1-14-24 Hour 1 Predator Hunting

Jim's guest tonight, Lance Brantley discusses all aspects of predator hunting. Topics include coyote and bobcat habits, scouting and calling techniques and sequences. Check out Lance on Facebook at On track K9 and drone deer recovery services. Telephone: [phone].

Episode Transcript

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h a s. We came fromthe West Virginia coal Mines and the Rocky

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mountains in the West Truce, China. I got a shot gun or rifle
in a pool wheel drive, anda country boy can survive weak a skin
a buck and run a truck line, and a country boy can survive a

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evening, everybody, gmpistrators here andtonight addition of demonstrator outdoors, I think
you're gonna like this one because there'sa whole lot of interest in the subject
and there's so much to learn,and I'm talking about predator hunting. Predator

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hunting just growing by leaps and boundshas captured people's interest because it keeps you
outdoors throughout courtions of the year whendeer seas and other things are not in
vogue, and it is a fascinatingsport. And I've enlisted the help of

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a friend of the program. He'sbeen on with us in the past.
His name is Lance Brantley, andsome of you folks who listened to program
probably remember he's the owner of onTrack Canine and Drone Deer Recovery Services,
and Lance, in addition to runningthat business, is a very very avid

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coyode hunter and our predator hunter,and he's hunted daytime them in nighttime.
Bobcats, foxes, and cows.Primary thing we're gonna cover tonight as couts,
but I've had a lot of folksask for information about how to hunt
bobcats, because, as you probablyare aware, bobcat hunting is daytime only.

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So as we go through the programtonight, we're gonna talk about daytime
tactics, and then as we progress, we're going to switch gears and talk
about night hunting, which is allthe rage right now, and for good
reason. It again gets you outdoorsat times when other activities are kind of

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winding down. And most importantly,it's good for predator control, and that
is something that's sorely needed with theproblems that we've got with Turkey's predation on
fon deer during the breeding season.You know, coouts, a lot of
people don't realize they're not a nativespecies. They're not indigenous to our region

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of the country. They pretty muchinvaded our area when the Ohio River froze
in nineteen seventy eight. Most ofy'all may recall the river freezing during that
period, and I was writing forthe Curry Journal at the time, and

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it was one of the first folksto actually observe the coots getting here,
wrote articles about it, and we'vedone predator shows in the past. But
I'm really tickled to have Lance ontonight because he hunts several different types of
habitats. He's killed forty some cooutesalready this year and again he's hunting them

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day and night, and he hasa hundred bobcats. So you asked Bart,
you got it. So again we'retalking predator hunting tonight. So if
you have any questions for Lance ormyself, you can call us at five
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the local area. Would be gladto entertain any calls if you've got questions
about what we're going to talk abouttonight. So without further ado, I'm
going to go to a quick breakand again coming back from break where we
talking with Lance Bradley. I'm reallylooking forward to it. He's a very

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astute guy. He's the kind ofperson that participates in all kinds of outdoor
activities, and he's a very studiousindividual and he's agreed to share some of
his secrets about how to be successfulat Predator honeting. This break is presented
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friends at SMI Marine. Then we'reback on Jim Straight or Outdoors and again
we're talking tonight with Lance Brantley.He's the owner of on Track Canine and
Drone Deer Recovery Services. He's alsogot a new ventures called Muddy Flats Flatz

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Boat Fishing Store in Katawa, Kentucky. Lance, can you hear me?
Okay, yes, sir, Howare you loud and clear? All right,
buddy, Well, I'm delighted tohave you back on the program.
We did a I thought a greatdeer recovery show here in the past,
and I became aware through our mutualfriend Larry the Lines, that you were

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really into cold honey, and youwere one of those fellas when you get
into stuff, you really get intoit. And I'm delighted to have my
wife. I keep my wife veryproud, that's for sure, all right,
buddy. Well, uh, you'reinto a lot of things. I

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want to give people a feel forwhat you do. You compete in chyld
hunting tournaments, you compete in bowlfishing tournaments. You're very, very driven
that way, which is a goodthing. And of course you have your
dog tracking business with Hank, who'sa legendary bloodhound. How old is Hank?

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Now, what's seven? Eight yearsold? I guess he's seven years
old, turned seven. He wasborn on nine to eleven September eleven,
Yes, sir, okay, anduh, during that period you've recovered more
than four hundred and fifty deer Ithink you told me, and have you
got it here? Have eighty percentsuccess rate, which is phenomenal. The

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reason I'm bringing out that being there, that's at the abercent of getting to
the deer. A lot of thetrackers say, well, that's that's BS,
but no, that's getting to thedeer dead or alive. Now they're
not always dead, but he runsabout abercent, susays on tracking to the
animal. Okay, Well, thereason I'm bringing you up that aspect is
because I have a question and it'sit's I think it'll interest people in your

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dog tracking. A lot of usthat have wounded deer with archery equipment or
with a gun have had problems withcoats getting on there and ruining the meat
and interfering with what the situation is. And you shared with me you've got
some thoughts about that to pass alongthat I think you know appropriate in our

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discussions about count predation. Sure.Yeah, on on far as like shots
and deer deer, I mean faras the you asked me what the odds
were, I guess you know,the COLDI is getting on these deer.
How often I see it, itseems like the later in the season,

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you know, with a lot moreissues we let a deer set overnight as
far as the colder weathers when theyreally really seem to work on the harder
and early is not as much.Or if these deer have been pushed a
long distance that we feel like thefurther they push them, the greater the
odes of caldy crossing their path andtrailing them down, because obviously it's a

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longer trail and greater opportunities that acount would would find that trail. Correct,
Yes, sir, okay, lanceback to who you are. You've
hunted couchs extensively back when there wasnot a night season, and we're going
to talk about those tactics, etcetera. But I'd like you to kind

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of tell folks how big a differencethat's made that they finally opened it up
for night hunting. Well, sincethere's a nice season, you definitely see
a whole lot less that's for sure. I think they they've definitely put a
big dinner in them, Like Ihave several buddies that do it also,
And depending on where they're located,there's there's areas that has a whole lot

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more population. I mean I knowsome guys that they kill over one hundred
a year. So I mean,as you know that, that's definitely saving
a lot of funds and pray,you know, rabbits and everything, quel
birds, all that sword. Imean, it's definitely helping there. But
yeah, I mean even on huntingthem, you had to I mean the
hunting pressure. You can even feelit just hunting the cows, I mean

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you've got to kind of change yourtechniques and adapt. They they definitely gotten
a lot smarter, yes, sir, Well, to your point about taking
them out of the environment. Youknow, you get a kick out of
some of these folks would say,well, if you knock the numbers back,
they breed more. It's a revolvingdoor deal. It's really not,

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because there's a certainty about one thing. And I'm not saying this to be
funny. The one you kill isone that's not gonna breed or pray anymore.
Yeah, somehow that seem to getlost in these conversations that I don't
understand it because I'm a guy.See a count kill a cout. As

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I mentioned, they're not native andeveryone we can get rid of is one
that's not going to have an impact. Yes, and there is some truth.
The more they're killed, the morethey breed. But you also got
to think, you know, thoseyoung dogs are the uneducated, So if
they breed more and there's hunters inthat area, you know, it may
be the second or third generation beforethey really start seeing the numbers decrease.

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But you know, like here,the educated, older dogs are the horrible
was a call. So this day, the areas that got hit where they
killed a lot of the younger dogs, they go back the following year there's
that many more younger dogs to getkilled, So so they kind of they
the guys that I know they kill. The better numbers are populations are heavier,
but they're killing those young dogs.So with time you start seeing those

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numbers gradually start fading back out.Yes, sir, and yes it does.
What fascinated me and one of thereasons I chose you is that,
yes, is your knowledge about naturein general, Like I mentioned, your
very behavior studious about things, andeven your boat fishing has taught some things

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about kyles. Can you tell folksabout how that correlates? Because I'm a
firm believer, more well rounded andoutdoorsman is the better they become in all
phases of it. Sure, Imean a lot of it is when I
go into something, I mean justhunting a little bit of everything. It's
learning small detail. I mean,if I'm tray, if I'm hunting a

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prey animal or a fish, youknow, I look at what they target,
what their food so horses is,and what their predators are, and
depending on how much pressure or whattheir food horse may be, it's how
they're going to act. But there'salso you know, moon phases. There's
a lot of variables. But youknow, the barometer, for one,
that's something that affects fish a lot, and it also fixed affects coyotes.

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I've even noticed, you know what, and this is me personally. I'm
not saying it's not different in theirdifferent areas, but where I hunt,
it seems like around thirty on thebarometer. If it gets much above that
or if it's high, they're lessvocal on most nights. And that don't
mean they're not callable, but youmay have better luck running and say more

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distress because naturally they're not even youknow, haling a lot themselves that you're
going to play more natural, youknow it, things like those nights,
those nights I might be more effectivewith the rest of a rabbit or you
know, a bird distress or someof that sort. Yes, sir,
and we're gonna get in depth aboutwinning and you know what type of calls
to use, because it's just it'sa fascinating subject. Uh lance, What

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do you see about weather correlation betweenfish and couch Because I'm a big believer
in, uh, increased movement withfrontal systems coming through, especially you know,
nasty weather coming, a lot ofrain coming. It seems like fish
in game and especially higher order predatorsor are very sensitive to that. What

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are your thoughts on it? Isee that the same. I mean with
the fish, it seems like thehigh pressure front before a system gets here.
I mean, you know, Iguess that's the everything that you know,
the press or in prey. Theyseem to key off that and if
they can feel, you know,this weather coming, they're definitely gonna feed
up, you know, before beforeit hits. I think that's nature's way

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of telling them. And and andthe fish I notice it. And then
sometimes with a fish, you know, it's it's where that foods horse is
located. On the water scale,you know, there's there's some you know,
barometers, it's it's lower. Soyou got to kind of base what
you can off that and target differentareas than you would on a normal night.
And just like the kyloties, youmay you may be focusing on more

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ditchlines or more areas you can seethem out, you know, feeding it.
It's pretty common to kayode around thelower areas or a ditchline over side
the river, you know, andthat I guess there's more habitat, more
rabbits, more mice, places ofno areas so you would want to target
that versus maybe in the woods oror in an open field, you know,

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where you're less likely to see them, Yes, sir. And one
of the things that kind of getsunder my skin a little bit, quite
frankly, is the fact that wedon't have the ability to hunt bobcats at
night. You know, hunting's hunting. There are limits. So I don't

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understand in the scheme of things,why as they look at this going forward,
they're not going to integrate. Imean, it only makes sense to
me that that's when the majority ofpeople are hunting coyotes now, and bobcats
are a preyer at this point,the definitely need control. What are your

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thoughts on that. I'm never reallyunderstood why the bobcats wouldn't permit it at
night. I mean, that's definitelyputting the odds in your favor. And
I mean they're they're pretty devastating onthe small game also and even deer and
and whatnot. I've never really understoodthe reasoning behind that either myself. Okay,

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And uh, of course I'm abig advocate for bobcats to be taken
during the entire dear gun season aswell, because that's when people we're out
there with rifles, that's when they'rein the woods. And it seems to
me like that's just good logical predatorcontrol opportunity. Yes, sir, y

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idea. I don't really know whatthey're thinking is on that. Well,
as time goes on, folks,contact there's district commissioners. Let them know
that they really want that season.That would be a good thing. So
my advice there to folks is findout who your district commissioner is. Your

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Fishing Wilife commissioner is right there onthe Kentucky Department of Fishing Wilife Resources website.
Let them know your thoughts about thisbecause we definitely need to be doing
predator control LANCE. As you know, I do trapping programs during the year
because I'm a big believer in trappingis an adjunct and that's something that I

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think is really really necessary. SoLANCE throughout the program here, we're going
to talk a lot, I thinkcoming back from break, Uh you do
well to talk about couchs, everythingabout their breeding, to territories, uh,
you know, just the biology ofthe printer. And then we'll get

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into the calling and we'll integrate toBobcat probably in the hunting port. We'll
start out with daytime because some folksare out your invested that equipment to hunting
night because it is a bit expensive. All Right, I got to go
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When we're back with Lance Brantley,we're talking predator hunting. We're gonna talk
Bob Kat, Kyle and some aboutfox as well. Uh, Lance,
let's start out with the colt andwhat the critter is, and by that,
I mean let's talk a little bitabout its breeding habits, Uh,

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how they have territories. You know, let's talk about the biology of the
animal, and then we'll integrate thatthat uh information into the techniques here a
little later. Can you tell usabout colds in general, Yes, they're
on the on the breeding. We'regetting close right now. It's they're not
like deer in really where they allkind of come in at one time.

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It's more spread out. I thinkit starts here the end of January into
February all the way into March.On the breeding and they when when we
get into breeding season, and theydefinitely get a lot more aggressive, a
lot more territorial and and helping onthe hunting side of that. Playing breeding
sounds, a lot of female houselong house stuff of that sort can be

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effective. And also fights. Youknow a lot of these. It's nothing
anymore to get online and you canbuy a lot of different fights sounds.
Some of them are better than others. But you you play a fight close
to their dinning area, if theyhadn't been called at, it's almost a
sure thing they're gonna come in investigated. Okay, again, we'll get into

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those aspects of tail here a bit. Uh talk about their gestation rate and
number of pups and their their otherhabits. If you would, I think
on the number they for lance,I'm losing you, can you hear me?

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Okay? Yes, sir, yougot me. Yeah, you're still
breaking up a bit? Go ahead, I apologize. I ain't the best
signal. Are you out of thehouse? Uh? What about now?
We cleared up? Yes, sir, are you there, buddy, Yes,

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sir, all right, hopefully it'sa clear up now. Uh.
Anyhow, sixty three day cycle onthe pups, you where'd you lose me
at, mister Jim you're fans,You're you're on track all right. Anyhow,
I don't know where you lost methere. But but on the what

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were you what was the question youasked me about their gestation and the number
of pups and they're many habits,yes, sir, about sixty three days
is what I've been read. Thatthey hold the pups where they have them,
and it's usually four to seven puffs, and I'm sure that varies,
you know, how the coldy isand all that stuff. How many literacy

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had previously, I'm sure it's prettyslimilar to the regular CA nine all right,
in their mating habits. The matinghabits and timing usually from January to
about March, so we're we're gettingin and it's and it's not like a

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deer I mean, they're deer rut, you know. It's kind of kind
of more in sync with the coltyjust it's spread out there through a longer
period of time and on their cyclesthere. But they definitely. They definitely
get a lot more aggressive during thatthat mating season. Yes, huh and
uh puffs stayed with the pack.Yes, they're from the best. Like

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I said, this is you know, just studying and researching them. They
claim that that six months to twoyears old, the pack will stay together
before they push the younger cows away. You know, I got it really
terms that, yeah, sir,And they they are They tend to mate

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pretty loyally, don't they, Yes, sir, Yes, sir. They
claim the stay stay together until themale or female dies. They won't.
They won't remat until they lose onea the other, yes, sir,
okay. And then in terms offood sources, just about everything you can

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think of on their menu. They'reespecially hard on rabbits. Those of us
who were fortunate enough to hunt rabbitsa lot before colts appeared on our areas
will quickly tell you there's just notthe number of rabbits we used to have

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in any way, shape or fashion. Some of that of courses doe,
the habitat, change, loss offence, rolls and what have you with
big agriculture. But the big dealis kyounts. I mean, back in
the day, if you had anybrushy, weedy field, you had lots
of rabbits, but that's just notthe case with these colouts that we've gotten.

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Yeah, that's that's a good statement. I mean, the less habitat
in these counties are survivors. Theyseem to be able to make it when
the rabbits can't. So you havethem surviving and less habitat for your for
your prey animals. It's not agood combination, yes, sir. And
there's various types of calls, andagain we'll get into that as we get

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into those those aspects of it.Let's talk a little bit, if you
will, because I've had a lotof questions about calling Bob. You've had
experience with that. Can you talkabout the areas where you've had success and
your type of setups that work fordaytime bobcat hunting. Yeah, I personally

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have had a better look. Imean, you can find bobcats a little
bit anywhere I know they seem tobe. Well, there's a lot of
honeysuckles stick saalbriar type areas. Itseems the thicker the better, and also
like rock bluffs, if you havehuey stuff with a lot of bluffs in
it. I'm sure they get init, but I've noticed that the population

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is always a little better around thosetype areas. Okay, can you tell
folks how you would normally go abouta daytime hunt for cats and what your
strategy would be, what type ofcalls have worked best for you. I
know they're not as picky about scentor wind direction as coyotes, but can

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you give folks there. Yeah,yeah, I mean, if I'm told
it's just just bobcats, I knowthey don't worry much about the wind.
I've had good luck off of rabbitdistress and also like a lot of woodpecker
or birden distress type type noises.They they seem to really trigger off that
you with the bobcats, you know, I'm usually a little bit more patient

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with them. Sometimes they come inon a string, and sometimes they kind
of just slowly work in. Idon't know if they just if they're sometimes
they're coming out of curiosity or thetimes that they're a little faster, or
they may may be called them atthe right time with a little hungry But
but sometimes they can definitely be moreabout patient about when they do come in.

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They kind of take their time alittle more, but usually just a
distress. I mean the callers workgreat or just a you know, a
simple rabbit squeezer with a hand calldoes does wonders with Bobcats? Okay?
With Bobcat? Do you prefer rifleor shotgun or does it depend on where
you're hunting? I think it's mainlythere. You know, if you're hunting

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in the woods, a shotgun mightbe better, you know, tight quarter
tight stuff. I would I'd probablyrecommend a shotgun. Anything else, you
know, a rifle from a seventeento six or five creed more or be
pretty suitable for the job. Okay, and how about setup? Can you
describe what a what a normal setupwould be for you on Bobcat? You

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know, get in brushed? Yeah, I mean I want to be somewhat
tight to something thicker or whatever I'mtarget. And I don't mind getting pretty
tight with the Bobcats. They seemto be pretty bold and not have to
worry about the wind. You know, you're you're able to get closer to
what you need to be on habitator what habitat you think they're in.
But I do like some kind ofvisibility. I know the decoys work pretty

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good for the bobcasts. Did yougive them something to see? They seem
to speed up once they're able toget a visual on them. Okay,
any other tips about bobcasts before wego to break here. I mean,
that's kind of the basics of it. I don't have anything extraordinary on that

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side. I'll probably hunt them leaseout of all of them, but that
those techniques have definitely put you inthe game, that's for sure. Last
how long would you stay with theset for Bobcat? In other words,
at what point would you move andgo to another area? And generally speaking,
how far would you think you'd haveto relocate? I would want to

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be as a rule, and notto say, you know, every time,
place and terrains different, but Ipersonally like with a Bobcat saying forty
five minutes to an hother and Iwant to move, you know, a
half mile to a mile twenty eachset. Okay, very very good,
sir. All right, I'm gonnago to a break here. Coming back
from break, we're gonna switch gearsand talk about daytime hunting for Kylen,

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talking to land frankly about predator hunting. And we're talking and this course is
specifically about couch lance. If youwould tell folks some of your prime choices

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of habitat for hunting cout and youcan, you know, go back and
forth from day to night here ifyou want. Uh. But in other
words, let me give you someexamples pasture habitat versus cornfields, soybean fields.
Uh, you know, if youhad to describe some of your places

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that really get your attention, canyou share that with folks? Yeah?
Yeah, I mean pasture is alwaysa good one. I mean pasture,
chicken houses, hog houses, stuffof that sort. Where I mean they
you know, all these places havecarcass files and stuff. And the colties
really seemed accumulating those areas. Imean, that's that's definitely target areas.

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Oh, and river bottoms I've hadgood luck on river bottoms where there's you
know, on the edge of therivers, seem like there's good habitat and
for whatever reason they I'm sure it'sdue to food soors, but they seem
to accumulating them. Area's pretty goodalso. Okay, how about crop fields.
Do you see a difference between cornfieldand sobean fields for example? Yeah,

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I mean it's give or take,but overall, I feel like I
have better luck on the corn fields. I'm sure that's due to you know,
the it seems like there's more foodalso for you know, the rabbits
and everything else that eats on miceand stuff of that sort. We we
definitely try to target that over youknow, a bear disk field or something

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something like that where there's there's nota lot of food sores. Okay,
what kind of cover types do youfeel hold more cows than another? Do
you like, for example, youknow, toterspersed with briar habitat, or
do you prefer weedy areas? Youknow what what really gets your attention?

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Both both are good. I meandefinitely the thicker the better. I mean,
that's kind of as a rule.If it's c RP or set aside
stuff or you know, it getstricky. You got to have I like
the area that that has something thicklike that, but also has maybe an
agriculture field beside it where I cancall them into where I can see them.

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Especially in the daytime hunt. Youknow, the visibility you can you
can kind of cheat at now onyour setups. You you don't have to
actually a dark night. You canliterally get out in the field and and
call, you know, from rightout in the field and not be seen.
Where in daytime you got to kindof pick your pick your poison,
find your places you know you canalso see and have a good chance of

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calling and kind of play the windat that at that also all right,
and then scouting, give us sometips about how you scout. I know
you mentioned sirens and what have you, but there's different strategies there for day
and night. Can you describe howyou scout to know how good an area

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is before you move into hunting.Yeah, I mean, I like and
that that'll help a daytime goy muchas anything is. You know, a
lot of deer hunters run trail cameras. If you're getting a lot of pictures
of caldies. You know, whenyou're trail camera, that's obviously a good
place to target. But I cango around A lot of times is go
out and shake the farms, andI'll get permission to hunt, and before

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I hunt it, I'll go inthere. Sometimes if I'm not hunting,
I may locate them and go tothem right away, or if it's a
daytime hunt, I locate on havea pretty good idea where they're dinning or
where they're staying. And once youestablish that, you kind of beat it
a whole lot because the closer youare to their area, the better succession
you're going to have. Obviously withcalling, so if you if you take

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the time and you know, runa siren or even a you know,
if you've got an e caller,you run like a group sir, and
they they really seem to key offthat that they answer it and that helps
a lot of locating. Uh,the siren I like a lot when in
some nights they just don't have goodSo if you go out one night and
you don't have a lot of luck, you know, sometimes just go out

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the next night and like I talkedabout the barometer, you know, some
nights they just they just don't seemto sound off as much. But you
know, when everything's right, ifyou do it enough, you you just
start getting a response. And withthe siren, you're not educating onto a
caller. And that's that's something thatI've stared up in the past on over
hunting places because you go in thereand hit office sour or a how or

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even serenade. You know, onceyou leave that area, a lot of
times that calotia comes start snooping aroundout of curiosity a little bit later,
and and with time they can theycan put that human sit in that collar
together, and your call success togo down a whole lot. So you'll
recommend this sire ain't more than anythingreally when I'm just trying to locate Okay,

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Yeah, I know you know frombeing out in nature as much as
I am, if the siren goesoff in any proximity to a pack of
cows, they're gonna they're gonna yoldat it. I mean, it's just
like in their DNA and it's areal real trigger. Oh yeah, So
when you have located a pack ofcolts or you know, cowts in an

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area, uh, And we'll getinto how territorial they are. We talk
about call them, but what wouldyou say, is the average chair y
if you hear a pack sound off, how far would you move before you
feel like you're you know, locatinga different group of animals. I kind
of play that with a scenario ofmen. If I'm in an area that

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has several packs of cayoties, thenI may, you know, move a
half mile if if they're kind ofspread out more than I want to be
at least a mile from my lastcalling. Now, properties and landscaping kind
of determines that if there's a lotof creeks or or areas that you know,
these dogs kind of have their ownlittle property area and sometimes a creek

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or something like that may divide itor where you may be able to get
by with this going you know,a quarter of a mile when we're setting
up again and it's still having success. Okay, all right, folks,
stick with us. We got abreakthrough the news. Coming back from news,
we're going to talk about setups,type of calls. He starts with
the type of calls that work beston various times of the season. We'll

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