Tips For Growing Roses and Container Gardening - Garden America Podcast & Radio Show [5.18.24] - Garden America - Gardening Podcast & Talk Radio Show

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Good morning, Welcome to Garden America. You were looking at a beautiful bouquet
of roses. John says, it'sjust two stems. We'll talk about that,
but anyway, welcome to the show. Take two, Garden America,
Back in studio, back live.I'm Brian Maine, Tiger Pelafox, John
beg NASCO broadcasting live from San Diego, California. iHeartMedia and Entertainment Studio studios.

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That's a plural, the world dominationheadquarters. iHeartMedia. So there's only
one studio nowadays. Yeah, andthat's the studio here. Right. So
John, we've taken two. We'reback live. We've got the audio,
the video working. Tell us aboutthese beautiful roses that we kicked off the
show with. All right, it'sa rose variety called terra cotta, terra
cotta, and you know, Igot to be honest. There's two roses

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called terra cotta. One is allone word and one is two words.
And I don't know which one thisis. Well, but they don't make
it difficult at all with the rose. Do you say? There's two different
roses named terra cotta, but onewith the space in it. But they
look the same No, wait asecond, even more confused. Don't you

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think that's silly? Why would youhave the same name but spell it differently?
Oh, there's there's probably I wouldsay there's some roses that are rose
names that have as many as sixor seven different roses with the exact same
name. Yeah, it's especially popularin Europe to use the name over and

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over again. And the reason therewas they never used patents. They used
trademarks, and if you own atrademark, nobody can use that name.
So when you stop growing a rosethat's ten fifteen years old and you come
up with another one, and you'renot creative, just use the same name
over again. Well, that doesn'treally answer my question. It's still silly.

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I don't even remember what your questionwas that. I thought it was
silly that there's two terra cottas,one that's a continuous name and one with
a space. And then you pressto explain how it's done in Europe.
But you got to think, like, roses are marketed worldwide, so meaning
you know what we have going onhere in the United States in terms of

(02:12):
rose marketing and varietals and things likethat could be different in other parts of
the world and probably not. Imean, you know, John has seen
this just ridiculous amount of growth interms of grower sharing information. You know,
back before the Internet, if somebodywas growing varieties in Europe, they

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would have no clue what was actuallyhappening in the United States at the same
time, because it takes so manyyears to develop and create and kind of
go and then you bring it tomarket, except by word of mouth,
which would take a while to probablycatch up. Right. Well, now
it's instantaneous. You can find outimmediately exactly. And like John saying,
they worked off of patents and nottrademarks, so when they would go to
patent, oh yeah whatever, there'snothing named this, you can have it,

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you know. But meanwhile, well, nowadays you go online, you
can find exactly, I mean,look at to help me find roses.
You can find, you know,all the names of all the roses out
there, especially all you know.A good example of what you're talking about
is look at Japan. Sezo Suzukiwas Japan's most famous rose breeder, and

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if you look at the names ofsome of his roses, amatsu O Tome
or let's see, what's another goodone, Saiko anyway, lots of sakuragasumi.
Those are not catchy names in theUS. No no, But back

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when they had the All American Roseselections, he submitted some roses. So
he ended up winning two awards,and one of the roses in the US
was called French Perfume and another onewas called Mikado, which is still a
Japanese name, but at least atleast you can understand it. Yeah,

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yeah, for sure was the Frenchperfume. Is that the name he gave
the rose in Japanese? No,no, no, he gave it an
English name to try to win,So okay, I understand it's more understandable
now, Yeah, why that couldhappen? And back to terra Cotta.

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There's the two roses that are taughtcalled terra Cotta. One was bred in
New Zealand and the other was fromFrance and is just a sport of Leonidas
and Leonidas is uh sometimes Martha Stewart. I think he used to call it
the chocolate rose because Leonidas is afamous brand of Belgian chocolate. And that

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rose is this color but an orangebackground. Yeah yeah, more orange,
yeah yeah. The reverse pedal isorange and again we should reiterate two dims
that this particular one actually one wasthe stem was so heavy it was laying
on the ground. So I justwant to prone it up, cut it

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off, and I thought, youknow, I'll just cut another one and
bring it in. Now, isthis terracotta susceptible to that, you know,
how get disease? No? No, no, you know how like
they talk about like black baker,if you grow it in the sun,
it's really not black or and youknow, but if you grow it kind
of more shaded, it really showsits color. So will this show different

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colors depending on sunshade? You know, will it be more terracotta looking,
because right now it's more red redbrick, you know, which I understand
it, but but terracotta is moreorange when you kind of you know,
vision it. Well, first ofall, roses looked different in the sunlight

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than they do absolutely, you know. I I have a lot of seedlings
that are blooming now, and Ihate to to bring him in the house
to show Shannon. So I alwaysgotta get her to come outside because when
you bring them in the house,they're not impressive, but outside, like
Manhattan blue seedlings that I had oneis blooming and outdoors, it's got some

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blue in it. The different huesthat would show up outside that you don't
see that, Yeah, yeah,got it. So anyway, this one
is in the shade, would thecoloration of the flower be different? I
don't think so. You know,you know you mentioned black bikara. That's

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darker in the sun. Oh darkerthan I had a reverse. Yeah,
And the reason it's darker in thesun is is because the petals begin to
burn. The If you think ofcolors absorbing heat, black absorbs the most
heat, right, sure, Soif you've got black bikar in the sun,
it's gonna absorb peat to the pointwhere fitzad outside the pedals are actually

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gonna burn. Which is why theynever marketed black roses, because they just
so if you did put an impartialshade, it might look better. But
he shows it's yeah, yeah,yeah, Okay. You know what was
funny just a few moments ago beforeJohn stepped in to clarify some things.

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You and I were talking about rosesand the history of roses in Europe,
and I'm watching John's expression, likethese guys don't know what they're talking about.
They're going back and forth, thinkingthey know everything about roses. I'm
just I'm just never think he's justnow figuring that out. I think John
puts up with us. Hey,speaking of John, he's got the quote
of the week. This is themost exciting part of the program, ladies

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and gentlemen, boys and girls.A lot of people tune in just for
these quotes. So John, whydon't we do it? And it's from
one of your favorite people, LadyBird Johnson. Ladybird, Yeah, she
said, the environment is where weall meet, where we all have im
mutual interest. It's the one thingthat all of us share. She was
a very eloquent, very nice lady. From what I understand, she was

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Lyndon's wife. She was, butin the gardening world she was famous for
promoting wildflowers. There's got to bea rose named after Poppy, two rosafter
one rose called Ladybird and the otherone called lady Bird Johnson. And there
we go with it again, therose with the same name, but we'll

(08:31):
tweak it just a bit. Okay, With that in mind, we're going
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(09:16):
your mind as we cruise through themonth of May heading into summer. Before
you know it, June is rightaround the corners. So whatever you want
to talk about, whetherwise, whereyou're living, a different zones, so
on and so forth, let usknow and we'll do our best to as
we used to say, John whenit was the garden compass, points you
in the right direction. You knowwhat, I wonder if you were confused
with the there was a did youknow in the newsletter about the Amazon rain

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for us, that's where we getlike twenty five percent of our what was
the percentage of our oxygen? Right? Yes, that wasn't going to be
my point. No, no,but I want to make sure that I'm
on the same article passage. That'swhere that's where our packages come from,
right, the ones that sus Ohyeah, every day. It's pretty good,

(10:01):
Tiger. The picture kind of lookedlike a redwood. It was a
picture from the bottom up. It'swhat you were thinking about that confused with
Dana and I had a conversationation.We were watching something about the redwoods and
there was a still picture of acar driving through a redwood tree, and

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for some reason, your newsletter inmy brain put the two together. There
you go, okay, okay,And the article was about the about growing
vegetables and containers, but there wereno cars driving through redwoods in your article.
No, that's what you're trying totell us. And if some of
our listeners don't know what we're talkingabout, you can easily join the conversation

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it. I've only got sixty thousandmiles on it, so it's still new.
It'll be new to you if youwin the car he's been taking.
Brian takes really good care of histhings, so the car's in really good
condition. Leonora corrected me, twentypercent. I said twenty five, yes,
So you know I was going tocorrect you, And I was saying
you in my mind, you knowfor five percent? Why should I correct?
But there were so many things swirlingin my mind in these facts and

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figures and trying to figure out whatit was I was even trying to talk
about. But nevertheless, for readingor it's a great newsletter, that was
my point. I should just sayit was a good newsletter and not try
to impress anybody with what I thinkI read. Yeah, hey, so
speaking of trying to impress them.But yes, you guys mentioned ladybird,
and the first thing that came tomy mind was a poppy popaver poppy that

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has the name ladybird. Okay,And I'm like, oh, bugs are
also called ladybird beatles, right,So I was like, I wonder if
that poppy is named after her,you know, like you say, like
she was a big promoter of wildflowers, street side improvement, you know,
all that kind of stuff. Nota reference to Ladybird Johnson, former first
Lady famous for promoting roadside beautification.The ladybird instead is British for ladybug.

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Oh so the ladybird poppy is notnamed after so they have ladybirds in their
gardens not lady bugs. Yeah.Do you know there's a roast called ladybug?
No, but that's interesting. Now. See, I just learned something
that I never would have put twoand two together. They say they're lady
bird and not lady bugs. Yeah, which is because they're not even that

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bit. It's a softer a it'sa softer way of talking about something that
well, they're not pasted necessarily forthe most part. Good lady bugs or
lady birds, I should say,Oh, yeah, ladybugs are great.
They eat aphids and other insects.The part you can buy, actually,
you can buy them right and putthem in some nurseries and put them in

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your garden. What about still know, I knew that was going. I've
been looking. I've been looking.I need some I've got sneels all over
my front yard. I have tosay Joe Nelson, Joe Nelson is tuned
in. Joe Nelson would be gosh, Joe, how can I describe you?
He has his pulse on the localmedia. He knows what we're all

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doing. And yeah, he usedto write articles. Maybe he still does.
He's a great guy. Even afteryou got the restraining artor that's what
called his attention to our show.So he says, Hi, everyone love
your always informative. So apparently he'sbeen watching and listening before. So hello
to you, Joe Nelson, whohas his pulse on the local media.

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You know what I did Wednesday?Playing some roses? No, but it
didn't involve roses. I made atrip to the Huntington. Oh. By
the way, if anyone out thereis listening, and for those who are
out of state, they may notknow what the Huntington is. The Huntington
Gardens and Library is in San Marino, California, and the gardens are indescribable,

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are so beautiful. But the rosegarden, especially this time of year,
is fantastic. But I the reasonI thought of this was because Tony
from Connecticut found a rose in hergarden. That publication said this rose is
extinct. I remember this story.Yeah, and the rose was called Lemon

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Chiffon and we were able to getsome started. And now for the first
time, Diane Wiley. I guesswe should have mentioned people's last names,
but anyway, Diane and Nampa,Idaho donated three of those roses to the
Huntington, so we have her firstin her last name and where she lives

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and her phone number is. Soanyway, I had them muted up and
I grew them on to where therewere one gallon cans, and I brought
them up to the Huntington and they'llgrow them a little bit bigger, and
then they'll be in a public gardenfor the first time. And who knows

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how many years, wow, fortyfifty years, So that that rose lemon
Chavaughn is about maybe you using fortyfifty years in a public garden. So
that's probably about the time of theHuntington, right in terms of when the
Huntington was bec humming the the placethat it is today. Because the story

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of the Huntington is the family railroadsup in that area. They established that
property. It was like private residencefifty years ago. Yeah, it was
a private residence at that time.So that lemon Chaffon was probably a popular
rose at that time or was itbefore them Careful I got in trouble when
I talked about the newsletter, wellbecause just because that would be fun to

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kind of have from Yeah, that'swhat I'm saying that would you really need
to have plants from that era ofwhen it became the Huntington. They don't
do that. But who who doesdo that is San Simeon. Yeah,
they do. They only plant Ourfriend burling Leong from Burlington Roses, who's

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been on our show before, wascontracted to grow the roses that only existed
during the time when Hurst or livedthere, lived there have been Have you
been to hers Castle? Yeah?Oh, just the history and just yeah,
the grounds itself years ago, thatwas a zoo. There's old eight

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millimeters sixty millimeter footage of people drivingup there. He hung out with all
the movie stars. They aren't theanimals still there of them. They let
just kind of write their own devicesout there. Last time I was there,
there were running around. When wereyou there last call? I was
just there thirty years ago. Yeah, I don't, yeah, just thirty

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years ago. We have to takea break. I don't. I don't
think most of those animals are stillthere. Yeah, I mean those that
were at the time. But we'regoing to take a break. We've got
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we do encourage you to go toour website Gardenamerica dot com. It's fun
always exciting, Tiger, Yes itis. And you know it's funny.
You mentioned Hurst Castle because I workedfor the state. I was a state
lifeguard for many, many years.And Hurst Castle is a California state park
now, right, So that's whythey don't have animals, is because they
need They don't need lifeguards though,unless it's for the swimming pool. We

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used to, so I worked atOceana Dunes, which was the state park
just south of like Pismo Beach.Well, okay, we would. We
were the only lifeguards for pretty muchthe central coast from Oceana all the way
up to Hurst. So how manymiles is that? I mean, way
too many. We never lifeguarded theNorth Park. We only like, if
there's a problem, we'll be therein a half hour, exactly what.

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But when they would have special privateevents that would require the use of the
swimming pool, they would have tohave a lifeguard. Really, so they
would call us up for special eventsfor the swimming pool. And you know,
you you know, just talk aboutan interesting thing. And and then
I mean, I know, II we were talking about this earlier.
I love history. But like youknow, William, you know Hurst and

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all he did, but like you'resaying, the opulence of that house in
this all of that, and howkind of he did it all for show,
right, because he was not thatguy and he wanted to share it
with his friends. Yeah, that'swhy all this Hollywood buddies would come up
there. If spend the weekend playedtennis one time was enough. Yeah that's
another story. But but it's areally neat property. And it is neat

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that they have focused on the landscapebeing era specific, you know what I
mean, Because it is neat whenplaces do that to kind of create that
same look that had had when itwas in its pro Getting back to what
you were talking about with the Huntington, Yeah, from a historical standpoint,
the way things were compared to theway they are now. Did you want
to catch up on some questions commentsJohn, Yeah, First of all,

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since we were talking about the Huntington, not to say I told you so,
but but you will. But Carlasays, I remember seeing the zebras
roaming on the grounds. John,you could see them on the bus trip
up to the grounds. Yeah.But when, because you said thirty years
ago, Carlo, that's when Iwas. Carlo wasn't born thirty years ago,

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but I was up there probably fifteenyears ago, and I know they
still had some Okay, let's putbut they made a point that they are
not replacing the animals. Yeah,let's let's clarify. Back in Hurst day,
Yeah, the zoo was much moreThere were a lot, it was
thriving, it was. They hadmuch more variety, So like Neverland,

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right yeah. Oh Michael Jackson,Yeah, you know what somebody I read
something where he got his inspiration forthose animals bringing all those animals into Neverland
from Hurst Castle. I think itmight have been. I think he took
a trip up to Hurst Castle andat some point, I don't know,
it's not too far away. ButI'm not going to take you to Neverland.
John, that's what you're fishing for. I'd not con says that his

(21:23):
crape myrtle hasn't started new growth.Why where's where's he at? Or I
don't know where they're at. Ifyou could let us know where you're from,
that would be to start. Butit depends on the season, on
the on the temperatures. Assuming theplant's still alive, and you can tell

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that easily by taking your fingernail rightand and scraping the bark. If it's
green underneath, it's still alive.The cambrium layer. Is that called the
cambrium layer cam BM cambium no areI've always used the r And you can
do that on a new part ofthe plant, not just the trunk like
sometimes you know, you try todo it on a trunk, it's tough

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with your nail right, but likeif you do it on a new branch
easy, or sometimes you can bendthe branches if they snapped their dead dead.
But if the weather hasn't been warmenough, it can be delayed in
coming out right cray myrtles love theirheat. Yeah, the hotter the better.
There's still zebras at hers Castle property. Oh somebody said, see what

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you do? You take a littleleft turn on the Garden Show and people
chime in. This is why wewere lying our listeners in our viewers.
This is much more intelligent than weare. Tony wants to know where Diane
got the lemon chiffon roses. Didshe have them in her garden? No,
those roses came from you, Tony. The one that we got started,

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we started two plants of and thenwe sold one in the auction,
and I believe that we saw twoin the auction, and I believe Diane
bought one of them. But sheasked if I would from my plants,
start some more and donate them tothe Huntington. So I started those three

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plants and grew them. But Dianepaid for the budding, so all that
costs involved were born by her.So it all boils down to Tony's one
plant. See do you remember therest of that story, Paul Harvey,
Well, yeah, because I usedto. I grew up in Detroit,

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right and I worked for Frank's nursery. And when we found out that Tony
had this plant of lemon chiffon.I wanted to make sure that it was
correct, because you know, you'vegot a book that says this rose is
extinct, but you have someone whosays I have one. And so,

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emailing back and forth, I said, are you sure that's lemon chiffon?
She said it still has the tag. She sent me a picture of the
tag and the tag said Frank's Nursery. Oh really, which is where I
used to work, So circa whatyear now, I mean, how old
would this be? Well, speakingof history, Tiger, Yeah, yeah,

(24:22):
I was working at Frank's in thein the seventies. Okay, so
I would imagine that i'd have tocheck on help me find but I imagine
the rose came out in the sixties. Yeah, it's kind of a bold
statement to say this rose is extinct, no longer exists when when because you
haven't seen it in a while.I mean, it's kind of a blanket

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statement. It's like the Golden Toadof New Zealand, right, Costa Rica,
Costa Rica. Yeah, exactly.Why did I say New Zealand?
But because you like New Zealand,I want to go back now, The
reason I was saying New Zealand isbecause I had a New Zealand rose that
was going under my window and Imoved it near the terra cotta that I
was just looking at. One wordterra cotta. I don't know if that's

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one word or two word terracotta.But the terra cotta rose and the New
Zealand, the terra cotta rose couldbe from New Zealand, and my New
Zealand rose is named after New Zealand. You see why I got the Redwood
newsletter confused. Yeah, I understandyour article on the Redwoods. Yeah,
you know, you know what youryour comment right now in the lemon Chiffon

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rose, John just made me thinkof something. By the way, the
lemon Chiffon is a perfect hybrid teayellow and in fragrant. It's why why
would that rose even go out ofbeing grown spectacular? Sorry to interrupt you.
Sorry. You know why I interruptyou, by the way, just
quickly, is because I know youwill not lose your train. I was

(25:51):
going to say the same thing exactly. I was going to say, it
doesn't matter because who know exactly whathe started going to say right what he
started to say, but I wasjust anyway, just sympathizing. I was
just going to sympathize with all theRose people out there, because back in
that sixties, seventies, eighties,nineties, they sold roses with these wonderful

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metal tags were on each dog tagsand it would last. There was only
one company in the country that madethose tags. To oh really, yeah,
wow, that's shocking to me thatonly one company made those tags.
But they made it, and theymade it a metal tag and the words
were what would you call that bebled? They were they were impressioned on the

(26:40):
like if you were going to makea dog tag or something like that.
It was like a like punched out. Yeah. They were so even if
it faded still there still knew whatit was. You can still make out.
And they made them out of ametal that really didn't I don't know,
stainless steel, I don't know whatit was, but like they didn't
really I could picture it galvanized.It didn't break down. And so so
you know that rose could be fiftyyears old and you'd go up to it,

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look at the bottom and there'd bea little metal tag. You'd say,
oh, this is a hot cocoathis is a terra cotta one word,
you know, whatever it is.Nowadays, they don't do metal tags.
They just barely do plastic tags.They all fade. You know,
there's no real great identifiers, andso going forward, it's going to be
really hard to know what some rosesare because there would just be nothing identifying.

(27:26):
Did you see what Joseph wrote?He says, Hi, Dana,
love what you guys are doing withthe podcast. Some of my rose cuttings
are not starting, and some someare starting and some aren't. What am
I doing wrong? So this wasdirected to Dana. Well, Dana,
give him your response. Well,Dana, says Joe. They're the experts
to ask New Zealand. By theway, it would be a great Garden

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America triff. According to Dana,that would be a very expensive trip.
Yes it would, but I wouldlong to really really like to go there.
Tiger's working on our new trip rightexactly, Yeah, he is.
We're going to Pangaea. Where arewe going? Patagonia? Pagonia. I

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think Pangaea was what they called theworld. World was all together, but
it was all together. Okay,let's catch up. We've got a few
well we had can we answer Joe'squestion though, well, we have a
couple of people asking about we're goingto take a break and let I check
the clock. I stay with us. You have to remind me, well,
we're going to take a break forBIS Talk Radio. On the other
side, we'll come back and answeryour questions here on guard in America.

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Okay, we are back as peoplewatch me push buttons and look like I'm
I'm confused on the on the videothere running the computer, running the board.
Tiger's running all the video and theaudio. So this is our final
segment for those on BIS Talk Radioas far as our number one is concerned.
We come back after the top ofthe hour news at six minutes after
John back to the questions and comments. Yeah, we've got several questions about

(28:55):
rooting roses. I think, asJoey mentioned that he was rooting roses in
water, that is virtually impossible todo. I mean, I shouldn't say
impossible, but it's unlikely that you'regoing to be successful rooting them in water.

(29:19):
They usually they're not going to formroots, and if they do,
transferring them from water to soil willusually kill them. So he wants to
know is it important that they haveroots before I've put them in soil.
Well, yeah, because you're almostguaranteed that they're going to die if you

(29:41):
do that. But the way thatyou root roses from cuttings, first of
all, I'd recommend going to YouTubeand just put roses from cuttings and you
could get some ideas on how todo it. But it's important to root
them in a sterile mix. Perlitewould be ideal, but the way to
do it would be to get aone gallon zip lock bag, fill the

(30:04):
bottom third with pearl lte moist pearllte, and then dip your roses in
a rooting hormone and then just stickthem in there and seal the top and
see see how long it takes forthem to root. I've seen some will,
some won't. I've seen you dothat. Yeah, So if we're
getting, you know, results abouthow you know, sometimes they do,

(30:26):
sometimes they don't. That's the wayit is. The reason, Yeah,
Jackson and Perkins uses the metal tagsTiger they still do. That comes from
we just have to buy those,really because that's wonderful right to be able
to kind of have that name onthe planet. It's kind of an almost
forever tag. Yeah, it reallyis. I mean, you know,

(30:47):
look at that John was talking aboutthat refound rose and it still has a
tag on it and still know thename of it. I mean, when
when did Tony identify that rose?Oh it wasn't a metal tag. It
was was just actually a plastic wasit tag? Yeah? But still it
might have had a metal tag too, but the the Frank's Nursery part of

(31:08):
it was not a printed tag.What about Tiger, What about your little
tag gadget that you started to playwith? Yeah, no, I still
use it, Yeah, the littleyeah inter tag. And you made a
tag for me green Planet. Yeah, and as John said, of all
the roses I have, that's probablynot a tag I would need because it's
so obvious what it is. Bythe way, your cuttings took off,

(31:30):
didn't they from that you took frommy Green Planet right a year ago?
Yeah, we had it in theauction beautiful sold it for less than what
you paid for yours. So wellthat happens, right, It's it's almost
you know, roses and auctions arelike the economy, like the stock market.
Yeah, you never know, that'sright. Princess Chi Chi boo.
We've sold twice for under fifty dollars. Say that again, Princess chee chi

(31:53):
boo. I just like when yousay it, come here, my little
Princess chee chi boo. It wouldbe my little chi chi boo. I
lost my train of Princess Chichi boo. Oh. Yeah, so we sold
it twice and this time it wentfor over three hundred dollars. Yeah,

(32:14):
Supply and demand. What what dopeople want? You know? What's what?
What what? What's hard to findthat they can only get at the
auction. It's usually what do twopeople want? That's what drives the price.
Yeah, they both want the samething. Carlos's The Flower Patch Farms
has a great video on rose cuttings, so she refers to it often.

(32:39):
So there you go, joey oh. Back to the metal tags on roses.
There was a rose that I collectedat Desconso Gardens, which I'm virtually
sure is extinct, and if anyoneknows otherwise, please let me know.

(32:59):
But it was a rose called Susanball. And there was one at the
Huntington that was about six inches tall, and I cut it in half,
took three inches home, rooted itand then went somewhere for a few days
and came back and somebody had knockedthe pot over. It dried out and

(33:22):
it died. So the next timeI went to Disconso gardens, I don't
know if I said that's where Iwait, you said someone knocked it over.
Yeah, I think maybe the gardeneror something. Oh, okay,
this was years ago. So Imade it a point that I haven't seen
this rose anywhere else. There's nopicture of it on help me. Fine,

(33:44):
I know it's got to be reallyrare. When I go up there,
I've got to find it and convincedDisconso to dig it up to save
it. So I go up there, and if you've ever searched for roses
and gardens that you're not familiar with, I thought I remembered where it was,
but there was nothing in that area. Where do you start? Yeah,

(34:06):
So there was a person there whoworked at Wisconso that had the plot
plan of where every rose was.So they brought it out and they said,
okay, here's where it is.We walk over. There's nothing there.
Now we start digging in the grounda little bit, moving leaves and
things around, and there's a metaltag that says Susan ball the rose is

(34:27):
gone. Oh nothing was left butthe tag. But the tag, And
now that I think of it,I wish I would have saved that tag.
You know, it would be likea memory of what once was,
right finding an old coin, Yeah, an old Roman coin. So I

(34:49):
wanted to ask you, Tiger,because in the newsletter I wrote an article
about growing some vegetables and containers andsome things are easy. But do you
guys find that there's a renewed interestbecause it seems like there's more varieties of
vegetables suited to contain or growing thanthere used to be. You know,
it used to be people were planningacres with tractors and things like that.

(35:14):
But now if you've got a littlehome, you still want to grow something
right, and you still can too. I think that a lot of people's
minds if they don't have the space, well I can't grow edibles, or
I can't grow this requires a lotof space. I don't have the land.
So maybe people are realizing that thereare some you can I mean,
even that veggie pot that I hadthat you that I gave you, Tiger,
that you took not necessarily a pot, but certainly not a huge area,

(35:37):
and you could grow different varieties withinthe same soil. Yeah, And
it's funny, you know, becauseit's it's too extremes on people. You
know. Number one, people likeyou say, maybe think they can't.
They don't have the room, theydon't have the space to do it,
so they they just don't even try. But then there's the people that don't

(35:58):
realize the space wired. You know, when we talk about, you know,
growing a tomato, and we tellpeople, okay, well you've got
to in order to grow tomato,it has to be at least the size
of a you know, fifteen galloncan you know, a half whiskey barrel
sized pot would be best. Andpeople go, wow, you know,
because they're trying to grow it insome little five gallon container thinking they're going
to get tomatoes off of it.But you know, to what John was

(36:21):
saying, But that's where the growers, the developers, the breeders, readers
have been like, hey, let'smake a tomato that can be grown in
a five gallon pot. We're gonnatake We're gonna take a break, all
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(36:45):
Garden America is back if you aretuned in right now on biz Talk
Radio. This is the start,the beginning of our number two Who know
dos dude each John and I onthe same same plant so often, so
tiger before the news top of thehot we're talking about growing vegetables in the

(37:06):
land and so on and so forth. Yeah, and I was just making
a comment that breeders have now produceda lot of varieties of veggies that can
grow in small containers to grow insmall spaces because people don't have the yards,
acres the space to be able togrow, but they still want to.
So, you know, I mentionedtomatoes, that's a very common plant.
There's a lot of very compact growers. You know, John, what

(37:30):
was the name of that whole likedwarf tomato thing where people started sending in
seeds and on the internet from allover the world, the dwarf Tomato projects.
Yeah, where they were like,let's make some really cool dwarf tomatoes
or a plant little tomatoes to bepolitically correct, is that little tomato project.

(37:51):
Egg Plants is another one. Youknow, eggplants can get to be
very large bushes and they produce alarge fruit. So they were finding people
like, oh, they never grewthem because they didn't have the space,
they didn't have the ability to doit. But now they have compact varieties
peppers, other plants that you know, compact varieties, you know, and
then you can get into the thingslike you know, just the different varieties

(38:14):
of herbs and carrots and you knowall these other plants that are more designed
for containers, more designed for compactgrowing, so people can So it gives
people the option, whether they havea yard or whether they have a patio,
to grow something. But even fartherthan that now is the idea of

(38:37):
fruit production. So we're talking blueberries, raspberries, blackberries you know that are
more compact even I mean this isthis isn't really genetics or anything. But
you know, a mulberry tree,a mulberry tree grown in an ideal environment
could get to be the size ofa house, right, you know,

(38:58):
they can get to be massive trees. But you can grow a weeping mulberry
tree, which is simply the sametree but just grown grafted where the branches
are going downwards. You can growa weeping mulberry tree in an area and
it can be six feet tall byfour feet wide, and you get tons
of mulberries off of it, andyou can keep it compact and contained and

(39:21):
you still have all the benefits ofthe tree and the fruit that just like
as if you had that massive tree. It's actually even better because let's be
real, on that massive tree,you were never picking those mulberries way up
there. Those were just left,Yeah, for sure. And somebody sees
that a full grown tree like that, and the perception is, well,
I can never do that. Idon't have the room for that size.

(39:43):
When they don't realize that there's differentways to grow it. It doesn't need
to be that big. Yeah,John definitely ching up on I'm sorry John
is catching up on questions. Right. Yeah, Well, Carl I mentioned
tiny tim tomatoes. Yep, thatwould be one. Yeah, there's one
tomato. What was the one thatif you put it in anything bigger than
a six inch at dice six inchspot really yeah, it actually will fruit

(40:04):
in a forenge. But whoa whatis sure micro tom? Micro tom?
Do you remember micro town. Ithink it's a GMO plant. Well with
that. If that's the case,there's got to be a tom thumb someplace
out there, tom thumb tomato thereis. There's a tom thumb rose too.
Yeah, shocking. I throw theseout, and John rightaway says there's

(40:25):
already a rose named after that.There's a beach rose, there's a magic
rose. I'm just looking at wordsnow. One of the cuttings they brought
back from the Huntington was called magicred. Look at that. See yeah
anyway, uh John John says thatI missed a question much earlier, And

(40:45):
yes I did, because I didn'teven see it. He said. My
niece's neighbor told her that iceberg rosesaren't really roses, but some sort of
offspring from a German plant. DoI know what she's talking talking about?
She doesn't know what she's talking about. Iceberg roses are roses. The only

(41:08):
thing I'm trying to think, whatcould she be referring to mccordes, who
is a German rose breeder, wasthe one who produced the rose, and
in Germany it's called schne witzen.So what do you know what that translates
to is snow? Okay, sowhich maybe it's uh, maybe it's iceberg.

(41:35):
It's iceberg in German. It's alsowe usually call a flora bunda.
But I think it has some hybridmusk in the background. But hybrid musks
are roses, so it's I can'tI can see what I have heard people
talk about how icebergs are not rosesbecause they are not like you're seeing the
true sense of a hybrid t.You cut it back, you know,

(41:58):
all this stuff you know, yougot, you let them just kind of
they're more like a bush. Itdoesn't have the hybrid t shape maybe you
know. So, so I thinkpeople get confused because they go, it's
not really a rose. It's justa bush that looks like a rose.
But no, it's a rose.It's you know, it's just got a
you know, talking about I mighthave been a little bit too harsh on

(42:19):
your neighbor, but yeah, hewas kidding, John was kidding. Yeah,
but I was kidding. But I'vedone this myself where I've said that,
uh, what's the rose? Theyjust grew everywhere? Back at Knockout,
I would tell people, you know, knockouts. Not really a rose.
It's just a flowering shrub. Butyou know, kind of tug in

(42:40):
cheek because you don't grow it likeyou would grow a rose bush. You
grow at the exact way you'd growflowering shrubs right in same purpose. It's
more of a landscape. So thenGiant tell us about the impost rose.
What does that have to do withanything? Because he doesn't put two and
two together. No, No,I'm wondering what where your mind is going?

(43:01):
What are you thinking? Because wethat was a topic of conversation for
a long time for many months hereon Guard in America, any months,
several well, for many months.We talked about it several years ago.
So you're talking about roses that aren'treally roses, or it is a rose,
or whatever the case may be.But for those people catching up with
us now that weren't around a fewyears ago, what about the impostor rose?

(43:23):
And why do they call it theimpost rose? Oh? I see
where you're going, But I don'tthink that it's an accurate tangent and not
an accurate tangent. And the reasonis you're talking about where the name came
from with the name came. Iwant some background. We have people that
weren't with us several years ago,last week educated. Do you know?

(43:45):
So education still sole the impostor,by the way, I do not I
need that rose. I'm sure youprobably a sudden rose. After putting me
down? What are you tell Ihad one? I put you down.
I believe it doesn't have when Ihad one in my old When I moved,
I didn't bring it with me becauseI thought I could easily get wish
we had a picture of it rightnow we could put up there. Yeah,
the rose looks like a clematist.And I remember talking to star roses

(44:15):
and asked them it was in theirtest fields, and I said, you
need to introduce this. It's agreat rose. And they said, yeah,
we think we're going to call itthe clematis rose. I go,
because it looks like a clematist,right, They go yeah? And I
said, well, why don't yoube a little more creative and call it

(44:36):
the impostor, and then you canuse the marketing technique of is it a
rose pretending to be a clematist ora clematist pretending to be a rose.
So they liked that idea. Andthat's where they name the impostor came.
Okay, how much money did youget from that? Nothing? See,
why do you do that? Doyou just throw? You know, as
a marketer, a former marketer,you know better than that. But that

(44:57):
did lead to a good relationship withthem, and later on they paid me
to name roses. Okay, tencents for every rose they sold. I
got it. Sounds like that's likea royalty check. Yeah, it was.
It was as long as it camefull circle, because that was that
was Dare I say that was brillianton your part. Well over the years,

(45:17):
it probably probably gotten close to tenthousand dollars just from the roast they've
named. Okay, that works.Did you find a picture of it,
Tiger? I did. I postthe link it on to our Facebook chat,
So if you're interested in the apostlerose, there it is. There's
a lot of chatter going on inour common section Tony Road. I grow
nice tomatoes in my earth box becausein my small yard sometimes they are more

(45:42):
productive than others. It used tobe really popular community bot Yeah, are
they still not? For me?I know they were back East more popular
than they were out here in California. There was a lot of benefits to
an earth box in other areas besidesthe colored Southern California. Right, we
do know what I mean? Yeah, Like you know, I get why
it was popular, but I getwhy it was not in Southern California because

(46:04):
we don't require the same care thatsome other places needed. I mean,
the whole idea of covering it,having the plant start in it, have
that self watering aspect of it.With our weather, you don't need.
You don't need that. Yeah,yeah, so no, it's a good
product. But yeah, I'm growingpeppers. I'm growing all kinds of peppers
and one tomato, just a fewherbs and containers and all doing great.

(46:30):
Carlo loved your African violet picture andthe lace dull doily under it and brought
back memories Mom and I used tocollect them, good memories. We got
to take a break, a right, I thought you. I do have
a couple of comments on the Iwant to hit on them. Okay,
we're gonna hit comments too. Weneed to take a break for BIS Talk
Radio. And thank you to fertLoan for bringing you Guard in America each

(46:52):
and every week on Brian Maine Johnbag Nasco, Taki Pella Fox back after
these messages on BIS Talk Radio.Have a picture on the impostor, Yeah,
you want to say that rolling.Oh, by the way, we
are back. You joined us inmid conversation. That's okay. I was.
I was watching John's looking for apicture. You know sometimes people like

(47:13):
prep a drop, I stand byfor Tiger's picture of the impostor, and
it was I had to scroll downto the page. Everything was clean.
You know. There was supposed tobe a series of roses. What was
imposter series, Like, they're gonnahave different colors? No, No,
the sect. There was another rosethat followed that that we called the Charlatan.
Oh. And the reason for thatone was it could be either a

(47:37):
bush or a climber. So itwas like, how about the word pretender.
That kind of goes along with Well. The third one was supposed to
be the flim flam Man and thenthat never never never No. But wasn't
that a great idea for a series. But we are back from the break.
You can join us for our instudio conversations anytime you like, And

(48:00):
so we're discussing roses. The impostrose in the history of some of these
roses. Our friend Sue said,Tiger, I have a dalia blooming early
allied gardens early with a question mark, early with a question mark. Yes,
very early, because my dalliaun sprout. I mean even you know what
mine did this while back, also, Sue, where it like came up.

(48:24):
It never bloomed, but it cameout completely out of season and then
just went back back in the ground. Yeah so no, that is that
is very early, Yes, veryearly. That's interesting. I wonder what
caused it to come up so early. But usually it would be a heat
wave, you know, like inJanuary or February we'd get some ninety degree

(48:46):
temperatures. But that didn't happen thisyear. Yeah. So yeah, no,
very early, Sue. But takegood care of it. Enjoy it.
Now. You could be the talkof the town by having Dahia blossoms
at any event. What you hadwas at Pikaboot. Just hear you by
Rick. Do they graft roses andis it too late to prune roses?

(49:08):
Now? Rick, they do graftroses. It's not a common practice as
much as it used to be.Most of the breeding now is going toward
roses that will grow from cutting stoneroot, and the reason for that is
cost. The people who used tograft roses would actually it was one main

(49:31):
crew and they would go around theworld grafting roses because when they were done
grafting in the United States, theydidn't they were basically out of work until
the next season. But they wouldgo to the southern hemisphere and because the
seasons were reversed and they would startworking down there grafting roses and then you

(49:55):
know, take little breaks in betweenthem come back up here. But you
know, it's funny to did youever see them grafting roses tiger like in
the field? Yes, they havea cart that they rolled down the aisles
and there's a guy laying on hisstomach and they're pushing him through and he's

(50:15):
butting, you know, grafting theroses as they go along. Yeah.
Wow, Yeah, it's it's yeah, like you're saying. It kind of
became a moot point nowadays. Withthe whole point of that was disease control,
right for the most part, Yeah, I mean disease and also,
as John mentioned, they would usedifferent rootstock in different regions to make the

(50:38):
rose grow better. You know,whether it's dry or hot or wet or
anything like that. Rick did ask, though, is it too late to
prune roses? Now? He's inIdaho where I would say here, Yeah,
I mean you know already, youknow what I haven't finished. Yeah,
I do it anyway. Well no, no, no, But but

(51:00):
John brings up a good point.Okay, there's there's the way that you're
kind of educating the way you shoulddo things, which is prunia roses in
the winter when they're dormant, sothey can butt out nice and clean.
You remove all the disease foliage.The are you talking about California? Yeah,
yeah, you know. But youknow, at the same time,
I mean you can go out therein July and clean up your roses and

(51:22):
yeah, but in Idaho it's nottoo late. Yeah, that's what I
was going to ask you. SorryI went off, But in Idaho I
was going to ask you. He'sprobably still a month away from no.
No, no, their roses areare starting to grow actively. But the
problem you're run into in Idaho isthat you go to hot weather quickly.

(51:46):
Oh yeah, so it jumped.Yeah, so you can go in in
July and have a whole month ofone hundred degree plus days. Oh geez.
So so if you've got new growthcoming on and the old growth hausen
hardened. But yeah, I wouldsay if you haven't pruned, you can

(52:06):
go ahead and prune. Yeah,you got the go ahead, Rick.
And it really kind of depends alsoa bit on the type of rose,
because like we were talking about theiceberg earlier and how that's more of a
bush in the Knockout series, moreof a bush. There are those types
of roses that they're called the classis called trump. Yeah, there are
those roses that you know, Imean, hey, you can treat them

(52:29):
like any other plant. And thenthere's the roses that you know, will
you do need to prune them otherwisethey'll the stems will grow too long and
the rose will just flop over,or you know, if you'd prune them
too late, you're gonna cut offall the blooms or things like that.
By the way, one rose Idid not prune, and it it right

(52:50):
now has hundreds and hundreds, maybeeven thousands. It's not an exaggeration,
is Kendall Murray? Oh yeah,I should probably take a picture. Yeah,
we'd love to see that. It'sbreathtaking. I mean, it's beyond
my wildest dreams, have some reallywild dreams. Yeah, and this is
on the hillside right now. Yeah, so it is Hollantha Hill. It's

(53:14):
not really rambling, it's kind ofbehaved, building up on each other on
itself. But it's probably about Iwould say three to four foot tall by
about five to six feet wide.And do you think that'll be its max?
Or will it continue to go?Well, if I don't print it
back, it'll just I think it'llcontinue. You know what they say about

(53:34):
roses, Tiger location location location,Well, by the way, if anyone's
listening and they want to buy KendleMarie, you can go to Heirloom Roses
there. I think they're the onlyones that sell it. But it's one
that just keeps getting better and better. I'm just shocked the rose that keeps
on giving. Yeah, you know, it's each stem that comes out probablyrobably

(54:00):
has fifty to seventy buds in thatstem, and this rose bush probably has
time time stems to get yeah,like maybe a hundred stems with those clusters
at the one hundred times seventy.There you go, do the math,
Brian, I think we all knowthe answer to that. So Gina,

(54:23):
by the way in Idaho says herroses are all budded. Now, oh
okay, so she's got flower budson the rose, which is why ricas.
Yeah, you know, Johnny,a couple of weeks ago, you
put my picture of a pope,John Paul in the newsletter. And then
last night I went outside and Ididn't see these blooming. Necessarily would have
cut them and brought him in thehouse. It was at its peak.

(54:44):
It was the biggest, it wasthe biggest bud. And I said to
Dana, it's peaked. I'm notgoing to cut it. It's too late.
But enjoy it. It's just huge, just almost perfect, you know,
because of the mild weather. I'vegot some of the largest blooms I've
ever seen. It's just it's andwe're still and we're still having the mild
weather. We haven't even started yet, exactly. We we still have a

(55:07):
little ways to go. It's kindof we'll move from May gray into June
gloom pretty soon, yeah, exactly, and then fourth of July it will
be one hundred and fifty and everythingwill just die. Well, you gotta
get ready, that's you know whatthink water for paste. So Kendall Marie
compared to Peggy Martin, does itbloom similarly like you're saying, like got

(55:29):
along the stems right where Kendall Marie'sand terminal clusters, but just as many
flowers. Okay, time, Mynext video will be a Peggy Martin video.
In the lookout for Tiger's latest videos. It is break time. We
have two more segments, so thenext one's a longer segment. Do stay
with us, keep those questions commentscoming in Facebook Live Guard the America.

(55:50):
Brian Main and John bagnasco Tiger PellaFox back after these messages from our friends,
and they are good friends too.On BIS Talk Radio. Ah,
yes, it is so good toreturn. We hope you had a good
break idea of doing a daily gardeningshow. You know, he brings this
up. Okay, let me ifI was, if I wasn't working full

(56:10):
time here during the week, workingnationally for iHeart, not just locally,
we had nothing else to do.No, no, just kidding. That's
a lot of war, you knowwhat, John, that's a lot of
a lot of work and a lotof content every day. I didn't just
think about this because I think twentyfive years ago. Oh, I know
you brought up the idea. Ofcourse, of course you did. That's

(56:31):
a lot of it's a lot ofwork and a lot of content. We
could easily cover the news rights,any news, news in general comes up
this energy from We could be onthe History Channel. We talked a lot
about history energy the History channels.No more, it's history, is it

(56:51):
really not? It's around Yeah.Kevin and Cardolaine Idaho, who is one
of our fellow travelers to Costa Rica, said that he's waiting for the peonies
and roses to bloom. They've justleaped out, so they're a little bit
later than southern Idaho. Friends ofmine, by the way, are driving

(57:15):
through Idaho. They left today.They're driving to Calgary, Calgary, Alberta.
Yeah, yeah, of course Itell them to watch out for the
Stampede, which is in the summertime. Is it in the summer. Yeah.
When I was playing hockey at naumy Canadian friends said, you got
to come up with the Stampede everysummer. It's wild. You got to
come up with the Stampede. Inever did. Isn't that the name of

(57:38):
their hockey team, the Calgary Stampeders. No, that's their football team.
Oh, the football team Calgary stampthe hockey team of the Flames Calgary because
they moved from Atlanta years ago,So the Atlanta Flames would make sense.
The burning of Atlanta and they movedto Calgary. Kept the name and it
doesn't make sense. Yes, theymoved from New Orleans. Yeah, yeah,

(58:04):
here's another one for you. Sothe the Phoenix Coyotes have moved.
They moved to Utah and they're havinga contest named the team because they don't
want to be because because because theyplan on keep they plan on returning to
Arizona in about four or five yearswhen the owner gets his act together.
So he retained the rights of thename Coyotes. So, but the Phoenix
team has now moved to Utah andthey have to come up with a name.

(58:29):
And there's a lot of silly namesout there. See that could be
a show we can have. Speakingof naming contest, yes, we haven't
naming contest coming up for one ofJohn's roses. Well, that's right.
And you know what Kevin talked aboutthat the Coasta Rican name. He hasn't
released a photo yet, so yeah, we gotta see this they want to

(58:51):
do to the the That was Dana. Dana's suggestion last week. Yeah,
and I said to her, stopupstaging me. I said, if John,
if John ends up naming that andall, after all the years of
me trying to give him names,I'm not naming it. It's heirloom rose.
This is going to have the contest. But they would have to know
the background of that name. Wouldn'tthey otherwise do an alias name Entrance.

(59:15):
I don't know how they're going todo it. Brian. We're going to
have Robin Jennings on the show ina couple of weeks. The Robin Jennings.
The we're playing with the big timersnow, aren't we exactly? The
hold up so far has been sheneeds pictures, he needs a picture of

(59:37):
them. We need to see therose, John to figure out a name
for the rose. They're actually created. Here's what I don't understand, Tiger.
They're growing the rose. Can't youjust go out and take a picture
of it. Do they have actual, like blooming plants right now? I
don't know, but I would hope. So, Okay, what's the point
of having a contest promoting a rose? If you don't have anything to sell,

(01:00:00):
right, But are they blooming wherethey're at where they're in St.
Paul, Oregon. So they mightnot have anything now south of south of
Portland. Just because southern California bloomsyou around, doesn't mean that's possible.
I sent them the pictures that Ihad. I had three pictures. I
had a picture of it in avase which I had entered into the San

(01:00:24):
Diego Rose Show, and one bestseedling about three years ago, and then
I've got one of a plant inmy garden and then a close up.
So but you know, I don'tknow that they're the best pictures. I
wasn't thinking at the time I tookthose pictures that this was going to be

(01:00:45):
used to have a name contest.Yeah, I see your I see your
point. I see your point.Tanya has two questions for you or two
question marks for you? Yeah,I saw that stampede. Stampede. Yeah,
well the Calgary Stampeters is the footballteam. What is she wants to

(01:01:06):
know about the Calgary stand? Youknow what, I think it's like a
rodeo party, like a Woodstock musicand just a huge celebration. But I
think a rodeo right. Yeah,So it's not an actual stampede. It's
not like the Running of the Bull. It's not. Okay, no,
no, they don't have like horsesrunning through the streets. Account you're not
going to get knocked over. It'slike a festival and you go up there

(01:01:29):
and there's and there's a rodeo andthere's concerts, a huge fiesta, like
a huge fiesta. Got it?Okay, I have a daily called Fiesta.
But there's also like you're wondering,Yes, there's a rose called Fiesta,
but you know it's I. Iam looking for a hibiscus called Fiesta
right now. It's not a veryunique hybiscuits. It's a very common one.

(01:01:50):
But I have a customer that wantsthat one specifically, and I have
not found it. Does he knowwhat it looks like? Otherwise I'd say
just give them one and say thisis what it is. But the is
this is like a box store hibiscusthat I should be. I think Monrovia
came up with it, right orthey used to grow it. Yeah,
I mean it's very common one.This isn't very unique or anything. Oh
it's pretty one of my favorite ones. Yeah, but I can't find it

(01:02:14):
like nobody's growing it, and andthe problem with that sometimes is like what
you said, a company will growit for box its stores, but that
just means nobody else will grow it. So it's actually really hard to find
when that company is not producing it. You know what? Oh, I
guess so you guys don't buy anythingfrom Altman's right, because they probably do

(01:02:34):
mainly Yeah, box stores, No, but they would they would be someone
that would probably have it. Well, I don't know what I was going
to mention is that our rosebuddy pingLimb is also breeding hibiscus ooh, and
his series of hibiscus would be somethingpeople would want to get hold of.
But I can you give me acouple that look like yesterday? I can
just sell to this he knows whatit looks like. Isn't that the funny

(01:03:00):
thing? Like? Have you everJohn, have you ever bought in purchased
a rose okay plant and grown itand then later on looked at it and
be like, that's not what Ipurchased, that's not yeah, that's not
what I wanted. Or they toldme I was wrong. Yeah, they

(01:03:22):
told me it was this name,and I come to find out that's not
what it is. It's just notwhat I expected for the area. No,
Like, for instance, like let'ssay you're you're in the marketplace.
Let's say you're in the marketplace forterra cotta. You go into the nurture,
you see terracotta on the shelf,like I really want that rose.
Well, then terracotta comes out andI'm not saying it's yellow when it was

(01:03:43):
supposed to be kind of orangish red. But let's say it's more like pink.
And you're like, that's not terracotta. That's not what I thought
it was going to be sold underan assumptive name. Yeah. Have you
ever ever do we call that misslable? Yeah? But I mean, but
have you ever had that? Haveyou ever caught that? Because I feel
like I feel like there's so manytimes where like like, what's really okay,

(01:04:09):
Salvia Lucantha, Salvi Lucantha's Mexican stage, but there's Salvia Lucanta Midnight,
there's Salvia Lucanta Regular, there's SalviaLucanta compacta. And there's a few other
ones I've seen it where landscape companieshave made the mistake where they planted like
three of one and then all ofa sudden, there's this different one.
It's still a Salvia lucanta, butit doesn't match the other three, you

(01:04:30):
know, And it's like, wasthat when mislabeled or did they just pick
up the wrong one? I don'tknow, But have you ever caught a
plant that you purchased being the wrongplant and they told you that it was
only miss labeled? But did youactually like be like oh, or did
you just forget about it completely?Well, since I can't remember, I

(01:04:51):
would say I forgot complete. See, that's the thing with plants, like,
for instance, if you apploach,if you purchased a purple crape myrtle,
cree myrtles don't bloom till the summer, okay, so you can have
that plant for eight months before yousee it flower. And or I brought
let's say I purchased a plant.I brought it in. I really wasn't
aware, but somebody told me thatit was this plant or this name,

(01:05:13):
and I brought it in and youguys said, that's not what it is.
Who sold that to you? Exactly? Well, the guy at home
Deepot told me, you go,well, that's not even that's not what
it is. That's not even theright space. Yeah, yeah, I
know, I know what you're saying. I know, I know exactly because
because I've been at a at abox store, you know, now and
then, and even in my limitedknowledge, you'll be talking to somebody and
I'll go, that's not no,that's not what that they're selling you high

(01:05:35):
biscus and it's a hydrangea. Yeahexactly, Kevin Tucson knows what you're talking
about. Tiger, She says.It happens all the time in Cannis.
Oh yeah, yeah, that's hardbecause they go away completely, you divide
them and then you plant them upagain, and us are mislabeled all the
time. You don't buy them untilthey're a plant. But like meaning you

(01:05:59):
don't know what it's going to looklike and tell flowers and this is kind
of like when we got to takea break here, but during the auction,
you know what John will have onthe overhead projector it's not blooming,
but this is what it's going tolook like when it does bloom. If
you're gonna been on this, justjust know that it's going to be this
and hopefully it is that in thefuture. Anya says, that her mother
Todter never buy a rose unless yousee it in blow. There you go,

(01:06:21):
kind of what we're talking about.Our final segment coming up. We'll
see you on the other side hereon guard In America. Ladies and gentlemen,
those on biz Talk Radio Facebook Live, we have reached the final segment
of this weekend's Garden America's show.I'm glad you could join us. A
lot of people tuned in stay withus. We have another eight minutes or
so to go before we say officiallysay goodbye. John. First time in

(01:06:43):
a while, our friend from PakistanStan has join us. I saw that
he got two little hearts. Heloves the show. We love you,
my friend, We do. Andthen Tiger, did you see what Carlo's
question was about roses? I'm looking. If we can't find it, Carla,
you can repeat it or rewrite it. Well, well, Tiger's looking

(01:07:04):
for that. John says that hisAustralian finger lime is struggling and losing its
leaves. He said he acclimated itfor two weeks and put it in a
sixty inch pot. The soil's moistbut not wet. Suggestions Hm, there

(01:07:25):
there's a couple things you could do. One is see if you can get
some HB one O one. Thereyou go and mix a capful of that
in a watering can with any kindof organic water soluble and pour it over
the top of the plant and thenmake sure the soil does dry out.

(01:07:45):
He said that the soil is notwet, but well, I'm just saying,
don't let it dry out a little. You don't want to keep the
soil wet all the time while theroots are acclimating. But the HB one
will really help a lot. Sothat was you know, mixed with a
liquid kelp or something, and bypouring it even if the leaves aren't doing

(01:08:09):
well, that can shocked not shockthe plant, but spur it onto growth
just through the stems itself. Ithink it's unusual because a lot of people
think, well, let me justpour it downto the soil or into the
soil, and in this case withHB one oh one, just poured over
the plant like it's taken a shower. Sherry wants to know what kind of

(01:08:29):
soil I recommend for bumping up thebohemia that she and I both just got
from Gabriel Plants. I think weknow the answer to that, right,
John, our favorite soil, Well, what's the Is there a soil you'd
recommend tiger for sitters? No?No, this one was for the bohemia,
the pink Bohemia. Oh. Iused the Happy Frog, but I

(01:08:55):
was wondering if there was a fertileloam soil. No, no, I
mean yet, any good And theylike water a bit, so you know
any kind of potting so happy frogor the amused to. I put mine
into a I think it was afive inch pot and I use just the
Happy Frog potting soil and then puta little bit of organic food, just

(01:09:17):
a tiny bit in, and it'sprobably grown in just a little over a
week, almost an inch. Yeah. I mean. Balina Is are one
of those trees that you know cantolerate going dry, but they also will
respond really well to lots of water. So if you want it to grow

(01:09:42):
faster, fertilizing water regularly, butat the same time, it'll it'll tolerate.
You have HB one on one atthe nursery, right, Yes,
you bring me a bottle next week, I'll remind you. Yeah, okay,
if you're giving it away, I'lltake a give it with thirty bucks
a bottle. Right, yeah,something like that's pretty expect. But here's
the thing. Of all the ofall the products we recommend, nine out

(01:10:04):
of ten times you'll see a result. He'll be amazed. This stuff.
Stuff is magic. Yes, don'task us how it works or why.
Yes, I got Carlo's question.Is it the one about the hose?
Yeah, okay, so she wasasking a question. Her hose nozzle leaks
when she threads it onto the hose, and you know that it sounds like

(01:10:27):
the hose. Yeah, well itsounds like the hose. Male part of
the hose is kind of maybe alittle bit tweaked where whatever nozzle she puts
on there, it's not threading onproperly. You're not Remember you're not alone.
Somebody did make a comment about thewasher, and sometimes you know,

(01:10:50):
you need to put in one ortwo washers in there to make it work
and seal properly. And even ifyou're is a washer and they're sometimes replacing
the washer works as well. Right, But then I was gonna say,
if that's not it, Carla,the other thing that you can do is
buy some teflon tape, which isjust a white plastic tape. You plumbers

(01:11:13):
use it whenever that's threading material ontopiping, and that acts as a sealant
and it sticks to It's almost likeputting a spackle on. But it wraps
tight. Yeah, wraps tight.And then when you thread piping on there
and it allows you to thread,yeah, it'll it'll seal better. So
I don't know if that would helpyou, but it might because that stuff

(01:11:38):
works pretty well. Yeah, Soagain, check the washer, maybe a
new washer, maybe two washers.If that's not working, if it's more
coming out of the threaded part,because maybe the mail end is dented or
you know, somebody stepped on itor something, then maybe the teflon tape
would help you with that. Thatteflon tape, it's like duct tape to

(01:11:58):
me, but it's not sticky,it's not sky meaning it's not like a
tape that you can use to liketape up something. But you're but it
still allows you to threat. CorrectJohn, did you want to We got
a couple of minutes. Did youwant to attempt? Hostam? Are you
looking at his question? I wasjust reading it now, he says,
is we're discussing hibiscus at at theirnursery. A customer asked a question about

(01:12:20):
hibiscus for making hibiscus tea. AndI know there's a specific variety for hibiscus
tea and what is it? Yeah, and what is it? Tiger's going
to look that up real quick becauseI've got about a minute too here toward

(01:12:42):
the end. Well, if not, we can you know what, I
can put a an article in thenewsletter about making hibiscus tea. How about
that? There you go, Okay, there's another reason to subscribe to the
newsletter. Hush Tom. John isgoing to organize and put together an article
and we'll go from there. Hibiscusand then John will correct me. Yeah,

(01:13:03):
sabdr riffa Okay, so it's aspecific species. Yeah, that's the
one they use. That's the onethat they use, and they use that
one for hibiscus tea. They alsouse that one for Hamika, which is
the red Mexican Mexican not Spanish Mexicandrink. Yeah that they is made out

(01:13:26):
of hibiscus flowers. Hamika is made. And there you go, And with
that we have to say goodbye,Thank you boy. Great turnout today as
far as people on Facebook live watchingthe show, listening to the show.
Those on BIS Talk Radio, thankyou very much. We're going to take
the rest of the weekend off,go to our regular jobs during the week,
and come back to here next weekendhere on Garden America for the entire
crew, Tiger Palafox, John Magnasco, I'm Brian Maine. Thank you for

(01:13:48):
supporting us. Thank you to Fertilomfor sponsoring Guard in America. We'll see
you next week. Have a safeweek. Until then, get growing America. Take care

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