11-16-25 - Kentucky and Indiana Gun Seasons

Tonight, Jim and Scott give a breakdown on Kentucky and Indiana gun seasons and rut reports.

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 2 (01:00):
Into this season, there was so much production of red
and white oak acorns in most areas, and then we
had some EHD impact in western Kentucky which actually changed
our direction on getting up more towards northern Kentucky and
taking advantage of having more than one area to hunt

(01:22):
and capitalize on that. But with the wind and the foliage,
the fog, the temperatures being above average, we just went
thick and we didn't back out in that pattern and
utilizing that cover and allowing just the natural progression of

(01:42):
the rut as long, with the progression of hunters being
in the woods not only hunting, but getting things together
for season tracking deer. It just it allowed for us
to have quite a bit of movement and activity through
the areas in which we jumped in and we stayed there.
We didn't we didn't get impatient.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
We dug in and and digging in paid off in
a big way. So uh, I killed my buck on
opening the morning, and my wife was able to capitalize
and kill a significantly larger deer than I did. She'll
be glad that I told you that the last night.
So it uh uh, it couldn't have happened to a

(02:25):
better person. And she uh, she put her time in
and and she gave me a lot of credit for it,
But she's the one that made the shot, and she's
the one that put the time in and the stand
and and big deer, just don't slip by you because
you're in the right spot. You've got to You've got
to do your part. She's becoming quite the hunter. And
I'm very proud of her. I love her very much

(02:45):
and and uh truly mean that it couldn't happen to
a better person.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Well, it's a it's a special thing when you're you,
your wife and your daughter scored all of you killed
last bucks Morgan's buck to your point, man that she
mass have been tall. I mean, this is a trophy
deer by anyone's standards. And here a little bit down
the road, I'm gonna have a Facebook post where I'm
gonna show what all my rally friends have harvested so

(03:13):
far this year. I'm still sitting on a tag and
I got a real bad taste in my mouth about
a missed opportunity, which I'll talk about another time. But
still a lot of season left, a lot of things going.
I'm gonna go to break and Scott coming back from break,
let's talk about the weather hats impact that you mentioned

(03:33):
the EHD. We're gonna have a lot of discussion about that.
We're also gonna talk about some of the taxis that
have worked so far. We're gonna give us some ideas
that we're gonna share about how to hunt going forward.
And we're gonna talk about how this is by anyone standards.
As far as I can tell from talking to legions

(03:54):
of people just like you, this has been a weird rut,
a really weird rut. So we're gonna break all that
down now, folks. We're gonna do open lines tonight. We
would love for you to call in and tell us
what you're seeing, what you're experiencing. If you've got a
dear story, we'll be glad to talk to you about
that as well. The numbers that call are five oh two,

(04:18):
five seven one eighty four eighty four. That's five seven
one eighty four eighty four, or toll free eight hundred
four four four eighty four eighty four. That's a covey
of fours. That's four four four eighty four eighty four.
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(05:00):
we're back and uh again we're doing open lines tonight.
The numbers are five seven one eighty four eighty four
or eight hundred four four four eighty four eighty four.
And to that point, we've got Michael chiming in here
from Washington County. Hey, Michael, how are you? Michael? Can

(05:23):
you hear me? Yes?

Speaker 4 (05:26):
There I can.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
How are you, partner?

Speaker 4 (05:32):
I'm doing good? How about yourself?

Speaker 3 (05:34):
I'm doing real well. What have you got for us?

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Well, we've got a dough that we've been seeing that
has I guess you call him black tumors all around
her face and neck. You look it up, it sounds
like something called like if ibro mioso. Is this something
to be really turned?

Speaker 5 (05:54):
About?

Speaker 6 (05:54):
Him?

Speaker 3 (05:54):
To herd?

Speaker 4 (05:55):
How he's the hell? Is there something we should do
about getting this taking care of before it spreads into
the herd?

Speaker 2 (06:02):
That deer is perfectly fine, and all you need to
do with that is remove the hide off the animal
if you harvest her, if you feel like it's something
esthetically or something that you feel as a hunter, she's
struggling from h but meat consumption of that is fine.
It's it's very common and white tailed deer, not just

(06:24):
in Kentucky, in a lot of areas. And if you
contact the Kentucky Department of Fishing Wildlife, they'll be giving
you the same advice. So my advice to you on
that dough is to go ahead and harvest her. And
if you don't process your meat yourself, just take her
to whatever processor you use, make sure everything's okay, and

(06:45):
and enjoy filling your tags the rest of the season.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Okay, this is not something that's going to be real
potageous or spread through the herd to worry about, no, sir, Okay, sir,
thank you very much of the information. Wanted to make
sure we didn't let up and get out of hand. Yes, sir,
thank good night, Thank you again.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Thanks for calling. Marco. We've got Chris up. He's calling
from Washington County tonight.

Speaker 7 (07:12):
Hey, Chris, Hey, how are you doing, Jim.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
I'm doing this great, sir. I hope you're doing well. Yes, sir,
so what's on your mind to see me?

Speaker 7 (07:27):
Mister cronin had I've been talking to them a little
bit this week. You know, we've had the case of CWD,
you know, here in the county, and I have a
meeting on that Tuesday evening. You know, how do you
guys feel about all this as far as the approach
fishing wildlife take in and the steps that are involved.

(07:48):
You feel like, you know we're in a good spot
for where we are or what's your opinion on that?

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Jim, Let you take the lead, okay, and obviously I
want you to chime in. It has been, in my estimation,
a lot larger problem in certain areas than has been
discussed previously. And where I'm coming from on that, I've

(08:15):
got whole lots of hunters that I network with as
Scott does, and our hunter's network with other hunters, and
there's some areas where this has been devastating to the
point where guys are not seeing hardly any deer at all,
a lack of mature bucks and just you know, very

(08:40):
obvious signs that a lot of deer have died. Some
of the counties that have been mentioned as yours. Off
the top of my head Grayson portions of Shelby. I mean,
I keep going on and on, and it's been a
pretty serious dial off this year. And it really shouldn't

(09:00):
come as any surprise because we had a bad drought
and unfortunately, with the weather and a lot of other things,
it was a little difficult for people to get their
heads around it. But uh, and again we're talking about
uh c w D. Here are you asking about c

(09:21):
w D. Which are you asking about?

Speaker 7 (09:24):
C w D is what I'm most interested in at
this time?

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Uh? Okay, well then let me back up. Then I
thought you ehd uh the c w D. You're asking again,
how do I feel like it's progressing?

Speaker 7 (09:39):
Or how do you felt in the department's handling the
you know, the initial response to that, Do you think
they're being as proactives they should be or do you
think there's other steps that we need to be looking at.
What are you hearing from you know, your contacts that
you have no.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Overall, I think they're doing a good job with that.
That actually they're they're you know, doing the best they can.
It's it's a manpower issue at some point. Because there's
been another report of a deer uh that came down
with it, and we're just gonna have to see where
all this sends up. We're gonna know a whole lot
more about this after the season's over and there's all

(10:20):
these deer they've checked. We'll see what that reveals.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Scott, that that that deer that Chris is talking about
come out of the county that Chris resides in and
and owns.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Some property in.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
I think there's a lot of inconsistency of what's going on, Chris.
One thing that I disagree with is how there's counties
that are having to follow rules and regulations that haven't
had positive CWD cases confirmed in their county, but they
border a county that has. And then I think we

(10:57):
had plenty of time prior to going into this modern
farm season with the use of technology that we should
have uh, you know, Pulaski County being one of them,
and surrounding counties. I honestly think that taxidermist processors and
hunters probably should have had a few more precautions that
they should have been been falling as far as especially

(11:20):
carcass transport. It just seems inconsistent to me that we
we've got rules and regulations in counties. Like I said,
it doesn't have positive CWD cases in the wild deer herd,
and Pulaski County does, and and now we're allowing deer
to come in and out across the county line. It just, uh,

(11:41):
it was shocking to me. I was not impressed. That's
that's my honest opinion.

Speaker 7 (11:45):
Well, you know that's my opinion too. You know, I
called the processor I typically use, and you know, they're like, oh,
you know, bringing on. You know, it's the next county
that that joins me. And you know, I've talked to
a taxidermist and he's like, well, they haven't put out
any type of regulations you guys yet, just go ahead
and bring it on. So you know, I'm like you,
I felt like it as serious as this could potentially

(12:07):
be and what they make it out to be, you know,
I felt like there was time to give us a
little more you know, insight and a little more information
prior to see the gun season coming in.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah. That that's a point well made, and it does
seeming consistent, especially with how aggressive they were with some
of the counties that really didn't There were other things
that didn't fit, like Grayson County where they you know,
one part of the county had it, no other didn't.
I mean, there's been some odd things about the way

(12:44):
it's been handled, but uh, I guess we'll know more
about this half of the seasons over. And I apologize
about confusing. I thought you were asking about EHD because
that's so big out my mind with so many guys
reporting about it.

Speaker 6 (12:58):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's been hit and miss.

Speaker 7 (13:01):
Uh, you know, for for my my friends, and you know,
the Brown Pulaski County some area has been hit fairly hard.
But you know, I haven't found anything on the farms
that I hunt, so hopefully it's not gonna have too
big of an impact on the population.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Before you get off, Chris, I know in and around
that area yawler zones three.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Is that correct?

Speaker 7 (13:21):
That's correct.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
I'm hearing more reports of good deer numbers overall over
in your region in areas surrounding counties than I ever have.
Do you feel the same way that your deer population
is going up and that you probably are looking at
need to be reevaluated for a rig change and have
more antler that's no harvest available to.

Speaker 7 (13:43):
You, you know. Uh, with my job as an AG teacher.
You know, I'm out in the county a lot and
have a strong connection with the farmers. And you know,
I think about two thousand and five our population really
started to take off, you know, because you know, grain
farmers were, you know, taking more more land. So grain
farming is much more frivolent than it was twenty years ago,

(14:05):
especially for the last ten years. You know, it's absolutely
the population on the farms I've hunted have exploded. And
you know, being being a teacher and being a dad
and having kids playing sports, you know, my best opportunity
to try to control some population on the farms I
hunt would be you know, during the rifle season, and

(14:27):
you know we've got the one analyst limit with firearms,
and you know, I do feel like it's time that
you know, we need to take a look at potentially
dropping us down maybe his own.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Okay, well, Chris, thanks for calling. I hope it helped you. Again,
I apologize for.

Speaker 7 (14:49):
It's all good. You guys, have a great evening, Yes, sir.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
You as well. All right, We've got Roger LaPoint on hold,
he's with Hunters for the Hungry. Hey, Roger, how are
you doing tonight? Jim I'm doing well.

Speaker 8 (15:01):
How are you, my friend?

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Well, I'm hard at it and very hopeful that the
last part of the season is the best, and it's
going to be for a lot of people.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
Well, I think I'm seeing it now. I'm just coming
back from seeing Jay here in Jefferson County. My grandson
just shot a nice buck and adult we just donated
it great. Starting to see a lot of chasing the
farms that I'm hunting on and seeing a lot more
diary activity.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
You know. That's what I'm hearing from lots of folks
as well. And it's it's really strange because I have
three different properties and I'm just now seeing those come
into estros. So there's gonna be a lot of late
rud activity, I have no doubt about it. How you
guys doing so far with your numbers? You're taking in Rodgers?

(15:51):
Where are we at with hunners for the hundred right now?

Speaker 5 (15:55):
It's actually Jim and says it says anecdotal. I don't
know true numbers until we close our books in February.
In most processors won't take our deer in. I won't
get invoices for him till then, and that's when I
get the true count. But I've had several that's called
me and we always give it each process or a

(16:17):
quota each year, and I've had several call and ask
if they could they've met their quota, can they take more?

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Now?

Speaker 5 (16:25):
Of course we say yes, So I think we're doing well.
To be honest, I've never seen so much interest in
our program that I have this year. I don't know
if it's because of the stamp benefits or just get
the words getting out, but we're getting a lot more
traction on our program.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Well, it's certainly a great thing, and folks need to
realize how much this can help people. I mean, rot
still some numbers at them so they can understand what
you all accomplished last year, because that really shows how
many meals that you all provide for the needy. It's
just crazy good.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
Well, each year provides about one hundred and sixty meals
and that's a serving, and that's USDA standards of four
ounces of meat per serving. Our deer average is about
a yield of about forty pounds, so that's about one
hundred and sixty meals and we had over three thousand,

(17:28):
four hundred deer donated last year. So the number just
through the math and it's it's pretty good. So I'd
say we've had record years for the last couple of
years and the program just keeps going bigger and bigger.
I mean, really blessed. The Lord's looked out on us,
and I don't know what to say. It's not me,

(17:49):
it's it's all the hunters out there as my processors,
and it's the two Blue sponsorous.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
It's been great, It's really been great. Well, Scott and
I are going to talk a lot here during the
program about the need which has become very evident to
harvest those in the areas of the state where they're
totally out of control, and we're gonna talk too about
how that does positive effects for your hunting going forward. So, uh,

(18:21):
it's it's a great program and it's so easy, I mean,
and heck gives you an opportunity to get out there
and hunt, harvest more deer.

Speaker 5 (18:33):
Oh just feel addressed deer, get your confirmation number, drop
it off and we take it from there. We pay
all the processing and processor grinds it up the one
to two pound packages and then uh, it goes out
to the food banks and see the people in the Commonwealth. Yes, sir,

(18:53):
very simple.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Yes, sir, well, we certainly appreciate what you do and
as you know, we'll be glad to get you the
word out anytime.

Speaker 5 (19:03):
All right, I appreciate you, brother, Thanks, gott, I appreciate
you too, man.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yes, all right, see you Roger. All right, thanks wee, Yes, sir,
thanks a lot for calling. All right, as promised, we're
gonna talk a lot tonight about how the weather's been,
in fact, how the rut seems to be a bit
mysterious to say the least. We're gonna talk about tactics

(19:30):
going forward and to do all those things and participate
calls tonight. We got open lines. The numbers are five
seven one eighty four eighty four or one eight hundred
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numbers tonight are five seven one eighty four eighty four
one eight hundred four four four eighty four eighty four.
And we got Patrick calling in from Butler Counting. Hey, Patrick,
how you doing? Hey Jim, how are you? I'm doing
better than I deserve, sir? What do you got for us?

Speaker 8 (20:32):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (20:33):
You know, I'm down here in south Butler County and.

Speaker 9 (20:37):
I'm glad to hear a couple of your callers before
me are having a seems like they're seeing their luck
turn around.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
We we've had a real slow down here. We had
a pretty.

Speaker 9 (20:48):
Substantial impact by the hamorrhagic disease. They kind of really
decimated the.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Hrding the area.

Speaker 9 (20:54):
And then you kind of couple that with maybe with
a less than ideal weather and a bumper hard and
soft mass crop and it's been sen pickens out there.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Well, you're right, there's a whole lot of a whole
lot of variables this time. And some of the folks
that took advantage of the mast, like Scott and his
wife and his daughter did and hunted in the thick
stuff had excellent success. Some of the farm crop areas

(21:25):
and whatnot have been a little bit off because of
the amount of masks, and we see that, you know,
almost every year and some regards. But the thing that
I think we need to think about going forward is
that a lot of these places the rut, the peak

(21:45):
of the rut has not hit yet. I mean, Scott
and I are going to talk about this at length,
but it's it's been very spotty. I'll just put it
that way, to put it in a general category. Yeah,
I know that very well.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
He's a phenomenal deer manager. He's an outstanding individual, and
we hunt in some pretty similar terrain. When he says
that the deer herd was devastated, Pat, why don't you
explain what you're used to seeing on stand And he's
and he has networked and collaborated some with communication through

(22:26):
officials of Kentucky Apartment of Fish and Wildlife. Maybe let
listeners know in that western start of the state, you know,
Butler County area, Warren County is around the area. Is
how just how bad the numbers are?

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Yeah, you know that? Yeah, thanks Scott.

Speaker 10 (22:43):
You know, it's hard to go by just observation, but
you know, observation wise, you know, for like the last decade,
I keep copious records of what I see, what the
win is, what what.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
The environmental circumstances are. And literally I from a farm where.

Speaker 9 (23:02):
Last year I didn't have a set where I didn't
least see a deer to now this year, probably more
than seventy percent of my sets I've seen zero deer.
So it's been a substantive impact. So that had me
digging around talking to fishing game folks. I just happened
to be making a ride into Bowling Green and come
across a fishing game biology just pulling carcasses out of

(23:24):
the Gasper River for testing, and he alerted me just
how bad it was in that local area there around
the Gasper River in Warren County, where you know they're calling.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
It a severe outbreak.

Speaker 9 (23:36):
But between what I'm seeing, what I heard from fishing game,
talking to other hunters, talking to local Taxidermris and our
local meat processor, it's just everything is pretty substantially depressed.
Now that being said, as fate would have it, And
we got four hunters hunting on my farm and two
of the guys tagged out and got nice bucks, and

(24:00):
we just had to adjust the tactics a little bit
because of because of the mass crop because of the
very limited, very limited deer. So obviously the signs of
the rut were relatively invisible, and I think they were
you know, we haven't hit the full stride yet, but
we had to get into thicket and we just happened

(24:21):
to catch, you know, bucks that were tending doze and
they slipped off the edge of the thicket into an
acorn patch, and you know, we just got lucky by
just taking it into the thick. But you know, hunting
the food plot or you know, an open hardwood stand,
we're just not seeing any deer. And part of that's
the environmental dynamic, I'm sure, But the other part of

(24:44):
it is and it's sad to say, because there's no
there's no tactic to overcome this one. But you know,
when the hamorrhaget disease takes a good chunk of your
deer herd, ain't much you could do about that.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
You can't see deer that ain't there. No, that's a
fact that you know. There is a little bit of
a silver lining to that down the road. And I'm
sure it is astute as you are about observing these things,
you realize this. It'll do with the dole numbers what

(25:15):
hunters should have been doing in the first place, and
on the heels of it, and it takes several years,
but you'll generally see a really nice, robust number of
up and comer and bucks that you know you'll be
proud to see out there for next several years. But
it takes a couple of years to build back, so

(25:37):
it's a tough pill to swallow.

Speaker 9 (25:40):
Yeah, you're you're right, Jim, And that's that's what we're
hoping for. And I talked to a few biologist friends
that I know, and they say that's the silver lining.
But there is there kind of a bit of an
eclipse part where they're telling me that you start getting
to that seventy percent die off and then you may
you may experience and longer recovery because the herd starts

(26:01):
to lose some of its genetic diversity. And I sure
hope we're not in that situation here. I mean, if
I rely just on observations, i'd say, yes we are.
But with all these other things going on and the
rut being a little.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
Seems like a start and stop.

Speaker 9 (26:16):
Maybe it's a maybe that's a yet to be determined.
I'm hoping that I'll have it all figured out by
buzzloader season.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Well, we'd love to hear from you again. I want
to insert something here, and I think you'll probably agree.
When these things happen. I can't overstate how important it
is to do predator control on kyles and bobcats because
they you know, every dog becomes precious, every fawn becomes

(26:48):
precious in a situation like that. So if you can
do some predator control on your property, your neighbors do,
and you help spread that word, it'll go a long
way towards something that herd rebound quickly than it would
have otherwise. You're so right, Jim.

Speaker 9 (27:04):
I haven't seen a buck that I wanted to shoot,
but I'm two for two on coyotes.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Mad a boy. I haven't say ce yo, shooter yo.
I don't care what's going on. Yeah, if I see
a cold that hunt becomes paramount for me. Yeah, you bet, buddy.

Speaker 9 (27:26):
Well, Hey, good talking to you guys, and you guys,
you know, have a great night and have a you know,
have a safe and productive rest of your hunting seasons.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Good luck to bun.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yes you guys, thanks a lot, Patrick, I appreciate your comments,
all right, we got another caller on holdis Lewis calling
from Butler County.

Speaker 8 (27:49):
Hey, Lewis, how are you Jim? I'm actually from Bullock
County and you were talking about you were talking state
response on the Yes, we had two deer down on
our farm week before season. I called the state and
asked them if they want to see them, inspect them,

(28:11):
if I would bring them to them, and they said no,
we're not taking anything or anything We're done is taking
a report. So the state is not even concerned in
this part of the county about what's going on. And
I think that it has hit our farm pretty hard
because we're not seeing the deer that we normally see.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Can I speak up for Jim Straighter and Scott Growning
for just a moment? Sometimes we're sometimes we're casted on
canvas and painted that we're out for the department. I'll
speak for myself, I won't speak for Jim. I even
contacted the department multiple times about where people were reaching

(28:53):
out when we're in the state of Kentucky and we
are being told that CWD is very important and that
there's phone numbers to call when we find wildlife that's
injured or sick. When we do that as license holders
and we're ignored, it speaks volumes and I want to

(29:16):
listen in onience to know that the guest that's calling
in right now, Jem and I do not know this
is It's not a stage call. This is continuous feedback
gemstraightor that the general public continues to share and tell
us that they have sick deer walking around with all
the conditions that could mimic multiple diseases, but they don't

(29:37):
care to come out and take a sample. That's got
to stop. If CWD is going to be put upon
us as a precedent of a concern to manage our
deer herd, and I'll let you take over, Jim.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
I totally agree, one hundred percent. And it really goes
even worse than that. There's so many people call and
try to leave a message and nothing's ever return and
that's really bad. I mean, I don't see any reason
for that whatsoever. It's it's a personnel issue and something

(30:13):
that has to be addressed.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
I mean, and that's a boutious job. That doesn't that's
not putting a bad mark on our conservation officers. There
should have been a biologist more than happily out there
to serve you, sir, and I apologize that he or
she wasn't.

Speaker 8 (30:29):
Well that's what I feel like. But you know, they
tell me there's nothing that cod weather won't stop it.
Co Weather takes care of the ticks and so the
c w D is going to go away, and there's
nothing that's going to affect the meat. But you really
start to wonder if they're not taking samples and inspecting

(30:52):
these deer. You know, isn't really c w D or
is it something else? Who knows?

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Jump in the air. Then I will let you out here,
all right?

Speaker 8 (31:06):
Uh you got yes, sir?

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Thank you for calling. God you got a closing comment
before I go to break.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
No, we'll we'll hit on it after break though, Jim.
Just too many people trying to do the right thing
and and they're being ignored, and it it does bother me.
It's something I'm very passionate about. And we're doing what
we're supposed to do, and I don't think everybody else
is doing what.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
They're supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
And that's just fact to the to the point right
there with that caller.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Well, and there's there's a whole lot of people that
obviously have that opinion because they've been ignored, and that
that that really puts a bad taste in everyone's mouth,
and it should it needs to be addressed. All Right,
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and again the numbers tonight we're doing open lines talking
about the deer season five seven one eighty four eighty
four or eight hundred four four four eighty four eighty four.
We got Lisa calling from Lowell and hold, hey, Lisa, Hi, I.

Speaker 11 (32:47):
Know this is a little bit off subject, and I
hope that's okay.

Speaker 6 (32:51):
It's opens.

Speaker 11 (32:52):
There are three things that you should never teach your
spouse how to drive, how to fly fish, and how
to wing shoot. Do you know good place to go?
That would be particularly good at teaching me to wing shoot.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Oh boy, Well, one of the easy places I would point,
since you're in Louisville points you too, would do the
Fern Creek Sportsman's Club, where you know they can teach
you with targets, which basically, you know, enables you to
understand what it takes to establish lead and how to
choose the right chokes. And those folks over there are

(33:28):
really really good about walking you through it and helping
you learn properly. It's Fern Creek Sportsman.

Speaker 11 (33:34):
Club, Sportsman Club. Okay, yeah, I've never shot a shotgun,
so I'm I'm really starting from scratch.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Okay, Well, it's uh, it'll come to you pretty naturally.
And and uh they're really good about, you know, getting
new folks in and getting them engaged. And there's some
excellent shooters over there, and I promise you you'll be
developing new friends over there. I'll put it that.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Way, Lisa. I'm gonna advocate also for the Kentucky and
sci Safari Club. There are a tremendous amount of females
over there that have extensive wing shooting resumes and background,
and there's several gentlemen as well that are involved, and

(34:23):
several of those members are also members of the Fern
Creek Sportsman's Club, which they could introduce you and take
you over there as a guest. And then Roger Lapointe,
which was a caller earlier in the show. If you
reach out to Kentucky Hunters for the Hungary Roger would
still get that contact. And lots of programs that the
Department of Fishing Wildlife does put on that tries to

(34:46):
encourage females to not only get involved with target shooting
and shooting sports, but also getting out into the field
filled to fork style programs. But you're in the right
area and there are a tremendous amount of resources they're
available to you, and also keep your eyes and ears
peeled for the Kentucky back country hunters and anglers. A

(35:11):
lot of times they will have some skied or trap
style shoots and any of those folks that are involved
with that organization be more than happy to shake your
hand and spend a little bit of time with you,
getting you some time on some clays and getting on target.

Speaker 11 (35:28):
Oh that'd be great. Okay, Well, I thank you very
much and I appreciate you putting up with me on subject.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
No, No, that's fine. That's what we're here for. We're
hopefully able to give people the information that they're seeking,
and we're more than glad to do so. So thanks
for calling.

Speaker 11 (35:46):
You're very welcome.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Thank you.

Speaker 11 (35:48):
Bye bye.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yep, yes, ma'am. All right, Scott, let's talk here a
little bit about the weather, because it's been a big deal. Obviously,
we've had fault, we've had high wind, we've had rain.
It's been back and forth. A lot of rain in
the forecast coming forward, and obviously that's been a factor.

(36:11):
It's kept a lot of people out of the field.
Having said that, I want to say, especially now that
we're you know, closing towards the end of Kentucky season,
we got quite a bit of time left. But we
are in the second half, I would say, and indiand
it's going forward. Nothing beats time in the woods. And

(36:34):
what I mean by that is these deer are gonna
do what deer do. They're going to breed, and it
is the rut period. It's the time for it. And
you know, it's that magic two minutes, as I like
to say, where you see the approach the deer comes
in and you get a shot. So it doesn't matter

(36:57):
what the weather is to the deer this time of year.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
They're going to row zero to hero in just a
matter of a couple of seconds on the right stand
during the month of November. You just you got to
hunt the rut and realize all rules are off and
give the weather a chance to change your mind on
whether or not, Dear, we'll move in the fog, the wind,
the rain, or the heat. Because if an old buck

(37:19):
gets it on his mind to breed, that's what he's
going to do.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Well, I always say, if we only had one a
couple of weeks a year to breed, what would we
be doing. We'd be running wild just like they do.
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(37:42):
want to remind you we are doing open lines tonight.
If you got a question for Scritt or myself, give
us a call. The numbers are five seven one eighty
four eighty four or one eight hundred four four four
eighty four eighty four. And we've got Luke on whole

(38:03):
come from the sunny side of the river over in Indiana.
Hey Luke, welcome aboard. What's got on your mind?

Speaker 12 (38:10):
Hey Jim, thanks for having me.

Speaker 7 (38:12):
Uh, yes, sir, I guess just a little bit of what.

Speaker 12 (38:15):
I'm seeing in southwestern Indiana. Was talked to a few
people earlier today. In the lake's a little rut here,
or the rut is a little late here. It's kind
of uh, it's about halfway and swing. It seems like
it doesn't seem like they're it doesn't seem like the
bucks are super exhausted, but they're definitely chasing and uh,

(38:38):
they definitely have that on their mind.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (38:40):
It seems like our numbers in this part of the
state are a little higher than normal. I've seen way
way more dear, way more dos, especially than in years past.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Okay, what what counties are you speaking.

Speaker 12 (38:54):
To right now? We're in Knox, Gibson, Sullivan, Vigo, and
Boys County, oh typically in that that circular area.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
I got you, good, good, Yeah, your comments are mirroring
what I'm hearing now. There's other parts of the state
where the the EHD, the hemorrhagic disease is really rim wrecked. Uh.
Certain spots and areas, and I'm sure you're aware of that.
So I'm delighted to hear you're you're seeing, dear, And

(39:31):
I think your comment about the rut is spot on.
Scott and I are going to talk a lot about
that here in a bit. But this has been a
very unusual rut cycle. You know, many years ago my
friends held Knight, David Hale coined the term and they
called it the trickle rut. And a trickle rut is

(39:54):
basically a rut that you know, peaks, drops, peaks again drops,
and with the imbalance in our herds in terms of
the number of dose, we're just gonna see more that
as we go forward, if people don't start controlling dough
numbers because you got so many dose you know, coming

(40:16):
in at different times. It's nature's way for for not
all the dose to be in estress at one time.
So when you got too many dose, you see where
that ends.

Speaker 12 (40:27):
Up, right right? We we just had a lot of
people here that are killing young bucks and you know,
not letting not letting them grow. And I don't think
we have enough dough hunters around here, honestly. I think
I think that, like you said that that needs to increase.
I think to balance the numbers out a little bit.
That way a little it's a little more even, and
maybe the red will balance out over the next seven years.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
I know last night when we went to the processor,
we donated. I shot two dose myself last night, and
of course my wife killed a buck. And the process
sure that we were speaking with with saying that they're
seeing ten bucks come in for every dough and you

(41:10):
really get into a debatable topic when you start talking
about how people use their tags and by all means,
I advocate for hunting, and I advocate for venison being
on the table much more so than I do for
trophy management or just going out and trying to kill
inches or an age class a buck. But even the

(41:34):
processors Jim give quite a bit of feedback and Luke,
I know in and around the area that you're hunting in,
and it's amazing how many folks will not I'm not
going to say do their part, but they will not
shoot those doves, but they'll settle for shooting a buck

(41:55):
that they're not necessarily satisfied with with the rack. But
they'll kind of to give the excuse or to give
the philosophy or reasoning behind why they pulled the trigger
or left the arrow or the boat fly, because they're like,
you know, it's a meat buck and we've got a
we've got a really good healthy population of antlerless deer
and some of these bigger dos and I can tell

(42:17):
you we'll get into.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
This as well.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Some of these bigger doughs have more meat on their
frame and more weight than a lot of these year
and a half and two and a half year old bucks,
especially when they're run down during the rut, wouldn't you
agree to you?

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Yeah, especially the younger bucks. And you know, a lot
of this has been coming for past history. I'd like
to say, when you know, we used to protect the dolls,
but my goodness, we're five thousand miles down the road
from that now. And to manage the herd, let's face it,

(42:56):
the DNR, the fish and Wilfe people, they do all
they can, but at the final end of it, the
individuals with a gun and a bow and the muzzle order, etc.
They're the ones that actually are capable of controlling the herd.
And we need to do our part to manage and

(43:18):
to manage properly you've got to take dose and if
you don't want to or don't have room for a
dough in your freezer, take it and donate it to
the hunters for the huntry. It's just pretty simple. Yeah,
pretty simple. Yep. Well, Luke, we really appreciate it. And

(43:39):
again I think your your comments about the run a
spot on and Scott now going to fill that out
a little bit as we go forward.

Speaker 12 (43:48):
Okay, thank you, Jim, Thank you, Scott. Appreciate your having us.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
All Right, we got another collar here. It's a very
dear and long time friend of mine. Ed Moore say, yeah,
how you doing doing?

Speaker 6 (44:01):
Find Jimmy, how about yourself, buddy?

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Well, as I like to say, I'm doing better than
I deserve. And what to congratulate you on your nice
buck you took.

Speaker 6 (44:11):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (44:12):
We opening day Gun chased them all the way through
both season and just they pretty much were nocturnal all
the way through, and then Opening day of Gun finally
had a few of our shooters on their feet in
daylight for a change early morning, first hour or so,

(44:35):
and this one came by and that we've got a
couple of bigger bucks. But he definitely was a nice
there and looked good on the wall and eat good
and you know the old saying, don't pass the first day,
what you shoot the last day. And they presented himself.
He presented himself, and I went ed and took him.

(44:56):
And now we're doing dough?

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Did he?

Speaker 6 (45:00):
We our places down in Metcalf County. We got almost
six hundred acres there, and there's four of us really
that the hunt there on a regular basis, And up
until this year we've always been a zoned three or
a zone two county, so we could only take four
deer total, and everybody tried to take, you know, one

(45:22):
buck and three dos. But this year we're zone one
and we're going to need it. This past week been
down there and one of my friends down here from
Michigan hunts with me. He's been there all week and
we're seeing fifteen to twenty dos at a time in
a field in a big cut cornfield, a lot of

(45:44):
little bucks chasing the big shooters. We hadn't seen them
hardly at all, just kind of disappeared off the cameras completely.
Even didn't know whether they might be in lockdown or what,
but they just kind of fell off the face. And
then last night, for the first time, three of the
bigger shooters all showed up on camera and they definitely

(46:06):
were those to the ground and dogging some does on camera,
and they were gone right after first light. But started
getting a little more action last night, and it looks
like a lot of the does are finally starting to
push the fawns off too, so starting to get a
little bit of action down in the middle part of
the state. We're down in Metcalf County outside of Edmonton's

(46:27):
where we are. But yeah, one of the guys last
night took a nice buck and a doe, and I
could have taken a door or two. I was going
to try to donate the roger and hunters for the hungry,
but he shot them right before dark. And to be honest,
I just got lazy. I said, I don't feel like
chasing deer all over these hillsides and bottoms for the

(46:50):
next two or three hours trying to try it deer
and then get them back to the truck. So I
had the do walk.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Ed. I know you're very observe it. You deer for
more years than we want to talk about, probably, but uh,
I've just started to see those in the three counties.
A hud come into estras. Is that what your what
you have?

Speaker 6 (47:16):
Yeah, we're just now just yeah, we're just now seeing it.
I mean, uh, they wanted nothing to do with any
of the even the smaller bucks that were chasing them.
They just didn't have any interest at all. And now
that they are and a lot of them were still
had all their fauns tagging along with them. Twins. We
have one got triplets and she's easy to recognize. And

(47:39):
yesterday she was in the field by herself. She done
finally pushed her. You know what they'll do when they
go and ask herself push their fawns off. And she
was by herself. So we're just now seeing it start
to warm up.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
So well the best is yet to come, as what
I'll tell you.

Speaker 6 (47:57):
Yeah, And just changing the sub just for a second.
To that lady that called in earlier, I want to
know about wing shooting. I might recommend to her my
home club, which is Jefferson Gun Club right there Brooks
And they have a women's program there the where you

(48:17):
can come out and with a bunch of other ladies
shooting for the first time. Help let you shoot a
little skeet trap, five stands, sporting plays. They have guns
there that you can borrow for those events and see
whether you prefer a semi automatic or an over and
under or whatever. And so give Jefferson Gun Club a

(48:40):
little plug there too as well for their women's programmers.
If she's still on here listening.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Cool, We as usual, great to chat with you. And
congratulations on that big black bearry you killed earlier this year. Yeah,
pretty strong, pretty strong.

Speaker 6 (48:57):
It's been a it's been a banner season for this
old guy. I'll still get out and get around, so,
you know, but well I'll see you here in a
couple of weeks, buddy.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Yes, sir. All right, folks, got to go to break here.
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tonight for our calling program five seven one eight four
eighty four or eight hundred and four four four eighty

(49:33):
four eighty four. And we've got Charles from Oldham County.

Speaker 13 (49:40):
Hey, guys, how you doing tonight?

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Doing great? Charles? Hey, I got.

Speaker 13 (49:45):
Something to but to my attention, you know, this year.
You maybe last year, I don't know, but you had
you have to get a permit to hunt bobcats. And
it's supposed to be a free permit according to the literature,
and you know, online and the print book. And I
went to get mine and it kept coming up a
ten dollars fee when I was bund it online. So

(50:05):
I called it to Frankfort and asked them how come
it to charge me ten dollars when it's supposed to
be free according to your literature. And they told me
that they changed it last week from being free to
being ten dollars. I didn't know if you guys do
anything about that or why they would change something in
the marriage right before season.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Very interesting topic hereage demonstrator. I had some people reaching
out to me this week about what they need for
their waterfowl hunting, and they were coming to me. I
was telling them about how they needed their migratory bird permit,
different things. I've had several people this week that have

(50:43):
been asking questions about fees on not just that bobcat permit,
but other things that were required to have. So I'm
going to investigate on this and I'm going to get
some more information. But your concern is not the first
concern I've heard this week of new fees being I
guess documented or charged to individuals. And I'll say this,

(51:09):
it will be my responsibility to to go back through
and listen to commission meetings and everything else to see
where and how all these were passed on certain dates.
But certainly something that I have concerns with, not just
the Bobcat fee, but when we're wanted as hunters to

(51:31):
help control the predators in the state. And let's just
take for example, the turkeys and what Jim was talking
about earlier with the funds and then now CWD impact
of what it could possibly become and having to charge
hunters fifteen dollars for each additional dole permit or antler
this deer permit for two deer. I don't think we're

(51:54):
hurting on money, do you, Jim in the state, I'm
a little alarmed with some of these fees.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Definitely not hurt man. I want you to explain your
thoughts about those dough harvest fees because I total agreement
with you on this.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Well, Charles, let's focus on the Bobcat thing. Why don't
you reach out to the Department of Fishing Wildlife by
email on their information page and just ask them why
this permit is needed and what those fees are going towards.
And and I advocate to all the listeners out there

(52:35):
to start asking more questions about where these fees are going.
And I'll give you an example. Peabody Wildlife Management Area
charges a permit fee to hunt on that WMA, but
we don't have other permits that we have to have
in place if we hunt on other WMA's. And as

(52:56):
we see these bobcats becoming more of a problem and
we see populations starting to increase, if the fifteen dollars
was making or breaking the better management techniques for our
wildlife species that we desire, I would be all for it.
But I'm just lost, and I'm not afraid to admit

(53:19):
to my ignorant in some parts of it. I don't
think we need to raise money to necessarily help control
our predators. And we'll talk to the deer permit on that.
I'm in the stand. I have killed legally multiple doors
this season, and here I am trying to figure out

(53:40):
how many dough permits I need, and I'm setting up
twenty two foot up in a deer stand trying to
type in my visa card while I'm trying to help
the state control their deer numbers and reduce auto accidents.
And then I'm turning around and donating my deer to
people who are struggling with poverty. Now, I'm not entire
not to pay a deer permit, but why am I

(54:04):
paying a deer permit to handle something that is more
or less now in the category of pest control. It's
not me out there just dealing with with shooting deer
to feed my family. In the same way with your bobcats,
I applaud you for going after them, and I think
that it's it's shameful that us, as conservationists in the

(54:25):
state of Kentucky are being charged to help manage our
wildlife resources.

Speaker 13 (54:29):
Yeah, what didn't settle well with me was, you know,
it was free according to the book in the literature
they put out for the season, and then they just
changed it right in the middle of the season, and
I think this looks like a money grab. That's what
didn't settle well with me.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Well, Charles, I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna stretch my
neck a little. That's fraudulent. You can't put out printitive
information with forethought saying something free and then turn around
a charge for it. That's not right. And you know
I call him as I see him, and that's just

(55:04):
not riser. So now I haven't seen in the print
where it said that, but I'm certain that you have
and are not misrepresenting anything. So we appreciate you bringing
it to light.

Speaker 13 (55:16):
Sure, all right, appreciate you guys.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
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(55:42):
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All right, folks, we got Trey Webb on the line here.
He is obviously with Webb's Butcher block A. Trey welcome.
I know you're awful busy and we appreciate you taking

(56:05):
time to be with us. Uh overall, what are you
seeing and here from the processors that you all partner with?
So far.

Speaker 14 (56:16):
For the most part, I want to say it's an
average year, maybe a little bit on the lower side.
I haven't heard of too many of them filling up
just yet.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Granted you know a lot.

Speaker 14 (56:30):
Of them normally do we we don't. We got enough
cooler space to hang plenty. Uh, but a lot of
them they typically fill up. And I haven't heard but
maybe one of them filling up.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Okay, uh, Scott, you got Trey.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Yeah, I was gonna ask you, as far as I
think the fog may be saved quite a few deer,
and maybe folks have been holding off a little bit
with the warmer temperature, and I know the wind his
played havoc on some people and they've decided not to
get out and go. But where the deer that you
see coming in in the rut when you evaluate him

(57:09):
as far as like their tarsal glands and and the
pheromones that they have, where, where does Trey Webb put
the rut right now in the state of Kentucky and
and and where the deer are going to be going
in the next few days.

Speaker 14 (57:25):
It's it's hard to say. I mean talking to people,
you know, I mean just the past few days, I
seen bucks chasing the whole time that I was hunting.
I didn't really see none of that last weekend where
I was hunting. But you know, my dad the next
form over, he killed one that come into grunt call.

(57:45):
He was up there and pushing doze and they didn't
want nothing to do with him. He hit their grunt
call in here he come running. You know, it just
seems it's it's always all over the place on on
where they're at or what they're doing. Uh, you know,
with as many doughs as there is out there, it's
the rut is probably never going to be crazy intense

(58:09):
because bucks don't have to go look for dose anymore.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
We talked about that a good bit here early in
the program trades. When you got too many dos, it
just it scrambles all the eggs because the bucks don't
have to travel much to get to them. You know.
The one thing I try to tell people all the time,
less dose usually means the bucks travel more, right, so

(58:37):
they're not going to go with that breeding. So a
reduced number of dose actually helps your hunting. I'm not saying,
you know, whack them all, or I'm not saying don't
use them as bait, you know, till you kill you.

Speaker 14 (58:49):
But I'm not gonna say yeah, whether or not at
help you're hunting, that's that's probably debatable. And I might
you might get bucks during the rut that from my
an on a half away that you'd never seen before.
We know whereas you know, because they said they travel,
they're going to look for it because they they only
get to breathe one time of year. They're not gonna

(59:11):
waste it. You know, they don't care if it's seventy
seventy degrees and thirty miles on our winds. They're still
out there looking.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Yeah. Oh, that's oxactly, Jim.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
I want to advocate for trade for Web's family in
general hunters for the hungary roger called in earlier, but
Trey Webb and his family I think is responsible for
a lot of deer harvest and trade. I sincerely delivered

(59:40):
this to you through.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
The phone lines.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Uh, the product that you deliver the people and what
they look forward to each and every year. I will
say this, whether we have a trickle rut or folks
are having good or bad honting out in the field,
the amount of people that I see in and out
these processing facilities, bragging about your product and glad to

(01:00:05):
harvest deer so that they can have their summer sausages
and and their links. It's man, it decreases more and
more every year. So I really do appreciate you having
all those specialty products. I see that trend changing from
traditional cuts and and and what you all do with
the drop centers and work with the different processors that

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quote unquote could have used to been competitors. It's an
amazing thing what yourself and the folks that Hunters for
the Hungry have done to help increase the amount of
deer harvest in Kentucky.

Speaker 14 (01:00:40):
Oh yeah, and we appreciate it, you know. And Rogers them,
they've got an amazing program, and you know, and they've
they've allowed quite a bit of flexibility, you know for us.
You know, it's changed over the years, you know, with
Hunters for the Hungry used to go to various places
and now you know, they focus mainly on, you know,

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keeping it in your county. So you know, all the
deer that's donated to us, you know, ninety plus percent
of that directly affects need and brecking Ridge County.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Yea, you know, we we work with.

Speaker 14 (01:01:15):
The couple of food banks or churches that have food banks,
you know, and those are the ones that typically come
and get all the ground venison to be distributed out
amongst their you know, they're people that need it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Yeah, and for folks listening, we're right at one hundred
thousand deer harvested in the state of Kentucky this year.
And that's as of right now up to minute from
Kentucky TeleCheck. And we're running exactly sixty point five to
nine percent on our percent males being harvested and thirty

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nine point four to one percent on our females. So
if folks are out there and they've got some dough
tags in their pocket, uh, there's still quite a bit
of time to go out and fill them. And there's
gonna be quite a bit of rud activity as well,
in between these rainstorms coming up this week.

Speaker 14 (01:02:06):
Yeah, I'm out of dough tags.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
I filled my three, all right. Well, Tray, we deeply
appreciate you and obviously very proud to have you as
a sponsor because it's where the spice is right. I
appreciate you taking some time. I know you're a busy man.

Speaker 14 (01:02:28):
No, I probably anytime Jain.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Okay, buddy, all right, folks, Scott, we got to talk
about the rut because it is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Yeah, and we can talk about it for our friends
that are across the river in Indiana, they opened up
their firearm season just yesterday, and I've got several good
friends down in a long southern Indiana and central Indiana mostly,
and they had a lot of good activity with the
heat and the temperature. And of course we've talked a

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little bit about my wife's hunt. She had some good
rudding activity last night. Seventy degrees. I had sweat dripping
off the end of my nose pulling that deer out
of a thicket to get it loaded up to start
the work of processing. But the rut right now for
folks that are maybe that you've been limited on time,
Maybe the weather's through you a curveball. Maybe you've got

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plenty of time and you're just wondering what to do.
You've got to put that time in on the stand,
whether you're in Indiana or Kentucky, or hunting on private
or public ground. Even if your dough ratios are a
little bit out of whack, it just takes that one
hot dough and it's not uncommon this time of year

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for two or three bucks to be on that one
hot dough and between the stages of lockdown versus seeking
and chasing. Right now, it just depends on where you're
at on what you're gonna call the rut. And we
can advise you that food sources, dense cover, travel corridors

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and all that are going to be important. But just
remember this if you've never put the time in to
scout during the season and you're down on your luck
a little bit due so because these rut funnels are
the places to be right now. So if you don't
know what the food source is, you don't necessarily know
where the betting is. But you can see where there's

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a bunch of different terrain that's got dear bottleneck and
they can come in from northeast, south and west three
hundred and sixty degrees. Get in there, try to get
the scent working in your favor where that wind's hitting
you in the face. But those bucks are going to
travel that down wind side quite a bit. And utilize
your thermals and let your rifle do the work, and

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try to get into some of that cover to where
you can get a height advantage and really get into
some really serious action packed hunting, because big difference in
hunting a big thicket and a pinch point than there
is maybe sitting on a corn pile or just one
hot acre intree. Not that those strategies want work, it's
just time right now to put yourself where you're gonna

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be up on their feet and they've got to move
through that area to get to point A, B, C
and d well.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
I always bring it back to, you know, the kiss theory,
keeping simple stupid. You want to be where the dose are.
If you're not seeing dole movements, if you're not on
a food sources that's concentrating dose, if you're not in
pinches and areas that funnel deer movement like Scott's talking about. Hey,

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you're pretty well limited in yourself in a big way
to random movement by the bucks. And they're either gonna
be trailing and checking dose are there, gonna be locked
down with a doll, or they're gonna be seeking those
and all those things when you add them all up, Hey,
the action is where the girls are boys and girls.

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That's just the way the rut works. And I can
assure you from what I've seen in all the Hunters
Scott Now Network with some of the best is yet
to come. There's some areas where there's been a fairly
significant peak, so to speak. But there's a whole lot
of breeding activity coming in the next couple of weeks

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in most areas, and you got to be out there
to capitalize on it. All right, folks, got to go
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you got to be out there. It's not rocket scientists
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All right, folks, there's several things we're gonna talk about
here before we close the show out. One, there's a
lot of rain in the forecast, Scott. Let's give them
some tips on that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Definitely have to capitalize on. How deer gonna feed right
before that rain starts. During very heavy periods of rain,
your deer are gonna bed down. And for those folks
that have permanent blinds set in place or some way
to get out of those elements. It's worth taking a

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walk in the rain to be there on stand and
set up and ready as soon as those rain showers
stop to fall. While it's hard to hunt deer in
heavier rains at time, the like mist and rain can
kill a lot of deer that way, and you can
definitely capitalize on deer moving when those showers decide to stop.

(01:07:49):
I've killed a lot of deer, both dose and bucks
and those scenarios, and myself later in the week I'll
be facing it as well. We've got more rain in
the forecast for certain parts of the East especially than
we do the west. But it's just one of those
deals where it may not be what we like hunting in,

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but it will not stop us from having good hunts.
You just got to be able to adapt and understand.
A deer deal with it three hundred and sixty five
days a year, so we can deal with it for
a few days or a few hours.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Absolutely, And the thing to realize too, these dark, rainy
days encouraged deer to move a lot because we all
know how much they operate in darkness and dark days,
they move a lot. And you got to remember they
don't have skin, they've got a hide, and they've got

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hair that's hollow and filled with hair. They don't feel
the rain. So when it's the rut, what are they
gonna do. They're gonna keep getting down to business. I
can't over emphasize how important it is during the rut
to be out there every single minute you possible. We can't.
I mean, yeah, you just can't negate that. And rainy days, boy,

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I tell you what, Scott, you were talking about those
light drizzled days. Hooie baby, big bucks stay on their
feet all day long in the condition. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
And the strategies, Yeah, there's some strategies there. You've got
the scent factor of the pheromones that the deer are.
I mean, they're in fresh ground, they're in fresh dirt.
You know, the surface has been washed off and anybody
that's been around the old ruddy deer, whether it's a
buck or doe, man, you add a little bit of

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wetness to that, and they really got some stink to them,
you know. And then you can get in and around
the woods so well. And we've had such leaf drop
so quick that you can get in and get set
up tight, and you know, between the sound of the
rain and a lot of times those fronts will have
some wind with them and you get that quiet ground floor.

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It's there's nothing wrong with going out there looking like
Elmer Fudd. This time of year, you can really really
execute a plan of pea, you know, keep that wind
in your face and just get up and move and slip.
And it's not uncommon a lot of times for you
to get a deer up during the rut and instead

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of running off, the deer just stands up and looks
at you, or may jot off just a couple of
yards and then turns around and looks at you. And
with modern firearm season going on, man, you can get
those crosshairs or that iron sight settled real quick and
put your venison or your trophy on the wall real quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
You know. And I'm gonna mention something that will almost
sound counterintuitive, but if you give it a moment or
two of reflection, you'll understand what I'm saying. There's been
a lack of hunter participation because of the weather so far. Well,
is that derk the deer are a little more relaxed
than they would normally be. And I'm saying that Forentucky

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in Indiana. In Indiana, of course, it was the boat
hunters and the guys that are out there with crossbows.
In Kentucky, we've had pirls. But I'm telling you, these
deer have not been pressured because of the weather the
way that they normally would be, and that means they're
just a little bit more relaxed. And I guess what

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I'm trying to say here is the bottom line. I
firmly believe some of the very best hunting of this
particular season is going to be the second half of
the time we've got from now through the end of
the rifle seasons in most states.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Yeah, and for folks that are trying to look at
what's going on and how this is going to impact
you moving forward, just remember that the late season, especially
this year, we'll have the opportunity for you still to
hunt deer that are coming back into cycle. They're going

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to be receptive for breeding. If we can get Jim
some cooler weather this year in December. Along with how
spread out this rut has been, there's gonna be some
hunters that are going to have some of the best
late season hunting that they've had. And I want to
speak to something not in a right to brag. I've

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killed double digits in dose. I've killed I believe twelve
or thirteen doughs in the state of Kentucky. Zero of
those doughs have had tarsl glands that indicate that they
were fully receptible to being bred by bucks. And most

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all of these doughs have been by themselves or with faunds,
And so the amount of chasing and the amount of
bucks that are covering doughs so far has been well
below average, not just where it's supposed to be, our best,
full fledged rut chasing, like the things that you want
to see when you go out there in November. Jim,

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I don't think they've happened yet. I think they're still
in front of us.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
I guarantee you it's not. You know, people ask me, well,
how do you know these things? Well, I'll give you
the number one to look for in case folks don't
realize it. When a doll is coming into Astras, she
will have dark tarsl glands that come from those secretions
that she urinates on that goes down to her hoofs

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that enables the bucks to know she's ready to breathe.
That's number one. Number two, they exhibit extreme tail twitching
because they're nervous, and the approach of the astisk causes
those two things that if you're observer, will help you understand. Know, hey,
that dough looks like she's coming in, or that dough

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is in heat and butting. You better be ready because
there's gonna be somebody dog in her. She's exhibiting those trains.
And like you said, Scott, I've not seen it yet
in most areas. Now I'm starting to, but I'm going
to predict the next two weeks are going to be
really good for folks seeing big bucks that they're actually

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participating and chasing in a big way. There's not been
a whole lot of that so far in most areas
of good left. You better believe it, all right, folks,
great show tonight. We really deeply appreciate the call in.
We love them, We're here for you, We'll help you

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anyway we can. We'll be here next week, same place,
the same time. God bless everybody,