Recommended Plants from NGB with Jeannine Bogard - Garden America Podcast & Radio Show [2.24.24]

Jeannine Bogard's passion for gardening began at the young age of 5 when she started learning the basics of growing vegetables from her neighbor who was a retired farmer. As a graduate of Michigan State University, Jeanine has a B.S. in Horticulture with a Vegetable Science emphasis. Through her involvement with the National Garden Bureau and All America Selections, she enjoys working with this non-profit as they trial and promote the best the industry has to offer. She has been involved with the National Garden Bureau and All America Selections her entire career and was President of the National Garden Bureau and a former AAS Edible Trial Judge. The National Garden Bureau has been inspiring and educating gardeners for over 100 years.

Resource Links Mentioned During The Show:

• Costa Rica Trip with Garden America
• Fertilome
• Garden America Podcasts
• Fun Gardener Personality Quiz

Episode Transcript

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Well, hey there, what's up. Welcome to Garden America. We are
on the air. We're about threeminutes late this morning. We appreciate the
comments, by the way leading upto this. What's up new start time?
That was funny, Kevin, that'sgreat. Yeah, we had the
last minute fire drill, but weare up, we are ready, we
are good to go. Here itis Garden America. Welcoming those on biz
Talk Radio as well. I'm BrianMaine of course, Tiger Pella Fox,

(00:23):
John Begnasco. We are in agood mood today despite the last minute technical
issues we had. So that said, I think the first person I'm going
to toss it to would be JohnMagnasco because he sits back Tiger and gets
it. He just loves all this. He gets a kick out of it.
I wish, I wish we wouldhave like at least with the video

(00:43):
gone live while we're trying to setup and while you and I are like
running around plugging things in, unpluggingthings, and then there's John just sitting
there. No, here's John.Well, here's what you need to do.
You know what, I know?My limitations, Yeah that is there's
only some m that's the famous ClintEastwood line, right. Is a man's
got to know his limitations. Ithink it's a sounds familiar dirty Harry from

(01:07):
a dirty Harry. We haven't beenhere for a couple of weeks. You
know, I was sick last week. I caught what you had. I
think you gave it to me.Remember we went to the drive in theater
and then they actually I didn't feelwell. A lot of people out there
don't know what a drive in theateris. I think a lot of our
listeners and viewers do. Anyway,the microphone that I usually use doesn't work.

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We just realized that about ten minutesbefore the show, so it's makeshift
here. Tiger is a good technicaldirector, a good assistant, and he's
the one that came up with theidea of using the mic that I'm on,
which I usually use during the week. He tanks too much information.
Let's talk about gardening. That's right. But by the way, just quick
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A good possibility, but maybe not. But hey, I'm feeling a little
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he I'm not doing very well.Better be cautious, and you said,
oh, I had it for sevento ten days. Yeah, and
I thought I'm going to be downa day or so. No, I
still have it. It's still lingering. And this is exactly one week as
of yesterday. You're a trooper.Show must go on right on? Yeah,

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so our guests this morning, Iforgot to get you that info.
So we're gonna have to get backthat. You know, sure we can
do that. We can get thatinformation. Someone says they're having trouble with
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Hey, John, are you appreciatingthis natural watering cycle that we have going
on right now and seeing die perfect? We have like five days of dry
weather, a couple of days ofrain five days and that was a good
rain that we got that one night. Oh my gosh, did you did

(03:51):
you measure it? Did you collectany of it and see like from the
night before to what it was thenext day. Because it was a substanti
normally I do, but because Iwasn't feeling good, yeah, you know,
I didn't do it this time.Yeah, but it was substantial.
I happened to. I don't knowif I told you guys. I'm keeping
score at my house and right nowone of the things that me and do

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that irritate you. No, No, the score is John, twelve gophers
two. Oh, you're winning.I am winning. I've disposed of twelve
gophers and fed them to the hawkswho appreciated it, but they did get
two of my roses. Yeah.The big weight in that score, though,

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is the value of those two rosesversus the twelve, because all it
takes is one rose of high valueto be like, oh, I'm losing
so far. The two that theygot are irreplaceable all the worse, so
they were sentenced to death. Butthe roses are the that's the Actually,

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I've had three roses that they youknow, went through like beavers, and
all three of those I was ableto say this time of the year,
like you're talking about tiger, withthe rains and the coolness and then some
sun and then rain again, it'sperfect for reviving those roses. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah. Areyou still catching gophers like I mean,

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you've got twelve? Oh and ifyou go out this week you set the
traps again. If I get anothertwelve, I would not be surprised.
Really. Yeah. I wonder whoelse out there listeners actively catching gophers like
you are, because that sounds likea NonStop cycle because generally speaking, gophers
are solitary creatures. Yeah, butif you have three and a half acres,

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that's what I'm sat around, plentyof time for them to come and
go. If you don't catch themthe first time, do they go into
each other's tunnels? Meaning like sayyou set a trap in one tunnel and
you caught it and killed a gopher? You know, I don't know?
Oh, okay, do you youalways set and new you always set your
tri always hilarious? I always I'musing gopher hawks, okay, And so
wherever I see the soil disturbed,I'll use the probe and try to find

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the title in that particular area.So you just go into the most recent
disturbed soil area, set your trap, kill a gopher, move on to
the next bar. I mean that'snone stop. You could spend all day
doing that, right Oh yeah,yeah, I mean you need to be
retired if you want to catch GOVTor hire a full time gofer assistant.
Yeah, and your job is tosit in here with a shotgun and John

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has I'm assuming you're not real worriedabout the area up around the house.
This is all on the slope headingdown. I thought it was all on
the slope, but this week theywent into the Japanese rose bed right behind
the house. Okay, And youknow there's a sidewalk separating that from the
rest of the yard. I thoughtthere's no way they'd ever go in there,

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But that one is gone. Now, well done. Yeah, twelve
twelve gophers, you go first andgoers. It's been about two weeks.
It took me about two weeks tocatch this problem I have is I cannot
find killer snails anywhere. You know, I asked you for some and you

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said, we don't have them.Just order them online. Yeah, every
line right, everywhere online says outof stock, out of stock. Really,
I don't know if it's the timeof year. Yeah, we usually
only stock those in the you know, spring months. You know, maybe
they haven't come in yet. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well. I
was pulling weeds and pruning roses thislast week I found two decolet snails.

(07:32):
Oh good, so good. Iwould think there's got to be more,
right, yeah, oh for sure, but not enough, not enough yet.
No. Yeah. I wonder howmany deckless snails they would recommend for
you putting out, because what areyou trying to do your slope I mean,
or just all around the house.Oh everywhere, yeah, everywhere.

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Yeah, Because there's literally thousands ofsnails and I don't use literal. Yeah,
as a literal term, very much. Literally, I literally don't use
it that office. Yeah. Youknow. Another thing, we my wife
and I went to the nursery togetherand bought some plants last week. And

(08:16):
one of the plants I bought tiger. I think it might be one you
would sell. It's an arctotis andit's called pink sugar. Oh yeah,
very popular. Oh my god,I love it. I've had it.
I have it in my front yardunder my front window. Really love it
popular because well, first of all, the colors our totis are. They
remind me of Gerbras or Gazania's right, perfect, that kind of look daisy,

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except gray foliage, and is thecommon one white or yellow? I
would think it's one of those,right, I think it's yellow. Okay,
but this and I do have ayellow one called large March. I
remember that large large Marge. That'sgood. But this pink Sugar has got

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to be a new hybrid. Andthe colors are just breathtaking and you can't
walk by it without, you know, wondering, what is that We're trying
to breathe and breathtaking And the reallyneat, neat thing about those ark tootis
is that they do bloom pretty regularly. They're very hardy plants, and they
spread a little bit. So youknow, it's a guys, it's it's

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I like. I like them waybetter than Gazania's and I like the foliage
on it and the flower is striking. And they have a few other ones
I would not say as popular asthe pink sugar one, but you know,
they have some burgundy flowers, somedifferent colors and stuff like that,
but that pink sugar it's amazing.Hey, we've got about a minute,

(09:48):
so a quick keyge on our guestcoming up. What are we going to
be talking about? And then duringthe break we'll get ahold of them Tiger.
Yeah, we're gonna be talking withJanine Bogart with the National Garden Bureau
and we're gonna be just talking abouttheir all American selection. You know,
this is something they do every yearwhen it comes to new plant introductions,
new vegetable introductions, flowers, thingslike that, and so we're gonna be

(10:09):
talking with her. She works withseeds and so okay, we're gonna learn
about how the whole process comes about, all right, And of course John's
quote of the week. When wereturn, we're going to take a break
for our friends on biz Talk Radio. These messages are for you. Thank
you for tuning in those on FacebookLive. We appreciate it. Thank you
for hanging in there as we goton the air just a little bit late

(10:31):
today, but you are dedicated,but you appreciate that. I'm Brian Maine,
John Begnasco Tiger Pellofox back after thesemessages on BIS Talk Radio. All
right, welcome back. We arewith you on Garden America. Having a
good time this morning. I'm BrianMaine, John Begnsco Tiger Pellafox. John,
your quote of the week and thenwe'll get to Jennine, our guest
today here on Garden America and BISTalk Radio Facebook Live. Okay, the

(10:54):
quote is the greatest fine art ofthe future will be the making of a
comfortable living from a small piece ofland. And that was Abraham Lincoln.
Abraham Lincoln smart man. Yeah,very smart. So this is the future.
The future is now. Let's justnot go back to the future,
Tanya, I think we are readyto go. Welcome to Garden America,

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Facebook Live, biz Talk Radio.Yeah, this morning, we have Janine
Bogart joining us from the National GardenBureau, who does all who does the
All American Selections for plants and vegetableor perennials vegetables annuals where they can pick
out new selections and they trial themand you know, ones that have proven

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themselves whether they're a great performer orwhether there's something unique about them. The
National Garden Bureau does their research andthen releases that list to the public,
so that way the public knows thatthey're getting a great plant. Janine,
good morning. Thank you very muchfor joining us. Yeah, good morning,
good morning. I'd like to clarifya little bit saying about All America

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Selections, and it really is atrialing organizations where the breeding companies submit their
varieties in for evaluation and it's ablind trial. So as a judge,
we're receiving all this plant product inhaving no idea who submitted it is a
breeding It could be your competitor,it could be anybody, and then we

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put it into our trial grounds andthere's thirty four I believe there's thirty four
trial grounds across North America, includingCanada, and so we're looking at the
product and all these different environments,and we're evaluating them for performance. If
it's a plant or a flowering plant, and then if it's a vegetable,
which I'm a vegetable judge, weactually have to taste it to make sure

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that it meets our triteria to becomea winner. So it's a pretty fun,
fun process. And as an industry, we're all excited about the product
coming through the pipeline and we spenda lot of time talking amongst each other
as just who do you think submittedthat this year? So yeah, so,
I mean, you guys have youknow, there's a lot of varieties

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of plant breeders out there, alot of plant breeders, and so they
distribute these seeds to other plant breeders, they trial them, and then you
know, they don't know who itcame from or always what it necessarily is.
And so the breeders are the firstpeople to kind of see that kind

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of plant come around. Is thatright? And then you guys get to
see and kind of taste it andsee the flower, and then you put
your notes together and send them backand then cumulatively, you guys put the
notes together and then release the findings. Is that what you guys do.
Yeah, it's kind of like that. But it's not just plant breeders that
are are judging sites. We alsohave commercial greenhouse growers who want to have

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trialing grounds. We have universities extensionwho have trialing grounds. So there's a
vetting process to become a trialing facilityfor all America's selections. Yeah, so
we get the blind, we getthe product in blind. We have comparisons,
so usually we try to put itup against there's a committee that determines

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what the comparisons are, and wehave to determine whether it's better than what's
currently on the market. And youhave these all over the country, so
you know what one plant might dowell in southern California, but that same
plant doesn't do well somewhere else.And then they put those notes together to
kind of know whether it's you know, going to be able to perform right

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correct, correct, And there's there'sa scoring a scoring scale that we use
so that we can kind of standardizeit amongst all the judges. But you're
very right some things. That's reallyamazing when you travel around and you get
to see the different trial grounds andlike, wow, this didn't look like
that in my garden, you know, yeah, exactly, that's that's funny.

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And you know, not just inthe trial guard but also in you
know, like some maybe sunshade orsome you know, you know, full
sun areas, the plants will lookdifferent, performed different. So you know,
that's such great information for the publicto be able to know. Oh
yeah, and especially with like motherNature and like you go into a summer

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that's really wet and windy, andit's it's you know, you get to
see the plants stressed. I reallylike to see a stress garden, to
tell you the truth, because ifit can survive that, then you know
it's going to really perform later onacross the country. But we really want
to look at bridons that are widelyadaptable that will perform around the country.
But then we did have some somevarieties that were really stellar in particular regions,

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so that All America Selections then startedmaking regional awards at the regional award
for the Great Lakes or the Southeast, and you know, it's going to
be a really good performer in thoseregions also. But I think the big
thing about having the a winning aswinner is that it gives confidence to people

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that if they buy an as winner, it's going to perform for them in
their garden. It's tried and true. So from the time that you guys
trial these gardens to the time thatyou release your list, Like the plants
that are on this year's list,were they just simply tried last year or
they tried a few years ago andnow you're releasing those findings. No,

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So the things that are going intothe child grounds this season, they will.
The winners will be announced at theend of the summer the whole growing
cycle. So we want to getthem to market as fast as we can.
The breeding companies want to get itout there. Everybody's cited, you
know, let's get it out there. Okay. I was just wondering do

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the breeding companies get any kind ofa heads up or do they just have
to if they submit a variety fortrials, do they have to just have
a huge backup so they can supplythe demand if the if an award is
given to that variety. Oh,that's an excellent question. That's one of

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the requirements in order for it tokind of giving a heads up that yes,
you guys qualify for the winner toreceive a winner, and then they
have to validate to the organization thatthey have enough supply to meet the demand.
And so there are some safeguards putin place so that we do not
want to come into a situation wherewe announce the winner and there's no seat

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supply. Yeah, that would begood, right, or plant supply of
it's a vegetative cutting or a shrubor a perennial or whatever is getting the
award that year, but producer hasto guarantee to the organization that they have
the supply to support it. Okay. And so your specialty in this is

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the vegetable gardens, you said,right y, Yeah, but I do
have experience with flowers also, yeah, yeah, you know what goes in
you know what. We are goingto have to take a break in about
a minute, so I will becutting you off. But I wanted to
kind of get into what goes intothe process as far as you for the
vegetable gardens, you know, Imean obviously, you know, you start

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off by planting the plants, andthen where does it go from there?
Then I spend every every week,I do a walk through of the trial
ground and I watch the plants grow, and how they're performing, what their
habit is when they start to stepfruit. I mean, I just watched
the whole thing develop and then onceit's ready to be harvested, then I'm

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out there tasting, you know,taking my tasting notes and things along those
lines. But if it's like they'reclaiming that it has these resistance, I'm
looking to see if it really doeshave disease resistance, if there's conditions out
there that have the disease presence,if it really is susceptible to it or
not resistance to it. Okay,we're going to take a break right now,

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Jeanine. When we come back,we'll continue chatting with Janine about the
AAS winner selection. All right,for BIS Talk Radio, got to take
a break. Do you stay withus, Garden America, Brian Main,
John Big Nascar, Tiger Pella Foxback after these messages for our good friends
on the BIZ Talk Radio. AllRight, we are back from the break.

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Thank you those tuned in on BISTalk Radio Facebook Live. As we
continue our conversation, Guarden America continues. Tiger. Yeah, and we were
chatting with Janine about the AAS selectionprocess before the break and talking about the
vegetable gardens. Now, Janine,you had said, you know, claim
about you know, maybe disease resistanceor certain things like that, but they

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don't. They don't give you anycontrols either in terms of like, let's
say it's a zucchini and it's mildewresistant, do you have anything to kind
of know whether it's very very mildewsresistant compared to other plants in that trial
garden or you just basing it offof what the environment was and you know

(20:29):
how it's looking and how it's growing. Yeah, so they do provide you
commercial comparisons with it known varieties outin the marketplace. So and then I
also have my own trials as I'vespent many years on in the field,
so I know pardy mill do orwhat resistance looks like it should look like.
If they're claiming it's there, andif the conditions are conducive to powdery

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mail do, then you know,you know, but they do have comparisons
next to it, especially if thatvariety does have have no resistance to it,
and they have a variety comparing itto a variety with resistance. You'll
it'll be night and day between thetwo. You'll see it it's really obvious,
okay. And then also in termsof cooking, you know, you

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said some of this stuff has tohas to be actually cooked to be tried
and seeing if it's got the flavorthat you want and everything. You know
you had said, you know,that's kind of a popular time for you
in the office because you get tobring in all these fun vegetables to kind
of cook and eat, and youknow that's got to be kind of a

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fun process as well. Right,Oh, it's a lot of fun.
And yeah, you don't want tostand out in the field eating of a
bee. So yeah, I'll bringthem in and then I'll set up a
cooking comparison so that my coworkers tocome in and they can taste the differences
between the entry and the two comparisons, and we'll see which one is the

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favorite of the group. So yeah, but even like the melons and stuff
like that, and the peppers,and the more people that you have involved
in your trialing process, the better, you know, especially when it comes
to edible things and seeing what appealsto different people. But when you get
something that's really really good, Imean, people are always like, did

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you bring any more of that yet? You're like, wait till next year,
it's going to hit the market.I remember we were working with a
tomato a few years back called SaucyLady, and it was a paste type
tomato, but when you put itin a pan, it immediately melted down

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into a sauce. And that wasa characteristic that unless you did that cooking
or you know, brought it indoors, you would have no idea. And
you know, a feature like thatcould be really important, maybe an awarding
any type of vegetable or flour.Yeah. Yeah, And so when the

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company submits the entry into it,they'll tell you what it's claimed the fame
should be. So we want tovalidate that too. So if they say
that it's going to mount in thepan and turn into a beautiful sauce,
you know, most judges will tryto test that and see if that's really
the case. Yeah, the judgesfirst thought is going to be this I

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got to see exactly. We're allcurious and it's really kind of fun when
you, specially with the vegetable judges, you get out in the field and
then you start talking about what youdo with the vegetables and how you cook
them and prepare them, how youpresent them all that other stuff because it's
very visual with with the vegetables andthen the connection with your tummy and everything.
So yeah, we really work hardto make sure that we are bringing

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the best forward. Hey, Janine, I do sorry you want to take
a second to address some of theissues. We're having some technical issues with
our broadcast and it keeps dropping outand kind of coming back in on us,
so you know, for our viewersand listeners right now. Sorry,
we are trying to work on itto make sure it maintains but it does
seem like it's dropping out and comingback on right now, and we will
keep refreshing. But the audio isokay, it's yeah. But the video,

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yeah, the audio is okay.It's just kind of like the video
end of it, and you know, lots of good information and if you
missed any of the information maybe becauseit dropped out. We will be loading
this podcast after the show with theaudio. That way it'll be able to
be rebroadcast. Ganine, How howis it that you guys distribute your findings

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your list? How can people findout which plans that you guys have selected
for this year or next year?You know, you know, where do
you recommend people go to to findthat information? The best place to go
to would be the All America Selectionswebsite and then all the winners are there,
going back to the beginning of time, but all the new ones there.

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We also do a press release tothe media out there so that all
the magazines and the newspapers are pickingit up that those things really still exist,
that we are working with garden communicatorsand getting the word out. And
actually it's kind of interesting when itgets the All America Selections come out.
The folks in the industry, thegrowers and the retailers, they're really excited

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about All America's Selections and so theyreally pay attention to that. So I
know there's quite a few people outthere companies that are waiting for the new
awards to be released because they wantto have their cutting edge genetics on their
benches. So yeah, yeah,but the word get We've spent a lot
of efforts publicizing the All America Selectionsto the trade and then it works its

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way through there to the general public. And normally these are plants that you'll
find in a garden center retailer asplants, right like we're talking right now
about seeds, because that's what youguys get. But you know, these
aren't always seeds that you know,are into get put into a package and
sent out. These are a lotof times, like you're saying, breeders

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that are maybe releasing these seeds togrowers and propagators that then they're putting them
into the market via you know,four inch plants or color packs or whatever
it may be. Right, correct, I'd say the majority of the product
goes out of the life plants througha retail garden center. Yeah, and
professional growers take it, take takeit up, and they make sure it's

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labeled. We have logos that shouldbe on the plant tags and make sure
it stands out on the bench andso people recognize it as an All America
Selections winner. Yeah, all right, what about this uh, this year's
release, any anything that you wereinvolved with or anything that you kind of
you know, stood out in yourmind. Oh, there was a handful

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of it came out. You justcut me off guard. We just released
back at the end of January.We had a presentation to the to the
to the actual people who went one. Oh yeah, yeah, And is
that normally The thing is every January, you guys do those do those releases.

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There could be two times a yearthat we do the releases, so
generally we do one in January andthere should be one in the fall off.
So there was one. Really therewas a couple of really cool things.
There was a purple broccoli that yeah, purple magic to me. That
was really really interesting on the vegetableside. And then there was a a

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colius that was pretty cool too,some coral candy, and then there's a
couple other the other past winners.But go to the website, they're all
there. Yeah, well information,it's really interesting to me. And one
thing about like the purple vegetables though, is the anti signings, they're not

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they're water soluble, so that ifyou put them in water and cook them
in water, the anti signs thepigments will leap out. That's the straw
back about that. But a lotof people eat raw broccoli, so then
you would have your purple broccoli there. So so you're saying, if you
boil your broccoli, you know,everything that you boil that broccoli with is
going to then turn purple because thepurple color comes out in the water.

(28:32):
Correct that it'll leak out the purpleanything purple vegetables. That's the anti signin
and it's water soluble. So thetrick is that you really want to like
steam it if you want to cookit, or you eat it raw,
boil it with some pasta and turnyour noodles purple. I've heard there's a

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trick if you put vinegar in therethen it'll it'll help hould the pigment in
the in the in the vegetable.I haven't done that, but it's kind
that's kind of an old trick.I know, like people who were clothing.
If you want to maintain the dyeand clothing, a lot of times
they'll they'll do a ventegar rintse onit and it'll hold the color better.
But yeah, and then the colororange, the carotenid they are stable,

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so you can cook those and thecolor won't reach out purples. Trigky.
All right, we're gonna have totake a break, Genny. When we
get back, we'll continue chatting withJanine about some of the aas Winter selections
in the National Garden Bureau. Allright, this break is for you BIS
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So do stay with us and hopefullyyou can catch us during the second hour
Tiger as we continue. Hey,so we're chatting with Janine Bogart with the
National Garden Bureau and the AAS Trialsprogram. Now, Janine, you work

(30:18):
for a seed breeding company, right, correct, And so your company participates
in these trials? Yes, wedo. Yeah, and I'm sure you
guys will you send your seeds outto all kinds of breeders and love to
hear their feedback to you. Now, Now, what is the difference between

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the National Garden Bureau and the AllAmerican Selection Is That's a really great question.
So originally they were two separate nonprofitorganizations, but the irony of the
situation was they shared office staff,so it was the same people running both
organizations, but they had different missions. And so just recently manufact next month,

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we officially merged the two organizations together, so it will be National Garden
Bureau and All America Selections will bea program within All America Selections. But
All America Selections is totally focused ontrialing plant material, whereas National Garden Bureau
is focused on the whole of whatevergoes into the garden. So it's just

(31:23):
not the plants, it's aus ofthe soil. It's working with garden communicators
to educate. It's about us providingtips and helping people to learn how to
grow plants. So they had similarfocus, but they had a lot of
overlap, but they had two differentfocuses. But now it'll all be under

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National Garden Bureau and All America Selectionswill continue as a trialing program under that
umbrella, and then National Garden Bureauwill be all be about inspiring and providing
education to the consumers and then makingsure that that the trade is aware of
the market trends that are going outthere so that they're prepared to provide the

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right plant material to the consumers.And you know, when it comes to
the as selection plants, you know, we've talked about vegetables, We talked
about these seeds that the breeders youknow, produce is that what you guys
focus on is simply you know,you know, annual perennial you know,

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bedding kind of plants and vegetables,or do they you know, incorporate sometimes
trees or shrubs into the selection.Yeah, so right now we do have
a perennial trial. All America Selectionsdoes has a perennial trial. So if
there's interest from the companies to participatein it. Now, National Garden Barrel

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does have a year of program wherewe do announce a woody, it could
be a shrub, it's a widerbulb. We do cover more plant material
than what is the focus of AllAmerica Selection trials at this moment, So
we try to cover everything right now, but for trial and grounds for like

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trees, we don't have that inplace right now. Okay, all right,
that would be really fun to do. But trees take a long time
to grow. So you're you're locatedon the central coast, and when do
you get your next patch of seedsto be able to trial. They got

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shipped out last week, I believe. Oh no, everybody should be having
their little box of trial, theirtrial program received and then it's just a
matter of waiting for the appropriate timeto sew the crop out and then waiting
for the grounds to be ready toput the plants out into the field.

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And how big is the trial gardenthat you monitor? Oh boy, it
veries. It depends on how manyentries are that year. But I've gone
up to maybe close to an acre. Oh wow, I get I give
them a lot of space. Alot of people don't have the luxury of
space, but I like to havethe space. And it really helps with

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disease control by giving everything a lotof rooms. So then I don't have
to have too many inputs going intothe field to take care of things.
So yeah, but yeah, I'vepaid it up to an acre. Easy.
That's a lot of fun. Andis it always kind of like a
fun shock when you get kind ofa unique plant, like you know,

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you mentioned that purple broccoli where youknow, maybe you knew you were going
to get a broccoli, but thenit comes out and it's got a really
crazy color or color or way itgrows. You know. One of the
examples I talked to you about earlierthis week was, you know, if
you get a plant like you know, just make it easy and say a
tomato in this you don't know thatthis tomato is supposed to be really compact

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and it grows to you know,six inches and then it just stops growing.
You know, you might be like, I don't know if that's stunted
growth and a problem or if that'sthe way it's supposed to be. Because
all you know is we get alittle cheet that tells us what the product
specs are. It'll give us someguidelines how big it is and how little
it is. And that's really interestingwhen you mentioned the tomatoes, because they

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did start a container trial program recentlyabout five years ago. So because there's
so much product coming out into themarketplace that is applicable for container gardening that
all America Selections thought, you knowwhat, we better start trialing these things
and containers also, so companies havean opportunity to put it into a field
trial or into a container trial now. So yeah, so and sometimes they

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go both places. Yeah, Yeah, it could be very different, right
because you know, growing it inpotting, so it was very different than
growing it in native earth. Yeah, it's really you know, I did
a lot of extensive container trialing withvegetables. One of the things that I
really learned, and it was kindof a surprise when I first started going
there was that everything in the Iplanted it in the field and in the

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container on the same day, andeverything in the container usually finished about two
weeks earlier than the field planting,which I thought was very, very fascinating.
Container and I used different container sizestoo. I went all the way
down to a six inch pot,all the way up to like a wine
barrel, just to kind of seehow things performed in the different containers.

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But most tomatoes, I wouldn't goany smaller than a twelve inch to tell
you the truth. And I alwaystell people that vegetables in particular, they're
kind of like pregnant plant. Andwhat happens is that you want to make
sure that it has all the resourcesto it. Especially, you want to
make sure that there's enough water holdingcapacity in the soil in the pot.

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You want a big enough mass there. So for most tomatoes, you can
get away with a twelve inch pot. Something a little bit bigger, maybe
fourteen, and you most things willperform in a fourteen inch cut. Determine
it. Terminate tomatoes, clarify that. But yeah, yeah, but it
was really interesting that everything consistently,whether it was a pepper or tomato.

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Don okra, I've done all sirteen. Everything finished about twelve two weeks earlier
in a container. All right,lots of great information, Janine, thank
you very much for joining us thismorning. Lots of good information in terms
of new selection of plants. Youknow again, go to the website National
Garden Bureau the All American Selection Winnersto see the winners. Janine, thank

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you very much again for joining us. Have a great rest of the weekend.
Oh you too. I'm going tobe heading out to my gardens.
All right. It's a beautiful dayfor it down here, so have fun.
Thank you, Jamine, thank youyou bet youa. And but that
said, we're going to take abreak. We've got news coming up top
of the hour for our friends onbiz Talk ready here for those on Facebook
Live. Interesting day, isn't it. We're going to I'll be back with

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(39:15):
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John, you're having a good timetoday. I know John is tuned

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in and paying attention to what's goingon this morning, and it's been one
of those shows. It started beforewe went on the air at eight o'clock
this morning, and from then onit just kind of fell apart. John.
You know, I guess I didn'tnotice. You know. One of
the things that I did notice,though, is a lot of people are
sending me emails complimenting me on thenewsletter. Well say, we do have

(40:01):
a positive today, then don't yeah, and how much they enjoy it.
And I'm thinking that if you're notone of those people, you can go
to Gardenamerica dot com and sign upfor the newsletter. Is that a long
complicated process? Oh no, no, no, really, just Gardenamerica dot
com. Don't forget the www dotright. And I guess again, I've

(40:22):
read where they're going to add anotherwh in the near future wwww dot com,
because we know how important that is. A great newsletter, and thank
you for giving me credit for oneof your flowers. Yes, yeah,
you know, you know it ofmyself. You know, I had to
go outside to see it. Youknow. It's so funny is that when
I saw that in the newsletter,I was thoroughly impressed that you grew that

(40:45):
arctotis in your patio because arctotas don'tgrow in the shade very well. And
I ran outside and I was like, in my patio and I said,
I don't I don't see this.That was great, John, I had
to I took a double ticket trip. Does that say, Brian's If you
would have gone to the read yournewsletter this week, you would have found

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out about hyper accumulators, right,which we've dealt with many times in the
past, and we want to bringour listeners and viewers up to date on
those. Johns. Do you knowwhat a hyper accumulator is, Tiger.
Yeah, it's I learned from thenewsletter. You read the news It's all
about absorbing the heavy metals and toxinsfrom soil and plants, certain certain plants.

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Yeah, do that at an exaggeratedbasis. That's the term hyper I
learned something now, But that's howthey can in areas that are polluted with
heavy metals toxic soils, maybe that'sone way to clean them up, right.
And and there's a picture in thenewsletter that you have, and I

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have a question, is that likea trial area. Is that a specific
space that is that has these Thatwas a university study where they were testing
the particular plants and how good theywere at removing the heavy metals from the
soil. And some plants will removesome metals and not others, like one

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may accumulate nickel, one may accumulatearsenic based upon the chemical makeup of that
particular plant obviously, right, andbecause they're all different. Yeah, And
then the other cool thing about thatprocesses or that ideas too, is that
you had mentioned that some areas youcan't plant plants. They just won't.

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They won't live, they'll die inthose areas because of those toxins or those
metals. And so now you canplant these plants that do which can clean
up areas. You know, pollutedareas, and plutants don't always mean like,
you know, bad, you know, people doing bad things and polluting
an area. Right, Sometimes there'spollutants because of land in general, earthquakes,

(42:58):
volcanoes, different things, you know, create pollutants in soil. And
if we know how we could introducethese plants into this area and in twenty
five years come back and it's reworkedor something, that's great information for us.
I'm glad you brought up volcanoes.That's a continual problem here in southern
California. You know, there's ado you remember quite well taken in terms

(43:22):
of hey, now you wait,because we have problems with volcanoes here.
Haven't you ever been to the Libreatar pits? I mean, they're not
volcanoes, but it is. Isaw molds and material on the Libreo tar
pits last week. As a matterof fact, did you ever watch that
TV show Librea? Yeah? Yeah, that's true. Or what was that

(43:44):
other one that was like Dante's Peak, wasn't that Librell? So they're just
like stuck in this tar from youknow, two thousand years ago mammoths and
have you ever been Have you everbeen there? I think when I was
a kid. It's such a coolplace to go to it it's right in
the middle of downtown, right,it's right in the middle of downtown and
there's a park. There's a bigpark all around it, and you'll be

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walking through this park and there's justcones sitting in the middle of the grass
around this park because there's just tarburbling up out of the grass, right,
and then you know it might goaway, and so then it pops
up over here, so they putthe cone over there so people don't step
in it. Or I think whatyou're trying to tell us is the earth
is continually active, right, It'san active process. But that's what I

(44:24):
am trying to tell you. ButI think you know what John wanted to
make a point, and then wewent down and wrap it up. Well,
I was just going to ask ifyou remembered when we used to do
the show with Bruce Asakawa that he'dlove to talk about serpentine soils. Yes,
and there's soils that have a lotof heavy metals that are poisonous to

(44:44):
plants, and a lot of plantswon't grow. But in California there's certain
plants that are good for serpentine soils, not necessarily hyper accumulators, but they
will survive under those toxic conditions tomost other plants. Yeah, my wife
says for me to watch it.Tiger knows this stuff. Yeah see that,
Yeah, you see that. ThanksDana, Yeah, my bad.

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Dana's on your side. She's onyour side. But no, that was
a really neat article and a reallyneat idea that we don't always think about
in terms of plants. You know, obviously we know plants clean the air,
right, you know, we knowthat plants help filter water, but
you know we might not know that. You know, they do other things
and absorb because the way the wayI kind of associate plants to people sometimes

(45:30):
for understanding is you know, theroots are the mouth of the plant,
eating up all that soil, allthat water, all those minerals, and
they're taking them up, and they'recreating a tree or a bush, sure,
and and so you know it's allit all goes into the plants somehow
and somewhere. But you know,they have to filter certain things out that

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are good for them, just likeus, and they have to filter out
some things that are bad. Butyou know, the soil is important,
you know, because we have aproblem here in San Diego with very high
salt oh water ycidity. We havesalt water, we have salty soil,
you know, and so I'm constantlytelling people like, you know, you
got to stick with kind of moreorganic fertilizers to help you filter all that
stuff out. You've got to leechthe salts out of the soil. John

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leech. Leech is a good word, it is. Yeah, Hey,
good morning, Haustan. You knowwe can always count on Histan for Yeah,
he doesn't join us right away,he'll eventually join the show. We
appreciate that. Well, you know, Harry is in Pakistan and trying to
put up with everybody else around theworld with the Facebook troubles we've been having

(46:37):
today with the video and by theway, those that are now back tuned
in on Facebook, you are realtroopers. Thank you so much, because
you know a lot of people knowto refresher, they'll hang in there.
But we do appreciate it. Now. We will have this resolved next week
because we we think we know theproblem. It's just a little too late
to take care of that problem.But for the most part, we are

(46:58):
still working. We're live, we'reon the air. Yeah, I wanted
to since Hastam is chiming in herewishing us good morning, I wanted to
mention to our listeners around the worldthat if you take pictures of your garden,
we'd love to put them in thenewsletter. Yeah, you know,
And all you have to do istake a picture and forward it to me

(47:19):
at John at Gardenamerica dot com.And I go through those every week and
try to picture what I think arethe best or pick what I think are
the best three. But you alsopicture in your mind what would look good
in the newsletter. Yeah, Iguess, so how would that look if
I put this a process right herenow? Yeah, at point, well
taken, So send those to Johnat Gardenamerica dot com. Maybe it's a

(47:42):
plant, maybe maybe it's a critterrunning through the backyard, or anything that
has to do with the environment interms of your gardener. Well, we've
had people send us pictures of bearsin there. Y are yes, mountain
lions we got we got sasquatch oneyear. It was blurry, out of
focus, but we could tell itwas sasquat in your back patio. What

(48:04):
would sasquatch damage to your garden?Look, you know, I can picture
what it would look like because forsome reason, you've been to my house
and you know the turnaround area Ihave to get out of the driveway right.
Yes, Why isn't that big enoughthat you've got to back your truck
over the curb and right on topof Gerbra Daisy, I don't understand it.

(48:30):
Are you talking ups drivers or Amazondelivery people or sons? You didn't
think about that driveway? Did andgave it enough room? There's plenty of
room. It's just it's it's I'venever done it. I can't say it's
bad driving. All I know isI've never done it. I love it.

(48:53):
Okay, So what we're going todo here is Jesse's listen doing take
a break here as we continue tohave fun on this well, Ha's Saturday
morning. As far as we're concernedthat the replay could be anytime of the
day or night, anytime of themonth or year. So thank you for
tuning in however you listen to us, YouTube, Facebook, Spotify, Alexa.
We appreciate that we're going to takea break for biz Talk Radio back

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after these messages. We are andstill are and we'll be Garden America,
Garden America. We are back fromthe break. Thank you. Hope you
had a good break. We're goingto get to some of your questions now
on Facebook Live, John, whichone you want to go to first?
Well, Carlo wants to know whatshe missed, and we can't repeat that.
We really can't. All I cansay is I'm sorry you missed it,

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carl Right, we actually got kickedoff or something. John said.
We had to meet quickly with theFacebook advisors. They agreed to it.
Where I was That's not where Iwas going. Then now we just got
kicked off again. No, actually, we did an update to the show,
to the video, and that appearsto be the problem. We've all
experienced this. You do an updateto your computer or something and something changes,
or your phone changes. My phoneupdated last night mine. Yeah,

(50:00):
I like that. I don't evenhave to do anything. It just updates
by itself. But do you readwhat the updates are? No? You
just trust them, Okay, yougotta trust So everybody's got to trust someone,
and everyone's got to love somebody.Sometimes sometimes, Hey, Tanya in
San Jose wants to know whether ornot we prefer the photos in the body

(50:20):
of the email or as an attachment. Either way is fine. I do
have to mention that sometimes Brian's photosare difficult for me. To use because
because I don't think you email themto me. I think you usually put
them on send them direct from youriPhone. Yes, I do, right,
And when you send them, I'vegot to convert it into a JPEG

(50:44):
because it's an h HC something other. Whenever they take the picture in the
actual email, that's where it's notan attachment. So what I'll do is
I'll email that to myself and thenemail it to you. Yeah, if
you do that, that's that's muchbetter. Well, no, what you
what you're supposed to do is justtake the photo, save it in your

(51:05):
photos and then and then even Ican do that too, but I like
to like to I like to keeptrack to it a folder as well.
Yeah, okay, I'm just lookingat the screen here. You know,
I wanted to mention if anyone isuh uh thinking of moving a rose this
time of year, it's almost gettingbeyond the optimal time. But right now
they're they're still dormant or could bemade to go dormant, and they're real

(51:29):
easy. The weather's still in southernCalifornia, we're talking about we're still cool.
Right. If you're in Lansing,Michigan, there's just doubt, wait
another two or three months dig yourselfout of right. But here in southern
California, it is still a perfecttime for transplanting. And it's easy,
you know. When you buy rosesat the garden centers or home improvement centers

(51:50):
or supermarkets, those things have allbeen gone through in harvested, just pulled
out of the ground and they theylay them out there for a week or
so well whether it's cool, andthey're bundling them up and shipping them off
to wherever they go. So ifthey can do that, you can easily
do it this time of year.Yeah, you're gonna take a lot more
care then they just throwing. Well, there's just just less time, you

(52:15):
know involved. If you move aplant, you've got a day or two,
right, yea. So we arestill open for a business on Facebook
Live. In terms of questions comments, we have. We got a lot
of people back that have refreshed andhave returned to the live's dream John.
Anything new in the nursery this timeof year? Are we in that in
between period? We're getting near theend of time for cool season vegetables,

(52:38):
right and still a little bit tooearly for warm season. Yeah, we
are in that in between time rightnow where you know, nurses and garden
centers are wrapping up like you're saying, you know, they're you know even
there. We don't do bear rootat the nursery any longer. But you
know, bare root stuff is alreadynot being bear root anymore. And you

(53:00):
know we're going straight into cans androses are already starting to begin to butt
up, or you know, leafnotes are coming out, emerging flowers and
vegetables. You're right, we havewe're slowly moving into the spring stuff.
Tomato mania is just right around thecorner, you know for us, so
you know, lots of selection oftomato plants will be hitting the nursery here
pretty soon. What do you havenew for us this year for tomatoes?

(53:23):
I don't know yet. I don'tknow yet. Yeah, when I when
I get the list of what's comingin, I'll let you know some of
the fun new stuff that we havegoing on for Did you understand his question
thoroughly? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I don't think he I don't think
he did. Yeah, what hisquestion is? What are you going to
bring him? Yeah? Every year, every year Tiger has like, okay,
here's whatever it is. You know. Yeah, and then here here's

(53:45):
a bigger one. Let's see howthis does. Yeah exactly. Last year
you and I experienced kind of adown year for the tomatoes that we had.
Yeah. They can't think of thename. They just they kind of
came to fruition but didn't do much. Did you really did you want one
of those spoon tomatoes also? Orno, you didn't like that one that
was the real small like, no, you didn't like a little too small.

(54:05):
Yeah, okay, you can fitwhat about five or six of them
in a teaspoon? Yeah, exactly, So I can't remember, but you
like, you like a good slicingone, and then a good cherry one.
Yeah, the cherries always do verywell. Yeah. And Daniels already
put up a link perfect on ourFacebook page to Mission Hills Nursery Gardening Events
San Diego. Thank you. Henever stops working. Adele on Facebook wants

(54:30):
to know how big a row shouldbe before planting for planting. Yeah,
and you know, there's a lotof a lot of people, you know.
Our words of wisdom when it comesto roses is always the same that
roses grow in spite of what youdo to them, not because of what
you do to them. And Iknow a lot of people will not plant

(54:52):
a rose until it's been they've hadin a container for a year and gotten
up to a certain size. Idon't think that matters really, or a
five gallon, But this year Iplanted some four inch pots and they went
directly into the ground. And whileI wouldn't recommend always doing that, it
just depends on the conditions. Butif the soil drains well, small plants

(55:15):
are fine well. I think whatwe talked about this year, I mean
also is that wonderful rain, dryrain, dry rain, dry much less
stress on transplanting things, whatever you'redoing in the garden, as opposed to
continual rain that never lets up,or as opposed to in the middle of
summer when you can't water enough,hand water enough to keep up with the

(55:37):
plant. And we've had winters wherewe've had rain, but then you get
ninety degree temperatures in January or February. So this year I think it's been
pretty good. By the way,we have an auction coming up here in
April mid April, and I wantedto let people know. If you go
to ccrsauction dot com, you cansee of roses that are going to be

(56:01):
coming this year. There'll be someroses offered for the very first time in
a couple of roses that don't evenhave names. They just have numbers because
they were never introduced. Like RalphMoore, the father of miniature roses,
has put out a miniature rose calledRise and Shine, which you as you
would assume Brian is yellow, right, But there was a sister seedling in

(56:24):
that group. There was a climbingversion of it, and never got introduced.
So you can't buy it anywhere,but it's going to be in the
auction. So there's roses with nonames, roses names, Why don't we
give them some name. That's awhole process, isn't it. You can't
just say I'm going to call thisrose up and at him. Well you
could, but the problem is thatit's someone else clever, someone else's good

(56:46):
for a climbing rose. Yet,right, it's a great rose and Shine
was its sister playing at him.And now you got a climbing of writing
you call it up and at him? All right, I have to admit
that that was really live. Wehave that I've recorded this right here.
Okay, but here's the problem.It's someone else's rose, Brian, do

(57:07):
you want to give them all thecredit and the accolades and for the well
he's dead now he probably doesn't care. But the point is that's his work.
It's like, if you understand,I get it. It's like if
you found a painting by one ofthe masters that had never been signed.
Who named the Mona Lisa? Wasit? You know? Was Leonardo?
Well she was actually supposed to bea real person, supposedly at about thirteen

(57:30):
or fourteen in the picture, veryyoung. All right, but I do
come up. John's mad because wedistracted. No, no, but but
John knows how much I want toname a rose. Yeah, and that
was really good that I have ahundred take a break, you know,
up at o'clock and we're running latefor BIS talk two more segments. Stay
with us. This is guard inAmerica, a break for you on BIS

(57:51):
Talk Radio. Okay, we havereturn from the break Facebook Live Biz Talk
Radio. Thank you so much.Carlo says, all right, I hope

(58:12):
she can make it to the roseauction. Now back to the naming John
so on and so forth. Howthat works, Well, you know,
since we're talking about naming give ourlisteners an insight into something that's never been
published and probably very few people inthe world even know about. Wow.
And that's our friend Burling Leong fromBurlington Rose Nursery, who used to be

(58:36):
the propagator for Ralph Moore. Sothis isn't completely out of left field.
It's kind of a segue from talkingabout Ralph Moore. But she's a breeder
herself and a couple of years agoshe named a rose Marion Ross. And
Marion Ross, the actress from HappyDays, came to our auction and we

(58:57):
presented her with the rose last year, yes, the year before last year.
So this last year, the lastrose auction. Yeah, it was
twenty twenty two, though not twentytwenty three, fall of twenty twenty two.
Has it been that long? Ithas been. I know that these
are right in the forefront of yourmind. It just seems like yesterday to
you. Oh my gosh. Butanyway, Burling has come up with another

(59:21):
new plant, a rose climber,a climbing red rose that's supposed to be
spectacular, and that's going to beintroduced next year, in twenty twenty five.
And the interesting thing about that roseis that Paul McCartney's grandson gave it
to his girlfriend for Christmas. Thenaming rights he bought the naming rights from

(59:45):
Berlin and his girlfriend. Right nowis Phoebe Gates. Phebe Gates, right?
And so the rose is going tobe named after Phoebe Gates and introduced
next year. We don't know yet, but it may be introduced at next
year's auction. He paid his grandsonpaid ransom, right he for who knows

(01:00:05):
what his grandson to us? Idon't know, right right, there's money
in the family. Right. Theperson who tell me about this, a
friend of Brillian Leong, says,what do you give the woman who has
everything? So? But she wasshe was blown away naming the rose to
her right? You know? Butyou know what you've done is you set
very high standards from from then on? How we get a top that Lila

(01:00:28):
wants to know the date of therose auction? It's is that the thirteenth
and fourteenth. It's that Saturday andSunday. It's prior to us scoring the
coast a week a week the weekbefore, right right up against it.
Brian, you're going to be theauctioneer. I'm stand by. I told
you yes, But I'm standing byin case something falls through. Trust me,
if it falls through, you'll knowplenty of time. I think it's

(01:00:50):
not going to be the morning ofHey, guys, see, I take
that to be that. That's verythat I'm stand by unless something better turns
out. It's the weekend before preparingto get ready to go to the trip,
and then I got to work allthat upcoming week. That's all.
It's just Sunday for an hour.Oh is that Sunday? Where is it
again? Is that the ocean side? Oh? We're going back right?

(01:01:15):
I liked it where it was lastyear that was fun or two years ocean
side that was Ocean Sites where MarionRoss was. You know what, not
only do I not know the yearwe were there, I don't know the
location. A lot's happened since then. Well, Tiger said that he won't
be able to come, and Iwas kind of I was leaving a week

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later to go for ten days,so am I. Yeah, but you
don't have two kids and a wife. That is going to be like,
I got to take care of thesetwo kids while you're gone. I'll go
find some Then I'll go find twokids and a wife. No, totally
get it. Anyway, I wasgoing to mention that it is the thirteenth
and fourteenth whatever that Saturday and Sundayis, and I think those are the

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correct dates. The thirteenth, though, is the date for speakers. The
actual auction is on Sunday. OnSaturday, you can begin to bid in
the silent auction. But we havethree great speakers, Greg Lowry from Vintaged
Gardens, the Friends of Vintage Gardens, I should say, Jill Perry from
the San Jose Historical Rose Garden,and Anita Clevenger, who's going to be

(01:02:23):
talking about Anne Bellevich and her collectionof rambling roses. Speaking of that,
did you see Dana's question? DoI know if there's a rose named Kracklin
Rosie? Yeah, Neil diamond Song. You know she might be talking you

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on these names here Kracklin Rosie.Yeah. I want to know what criteria
John has introduced this year at theRose Auction contest, because what was it
last year when you introduced the rosehip division. Oh? That was it.

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That's a there's no flower show.There's no flowers right this time?
Yeah, the rose show was lastfall. We think that there may be
a district Rose Convention in twenty twentyfive at our auction again. Okay,
so that would be similar. Norose contest flowers show. So you can't

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win anything this time, John,No, no, unless unless we win,
unless I bid on a rose.Yeah, that's winning. I'm trying
to think. Heirloom Roses is goingto be attending the Rose Show and has
donated some roses to the show also, and our friend Ping Limb has introduced

(01:03:52):
some of his new breeding work tothe Rose Show. It's good to see
Paning back in action. Yeah,actually wanted to go on our trip and
found out that we were sold nowand he didn't. We can't get a
hold of him. He didn't goon the waiting list, but he decided

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not. He was going to bein Thailand the week before and then come
home and go to Costa Rica inbetween relaxing. And his wife said,
you know, that just might betoo much. Plus someone just gave them
Round the World tickets for that fall, so we're going to take around the
world vacation. You'll get him go. Wow, jeez, I'm going to

(01:04:36):
go when he travels like this ishis sole purpose too? Is it just
enjoy business? Thailand was was businessfor roses. He sells a lot of
roses in Asia, Japan, andChina. He was telling me a story.

(01:05:00):
I don't know if I should repeatthis, but well he didn't say,
don't ever tell anyone, but hehad sent a lot of his roses
over to China for trialing. Andthis was about ten years ago, oh
maybe fifteen years ago, got yourlimitations, and then went back to visit
them five years later. And becausethey never paid him any royalties and they

(01:05:24):
said, they said, none ofyour roses performed, Well, we didn't
use any of them. And hesaid, as they started going around looking
at roses, he saw his roseseverywhere. They just changed the name.
Oh my goodness. Wow, hesaid, they're getting better about that though,
they're getting better better next time.Yeah, yeah, we're sorry,

(01:05:45):
give us another twenty roses. We'llwork better with you on this one.
As I was talking to him,we were kind of joking, and he
came up with the name for arose monkey King. Isn't that a good
name? Monkey King? Okay,if I had given you that name,
yeah, you wouldn't have liked itbecause it came from me, not ping.
Now, I kind of like thatname king for a yellow rose.

(01:06:09):
Maybe, what do you think amonkey king? What about Kuala king for
like a gray rose? How aboutsloth for a rose that's very slow growing?
So I think I'll give Dana acall. Crackling Rosie was okay,

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Brian, but sloth, Yeah,it's a very slow growing rose. Do
you know? This is a littlebit. This is a tidbit that probably
very few people know about or evencare about. But there was a product
do you remember before well, Tigerwon't because he wasn't born, But before

(01:06:53):
Miracle Grow, the number one watersoluble fertilizer on the market was called rapid
Grow and I used to come inmetal cans, which I always thought was
kind of cool. But about thenMiracle Grow came out, took over the
market and put Rapid Grow out ofbusiness. But there was a product that

(01:07:15):
came out around that same time calledslow Grow, and you would spray it
on plants to slow their growth.Yeah, and why would you want to
do that? They use it allthe time. It's growers. Yeah,
growth inhibittors just reduce height, allkinds of things to control it control,
okay, yeah, Or if youhad a hedge that you didn't want to

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grow as fast. If you hada plant that you want to get didn't
want to get it as tall,I would have called it control growth instead
of slow growth. Control growth.We know you would have called it sloth.
So true. Oh that's good.Okay, you know what, We're

(01:07:56):
very close to break time here forour friends on Bistalk Radio. Final break,
the final segment coming up on theother side. Do stay with us.
Brian Main, John Becknesco, TuckiePella Fox here on Garden America.

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All right, we are back.It is our final segment. This has
been like a long train ride throughvarious weather conditions, slow go, stopping
on the tracks, moving snow outof the way. But we do see
the light at the end of thetunnel. So final segment here on Guarden
America. That it was tough toget through today with all the interruptions and
video and audio and you know,but we're there, yeah, where we
are here. The one thing Idid want to wrap up some of information

(01:08:54):
for this program is regarding the tripwe've talked about in the coastri Get trip
a couple of times. If you'reinterested in going on the trip, there
still is room to go. Itdid say it was sold out, which
was more saving in space on thetrip. And what they're going to tell
you is if you want to go, is you're going to be put on
a wait list. And what theyhave to do is they have to contact

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all of the different hotels, venues, all that we're going through. Right,
it makes sure now there's still roombecause we're kind of past that whole
date. Once they confirm all that, they will let you know that,
yeah, you can go on thetrip and they'll ask you for all the
information and kind of go from there. So if you are interested in going

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on the trip, please do knowthat there is still room and we hope
to have you join us. Shouldbe a great trip. We will eliminate
any technical issues because it will belive. We'll be live, so unless
John just is slow getting there,we'll be there. YEA. The older

(01:09:57):
people in our may feed or alive you know you've I don't know why
this popped into my mind, butyou and I did a radio show about
twenty five years ago, and Ithink it was my junior year of high
school. Well I think it wasthe first one I ever did with you.

(01:10:19):
But that would be back at theold building exactly. I think I
remember, yea, what you're talkingabout, it what you might say and
someone at the station, I toldyou that you should tell me not to
complain about or not to mention onair about any technical difficulties we were having.

(01:10:43):
Oh you know what that was backthen. Now when it's obvious,
you have to respond to it becausepeople want to know. People always want
to know why or well, whathappened or was it technical? Meaning?
Is it just them or is itus and we? And it depends on
the show. We have a veryclose relationship with our stairs. It's kind
of a little niche, you know, weird. I know that it's just
something I never forgot because the personis still on the radio today and h

(01:11:09):
and I always felt kind of badthat he he mentioned that, Like it's
like this guy's an amateur. Yougot to tell him you don't do this
kind of stuff. You know,I wouldn't you let me let me you
know who I want this, Iwon't say it on airboat tell you drinking.
Every every program director has a differentidea about this or that or you
know, they're all different. Inour case, it's not a big deal.

(01:11:32):
Hey, just admit the obvious.You know, we got a little
problem. We're going to fix it. You know whatever. Now people on
Biss Talk radio hearing this, there'llbe no problem. This is fine.
This aspect of the show is fineall the way around. So and we've
got about four minutes to go,guys, all right, got to get
to the We got to get thattrain back into the station. So this

(01:11:53):
weekend I will be just doing alittle bit of work in the yark.
I got some weedings I'm trimming todo. I told you I cut some
Chrysler Imperial blooms and brought him inthe house, and they just such a
great fragrance in the yeah, andall kinds of paper whites popping up.
So I'm cutting those Freezias are buttedup. Now. That's probably my favorite

(01:12:16):
cut flower to bring into the houseis the Friezias. Such vibrant yellows,
reds, pinks, whites, purples, great fragrance, great fragrance. I
have a ton of those just readyto go right now. I'm so excited
for that to actually start blooming.I was thinking about you yesterday because I
was I had moved and just putjust kind of separated my scaydoxas and our

(01:12:42):
ears up. Yeah, I'll haveto go look. They're kind of hidden,
so I have to go look forthem. But yeah, they I
mean usually kind of around the sametime, right for you and I.
I'm not sure that you still bloomthis year because I separated them some they're
just beginning to poke out of theground. You know what I had that
was fun, and I don't thinkit's going to be fun because I know

(01:13:03):
that they could be a problem.But there was a couple of ducks in
my pool this morning. Mallards.Have you ever seen ducks in your pool
that I remember? Really? Yeah, And I know that they tend to
you know, it was too itwas a male and female. I know
they tend to kind of like hangout in a spot and they hit the

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same spot over and over again.So they're not fun to have in your
pool because they make a mess andeverything. But it's kind of cool to
see them. Not as bad asnot as bad as the kids. No,
the kids were still asleep. Wehad I think I've mentioned the sun
air before, but we had fora short period of time some giant African
geese in our backyard when we livedon pepper tree. What are you,

(01:13:48):
David Attenborough. Well, the giantsAfrican geese land and jumps backyard. We
were hoping that they we had atthe time, we had a Yorkshire terror.
We were hoping that they would kindof beat up the Yorkshire terrier because
the Yorkshire Terrier would get out andgo next door and kill a neighbor's chickens.

(01:14:10):
So we thought, you know,we'll bring in these geese. Will
mean to long story anyway, thatwe got rid of the Yorkshire terrier before
the geese. But there was somethingabout them that they would not go to
the bathroom anywhere except on the patio. Yeah, it's so nice and clean
for me. They would come andthey would do that, then they would

(01:14:31):
go back out into the grass.Every day. I had to hose off
the patio. You know. It'sjust like our cats. So that we
get two litter boxes and they're let'ssay they're dirty, right, So Dana
or myself were going to clean it, and they'll wait, no, I
want to clean one. I'm notgoing to use this dirty. They'll just
wait for you right outside the barand then when it's clean, they'll use

(01:14:51):
it. You know, animals arestupid. They they're very smart. Okay,
a minute to go, guys,We're almost there. Carlos said that
there was enough good stuff to hangin there for me. If you very
much, carl we will have itresolved next week with the updates so on
and so forth. Yes, yes, thank you very much. Everybody.
Have a great weekend, have agreat week. And do you know who
the guest is next week? Oh? Yeah, who is our guest?

(01:15:13):
I do if you give me amoment, and we want to thank our
guest at Janine who was with ustoday. Yeah, she she got really
excited towards the end and thank youfor starting coming to her mind. She
don't want to leave. Yeah,she did a good job. Lorie van
Werden. And we're going to betalking outdoor art. There you go painting

(01:15:33):
outdoor that's different such art next week. John's been looking forward for this for
maybe garden graffiti. Thank you allof you Facebook Live. We're hanging in
there. Those on Biz Talk Radiowho are thinking to yourselves, what everything
sounds fine here? We do appreciateItkudos to BIS Talk Radio, thank you
for having us on each and everyweek. Those on Facebook Live, I'm

(01:15:55):
Brian Maine, John magnasco taker,Pola Fox. We will see you next
weekend. In the meantime, enjoythe rest of your weekend, have a
safe week, and we'll do itagain as I mentioned next week right here
on Guard in America. Take care,