Preparing For Gardening Adventures in Costa Rica - Garden America Podcasts & Radio Show [4.20.24] - Garden America - Gardening Podcast & Talk Radio Show

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Well, well, well, herewe are once again. It is good
to see you there. I'm BrianMaine, John Begnascar, Tiger Pella Fox.
Yes, indeed you came to theright place. You came to Garden
America. That's who we are.We've been growing for so many years now,
about twenty five thirty years here.Well, let's see as Garden America.
About fifteen years before that, itwas a garden compass compass and then
over the hedge, and then alot of things. But we are guarding

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America right now, aren't we,John, we are Okay, I think
I got that right over the hedge, Garden America. You need to go
to bed early tonight because you gotto get up early tomorrow. Gosh,
I know so much on my mind. Yeah, I got it. I
usually would pack in the morning,but we got to get up so early.
I think it's all calm cool.Collected were my festive shirt today,
And he said, if we wereleads on the outside in ten minutes,

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I just go home right now.I'd be ready to go. I packed
yesterday, but I knew I'm goingto undo everything and make sure that I
packed what I wanted to pack.So if I open up your suit case.
Is everything neatly folded in there andpackaged all appropriately in certain pockets and
stuff like that? Or you thekind of guy that just threw it all
in the suitcase and you're good togo. It's ninety five percent everything where

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it should be, neat and readyto go. Okay, there's a little
still surprise me. Does it surpriseyou? It does not? I expect
him. Yeah, no, everythingright? Yeah, that you know,
the TV monitor out there, thecomputer? Yeah, when you walk here.
Yeah, if it's a little bitas you fix it, I fix
it. Yeah, I believe it. Yeah. There was one guy worse
than me. He used to workhere. I went to his house one

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time for a party. I wentinto his garage. The tools, everything
was exactly Oh I mean did hedid? He outline it on the wall
so he knew where to put thetool back. I said, you know
what, you've got me beaten.I thought I was bad being what do
you call that job? Thank youvery much. Yeah, so I have

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a lot of that in me.Everything has a place. Yeah, I
can't have a little of that,and my things are different. You know.
I showed you how I could drinkonly drink a cup of coffee.
Everything lined up. Yeah, yeah, no, I get it. Travel
Traveling brings this that brings it outin people the most. I feel like,
you know, when people are likeO. C. D. Planning,

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they have their itinerary, they havepapers planted out, they have backup
copies of this and that. They'veyou know, going to show up to
the airport four hours early, youknow, all that stuff. But then
at the same time not quit.You know. The people that are not
like that and lax, you know, they get they go through life very
lax of days ago. They willshow up to the airport, miss their

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flight, not package certain things,and they just kind of go through it.
Like so, I feel like travelingis makes everything more extreme. It's
in those ways. Here's what I'llfeel better when that big bag that we're
taking we got two carry ons.When that big bag is checked and I'm
I know it's going to San Jose, Costa Rica and we have an hour

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and a half to sit around,I'll be good. See. I'm listening
to this book right now. Ican't remember who it's by, but it's
like, uh, it's something aboutfour thousand weeks and if you do the
math the average person lives for fourthousand weeks. And they bring up this
topic of traveling and how when youget to you there's all this anxiety,
all this rush to get to theairport. Well, then when you get

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to the airport, it's now transferredinto getting on your plane, and then
it's will your plane arrive on top, yes, and then it's getting to
the hotel. It's like, sohe's explaining, like you you never relax,
you know, because there's always thenext thing. Well, here's another
another thing to add on, addon to what you just said. You
have a connection to make yeah,this way, and you're saying it there's
always you get to one point,but then you stress about the next one.

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You need to not worry about it, like he has a whole thing.
But but you're right about so aconnecting flight, say you land at
four o'clock and your connecting flight leavesat four forty five. That's cutting it
very close. I think we havewhat two or three hours in Houston,
correct, So we should be fine. And it's about the same distance both
ways, about three hours in changefrom here to Houston and Houston to Costa
Rica. If you did a lotof traveling east, would you lose one

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of those weeks eventually? Yeah,because you'd be going over the international dateline
here as soon as you did that, it would be tomorrow, right,
And did that seven times, you'dlose a week, a couple weeks.
So now you're at nine. Yeah, Hey, we need to you know
what, we need to see moreof you in the next shot there.
Oh, yeah, we're going tofix that camera more of tiger. There

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we go, scooch over, you'rescooching over. We'll fix that during the
break. Now, the very firstthing we're doing is going to a coffee
plantation, right Yeah, isn't thatexciting to kind of see to get some
caffeine in us right off? Youknow what's what's And I've been doing my
research, so I have like littlesnippets of information I plan to share kind
of every day for people that aregoing on our trip about Costa Rica and

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what we're going to be seeing andthings. And it's kind of neat the
history of the coffee there in CostaRica because you know, we know that
you know, it's not native youknow, from the standpoint of you know,
coffee or anything, it's an importedcrop, and you know, it's
it's funny to see how life takesthings. You know, when I was
in Hawaiian the pineapple plantations, right, you know, just how did this

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happen? How did this come aboutthat somebody was like, let's go pineapples
here? Did you know? Oneof the rarest plants in Costa Rica is
in the coffee family and it hasActually I think it's in next week's newsletter.
I don't know if I did twonewsletters at once, so I don't
know which one I put it in. But it has kind of a trumpet

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shaped flower, similar to to maybean angel's trumpet, but smaller white,
and they kind of hang down likethat big like the angel, like a
Brougmancia flowers like maybe half that size. Yeah wow, and it's pretty spectacular.
I don't know if we'll see oneone it's a shrub, yeah yeah,
maybe a small tree like a coffee. It sounds like we've got a

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tour guide, and it sounds likeTiger's the other tour guide. Oh,
Tiger's been there twice, dozens oftimes twice, but enough to know.
But you will be doing things thistime around that you may not have necessarily
done before. Right, I've neverdone a coffee plantation tour. I have
not been to the Cloud forest yet. Have you done both sides of the

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country. I've only done the oneside, okay, So and trying to
think of what else I have notdone. You did the the west coast
side of the country, correct,Yeah, okay, so where we end
up, I've done that before.But San Jose's on the other side,
correct. And I have flown intoSan Jose, but I did not spend
I we flew in at night andthen we left the next morning, so

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I have not spent much time orin that area. Michael Dougherty Society,
just giving you an update, Okay, thank you. But yeah, I'm
looking forward to traveling. We havea good We did a little zoom call
with some of our travelers Thursday,and you know, got excited about the

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trip. Talked to the tour guidethat we plan on meeting there, Eduardo,
and Eduardo yes, and so againexcited for you know, hanging out
with him and having him share it. You know, even wherever you're from,
it's fun to do local tour thingsbecause you learn so much. Like
you know, John's lived in Fallbrook, for how many years since nineteen seventy

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eight, and not once have wehad a tour in Fallbrook. Well,
I gave you guys tours. I'mtalking about the whole Garden America tribe,
the people who follow us. Well, no, but I mean, I'm
just saying it's it would. I'msure he learns things still about Fallbrook and
he's lived there for fifty years,and you know, I mean there's still

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things to learn about wherever you're from. And so you know, we're going
to some place where we haven't beenand we're going to learn all kinds of
exciting stuff. It's going to befun. Coasta Rica. We we leave
tomorrow morning, by the way,so it's it's snuck up on us pretty
quickly. I'm gonna have to tomake a concerted effort to calm down while

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I'm there. Yeah, me too, and not think about who's watering the
plants at home and what's We talkedabout this before being on the air this
morning. By the way, thatmessage you gave me. My good buddy
Tim Fory, who I went tojunior high and high school with, passed
along that that message. So thankyou, Tim. You're talking about the
level. Another buddy from high schoolcoming on the trip with us. Oh

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yeah, Kevin Lawrence. Yeah,Kevin Lawrence will be with us. But
you're right about the anxiety level,about just calming down, knowing the things
back home or taken care of.In our case, it's the cats,
the fish, the bird, you'vegot, roses, you got Your wife
is staying back right, Yeah,too much. So she's she's going to
hold down the fort. Yeah,and her mom's coming came into town,

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is going to be with hers asshe's helping run the kids around. And
no anxiety. I think that Janinesaid you can go, but only if
you bring your dad to watch exactlyright, exactly, but you know,
regarding that anxiety and stress while you'rethere, I will say that Costa Rica.
I've traveled to a lot of places, but Costa Rica is one of

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the places that actually when you arethere, it is it's it has this
feeling of calmness. So they havethis staying there called putavilla, which is
translates to pure life. And that'slike their hello, that's their goodbye,
that's their how you're doing it isit's the Hawaii aloha, right, And
so you after you've been there fora day and you just are hanging around.

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People be like, Okay, I'mI'm chill. Is it like sinking
into a huge easy chair. Yes, exactly exactly. There's just you just
talking to people there that are livingthere. They're like, oh, I
don't have to rush. Well whatabout the piranhas and crocodiles. They don't
go to the rivers and those things. So we're looking forward to that.
Really, Yeah, that's that's somethingI'm like, bring it on. We

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had, you know, we weretalking about we've got less than a minute
job ago talking about the newsletter beforewe went, before we started the show,
right, and we've got a coupleof comments about it. So we
come back from the break, maybewe'll write, we'll talk a little bit,
we address questions. By the way, we didn't mention this, but
no guest today. So whatever youwant to talk about Costa Rica, anything
in your garden questions comments right thereon a Facebook page. Those on BIS

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Talk Radio welcome. It is GardenAmerica. The day before we leave to
San Jose, Costa Rica and therest of Costa Rica for that matter,
this upcoming week, Brian Maine,John Begnasco, Tiger, Pela Fox back
after these messages on BIS Talk Radio, and just like that, we are
back from the break. It isGarden America. What's on your mind?
We are talking about a little bitof everything today, Tiger myself, Brian

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John John, get back to yourconversation we had before the break. Yeah,
let me do the quote of theweek first, perfect, Okay.
It's from Aldo Leopold and we've hadquotes from him before. He was an
ecologist, the environmental Leopold Alda washis first name. Well, Ali,
go ahead. Uh. He saidthat there are some who can live without

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wild things and some who cannot.For those of us in the minority,
the opportunity to see geese is moreimportant than television, and the chance to
find a pask flower is a isa right as inalienable as free speech,
inalienable like those rights, right,Yeah, inalienable rights, in alienable rights,

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Oleopold Old Old Leo Hey, speakingof my buddy from high school,
Kevin Lauren says, we're at theairport now, going to Costa Rica a
day early. Yeah, right todo it. I think several people are
doing that, right, yeah,I think so, Just to get acclimated.
Yeah, I think, uh,I think uh. A couple of

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people went two or three days early. So let's see if I can find
okay people talking about the newsletter.Oh yeah, do I need to back
up for the comments on the Facebook? Scroll back up to follow along.
It doesn't matter, It doesn't reallymatter. Veronica in Spring Valley mentioned she

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liked the article on red buds,and I don't know if you guys had
a chance to read it, butthere's been a lot of breeding work done
in redbud trees. Now. Youdon't think usually you think of breeding with
roses or annuals or small plants.You don't think people really creating new varieties
of trees that often. But alot of work has been done with red

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buds, changing leaf colors. Flowercolors are usually pretty much the same,
though there are some with white flowers. But where Tiger did landscaping along my
driveway, we put a couple redbuds at the top. And there's one
called Rising Sun which is leafing outright now, and it's got the sharp

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truce kind of yell leaves which arereally pretty with that dark backdrop in the
shade. There's one called Flame Festivalthat has I'm sorry, flame thrower throw
I was gonna say, yeah,not bad, yeah, but flame Thrower
And it's got autumn colored leaves allyear long except in the winter when it

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doesn't have any and just I meanit's got the autumn color red, orange,
yellow, like all on one.Like you would think that, oh,
that happens only in the fall orsomething, because like liquid ambers are
maples, they have the trees andthen they're like, oh, the fall
colors because it happens in the fall. No, that's the way the tree
grows. I think that's year round. You in the middle of spring,

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in summer you see it all thecolor. You know, it's kind of
cool. I think with liquid Amberthat wasn't breeding, right, was Those
were probably selections as far as thedifferent varieties. Yeah, yeah, there's
what three three major ones festival,which that tree has all the colors,
and then there's Palo Alto, whichI think is just yellow and green the

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leaves like they just go yellow,green and then yellow. They don't do
the red or the orange. Andthen there's a burgundy one which goes green
to red and then off. Soyeah, it's as far as the breeding
goes that the liquid ambers change colors, but the only liquid amber I recommend
for anybody to plant is one calledRotundloba. And it's because it doesn't have

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those spiky balls, which if youstep on, are worse than stepping on
a lego. That just sounds likegood advice. It sounds like a loose,
loose situation, stepping on a lego. And yeah, since you mentioned
legos. We had our rose auctionlast week, let's do a little recap.

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John do tell. I'd have tothink about it, but anyway,
it was. It was a goodauction. We sold. This is twenty
four years we've done this auction andwe've always sold out, never had a
I shouldn't say never had a roseleftover. One time we had one rose

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leftover and the rose was climbing frendshim. And I remember because it was donated
by Greg Lowry from Vintage Gardens.And now that I look back on it,
I see he was joking because hewhen he put it in the auction,
he said, that's going to bringyou more money than any other rows
in the auction. It's the onlyone we had that never sold. Oh

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my god. But after the auctionGreg came over on Monday. We had
a few people over and he broughtsome of the roses that we had collected
in Europe. And how they gothere, I don't know. We won't

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ask that question. This is fromyour previous summer tour, yeah, last
year. Yeah, yeah, AndI was really excited that he brought me
a dozen of them, and there'sa few more that he said are rooted,
but they're really small. So wehave a one rose that's native to
Sweden and I shouldn't say native,but it was bred and Sweden grows in

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Sweden, and a couple other floorabundasthat I'm really excited about. So all
this was leading up to a statementI was going to make which I've forgotten.
In twenty four years of the auction, You've always sold out, except
well, you were asking how theauction went, so I was telling you
it went well, okay, good. There was something else, but I

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can't think of it. Anita Clevengergave a talk on rambling roses and never
once mentioned Nat king Cole. Wellyou read. You're such a mind reader,
you know, even though you haveyour glasses on, I could see
it in your eyes. So butanyway, Anne Bellevich collected more rambling roses

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than anyone in the world. Andshe did this when she was like sixty
nine or seventy. Prior to that, she was a sailor, bought a
sailboat, sailed bought one in Australia, sailed it back to the US.
It was actually she did it withher husband. She sailed it from Australia

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to Hawaii and then he took itfrom Hawaii to the US, which I
guess was the easy part, right. Yeah, she was an amazing woman.
And it just goes to show thateven in your old age, you
can start a new career. Sofor the lay person, what what is
a rambling rose? What differentiates thatfrom other rows? Rambling rose is a
climbing rose, okay, But forthe most part, they only bloomed once,

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like in the spring. I don'tmean once in their life, but
once. Yeah. It's not likea century plan no no, no,
so so they usually bloomed just inthe spring. But it's masses of color
when when it blooms, and it'lllast a long time, you know,
maybe maybe a month, six weekssomething like that. And are the flowers

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smaller usually on the rambling yeah,huge clusters, right, so like you
usually have smaller flowers, but massesof them, where like a climbing rose
could have like a hybrid t styleflower on it. Well, there are
hybrid t climbers, that's what I'msaying that you know, so you asked
the difference between a rambler would neverhave like a hybrid t flower on it.

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Speaking of that, anybody have anyrose blooms? Yeah, of course,
lemon spice and the rose that yougave us a couple of weeks ago,
the one that was in the pot, it's already blooming. Did you
no that one? No? Ihave a question about what was some things
blooming? Yet? My question isI don't remember giving you a rose.
You divided a rose and you gavehim one and you gave me one.

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I believe that, but unless Iknow the name, I can't put it
together. So my question is this, what kind of soil did you put
in there? Why it doesn't looklike good soil. It's starting to separate
from the side of the pot,and it's a lighter, lighter color soil
nearly he uses like happy for all. Well, that's I know. If
it was one I divided, though, it would have had a real heavy

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soil because those were the roses wepicked up it. Remember when drove your
truck up to the Yeah, yeah, and they used I don't know what
kind of soil it was. It'snot something we're used to, I can
tell. Remember he said to makesure to keep it damp too, because
he had just divided and it driesout quickly. Yeah, exactly, even

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after all those rains we had.But it's okay, Yeah, it looks
good. Yeah, I just noticedthe soil. Why can't I remember he
didn't fill up the pot. Itwas only like half fools. I said,
there's nothing happy about this soil.But no, it's still looks good.
Yeah, so yeah, things arestarting to bloom. We have to
take a break. I'm about aminute over. How about that. We'll

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take a break for our friends onBistok Radio. This is Garden America.
Okay, back from the break hereon Garden America. The day before we
leave for Costa Rica. Good tohave you along, some of our friends,
colleagues, some of our listeners andviewers already on their way or at
the airport. We leave tomorrow.Pick up time six thirty five thirty for
John, I thought we were takinga break, Tiger is where was I?
Six thirty? You were trying todecide what kind of soil that you

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gave me. Carla from Huntington Beachsays she had so much fun at the
auction. Brian, Hey, sheshe didn't need roses. She said,
she got two lovely roses. Doesit? Didn't aid them though? No,
but she did name. She saidwhen the bidding was over, she
saw Odyssey and she said she wouldhave put all of her bids on it.

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Oh really, she says, CanI buy that rose anywhere? No?
Yeah, that's the booty. Whatwas the high curl? The high
cellar? The high was three hundredand twenty dollars in which rose Princess Chichibu.
I feel like I've seen that onebefore. It's been in the auction
before and now, yeah, it'sbeen in the auction, been in the

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auction three times, okay, andthe same woman who bought it the two
previous times. Please don't tell meshe bought it. She bid up to
three hundred dollars on it, butsomeone over bidder, so she didn't get
a woman in Virginia, but shestill has them. I don't know,

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did you kill them? Yeah?Wantplace? Or do you like it so
much that you wanted more? Yeah? I remember that it's a beautiful rose.
It really is nice. It reallyremember when the Abraca dabra went for
three three fifty and what's the otherone, Jim Salabam, Jim Salabim.
You know those were big about fouror five six years ago? No?
No, no, no, no, twenty years ago. Yeah, no,

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back of your planet. Yeah.How can you forget two weeks ago
about the roses that you gave Tigerand I you get twenty years ago,
You're like, oh, no,twenty years ago. It's seven o'clock at
night when we Oh, it's Iknow, it's the short term memory,
yeah, versus long term memory,exactly, one of the one of the
first things to go anyway, though. But you are correct that it just

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depends on each year what's hot,what's selling, and what people want.
It's funny that you find demand,I mean not funny. We we we
had the rose auction last week,so it's kind of expected. But I've
been doing the deep dives for CostaRica and I was learning that the Costa
Rican national flower is an orchid.It's a very beautiful purple orchid. Did

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we go into an orchid plantation oruh? There we are going to an
orchid garden in the cloud forest.Yes, but is that the one with
butterflies? Or are same same one? I believe? And but do you
know what the national flower of theUnited States? Rose? It is the

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rose. Yeah. There's some debatefor people who like to mince words.
Oh why because they said it's notthe national flower, it's the national floral
emblem. Oh, what's what wouldbe the difference to me? None?
Do you know who signed? Doyou know who signed the proclamation to make

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it the the national flower? Roosevelt? Who's the game? Ronald Regan?
Was it? Really? Yeah?Ronald Reagan did it up until and there
was nothing. I thought it wasway before that. Do you remember Senator
Everett Dirkson? Absolutely? Okay,he battled for many years to make the
marigold the national flower. Marigold.Yeah, so it's like a battle between

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the rose and the marigold. Here'sanother one for you for your history buffs
out there. What is the whatis our national symbol? The eagle?
Right? You know what? Turkey? It was turkey? Benjamin Franklin go
you know what, you can leaveclass early. We're going to give Tiger
a gold star and if you thinkabout it, go to recess. Tiger.
Turkey is way more intense. Haveyou ever met a turkey? You

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do not want to mess with aturkey. You know, it's funny.
There's a some of these So waita second here, if it was a
turkey, if we made that ournational would we be eating bald eagles on
Thanksgiving? Probably? But you're talkingabout speaking of turkeys. There's these sanctuaries
on YouTube, these people that haveall these animals and stuff. Yeah,

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they show how they feed him everyday whatever. And this one show that
we watched, there was a turkeythat just kind of like walks around the
property. He follows the dog,he follows the EMUs. He always has
to know what's going on whatever you'redoing. That turkey is right in your
face, protecting them too, notjust following to a degree, but you
know what, you can pet him. He's very cool. But like it's

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like a dog. It's like,what are you doing? If we have
across the street? Really is that? Have you seen it? Do you?
Oh? Yeah, it walks aroundwith the goats. Yeah, exactly,
Yeah, she kind of hangs outand probably is protecting them too.
If a coyote came near those goats, that turkey would take it out.
Speaking of that, there's another YouTubevideo of shows up did I talking about

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this last week? There's three orfour cameras shows the inside of a barn.
You can see the goats. Ohyeah, the dogs and they've got
these three or four dogs that theyprotect him from coyotes. So, like
at three thirty in the morning,you can see the time on the video.
They hear a coyote, the doggets up, he looks around,
he gets all the goats and shufflesthem into a part of the barn.
They go out. There's four dogsand they all face different directions really to

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protect the livestock. Livestock. Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty cool. Yeah.
And they're big dogs too. Yeahthey would yeah exactly, Yeah,
otherwise that would be for ving justthe way they react and know exactly what
to do and to herd the thelivestock into a certain part of the Yeah.
And uh, yeah, it's prettycool. You know. I was

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just thinking. One of the probablymain reasons I have I'm have some trepidation
about leaving is not only watering.Who's going to do the watering while I'm
gone, but who's going to catchthe gophers? I was going to ask
you. You had mentioned you wereworried about the watering, and you had
these roses that you're worried about shippingout. I was going to ask you
what your count is up to?Now? You were I think sixteen thirty

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four last week. Two weeks.I think I was, well, maybe
two weeks ago, but I meantthirty four. Now what? Yeah,
you know what I'm anxious for you. I think I'm going to start skinning
them and like having their heart.I told you I put them on the
altar, and it's usually a hawkthat gets them. Yeah, the hawks
come down and feed on them,or if it's too late in the day,

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the coyotes get them the gate.Because sure, our anxieties together,
because you've got me all anxious nowfor you. You know what about Diane's
in Society Tiger. She's up inRedding, Okay, in the Redding area,
and she's got a horseshoe shaped irisbed and she wants to plant some

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perennials for after the iris are doneblooming. Do you have any suggestions of
what would grow well around iris roots, because you know the iris have those
underground corns. Yeah, and they'revery and they're very dense. Ye,
nothing grows in those rhizomes. Theyhave to grow around them. And she

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wants like perennial flowers. She wantsthings that would bloom after after Yeah,
a wind. Do irises bloom inreading may? Yeah? It depends.
They have different varieties, just likeday lilies. Huh. And I would
put day lilies in there, butiris are kind of drought tolerant, so

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you want to probably put some thingsin there that are going to be drought
tolerant and not because too much wateron iris prevents them from blooming, right,
So you want things that are beingkind of adult drought tolerant. One
of the things I think would fillin there real good is that plant you
planted at my house. I forgetthe name of. It's got the yellow

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flowers. Oh, the Texas sundropsKey office. That's a yeah, Kelly
off sun drops. That's a goodone. Pennace to Marguerite to bop,
oh great, and Penstemen say thatagain. That just kind of rolled off
your tone. Penstmen margaritea bop becauseit's a native penstemen really pur pull pretty

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pink flower. But bop is thedance of Costa Rica, isn't it?
Do you have I have you?Do you remember I've talked about this plant.
Do you know why it's called margueritea bop? Did I? Do
you remember? That? Not ringinga bell? So it's a native penstemen
that was found here in not reallynative, well, it was found.
It was found here in southern California. And the reason why it's called marguerite

(29:00):
to bop BOB stands for back ofthe porch, and it was found on
the back of the porch of awoman named Marguerite. Okay, yeah,
the porch thing bring yeah yeah.And the reason it got introduced is because
her kids would throw their bikes thereand and it survived all kinds of abuse.

(29:21):
And I've got one right now comingin a full bloom. And it's
just once it's established, but likeyou say, it's one spot, it
sweeps out, so like you're sayingwith the irises, it would not need
to fill in with the rhizomes andthe roots. And it's low water and
the sun drops low water and thesun drops. I was thinking, though,
they're in bloom all summer, right, Yeah, they're just coming into

(29:42):
bloom right now. How's your PeggyMartin doing great? Yeah? I mean
we've got that construction happening. It'swrapping up, but I mean all the
neglect, it's it's thriving without anycare. I would I'm almost scared what
would happen to it if I tookcare? If you started to pay attention

(30:03):
to us now, it might takeover a canyon? Okay, So is
it because I was at your houseabout a month ago, Yes, I
know exactly where your construction is.Yeah, back toward that. Yes,
so it's real close to the deskand the dirt and all that. Oh,
it's I mean it's been having concretethrown on it, and it's been
hit and you know, we haven'thad water to it for six months.
Yeah, it'd be it would bevery worrisome if that plant was somewhere where

(30:27):
it actually was taken care of.We're going to take a break on that
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(30:49):
top of the hour Facebook Live.There is no news. There's just us
and your comments and your questions andother tidbits of information. John, when
you're done with your a you doyou want a plant that will take over
the canyon? A rose take overthe Yeah, because I I I need

(31:11):
to find a place for this one. Which one is it? It's called
Cooper's Bermese. That's a name I'veheard. I've heard that name. You
mentioned. What's the what's the colorof the flower? White? White,
white star shape? About that big? So about what six inches? Yeah,
I have a I do have aspot for it. Yes, it
won't be as big as the rosewe saw in England. White flower.

(31:37):
We used to talk kif cake,kiff kiffs right, Yeah, not as
big as kiffs cake. But theflowers are big. That's cool. Do
people ever turned down like I wantto have a rose I want to give
you or a plant, or whosays no to any free plant? Or
well, some you just don't haveroom for true, right right, I

(32:00):
like room for anything. And Danawould echo, echo exactly. I think
Dana would say, no taking stuffout of the dumpster, perfectly good plant
who threw this away? The weatherwhile we're in Costa Rica, warm,

(32:20):
rainy, beautiful, right, we'reI mean not too bad, not too
hot. No, And I wastalking because because it did show rain.
But it's kind of one of thosethings where it comes in, rains goes
away, So it will interrupt yourday if it's at the wrong time,
but it won't be for very longusually, and a lot of times it'll
just be morning or night. Butit helps break up the heat when that

(32:45):
does happen, which is kind ofnice. What shoes are you bringing.
I'm bringing a pair of like whatI would consider like hiking boots, hiking
boots, and a pair of athleticshoes and sandals. You don't wear sandals?
I don't know, know some peopledon't wear it. Yeah, I
mean I do. I've just didn'tthink about bringing sandals there. Yeah,
I was going to bring these shoesand flip flaps. That's kind of like

(33:07):
I'm in the same boat as you. And he's got like a wear he's
got like a pair of hiking slashathletic shoes. You're not going to bring
your wing tips? No, youknow, I made a mistake. Okay.
We went to We went to Cancunas a family a few years back
and we stated at a very nice, all inclusive resort. And this was

(33:29):
with my family, my sister's familyand my parents. Oh my gosh,
okay, and one night we wantedto go to a nice dinner and we're
in Cancun. I packed board shorts, shorts. I did pack a collared
shirt kind of like what I'm wearingnow. And we showed up to this
place to eat and they're like,you don't have pants on. You can't
you can't come in. And Iwas like, what really? I mean?

(33:50):
I had shoes, I had shorts. I looked nice, breezy.
You didn't know you didn't have pantson, had shorts. And and then
we looked at me and they're like, you didn't bring up their pants because
everybody else had pants. And Iwas like, no, it's hot here.
I did not plan on wearing pants. So I now I everywhere I
travel, I have I forced myselfto bring a pair of pants in case

(34:12):
I ever needing pants and shorts,bring I'm bringing it. I'm bringing one
pair. I was just gonna bringa pair of jeans. Yeah, I
mean that's all I need. Youwould not have gotten into the restaurant that
I wanted to go, is Imay thin out what I've already packed.
This is good. The one thingI will say, though, is like
I say with the rain, isthat you and it doesn't dry real well.

(34:35):
They do have laundry service at alot of the places that we are
staying at, but your clothes canget wet and they don't dry out.
Okay, so maybe not a badidea of a few pairs I'm too shorts,
a few pair of pants. Dowe need umbrellas? Like I say,
you know what, can't they supplythat down there? Well? No,
like it's it's it's not really likea you're like you don't see under

(34:58):
They just kind of get They justkind of a out there. They hide
under a tree or an awning fora minute and then they move on.
It's not really it's not really likean umbrella place the way I look at
it. Whatever you forget or don'tbring by it it's true. It's not
like we're going to some least thatdoesn't happen. We're not going to the
most isolated island in the world.Gotta be prepared though. No, Okay,

(35:24):
I think I'm going to add sandals. I get flip flops. I
got some more p flip flops.Oh, you know, it's kind of
interesting too. And this is notinvolving plants at all. But are one
of our organizers Jonathan mentioned they don'ttake Discover card you know what I mean?
Not that, but it isn't thatjust kind of like a random tidbit
like VI's a master card. Butno discuss there's a lot of jokes about

(35:45):
the Discover card. I don't know, why do you have one? I
don't have one. I don't haveone. They in Europe, a lot
of places we went would not takeDiscover cards either. Yeah, and they
said that American Express only in fiftypercent of the place. Yeah. Well,
you got your bank card, whichis a debit card slash credit card.
One of the things they did tellus Brian is to uh, there's

(36:07):
at ms everywhere, but whenever theysay do you want the bank's exchange rate
or national one or something, oryou're yeah, your credit card rate.
Always deny the bank the bank rate, the credit card rate. Yeah,
well it'll say it's the bank whereyou're using the right, do you want
your bank's rate, not whatever onethey're creating, and that it actually asked

(36:30):
that on the ATM. Right.Now, here's something else I did.
I called my bank and let himknow I'm going to be in Costa Rica.
Yeah, so I can use thecard. That just reminded me.
I forgot to tell the mail notto come. I think you can do
that online though, yes, right, but but yeah, the bank says,
yeah, you would have been declined. Yeah really yeah, because what's

(36:50):
this all of a sudden, youknow, an exchange or something happening in
Costa Rica. So she goes,no, you did the right thing.
And then I got an email thatsaid, okay, we know you're going
to be in cos Rica. You'refree to use your card. You're free
to leave the country. Yeah,don't come back. We are we caught
up on the gardening question. Youknow, I don't even looked. I

(37:12):
hope everybody is. Yeah, andthank you for those hanging in there listening
to our stories. Here. Oh, I was going to tell you that.
At the at the Rose auction,Carla brought us some plants, and
I just I didn't give you anyI just planted them all. But she
brought some yellow clivia. Oh whatis that? Man, Mendela's gold?

(37:38):
Is that the yellow clivia? Ithought Mandela's gold was the gold of Paradise,
right, I'm wrong, You're right, you're but anyway, so I
planted those, and she brought aan iris, which for some reason dites
uh. For some reason, shethought I had said to that I wanted

(38:00):
that, just a regular green one. Yeah, oh yeah, you don't
want that. I never would have, but I may have mentioned that that's
one of Shannon's favorite plants since shemade me planet when we lived at her
old house. To go, wehad to put him into the landscape.
So when I brought this, shewas very excited. So thank you,
Carl. And I did plant onthe hill in between or not on the

(38:24):
hill on the side of the drivewayin with the roses. Yeah, they
spread. It is break time againfor News Bistalk Radio News, but we're
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Guarden America. For those on BistalkRadio, we're back at six minutes after

(38:46):
the hour. We are back secondhour of Bistalk Radio, the one long
continuous hour or two here on FacebookLive. Thank you for your comments,
your questions. As we continue alongthe way here, John's got the that
smirk that look on his face.Do share, John Well, Carla replied,
you're welcome, Shannon. I didoffer to throw it away, John

(39:09):
Well. Shannon likes hydrangeas too,though, right, isn't she? Yeah,
those are her favorite flower. Butyeah, she's very specific in what
she likes. Rix and Star Idahosays that he had some proper has some
property in Agnes, Oregon, andhe was exploring the area next to his

(39:29):
property. He found an old cabinfoundation, Uh, just the foundation,
and there were yellow iris growing aroundit. So he collected a few iris
like the ones we talked about before. Could have been like bearded iris or
something. Yeah, because then there'sthe deity which is like yellow. Also
the deityity diity diitiesites that sounds likea Greek goddity is God. No no

(40:00):
I know, but like diaities orsay it again, you're thinking of Archimedes.
Okay, no, diaitiesities. Itjust it just sounds like a Greek
god with es. You're thinking ofthe butterfly by color, it's the Maria
by color correct or diites by colorcorrect thank you? Yes, what I'm

(40:22):
saying. There's a yellow one.All that's not really yellow, is it.
It's got some spots on it.No, it's yellow with the little
like Burduende spots. And then theother one, the other one's yeah,
the white and purple. I havecolor blindness correctness with glasses sunglasses. Hey,
speaking of correcting things, but thisis way off the path, but

(40:45):
I thought it was a very coolvideo. So there's a guy in a
doctor's office I assume it's a doctor'soffice, and he has Parkinson's and he's
shaking obviously, and they got theseelectrodes soocked up to him and something they've
done, and she has a littlelooks like a little what would you call
it, a device in her handwith knobs and buttons, and she goes,

(41:06):
Okay, I'm gonna turn this on, and then she starts dialing it
and he's shaking and all of asudden, he stops shaking, and she
goes, how's that feeling, goes, That's wonderful. He is not shaking
at all. Isn't that what ElonMusk is trying to implant in your brain?
No? I think I love theway you put it. Though he
might have had an implant, plusthe electrodes that were hooked up to him.

(41:30):
I'm thinking. But I mean,all of a sudden, he just
like, well, talk about progress. If they can get that going,
that was amazing. Yeah, anyway, that's yeah, rabbit holes. Yeah,
this shows from ricks yellow irises tostopping people shaking from Parkinson's. Yeah.

(41:51):
Yeah, they are making some amazingand you know, one of the
things actually helping the medical profession isAI. Yes, it's you know,
it can put together and make connectionsthat doctors just don't have time to do
or can't figure out. Nobody's seemedthought of it. So I saw a

(42:12):
video of this woman getting her eyelashesdone. I guess what would be a
I know, what are you watching? All these videos? Things pop up
on YouTube. You'll watch one subjectand it so you'll like this. So
she's laying down and this robot,this robot is like just doing things to
eyelashes, do it whatever, youknow, you know, it's like,
goodness, gracious. I mean there'sno doctor in the room that I know

(42:35):
of, Oh good but yeah,just just weird stuff. Yeah, I
know. That's the thing. Yougo on YouTube, watch one subject matter,
and then it'll say, oh,you watch this, you'll probably like
that. Good goodness. It's likeNetflix. Sounds like the whole point of
that story is, don't ever bein a room alone with a robot.

(42:55):
Was somebody there, but the camerawas focused on her. She had her
eyes closed, and whatever work theydo to your lashes, whether they extend
them, fill them in, whatever, this robot had two different appendages and
it was doing all the work.Oh goodness, gracious. If anybody's listening
to this radio show right now,in not watching it, you got to

(43:20):
watch Brian's little hand gestures to whathe was describing of these little appendages.
Yeah, that's because he used touse sock puppets a lot. I did.
Leonora says that she liked the didyou know feature in the newsletter about
the Walters violet, Oh yeah,which is a rare violet in her dad's

(43:43):
name was Walter, Oh, really, Yeah, it's kind of a low
creeping one. I don't think itgrows in southern California. I think it's
more of a woodsy plant. There'sa lot of really cool you know something
and I think John Clements had mentionedthis before too, but something that I'm

(44:04):
amazed at how how well they bloomand how really nice they are are dianthus.
They're just a lot of different kindsof dianthus out now. Yeah,
I have tall one short ones,fray grant non fray grant. Yea chicken
pox doubles that are more commercial forarmor hot dogs. What kind of kids

(44:29):
love armor hot dogs? Know whatyou're thinking about? John, No,
I don't want to. I don'twant to admit to it. Brian,
and I think a lot. Iplanted one though in my yard, just
recently, a white one with grayfoliage and kind of a spreading one.
But it's a taller one. Ilike them. Like you're saying, there's

(44:52):
really neat diantas. Did you seewhat Dana said, Tiger, Welcome to
my hell. But it's Carla ismentioned. Will somebody please ask a plant
question exactly? Hey, Kevin?Kevin said, great show, so there,
Carla, But but he goes,I don't think that there's anywhere in

(45:14):
the world where roses don't grow,and he's wondering there are no roses native.
I mean, roses do grow allover the world now because people have
moved them, right, not inthe Arctic or the Antargic or the Antarctic,
right, But there are no rosesnative to the southern hemisphere. Really,

(45:36):
Yeah, a great trivia question.Yeah, all roses are native to
the northern hemisphere. Do you remember, speaking of trivia questions, do you
remember, Uh, we used toask a trivia question every show. Every
show we gave a prize or something. Yeah, and do you remember and
usually that what was up to meto come up with the trivia question?

(45:59):
Do you remember the one time Icame up with a trivia question and we
each had a little script that wehad. We had to play a part
and you had to read whoever youwere, you had to read that part.
And I'm trying to think coming backa little bit, Yeah, and

(46:19):
then the trivia question was going tobe who was the one who committed the
murder? Like who done it?And it was a whole story about a
plant hunting expedition in Africa and somebodygets killed and and everybody comes and makes
a statement. I think we hadlike six different parts. Bert Senior was
there. He played a part.And the one scientist on the trip,

(46:46):
they're trying to figure out where wereyou when this person died, And one
scientist said, I had fallen intoa cactus and and you know, and
it took me a while to getout, and that's why it was like
coming back. So I don't knowwhat happened to this guy. So it
turned out that he was the onewho committed the murder because there are no

(47:07):
cactus native to Africa. Oh ohremember that? Yeah, yeah, that's
good. There's no cactus native toAfrica. No true, fat that's it
is true. Yeah, really,yep. I would think that, you
know, being a cactus, youwould see them because dry desert protect themselves.

(47:27):
We are natives there. So there'slots of subs that take that.
But I say, no, cactusare not only native to the New World.
Okay, so you said there areno native roses in the Southern hemisphere,
but people have introduced them. Yeah, well, the well ecuadors in
the Southern hemisphere, right, andthey grow all the florist roses. Is
there a rose called Ecuadorian Delight?I don't know. That's not bad,

(47:55):
not as good as some of theother ones you've come up. But what
did they get me? Nothing?No, but got somebody to a whole
country behind you. You can getit next thing, you know. It
could be the national flower of Ecuador. Great job on the naming, sure,
but the money rights are going togo to somebody else. Huh.
Do you know that? We hadthree speakers on Saturday at the rose auction.

(48:15):
One was Greg Lowry and one ofthe roses he put up there to
show a picture of was son ofa woman, rub it In, rub
it In. On that note,we're going to take a break so I
can cool off a little bit.Anyway. This is Guarden America BIS Talk
Radio, Facebook Live. Stay withus on the eve of Costa Rica.
All right, back from that breakas we continue on Facebook Live, questions

(48:36):
comments, we love it, Wehave more to read on. Veronica says
that her neighbor decided to replace hisfence with a six foot brick wall.
The worker got cement on her fruittrees. Does she need to worry about
it? No? No, worriesVeronica. Yeah, depends. I mean,

(49:00):
it depends on how much people arestill building brick walls. Depends on
you know how much. But Imean, you know a lot of times
during construction they'll get a lot oflike film, like dirty film on plants,
and you can wash it off.Sometimes if you're saying, like little
chunks of cement, we'll get onthe folage chip and fall off. Yeah,

(49:22):
it'll eventually kind of fall off orgrow off, right, And you've
got the increase in alkalinity from thecement, right, But our soils are
alkaline anyway. Yeah, So Imean it's not nice, but I don't
think it's I don't think it's goingto do any damage to the actual plant.
And and what did she say?It was? Which kind of tree?

(49:44):
Cruit? Trees? But it didn'tsay no, because I mean,
just to give her a little bitof information, I have a lime tree
that I've brought. I bought itat our first house and it was in
a pot. And then when wemoved to our next house. I think
it's import and for me to bringits lime tree and it kind of struggled.

(50:05):
Yeah, is that the Bear's line. No, that's Mexican line.
Okay, no bears lin. It'sa bears Mexican lime and salso a key
pie. But so so I broughtit to my house. It struggled for
a minute. It didn't look great. I planted it. I took a
lot of care of it, andthen I accidentally overfilled my pool and it

(50:29):
over watered it. And then Iaccidentally dumped a solution of vinegar and some
salt on one after another accident.This this lime, this lime struggled like
it it I put it through somestuff, have some salts in vinegar.
Yeah, it was. It waslike a solution that was meant to kill

(50:51):
plants, and I put it andso anyways, what I'm getting at though,
is that it's thriving. Now.This was after I kept for I
kept managing it, and now it'sso so try to leach all the chunk
ye citrus. Citrus are very hardy, So if it's a fruit tree,
like a citrus tree, they're actuallyvery very hardy trees, and they can

(51:14):
withstand a lot of damage, wearand tear and all of that. So
if it's a citrus, it shouldbe fine. The property where I built
my new house had been used tobe a grove years ago, right,
so yeah, avocato and I thinka few citrus. Then it was probably

(51:35):
sat vacant for ten years at least, so no water in ten years.
And there was a mire lemon upon top of that hill to the left,
and it looked horrible, you know, because you ten years without water,
you can imagine. Right, Wellit did rain, yeah, but
I mean no irrigation for ten years. And I cut it back and watered

(51:59):
it, fertilized, did in it. It looks like it's been maintained well
for years. It's just super loadedwith lemons. Yeah, except not supposed
to be dormant. So Paula's question, Well, Paula says, you guys
are crazy and fun. Well,if we were crazy, we'd all go
insane. Yeah. Well, andit's also not good to be crazy and

(52:22):
no fun. True. Those kindof people way better funny end up becoming
serial killers. But she said,and you do share some interesting things.
By the way, how do youincrease blooms on an iris? Depends what
kind of iris? Right, Ifit's a bearded iris, like we were
just talking about, too much waterdecreases blooms. So if you want to

(52:47):
increase blooms, you need to makesure that they're not under regular irrigation.
They do need to go Yeah,they do need to go dry during the
summer. I mean after the therange. You can't do anything about that.
Now that leads me to my nextquestion, and you doing landscaping might
run into this. So let's saysomebody has you know, you've planted different
things in their property, right,and you may have something in and amongst

(53:12):
another plant that doesn't need a lotof I know, am i Italian?
What's going on this morning? Usingmy hand? So you've got in and
amongst the plants, some need alot of water, some don't. They
have relegation. Would you say,wait a minute, you can't plant this
plant here because it needs to dryout. It's in the middle of these
other plants that need water. Sothe irrigation's going to be a little bit
iffy on that, correct, Yeah, I mean depending on what kind of

(53:34):
irrigation. If you just have popup sprinklers and they come on and they
run for how very much time andthey soak an area, there's nothing you
can do to control it. Ifyou have drip, you can put maybe
a drip emitter that emits less wateror more water, depending on that.
So it kind of depends on howyou're watering your plants. If you can,
you know, put in a cactusor succulent along with a perennial,

(53:57):
it's a possibility, but it dependson your managing your water. So yeah,
no, you'd want to maybe separatethose, Yeah, you would,
because you can end up overwatering orunderwatering one or the other water all the
time and it's dead. What whatdid I do? John? What was
the What was the product that alot of people said to go with bulbs?

(54:20):
Is it bone meal? You know? You know when they're like,
oh, you tend to plant yourbulbs and to make them grow, they
need to mix bone meal and thebone meal right right? And so is
that something that would help make thembloom as well? Or No? There
would be no reason to use bonemeal for anything in California. There's a

(54:42):
few maybe to make your bread,but that's about it. If you're read
that John mentions here here now andthen I should say, remember there's no
reason to ever jack in the beanstock. I'll grind your bones to make
my bread. No, I donot remember that. Oh, you remember
that, right, I don't rememberthe long five phone. You smell the
blood of an englishman, be aliveor be dead, I'll grind his bones

(55:05):
to make my bread. Oh no, I don't remember that. Don't change
that. In school and the beanstalk, I think it was Shakespeare get frighted
to stuff and think did we answerthe blooming question? Though? Enough?
If it was that type. Ifit was, I think that's the best
blue moore. Yeah, you know, some organic foods mixed in the soil

(55:30):
would help, but I wouldn't usebonemeal because bone meal is first of all,
it takes two to three years beforeit ever gets released into the soil.
The beneficial parts of it, andwhat it has is phosphorus, and
our soils have plenty of phosphorus.Yeah, no amount of phosphorus that plants
actually take out too, you knowyou're saying has plenty of it. And

(55:51):
then you get bone meal makes thesoil more alkaline, and we're already alkaline.
So anyway, Tanya has a question. She said she did not know
that iris need to be dry forblooms. Recently planted dailies next to them.
I'm thinking that that was wrong.Could be right, because yeah,

(56:15):
you watering the dailly more and thenlike we talked about with the irrigation,
Ye, yeah, but dayly don'tneed to be watered and they're not as
drought tolerant as iris, but theydon't need as much water. So you
may be able to get them togrow fine side by side, but it's
probably best not to mix them together. And we've probably got one hundred listeners

(56:38):
out there that have daylily iris bedsthat they're doing really well. Yeah you're
talking about. Hey, we're goingto take a break. We've got a
couple more segments coming up. Nextsegment's a longer one. What of our
longer segments, so those on theFacebook libil we'll try to keep everything,
you know, geared toward gardening.Maybe we'll get off track now and then,
but we'll put ourselves back on thetrack. John, as this train

(57:00):
continues on this weekend Garden America,Bryan Me and John Begnescu or Tyger Pellafox
stayed with us back after these messageson Bistok Radio. We are back.
It is garden America as we continue. Happy weekend to you or happy whatever
day it is when you are listeningto this show via many ways to listen
to Garden America. These days,we're all caught up John for the most

(57:20):
part. Oh, I see,we've got a new one, don't you.
Yeah. John says his neighbor isplanting a hedge between their homes and
for privacy, and he's planning onChinese pine, which I've never heard Chinese.
Yeah, I never heard that term. But pine, no a carpas.
Yeah, yeah, okay, I'veheard you pine. I never heard

(57:42):
Chinese pine. Yeah, okay.The gardener says that Eugenia or sweet Bay
would be better. What's our opinion? Not Eugenia, right, I mean
they still have the sol it problemor not? Yeah? Yeah, I
mean yeah, the Eugenia I donot like very much. In general.
It's not a great looking hedge,and they get sillid, and you know,

(58:04):
they're very messy. The potocarpus differentvarieties, you know, I mean,
they're they're good. There's some thatare better than others. But and
then the what was the other onethat they mentioned, the sweet bay?
Sweet Bay? Sweet Bay? Tryingto think of what that is is,
Well, bay would be laurs,yeah, which I do not recommend as

(58:28):
a hedge, right, so sweetbay, but potocarpus. You have potocarpus
at your house, and there's thereare a lot of different kinds. Like
you're saying, so gracilli or sometimesthey use that, but doesn't that get
to be too huge? Yeah?I mean I love gracilia, very beautiful,
clean looking. But if you wanteda twenty foot hedge, you'd be

(58:52):
perfect. But if you want aneight foot hedge, you don't want to
constantly keep trimming that. Now,what did you put in? Macuy or
macrophilla mac feel a maci macrophill mA k i is like a subspecies of
the macrophill variety which is small,shorter, right, much slower growing but
shorter, which just means though thatI just won't have to top it because

(59:15):
that's the area that I'm in.I would not want to be having to
try to top my head. It'dbe just too crazy, you know.
I like that new variety is also, Yeah, is that a macro facto
type. Yeah, And it's avery slow growing variety as well, which
easy to meet, which is importantbecause it gets to be huge if you
don't over time. But that onedoes get a little bit of the sooty

(59:39):
mold issue in certain environments. ButI mean, as we know, we
can solve that issue with watering andwind wind in sunlight. Can you spell
the name of the thirty foot hedgemac oh gracilior it's Potocarpus g r A
C I oh no I io rI. They're using this sentence, I

(01:00:04):
was graciliurying. I hope that helps. Okay, sweet sweet Bay. Yeah,
he says the hedge needs to beat least thirty feet tall. Oh
wow, that's good. Then usedPutocarpus gracilier. Yeah, sweet bait,
Yeah, okay, yeah, sweetbabe. Is that what they said,
Sweet Bay? Yeah? So yeah, if they're talking about Laura's and nobilitis,

(01:00:25):
I do not recommend that number one. It gets powdery city mold scale
and so many other bugs, andit's gonna be eventually tree like yeah,
so it'll be no leaves at thebottom and all on top. And I
mean it's fast growing and wonderful,but it just gets so many bugs that

(01:00:49):
it's not a fun hedge to have. So I wonder if you could you
could use Putocarpus gracillier or maybe evenPotocarpus Macrophila if just not the dwarf type.
Yeah, either one of those.Either one of those would be fine.
And then there's a few other Potocarpistoo out there varieties, but I
think that Gracilia is probably an easyone to get a hit your hands on,

(01:01:09):
very common. And then Eugenia Yeah, no, I mean especially for
a thirty feet right, Yeah,it's not going to probably hit Yeah,
it'll hit the thirty feet yeah,but it's going to be a huge mess
by the time it gets to bethat tough. Yeah. And then the
thing to remember too when you're creatinga hedge is that you do not top

(01:01:30):
it until you get to the height. So a lot of people will be
like, oh, I want tostart trimming it up and make it look
nice. Let it get you needto let it keep growing, and then
when it gets to like then youtop it, because then it fills out
the bottom. But if you topit early, it'll grow, it'll it'll
slow it down, and so thenyou'll be you know, you'll you'll have
it struggling to get to. Oppositeof what a lot of people think,

(01:01:51):
well, if you keep cutting it, it'll encourage growth, right, And
that's not the case, well,it does encourage just outwards, Yeah,
I get lower growth. I guesspeople think it accelerates the growth correctly,
it doesn't. It encourages the loweroutward growth and the upward vertical growth on
a hedge, which if you wantedto spread you would do that. And

(01:02:12):
the other mistake that people make whatabout I don't know how it does in
San Diego, but what about greengiant arbor fighting? I mean, I
think that that one where where isthis San Diego that they're briefing it.
Yeah, I think the watering onthat one would be way more than the

(01:02:35):
potalcarpus to keep it, you know, actively growing and good. I was
thinking that those do you remember thehedge rows when we were in England,
They were about thirty foot tall andthey seem like a lot of those arbor
fighting right. But I think thatthe issue is that, you know,
we just get so have that suchhot extended dry period that I think you

(01:03:00):
would see better production out of thepotocarpus. But it's a nice hedge like
the greed giant, but I thinkthat you would have trouble getting it to
grow as better as as well asthe Protocarpus But what I was gonna say
though, also is a lot ofpeople make the mistake on planting a hedge
too far or too close together becausethey wanted more instant, Like they want

(01:03:22):
to be like, oh, Iwant to block out this area tomorrow,
And then they plant these large specimenthings right next to each other. And
I mean they'll survive, but theystruggle. So if you can, if
you can give yourself a little bitof time and space things out nicely,
you'll get a better healthier tree hedgedown the road. Because I went to
a house the other day, John, they had fikus knitted a hedge they

(01:03:46):
planted on like two feet apart whatAnd it's, as I can tell,
instant, it's an instant hedge.But I'm looking at this in the space
that they put it in and I'mlike, there's no room. It gonna
like disrupt walls and foundations and it'sgonna choke. They're gonna there's a fight
going on underground right now with thatroot system. Then I'm like, oh

(01:04:10):
my gosh, they're gonna have trunksthat are bigger than two feet right eventually.
And you know what I when wewere in Florida, it surprised me
that how many people used fight asbench of minus a hedge, especially in
Florida, because you there's no shortageof water. Yeah, and that bench
of mina yeah, but I thinkthey just keep edging it and cutting it.

(01:04:31):
But like, oh my gosh,it's so crazy. She's more work
too. Some redwood hedge would benice. I want some privacy, right,
redwood just two feet apart Sequoia's justgrow. When we come back from
Costa Rica, I need you tocome over my house and give me a

(01:04:53):
bit for and tell me what youthink of this idea. Let's have a
little a bit a bid party.We'll get together. Well, my wife
is opposed to this idea, soI want to run it by Tiger and
see if no, no, no. She just didn't like the idea period.
She doesn't care if he does itfor free. But I think it

(01:05:16):
could be that I'm just not explainingit well enough to her. But what
I you know where she wants grassright in the back? Okay, Well,
I'm thinking in back of the housewhere I put in the the Japanese
rose garden. Across from that,I want to make formal rose beds with

(01:05:36):
some walkways in between the beds andthen maybe use some of the beds for
vegetables. Okay, so I canhave formal rose beds or vegetables. I
was thinking, we come in,we take the burm out that's back there
to get the soil we need tofill up, put in those beds,
and then I can move all theroses where the grass is over there,

(01:06:00):
so then you can come in anddo that area. Does that make sense?
Yeah? No, I yeah,I think that makes perfect sense.
And it would look good, right, it would look nice. I think
that your biggest challenge with a vegetablearea is how secure you're going to make
it, you know what I mean? Like critters wise, remember when we
were in England, right and wewent in all those cages. That's what

(01:06:23):
I'm saying. That's what I'm saying, Like you're you're that whole area would
be caged. You We're not goingto eat to vegetables anyway, So I
don't really care if they did it. It's more for it's more to sell
the idea, and then after thevegetables fail after a couple of years,
I can plant it with more roadsexactly. And there's a few things we
probably would grow, you know,tomatoes and yeah, but I mean it's

(01:06:44):
not a lot. Let's be real, like, how many tomatoes are going
to get in that area if youdon't secure it? Because I understand what
you're saying. No, So soif you were to invest in a hole,
fence and all of that in thatarea, I think that would be

(01:07:05):
smart and good and you'd be verysuccessful. But if you don't want to
berries, it might put berries inso you can feed all the birds.
It is break time. We've gotone more segment coming up, both on
Facebook by the little sarcastic. Thesarcasm seeps through the show. This morning

(01:07:25):
John said, whoops, not Chinesepine, but fern pine. So fern
pine is Potocarpus gracillier. All right, back after these messages on bistalk.
Ready, but again one more segmentsstay with us. All right, we've
returned. Here we are this isit wrapping it up boys, fast,
very fast show. And then whenI get home, it's more preparation.
Are you going to sleep tonight?Oh? Yeah, what time are you

(01:07:45):
going to bed? You always goto bed early nine o'clock. I went
to bed at four eleven thirty lastnight and I thought this is way too
late. So I've what I've learnedearlier, what I've learned from this show
is I'm going to take a fewthings out of my carry on. Yeah,
fanny packs. Are you bringing afanny pack? That's a little personal,

(01:08:08):
but well that's something you need,right, Yes, I'm bringing Yes.
They said, do not put yourwallet in your back pocket and never
take your passport out of your hotelroom. Yep, nope, I've got
one. You go back to theair. I've got the same little thing,
I don't know what you call.It goes around my neck. I
used it in Europe when we wentto Europe. Wallet passport right there.

(01:08:30):
Yeah, never don't put your walletin your back pocket at all. But
I'm gonna I'm going to go backand take a few things out of my
carry on. Add a couple ofmore things, but not as much as
I'm taking out. And I thinkwe'll be good advice and I'll try to
remember that. I'm not going tobring some things out four back in.
You do not need four pair oftwo pairs two jeans, right, I'm

(01:08:53):
bringing one pair, you're bringing one. I'm bringing one pair of pants,
one pair of shorts I'm bringing hashad enough. She said, it's a
fun show, but she's going outto pull weeds. Good luck, Bronica,
have fun pulling weeds. Leaving theshow to pull weeds. Yeah.
Paula had mentioned earlier that she thoughtPotinia made a good hedge too. Won't
be thirty tall, right, butis the nice edge right, beautiful edge,

(01:09:15):
especially if you let it grow tothe height that it should be,
because then it gets that rich redfoliage of the tips, which is why
you like Potinia. A lot ofpeople keep trimming it and then they're like,
this is a green hedge. Idon't know what you're talking about.
Red tip is the common name forit. Is it really? Yeah?
In Texas, all the nursery addslike thirty years ago for the tips.

(01:09:36):
Yeah, red tips at the ifyou seld red tip at the lowest price,
you would bring people in. That'sfunny. Who's the nursery that grows
a lot of inexpensive landscape plants?Star No, they were out there.
They have a place out and youguys probably by t Y nursery. Yeah,

(01:10:00):
back then they had one year wherethey grew one million five gallon red
top cheese. And they just sentand I would say out of the one
million, probably ninety percent went toTexas and the other ten percent Arizona.
So in Texas it's just Botinia everywhere. Huh it was back then. You

(01:10:21):
know. Tastes change, But Texasis a big state. Yeah, they
got room for it. Yeah,there's still there's still plenty of space to
plant more. Yeah. Are youguys gonna post pictures on Facebook during your
trip? Oh? Yeah, yes, we're gonna have no videos. We're
gonna post pictures and go to yourFacebook page and you upload from your You

(01:10:43):
can send from your phone right toyour Facebook page. I never put anything
on my Facebook page. I'm bringingthe whole kit too, so we can
do a show. We're going totry. Are you going to have the
Kaboodle whole kit? I'm Kaboodle Probablynot a kid though, Tiger springing the
kid. Yeah, we're going totry to do a show on a week
from today. Yeah, because we'regoing to be in a resort right now

(01:11:04):
here. Seems way more optimistic thanI am about doing that show. Really
well, let you know, waymore than I do. When it comes
to textas, do we need WiFi? Like that's all you need for
your place, which was a challengefrom the nursery a few times. Yeah,
when we come back, we're goingto be doing it at sore from
a hotel. Is that what you'reYes, that's what I'm thinking. Hmmm

(01:11:29):
yeah. So who's going to postthe pictures during the trip? You?
I will, We both will.Brian will ran can Ryan posts good pictures.
I could take pictures and I couldsend them to us, text them
tea. Yeah. But on yourphone where it says that little Facebook icon
and it asks you where do youwant to send this picture? To your
Instagram, to your email. Wheneveryou hit Facebook, goes to your page.

(01:11:50):
Boom, there it is. Wejust got him to start logging on.
I know too much information. Yeah, today I was so proud of
myself that I got on all bymyself. Oh yeah, we gotta bring
cookies for him. Yeah, littletreats. We have a little treat jar
for him. What do we callthat? Operate conditioning? John Pavlov dog
right, exactly, operate conditioning.You didn't study you know Pavlov's dog right?

(01:12:16):
Yeah, with you the same thing. When you do it correctly,
you get a cookie. You getwhat's called what operate conditioning. I don't
know if I've ever heard determine myentire life seventy five years. I didn't
go to school just to eat mylunch. Oh, I love lunch at
school. My dad used to say, didn't people eat your lunch though?

(01:12:40):
When you played hockey? Well,you mean as far as getting rough?
Getting rough? Yeah? Maybe?What of My dad used to say,
why don't you use your head forsomething other than a hat rack? Well
done, dad? Yeah, goodlike that one. I'm gonna use that
one. Isaac. Yeah, Rickwants to know how many people going on

(01:13:04):
our trip? We got about twodozen? Right, yeah, yep,
yep, nice sized crowd. Perfect, it's manageable. Yeah, that's what
that is. Manageable. Hey,no stragglers, you get up here?
Come on, what are you doing? Leave the animal alone? Come on.
England, Oh, England was almostforty It was over thirty. It

(01:13:25):
was. It was actually hard.We didn't get on the bus every time,
and I felt like a teacher becauseI used to count. Yep,
yeah, how many people had tocount? Yeah right? Yeah, that
was rough. We did a lotof bus driving, and whenever your account
was off, you go, where'sJohn? Exactly? We did a lot
of bus driving over. We wentfrom Italy to Switzerland to France. That
was a nice trip. That wasa great trip. Yeah, that was

(01:13:47):
a lot of fun. We needto plan a trip or should we finish
this first and see what the aftermathbrings. I'm my part is coming up
with the trip and planning, andthen I don't. I don't want anything,
don't. I don't want any ofthe details. Thank you for everything

(01:14:08):
you're doing, because I wouldn't wantto do it either. You's done up,
really good job. He gets inthere and gets dirty. Yeah,
it's like dirty with it. It'slike can you handle that? Sure?
There's so much that goes into thesethat you think it's easy. Ye.
If people don't, don't see ifyou would take it, you would think
yeah. But but once we getin there, it's not all right.
Guys, that's going to do it. I've got to get home and do

(01:14:30):
some more packing planning. I gottastart unpack and pack again and not bring
as much so until hopefully we'll seeyou back here next Saturday from Costa Rica
live broadcast from one of the manyresorts will be at, if not the
week after that, if not theweek after that, because we'll be back.
We'll be back in studio for theentire crew, Tiger Pella, Fox,
John Begnasco and Brian Maine. Havea safe rest of your week,

(01:14:51):
in a safe week, and hopefullythe next time we speak will be in
Costa Rica during the week. Picturescoming up from Costa Rica on our Facebook
page. Take care, be safe. Next time it'll be more garden America.
Take care,

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