Herbacides & What They Do with Andrew Dannanberger- Garden America Podcasts & Radio Show [5.3.25]

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning. We've been off for a couple of weeks. Here,
I'm Brian Maine. This was Guard in America. By the way, John.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Still, I think I'm still a little off a little.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
That's what happens when we take a week off. Yeah,
the first couple of minutes of the.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Show go things out anyway, Tigers to my left, John
would be to your left, and then you would be John. John.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
You are to John's left, yeah, and you're to the
right of John on from you.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
See what I mean, folks, we've got. This is the
best that we've got after two weeks back in studio. Anyway,
what did you do for two weeks? What did I do? Well?
I work during the week. Last weekend I slept in,
did you Yeah, six o'clock that's sleeping in.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
When the alarm went off today, I was in a
dead sleep.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Oh that's the worst. I know.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
The night before I didn't sleep at all.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
But you know, You've always been a big rem guy,
haven't you.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I used to like i em a lot. I like
their early stuff.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
I do absolutely. Yeah, all right, Tiger catch up. He
just you know, he's a great Ed McMahon, you know,
shaking his head understands about half of it.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
We had some listeners. We were just talking about a
picture that they sent. Maybe I'll put it in next
week's newsletter. But they visited Tiger's Nursery, Mission Hills Nursery
and that was their favorite nursery.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
The three were there, right, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:25):
They went to that cactus and succulent.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Oh. The convention, yeah, yeah, I wanted to do that.
It was just such a long drive. In Today or
this weekend, the Pacific Southwest District of the American Rose
Society is having their convention and it's at the Ronald
Reagan Center in El calahoone. So this afternoon there'll be

(01:51):
a Rose show and you can also go tomorrow for
a Row show, and there'll be an auction, not a
huge auction like we usually have, but they're going to
have a small auction. I'll be the auctioneer.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
If you come by, say hi if you're an alcohol.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
This is win again for those just tuning in. Tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Very good tomorrow. Yeah, tomorrow's the auction. This afternoon you
can go and you can see the Rose Show and
you can also see the Row show tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (02:18):
Are they gonna have any speakers or is it just
a show auction.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
No, it'll just be the Rose Show and the auction.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
Nice. Yeah, you didn't enter any Roses this time around.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
No, because you know, to enter you have to do
it on Saturday morning, right, and then I've got to
come here and your priorities are leave you guys.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Alone Saturday, last Saturday, besides not having to drive in
to the studio.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Oh, come on, it's a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
There's times in your life when you feel old. And
I don't know if we talked. I don't think we
talked about it last week because we weren't here. But
I don't know what makes me feel older. This week
I became a great grandfather, great great So I don't
know whether that makes me feel older or the fact
that I have a son who's a grandfather. Yeah right, yeah,

(03:10):
that I think makes me feel older.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Well, I remember as a kid if just a grandfather
or grandma was ancient. You know. You know what's funny
is too, is that is that back in the day,
whenever that was, people were a lot older, maybe mentally
physically than they are today. I was listening to an
old radio show, which I do at night. I love it,
and It was an old Dragnet episode from the fifties,

(03:34):
so I tuned in probably a couple of two or
three minutes into it, and there's some guy talking like this,
and he's talking to Joe Friday, okay, like an elderly guy, right,
and then he mentions that his wife had just died.
She was sixty three, and I'm sixty seven. I'm like, what, oh,
you're not eighty seven ninety.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
Seven cigarettes And well, the whole point is.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Is, take a look at a nineteen sixty high school yearbook. Yeah,
it looked like they're thirty five years old.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
They do.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
So something has changed. I don't know if it was
the baby boomers in the sixties or whatever, but people
just seemed, you know, you hit fifty or sixty, that
was it. Yeah, you're done. You're done. So you got
about eight years to go, right.

Speaker 5 (04:16):
And then it's over.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
It's over. It's over anyway. I hear what you're saying, John,
about that. The whole perception of of that.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Well, like milestones, you know, milestones that hit you, yeah,
you know that age, and like becoming a grandparent and
then you know a great grandparent.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
Those are those are eye opening milestones.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
To think that, like, wow, there's four generations alive right now,
or whatever it may be.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Can you imagine what you would feel like if Isaac
was a grandfather, right.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
He's he's barely a uh you know, human like in
the sense of he's still just a child. Right.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
It wasn't that long ago. He was just a spark
in your eye exactly.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, So, yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
It is.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
It is about perception, which has a lot to do
with growing plants and horticulture the things that we do.
Because you can look at generations of plants.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
It's it's amazing seeing a yard development.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Did we by the way, did we have problem with
our audio for a second, because Dana said that we
cut out in the middle of saying where I was
going to be tomorrow?

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Oh? I think because you had a couple of swear words.
We had to omit. I don't know, I mean I
had to hit the seven second delay.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
If we did.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Maybe, but I don't see, okay now, yeah, I mean
I haven't seen an issue.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Now these things. Anyway.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
It could be our Wi Fi at home as well.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Oh okay, but anyway, if somebody's just joining tomorrow, I'll
be at the Ronald Reagan Center in Alkoholne for an auction.
So Rose auction. If you want to come by, just
say hello, right the Ronald Reagan Center in Alkohol.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
And if you're looking for the information, it's the Pacific
what like organization.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
It's a long name, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah. If you go to the San Diego Rose Society
website you might find that information also. But it's the
Pacific Southwest District Convention, the American road Side. There should
be a lot of good roses to look at. If
you just like to look at roses in a show,
go take a look.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Speaking of that, we'll go to you. How about how
are your roses this time of year?

Speaker 5 (06:19):
Great and beautiful? I can't go wrong right now.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
This is the time of the year. Everything they look,
everything's new.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
But oh, I'm loving my lead. I'm a leaf guy,
smoothly bug.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
There's no disease. It's absolutely pristine, like you're describing heaven.
It is it is it really is, you know.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
I mean I only I only have four roses, Orange Juice,
Chrysler Imperial, a yellow one which I can't remember the
name of it right now.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
And you have a Katrina, the Katrina, Reggy.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
Martin, Peggy Martin, and then John's no name.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I thought you had the orange one? Or did you juice? Yeah?
But I gave you Marina.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
Is that the yellow one?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
And yellow it's isn't Marino orange? I gave you one too.

Speaker 5 (07:02):
You might have Oh, no, you did? You did? I
do have it? I do have it though, so five? Five?

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Wait, wait a minute, you kind of trailed off. Did
I kill that rose? Did you kill it? No? You
did you trail off? Or did you kill it?

Speaker 5 (07:16):
I think you did?

Speaker 1 (07:17):
You assumed I killed something.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
What happened to the seedling? I gave you?

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Oh you mean that the sesame seeds that we bought
in a packets.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
But for Christmas, I gave you guys.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
Each I have I have that.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
So you have six roses?

Speaker 5 (07:31):
Tiger, No, that's including the five. Let me hold on.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Well, Tiger's main problem is that his hand only has five.
So once you get over five, it's a problem. You
got to move to the other hand.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
You can't kill something that never developed.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
That's a big debate. That's a big debate. Now you're
getting political.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
I don't think we need to talk about what never developed.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Anyway, John lack my lemon spice rose, you were going
to use it when you when you have a lack
of pictures one of these weekends.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Ye get this time of year. We usually we.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Get a lot, and that's fine. We should Okay, a
couple of minutes to the break, we're going to set
up our interview John. The quote of the week which
people are just not chomping at the bit but champing
at the bit.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 5 (08:18):
Yes, CHAMPI wow, because horse is champed.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
So let's see we had the quote, by the way,
Brian is from Truman Capoti.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Truman Capote.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Name two books that Truman Pty wrote?

Speaker 1 (08:34):
I know he was good friends with Liza Minelly right
my days at Studio fifty one with Manelli.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
So what did name to two books? Should come right
to me?

Speaker 1 (08:43):
That was Andy Warhol?

Speaker 5 (08:44):
Maybe?

Speaker 2 (08:45):
I think so call cold Blood was not a big
tody guy. You don't remember in cold Blood? Yes, But
but the other one was Breakfast Tific.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Oh that okay? Yes, wasn't that with I Hepburn?

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Movie? Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
So the quote by Truman is that in my garden
after a rainfall, you can faintly Yes, hear the uproar
of roses laughing.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
That's well, well put.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Isn't that a good quote?

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (09:20):
Will our guests have any quotes today, Tiger, lots of quotes,
lots of good information if you didn't get the newsletter.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yeah, who is our guest.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
We're having Andrew Dannenberger from Fertilome join us today to
just clear up a lot of things that are happening
new in the industry when it comes to herbicides and
secticides and what you need to be aware of being
a consumer.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Now. We talk about fertilome just about every week. So
those on Facebook Live, here is your chance with those
fertilom questions.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, and when Andrew comes on, you have to warn
them that people have mentioned on Facebook that they're sitting
there with pen and paper ready to take note.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
You're ready to take notes to can hold on to
every single word. We are going to take a break.
I'll be getting a hold of Andy during this break,
so do stay with us. Want to welcome a BIS
Talk Radio. Thank you. We had a replay last week.
Thank you, Stephanie. We are back live in studio iHeartMedia
and Entertainment Studios here in San Diego, California. Gonna take
a break for BIS Talk Radio back with Andy from
Fertilome after these messages on Garden America in BIS talk Radio,

(10:19):
all right, we are back from that break. One of
the better breaks, if I do say so myself. I
hope you had a good break on BIS Talk Radio
Facebook Live. As we get things going.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
There's never a break that you can't fix.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Well, you know what they say, when news breaks, we
fix it. Andy from Fertilom is with us. He's back again, Tiger.
This will be a good time to chat with Andy.
And as John mentioned and I told Andy on the
phone prior to him coming on live that a lot
of people with pen and paper and even a pencil
and maybe a keyboard to take.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
Me just auto dictate.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Andrew Danenberger from Fertilom is joining us this morning. Our
good friend Andrew. Thanks for taking the time to be
a part of the show.

Speaker 5 (11:02):
Hey, Andy, push the button, Brian.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Now we've got you. We call that operator error.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
Andrew, can you hear us? Maybe not?

Speaker 1 (11:15):
You know what, The button will not engage. Keep talking?

Speaker 5 (11:18):
Okay, the button will not engage.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
He can we move beyond buttons?

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, we're talking about this before this show that you
know we we should be passed buttons and keyboards.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Got a sticky button. We can't bring on a guest
because the button is sticking.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Yeah, exactly, you know, Brian, Brian senses this is going
to be a big issue, so you know it might
take a little bit more time.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
John, you know, before we.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Have and Andy join us from Fertilom. You know we're
gonna be talking about herbicides and pesticides out there because
you know fertilo being a manufacturer, distributor of all these
wonderful products. It's good to kind of get the inside knowledge.
Were you able to get it, Brian.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Let's give it a shot. All right, Andy, can you
hear us?

Speaker 6 (12:14):
Yes, I can hear you now, all right, much better.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
That sense of relief from Brian.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Right now, I have to tell you, Andy and the
rest I'm pushing buttons and I said to myself, which
we should never do, what does this button do? I
wonder what this.

Speaker 5 (12:29):
Button will do in the middle of our show.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
And there you are, so take it away, Andy and Tiger.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
All right, Andrew from Fertilum, thank you very much for
joining us this weekend. Our listeners are excited to kind
of hear from you, you know, wonderful products.

Speaker 5 (12:46):
Why don't you tell us a little bit about fertilm
before we get started.

Speaker 6 (12:51):
Sure, sure, yeah, no, thanks for having me. I appreciate
being on today. So yeah, Fertilom. Well, we're a fifty
seven year old company Easton, Texas and we sell lawn
and garden chemicals, fertilizers, pesticides, organics, all kinds of stuff,
all sold through distribution into lawn and garden nurseries and

(13:12):
garden centers everywhere all over the country. So yeah, so
we're a big partner for independent nurseries and garden centers there.

Speaker 5 (13:19):
So yeah, And.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
You know, I mean that's a big deal being a
part of the independent garden centers because it allows you
guys to have a great selection of products for regional
people and specific you know. I mean, your guys' is
a portfolio of products are can be so specific to
certain areas that it's amazing what's out there. I mean,

(13:42):
I you know, when I look through your catalog and
I see repellents and things for elk or moose, you know,
and you know, different stuff, and I'm like, wow, I
didn't even know that existed and herbicides that kill you know,
plants that I've never even seen in my life or

(14:02):
heard of, or rampant in parts of the country.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
Yeah, I mean it's pretty neat for you guys to
be able to be that specific with your product selection.

Speaker 6 (14:11):
Yeah, we are, We're we We do make a lot
of products that are regional. A lot of products are
very general so that you could sell on a national basis.
But yeah, it's very cool. It's a very interesting, very
cool company. We're a big supporter of shop small, shop
local as well. You won't find our products and mass merchants,

(14:32):
but you will find them in any and every independent
nursery and garden center across the country. So pretty cool.
It's a nice concept, you.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Know, Tiger, I was just thinking that be it serving
the independence allows them to get the feedback direct from customers.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
Yeah, and just think.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
You know, if you have a suggestion for Miracle Growth
or a suggestion for Bay or Advanced, you're not going
to be heard. No, you know, it's unless there's a
million people that think the exact same way, they're not
going to pay attention. So it's great that one company
can focus on you know, really uh uh what the

(15:14):
people want. Yeah, gardeners that are really gardeners.

Speaker 5 (15:17):
Yeah, you know, Andrews.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
You know, one of the products I want to talk
about today is is herbicides, because there's a lot of talk.
We're getting into the spring right now. You know, weeds
are coming up everywhere in the lawns and beds and
you know, everywhere in your garden after the rains and
now the temperatures have changed.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
Before.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Let's let's let's just start off strong and hit on
the aspect of the glyc estate which you know, you
you know what went by the name A round up before,
goes by a few other manufacturer names, but it was
an herbicide in you know, specifically in California. They've you know,
chosen to really restrict it. But then a lot of

(16:01):
people are flooding the market with alternatives. But some of
those alternatives are not as effective, not as not or
i mean sometimes even not even as safe. So what
are your guys' thoughts coming from a manufacturer standpoint on
what people should be focusing on when using an nerboside?

Speaker 6 (16:22):
Yeah, well, first of all, we're not associated to round up.
I want to make that really really clear. We do
make all kinds of herbicides, including life A sate and
many other products out there. But you know, first and foremost,
you know, like most everybody should know, there's two ways
to control weeds, you know, pre emergently and post emergently,

(16:46):
and so obviously we're kind of past the pre emergent
part of it. So now, like you said, it's springtime,
everybody's got weeds. So now everybody has a problem with
with weeds and they want to do some weed control.
But yeah, as a manufacturer, you know, like I said,
we do manufacture glyc estate. We also make manufacture gluephas

(17:08):
and eight two four D ammoniated soap with fatty acids,
which is an organic or natural product, you know, and
many many others, and so yeah, it's you know, it
just depends. It's all about education, depending on what your
problem is and what kind of solution you need, and
so we're all here to educate people on what to

(17:31):
use for the right problem. But you're right, so many
weeds out there are cracks, some corners of your driveway,
sidewalk in your lawn, all kinds of different ways to
control weeds. We have different, multiple applications to do that.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Yeah, and like you said, it's a matter of knowing
which product to use where. Hey, we're gonna have to
take a break in about thirty seconds. But when we
get back from the break, Andy, I do want to
hit on that on you know, what products do you
recommend for people using in their lawn? What product do
you recommend for people using in beds? I know that's
always something that you know, they have plants, you know,

(18:07):
not necessarily annuals or preneals, but plants, and then what
can they use? And then you know, what kind of
product can they use just you know, if they have
a path or like you said, cracks in the sidewalk,
you know, kind of a thing. So we get back
antsy will Andy ansy. I am antsy to hear from Andy.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
That was a good thing.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
We get back, good rebound and we have a couple
of questions. I think John Carla's got a question. We
do okay, So do stay with us questions comments right
there on a Facebook page comments section. Got to take
a break for BizTalk Radio Facebook Live back with Andy
from Fertilome after these messages, stay with us, all Righty,
welcome back. It is Garden America back from that break
here as we continue, I'm probably in Maine, John Bgnesco

(18:45):
Tiger Palafox talking to Andy from Fertilome and we do
have a few questions, but let's let's keep rolling.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah, So, as you said, we're Andrew from Fertilom is
joining us. And Andrew, we have a question that came
across on our Facebook. We're going to get to before
we answer, which products to you use wear?

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Let's see the first question is from Carla in Huntington Beach, Andy,
and she says, do you have a product locator on
your website? She saw your products at Orange County Farm Supply,
but it's kind of a drive for her.

Speaker 6 (19:19):
We do. We do have an applicator on furtlo dot
com and if the retailer has signed up to be located,
they will be on there.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
All right, there you go, so you know, but I mean,
you know, you can always call them to Carla and
just see if they have this specific product on their shelf,
and that's always a good thing to do. I mean,
I hate to say it about independent centers, but because
we are independent, we're not always as up to date
as some of the other companies where it's like I
mean nowadays, on these mass merchants, you go on to

(19:52):
the website and it's like on aisle four, shelf three,
we have eight of them, right, And you're like, oh,
that's amazing.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
They got eight at a at a at an independent
garden center.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
You might want to give them a ring and say, hey,
do you happen to have this product in.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Hold on, let me go out and take a check exactly,
take a look at check out.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
That's exactly the way it works.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
And there's only two questions to ask if you call
a garden center. The first is do you carry Fertilon?
And the second is if your answers no, why not?

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Why not not?

Speaker 5 (20:25):
So? Hey, so andy? As I mentioned before.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
The break, a couple of different areas to use an herbicide.
Let's start off with lawns, because a lot of people
are getting into that lawn mowing, long growing, they.

Speaker 5 (20:37):
Get some weeds in there.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
What are some products that you guys recommend for trying
to control weeds in lawns.

Speaker 6 (20:44):
Yeah, we have a we have a few. So that
is what we call a selective herbicide. So it's going
to select what it's going to kill. Obviously, we want
to kill broadly weeds in the lawn. And so we
have products called for weed free Zone or there's another
one called weed Out, and these are product. There's sprays,

(21:08):
there's some different configurations. There's concentrates, there's ones you can
attach to the hose and you don't have to mix
it all. Or there's art ones if you just want
to do some spot treatment. But these are ones that
are safe to use in your lawn and it kills
all your broad leaf weeds, danny lions, spurge axlis, you know,
the list goes on and on. We also have another

(21:29):
one called weed Out with crab grass control, and as
we get into summer, the crab grass starts creeping in
and so this one actually knows how to identify the
difference between one grass and another. Has a product, has
a product and they're called or a chemical and they're
called quin chlorac. And this actually knows how to tell
the difference between one grass and another grass. So we'll

(21:51):
kill your crab grass not your lawn. But we free
Zone is a great product all around use product to
use in your lawn, kills all your broad leaf weeds
and even right now when the temperatures are still kind
of cool and maybe some areas across the country you
can actually use it in cooler temperatures.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
And now you know, usually an herbicide you want the
area to be not watered for a while afterwards. And
you know with lawns you're constant, constantly having to water them.
What are some good rules for people that are using
these products and lawns. I mean, should they mow the
lawn before they apply these and then apply it and
then not water for a while?

Speaker 5 (22:30):
Should they just yeah?

Speaker 6 (22:31):
The best the best practice is you know, you want
as much weed leaf surface there so that when you
do spray an herbicide on there that it actually goes
onto the leaf surface and kills it. There's also weed
and feeds out there too, no matter what kind of brand.
We have one called high Heeled weed and Feed. This

(22:52):
one is really really important to where you want your
lawn long, shaggy and wet as well as the weeds.
You want it law shagging, wet, and you apply the
weed and feed when the grass is dewy or wet,
and then you lead it and then the next day
you water the fertilizer part in a lot of people
make a mistake of applying a granular weed and feed

(23:13):
and they water it in instantly, And so the trick
is to apply it when the weeds are damn long
and shaggy, and then the next day water the fertilizer
part in because you want to allow the herbicide to
get on the weed leaf surface and get into the
weed to kill it.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
Good to know.

Speaker 6 (23:30):
Good.

Speaker 5 (23:30):
Do you have another question, John, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
To what Andy was just talking about Kevin and Cordelaine, Idaho.
He says, it wants to know will his cat or
dog gets sick if they eat any of the grass
after it's been treated with any of the herbicides.

Speaker 6 (23:50):
Typically no, Once the after you spray, the herbicide goes
into the plant and and it dries on the on
the plant's surface and goes into the weed. Typically no,
it will not hurt. I would not recommend doing that,
but typically no, it won't harm the pet or kids.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
So you definitely want to leave the pets indoors.

Speaker 6 (24:15):
Well it's dry spring and maybe a day or so afterwards,
and then and then you can allow your pet or
kids to go onto the line.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
As a general rule, most insecticides and herbicides as soon
as they are dry is what they say, then they
become safe. So it's just a matter of keeping everybody
off until it does dry out.

Speaker 6 (24:36):
Yeah, and every chemical is different too. It's super important
to read the label. There's many labels out there and
they're all different, but make sure you do be the
label mixture. Sometimes it maybe you know, a few days.
Typically it's within a day or so or after it's dry.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
I wonder if anybody ever thought of combining an herbicide
with a flea control. So if you let the dog
out while it was still wet and you.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Just all around, yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Control fleece. Hey, uh, Andrew. We also have Millie in Napomo, California.
She wants to know if there's if you have a
product that'll control harvester ants and for our listeners, harvester
ants are called that because they collect seeds to defeat on

(25:22):
but but they sting. You know, they're they're not pleasant
if you get bit by one.

Speaker 6 (25:29):
Yeah, harvester ants and ants in general. I mean, we
have a few products. We have one that's just called
ant colar granules. It's actually has bitpinthron in it, and
I believe harvester ants are on that label. We have
some other products too that are not registered in California.
We have one called thirty eight plus it's promethron that

(25:50):
works great on harvester ants.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
All right, So moving on to we control U.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Now let's talk about like some beds, because that's another
area where people have plants, but then they have weeds
in between their plants, and they get real worried about
applying products because they don't know if it's going to
affect the plants next to them.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
What are some products that you maybe would recommend.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
For people to use if they have existing landscape beds
with weeds.

Speaker 6 (26:19):
Yeah, we have a product called furtiloam over the top
and this one only killed. Now, this one is opposite
of what I was talking to you about earlier, like
weed free zone or weed out that kills broadly feeds
in the lawn. This one is opposite. It kills grassy
weeds in ornamentals. So you can actually spray this in

(26:44):
your ornamentals shrubs and trees and plants and it won't
kill them, but it'll kill the grassy weeds, the grassy
weeds only. But for instance, let's say you have broadly
feeds growing in the ornamentals. That's going to be a hand.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Puller, got it.

Speaker 6 (26:59):
But I mean you're careful with the herbicide and not
you know, spray those plants that you want to keep.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
So let's say somebody had a mayaporum groundcover bank or rosemary,
and you had a bunch of grassy weeds coming up
in that groundcover. This over the top product you could
kind of spray those grassy weeds in there.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
It would kill it without affecting the myoporm or rap.

Speaker 6 (27:23):
Absolutely, it will not kill the mayaporum. What it does
is that the herbicized technology and herbicides are amazing actually,
because think of a grass, the veins are parallel with
each other, considered a monocot or monocotiladels, right, and then
other plants like let's say a maple leaf, the veins

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are all in different directions. It's considered a die coot.
So the herbicides know how to tell the difference between
a monocott and a die coot. So that's how sophisticated
it is. And so when you use a like over
the top flom over the top on a groundcover, that
is a die caught and knows how to control the

(28:08):
grassy weeds that are growing in it.

Speaker 5 (28:10):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Perfect, Now, now what about ice plant? Could this over
the top product be using ice plants or no?

Speaker 5 (28:17):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (28:17):
Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (28:18):
Also yeah, okay, so.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
As long so you know over the top and then
I'm sure you guys have a list of all the
plants that it's safe to be used on.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
Yeah, there as well.

Speaker 6 (28:28):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (28:29):
All right.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Hey, we're gonna have to take another break here. Andy
in about thirty seconds. When we get back, we will
hit the last little area of herbicides where you just
you just want to get weeds out. You know, maybe
you've got a pathway, maybe you have a driveway, there's
not a lot of plants in the area. How do
you keep those areas free of weeds? So when you
get back, we'll continue chatting with Andrew from Fernilom.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
You've got a lot of good questions and we do
thank you for tuning in. Andrew from Fernilom. I'm Brian Maine,
Tiger Palafox, John mcnasco going to take a break for
a BizTalk Radio also back on Facebook Live. Do stay
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(29:10):
don't want to miss any great information as we talk
about the fine Fertile Onme products here with Andrew from
Fertilome Tiger.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Yeah, and Andy, before we move on, I did want
to just hit because Fertilome is a a brand name
that you guys operate under. And then there's high Yield
as well, because depending on where people are listening and
depending on what people are accustomed to buying, they might
not realize that you guys are one and the same.

Speaker 6 (29:37):
Right right, Yeah, we actually have three brands. There's Fertile Home,
which is kind of our premium brand. We have Fertilome Green,
which is a premium natural organic product. And then we
have high Yield, which we consider our fighter brand. They're
kind of just basic but lower price point. Okay, And
so we have those three brands and they're out, They're

(30:00):
in all the independent nurses and garden centers. So yeah,
those are our brands that we have.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
Perfect. Thanks for clearing that up. Do we have a question, John, Yeah,
Actually there's quite a few questions.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Oh so I'm not sure how how you're scheduled, you
know how much time we have, but we'll see if
we can get through some of them really quick. First
of all, Carla wants to give Andy props on his
explanation of die cuts versus Kanna cuts.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:24):
He's good, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Very healthy.

Speaker 6 (30:26):
Sometimes yeah sometimes that you know, you get into the
horticulture side of it and it might throw people off.
But if people I try to make it understandable as
much as possible.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
So did a good job. Okay.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Then also John in Newport Beach wants to know if
there's any other pre emergence that you were discussing that
could be used in a vegetable garden.

Speaker 6 (30:51):
Yeah. No, that's a great question. So at High Yield,
on a High Yield brand, we have two products. One's
called Turf and Ornamental whed and grass Stopper. It has
dimension in it. And then we have another one called
Herbside Granules with Tresland. That one, the Rboside Granules with Tressland,
is the one you can use in vegetable gardens. And

(31:14):
it says so right on the label. Pre emergence are
a little bit of a tricky thing to use. You
can use them all year round. Best time to use
them is right at the end of winter. And then
you apply it to the soil. Its granular. You apply
it to the soil like fertilizer, and it prevents weed seeds.

(31:35):
It doesn't interact with the seed. What it does is
it creates a little gaseous layer at the top surface
of the soil and prevents any weed seeds from breaking
through that gaseous layer to the surface. And so the
turf and ornamental when grass stopper you can use everywhere
but vegetable gardens, lawns, ornamental flower beds, all kinds of stuff.

(31:57):
And the herboside granules you use that one specifically anywhere
and also in vegetable gardens.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
And I just want to clear up to for people
because you know, especially in vegetable gardens, you know, the
whole idea of a pre emergent is that it doesn't
allow the seeds to properly grow or germinate.

Speaker 5 (32:15):
Like Andy was describing.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Well, you know, some people grow their vegetables from seed,
and if you come up you need to make sure
that they are actually growing and have like foliage on
them before you can use those products, right.

Speaker 6 (32:31):
And Andre Yeah, yeah, you want to. Most people plant,
you know, a live plant, but those who do use seed,
you want those plants to germinate and break through the
soil surface, get to the light, and have a well
established plant before you put that herbicide granule down. And
another really good trick of the trade too, is that
after you do apply the pre emergent, make sure you

(32:55):
don't disturb the soil, because once you disturb the soil,
you just sturbed that little layer that I was talking about,
and then you're going to have to reapply again.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Good to know Lenara and Canyon Country. I wanted you
to know that she went and bought some fertilized or
fertil o on products after Tiger talked about him nice.
So she listens to what Tiger says. The second part
of John's question I think was a little more difficult Andrew.
He wants to know if there's anything he can do

(33:26):
for nut grass.

Speaker 6 (33:29):
Nutgrass, Yeah, there are products out there. I don't I
have one in suspension right now with the State of California,
but there are products out there for nutgrass. You will
have want to be a really good independent nursing garden
centers and see if they have a product on the
shelf for nut grass. Nutgrass is a problem, especially if

(33:53):
it's really prominent, if there's areas of getting lots of
water because they like lots of water. There's a couple
from kinds of nutgrass out there. But there there are
products out there for nut grass.

Speaker 5 (34:05):
But where where was the listener from?

Speaker 6 (34:07):
John?

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Okay, sorry, but you guys do have other you you
guys do have a product that's available other places.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
But California, right is what you're saying, you know, but.

Speaker 6 (34:20):
It's it's it's ending in the state of California right
at the moment. So if anybody can you know, push
California long, that'd because.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
I would think that if it's suspended or pending in California,
it really works.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (34:36):
Well, I mean, you know, the state of California has
its you know issues there. You know, they're two or
three years behind on registrations and you know, budget constraints
and all kinds of stuff, so you know there it
takes a whole while to get stuff registered here in California.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
So so so Andy, Then we were talking about herbicides
in areas where maybe you're not so worried about your
your existing landscape through lawn. You know, you got you
got weeds and cracks, driveways are on paths. What are
some products that you recommend for use in those areas.

Speaker 6 (35:06):
Yeah, so before we talked about selective herbicides. Now we're
going to get into non selective herbicides. So we have,
you know, quite a few products that you can use
to control weeds any you know, anywhere anywhere that you
don't want something to grow. This is what you would use.
We have a product called kills all when grass wheden,
grass killer, it's a it's a spray, comes pine, comes

(35:29):
in multiple sizes. And we have another one called decimate,
and we have an organic solution to fertiltle green weed
and grass killer. But all of these kill weeds in
and around your cracks, some corners of your driveway and
sidewalks or rock you know, driveways or rock gardens things

(35:51):
like that. So these are non selective. Vercise the spray
and you spray it and kills anything that you want
not to grow.

Speaker 5 (36:00):
Got it?

Speaker 3 (36:00):
And you know there's a lot of We're gonna have
to take a break in about a minute, Andy and
so we get back. There's a lot of products that
are coming out, a lot of recipes people are turning too,
because for herbicides, you know, vinegar and salt and baking
soda and you know all kinds of stuff that you
know people are wanting to put in as herbicides. So
we get back from the break, I want you to

(36:22):
hit on that idea of what people have to be
cautious of and what people need to know when they
do that, because you know, sometimes you could be making
the situation worse.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
So again we're.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Talking with Andrew from Fertilo. We get back, we'll continue
chatting about some of the different ways to control weeds
in your garden.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
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(36:59):
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weekend here in Garden to America. As we continue with
Andrew from Fertilom Tiger.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Yeah, so before the break, Andy, we were just mentioning
on you know, all the recipes that people are putting
out to kill to kill weeds, to stay away from
some of the selective herbicides and non selective herbicides that
we talked about earlier in the program. What are some
things that people need to think about when creating their
own little herbicide recipes.

Speaker 6 (37:33):
Yeah, herbicide recipes are interesting. There's all you know, people
can google stuff. You know, there's vinegar solutions and and
all kinds of things like that, you know, and their
safety is safety use and you know, all these different
kinds of things. And because you know they're conscious about,
you know, the herbicide world has been kind of turned
upside down due to you know, certain regulations and states

(37:58):
and stuff like that. So people trying to use all
different kinds of alternatives, which is fine. Most of them
are just a top kill or a burn like you know,
using a vinegar solution, things like that, and even we
have a product called fertili Weed and grass Killer. It's
a natural organic product. It's ammoniated soap with fatty acids.

(38:19):
But there's little tricks to that, you know, there's you know,
you can use those things. It just does a top
kill burns just the foliage, but not all the way
down to the root. And so what's really really important
that if people use those kinds of solutions or products
is that this is the key. Don't make sure they

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make sure that the root does not get moisture. If
you use those top kills, it just kills the weed
leaf surface, but the roots are still there. So but
if you go back out and wash your car after
that wind dead or you think it's dead, that water
gets down to the root and that we just comes
right back. So it's really important that if you use

(39:02):
those organic or safe solutions out there, spray it. You'll
notice that the weed will die right away sometimes day,
but if that root gets moisture, it'll come right back.
So it's important to not get water down to where
those roots are and or sometimes you have to spray again.

(39:22):
But that's a little trick on those, but there's other
products out there that work all the way down to
the route.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
All right, last thing I wanted to chat with you
about this morning, and big change in California this year
outlawing amidacloprid. Right, so our systemic insecticides that you know
we were using California doesn't allow that to be sold anymore.
So that's going to change the landscape of what products

(39:53):
for people to be used. Is there anything systemically that
people can use for control of pest.

Speaker 6 (39:59):
Were there is not admitted. Cloaprid has been a big
staple in our industry for a really long time, and unfortunately,
due to some misuse and maybe a little bit of
politics and so on and so forth, especially here in
state of California, amid cloprid is no longer for sale

(40:21):
in the state of California and maybe a few states
in New England and partially in some other states or
counties across the country. But we haven't heard we have actually,
I take that back. We have heard that there may
be some systemic insecticides come down the roads new tech,
but nothing available in the rearket at this moment. So

(40:44):
right now it's it's really just using some good topical
or contact sprays to control live insects, maybe some larvae
and you know, insects from attacking shrubs and trees.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
And I do want to allow you to kind of
hit on this idea for a minute from the standpoint of,
you know, now we have to kind of be I
think a little bit more careful of what we're doing,
because before when we were applying in amid of clobrid,
we could you know, soil drench the plant absorbs it
and is protected from the inside out. Now if we
go back to this kind of just spray, you know,

(41:21):
I mean sometimes those products can be more harmful to
the surrounding environment than the amid a clothbrid argument. And
you know, now people are going to be spraying you know,
much more, which again, like I said, now you're going
to hit all the good bugs along with the bad
bugs and some of the other issues. So what are
some good spray practices that people can exercise.

Speaker 6 (41:43):
Companies out there that even brought back asse fate, which
is actually a systemic insecticide, but it's an old technology.
As a matter of fact, it's an organo phosphate and
it's actually worse than amidaicloprid is today. So it's interesting
how the industry has flip flopped and you know, they're

(42:04):
bringing you know, stuff like that back into the industry,
which is kind of weird. So you really got to
check that active ingredients. And you're right, Tiger, you know
now that we have to use contract contact sprays, you know,
for full on the fold, then then you know, all
your beneficials are more susceptible to you know, all of
the sprays that we're using now because that's the only

(42:26):
choice that we have. And and again it's all about education.
So we're taking a stance furlough, and we're taking a
stance of making sure people understand when to spray, how
to spray, and what to spray. And that's really important
because a lot of your beneficials are out first thing
in the morning, and you know, and you know, you

(42:47):
just got to be careful of what you spray. And
or you know, right now, you know, things are blooming.
There's lots of flowers, You got lots of bees and
lady bugs and all kinds of stuff out there right now,
and you just you don't want to get rid of them,
but you you know, you have an insect problem at
the same time.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
So okay, wow, lots of great infort to digest. Did
we get all the answers question there.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
John, We did.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
I'm biting my tongue because I'm so upset over this
amid a cloaprit probably in my opinion, one of the
most environmentally safe products to use and effective, and it's
going to be all Is it already banned?

Speaker 5 (43:25):
Yeah? Yeah, you can't get it if you're in California shelf.
It's off the shelf.

Speaker 6 (43:29):
Oh see yeah, no longer for sale on retail shelves. Now,
there are landscape companies all over the state that have
has decide licenses that actually can spray in medical or
systemic insecticides in middle culprit in people's yards or in
the or in landscape. But they have to do it,

(43:52):
and you know, it's product behind the shelf. They use
it and you can hire them to come and drench
or spray you know, trees and shrubs in your yard.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Hey, as we say goodbye to Andy, I wanted to
leave him with this thought from Carla. She believes that
there's a verse somewhere in the Bible Andy that says
that when nut grass takes over the world. The second
coming is near, I feel some people.

Speaker 6 (44:20):
I think I believe that too. So you know, nut
grass can be a really big problem if you don't
control it. So hopefully, hopefully the state of California will
approve our our stance on that and we'll get something
going here pretty soon.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
All Right, Hey, Andrew, thank you very much for joining
this weekend, joining us this weekend, and have a great
rest of the weekend.

Speaker 5 (44:42):
And thanks again for all the information. Take care, You're welcome.

Speaker 6 (44:45):
Thank thank you guys.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Sure, thank you Andy. All righty, So there you go
with a lot of things to digest and think about.
I knew John, would you know when he talked about admit.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Admit a cloak.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Right, I'm just I'm trying to enunciate the way.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
That emitacloprid works. By the way, is it can be applied,
like Tyger was saying, systemically at the base of the plant.
It'll protect the plant from sucking insects for up to
a year, right yep. And you're not spraying it in
the air, which you have to do even if it's
you think it's been going to be marginally safe or

(45:25):
pretty safe. You know in our organic best society, it
does go in the air.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Yeah, I mean, you know we talk about we can
say these people, oh, well, I'm going to use soap
and water on my plants right for bug control. They
think it's perfectly safe. Well, if you still get soap
and water on lady bugs, and if you still get
soap and water on beneficial insects, they still are affected.
You know by that where you know you said with
the systemic insecticides, it's only the bugs that are actually

(45:54):
sucking on the plant.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
Right that are affected. And ladybugs don't suck on for
r and preymangies don't.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
I want to get into this, and I know we've
got to take a break here in about a minute.
I know, no breaks, right. So these are lawmakers making
these decisions. Yeah, okay, So let's take, for example, what
we just discussed. Somebody approaches somebody and says this product's
not safe. In other words, that there's a ground swell
that gets these laws passed. People in politics have to

(46:21):
listen to somebody who has more knowledge than they do.
Wouldn't they listen to both sides of the argument and
then weigh their decision. How does that work. And I
know we're not politicians, but John, you you've got a
little background in this and Tiger, but.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
The science isn't there yet. Like like we talk about,
like the weather, We've been researching weather for what.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
I would say since the mid eighteen hundreds. Okay, so
we're going now and fifty years or whatever.

Speaker 5 (46:46):
Yeah, a couple hundred years, let's say.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Okay, to think that we know all about weather based
on a couple hundred years of actual data, right, is
a bit naive to us, it is. And so with
the midicloprids. Midiclovers have been around for you know, less
than fifty years, Yeah, you know, right, So to think
that we can base our knowledge off of and then
even then they've only been massively used in the past

(47:09):
ten years.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
We're gonna take a break. This gets better and better
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with us. Okay, we are back from that break again
a Bistalk Radio Facebook Live and whenever I can get
John grinning, it's made my day. I am successful. And
you bring up a good point prior to the break
about how much information do we know? You know, some people,

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you know, there's a process that all these products go
through before they're released, and then it's like a recall.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Right, there's a lot of hard products that have been
taken off the shelf that should have been taken off
the shelf, which is wonderful.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Right right, So, but also this exists in our society today.
There's a brand of radical environmental activism that doesn't use
common sense in my humble opinion.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
And doesn't even use the product no seriously, but.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
I mean they have an almost religious zelts. They're almost
religious zealots. Yeah, zealous maybe because they're lacking something in
their lives. And it's a group think that has no
common sense behind it. So when you we don't want
to go any.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Further because we're keeping it, we're keeping it generic. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
But anyway, they'll pull things off the internet and things
start to get you know, spread and said and and
it's actually not true or there's no there are no
studies to back it up.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
See in my common sense logical world, somebody brings something
to the attention of a state politics whatever state capital, right,
and they take a look at it and say, okay,
we need to bring in now scientists and other people
who may have a different point of view that tells
us this product safe, and then you have the back
and forth and you wait the arguments and come to
a decision. I don't know if that's how it works

(48:58):
or not, but you would certainly think somebody listens to
both sides. Because the people making these decisions, lawmakers, they
don't have the background they have to rely on.

Speaker 5 (49:06):
They're using the smarter people around them to.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Make exactly so to listen to one side and say, yeah,
you're right without having all the facts, that's my point.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
And John John asked the question, wasn't there some evidence
that Amida cloprid killed bees? That's exactly what I'm talking about.
That got put on the internet about study or about
something that happened in Europe which wasn't even true, and
it got spread and that that was used as the

(49:40):
the source of it. And it wasn't that it killed
bees if you spread it sprayed it on them. They
said that it killed bees if bees went to the
flowers later on. And as it turns out that the
Amida cloprid molecule is too large to go from the
plant across the peduncle and go into most f hours,

(50:00):
so it really doesn't affect bees at all. The pollen
doesn't affect.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
The bees, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (50:05):
So yeah, to give the other side such a weak arment.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
To give the other side, like you say, Brian, just
so people are aware, that's the argument against Amida clobrid
is they they're saying that the Amida clovid products not
just kill the insects that we want to control, pollinators,
but they also kill pollinators so that you know, bees, butterflies,
you know, even to go as far into huntingbirds, you know,

(50:30):
and stuff like that. And what John is saying is
the science behind Amida clo brid on that side is saying, well, yeah,
that's okay. We want to look into this. We want
to see if this is true. That would not be good.
We don't want to kill pollinators, and.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
There's ways to experiment and find out if that's true.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
And exactly that's it, and it's they're fine on that. Okay,
this product gets absorbed into the plant, it goes to
the flower, you're right, But then to think that it
actually goes from the flower into the pollinator is virtually
possible because this molecule cannot make that jump into pollen.
Or into the nectar or into the products that you

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know that pollinators are are going.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
To because it's too big, as John, so you can't
it can't, it can't transpire from from one or the other.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
And so you know, yeah, and so what I was
kind of getting at with Andy is that you know,
now we could be almost doing more harm because the
products we're going to switch to are these sprays where
people are going to be spraying butterflies, they are going
to be spraying lady bugs, they are going to be

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spraying bees. Just by default, it's going to happen. And
these sprays are going to go onto the flower, onto
the other parts of the plant that the pollinators are
going to, and which is almost probably going to be
more detrimental to this whole pollinator population than you know,
anything else. And so and then here's the other funny

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thing about it, though, because let's be real, you know,
a home gardener population of applying all these products is
very small. So what people are compared to industry, Yeah,
compared to like the almond orchards or tomato fields.

Speaker 5 (52:14):
That are out there.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
It's still perfectly legal for them to use, because I mean,
there's restrictions on how.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
They here's the other point, you know, So to go
along with what you're just saying, if you have an orchard,
are you going to spray something that kills the pollina?

Speaker 5 (52:29):
That's horrible?

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Yeah, So why why did the argument stop right there
when you talk about it? Can't it can't go from
one to the other. Okay, Now, I.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
Mean that's a great question.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
If other side somebody would have to pay for studies
to make sure that was true, then they would have
to initiate a loss.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
But isn't it even more irresponsible just to take somebody's
word for it.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, I'm surprised you would think that that doesn't.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Happen, I know in my little naive world. Yeah, you
know what, So do we want to hear the other side?
I don't think so. It's going to cost too much money. Okay,
then ban it.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Kevin and cordially wants to know how to spell him
at a cloak bred and Uh, if you're looking at
the Facebook postings, Kevin John came pretty in Huntington Beach,
came pretty close to spelling it correctly. It's I M
I D A C C l Oh, you don't have

(53:29):
I think there's an h in there somewhere.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
If this was a spelling b, i'd have to give
you the buzzer.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Well, use it in a sentence and then I'll spell
it correctly. So anyway, it's close. If you look up,
I am I D A c l uh and then
try to get cloprid off of that, I am D
okay A c l No, it's I M A D raight.

Speaker 5 (53:54):
I am I D I D I am I D right,
I am I D A c l O p R
I D okay.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Yeah, there you go. John was pretty close.

Speaker 5 (54:06):
So so yeah, go ahead ahead.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Carlo says that a local garden center told her that
HB one O one is not going to be available
in California.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Oh really, I believe that because they were, and she
wants under the radar in so many ways.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
She wants to know if it's true. She's stucking up
just in case.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Okay, So what was it? What is it about that
product that doesn't surprise you that it might be banned?

Speaker 5 (54:28):
Because their labels aren't.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
They don't really say what it is.

Speaker 5 (54:32):
You know, worm gold plus right, Tony.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
No, no, worm gold was George George.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Han okay, worm castings, Okay, worm casting these.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
Are this worm poop. Okay.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
You know when he first is organic as you can
possibly gets he.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
When he first launched his product, it's it's worm poop
in a bag, okay, And he had all kinds of
things on his bag that you know, our general ideas
of what worm castings will.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Do, which the worm poops out there, whether you put
it in a bag or not.

Speaker 5 (55:04):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
But one of the things he said was that it
helps to repel insects.

Speaker 5 (55:10):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Oh boy, here there the rub.

Speaker 5 (55:13):
And there's there's.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
What happens is is it's not a matter of if
the product is saved or not. It's a package and
it has if there's a there's if it's claimed something
on a package, you have to prove that or you
have to have the proof of whatever.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Or couldn't you have some kind of disclaimer under that.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
But the main problem was he didn't register it as
an insecticide with the State of.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
We have to take a break. This is uh fascinating.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
So yes, HB one on one, it just has it's like, hey,
it works, and that's what their package said.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
They take a break after these messages on BizTalk Radio,
This is Garden America Welcome to guard in America and
welcome to political talk on this this weekend and whenever
you're listening to us. But once you go down this
rabbit hole, yet, there's even more and more questions. We've
always talked about HB one on one. People say what
is it and our answer is, I don't know, but
it works well.

Speaker 5 (56:02):
Yeah, And that's the truth.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
And that's why they'll probably get in trouble in California
is because you're supposed to put everything that's in there
on the package.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
So that's why they have a book attached to the
bottle now.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Exact but I just used it. I was telling you
guys last couple of weeks that the fightus I had outdoors,
transplant shock whatever, it wasn't looking good. A little fertilizer
som HB one on one and that suckers back growing again.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
We know it could be the the tears of you know,
grown men working in the field.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
So either HB one on one says, okay, we're going
to put the ingredients, or they run with their tail
between the ingredients.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
They tell you where it comes from. You know they're
conifer extracts.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Right, So then what's the issue they don't have the
exact okay, like like you know, like you look into
a bottle, right and it says this is what it is,
and this is the percentage that's in there, and then
this is what it is and the exact conifer you know,
like you know, conifer is a very general.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
By putting on the label it contains this and that
is not good enough. It's not this or that.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
You've got enough what percentage of it this or that?

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Okay, Yeah, I got you, Okay, John.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Tanya and Carla are talking online about how it could
be you could get it through Amazon, and here's the
warning on that is right now, you can buy it
on Amazon, but eventually Amazon, complying with all the state regulations,
will say cannot be shipped to California direct. Because I

(57:32):
did that with the squirrel bait, it was outlawed in
California and then I had a huge squirrel problem, which
I've now taken care of, I hope, but I had
to buy it online. And then eventually the companies I
was getting it online from said cannot ship to California.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
So then you find a friend in another state but.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Lives in Idaho and we're not recommended market.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
Uh you know shipping now. I mean it's it's it's
tough out there.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
I mean, like I said, I you know, to give
the other side, there are a lot of products that
have been removed from the point that are really good
that they removed from the market because they were very
harmful products. So we want to do our best in
DDT for exactly.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
And talking about being sprayed indiscriminately.

Speaker 5 (58:25):
Yeah, there's just blanketed cities with.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
It, and you know, a low flying aircraft you know,
over the whole city.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
That was a title of one of the chapters in
Rachel Carson's Silent Spring. The title of the chapter was
Indiscriminately from the skies.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Yeah, so unfortunately, you know what it's like, It's it's
like the kid in the back of the class that
gets in trouble and the whole class is in trouble
now because he wouldn't keep his mouth shut, and so
you know, everyone's in trouble.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
But but you know, it's even so much funnier than
all of this stuff off, Okay, is you're right, you know,
we need to be concerned about this, But then you know,
everybody's beliefs around the world is so different, you know.
I mean, for instance, like you know, in Europe you
can't have the red dye in foods, you know, But

(59:15):
meanwhile here in California, we're so worried about HB one
and one having its ingredients on the label. But meanwhile
our kids are eating super harmful kids in all.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Well, you know, it's like the ingredients in Coca Cola
are different in Europe than they are here.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
The priorities are different.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Well, Pepsi just announced that they were taking out the
food coloring in Pepsi, two of them. That's cool because
thanks star If Kate Junior, I guess.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
But yeah, so it just depends on where you're from
that you kind of have these these things go into play.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Hey, you know, we were talking earlier in the show
about the auction at the San Diego Roasts Is Society
Flower show tomorrow. But what I did not mention was
that there's an online only auction, uh for the California
Coastal Roads Society, And there's one hundred rare and unusual

(01:00:15):
roses that you can go online and bid four. Now
that's cool, and I believe there's there's four or five
roses on there that there are only two of that
variety in our country and maybe less than ten in
the world. So this is a great opportunity if you
like unusual things, or if you're a collector like some

(01:00:37):
people we know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Of rare or will there be only one left after
you finished the auction?

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Yeah, that's why I said there's two, because yes, ones
in the auction and ones in my house.

Speaker 5 (01:00:49):
Are they these?

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Which? Right, there are roses that we that we got
from Europe, eventually from the rose the Europa Rosarium in
Sangerhouse in Germany.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
So anyway, that trip to Belgium did a lot of good,
didn't it. It did a couple of summers ago, Yeah,
it did.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Tiger John wants to know about He said, he replanted
his native milk weed, and she's it gets wiped out
by the monarchs every year, which.

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
I guess is the purpose I supposed to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
But he wants to know why it didn't come back.
You thought it was a perennial. You see missing something.

Speaker 5 (01:01:30):
I mean the first red flag as he transplanted it.
Is that what he said?

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
No, he said that he replanted because the other stuff
had died last year, so he planted new ones, right,
planted new ones.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Okay, So okay, I mean it should come back every year,
you know, milk weed is I wouldn't say it's a
perennial because I think it more just kind of like received.
People think that, like it's the same plant over an
old again.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
So you know, but receding annual.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Right, And but there are plants, because we live in
southern California that do stick around for more than one year.

Speaker 5 (01:02:13):
That does happen.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
But like like he mentioned, a lot of times, they'll
be decimated by monarchs and then you know, sometimes they
don't come back, and in terms of but replanting, they
didn't make it. Oh oh yeah, so he needs it's
it's best if he can plant them early before, because

(01:02:36):
a lot of people will plant them at the time
that the monarchs are eating and then it doesn't really
give them that chance to to develop and grow and
reced Like people are like very reactionary. They're like, oh,
I got monarchs, I'm gonna start planting milkweed. Well, if
they planted it early, the plant would fully develop, grow, flour, reseed, repopulate,

(01:02:57):
and do all that. But because they plant them late,
usually the plant doesn't have time to do all that process,
so you know, if you're planting them in the middle
of the feeding period, you're not going to get new
ones coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
I lost the question now because there's so many comments
on Facebook, but it may have been Veronica, But somebody
was asking about a book on companion planning for vegetables.
And one of the first books to talk about that
and still is used as a standard today is Luise
Louise riot r Io Tte wrote a book called Carrot's

(01:03:39):
Love Tomatoes, so.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
We're talking about that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
It'll talk about companion planning. And then she also had
one called Roses Love Garlic. So those two books are
great for companion planning. And I'm sure there's if you
go to Amazon and look it up, it might they
might offer like you might also be interested in or
people who bought this also bought this.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Yeah, a lot of the vegetable garden books, you know, anything,
even The Square Foot Gardener has a whole section on
that as well.

Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
So, yeah, what do you call?

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Oh my gosh, I just lost the word that the
plant that tells you when it needs water indicator plant
love the Hydrangea. It tells me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Your impatients used to tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Yeah, you know, kind of kind of hanging their head.
But so does the hydrangea, which hasn't bloomed yet, but
it's got nice leaves and are just coming in.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Do you have a favorite little prino? Because I remember
at your old house in Fallbrook, one of the things
I loved was in your front yard and you had
all these like little perennials that you could collected from
you know, Altman's and plug connection over the years, you know,
and they were just like these fun little like new
Guinea patients or Caliber co or something like that, you know,
in the in your yard. Now, do you have any

(01:04:54):
new favorites of those plants? Because you started to do
that along the left side of the driveway, right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Yeah, And I think I told you I just replanted
one of those that I had out there, which was
that I'm trying to think of the new name for it,
but it was that variegated lavender, the one that doesn't flower.

Speaker 5 (01:05:12):
Oh yeah, yes, yeah, Murlow.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Murlow is the name that it came out. Okay e
r l O mirr Low. But that it's been it's
come back out under a new name. I think I
got mine at home depot of all places. Yeah, yeah,
so let's see. Oh, I keep neglecting this, but everybody

(01:05:37):
wants me to answer this question. Kevin and Cordelaine had
asked about epsom salts to the soil. Oh, yeah, and
if if it did any good, and it was.

Speaker 5 (01:05:49):
For roses primarily, was it? The big push salts?

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
I think is magnesium sulfate, right, so it can add
magnesium to the soil if you your soils deficient and magnesium.
We're not in California, and I think I know a
very few soils that are magnesium deficient. So the point
is magnesium sulfate some salts is the salt? Got salt

(01:06:16):
in the very name Tiger.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
We got to take a break as well. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
My point was just going to be anytime you had
a salt to the soil, you kill something living. So
it's up to.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Take it off the shelf. We'll be back with our
final segment after these messages on biz talk radio. All Right,
the part of the show that a lot of people
look forward to the last segment.

Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
Yeah, this is it. So American salt into the soil?
Is that like, so you can soak soak their I
think what he's talking about their skin nice and salt.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
You go out there with a chair, Is that what
you do and soak your feet and epps and salt
while you're gardening? There you go, there you go, and
then you feel relaxed.

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
So your feet.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
Yeah, what was the whole point of epsom salts soaking
your feet? Is it supposed to make her like skin
soft or sore muscles.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Or something something like that to your feet and and salts?
I think, right, John, go soak your feet.

Speaker 5 (01:07:11):
And some sauce, don't don't you think it was just
a real thing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Yeah, supposed to be supposed to be.

Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
What does it do?

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
I've never done it?

Speaker 5 (01:07:21):
You never done it?

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
No, well obviously you haven't.

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
How about your wife?

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
Yeah, she's she does like we have a bag of
Epsen salt.

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
And I'm just of why, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
What you know, a lot of people do things just
because their folks did it or their grandmother did it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
It was supposed to relax your muscles.

Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
Oh is that what he's supposed to be? Relax?

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
I'd rather have a good foot massage. Yeah, right then
doing that?

Speaker 5 (01:07:43):
You so talk about like why you do things?

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Vix Vix vapor as a kid on your chest?

Speaker 5 (01:07:51):
Where did you put it on your chest?

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
My mother put it on my chest and maybe right
into my nose. Okay, but the chest seems logical.

Speaker 5 (01:07:57):
It seems logical, right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
But we always put it in your nose? What your
nuts to do?

Speaker 5 (01:08:02):
I never put it in my How could you survive?

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Are you could certainly breathe after that?

Speaker 5 (01:08:10):
You would never stop crying.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
But you were going to bring to take a point
bottom of your feet.

Speaker 5 (01:08:15):
My family was like, you put it on the bottom
of your feet?

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
What?

Speaker 5 (01:08:19):
Yes, I don't know why. I think it's a Hispanic.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
And then it's like a Bayer product that that translocates
up up your body from your feet into your nervous
system and into your muscles.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Right, it's a vapor rub right, yeah, but bottom of
your feet? You put it on the bottom of your feet.
It's my family it was a Hispanic thing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
And it could be. But but again, the answer to
a lot of those questions is because we've always done
it that way.

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Why don't know what We've always done it that way.

Speaker 5 (01:08:42):
I can't believe you. Are you serious? John? You would
put it in your nose?

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Well, your parents would put it up your.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Nose, right kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
I guess he seems embarrassed about this.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Well, because I feel like, well, I feel like it's
it would burn like you know what I mean, definitely
like I feel like when you put it on your
chest it makes you like almost cry already, like let alone,
like in your nose.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Fixed vapor rub. Why do people still take gyrotol?

Speaker 5 (01:09:15):
I don't think so. I haven't seen that a long time.
Remember Carter's pills. Is that a vitamin geritol?

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
No, it's a spoonful of if you have iron iron
poor blood, take a spoonful of gyrotine.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
I thought that was for old people.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Well it was, yeah, absolutely, I'm just wondering if they
do it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
I don't know. I don't know any people taken it,
never taken it, and never never seen.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Iron poor blood, which means if you lack iron.

Speaker 5 (01:09:38):
Obviously that was a supplement.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Remember Carter's pills, and there's an old.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Same member of the Presidency of Carter. It was not good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
No, this is come on, you're older and older than
I am.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
I remember pills, but I don't remember what they were
used for it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
And then somebody would say, I don't know anyone who
took them. He has more flowers than Carter has pill
That was remember that, Yeah, Carter's pills. Somebody looked that
up Google that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:07):
My dad used to say that all the time, and we.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
Would say things because our parents had them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
Yeah, you didn't know that, You didn't know. She just
knew it was a saying and that's what was.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Yeah, exactly, Dana's being corrected by uh auto correct because
she wanted to know if anyone had to take Toddler
oil as a kid. Yeah, she must have read that
in because she meant cod liver oil got corrected to

(01:10:40):
Toddler oil.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Just the name cod liver oil.

Speaker 5 (01:10:45):
How did you even get past that? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Like?

Speaker 5 (01:10:47):
What are you doing in coder? Like, I don't want
to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
I'd rather suffer with what I have.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Yeah, I misread Lisa's comment here. I thought she I
read it quickly and she said I planted Italian pot
in a Mexican pot. But what she posted was she
planted a Italian pot and a Mexican pot clay. I

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assume she's talking about Italian clay and Mexican clay, you
know what.

Speaker 5 (01:11:19):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
I was thinking she was she did like an Italian
pot of herbs Mexican pot what means parsley and oregano
and basil in Italian and then in Cilantro episode, Yeah, uh,

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in the Mexican one.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
No, it could be what you don't know, that would
make a lot more sense. Yeah, okay, I think so.
I think the the merchant and me went immediately to
the days where we would carry both Italian and clay.
The clay, the Italian clay was always high fire. It's
greater quality. The Mexican was low fired, so you used

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to have to paint the inside of it with a preservative.
Well that was it from disintegrating.

Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
Yeah, that was back in the day.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
But now they come painted, oh you know right like yeah, like,
because like you're saying, if they if they are not painted,
you get one season out of them and they just
start to break apart.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
I remember when Wahawkan pottery was a big deal.

Speaker 5 (01:12:23):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
Uh? Is that the pottery from Wahawka?

Speaker 5 (01:12:26):
But is that the like there are different ones we
call it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
A no, no, no, no. They were different shapes, you know,
like Mayan and Aztec shaped pots.

Speaker 5 (01:12:37):
Like they were Mexican. Yeah okay, but.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
A lot of different shapes, okay, unusual shapes that you
wouldn't normally see. There was the the pottery from uh
Wadalajara was pretty much you know, they had five or
six shapes and they didn't vary. I don't know if
they still still carry that pottery. Anyway, we have we
have one minute.

Speaker 5 (01:13:01):
Wow, hey for what garden walk is next weekend?

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
Mother Day, Mother's Days next week right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
Yeah, So if you're in the San Diego area and
you want to go to the Missionll's garden Walk, buy
your tickets online. I'm sure there's a lot of garden
walks happening, garden tours happening all around wherever you are.
Because it is spring, We're not going to have a
great weekend this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
It's very cloudy and it is yeah, it's it's kind
of it's a buckety weekend supposed to be nice, beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
You should come see the Flower Show tomorrow, the Road Show,
bring Dana over.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
There's a lot of things I should do.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
You know, we could have a guest auctioneer. You come
up and just to warm up for the fall auction,
auction off on.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
By then by the time the fall auction that the
warm up will have worn off. Okay, okay, uh, that's it.
But we will be at the fall auction, all of
us plenty of time to plan for that. We'll talk
more about that. Hey, thank you for joining us, A
big thank you to Andrew from Fertilom, and again thank
you for tuning in a BIS Talk Radio Facebook Live.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend, have a safe week.
We'll do it again. What we can be next week?
Right here?

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Yeah, yeah, we're warmed up now, warmed to get slow,
but warmed up quickly for.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
The entire crew. I'm Brian Maine, Tiger Palafox, John big Nescill.
Have a good one. Be safe. We'll do it again
next week or right here on Guard in America. Take care,

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