Plant Talk, Garden Wisdom, and Your Questions - Garden America Podcast & Radio Show [9.27.25] - Garden America - Gardening Podcast & Talk Radio Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, good morning, and welcome once again to garden America.
Speaking of gardens, we're in a garden.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
I'm Brian Maine along with John bagnasco Tiger Pelafox and
again for the third, third week in a row, third
straight week, we are broadcasting from the backyard of Tiger
Palafox here in beautiful, wonderful overcast San Diego, California, John,
beautiful one.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Is that corrects this is the third week because the
newsletter said it was the first week.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Well, did you want to broach that topic?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Go ahead, Yeah, well you're the one who pointed it out.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
I just noticed that the John, I think that was
a newsletter from two weeks ago when it was our
first time here.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I use old newsletters the template and I put in
replacements for the pre for the coming week.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah, just new information.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
It's a cutting paste and I forgot to replace that part.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
So this is actually our third time, our third week
in a row here at Tigers, not as the newsletter says.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
And we did three different places so far, which is
pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
Right, Like we did up up by the house, all right,
we did in the middle of the grass, and now
we're down below. So we're showing people throughout the yard
during our show.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
And we are a little bit further away from the
Wi Fi connection. Yes, that's all I'm going to say. Yes,
let's just tell me doing John, And John got himself
on the phone, he found the show, he hooked up,
he's ready and rested.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Turned off the volume so it doesn't interrupt exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
I want to thank our good friend Carla in Huntington
Beach because last week we asked for suggestions for the newsletter.
We said, hey, if you have a topic you want
me to write about, go ahead. And she came up
with a topic and I used it for the feature
article and it was interesting. I got to research old catalogs,

(01:40):
which I really never gave you something to do. I
collect old Rose catalogs.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
But I was going to say, because you collect these catalogs,
so so as a collector there's only so much room sometimes, right,
and catalogs come out annually, you know, so so now there,
at what point in time do you kind of be like, yeah,
this one isn't worth it for me to have anymore.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
I think once uh online started h so.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
You just nowadays the catalogs that come out today are
not of value to you.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Not to me, yeah, yeah, but to you.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
You know, they're really expensive compared to what you can
do online. Yeah, and then you got postage, yeah, you
know for the catalog too. And with online there's handling too,
you know, hand forget Yeah, don't even get me started
on handling fees.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
You know with online.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
You know, one of the coolest things about online catalogs today,
and I'm not talking just about plants but about everything,
is you know, back in the day, they used to
sell you based on the photo that was put for
the plant or for the outfit or the shirt or
the toy, right, They used to put a lot of
efforts into that artistry and that photograph. Well, the cool

(02:54):
thing nowadays is that you, as a member of the
public can also post picks a lot of times. So
for instance, like a plant, like a rose, you might
have it growing in your yard. You take a photo,
you can post it to that catalog photo and then
someone in Sacramento can do it, and someone and Iawa
can do it, and someone here can do it someone,
so you can see like, oh, well look at all

(03:14):
these pictures of this rose.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
This is how it really looks in real life.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
And a lot of websites have reviews right there that
right there for that sick and say, oh, well this
person lives in San Diego and look at it.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
It looks gorgeous, you know, or it works well there
and so so now there's this almost real aspect of
the online catalog to see like what am I really getting?
Because you know, when we were just shopping at of
catalogs before they gave you the you know, that's like
what people used to come to me and they used
to open up like the Better Homes and Garden magazine

(03:49):
and be like I want my yard to look like this.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
I'm like, that is.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Great, but that was yeah, and that was there was
a lot of energy and effort that went in for
that one photo shoot. And not only that, you see
that plant right there that doesn't even really sit there.
They probably just stage that plant for the photo.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
You know.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
No, it's like it's like a house when you go
walk through a house and they stage age it exactly.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Well, now now that you bring that up, do you
guys little off topic and we usually.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Don't, we never go off topay my script.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Do you ever notice watching a movie where they're supposed
to be in one area and you go Eucalyptus don't grow.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
I don't know if Brian does, but I do. I
do see that.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
I noticed other.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
There's a ficus. Yeah, it's like, you know, you can't
have a ficus in Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
I do.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
I do catch you know, things you know that are
not not you know, synchronicity when wait a second, they
would just they just went down that road and that
car is not there anymore. Yeah, Or here's another one.
You can look at, Twilight's on you. Yeah, here's one
that I catch too. When you want to want to
catch an edit that's not so obvious, say, hey, his
hair was hanging down over his forehead two seconds ago.

(04:57):
Now it's combed, you know, when they stop and somebody
on set does that. But yeah, anything you know it's
out a whack or not. You know, the synchronicity aspect
of something that most people would never never caught.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
That moor like a flower that's on a bush that
can't have that flower, you know, Like they'll put hibiscus
flowers on everything because they can just stage them right right,
and they're very colorful and beautiful and they're big. But
you're looking at the leaf and you're like, that's not
a hibiscus bush.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
You know.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Have you ever wondered why some old old movies or
black and white how the streets are always wet? Have
you noticed that like in Twilight Zone?

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Something?

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yeah, well I.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Finally looked it up. Why are the streets always wet?
It has to do with lighting, shooting and camera and
reflection and how it appeals to your eye as somebody watching.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Then it's just very dull, like you know, you don't
pick it up if it's not wet.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
It's always just rained.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Well it's also because yeah, wherever they shot.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
It at in San Jose. Gave me a little support here, Brian,
and maybe a correction for you, Oh please do Yeah,
your comment on the newsletter, Tanya points out, this is
the first time in this location at Tiger's.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
I take it back, I take it back.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
I did.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
I'm sorry that I attacked you, John, especially over the air.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Rude.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
How rude.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
So that next week, Tiger, we're going to be in
the pool house.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
We're going to be in the pool in the pool, yeah,
why not? Yeah, so bring bring your bathing suits?

Speaker 1 (06:25):
About any common chat anything going on. Besides, there's a
lot of chat, embarrassing you me in front of the
public and the nation of the world.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, there's a lot of chatter happening right now.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
But hope it's good chatter.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Idea.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, Carol is calling from Tucson and or watching from Tucson,
I should say, and she said, they've had it. They
had a really good rain. Oh nice, and we're yeah,
it's kind of unusual for us for September. You know,
we've had rain on.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
And it was a good and it was a good rain.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
It was supposed to rain today.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, I have a small percentage. Yeah, at least in
Faulbrick was like ten percent or something like that.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
Yeah, but the rain that we got was actual, like
measurable rain, where normally we get a rain and it's
almost just missing of the streets or something. But you know,
this was actually saturating the soil and the plants responded
to it.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
It was really nice.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
So I'm trying to get ready for the auction and
I have to transplant some roses and this is perfect,
perfect planning weather. And speaking of transplanting.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
I was going to say, do we want to tell
people why that camera switches over to that table now.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
And yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
We show if they know what that camera is.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
The camera that's on the Orchid Mix and Orchid Bark
and cameras on.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
There right now.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Okay, I see what.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
We are alive from Tiger's backyard looking at the orchid
table time.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
In this location. But we were going to talk about
dividing plants, but specifically orchids today right now. Before we
went on the air, we conquered first, right, John, Now
we're going to depend right, Okay, we got that out.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Of the way.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
But yeah, I mean, you know, the topic today I
think is going to be fun.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
I will say for our listeners that are joining us
via biz Talk Radio Network that it will be a
very visual show.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
We will do our best to describe to what's happening.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
And at the same time, if you are very interested
in what we're listening or what you're listening to, you know,
go to our Facebook page, go to our YouTube channel,
and you'll be able to review the show after the fact,
because there will be some things that are going to
be very visual when it comes to dividing the orchids,
how to prepare it, what soil to use little things
to kind of know, you know, about dividing orchids and go, And.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Like Tiger mentioned, you can always go to our YouTube
page after the fact. This show is usually on about
one two o'clock specific time, so you can watch the
entire show. Whenever you missed. You can fast forward, pause, rewind,
and it gives you a good aspect of what you
may have missed. My listening to this show as opposed
to watching it.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah, any other questions or comments right now?

Speaker 2 (08:55):
John Well Carlos says, she kind of hesitates to say
it now, but she's this was a great newsletter.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Nice, that'sletter I likely I really like.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
I mean, all of the energy you're putting into the
new newsletters, you know, with the information, with the photographs,
with the with just the you know, changing of things.
You're you're changing eye buddies, you're changing more than you
used to, which is awesome.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Well Brian pointed out that there's an article on dividing
uh symbidiums and did you know part of the newsletter
and uh Brian says that guy dividing the orchids looks
a little bit like a little weird about that when
I get it, does look like him. It does exactly
what happens when you tell Ai, make the guy in

(09:40):
the picture a little.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Bit like Brian divide an orkid.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
So what let's do the quart of the week? John,
We have a break coming up here. First break on
this fine well if you're if you're watching and listening live,
it's a fine Saturday morning. And then we'll take our
break and we'll start talking about what we're going to
be doing today as far as dividing and conquering orchids
is our I guess our topic today to some degree.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
The quote came from one of your favorite people, Brian
Vita sec Bill West absolutely, and she said that the
more one gardens, the more one learns. The more one learns,
the more one realizes how little one knows.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Absolutely, and that's life in general.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Right, Yeah, I've heard that not only applied to gardens,
but yeah, it's a true thing for life.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
You will die knowing a lot less than you know.
All right, we're going to take a break. As the
camera shines, As the camera shines on the little orchid
set up there, the orchid Max and the table there,
We're going to take a break. Bistalk Radio, Facebook Life
It's Guarden America. I'm Brian Maine, John Magnascar, Tiger, Pela
Fox back after these messages on BIS Talk Radio. Well,
well we made it. How about that? Back here from

(10:52):
Tiger's backyard, San Diego, California. If you're just tuning in,
you've tuned in, It's Guarden America, Garden America, and we
are here live on a rather overcast morning. Whatever's going
on in your backyard and your neck of the woods
around the world, across the nation. John, We've got you
covered gardening wise. We did talk about the fact that
today we wanted to do some dividing John Tiger, Yeah,

(11:15):
do we want to get into that now? Do we
want to set the stage?

Speaker 4 (11:18):
I think we can set the stage because there's some
information I think that would be good to give our
listeners before we actually showed, and you know, talked about
how to divide an orchid or a plant. You know,
we've talked about orchids a lot before. You know, just
of what they are and you know why they are
different than other plans. You know, you know in terms

(11:39):
of where they grow and how they grow, and you know,
one of the things that you know, people need to
know is that orchids actually don't really need or want
to be divided, you know, too much, in the sense
of they like their roots to be crowded, right, John,
like like they like to be in a post.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Just wondering if you were offering me an excuse.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
For these ones?

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Are these ones are a bit beyond that's a bit
obvious with what we did this morning taking them out
of the pot.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
But I mean, but I mean at the same time,
like you know, a normal plant, when you start to
see roots coming out of the pot, you'd be like,
I have to divide this. This is getting roupe out.
It's getting way too crowded. Yeah for an orchid. Yeah,
for an orchid that could be No, you got a
couple of years left you you can still keep going
with it, you know, right.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Well, you know they're going to survive no matter what.
I think, for the most part, the only way to
kill an orchid, in my experiences by taking care of it.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
True, you neglect it. It's gonna st find a way
to survive. But the you know, I have to look
this up, but for some reason, I'm thinking the orchid
family is the largest, but that before too, it's either
orchids or grasses, and I'm thinking it's orchids because one

(13:03):
of the things we never think about when you think
about orchids is all the hardy orchids. Hundreds and hundreds
of species of hardy orchids. When orchids there.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
That must be pardon the pun. Wild. To see that
in nature growing like, oh yeah, it were.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah. We see like wild cyclomen, you know, and their
little tiny things and you go up and they're as
fragrant as any rose you would ever ever sniff. So yeah,
to find those things growing out in the wild, it
is pretty cool. Well, you remember when we went to

(13:45):
Costa Rica, you know, all those things Tiger pointed out,
all the epiphytic plants, you know, just growing up in wirees.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
And on another note, this is kind of a kind
of the same comparison is when we saw the wild parrots,
because I used to seeing them in a pet shop.
I'm used to I'm used to seeing the cause in
somebody's house, not flying around, you know, in the wild.
We saw two cans. We saw you know, various uh
spec at yeah exactly, but just to see we pulled

(14:15):
into a liquor store to get a sandwich and some
drinks and in the parking lot and the trees were
two or three parrots. So it's unusual to see that
when you're not used to being there or living there.
But as you pointed out, to see those growing wild
like that must have been a must have been spectacular.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Tiger Lenora wants to know what the orange flowers are.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
From behind the orchid display that I have. That's a tacoma.
So it's a variety of tacoma. So you know, tacoma
common name for tacoma cape honeysuckle, honeysuckle. Yeah, And and
do you know, I was just trying to think of
when I saw that question, what is the difference between
lonas Era and tacoma lonas Ere's more the viny one

(14:57):
and no.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
They're different species.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
Well, you know, they're different species, but you know, a
lot of people will kind of you know, aren't they
both called like honeysuckles?

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Right? But there's a lot of plants that have similar names.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Right related Okay, Okay, you know.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Like a lot of serah is. They're hardy to begin
with for the most part. And there there's bushy ones
and there are viny.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Okay, so there are bushy ones as well.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yeah, okay, so that's not because you know, sometimes you
can be like, oh, well this one vines like Dipladini
and mandavia. You know, a lot of people confuse those two,
but Dipladinians are more bushy, mandavia tend to be more viny. Yeah,
so okay, but yeah, that's a tacoma. And there's a
lot of varieties of tacoma coming out right now that are.
You know, they have the yellow, they have the orange,
they have red, bushy, you know, small, big, you know,

(15:55):
they're very hardy, good plants.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
My mind just went blank on the the genus. But
what is giant burmese honeysuckle?

Speaker 3 (16:03):
I think that's a luna Sarah, No, that's what I thought.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, that's one of the few tropical ones.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
I'm yeah, but yeah, that's a tacoma right there. It's beautiful,
it's in full bloom. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
The show and say, look at everything that's blooming. Look
it's winter time. What look at that backyard Because a
lot of people obviously you get into November even before
you're you're shutting down. You're shutting down. So we'll do
that this winter. Give you an idea of what what
it looks like here in San Diego.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
You know you told me to hold the mic away
from and talk over it just.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Like this, just like that, not away, just just a past.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Okay, I misunderstood what you instructed me. And Tanya says,
don't listen to Brian. You need to hold the mic closer.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
No, we're talking about an angle and I don't want
to get into logistics here. Do I have the angle right?
But I can't tell no like this? You want to
talk past the mic? No, no, look at me, look
at it like that. I'm talking past the mic. So,
so what that'll do? If you tend to pop your
ps you have kind of a thumping bass sound. This
will help alleviate that. That's all.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
We're getting a little buffering too. I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
That's the connection the buffering for the video, but I
don't know if the audio.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Oh, I'm sure we'll be people will let us know there. Oh,
there we go. Okay, so we get about a minute.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
By the way, and regarding that Tacoma too, if you
look over by the windmial over and the people can't
see this, that's a yellow one over there, you see.
Oh yeah, okay, so you know, and that one's much
bigger than the shorter orange one behind us.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
So, now.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Is there a difference between tacoma and tech ameera.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
That's a it's got a much smaller leaf, right as
far as am I thinking of the right plant, like
same flower, but a much smaller leaf.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
With shinier leaves.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Uh huh. So I don't know if there's a difference.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Okay, I'm not sure if one is a genus change
or if it's a complete right's.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Take a break. We're gonna take a break. This is
our well the second segment we're finishing up. We are
back from the break. Thank you. So those tuned in
on BIS Talk Radio Facebook Live, those on Facebook Live
got to see the in between commercial segment of what
we're doing here as we get set up, and now
we are back on live and Tiger. What the heck

(18:34):
is John doing. He's got a big knife out, he's
got a pod, he's got what is that in front
of him? Anyway, I have no idea what's going on.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
So we have a Symbidium orchid, which you know, there's
a lot of varieties of orchid subidiums lay the anopsis
and drobiums unsidiums, you know, and sibidiums are ones that
create kind of like bulbs at the base of the plant.
Then they just keep reproducing from the base. And so
this is like where we talk about where you get

(19:00):
into actually dividing them, because where like a family Anopsis
will actually grow a whole nother plant off of it
from the root system.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
These ones have bulbs and they do like their roots
to be contained.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
They like to be crowded.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
They like to be crowded I'm holding in my hand though.
Do they die after they bloom or do they keep going.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
They're called pseudobulbs, which means false bulb right yep. And
they're used for storage. So once that pseudobulb has bloomed,
they put out leaves and bloomed, then it's just a
storage union unit. As they get older, like the ones
you have in your hand, they or if you overwater

(19:52):
and to take care of the plant, they rocked and
those are no good And that's one of the things
we want to take out as we go through divide
this plant. So we'll be taking that out. Obviously, we'll
take out all the grass and the weeds that are
in there, so we'll see what we come up with.
And I brought this this antique Chinese pot to put

(20:15):
it in because clay. Yeah, and they're actually orchid pots,
and so I think are really cool. I wish you
could buy these.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
And I would say it's a big thing with the
orchid pods because lots of lots of drainage, lots of
ventilation for airflow through the soil mix or root mix.
Because again, if orchids were ever just sitting in water,
they would rot out and die like.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
This bulb, you know, pseudobulb would.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
So that's why orchid pots always have holes in the side.
You know, there's no soil to retain the moisture, so
it's just humidity based around the root system. The difference
between using orchid mix and or could bark has to

(21:01):
do with a little bit of the plants that you're
you're planting. So you know, you know, Failianopsis normally are
in bark, and sidiums and drobians.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Are tend to be in soil. You know, allow that drainage.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
And will the bark absorb any of that moisture?

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Is it'll absorb it. And just.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Because before this he was like oh, I thought you
would do this. I'm like, it's not my plant, so
you do it. So he's saw he's you know, literally
sawing the plant in half. And you can see he's
not being super delicate with the root system because he's
already identified the like live parts of the plant that
he wants to keep. He's already, if I you know,
the divided into multiple plants. So he's just cutting it

(22:06):
in half right now to get him that the basis
of the roots. The only thing you have to be
careful with right now when you're doing this is just
removing any complete roots.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
So I thought you're gonna say, cutting your fingers.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Cutting your fingers too, especially if you're using a sharp knife.
But you just want you want to leave some.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Route right And one of the things I'm trying to
do is when you divide us in bits. And I thought,
I thought I came across a scorpion.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
I was going to say, yeah, what what are you
finding in there now that you've cut that open?

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Amazing? What's in there? Anyway, I'm gonna I'm gonna go
back to this as Tiger and Brian describe what we're in.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
What he's doing, it's it's good to kind of note
too that you don't need you know, some people will.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Like leave all the roots.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
So so John's pot that he had this orchid in
before was a very tall pot. You know, orchids don't
require a very tall pot. And it's funny because the
pot he actually brought is very tall as well. A
lot of times orchid pots will be shallow because you know,
they don't really need the depth. So he doesn't need
to leave all the length of the root when he's transplanting.

(23:35):
He can cut some of the bottom part off to
fit it in. You do just need to probably leave about,
you know, four to five inches of root down below
the pseudobulb, just to give it that structure and not
shock it as well. And don't be scared. You know,
when you do this, the plant will go through some shock.
You might even lose a few pseudobulbs after the fact.

(23:56):
You know, you you do your transplanting, you know, two
weeks later one of the suit bowlbs will die off,
maybe because you didn't realize you cut out some of
the root system while doing this work.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
In other words, you can make a few mistakes and
it's not really gonna.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
No, it's not going to hurt it too much, you know,
because and that's why I think also John, you know
mentioned you know, leaving multiple ones, because if you leave
multiple ones, you're going to have more success, where if
you try to get in there and cut out individuals,
you're going to probably struggle a little bit more and
not be as successful.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
You know.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
I think that you know, what John is doing also
is a bit difficult because.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
It's up on a table.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
A lot of times when you're doing a plant of
this size with division, it's easy to do it on
the ground and you can take like a shape, a
spade or shovel and just drive.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Through it with your foot, which can table. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
Yeah, So you know, don't be afraid to you know,
at home, you know, put it on the ground, you know,
drive a spade or shovel through it with your foot
to give you that leverage and ability to do it
because you know, doing it on your poddy table, you
you might not have the leverage with some of these
because they're actually very sturdy root systems too, So you know,

(25:18):
you got to work with another thing whenever you're dividing
the plants, doing it on a daylight today where it's
a little overcast, a little cool. Anytime, anytime you can
minimize stress on plants whenever you're working with them is
going to benefit and have you be more successful. So,

(25:39):
you know, working on a division of a plant in
you know, ninety eight degree weather with full sun, you're
just going to get that you know, dry, hot, you
know weather that eventually could affect the way that it's
transplant and then especially if you're also then putting it
into the that environment right after afterwards, put it into

(26:10):
the sun, a little bit of a shock, right exactly,
so you have to you know, these are.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
More ideal conditions right now. Oh yeah, you're doing this.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
Yeah, and it's ideal because it's easier on you. You know,
you're working you're not working out in the hot sun
and you know everything like that. It looks like he's
got a portion of it all done and yeah, I'm
much better and he's left. You know what I see
about four suitables, one brand new one, one mature one
and one and it's kind of like, uh, you know,

(26:39):
teenage stages so to speak. So you know a lot
of fun, you know, being able to kind of get
in there and clean it up and you know, just
you know, this is part of gardening too, where you
have more like you did. Just see him like toss
the whole other portion of the plant behind it.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
And he said under his breath, this is your problem.
Now Jack's gonna leave it there.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
But but I mean, you know, if this is a
plant you really have enjoyed and you you love it,
this is also a great opportunity to have something that
you share absolutely where now you can give it to
a friend or give it as a housewarming gift, and
it's you know, something that you you have and they have.
You know a lot of people will give them to
family members and now they share this this plant, you know,

(27:25):
wherever they are.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
So all this in less than ten minutes, by the way.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
Yeah, very impressing me, just as John's working on that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Yeah, you just like, I gotta do this. I got
to get out there.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Once you're out there, you're glad that you're out there
doing it.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
And so the or the orchid mix it should have
been done, by the way, should have been done in March,
right after they're done blooming. This is the wrong time.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
But now because it's the wrong time, how big a
deal is the.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Way I look at it is if it gets done,
that's the right time for me.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Right now, we got about just about less than a minute, Tiger, John.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
You know one of the things that we've talked about,
and I think when we get back from the break,
we'll hit on this subject a little bit more because
we got to go into it a little bit more
in detail. Sure, you know, that's when you know it's
stressed out. You know, the fertilizer will just give it

(28:32):
a little bit of like help, you know, when.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
It's stressed out.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
You know, forcing some nutrients into but orchids are a
little bit different, like we've talked about, they don't always
require as much fertilizer as we might think other plants do.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Okay, we're going to take a break for our friends
on biz Talk Radio, Facebook Live. Do stay with us
a lot more with what we're doing today, dividing and
conquering orchids, orchid mix, bark, the whole kit, and komboodle,
as John says, the whole nine yards. Tiger says it
once in a while too. We are back after these
messages on biz Talk Radio, staying with us. We are
back from the break. Thank you. For joining us here

(29:06):
on Garden America. I'm Brian Maine along with Tiger Palafox,
John Beg Nascio. Uh so what do you think about
ten minutes?

Speaker 4 (29:13):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (29:14):
All in all for John to do what he just
did in front of the camera live unless you're listening
back to the replay, but on camera live is he
divided the the orchid?

Speaker 4 (29:23):
And uh, you see me playing with the bug here?
What do you call this bug? What do you call
this bug?

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Me?

Speaker 1 (29:27):
See? Is that one of those oh like when we
were kids would call them rolly Polly's okay Polly? But
there you know, what do.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
You call this bug? John?

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Salbug?

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Salbug or some people will call them pill bugs, roly
poly salbug, pill bugs.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
And that came out of John's orchids.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
There's a whole colony of them. They came out of
John's orchid.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Carla wanted to know. She said it looked like I
was putting soil in there. There are terrestrial orchids, and
bidiums are one and they it has to be quick draining,
but they do.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Is still very well draining. In this eb stone orchid
mix is aged fur bark, so it's got bark in
there the lava rock which is allowing for drainage and everything,
and then aged redwood, which is again just it's almost
like a bark with some lava rock, but it's very fine.
Where for those of you that are watching on TV,

(30:28):
we have a shot where it cuts to the actual
package orchid bark, and again orchid bark is just another
fine bark that you would put in your pots just
to hold them in place.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
You know.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
The before the break we were mentioning about, you know,
transplanting fertilization, and you know, some plants, you know, when
you transplant them, it's good to fertilize them a little
liquid fertilizer, maybe some CLT meal, maybe some fish emulsion,
something that's kind of fast acting that'll go into the
root system, just to kind of minimize some of the
shock when you're doing it. Now, you know, John, we've

(31:02):
talked about this before that there's a lot of products
for orchids fertilizers out there, right but at the end
of the day, you know, all fertilizers just NPK, nitrogen,
potash and phosphorus. Phosphorus and potash.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
I think the point in fact was that you don't
need to vary the formula for feeding orchids depending on
the time of year. Yeah, you know, you don't need
this just to encourage roots. This is to encourage bloom.
They just use the same amount of fertilizer all year round.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
So yes, which you know means that it's kind of
lacking some nutrients, go ahead and fertilize it. But orchids,
for the most part, don't require a lot of fertilizers.
So if it's a very green, you know, healthy looking plant,

(31:59):
I don't think you need to fertilize when transplanting, no.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
You know, And it takes the plants a little while
to adjust to the transplant shock, so fertilizer doesn't always help.
As a matter of fact, sometimes it can even hurt.
But they do have fertilizers that are made just for transplanting.
I think trying to I think it might be easy

(32:24):
ebe stone that makes one called jump start, Oh fertilizer.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
So, John, let me ask you. You brought up a good
point here about transplanting and what the possible detriment could
be for fertilizing. Is it because the plant might be
in a little weaker state.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, it's mainly if you're using high nitrogen right gen
that they can.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
And you're forcing the plant to do something that he's
just they've just been transplanted. They're they're in a little
weaker condition to be able to take up all that fertilizer.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, and so if it was an organic food, that
would be better because you know that's going to be
available as the plant, where if it's a chemical fertilizer,
then you are taking a chance of damaging the plant.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
So so yeah, I don't think that you know, when
you're transplanting orchids, they need you know, a lot of fertilizer.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
I don't think they need it.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
And then the only other thing, like I say, is
when you do finish transplanting it, you do want to
put it in a protected area for a little bit
of time. Even even if the plant was kept in
it's a very sturdy, you know, tough plant. When you
do transplant it, anytime you can kind of you know,

(33:35):
just baby it along, I mean, you know, keep it
in a protected area, keep the soil damp, you know,
and just until you start to see new growth really
developing on the transplanted plant, then you can start moving it.
Into more exposure or a harder area for it to
kind of.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Like taking care of kids. Yeah, once you see that
you can trust them on their own and they're responsible,
then then you can move them out and then leave
them alone.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
I apologized for the mess I made here, by the way, that's.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
What part of it a little suspicious. Exactly, No, that's exactly.
How did you like using this knife for.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
The first time? I really like it. My son bought
it for me maybe five years ago, but it was
so nice I never wanted to use it. Now it's
perfect for this job. It really is made by a
called bear Bone.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Now is this going to inspire you to do more
of this with this knife? I might do different things
with that. I don't blame.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Really nice to use.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, and it feels good in your hands the way
everything about it, By the.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Way, just read. I didn't want our Idaho buddy, as
he referred to him as Quarterlaine Kevin.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Quarter Kevin, my my high school buddy.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
But he did make a comment about the newsletter earlier
that said, one of the things that helps the newsletter
is the fact that I write better than Henry David Thureau.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Wow, how about that?

Speaker 2 (35:00):
It's pretty nice.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Quite a comparison.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah, pretty nice comment. So I appreciate that, Kevin. Thanks.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Oh no, my son started talking to me.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
As soon as you answer the question from Carla, can
you please hold up the bag of potting mix. Yeah,
I think I think there's a good shot of it.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
Now.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
It's it's it's just the eb stone orchid potting mix,
you know. So again now with the orchid mixes, John,
you know, we talked about how seed starting mix tends
to be more sterile, potting mix tends to have you know,
is not sterile?

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Is orchid mix? I mean just.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
Being lava, redwood fur bark, some orchid, some orchid bark
in there.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Is it sterile at all? Is that as important or No?

Speaker 2 (35:44):
I don't think it's sterilized, okay, because the sterile products
are heat treated, right, and I don't pathogens in the
in the medium. I think it was. Veronica asked earlier,

(36:05):
what I plugged the holes up on the bottom. I
didn't plug them up with anything. We want that exposure, right,
There was a big hole in the bottom and I
used the top of my coffee cuffs. But on the side,
if you have holes like that, and I could have
done it on here and it would not have hurt

(36:25):
the plant. You can take green moss, you know, long
fiber stuff in there and you can just put it
on the sides and that allows the air to flow through.

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(36:54):
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(37:14):
Here back on guard in America broadcasting live. By the way,
if you're just joining us from tiger's backyard here in
San Diego, California.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
I want to go ahead.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
I was just going to mention a longtime friend, Aaron, Yeah,
talking about this family of roly Polly's yea everywhere, and
I apologize for that tiger. That they give live birth.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, I was just reading that too.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yeah, that's interesting watch them give birth.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
I would have thought they would have been little eggs
and then they hatched into the soil.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
But no, you know what I like watching is.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
When I collect them, you know, a whole bunch of them.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
And then also Tanya had mentioned that the soil mix,
this orchid mix, sounds like it would be really good
to use for bromeliads as well, and I agree that
would be a great mix for bameiliads because they like
the drain industrial.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yes, you would not want to use it for epiphytes
like to Lanzius.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Right.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
And then Millie said that she attended a Symbidium demo
local grower and they recommended calcium nitrate fertilizer. After dividing,
who knows might have been fine without the fertilizer, And
that's exactly right, Millie. It could have been fine without
the fertilizer a lot of I will say that's.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
One that that I would not recommend. But I'm not
I'm not an orchid specialist, you know. And if somebody's
an orchid grower and they're successful doing it, I'm not
going to tell them not to do it, you know,
just if it works, do it. But that's going to
be a salt right which can dry out roots, and
nitrates are fast releases. You're messing with a pH. John,

(39:13):
you don't want to mess with pH.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
But but I will say, Millie, you know.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
And because I do like to say messing with you know,
has not been you know, in the industry very long.
If he was still working in a garden center very

(39:38):
long for a while, for a while, he has.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Not been in an industry for a while. Yes, not
very long.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yet it's fifty years.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
It's not very long.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
No, it's you're just a baby, You're just we're all
trying to sell things. And one of the hard things
with gardening is that, you know, I mean, like what
we just said, there's a lot of buying all these things.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Propagating your own plan, you know.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
They you know, they encourage people to go to the
garden center and purchase something and then use it. And
and as John mentioned, you know, there is a slight
chance that it could increase your your success or you know,
cure your problem. But at the same time, there's a
lot of ways that if it just was done naturally,
they're going to be just as successful and work out

(40:41):
well too. And so you know, I'm not down plane
is because I still work from them. From the aspect
of you know, I mean, I'm trying to sell you
guys or kid mix. I'm trying to sell you a fertilizer.
I'm trying to sell you a bug spray, you know.
I mean if this was if this was me and
I saw pillbugs coming out of my soil, I would
sell you on something that would kill the pill bugs

(41:02):
in as well.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
And do you know what I'm going to do when
I get home. I'm gonna sprinkle some tarot granules in
the planet.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah, exactly. So, so I mean, if it works.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
For you, if you've done something for a while, don't
change it.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
Yeah, And you know, but you know, sometimes it's not needed.
I will say though, with a pill bug thing. I mean,
for those of you that were watching the program, that
was a very good sized. What was this againdum, that
was a very good size symbidium.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Yeah, it was okay and is and pill bugs eat.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
Wait a minute, though, I want to show another plant
that John brought. I'm gonna bring it on care.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
I'm gonna do that one too.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Now.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
That one is a dendrobium, and it's actually it's a
variety of a species and kind of a rare, rare plant.
But I again, it looked just like the symvidium.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
And there we go.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Tiger's trying to get even with me and just block
me out because of what I'm doing to his house here.
All right, what do you what are you gonna say, Tiger?

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Well, I mean, that's a very good looking plant from
the standpoint of very mature. It's got a lot of
growth on it, and you know, people can see the
structure of the pot from what it was. And that's
exactly by the way, if you're watching this on Facebook live,
it is not in a pot.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Even though it looks like it's in a pot.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
It wasn't a ceramic compressed soil, you know.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
But you know, this one I think would be way
more difficult to divide because this one here, you're gonna
it's it's not the same pseudo bulbs as the symbidium.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
And doesn't have the rot that the symbidium had. Yeah,
won't might not come apart as easily.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
So you're actually when you divide this one, you're actually
kind of probably lose parts of it.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
And I think you're just more gentle, right, Yeah, I
think I don't.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
I mean, I think it's it's kind of at the
point where you're just like, you're gonna do what you
have to do. There's really not a lot of options
besides like cutting it in half and maybe cutting it
in half again, and you're going to lose parts of.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
It, right, sacrificial division, that's what we like to call it.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah, But it's it's such a hardy plant and if
it's under ideal. This has been growing in Fallbrook for
the last three years, out in full sun, and it's
a part shaded plant. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
That looks really good for a little taded here and there.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, and for not being being as root bound as
it was. I didn't have to worry about rot because
there was never anywhere for water to sit.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
There's no room for rot.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Yeah, could you take cuttings off of this plant, like,
could this plant be like? Could I cut off this
and root it? Or that doesn't happen?

Speaker 2 (44:03):
No, No, you want you want to take part of
the root with you. But there's plenty to take.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
And I was telling you I wanted you to keep
part of this because it'll naturalize under our climate conditions
about sunburn at all, and and it'll be much happier
and it'll it'll do better. And when it blooms, it

(44:28):
puts out two foot flower spikes that it's beautiful. Wow,
just two to three foot just covered with flowers.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Do they only bloom once a year and just in
the spring, just in the spring? Yeah? Okay. And you know.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
As this plant, like, would you you say it naturalized?

Speaker 3 (44:47):
So if you you could plant it in the ground.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
And by naturalized, I don't mean it's going to spread
all over you. No, No, climates probably a better word than naturalize.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
So this is something I could put in the ground. No,
so I want to keep it in a pot.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
I I the one I had in at my house
and pepper tree. I you've seen those stumps that I
have out in my new place. I had a stump
something like that and it had a hole in the stump.
So I put this in there, and I put an
orchid bark mix around it, and know it's an area

(45:24):
that would get spring cled occasionally, okay, So an area
like that and it would do really well.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Okay, but it's not going to respond well being in soil.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
I dative, so especially heavy soil.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Yeah, because you can see.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
That, We're going to take a break, guys when we return,
a lot more fun here on Garden America. Brian made
along with John Beg, Nascar, Tiger Pello Fox broadcasting live
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(45:59):
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(46:22):
We hope it was a good break for you. We
enjoyed it. The table's been cleared off or cleaned off
just a little bit. Tiger's gonna take John's knife because
Tiger covets that knife.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
John.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
That knife is that's a great knife.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
Yeah, and keeps getting attacked by a little bugs crawling around.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
So anyways, you know, the soil is alive.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Yes, it's teeming with life life.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Dirt is dead, soil is alive. So this is definitely
soil exactly. I feel so bad about that.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
I feel bad about it. That's what we do.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Tanya mentioned we don't need to talk about this in
the year, But the only reason I'm going to do
it is because I don't have a long term memory.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yep for the bee. So anyway, John, as you were mentioning,
we've got the system underway and everything should be good
to go. You know, once we finish up with the
weekend and we get the planning done and the soils
in place, then I think you can pick up where
you left off and just take it from John.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Still reading all the comments, all right.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Well, let's see, Carla wants to know if taro granules
are okay in pots. Yes, they're okay in pots, and
she wanted to know if it was okay for roses.
And it's interesting that you ask that, Carla, because I
mentioned at the beginning of the show that I was

(47:50):
transplanting roses. When I transplant a rose, I put soil
in the bottom of the pot and then I sprinkle
a layer of tarot granules, and then I put in
the the whatever I'm putting into the pot, so that
eliminates the sal bugs coming from underneath, you know, because

(48:12):
I use one gallon container. So the one gallon containers
have those little slits in the side, little cutouts, and
soal bugs can easily go in there. Those are ideal conditions.
And if you have a plant that's been around for
a while, like tigers sand, you can pull that plant
out of the pot and the whole bottoms, the roots
have been eaten by sow bugs.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
Or earwakes in with a you know rose, you know,
especially like a new rose or like one that you're
developing from cuttings, that could they could kill the plant.
You know, they could get in there and actually like
eat all the root system and you go in there
and like, oh why did this plant struggle? You pull
it up, and you know the roots are It's funny
because it's not like a gopher like people think, oh

(48:55):
it's like a gopher, where it's like you go in
there and all the root systems eating away and the
plant just falls over.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
When when root eating bugs like sow bugs, grubs and
the likes of those the damage is different.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
It's almost like the roots are still there.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
There's also collateral damage because chewing on the roots exposes
the roots. You know, that's an open wound, so it
exposes the roots to root funguses or root fungui to
be grammatically correct.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Do you know that?

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Why plants or why words that end in us? Brian?
What do you know why the plural is an eye
like cactus, cacti like cacti, fungus fung gui, And sometimes
it's an a like stadium, stadiu. Why sometimes it's it's

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because it's Latin, and us is a masculine ending in Latin.
So if it's a masculine word, the plural is an eye.
If it's a feminine word which ends in um, the
plural is usually in a.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Oh and you learned that more than fifty years ago.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Yeah, it keeps going today.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Ye ask him about ask him about the first segment
of our show.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
How did we open the show? Exactly?

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Exactly? That's impressive, that's very impressive. Yeah, stadium.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
We usually say stadiums. Right, Yeah, you know, you get
away from the Latin. You know another thing now that
you meant, are you going to bring up moose no good, no, no,
I'm going to bring up commas.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Oh, the misuse of commas.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Well, because I'm writing a book right, just finished a book,
and I have a question about that book. I wanted
to ask too. Let's see what our listeners think. But
when you use the word and we were always taught
you don't have a comma beforehand.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
It's changed, it has changed, It has changed why and
you know what? You know what else that we were
taught you could never do is begin a sentence with
because and I think they've thrown that out the window
as well.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Yeah, it's and I could never begin a sentence with
and and I see that happening sometimes too. Yeah, I
I could never begin a sentence with a conjunction.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Right, right, conjunction junction right. There was a TV show that.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Was Petticoat junction.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
No, No, there was was a conjunction was There was
a kids show back in the seventies to teach you otherwords.
It was fun to watch, but you were learning something
and didn't really know it. Like now, this has nothing
to do with advance the conjunction junction. Yeah, you like
you were you were a doobie, wouldn't you a doobie.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Yeah, do be a dope, don't be Oh yeah, no way,
just quick aside from gardening, you know, I'm putting the
finishing touches on my book. It's pretty much all been written.
But I'm wondering what some of our listeners might think
is that in my book, I have a title for

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each chapter. And I noticed that more recent books none
of the chapters are titled, you know, especially like thrillers
and John Grisham books and stuff like that. So I'm wondering,
do our listeners like seeing the title of a chapter.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Right as you turn the page and begin a new
a new part of the book.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Yeah, And I have a I have a title with
an epigraph, you know, so there's a little quote which
I get from our newsletters right right from doing it
for our newsletters, not from our newsletters.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
So chapters of books have titles.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Yeah, yeah, And do you appreciate it or do you
think that's extraneous and it bothers you?

Speaker 4 (53:03):
So this was something I kind of think I learned
a lot about when you were talking about not just
the title of the chapter, but you actually had an
image at the beginning of each chapter. Two And I
think that this is a big difference between male and
female readers. I like to have a book, a movie,

(53:24):
a story tell me the whole thing. I want to
know the ending. I want to know no, no, no,
not before. Oh goodness, that's our pul vacuum. Scared Brian.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Brian was clear in his throat over there.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
But I thought Lloyd Bridges was coming up.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
By the But I want to know, Like, the reason
why I'm reading a book or watching a movie is
because I'm to be entertained. I don't like those books
or movies that leave the ending or the to be a.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Question no, or they say we're going to leave that
up to you, yes, what happened?

Speaker 1 (54:04):
I want to get back to that chapter thing for
a second, because I thought about this, John, that could
be an enticement to continue reading the book or to
go into that chapter because if if you give it, well, no,
but if you give it a title like you know.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Ooh, this is good.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
The one I wrote yesterday, which was the Congress of
Quiet Hours.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Okay, yeah, I might want to know what that?

Speaker 3 (54:27):
What does that to me?

Speaker 1 (54:28):
And so I'm going to continue to read it. If
there's nothing to set me up like that, I may
put the book down because Okay, I'm done with that chapter.
Who knows what I'm going to get back to it.
But if you give me a title like that, I'm
more inclined to say, I want to find out more
about this.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
But my mother read a lot, and I think maybe
that's where I got my desire for reading from. But
she read a lot, and she always read the last
four pages of the book before she started. Why and
well that I asked her that, and she said, I'm
not going to waste my time reading a whole book
if I don't like the way it ends, And to me,

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that kind of spoils it. But well, then every book
she ever read she read that way.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
We got to take a break here, run a little
bit late here back after these messages on Bistok Radio.
Stay with us. This is Garden America. Okay, we are back.
We have two more segments to go. This one here,
the one that we're kicking off is one of our
longer segments. I guess we could we could call these
instead of calling them segments, they're going to be chapters titles.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
One.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
I will say, though, you know what John was describing
as far as whether people like to leave it up
to their imagination or whether they like to be told
what something is. Now, to bring this back into gardening,
one of the things that I noticed has changed over
the years with gardening industry. People will not buy a

(55:52):
plant without it either in bloom or a photo of
what that plant or flower or looks like. Meaning it
used to be that used to go to a garden
center and if plants are in bloom, they were spent.
If you were buying plants in bloom, you did not
buy petunias in bloom. You did not buy impatients in.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
It like adopting a twelve year old kid.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
It is, it is, it's already way into its growing phase.
And you know, you why you you wouldn't. Sorry, I
just let that slide. That's bad. But I would say,
like people were like, if I need to buy the
plant when it's young so I can get its full
life in my garden. Nowadays, if it's not blooming in

(56:36):
the garden center, they don't buy it. And at the
same time, okay, they can understand, well, you know, they're
buying a plant early. You know, like for instance, a tomato.
They're not going to wait for it to have tomatoes
on it before they buy it. But they definitely need
to see a picture of what the tomato will look like,
because even if it has a description, they still don't
do it.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
They still won't buy it.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
It has to have a photo of whatever whatever or
pepper whatever, tomato whatever.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Flour, Well, how many how many places sell vegetables with
fruit on them? Where you'll get a large size pepper
plant with peppers on it, or tomato starting to fruit.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
You're talking more like blooming plants, right, flours?

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Well, no, but I'm talking about the tomatoes.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
Like like, we will sell a five gallon tomato at
the nursery sometimes and it has fruit on it and
people will buy it, and you know, I mean, you know,
it used.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
To be really popular. And I haven't seen them forever,
so I don't know if they still sell them. But
they always used to come out early with pattio tomatoes. Yeah,
do you guys still sell those?

Speaker 3 (57:40):
We don't sell them.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Tomato.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
It was a short, determinate variety that you could sell
in a one gallon pot and it would have fruit
on it, Okay, but the fruit tasted terrible.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Because of that, I don't think people plant them as
much anymore.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Yeah, they started.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
It's a really cool concept, but at the end of
the day, it wasn't exactly what you wanted, you know,
just the fact that you had tomatoes wasn't wasn't always.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Worth worth the poor tasting fruit.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
So are people more visual now?

Speaker 4 (58:11):
Well, that's I think it really is. And it's sad
because there's a lot of things out the member.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
We would we would refuse the shipment of betting plants.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Who want to garden. It's better to go in early,
buy the plants early, plant them. You're going to have
them be more successful. They're going to flower more.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
For instance, because if you were responsible for the plant,
well well.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
Well but you know, we're just talking about dividing the
plants right now. You'd rather plant a plant in your
garden and have it grow into bloom because you're going
to be more successful that way. Where if you plant
a plant that's already blooming in your garden, like it
it's in full bloom, you plant that in your garden, well,

(59:03):
two or three weeks later, sometimes days later, it will
drop all those blooms because you transplanted it, and you
know it's.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Younger plants usually transplant easy yes, I remember when.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
I want to bring that back. I want to bring
back early gardening.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Well years ago, when I took my daughter as an
exchange student to New Zealand, she got a job in
a nursery part time. I think the second time she
went back, but she said that if they're on their
betting plant table, when the plants started to bloom, they
threw them out. Yeah, that people would. As a matter

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of fact, she said, sometimes they bought them without leaves,
just cott of leedens where the seed had just sprouted.
And that's the way people bought betting plants.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
Yeah, that might be a little bit tough because you
take that home and transplant it in the right and
there's a good chance that somebody's going to kill it.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
But definitely exchange over the year.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
So it used to be uh, what were they called
mud flats? Yes, mud flats. They don't sell those anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
To that, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
I think City Farmers Nursery still does flat, yes, because
they do a lot of their own like vegetable growing seas.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
And they were trays of plants, betting plants or vegetables
that had no individual trays within. Yeah, and you would
you would go to the garden center and they would
cut out You'd say, I want six tomatoes. They would
pull up this flat of tomatoes. And back then they
were all wood flats and they would cut out six

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plants and then give them to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
You and give them to you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
And how would they give them to you in any
in any kind of bag or.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
What would they think?

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
What they would do would be to wrap them in newspapers,
I recall. Yeah, now they don't have newspaper. Yeah, back then,
there was no When Brian and I grew up, there
was no plastic.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Brian's toys were all made out of bachel light bait.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
What what is bagels? A bagels?

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
I just shake my head and agree.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Light was the first plastic, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
And it was a brittle, very brittle break easy yeh, gotcha?

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Now now, so you know wideners, wideners.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
I think until she sold the business, Evelyn, right, Evelyn,
they would have the dig your own bogonia.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Oh yeah, they would have a lot of dig your.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Right, dig your own bogonia. Right.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
You used to go over there, they would have a
row of bogonias in a in the ground, in a
in a planter, and you would just go in there
and dig out your own ones, and then you would
buy individual plants.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
That was my first wake up call to gardening in California.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Oh really Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
I moved out here from Michigan and it was a
first of July nineteen seventy seven, nineteen seventy seven, right,
and I read that they were having a dig your
own bogonia sale at Widener's, and so my wife and
I drove out there. We were living in renting a

(01:02:08):
house in San Marcos at the time. We went to
Wideners and spectacular, uh bogonias right su tubris pagonias camellia
flowering bogonias. So we dug them out, brought him to
a house in San Marcos, planted them, and over the
Fourth of July weekend there was a Santa Anna and

(01:02:30):
everyone burned.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
To a crisp Oh man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
It was like, you know, I thought you could grow
anything in California.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
Any time one hundred degrees. Yeah, I think I might
try to bring that back. I'm going to try to
bring back I'm gonna I'm gonna model my nursery over
an old school nursery in the years to come, where
we're not going to have blooming plants.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
We're not going to have you know, sell packs of plants.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Well what you're talking about, so opening up a seed store.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
Exactly exactly what I'm gonna do. It's way easier than yeah,
nurse you water, have to water to do anything.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Just put up a few before and after pictures.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
That's what I'm saying that just yeah, you know, it's
all gonna be based on photography.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Yeah, absolutely, I like the general consensus. And Lilah, thanks
for your comment. Everybody says that the titles entice you
to keep on reading.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Yeah, exactly, it's it's a little it's a little tease
you speaking of that, of like endings that are kind
of left leave you hanging. As Dana and I watch
a lot more reruns from the sixties and seventies running
into that a little bit where you, okay, it's getting
toward the end, and then okay, they caught the criminal.
But there's a lot of a lot of things that
that are left un like what happened to the wife,
what happened to the guy that was shot, what happened

(01:03:39):
to so many things that happened that they don't tie
that nice little ribbon on in the end and give
you the finished package. Yeah, I need that, and of
course the excuse, right, Well, we leave that up to
the listener of the viewer to decide what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Yeah, we want you to decide.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Leave it up to me.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Are they dead or are they not? Tell me?

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
I paid fifteen dollars to watch. Tell me I wanted
the ending. And there's even all and endings. Now, you
know in movies and stuff. Well, that is the funny thing, right,
People don't realize is that a movie will go through
a series of views and what the original movie thought
to be could be different than what's actually sent to us.

(01:04:15):
Because when people watched it before us and told them,
we used to buy the DVDs and it exactly Hey,
coming up out of the d I wonder if people
can hear it on that air.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Tiger didn't tell us you had a pet cracking.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
He just got the cave for the crack and then everything.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
It went silent. It's underwater. But anyway, going back to
you were gonna offend somebody, I'm sorry, No.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
No, I wanted to to. We talked about it, and
I think I agree with everybody, So I'm going to keep.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
The time with the time chapters.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Yeah, But the one thing I'm still up in the
air about is every chapter I also start with a
line drawing. And I've probably interviewed maybe fifty sixty people
on this, so I kind of wonder what our listeners say.
But on the line drawings, I'm find out finding out
that for the most part, men like them, women don't,

(01:05:22):
and younger people like them, older people don't. And the
some of the comments I get is I like to
picture the scene or what the characters look like in
my own mind, and a line drawing is distracting.

Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
To We're going to take a break, all right, we
have one more people think after here as guard in
America continues to stay with us. Okay, we are back

(01:06:12):
for a final segment or chapter. As we've been discussing
whether chapters and books should have titles, and John was
talking about line drawings to kind of give you a
right absolutely the epilogue a Quinn Martin production, think fugitive
back in the day.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
I think I asked you guys before, and you said
you like the line drawings, Like, yeah, I don't, wind
I like them.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
So it's like radio right, theater the mind. How many
people did you grow up listening to a jock on
the air, and the first time you saw him, you went, WHOA,
that does not look like anything I thought you would. Well,
that's yeah, look like that. You sound different than you look.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
And younger people tell me no, I like the drawings
because it gives me an idea of what they look like.
So I don't know if it's an age thing or
any know what.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Everyone's different. Just go with your gut, do what you
want to do. Somebody told me you're trying to please everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
You be you, John?

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
You do you?

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
You do you what?

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
To take a line from Ricky Nelson's Garden Party, right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
Oh yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. I don't
know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Go ahead, John, tell them what this. You know you
can't please If you know, you can't please everyone, so
please yourself. To paraphrase, it's true.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Yeah, I think it's you can't please everyone, so you
got to please.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
To please yourself. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
Do you think John, that We've had a very mild
summer here in southern California.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
Until the last month, But even then, I mean, what
do you think.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
August was hot? Okay, we had some in Fallbrook. Okay,
we had some hundred degree days near hundred, you know,
maybe nine hundred something like that. But so far compared
to other years, I would say generally mild.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Yeah, generally, I agree. A few days slipped in there,
but generally. Now look at this morning here, it's already
closing in on what nine thirty our time Pacific time.
Still a bit chilly for the most part, not bad.
You can work through what s Leeds's tiger is.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
You know, back at the beginning of the broadcast, when
we were discussing how there was a I think I
mentioned there was a ten percent chance of rain today
down to two percent now, John, Yeah, Tanya. Tanya said
she was told that when you look on your phone
and you see ten percent, that doesn't mean a ten

(01:08:36):
percent chance of rain, but it means that the area
you're in, ten percent of that area will get rain.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
Yeah, that's what I've heard too.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Really, here's the problem. You don't know which ten percent
they're referring to.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
Yeah, And that's the thing, right, Like, for instance, when
they get they say San Diego is going to get
ten percent chance of rain, Well, are they talking San
Diego County. Are they talking about the city of San Diego?

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
You know that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Yeah, to me, that sounds like you're hedging your bets.
You know, why even put a percentage? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
I think I think because you know, I mean, it's
all a guess. You know, it's all a guess right now.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
That it won't rain.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
Have you ever have you ever seen have you ever
seen when they show the hurricane model on the screen
where they say, Okay, we ran it through all these
hurricanes models.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Are these women these models?

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
No, you know, but you know they say that we
ran we ran this hurricane through all these models. You
show I don't know, maybe you know thirty lines on
the screen of where this hurricane is going to go,
and you've got a path that it's very likely to go.

(01:09:53):
But then you always see this little little outlier, this
little outlier line just straggling off there or here, and
you're like, well, but what about what about that line
over there that's going straight over.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Whatever? You know? And they're like, well, there's a chance.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
The attention to the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Actually we have some hurricanes building right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Now, we do. They were just commenting on the what
because we're getting into the season.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
In the season, it's hurricane season.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
Remember remember when we had all those you know, listeners
and the growers in Florida that got hit, you know, Tatiana, Yeah,
real bad and her nursery guy in Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Any new names for these hurricanes now, you know, creative names.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Creative They just recycle them, right they I guess they
have to.

Speaker 5 (01:10:37):
Do.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
You know. Do you know up until what John, how
many years ago, hurricanes always had female names, right, and
then they then they changed it. So those are hymmocanes,
right exactly. Yeah, they were called hurricanes for a reason.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
Now undercane unless you're in in Asia, then they're called typhoons.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Typhoons and cycling. Well a cycle, okay, cyclone is what
Wizard of Oz Canado, it's tornado. But you're right, that's
in tornadoes. Typhoons are typhoons.

Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
Yeah, hurricanes out of the Atlantic, right of the not
at the Atlantic, Pacific Pacific.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Yeah, yes, boy, typhoon just sounds more dangerous. Just a typhoon.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
It sounds rich to me, doesn't a typhoon it's got
a lot of money. He's a big typhoon.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Yeah, the typhoons that yet.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
Oh, it's either the people don't like drawings, are not
are not being vocal.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
So you'll probably go with what the publisher says, we'll
publish your book if you get rid of these drawings.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Yeah, okay, all right done. That's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
And the only reason they say that is because if
they think that people don't like it, they're not going
to buy the book and they're going to lose money.
It's not that they're laughting your best interest, right.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Right, Yeah, there's a lot of research that goes.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
You got a couple of a couple of minutes searchers
to keep you on track.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
And what are we going to do next week?

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
I we're gonna move up halfway back, halfway back.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
We were moving down there.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
Yeah, we gotta I gotta figure some stuff out for
sure this week.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Right, You've got to see if everything meshes.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
Exactly, So meshes meshing basically, these are call them boosters.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Yeah, exactly, exactly exactly what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
It's a mesh system that you have a base and
then you can carry.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
It like it's like it's like cell towers.

Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
Yeah, but you the farther you get, you the more
risk you run of having it be a weaker.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
So we're probably right on the on the precipice of
that weakness which you refer to.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
John wanted me to use the word precipice today.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
So yeah, that was the that was the way challenge
were to the end of the show. That challenge.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
We have to wrap things up here, got about a
minute to goo. So hey, other than an unexpected halftime
uh today, Yeah, send me your.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Pictures by the way, you know, everybody said they appreciated
seeing the ones we put in.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
The the humming brend up the tree. Yeah, lady x
and then yours John.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Right, But the reason that we did that is because
I had no pictures last week for the first time
in fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
John at Gardinamerica dot com. Send your pictures please. Hey,
that's gonna do it. Thank you so much, Tiger. Thank
you again for being a great host in your backyard.
That we'll do it again next week. So until then,
have a great rest of your weekend, enjoy your week,
and let's hope that the floods and the water doesn't
rise too high and we all stay dry. Take care.
This has been garden America. I'm Brian Maine. John Begnescar, Tiger,

(01:13:30):
Pella Fox. We are back again next week. Right here,
Tiger's backyard on Garden America. Take care,

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