you greatrewards when you're finished, you know,

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waiting or punting a bush the wayyou love, it become even easier to
do. And again, like youwere just saying, it's so rewarding,
it's never feels like a chore anymore. It just feels like an activity.
It's almost like dancing. Yeah,dancing takes you know, a lot of
physical energy, but it just feelsgood all the time you're doing it.

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I don't listen to music when I'mgardening too good because it's a wonderful experience.
Hey, so you know, I'msure you know shooting these episodes,
you know they you make it lookso enjoyable, as I mentioned, could
be kind of physically challenging as well, Like do you have to get prep
to shoot a season of these shows? Because you know, you're you're out

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there, you know, doing everythingthat everybody else is doing, and if
not more because I'm sure there's there'sretakes, there's resets, and you got
to do things over and over again. You know, after a shooting a
season, are you ready to goagain? I am? I mean,
actually, I enjoy it so much. It's so exciting to hear these guests

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talk about how they started their Gordon, why they planned this certain plant here,
the combinations, how they led aplan self so and their Gordon,
and I just am so intrigued byhow everybody Gordons because it's so personal that
it's that window into someone's life reallydoesn't make a tiring. They're also every

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single one of them were pros.It was never like don't look at the
camera, make sure you don't saythis. They really needed no prepping Tiger.
They just loved talking about that Gordon. They love getting tuned up by
Adam. You know this year wehave this season, excuse me, we
have a new trainer. And Adamreally spent so much time with them on

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and off camera that they became soexcited about learning how to tune their body
to God better. Yeah, hey, hey, Madeline, we're gonna have
to pause for one quick sec.We're gonna take a break, but we
do want to get back to Madelinequickly, and yeah, we'll continue chatting
about garden fit. Yeah, andkeep your train of thought, Madeline.
Going to be a quick break,a break for our sponsors on BIS Talk
Radio, quicker break here on FacebookLive, and the reminder that today's show

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and every show brought to us byour good friends at Fertilom. Stay with
us Brian Main, Tiger Palafox hereon Garden America. And just like that
we have returned from the break.Those on Bistalk Radio. Thank you for
tuning in Facebook Live. I seea couple of questions coming in. We'll
keep those in mind. Keep thatplace in the comments section, so don't
fret as we continue our conversation howto stay fit? What should you be

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doing stretching up and down in thegarden And Madelin's got some good pointers for
us, Tiger. Yeah. Andbefore we cut off Madeline kind of going
into the break, she was mentioningthat you have a new co host for
the program to kind of help peoplewith the physical stretches, the physical exercise
and thinking about what your body's doingwell gardening. And his name is Adam.

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Is that right made? Yes,Adam Shurston. And he's a personal
trainer. He's an author of abook about exercising, but it's really about
using your own body weight. Andhe is an expert about posture. That's
kind of his specialty and that isreally helpful. Yeah, And posture is
probably one of the biggest things whenit comes to gardening, because you know,

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I was talking with Brian and youknow he has a patio where there's
pots, and you know, thosepots get heavy and you tweak your body
because you're trying to twist or turnor lift in the most awkward ways.
And it's really a lot about bodyposition and posturing, right, Madeline,
totally, totally. So again,if you use your back to lift things,

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you're already in trouble. You've alreadystressed all parts of your body,
including your back. But if youuse your legs and your hip joints correctly,
and we kind of show that onour socials and also definitely on the
show, you would be amazed athow easy your body gets in balance to
lift heavy things if you're using theright joints and right muscles. So not

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that it isn't stressful to move onaround, Yeah it is, but it
doesn't have to be harmful. Itcan be physical, but it should be
healthy for you and again just makeyou stronger. Yeah, and and you
know on that, you know,one of the things I watched a few
of the episodes from last season,and I've seen a few of the different

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parts from this season. It's it'skind of neat too because with the new
people, you guys talk about alsosome different tools that people use and and
different things that help make it easier. And you know, that's such another
part of it that you know,there's a lot of stuff out there,
I mean, you know, tohelp you do things well and a little
easier on you that people don't thinkabout. And you know, you know,

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there's so much that this show coversthat you know, it's really really
kind of a neat program. Andreal quick, where where can people find
garden Fit, Like, how dopeople watch this show? How do people
find it? Right? Well,of course there are a couple of ways.
Probably the easiest way is to goto our website, which is gardenfit

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dot fit. It's really easy tofind. But you also can go on
PBS dot org slash garden fit ifyou have that app and it's streaming there.
Or you can be connected through ourwebsite because we'll connect you to your
local public broadcasting station that's streaming it. Or you can look at your TV
listings because it's just starting to beshown all over the country on public broadcasting.

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So they're really three ways. ButI think our website is probably the
easiest. It'll connect you to everything. Yeah, and I posted a link
in the chat right there for thegardenfit dot fit for people to find out
where it's listing or watch the episodesas well, because you know, lots
of great information as we're talking about. And you know, as far as
you know the Adam, you know, the show works out where it's kind

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of like you and him visit these, you know, guests of yours.
How do you guys, how doyou guys pick the guests? You know,
now that you guys are into seasontwo, is this something that you
and Adam have kind of worked togetheron collaborating on? Does the does the
network kind of put you in touchwith these guests? How does that happen?

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You know? If by luck anythingwonderful. Being so involved in the
Gordon world, it was easy tofind so many guests for season one.
This time it was a little bitmore challenging because we wanted people who were
artists again who also Gordon, butthe same friends that I know through you
know, just going to lectures,traveling to different Gordons and different conferences just

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help me. I really just gotconnected. Even some of the guests of
the show had friends that they suggested. So Francis Palmer, who's a seramesist
who's wonderful, suggested her friend MarionBrenner, who is probably one of the
top photographers for Gordon books in thecountry, and her garden was spectacular,
and so we even when you seeher episode which is coming up in a

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few weeks, she teaches everybody howto photograph that Gordon. I mean,
there's so many sides to the talentsthat are involved, but they were it
was a little harder to find them, but we did it on our own.
You know. Really, PBS doesn'tget involved in the production of these
shows. Okay, so that's kindof all on our plate. Nice.

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It was great. And the otherthing that I think that Adam has brought,
if I may say, is thiswhole understanding of body alignment and how
you really should in your mind knowhow your body should feel in good posture,
what it feels like to be connectedcorrectly, and that memory that he
keeps reinforcing also helps people just instinctivelymove the right way, which is kind

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of where you want to get to, where it's just a habit to bend
correctly. It's just a habit toget up and down from the ground correctly.
So it's very positive and it's veryeasy, and you don't need devices.
It's not exercise. Yeah, it'sreally smart movements. So that's kind
of cool. And you know,Madeline, I'm sorry to try me.
And this is Brian Maine, soI would imagine. Also, what you
just said is so true. Onceyou train yourself to do it the right

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way, you don't even think aboutit. Now for those people that say,
yeah, but I've already got eggsand pains, I really there's not
much I can do. Actually,by doing what you're suggesting, you're going
to take care of some of thoseeggs and pains and pretty soon maybe have
little or no pain at all ifyou go about it doing it the right
way, correct correct And that's youknow, I started this because I had
so much pain gardening the incorrect way. I had tons of bad habits.

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But like you know, I thinkI told you the last time we spoke
that within a month a month anda half, I was already developing a
better habit. You know, ifyour body feels better, it will replace
a bad habit pretty quickly. It'sa matter of you know, a little
determination on your port to overcome thebad habit and replace it with something that's

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healthier. And you know, youknow, you had mentioned Adam kind of
talk about like just you know,body weight, you know, exercises,
right, and you know you're talkingabout just the repetition of things. You
know, when you guys were outthere and you're you're visiting these artists and
you're kind of seeing these new places. You know, do you see how

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you can kind of connect from oneto the next in the sense of somebody
in a you know, desert scapecould align with somebody in a you know,
tropical garden garden, somebody in agreenhouse. And a photographer can connect
with a sculptor, and a sculptorconnect with a painter. Because you know,
there's a lot of things when itcomes to body weight and alignment that
doesn't matter what you're doing, it'sjust the same stuff, right, absolutely

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so for this sureamesis for example,who you know, throws clay on a
wheel. She's sending over, likebending over when she's caring for her cutting
gardens. Yeah, and so oneof our visual artists, Jose Alvarez Dopa,
he literally is bending over his micacanvasses to do these amazing overlays of

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colorful paintings, also using nature,like with porcupine quills. But he has
a two wacotropical garden that he looksafter, so there's a lot of bending
and lifting there too. So youknow, in life, we should use
our bodies correctly for anything we do. But for artists, they have such
similar needs. It's pretty profound andit's exciting. You know. It's nice

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that that there is a world ofpeople whose body movements. If they move
their bodies correctly and have that bodyawareness, we'll enjoy everything that they do
even more. Yeah, and howfun must it be for you to see
all of these different things? Imean, just the opportunity to go and
talk to these people and see whatthey're doing and get an insight into how

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they think and how they do things. You know, you know we talked
earlier, Yeah, we talked earlierin the show on your energy, and
you know, definitely that's got tobe fun, right, It is fun.
It is really fun. It's justyou know, I had talked to
them so quite a bit before weactually met them, so it's so nice
to actually put a person, aphysical person, to the voice, to

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all the emails, and it wasreally a treat to be with these people,
and some of them, a lotof them I'm going to see quite
often because I they just became,we became in each other's lives, and
some of them are now meeting eachother. To your point of this connection
between them, which is really,i mean just lovely. We're like a
little club of happy people. That'swonderful. Hey, we are going to

(28:45):
have to take a break in aboutanother thirty seconds, right a minute,
just under a minute, Okay,But you know, we talked earlier on
the phone and I had mentioned Madelinethat we're going to be taking a group
of listeners to Costa Rica, yeah, next weekend, and you had some
great tips when we get back fromthe break that I want to touch on
for people that are traveling. Wewill be walking, we'll be hiking,

(29:07):
Yeah, we'll be visiting gardens.I'm sure people will be bending over,
you'll be taking photos and all kindsof stuff. So what a wonderful treat
for us to have Madeline on theprogram to share some tips for our guests
that are going to be joining orif you are going to be traveling in
the future. Madeline has some tipsfor you while you're out and about to
be able to kind of keep active, keep healthy, keep strong. So

(29:29):
when we get back, we'll continuechatting with Madeline with Garden Fit, our
Garden Fit program, the Garden favShow. You got it? Okay,
We're going to take a break.As Tiger mentioned, if you're tuned in
on BIS talk Radio, final segmentcoming up for our number one. We'll
talk about that on the other side, though for the rest of us Facebook
Live, Bistalk Radio, do staywith us. John is off this weekend,
myself, Brian Main, Tiger,Pela Fox here on Garden America.

(29:51):
We are back from the break.As I mentioned prior to the break those
on bistalk Radio, this is thefinal segment. If you're our number one,
we do come back at six minutesafter two hours on BIS talk Radio.
We do hope your market carries,if not to both hours, at
least one hour. We're gonna keepin shape. We have to bend.
We have to do a lot inthe garden. As talker mentioned prior to
the break, we're going to costaRica. We need to be in shape,
but to some degree Tiger. Yeah, I'm sure you probably you know,

(30:15):
lived through some of this Madeline becauseyou know, the doing the episodes,
you travel around, you go todifferent places, and then you've got
to get out and shoot and dothese physically active things. So, you
know, I think we all understandsometimes traveling and then you know, then
actually doing something active is kind ofa challenge because you're seditary for a while,
but then you have to get upand go. So you had some

(30:38):
tips for the people that maybe we'llbe traveling with us to Costa Rica,
right, I yes, I do, so, I mean sort of a
whole whole career of thoughts to share. One that's really important because I'm sure
you know it's again this posture ideaof aligning your body correctly. For example,
excuse me, when people are walkingup hills or certainly hiking up mountains,

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a lot of them put their torsoover their feet. They're sort of
trudging and having their head go inthe direction of the hill. But if
you change that habit and put yourhips first and let your hips lead the
way, you're not carrying so muchupper body weight as you're moving up a
hill, and it feels like you'refloating. Just the simple body changed like

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that I think would make the worldof difference. The other thing that's really
important as sort of health and safetytip is if you're going up and down
steps or uneven terrain, you reallywant to use one foot at a time,
which I know sounds, but ifyou step on let's say a stone

(31:48):
stairs and they're a little wobbly,you want all your body weight on one
foot so the other foot can catchyou. So a lot of people quickly
shift from one foot to two feet, but you really want to make sure
your whole body weight is down onone foot and then you can put the
other one next to it or infront of it. But really how you
shift your weight will give you notonly great balance, but it'll prevent you

(32:12):
from falling, which is important nice. I even like the idea of carrying
a walking stick because that also holdsyou up. Not a cane level.
I'm talking about something that's really youknow, almost comes up to your shoulders,
so you can keep your body uprightand use that to help you get
through again, very rocky or veryuneven terrain. It's just a lovely feeling

(32:37):
to have that upright position with anupright stick, and then one other thing
that is really important. This issort of a lady thingskuis, but it's
it's you know, obviously backpacks aremade for people who walk and hike,
but a lot of women really needto make sure that if they're bringing a

(32:57):
purse of any kind that is bodyor around their waist, because you don't
want something that you're holding in onehand. You always want to hold something
or equalize you know, what yourbody is doing, and not only both
sides, but certainly both hands.So it's really important, I guess for
men and women if you're carrying aheavy camera to switch off hands as you're

(33:20):
walking or anything, you know,even a bottle of water. Just keep
it moving from one side to theother. It's sort of our tip about
being ambidexterrous. Whatever you can dowith your favorite side, you can do
with your other side, especially whenit comes to carrying. So that's helpful
too. Oh yeah, that's variable. A lot of people don't think about
that, right, you know,And as you mentioned, women who carry
purse, they throw it over oneshoulder and you know, like you say,

(33:43):
it's their strong shoulders, so theyleave it there for an hour or
two while they're cruising around and thennext thing, you know, they don't
realize they've been overcompensating all one ortwo hours, and now the other part
of their body hurts. And absolutelyyeah, and you know, you know
these are these are really easy,simple tips. And you know you mentioned

(34:04):
the walking sticks. You know,as far as you know, those are
very easy to pack and carry,and I know they make a lot of
very nice collapsible ones that are lightweightas well. You know, but people
have to think, like you know, when they do a trip, you
know, whether it's with with usor anyone else or whatever. You want
to enjoy that trip. So therefore, you don't want something to happen while

(34:29):
you're on that trip right to ruinit. Right, Like you mentioned,
one step at a time. Youknow, I'm sure we're going to be
walking through very beautiful landscapes, veryscenic areas, and our eyes will be
floating all over the place. Butif you trip and fall, you know,
that's that's that could be the endof your fun, you know,

(34:49):
so why not just focus one stepat a time, you know, get
a backpack, get a fanny pack, you know, something that will make
it more enjoyable, so that wayyou can and truly endure the full experience.
And you know you mentioned the hillthing that makes so much sense,
you know, to to save yourlower back and just posturing while walking.

(35:10):
Yeah, your hips is so useful, way more useful than people realize,
I think. You know. Theother thing is that even if your if
you have a backpack on whatever,if your arms are for you can be
opening them wide and stretching your chestand you know, almost embracing the scene
that you're looking at, and that'sstretch, you know. Or you can

(35:31):
clasp your hands and put them behindyour back and take a deep breath and
let them lower and it'll open upyour chest so you're breathing becomes easier and
healthier. Yeah, there's so manythings that I do when I'm just walking
literally to get a hose in thegarden, I'm constantly moving my arms or
doing some of the stretches that you'llsee on our show on Garden Step because

(35:54):
it's not it's mt, it's multitaskingin a healthy way, like yeah,
yeah, yeah, And you knowyou need a moment to just stop and
look at the beauty around you.Yeah, definitely right, And yeah,
and one of the other things.I remember watching an episode last season and
what you know, you guys don'ttouch on this too much because you're more

(36:16):
focused on like the muscles and thestretching and all that. But you guys
also did mention, you know,just the idea of you know, eating
eating healthy, drinking water. Youknow, all of those things kind of
also help you in terms of recoveryand in terms of you know, being
able to to do the exercises thatyou guys are doing working in the garden.

(36:39):
I mean, I think there waslike one time where you guys were
on a farm last year and itwas you know hot, and you know,
just talking about just talking about drinkingwater is also a really important part
of just staying active and being ableto do it right. Absolutely, And
I think for gardeners, they're soturned into how much what did their plants
need, certainly the plan, andthey forget that they need water too.

(37:02):
Yeah, that's true again, justan awareness of understanding that you know,
your body just wants it. Oil. Hey, we're going to take a
break here in about another ten tofifteen seconds, Matteling. When we get
back from the break, I definitelywant to retouch on you know what episodes
are coming up in the future thatpeople can look for how to watch garden

(37:24):
Fit and you know, maybe you'llgive us some insight on maybe one of
your favorite episodes that's coming up forseason two. So when we get back
from the break, we'll continue chattlingwith Madeline. Yes, indeed, and
those on bistalk Radio News coming up. We came back with you for you,
it's six minutes after. Hopefully you'llstick around or hopefully your market does
carry us for the rest of uson the Facebook Live, it'll be a

(37:45):
quicker break and we're going to comeback finish things up with Madeline. Any
last minute business as well. Thisis Garden America. John is off this
weekend, myself, Brian Main,Tiger, Pella Fox here on Garden America.
Back from the break, back fromthe news segments on BIS Talk Radio.
Thank you to our sponsors for ormajor sponsor here on Garden America,
and of course the rest that youhear on biz talk Radio, Thank you

(38:05):
for supporting us. We're talking aboutstaying in shape, how to do this,
how to do that, don't dothe wrong thing, do the right
thing, make it enjoyable, ifyou're on a vacation, on a trip
whatever. That also well holds welltoo, Tiger in terms of not getting
hurt when you're thousands of miles awayfrom home exactly. And we're talking with
Madeline Devivie Hooper with garden Fit andGardenfit dot fit is the website. Season

(38:30):
one already wrapped. People can watchthat now online and streaming. Season two
is underway. You had a greattime, I know we talked earlier shooting
the season two Madeline. What aresome episodes coming up that people can look
forward to and did you have afavorite episode that's going to be in season
two? Well, I definitely didn'thave a favorite episode because each one was

(38:52):
kind of equally exciting in so manydifferent ways. But coming up next week
is a wonderful episode. It's aflower form. It's called a tiny Heart
flower form, and Jenny and herhusband Luke run it and they started with
about two acres and now they haveforty acres of flowers. It's magnificent.

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And they also they harvest their flowersand they do wonderful weddings, floral arrangements
and celebration arrangements and all kinds ofthings that go with that, and they
gave us a chance to work withthem, to actually see Jenny put together
one of her bouquets, which arevery seasonal and beautiful, and then they

(39:36):
let Adam and I do what theycall this big dramatic thing, and it
was so much fun to actually havethem guide us, so we understood how
they actually do their artistic work.So I think it'd be fun for people
to see that, even people whodon't know how to do flora bouquets and
drama with flowers, we'll really geta kick at us thing. This one

(39:57):
we got hands dirty, as theysay, good good, Yeah, Flora
bouquet has always blow my mind.I've been working, I've been working around
flowers my whole life, and Ican honestly say I still cannot put together
a bouquet. So that'll be definitelya mussy Oh good, that'll be a
mussy one. Look great together nomatter what. That is true, and

(40:21):
I try to keep it simple.I'll just pick one, put it in
a vase, call it a day. That way, I can't mess it
up. But that's brilliant, ye, lots of really do I think that
then you can really just appreciate thatone gorgeous flower. Yeah, right,
Yeah, I do a lot ofeffort in going and picking out that one
flower. So hopefully, hopefully myhome appreciates it, my kids and my

(40:42):
wife. Maybe in a few yearsyour kids will appreciate it more older,
Yeah, exactly. And as wementioned before, garden fit dot fit.
You know, that's a fun that'sa good website, a dot fit right
there, remember that not dot comdot fit. You can kind of catch
where the episodes are or you cancatch where they're streaming as well, and

(41:05):
then past episodes and then you know, great way to stay in touch with
Madeline here. You know, I'msure there's information on maybe where you're going
to be doing talks or you know, different things people that can stay in
touch with the garden fit community,right Madeline. Yeah, And that it's
all on our website and we do, you know, a lot of socials

(41:28):
every day. So get Gordon Fitis sort of a way to get into
our Instagram and Facebook, et cetera. And we do a lot of information.
Like Adam and I have done alot of posts that's just show specific
what he calls tune ups. Reallythe ideas that we've done on the show,
we kind of demonstrate them together.So that's also a nice window into

(41:51):
what you should be thinking about,especially now as the seasons are changing and
people will start cleaning up their Gordon's, which takes an awful lot of physical
effort. Yeah, you manage.We'll be going and sit before your store.
Agreed, get ready. Now it'sa good way to look at it.
Hey, well, Madeline, thankyou very much for joining us.
You know, I hope you're havinga good weekend. You're still in Florida,

(42:12):
right or you? I am?Yeah, well, still in Florida
for another few weeks and then backnorth. I go and spend my whole
summer in my gord, which Icannot wait to do. Oh well,
I'll enjoy it, and you know, we'll talk to you again soon.
Thank you very much. Thank youlovely to be with you. Bye bye.
All right. Yeah, a lotof good information there. You know,
things that may seem so obvious,but it's all about retraining the way

(42:36):
you are doing something which is probablywrong to begin with. It's just thinking
about it, you know, likejust just being aware of it. Your
your body, you know, asshe mentioned, wants to do it the
right way, wants to not feelpain in whatever you're doing. You just
have to think about it a littlebit and then you'll be fine. You
know, when you're when you're usedto doing something the same way though,

(42:57):
that's where the retraining comes in theplace, because you're doing it with that
thinking. So by retraining and doingwhat she has suggested you, it's like
a one eighty. Now now theway to do it right becomes very natural
to you, right right, becauseyou know, I get told you I
still to this day, I getsore doing some of the most mundane things
in the garden because you tend touse muscles that you maybe you don't ordinarily

(43:20):
use. But if you're going touse those muscles, do it right so
that you're not so that it sothat it's something you look forward to.
Basically, you want to run backup the scroll back and see if we
can answer some questions. You know, Linda mentioned my rheumatary arthritis has made
gardening more difficult but worth the effort. Uh, And Linda, my wife
has rheumatoid arthritis too, And yeah, I mean, you know, there's

(43:44):
good days and bad days, andthere's things that they can do well,
and you know whatnot but you know, I'm I also know that staying active
helps, you know, kind ofbe able to just keep active, stay
act because the minute that you stop, like we talked about her, right
the show is is where you reallystart to hurt. Now, before that,
there's Connie. If you scroll backup, she has moles and voles,

(44:10):
lost garden. What are what aresome good things? H Basically she's
lost three roses. She can actuallysee where they've moved the dirt evidence at
the base of the roses and allthe root base. So you know,
I mean, you know Connie.John you know has touched on the gopher

(44:32):
issue in his rose garden a lot, and I think with moles and voles,
I think the gopher hawk is thetrap he's using also works for those.
There's also the Maccabee traps, rightif you're into traps. Obviously there's
a lot of baits and poisons andsmoke bombs and things like that. But
the one thing that I will sayif it comes to roses is John has

(44:57):
also had great success and also retransplantingthose roses getting them to come back.
You know, a lot of peoplewill look at a plant and they think
it's gone and they think it's gone. And what he'll do is he'll take
it, cut it back, putit in some well, you know,
draining potting soil. Maybe give ita little bit of rinse with an HB
one zero one advice, gape itmoist and they will root back out and

(45:21):
you'll be amazed at the plants thatcome back. Roses are very tenacious.
Sometimes you have to actually work tokill them. You know, there's evidence
of roses. You know, yougo to a cemetery, maybe that cemetery
has been there for two three hundredyears, and roses that John refers to
him as cemetery roses. There's nobodytaking care of those roses. You know,
roses do quite well on their own. In fact, some people won't

(45:42):
even trim their roses back, theyjust let them go. So you're right,
as far as the rebounding, you'reprobably going to have some pretty good
luck. Yeah, But in termsof the actual problem, you know,
you trape. You know, theone thing that I will say that I've
seen with John, he's been doingrow is guardening, you know, for
one hundred years, you know,but the gopher hawk has kind of reinvigorated

(46:07):
this this and excitement. You know, he comes in here, it gives
us the reporter. I got thirtysix of them, and you know that's
what you need to find to callto to solve your problem. You know,
you can't dread going out and settinga trap, putting in bait,
putting in the smoke, bombs,doing whatever it is you it becomes part

(46:29):
of what you do as a gardener. You have to enjoy it. Whatever
you find, enjoy it, andthen it'll become easy, and then then
you'll do it more and you'll bemore successful. So there's a lot of
options. You know people, Ithink people tend to lean toward a hobby
or something that's that's low maintenance.Yeah, but but gardening is a different
thing because, like you said,you should enjoy it. You should get

(46:50):
out there and enjoy what you're doing. Whether it's raking leaves, whether it's
getting rid of gophers, getting ridof moles or voles or whatever. It's
all part of the territory. Whenyou buy the program, that's what inside
that program. So either take partin the event or say, you know,
maybe maybe this isn't for me.But again, it's all about attitude
and staying in shape. So thenit doesn't become such a chore, right,
right, And speaking of staying inshape, Lenora had mentioned how to

(47:12):
move pots preventing shoulder pain, andwhen Madeline has was with us on the
program, she had mentioned, youknow, using your legs, legs as
much as possible. Right, wheneveryou're doing any lifting, any moving,
you know, your legs can bearso much more weight and so much you
know, more twisting and turning thanyour back or your shoulders. So it's

(47:36):
all about the posture and using yourlegs to do the work. Here's a
sports analogy for those that follow sports, even maybe every now and then.
You don't have to be a sportsexpert. But let's talk about baseball.
Let's talk about a picture. Wheredoes the picture get his strength from legs?
Yeah, those upper legs, thosethighs coming off the mound, throwing
the ball. Sure, your arm'simportant, but I don't know. I

(47:58):
see a lot of skinny arm pictures, right, And whenever there's an injury,
it's usually the arm. Yeah,So again we use that sports analogy,
but again it's true with whatever you'redoing in terms of using your legs.
We're going to take a break forour friends on BISZ Talk Radio,
coming back on bis talk coming backon Facebook Live. This is Garden America.
Stay with us. Hey, goodnews, we have come back from
the break. We trust you hada good break. Thank you to those

(48:19):
tuned in on bis Talk Radio FacebookLive. As we get to as many
questions as possible, Veronic is goingto be pulling a multitude of weeds.
Hopefully you're in shape, Veronica,and do it correctly whatever you're doing.
And also too, we should talkabout this too. Take a break now
and then, yeah, you know, doing anything for more than fifteen twenty
minutes, thirty minutes at a time, take a break and make sure you're

(48:40):
well hydrated, especially going into thesummer. Definitely some good tips. And
Carla mentioned my husband insist on uson using a walking stick when we walk.
It's more comfortable to switch hand andhold it with as I go along.
So you know, you can havetwo walking sticks, you can have
one and then just switch off.There's there's kind of a sense of power

(49:00):
too when you have a walking stick. You know, you feel kind of
I'm in charge here, you know. Yeah. My mom even mentioned because
my dad's going to be joining usin Costa Rica that and he loves to
take pictures and he carries a cameraeverywhere he goes, you know, switching
arms, you know, you know, trying to being able to make sure
that you balance it out, youknow. So you know, Leonora mentioned

(49:22):
drinking water as well. And thenoh, Paula mentioned the black hole trap.
And again you know, it's allabout finding the trap or device that
works for you, is easy foryou, so you will do it more
often, right, I mean,if you don't like doing it, you're
not going to keep doing it.And here's something else, and when you
see success, you'll continue to doit. Yes, And and then and

(49:45):
there comes that that that that senseof power and to sort of you know,
invigorates you that I found something thatworks. I'm going to keep on
doing it. Yeah, definitely.There is a question about red clover and
inoculant. What I can do withit before it expires? Yeah, I

(50:07):
mean it's it's just a cover crop. And so I mean as far as
it expiring. Hmmm, do wetalk about dying? Is that another word
for dying? Well? Yeah,I mean it's just less effective. It's
kind of don't they say that,you know, medicine when it has an

(50:28):
expiration date. It's not that it'sexpired, it's just less it keeps getting
less maybe less effective, but it'sstill gonna work. And that's the same
thing with the red clover. Isit's every year that goes by, or
every you know, period of time, or if it's exposed to the elements,
air, sunlight, you know,that kind of thing, it's becoming
less and less effective. So youknow, I mean, you know,

(50:52):
you would use it as a asa cover crop in the sense of your
garden to make sure, you know, you're recharging it with the nitrogen and
all the other things that you incorporateinto the soil. But you know,
as far as you know, yeah, it just becomes less effective, you
know, it's or less less successful. It's like when you go to the
store and you see the expiration dateon something. Now, now milk is

(51:14):
not in this category because with milk, but with a lot of other products,
it'll say best buy, yeah,meaning it's still good, but it
maybe it won't be the best.Yeah, Like those crackers are going to
be a little stale, they're goingto be a little old. Now we
see milk and it has an expirationdate. Sometimes that milk goes bad before
the date. Yeah, so itworks either way. You know, a

(51:37):
fun thing to do is you havean expiration date on your milk. Let's
say it's it's tonight. We'll stayup till midnight and see if if it
does expire. A fun thing,you know, one minute after midnight,
take us to set it on thecounter and just watch it and see what
happensactly. Well, I love twelveo one. I would love to be
in your house, Brian, withall the fun things to do that you

(51:59):
have. Oh my god. Yeah. My wife like, oh you're up
at midnight again. Huh yeah,we have a we have a great time.
We're a silly couple. But yeah, I did. That's so funny.
You know midnight, it's uh,you know April all one. What's
today's date, the uh thirteenth,April thirteenth, So the milk expires on
the fourteenth, So stay up untilmidnight and watch it expire. I'm trying

(52:21):
to catch up to make sure wegot everybody's questions answered to. A bunch
just came through all the time.I was like, oh goodness, yeah,
so keep the coming. Yeah.Good tip to break and hydrate and
the other thing too that I thoughtabout with all this hydrating talk is when
you're gardening or when you're traveling,you bring a proper sun care stuff,
bring a hat that's on our screen, and mosquito repellent, especially where we're

(52:46):
going. Yeah, you know,mosquito repellent, suntan lotion, hats.
You know. It's just the sunis our friend. We do need vitamin
D. Yeah, but too muchsun exposure for certain people is not good.
No, no, definitely not.And it's all about staying being able

(53:06):
to continue doing it, so likehave fun. At the same time,
when we talk about gardening specifically,it's like, okay, if your goal
is to go out there and picka series of weeds, a section of
weeds, Okay, if you goout there for five hours straight and blast
through that whole area and you arewiped out and you are sunburned and you're

(53:27):
exhausted, well guess what, You'renot gonna be able to do anything for
days, maybe a week, andyou're not going to look forward to doing
it again exactly. But if yougo out there for thirty minutes, you
do a section, you take abreak, you do something else for a
little bit, you get inside,you get protected, you go back out
there for another thirty minutes, andyou know, you do that chore over
time. Now you're going to besuccessful, but you're going to continue doing

(53:52):
it. You're gonna be able tocontinue doing it, and you're going to
enjoy doing it. So if it'sa good routine, you get into a
routine like anything else. Like whenwe come back from Costa Rica, that's
when I'm going to get outside andreally start prepping for summer. Yeah,
do a lot of cleanup, dosome heavy watering. Things are okay now,
but I'm kind of looking at CostaRica as you know what, when
we come back and that'll be aboutthe first of May, to get out

(54:15):
there and really you know, prepthings and see how things are doing as
we get ready for summer, becauseyou know it's still going to be cool
for a while. You will havethe June groom, June gloom, I
should say, the May gray andthings will start to warm up and you
want to be prepared for that.Okay. Yeah, like what Lenora says
exactly, just a guide and youknow what, and to some degree to

(54:37):
protect the manufacturer. Yeah. Oh, and then Carlic clarified her question.
She says, I don't. She'snot going to be planting the red clover
or any cover crop again. Soshe just wanted to use the up the
inoculate and wonder if it can beused as a fertilizer, et cetera.
Yes, it could be used asa fertilizer. Okay, Like that clears
it up, got it? Okay? How to eat an elephant one bite

(55:00):
at a time? Great, greattip. That's exactly great analogy. You
know, that's like a journey ofthee thousand miles starts with the first step,
true, right. You know.You know what was interesting when Madeline
was talking about going up a hilland how we tended to lean forward and
to try to use your hips andI'm picturing, okay, kind of pushing

(55:22):
my hips forward going up a hill, which I'm gonna try. Yeah,
I'm gonna try because I've got aI got a horrible back. My back
is so bad. But I havegood days. You have good days,
you know, But I'm not gonnalet that stop me. No, you
have to keep active and maybe pushthrough the pain as long as you're doing
it correctly. You don't want painto be caused by the fact that you
did it wrong right, and thencontinue doing it right, continue having more

(55:45):
and more pain. Yeah, Iagree with that. Yeah, So uh,
John, today up at the Roseauction. Today is Saturday, so
it's it's more fitting the meetings andmeetings and right presentations, lectures, and
then tomorrow is the actual auction.Right now now, John said, this
year, it's okay to miss thisyear, but next year we need you.

(56:08):
Oh yeah, something big next year, something bad. Yeah, I
think maybe I'm not sure he canexplain it. Next week when he's back.
Blue Rose is coming out. Yeah, and someone's gonna make a billion
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she will do it for you.You know. Back to Lenora's question about
the inoculant, is that you knowjust so people understand what that is is.
It's it's just the the beneficial bacteriawe talk about that is in soil
that attaches to root systems that helpthem grow, the MICROAAI, all those

(57:59):
beneficial you know, Bacillius and funstuff. So the inoculant activates those in
the soil. So that way whenyou do plant plants, your root systems,
now those ones are specifically to thoseclover or peas or beans. But
like in Leonora mentioned, it's justa fertilizer too, so you know,
it's not gonna hurt. And asfar as it expiring, it's kind of

(58:22):
like what we talked about where it'sjust less effective because it's a live product.
So the more time that goes by, the more product dies. You
know, for LA, you're talkingabout bacteria, Yeah, they only have
so much life in them, correct, Yeah, so they just kind of
die over time. So there's reallyno bad that's going to happen. If
you put it into the soil andit's dead, it's not gonna hurt the

(58:44):
soul. You look at bacteria asan army, a marching army, and
little by little, oh, someof the soldiers go they get picked off
you still have a few left.Just don't let the army become completely depleted.
You know which movie I'm going offtopic? Remember you remember Glory?
Oh civil war movie was civil thinkso right Glory and it was Matthew Broderick

(59:10):
someone like that, And anyways,you know that whole idea that they just
march in this line and they justshowed at each other. And I'm just
so blown away that this is theway that they this is the way that
wars happened. It sounds very CivilWar. Yeah, you know, just
you know, push forward. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm envisioning right

(59:30):
now with you with your analogy ofthe bacteria working through. Yeah, little
bacteria's just dropping off. What didwe talked about this before? Speaking of
everything everything that goes on underground,all the bacteria, and there's there's a
whole nother you know life down therewhere plants they would they would plant whatever

(59:50):
it was, could be a tree, could be a flower. And how
those roots would look for a watersource. Yeah, and let's say there
was a water source maybe fifty feetaway, how those roots would begin to
grow that way. Yeah, that'sincredible. They find it, They find
it exactly and it's not the fertilizer, and it's not always and it's not
by chance, you know, meaninglike what you're saying, if you were

(01:00:12):
to look at a root system andyou were to think, okay, it's
going to go straight down. Well, if you put a water source to
the right and nothing to the left, they will grow to the right and
right because they know, they don'tjust they don't just incidentally grow to the
left as well, and then yougo, oh no, there's nothing over
there. It's not happens to Yeah, they grow to the right, and
it's amazing network of bacteria and informationand minerals and all kinds of stuff underground,

(01:00:38):
and the roots tap into that sothat way they can survive, because
it's all about surviving. Well,look at it this way. Long before
we came around, plants were doingquite well. You go into the jungles,
nobody's taking care of the plants,nobody's fertilizing. They're doing quite well
on their own, exactly. So. But yeah, so yeah, I

(01:01:00):
think we kind of cleared up thatquestion that yeah, it's just a bacteria
and you know, if it expires, it'll be fine. But it just
at least as like my sewer pipes. Yeah, hey, that means there's
a hole in them. So yeah, good but good point. Yeah exactly.
And the rose auction today is happeningin Ocean Side. We've got a
couple of our listeners viewers talking aboutattending the auction. Yeah, if there's

(01:01:21):
some people that are interested and you'rein San Diego, let me find a
link and I'll post it. Now. We should have had John call in.
I know John's busy, he's alwayshe could have given us five minutes
on the phone. You're looking forthe address. I'm going to post a
link to their website. Oh yeah, so that way people can be able
to kind of go there. Andlet's see here. I got it here.

(01:01:47):
It's just the same building that youand I were in or attended a
couple of two or three years ago. Yes, Open ocean Side at the
l CO Ocean Side Senior Center.Yeah, that's it. I am posting
it onto the Facebook chat. Thatwas the year that Jerry Mathers was there

(01:02:07):
with his wife because there was arose named after him. Leave it to
beaver, h Yeah it was it, yep, Yeah, it was right.
Yeah, I think that was aI think you know what tiger.
That could have been twenty eighteen.It was before COVID. I remember that
that rose auction specifically, and Ithink it was the first one you went

(01:02:30):
to, or one of the first, one of the first. Tanya wrote
a comment, I was once toldit's not good to rototill garden soil,
as it could be harmful to thesoil balance. So the way that I
was explained she's talking about because you'redigging up and destroying all the good bacteria.
Well, okay. The way thatit yes, the way that it's
explained to me, and I thinkit makes so much sense, is that

(01:02:52):
right now the soil is a isan ant farm. You know, imagine
it's got all this network of tunnels, yes, and all this stuff happening
that they've the soil and you know, not just ants, but earthworms and
bugs and you know, all thebacteria and all that they've done this real

(01:03:13):
hard work on establishing this network ofinformation, water tunnels, minerals in the
soil. Well, what happens whenyou rototil it is you shake up the
ant farm and you're breaking everything up, and then they have to rebuild it
all because you've broken it all up. Now is rototilled soil easy to plant

(01:03:36):
in? Is it easier for youto work in? Does it drain better?
Initially? Yes, but you've brokenup all this wonderful network of you
know, bacteria and fucuses and allthat stuff in the soil. And so
that's why they don't recommend rototilling thesoil or turning the soil, is because

(01:04:01):
keep all of that stuff intact andthen when you plant now, your root
system will go into that surrounding networkof wonderful soil that you've built easier than
if it was all broken up andhad to reset itself again. So properly
mult properly fertilized, you won't haveany problems. That's why they tell you

(01:04:21):
not to till. And it doesmake a lot of sense. So and
it's a lot of work for nota lot of yeat. Like I mean,
you rode a till a garden andit's easy for you to plant in.
But you know, I mean,I don't know. I mean,
you could have done just as gooda job just digging home doing that.
So Connie says, thanks for thegopher hok tip. Another question, My

(01:04:42):
daughter loves our Cleveland sage and ismoving to central North Carolina, any chance
that it grows there in North Carolinacentral to no, I would say the
toughest problem with Cleveland sage is goingto be either extreme coal or extreme wet.
That plant does not like to bewet, so you know, it's
which North Carolina's wet yeah, andcold yeah, so you know, but

(01:05:08):
it can tolerate very cold for someperiods of time, just not prolonged periods
of times. So you know,I know North Carolina is certain areas,
you know, you could probably getaway with it, but it's gonna have
to do very well draining. Andalso you know, you probably can't have
you know, severe frosts for youknow, a week, you know kind

(01:05:29):
of thing. Definitely no snow,you know, and I know that some
areas North Carolina gets snow. Soit just depends on the region. But
but well, draining soil if ifit if it is warm enough to survive
there, well, draining soil isgoing to be your next thing. And
it's going to be very hot andhumid in the summertime, which which that
isn't going to be terrible as longas it's as long as it's draining,

(01:05:50):
you know, as far as hotand human. I planted a series of
Cleveland stages at a new install thatwe had, say it planted twelve of
them. Six of them died Andis that why you plan a twelve?
Is it a numbers game? Well, well, you know the issue was
is that we put a mulch downand then we got a series of rain

(01:06:12):
and they just never dried out andthey just died. Well that rain was,
yeah, it was heavy, heavy, So so in the in like
you say, I mean, it'sjust we we You know, if if
it hadn't a rain, it wouldhave been a different story. Because six
of them are thriving, but someof them got root rot. They just
died. And you know that's justthe And you know what plants are like
people in terms of you can lineup ten people, they're not all going

(01:06:36):
to be healthy. And now becausepeople want to know, like I planted
this plant, it did well andthis plant died. Every plant's a bit
different. They're not the same.So you know, you can have something
come up from seed, you canhave five things come up from seed.
Maybe two of them just died anddidn't do well for no real reason.
They just weren't as strong as theymaybe should have should be be it their

(01:06:58):
cell structure, be at the bioyou whatever. Yeah, I am knocking
people off right and left this morning. You're right. Hey, we've got
to take a break. Y,we got to take a break. We've
got one more segment coming up.Stay with us BIS Talk Radio Facebook Live.
I'm Brian Main, John Beg,Nascar, Tucket, Pella Fox.
This is Garden America, Garden America. We have return from our fabulous break.
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uh rick Rick. I noticed lowerlevel compost soil products have a lot
of wood chips and then fulfiller.Apparently the fungus that breaks down those woodchips

(01:07:44):
need to be need to use asubstantial amount of nitrogen to do so.
So don't be surprised if you needto fertilize with nitrogen for better plant growth.
Is that correct? So basic likeshredded palette material that will be you
use for woodchips. A lot ofthe times that they do the dye the
black, the red, the brownwoodchips, they just use shredded dead wood.

(01:08:06):
It's not live wood at all.It's been processed, it's been old
palettes whatever it is. Rick iscorrect and that it's actually completely void of
nutrients and it will actually deplete yoursoil from some of the beneficial you know,

(01:08:27):
nitrogen phosphorus of soil when you usethose. But it still is a
compost material. It's just not alive compost material. John, he likes
those products as long as you fertilizeaccordingly. As Rick mentioned, it's not
a problem. But you do needto know that it is not a soil
amendment. Meaning you know a lotof times people use bark and mult as

(01:08:50):
a soil amendment because they're told that'swhat it does. It it mends the
soil breaks down. Shredded wood chips, it is not a soil ement.
It's simply a soil covering because it'sdead. Because it's dead, right,
it does keep moisture in the soil, it does break down, it does
keeps weeds under control. Know whatyou're using for not an amendment, right,
because it's dead. It doesn't matterhow how much it breaks down.

(01:09:11):
It's dead to begin with. Yeah, Rochelle and brench Into all the travelers.
May you, thank you, Thankyou, Rochelle. We will miss
you, so you know, uh, yeah, we're looking forward to it.
We will be back next week.Yeah. Actually it's we're doing what
I call a not a last minuteshow, but last minute in terms of
the fact that we leave the nextday. Yeah, so that's gonna be
we're gonna be scrambling yeah next week. Yeah, so we will be back

(01:09:34):
on next week. We'll have ashow. We do not have a guest
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our way through the show. Andthen of course the following weekend, the
twentieth, No, no, thetwenty seventh, seventh, there'll be no
show from here, but we'll tryto give you a show from Costa Rica.

(01:09:55):
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There may be a show on thetwenty seventh. Tanya from uh Costa Rica,
because we're trying to figure that out. She's going to be at the
San Jose Cactus and Succulent Show andSale at the Fairgrounds Okay, that's going

(01:12:11):
to have some fun stuff. That'salways fun to go to those succulent shows
because there's some really unique stuff.Absolutely. Lisa says that Ace carries Furtilan.
Oh and that's an independent, youknow, much like any independent garden
show, garden show, garden storein your area. Y. Yeah,
we do the garden show here.Yeah, a couple of minutes to go
and then again we're back next weekend. John is back with us. We'll

(01:12:33):
hear all about the rose auction too. Yeah, I'm wondering what the big
seller is going to be eat tomorrow. It's always you know, it's funny
because it's always kind of a littlebit surprising. There's there's always the rose
that they kind of feel it tobe the big seller. But every once
in a while one will just usedto be abracadabras simsalabim. I remember for
a couple of years two three hundreddollars bids and then the next couple of

(01:12:55):
years not so much. Yeah,you know, it's like it's like the
rows of the month, the rowsof the you know, what do people
want? Why do they want thisrose? How hard is it to get?
And this is to save roses anddangered species. Yeah, you know,
so all the money goes towards theirefforts into maintaining rose gardens that are
you know, saving roses or personalrose collections that are ear geared towards or

(01:13:18):
shipping or producing. Because that's thething too, is that they use this
money to create the what would yousay, you know, you know,
they graft, they take cutting,they reinvest and reinvest into the rose to
sure repopulate it. Lenora says Amazonfor fertilo not surprised Amazon for just about
everything, right, But that's good. If you don't have a store,

(01:13:40):
you can go to Amazon will shipand fertilom and as you mentioned, Tiger,
they're more than just fertilizer. They'vegoing to a full line of products.
Yeah, and we'll be having himon. We have him in a
few weeks, in a few weeksright in the middle of May, just
to be able to kind of makesure everybody's right queued up as far as
what products are out and how touse them and when to use it and
kind of go from ready to go. So I think that's going to do

(01:14:01):
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