October 16, 2024 • 18 mins
We are chatting with music legend Gwen Stefani about her past with No Doubt, and the future of her new music.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Well, well, hi guys, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Look at your background and is the most festive background
I've ever seen?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
That was like from the Harzuku cartoon I did like
years ago.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yes, awesome, thank you, I have I have to tell you.
We did a show together at the Tacoma Dome when
Halaback Girl was released and you had the whole or
how Azuku crew with you. Yet it was the most festive,
colorable thing I've ever been a part of.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Oh, thank you. I I'm you know. It's so weird
because putting a record out, putting new music out, and
like people asking you about it, you start to really
go down memory lane, you know. And I somebody asked me, like,
is it different this time, And it is, like every
time it is completely different because of where you're at
(00:50):
as a person in your life. And during that time
period was probably one of my most creative, like free, fiery,
like I don't know. It was like everything that led
up to the solo period was like I don't know.
It was like this thing where I was like I
was so sure of everything I was doing. I was like,
(01:13):
I know what it's gonna be. And it was just
it was a really fun, you know, and you can
see the background. It felt like how that looks like?
That's what? Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. I go those nails.
Let me see those nails. Look at that.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Oh my gosh, it's Gwen. Are you expecting anything? Why not?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
You know?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
You know what's fun too, is that I've seen you
go zero to one hundred miles an hour in about
ten seconds. Because I remember that same show. I was
coming down the hallway backstage at the Tacomadom and you
were about to go on and you were doing three
song sets with high school bands. I don't know if
you remember this.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I don't even remember. I mean I remember doing a
lot of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I just imagine Gwen literally was like in a hoodie.
The hoodie was up and you were now down in
the hallway kind of like it was like eminem in
eight Mile or Rocky, like you were ready to go.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Oh, you know what it was was that was when
was that when when I would come out into the audience.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I that I don't remember. I remember it was like
it was just like a little sprinkle of Gwen Stefani.
You had just gone solo and it was like a
two or three song set. It was like a little tager.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I can't remember that exact moment, but I I just
I just feel so blessed, Like I mean, all of
these that's life, right moments, a series of moments, and
we're right now with having new music. It's it's interesting
because we were talking. I was saying about how like
each album felt something like with Tragic Kingdom, it was like, okay, like, hey,
(02:45):
let me try to do a backflip. Oh my gosh,
I can do ten in a row. Like I didn't
know I could do that. And that was me writing
a song for the first time, Like, oh I didn't
I can't do anything. I can't even spell. I'm dyslexic,
and I have no like nothing, I'm like an nobody,
And I wrote all this music, you know, And it
was just like and wrote it not knowing that anyone
(03:08):
would ever listen to it, do you know what I'm saying.
So that's like a completely different thing than like fast
forwarding to like, Okay, here we are twenty twenty four.
Me like I had just you know, tried to write
for like the last four years, and at the beginning
of the journey, it was kind of like I want
to write a reggae like SKA record. I'm want something
(03:30):
like it's happy, like COVID was happening. I just wanted
it to be and it felt very nostalgic and everything
was kind of coming back in style, and you know,
I realized that you just can't compete with yourself, like
you can't like chase the past, you can't repeat yourself,
and so that's kind of like this album felt like
a fight to get to what is my truth right now?
(03:51):
And how can I create a bouquet of music that
is like my identity of where I've become, like the
present moment right and that it's so pure that doesn't
try to compete with myself or the world that's happening
right now, Like it just needs to come from a
pure place. And so it just feels so good to
kind of have that real now and to be able
(04:14):
to share it feels like such a like I'm giving
a present because it's like I've been living with it
and I did it, and it feels so good to
get there and it feels like pure, you know what
I'm saying. So it's just it feels like I feel
light like I feel like, oh like and I wouldn't
have felt that way if I wouldn't have had to
fight to get to this point, you know what I mean.
(04:34):
But it's just been it's just been a weird journey.
Life is weird.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
That's such a great feeling to have, especially after COVID
because we were all in such a weird place with
the single somebody Else's.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Would you say you're going into.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Somewhat of a new genre with that that sound?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I think that it was like it was more about
kind of this record feels like it's kind of like
the past, the present, and then like the hope the
future in a way because lyrically it talks a lot
about the love that I've found, like like finding true
love and what that feels like, which is like I
never felt that before, so it you know, there's like
(05:15):
when you listen to the album is an album too,
It's not. It's it's a series of songs, but it's
it creates an album. Like I really edited it down
to the ten songs for they all have a purpose,
you know what I'm saying, And like somebody Else's was
a song that I didn't want to include because I
felt like it was a little bit like off topic
(05:35):
and the past, but then I realized that it kind
of needed that glimpse of the of how hard the
past was and how far and big the love grew
right out of that tragedy, and so without seeing that darkness,
you can't really see how like floral it got, you
(05:56):
know what I mean. And so it's interesting it's the
first single because I was not expecting that. But what
happens with that is that it just some the songs
just rise, like everyone just it's just there, like everyone's
like obviously that's the first thing. I'm like, I know,
isn't that weird? So like it just is interesting, like
the process and just artists so wild, like it's so
(06:20):
it's so it's it's so something you can't really like
see it. It just happens, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
It's interesting to me that you mentioned wanting to kind
of meld your different styles into this album, because I
think you really nailed it with somebody Else's. Like I
was listening to the song, not speaking on the lyrics,
speaking on kind of the the the the the vibe
of it. Ye starts out, it starts I'm not gonna
lie it starts out slightly country, and I literally my
(06:47):
first thought was, Oh, here we go. And then you
get a little bit into it, and then I hear
when Stefani just starting out solo like we were talking about,
and then about halfway through the song, I hear myself going, sorry,
I'm not home right now, I'm walking like you hit
them all.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Wow, that's so cool that you heard that. I I
think that like the way that the sonically, how the
record came together was well, first of all, it was
like trying. I really, I really was like, what what
do I don't want to listen to like SKA music
right now? Like I did that right, Like that was
me finding my identity when I was a teenager, right, So,
(07:25):
Like I guess that's why when I wrote the songs,
the first half of this record didn't come out like
it was like oh, because that's not really me right now.
But like all the music that I really listened to,
and I don't know if that's the same for you,
but like I kind of at this age and going
back to like my childhood, like I'm listening to like
Steely Dan and like you know, like all of the
(07:47):
stuff that I was in the back of the station
wagon on the way to church, and my mom would
turn around and be like, how do you know all
the words? And I'm like, oh, And it was just
kind of the soft rock of the time, right, and
I think they call it yacht rock now, like yeah,
and it's it's like just a certain feeling of like
it's it's storytelling like country music, but it's not. This
(08:11):
record is nothing to do with I mean, it has
no country. There's not the only thing that's country on
this record is that A lot of it's about Blake
Shelton's He's just I don't know, he's just nobody country guy.
But but yeah, like I feel like I have gone
country because I'm married Blake, but I'm not. The music's not.
(08:33):
And I think that the other thing that, you know,
I wanted to do after I wrote the music, which
was very indulgent and very like it was very crazy
and I didn't think it was going to happen, was
I wanted to work with a producer called Scott Hendrix,
who is a country producer. And if you know anything
about creating music, I mean, what makes something country? Like
(08:57):
I don't know, like I guess twayang and Somebody's boys
or like the instrumentation, but this record has really none
of that instrumentation on it. But I did cut the
record with Scott Hendrix, who in not in Oklahoma, in
Nashville with these amazing musicians. And the reason I did
that was because I wanted to work with Scott, because
(09:17):
Scott is literally a genius and I knew him through
Blake and I mean, I've worked with so many different
producers like in my lifetime, and the way we used
to cut records is the way that Scott cuts records,
and that's how No Doubt cut their records, which is
like individual players having their own identity, their own talent
(09:38):
and coming together and playing live. And that's how this
whole album was cut in two days. And wow. Yeah.
So Scott wasn't even available to work with me because
he had contracts, and four days after he retired, he
went in the studio with me and did this record,
which is completely crazy because the idea of him doing
my record like an Orange County girl with this Nashville
(10:01):
it doesn't make any sense, Like it just doesn't. But
when I sent him some of the songs, he texted
me back, which was like I literally like freaked out
that Scott wrote me and then he was like I
can't stop listening to these songs, and I was like,
this is the weirdest thing ever, but I guess we're
doing it. And I think that's what made the record
kind of land because I knew that I had the
(10:22):
music and the songs, but I some of the original
ways that I cut them felt very two thousands, and
I just didn't. I knew I couldn't repeat myself, like
I knew that would be the wrong idea, so coming
and just making it feel organic and real and pure
that's what it needed. And so that's that's probably what
(10:44):
you're hearing like because people all worked really well.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I thank you in my mind as a listener, as
a as a longtime fan, it just was here's a
little piece of me from here. Here's a little piece
of me from here. Here's it didn't feel rehashed. I think,
if that's what you're worried about, not at all. I
didn't that at all.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Love that, thank you.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I need to know other songs on on Bouquet that
you love, Like, I know they're all your babies, but like,
what are the other must listens.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Right, I think that there's a song that like, because
they did send the record out that I've been doing
a talking to a lot of DJs. It's been really fun.
And a couple of girls came up to me like
the last couple of days and they were like, I
was crying on and they were like, can you guess
what song? And I was like, there's a song called
pretty And that song is like such a I feel
(11:34):
like when you like find love, like real love, like
for the first time, it's weird because you like, like
I look at my you look at yourself visually, like
your whole life, and you think like I can remember
in like junior high school, like being in the gym
and like nobody was in there and I was looking
in the mirror and I was like, am I pretty?
(11:55):
Like I don't know, Like you don't know when you're
a kid what pretty is or what you think it is.
And I think you really find out what pretty is
when someone think loves you, you know what I'm saying,
And like that's when you feel really pretty, like you
and I and I wanted to write a song about that.
So I think that that that's going to hit home
for a lot of people that have found somebody that
(12:17):
loves them. And you know, there's another song called Bouquet,
which is a title track, and I think that that
song is a really lyrically such a great explanation of
somebody that might have had a dream that was absolutely
blown up into pieces and having to like figure out,
(12:39):
how do I make a bouquet with this new life,
Like how do I make a new a new family,
a new like a new dream, you know, and and
and put it all together and tie it in a bow,
you know. And that's kind of what that song kind
of echoes to. And I think that's very relatable for people,
because everybody has to suffer. Everybody goes through horrible things
(13:01):
in the world because the world's broken, but like you know,
there's always like something amazing and beautiful that can come
out of that. And that's why there's so many references
to flowers and seeds and you know, sowing seeds in
the earth and on this album, because it's such a
metaphor for our lives and how you know, like even
(13:22):
with the album, like I planted this seed of hope
for myself that I could make music again, even though
I'm super far into the future of my life. But
once you plant the seed, it's like, that's hope. That's
the hope we all need every single day, sowing yes.
And so I think that this record just kind of
(13:42):
plays on that a lot. So I think people are
gonna love it. I think it's just such an honest album.
And I don't mean I'm not like in a braggy way,
like I always feel like I know this that the
songs are always have been in my entire career, have
been handed to me by God, like I don't take responsibility,
like it's the ones that are the really good songs.
(14:04):
I'm just as amazed. I'm like, what like And I'm
always like, Frank, please give me that, and I press
the button and sometimes most of the times it doesn't work.
But are you in La right now? I'm in La
right now, actually going to homecoming at my kids' school
after this, and a couple of the kids are gonna
(14:25):
my kids are gonna be performing. So I'm excited to
see that. That's great.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Do you find that you have a little more anonymity
when you're in Oklahoma? What do you Last time we
talked to you talked about going to the Walmart and
we're like, I just can't picture that.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I think that the reason why it feels a lot
freer in Oklahoma is because there's no people where we live.
There's literally no Like our town is so small. We
don't really go in the town very often. If we
do have to get food, we do go to Walmart.
Blake does not go so anyone and anyone there in Oklahoma.
(15:02):
He's not going to show up. But you might see
me though, But yeah, it's it's just I think what
I love about Oklahoma's Blake first of all. Second of all,
I think that being in nature like that, like in
just a vast like place that just has seasons and
like it's so wild and it just makes you feel
(15:25):
like so calm, you know, and I never want to
leave when I get there, like every time. And if
we didn't have school down the street you're in LA,
I'd probably be there the whole time. But yeah, he's
there right now.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
So it's International Day of the Girl. I'll close with
this question. Okay, as someone who I think could I
think it could be argued that you were the voice
and maybe a role model for an entire generation. I
know that's heavy I'm going to say it. What what
advice or what would you say to let's say twelve,
your ghen who's trying to make it right now? Knowing
(16:02):
what you know now. We always say that if I
knew then what I know now.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Oh, there's so many things. I would say that poor
little girl I was we just talked about her in
the gym, like you know, I guess I would say that,
like the one thing that that makes well. First of all,
I would say that that faith is probably the most
important thing. That my mom planted that seed in me
(16:28):
when I was a little girl, and I've had to
lean on that so much, and you know, finding it
helps me to find my purpose, and like, you know,
I think that that is very very important. And I
would tell her like don't don't don't get lost. We
all get lost, but try not to get lost. And
then I would also say like, just be you, just
(16:49):
keep being you, because that's where you're gonna win. And
I try to tell people that on the voice all
the time, because the one thing I can say, when
you look back, it's like I didn't try to be
I was just being myself, Like I was so unbelievably
naive and so sheltered and so innocent when the Tragic
Kingdom came out that I was just being so pure
(17:11):
that that's what won, right, I think. And it's like
that's the thing that people want is because we're all
so unique, you know, there's nobody like each one of us.
So I think that's what I would say, Just keep
keep trying to be saturated in your own self.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
It's yourself.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
We all have bad sides too.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
So the new album Bouquet is out November fifteenth. You
can hear the new song somebody Else's Right now streaming
streaming a lot of different places, including the iHeartRadio app.
Gwen always great. I love these twice yearly check ins.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I love it too. Thank you guys so much for
playing the record. Thank you to everyone that's listening. I
love you guys. You're my inspiration, you know. And and
just enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Christmas, have fun tonight, good luck for the kids.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Bye, guys,
Well good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Well, well, hi guys, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Look at your background and is the most festive background
I've ever seen?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
That was like from the Harzuku cartoon I did like
years ago.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yes, awesome, thank you, I have I have to tell you.
We did a show together at the Tacoma Dome when
Halaback Girl was released and you had the whole or
how Azuku crew with you. Yet it was the most festive,
colorable thing I've ever been a part of.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Oh, thank you. I I'm you know. It's so weird
because putting a record out, putting new music out, and
like people asking you about it, you start to really
go down memory lane, you know. And I somebody asked me, like,
is it different this time, And it is, like every
time it is completely different because of where you're at
(00:50):
as a person in your life. And during that time
period was probably one of my most creative, like free, fiery,
like I don't know. It was like everything that led
up to the solo period was like I don't know.
It was like this thing where I was like I
was so sure of everything I was doing. I was like,
(01:13):
I know what it's gonna be. And it was just
it was a really fun, you know, and you can
see the background. It felt like how that looks like?
That's what? Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. I go those nails.
Let me see those nails. Look at that.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Oh my gosh, it's Gwen. Are you expecting anything? Why not?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
You know?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
You know what's fun too, is that I've seen you
go zero to one hundred miles an hour in about
ten seconds. Because I remember that same show. I was
coming down the hallway backstage at the Tacomadom and you
were about to go on and you were doing three
song sets with high school bands. I don't know if
you remember this.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I don't even remember. I mean I remember doing a
lot of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I just imagine Gwen literally was like in a hoodie.
The hoodie was up and you were now down in
the hallway kind of like it was like eminem in
eight Mile or Rocky, like you were ready to go.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Oh, you know what it was was that was when
was that when when I would come out into the audience.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I that I don't remember. I remember it was like
it was just like a little sprinkle of Gwen Stefani.
You had just gone solo and it was like a
two or three song set. It was like a little tager.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I can't remember that exact moment, but I I just
I just feel so blessed, Like I mean, all of
these that's life, right moments, a series of moments, and
we're right now with having new music. It's it's interesting
because we were talking. I was saying about how like
each album felt something like with Tragic Kingdom, it was like, okay, like, hey,
(02:45):
let me try to do a backflip. Oh my gosh,
I can do ten in a row. Like I didn't
know I could do that. And that was me writing
a song for the first time, Like, oh I didn't
I can't do anything. I can't even spell. I'm dyslexic,
and I have no like nothing, I'm like an nobody,
And I wrote all this music, you know, And it
was just like and wrote it not knowing that anyone
(03:08):
would ever listen to it, do you know what I'm saying.
So that's like a completely different thing than like fast
forwarding to like, Okay, here we are twenty twenty four.
Me like I had just you know, tried to write
for like the last four years, and at the beginning
of the journey, it was kind of like I want
to write a reggae like SKA record. I'm want something
(03:30):
like it's happy, like COVID was happening. I just wanted
it to be and it felt very nostalgic and everything
was kind of coming back in style, and you know,
I realized that you just can't compete with yourself, like
you can't like chase the past, you can't repeat yourself,
and so that's kind of like this album felt like
a fight to get to what is my truth right now?
(03:51):
And how can I create a bouquet of music that
is like my identity of where I've become, like the
present moment right and that it's so pure that doesn't
try to compete with myself or the world that's happening
right now, Like it just needs to come from a
pure place. And so it just feels so good to
kind of have that real now and to be able
(04:14):
to share it feels like such a like I'm giving
a present because it's like I've been living with it
and I did it, and it feels so good to
get there and it feels like pure, you know what
I'm saying. So it's just it feels like I feel
light like I feel like, oh like and I wouldn't
have felt that way if I wouldn't have had to
fight to get to this point, you know what I mean.
(04:34):
But it's just been it's just been a weird journey.
Life is weird.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
That's such a great feeling to have, especially after COVID
because we were all in such a weird place with
the single somebody Else's.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Would you say you're going into.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Somewhat of a new genre with that that sound?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I think that it was like it was more about
kind of this record feels like it's kind of like
the past, the present, and then like the hope the
future in a way because lyrically it talks a lot
about the love that I've found, like like finding true
love and what that feels like, which is like I
never felt that before, so it you know, there's like
(05:15):
when you listen to the album is an album too,
It's not. It's it's a series of songs, but it's
it creates an album. Like I really edited it down
to the ten songs for they all have a purpose,
you know what I'm saying, And like somebody Else's was
a song that I didn't want to include because I
felt like it was a little bit like off topic
(05:35):
and the past, but then I realized that it kind
of needed that glimpse of the of how hard the
past was and how far and big the love grew
right out of that tragedy, and so without seeing that darkness,
you can't really see how like floral it got, you
(05:56):
know what I mean. And so it's interesting it's the
first single because I was not expecting that. But what
happens with that is that it just some the songs
just rise, like everyone just it's just there, like everyone's
like obviously that's the first thing. I'm like, I know,
isn't that weird? So like it just is interesting, like
the process and just artists so wild, like it's so
(06:20):
it's so it's it's so something you can't really like
see it. It just happens, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
It's interesting to me that you mentioned wanting to kind
of meld your different styles into this album, because I
think you really nailed it with somebody Else's. Like I
was listening to the song, not speaking on the lyrics,
speaking on kind of the the the the the vibe
of it. Ye starts out, it starts I'm not gonna
lie it starts out slightly country, and I literally my
(06:47):
first thought was, Oh, here we go. And then you
get a little bit into it, and then I hear
when Stefani just starting out solo like we were talking about,
and then about halfway through the song, I hear myself going, sorry,
I'm not home right now, I'm walking like you hit
them all.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Wow, that's so cool that you heard that. I I
think that like the way that the sonically, how the
record came together was well, first of all, it was
like trying. I really, I really was like, what what
do I don't want to listen to like SKA music
right now? Like I did that right, Like that was
me finding my identity when I was a teenager, right, So,
(07:25):
Like I guess that's why when I wrote the songs,
the first half of this record didn't come out like
it was like oh, because that's not really me right now.
But like all the music that I really listened to,
and I don't know if that's the same for you,
but like I kind of at this age and going
back to like my childhood, like I'm listening to like
Steely Dan and like you know, like all of the
(07:47):
stuff that I was in the back of the station
wagon on the way to church, and my mom would
turn around and be like, how do you know all
the words? And I'm like, oh, And it was just
kind of the soft rock of the time, right, and
I think they call it yacht rock now, like yeah,
and it's it's like just a certain feeling of like
it's it's storytelling like country music, but it's not. This
(08:11):
record is nothing to do with I mean, it has
no country. There's not the only thing that's country on
this record is that A lot of it's about Blake
Shelton's He's just I don't know, he's just nobody country guy.
But but yeah, like I feel like I have gone
country because I'm married Blake, but I'm not. The music's not.
(08:33):
And I think that the other thing that, you know,
I wanted to do after I wrote the music, which
was very indulgent and very like it was very crazy
and I didn't think it was going to happen, was
I wanted to work with a producer called Scott Hendrix,
who is a country producer. And if you know anything
about creating music, I mean, what makes something country? Like
(08:57):
I don't know, like I guess twayang and Somebody's boys
or like the instrumentation, but this record has really none
of that instrumentation on it. But I did cut the
record with Scott Hendrix, who in not in Oklahoma, in
Nashville with these amazing musicians. And the reason I did
that was because I wanted to work with Scott, because
(09:17):
Scott is literally a genius and I knew him through
Blake and I mean, I've worked with so many different
producers like in my lifetime, and the way we used
to cut records is the way that Scott cuts records,
and that's how No Doubt cut their records, which is
like individual players having their own identity, their own talent
(09:38):
and coming together and playing live. And that's how this
whole album was cut in two days. And wow. Yeah.
So Scott wasn't even available to work with me because
he had contracts, and four days after he retired, he
went in the studio with me and did this record,
which is completely crazy because the idea of him doing
my record like an Orange County girl with this Nashville
(10:01):
it doesn't make any sense, Like it just doesn't. But
when I sent him some of the songs, he texted
me back, which was like I literally like freaked out
that Scott wrote me and then he was like I
can't stop listening to these songs, and I was like,
this is the weirdest thing ever, but I guess we're
doing it. And I think that's what made the record
kind of land because I knew that I had the
(10:22):
music and the songs, but I some of the original
ways that I cut them felt very two thousands, and
I just didn't. I knew I couldn't repeat myself, like
I knew that would be the wrong idea, so coming
and just making it feel organic and real and pure
that's what it needed. And so that's that's probably what
(10:44):
you're hearing like because people all worked really well.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I thank you in my mind as a listener, as
a as a longtime fan, it just was here's a
little piece of me from here. Here's a little piece
of me from here. Here's it didn't feel rehashed. I think,
if that's what you're worried about, not at all. I
didn't that at all.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Love that, thank you.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I need to know other songs on on Bouquet that
you love, Like, I know they're all your babies, but like,
what are the other must listens.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Right, I think that there's a song that like, because
they did send the record out that I've been doing
a talking to a lot of DJs. It's been really fun.
And a couple of girls came up to me like
the last couple of days and they were like, I
was crying on and they were like, can you guess
what song? And I was like, there's a song called
pretty And that song is like such a I feel
(11:34):
like when you like find love, like real love, like
for the first time, it's weird because you like, like
I look at my you look at yourself visually, like
your whole life, and you think like I can remember
in like junior high school, like being in the gym
and like nobody was in there and I was looking
in the mirror and I was like, am I pretty?
(11:55):
Like I don't know, Like you don't know when you're
a kid what pretty is or what you think it is.
And I think you really find out what pretty is
when someone think loves you, you know what I'm saying,
And like that's when you feel really pretty, like you
and I and I wanted to write a song about that.
So I think that that that's going to hit home
for a lot of people that have found somebody that
(12:17):
loves them. And you know, there's another song called Bouquet,
which is a title track, and I think that that
song is a really lyrically such a great explanation of
somebody that might have had a dream that was absolutely
blown up into pieces and having to like figure out,
(12:39):
how do I make a bouquet with this new life,
Like how do I make a new a new family,
a new like a new dream, you know, and and
and put it all together and tie it in a bow,
you know. And that's kind of what that song kind
of echoes to. And I think that's very relatable for people,
because everybody has to suffer. Everybody goes through horrible things
(13:01):
in the world because the world's broken, but like you know,
there's always like something amazing and beautiful that can come
out of that. And that's why there's so many references
to flowers and seeds and you know, sowing seeds in
the earth and on this album, because it's such a
metaphor for our lives and how you know, like even
(13:22):
with the album, like I planted this seed of hope
for myself that I could make music again, even though
I'm super far into the future of my life. But
once you plant the seed, it's like, that's hope. That's
the hope we all need every single day, sowing yes.
And so I think that this record just kind of
(13:42):
plays on that a lot. So I think people are
gonna love it. I think it's just such an honest album.
And I don't mean I'm not like in a braggy way,
like I always feel like I know this that the
songs are always have been in my entire career, have
been handed to me by God, like I don't take responsibility,
like it's the ones that are the really good songs.
(14:04):
I'm just as amazed. I'm like, what like And I'm
always like, Frank, please give me that, and I press
the button and sometimes most of the times it doesn't work.
But are you in La right now? I'm in La
right now, actually going to homecoming at my kids' school
after this, and a couple of the kids are gonna
(14:25):
my kids are gonna be performing. So I'm excited to
see that. That's great.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Do you find that you have a little more anonymity
when you're in Oklahoma? What do you Last time we
talked to you talked about going to the Walmart and
we're like, I just can't picture that.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I think that the reason why it feels a lot
freer in Oklahoma is because there's no people where we live.
There's literally no Like our town is so small. We
don't really go in the town very often. If we
do have to get food, we do go to Walmart.
Blake does not go so anyone and anyone there in Oklahoma.
(15:02):
He's not going to show up. But you might see
me though, But yeah, it's it's just I think what
I love about Oklahoma's Blake first of all. Second of all,
I think that being in nature like that, like in
just a vast like place that just has seasons and
like it's so wild and it just makes you feel
(15:25):
like so calm, you know, and I never want to
leave when I get there, like every time. And if
we didn't have school down the street you're in LA,
I'd probably be there the whole time. But yeah, he's
there right now.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
So it's International Day of the Girl. I'll close with
this question. Okay, as someone who I think could I
think it could be argued that you were the voice
and maybe a role model for an entire generation. I
know that's heavy I'm going to say it. What what
advice or what would you say to let's say twelve,
your ghen who's trying to make it right now? Knowing
(16:02):
what you know now. We always say that if I
knew then what I know now.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Oh, there's so many things. I would say that poor
little girl I was we just talked about her in
the gym, like you know, I guess I would say that,
like the one thing that that makes well. First of all,
I would say that that faith is probably the most
important thing. That my mom planted that seed in me
(16:28):
when I was a little girl, and I've had to
lean on that so much, and you know, finding it
helps me to find my purpose, and like, you know,
I think that that is very very important. And I
would tell her like don't don't don't get lost. We
all get lost, but try not to get lost. And
then I would also say like, just be you, just
(16:49):
keep being you, because that's where you're gonna win. And
I try to tell people that on the voice all
the time, because the one thing I can say, when
you look back, it's like I didn't try to be
I was just being myself, Like I was so unbelievably
naive and so sheltered and so innocent when the Tragic
Kingdom came out that I was just being so pure
(17:11):
that that's what won, right, I think. And it's like
that's the thing that people want is because we're all
so unique, you know, there's nobody like each one of us.
So I think that's what I would say, Just keep
keep trying to be saturated in your own self.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
It's yourself.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
We all have bad sides too.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
So the new album Bouquet is out November fifteenth. You
can hear the new song somebody Else's Right now streaming
streaming a lot of different places, including the iHeartRadio app.
Gwen always great. I love these twice yearly check ins.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I love it too. Thank you guys so much for
playing the record. Thank you to everyone that's listening. I
love you guys. You're my inspiration, you know. And and
just enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Christmas, have fun tonight, good luck for the kids.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Bye, guys,
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