12th Man Post Game: Seahawks lose to Bills.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Your home for the twelfth Man finally presents the twelfth
Man postgame.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Show Feattle Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Lek's coming again, Smith in trouble Backheddle's back.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
Passing, it is picked off, It's intercepted by Austin Johnson.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Cook racing to the pilot. He is in touchdown Buffalo
book again, right off the meadow and up.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
And on touchdown Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Second of the day for James Cook, and the Bill's
blowing out the Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Here at home.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
I'm looking outside at Occidental Avenue. I see thousands of
Seahawks fans, Somber Sullen getting rained on.

Speaker 5 (01:13):
Right now.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
Skies are dark and gray wind is howling, and that
is just exactly the mood of Seahawk Nation right now.
Dick Fane with you twelve Man Post Game Show live
from Jimmy's on first and Andrews. I think we need
some some therapy. I think we need people to call.

Speaker 5 (01:34):
I think I want to I want to talk to somebody.
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
We go usually in these twelve man post game shows,
we go, we go right to Hubriet Love Millan. We
you know, we get to breaking it down. Sometimes it's good,
sometimes it's bad. But I you know, sometimes just talking
things over as therapeutic. So give us a call right now.
You've got an opportunity right this second to get on there.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
I call it. I promise you can go right now.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
You will get on the air to six two eight,
six nine five nine five and one hundred eight two
nine zero nine five zero, because these are the types
of games that you just need to sit back and
talk it over a little bit. Let your frustrations out,
let your animosity out, let your disgust out, whatever emotion

(02:18):
you are. Yeah, like Jared Reid, that was the most
aggressive the Seahawks defense was the whole day. Jaron Reid
getting after Derek Hall on the sidelines. Oh my goodness,
two eight six nine one two nine zero nine five zero.
We'll We'll talk to Hugh in just a few moments.
But you know, coming into this game, I did not

(02:39):
have high hopes. I I thought the Seahawks would lose.
I had I had no idea it would be like this.
I had no thoughts that it would be blowout city.
I mean I thought, maybe ya thirty one twenty one,
where they're kind of in it. You know, it's a
close game, kind of exciting, and you know, maybe the

(02:59):
Bills were a late touchdown to kind of put it away,
but you kind of you would.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
Kind of leave thinking, ah, you know what that was
a that.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
Was a pretty decent performance by a Seahawk team that's,
you know, mediocre and nine ish win team against the
team that is competing, competing for the AFC Championship and
competing for the Super Bowl. But boy, we didn't get
that at all. I mean we got we got the
Carolina Panthers. I mean that's what we got today. We
got the We got the Carolina Panthers at home against

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the Buffalo Bills in this game.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
So what's your emotion right now? Give us a call
and we'll talk it over.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
You know, I'm not even angry those of you that
listen to my postgame show after the Giants game.

Speaker 5 (03:39):
You remember my emotions after that game. I was just ticked.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
I was as angry and I said it at the time,
I said, I'm as.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
Angry as I have been in four or.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Five years after one of these games because you just
failed to show against a bad football team. And I'm
not angry at this game today because you're not playing
the Giants, you're not playing the Panthers, You're playing one
of the top three teams in the NFL. But what
I am is my emotions are disgusted and embarrassed. What

(04:12):
are your emotions right now? I'm disgusted, I'm embarrassed with
what I saw this team do. And I spent the
last five minutes or so, it didn't take long. Spent
the last five minutes or so writing down some of
the undisciplined things that went on this game that point

(04:32):
directly that Mike McDonald and his coaching staff to snap
over the head by Connor Williams. Then Connor Williams stepping
on Geno Smith.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
God, that wasn't turning point in the game, wasn't it.

Speaker 5 (04:47):
It really was? Yeah, it really was.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
I mean the center played today, I mean, the whole
offensive line play was terrible. But the center play in
particular from a guy that has actually been probably your
second best offensive lineman, Cheryl's cross, he probably has been
Gino throwing the highlight you played Gino throwing a screen
into a defensive lineman's belly, just like has absolutely no

(05:14):
reason to throw that ball. Now, maybe that wasn't That
one was more on Geno than it was on the coaches,
But these other ones are scary.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
To think about with this coaching staff.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
Derek Hall with the late shove of Josh Allen f
you've already gotten them with an obvious procedure penalty, and
then Hall lets him off the hook, and then he
get Jared Reid going after Hal on the field, and
then he goes after Hall on the sidelines.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Undisciplined Josh job.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
A late shove way after a fifteen yard penalty flag
was thrown on Buffalo. So instead of the fifteen yard
penalty flag and second and twenty three, it's a nothing,
it's an offsetting penalty. You have to take a time out.
You've got Buffalo back before the end of the first half,
you got them backed up on third and eight, and

(06:04):
you have to take a time out because your defense
is not set you let Buffalo and the fans were
going nuts at that point. I thought the fans came
out at night, you know, not chast dies the fans.
This week, I was like, why aren't we loud anymore?
I only beginning the game, fans came ready to play.
The fans came ready to play. They were loud at
the outset. Even after the first possession by the Seahawks

(06:27):
was horrible on offense they putted, the fans were ready
to go.

Speaker 5 (06:32):
In that first Bill's offensive possession, GINO.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
A fifteen yard taunting penalty after a non call on
a late hit, discipline, delay of game on a fourth
and nineteen discipline.

Speaker 5 (06:49):
I mean, it just went on and on and on
in the.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
This team is so inconsistent. I mean, look what has
happened over the last like five weeks. You had an
A game against Atlanta, You had a D game against
the Niners, you had a B game against the Lions,
and you had two f's against the Giants and the Bills.
You have no idea what team is going to show
up on the football field when the Seahawks come to play.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
No idea, no consistency whatsoever. Let's go to the phone lines.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Share with me, Ben with me, help me out here,
Vic and Seattle, you're.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
On the twelve man post game show. Vic, what's going on?

Speaker 6 (07:29):
MN and how are we not ready for this game?
You get seventeen chances in the NFL. The coaches did
not look back there ready, like you spoke to the undisciplined.
Is Gino act like a rookie today? You're thirty four
years old. Come on, dude, you're a victory. You're supposed
to be a leader.

Speaker 7 (07:49):
That tunting penalty he got with god awful. He just
didn't look ready.

Speaker 8 (07:54):
The whole team didn't look ready.

Speaker 7 (07:56):
How can that be?

Speaker 8 (07:57):
I just I don't get it.

Speaker 7 (07:59):
The fans, like you said, they're ready to go, they're
ready to support, But the team, they're not behind the fans.

Speaker 8 (08:06):
And it is clear.

Speaker 7 (08:07):
And you know, we've been supporting these guys from forever
and this is the way they pay us back.

Speaker 8 (08:12):
I just don't get it, man, I just don't get.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
I appreciate the call, Vic, And and you know a
lot of folks left it at halftime. A lot of
folks left the end of the third quarter. I totally
get I appreciate the call. Uh, Vic, you know it.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
It is. It is embarrassing.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
And what you said that that touchdown by by Cook
early in the fourth quarter when he gets the ball
handed to him at like the seven and he just
like runs like a hot knife through butter through just
not not even arm tackles.

Speaker 5 (08:43):
He's just bouncing off of guys. I mean that's another thing.
I mean, this football team quit.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
They absolutely You cannot show any football fan that has
ever watched the game in their life that play of
James Cook on a just a direct handoff from the
seven yard line walk into the end zone and tell
me this football team didn't quit with I mean with
twelve It wasn't like two minutes left to go. There's
like twelve and a half minutes left to go in

(09:12):
the game when that happened.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
Jordan and Tacoma your next up? What's up? Jordan?

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Hey?

Speaker 9 (09:17):
How you doing? I mean, you guys are echoing most
of my thoughts. For me, it's that the fact you
get to the first the one yard line and the
two yard lines in separate gives and get three total points.
I mean it's like, what are we doing? And then
all the other things that have been mentioned in the

(09:38):
last few minutes add on to that. So I'll leave
you with that. But to me, that was that was
the bottom line.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Just come on absolutely. I mean, it's one thing to
get stopped. I mean, I appreciate the call.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
I mean, I I didn't have a problem and I'll
talk to Hugh later about whether he had an issue
with the you know going forward on fourth and one
down there.

Speaker 5 (09:57):
I didn't have an issue going for it.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
What I had issue with was, and I'm as big
a fan of the I formation as anybody, but you
run eye formation once and you get nothing, and then
you run the same exact play again and get nothing again.
I mean, there's gotta be a little creativity thrown in
there from Ryan Grubb, But you're right.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
I mean those two plays. I think of any plays.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
That are gonna stick into my head from this game,
it's gonna be the snap over Gino's head and Connor
Williams stepping on Gino's foot. I mean, Andrews, it was
Keystone cop Ish Like, it's one thing. It's one thing
to get beat by a better team. If and that's
what I thought was gonna happen today. I thought the
Seahawks were gonna come in, play hard, play fairly well

(10:40):
and just get beat by a better team with a
better quarterback. But it was it wasn't that like, yeah,
they got beat by a better team, but they beat
themselves like ten different times.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
I itemized them like three minutes ago.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
Man, Yeah, just so frustrathooting themselves.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
Garrett and Kirkland your next up on the twelve Man
post game show.

Speaker 10 (11:00):
High Garrett, Hey, Dick, you mentioned Connor Williams and to me,
this goes all the way back to the trade of
Max Hunger or Jimmy Graham and not investing in the
offensive line. Yeah, so, you know, just just some of
this stuff of not having a real chemistry with those
five guns up front, you know, not counting injuries and whatnot.

(11:21):
But does that have anything to do with it? And
the same thing as you know, these the trades on
the defense in the past week, is that just shuffling
deck chairs? Are Titanic or or West as far as.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Well, I mean, I appreciate the call.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
I mean the move that they made this week was
a move to try to shore up the run defense,
and at least for one game, that didn't work at
all because I thought James Cook looking like Walter Payton
out there.

Speaker 5 (11:46):
It's not that I'm not gonna say Jones played a
bad game today. I mean, he made a lot of tackles.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
I'll have to ask you what he thought of the
of the performance by the newest Seahawk.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
But it's just.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
One of the biggest issues who's going into the season.
One of the biggest concerns we had about this football
team was will they be able to hold up on
both lines? Will they be able to hold up against
the run on defense? Will they be able to run
the ball on offense? And so far the answer has
been no to both. And it's kind of amazing that
they're still in first place. I mean, that's the thing.

(12:20):
I mean, the NFL is so mediocre. Other than the
top four or five teams and the bottom four or
five teams.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
And we've said this for a few years.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
Now, the middle twenty four to five teams or twenty
three teams can come out and look like gangbusters one
week and terrible.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
The next.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Testament to the Seahawks being four and four and in
first place in the NFC West.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
There's just no good team right now in this division.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
Now, I think the forty nine Ers are a good
team and will be a good team. I don't know
if it starts tonight against the Cowboys because they're still
banged up and the Cowboys are kind of in a
good spot. But I think the Niners eventually will take
over this division. I said that, you know, last week,
the week before, the week before that. I mean, the
Seahawks are certainly not ready to win a division, There's

(13:14):
no question about it. But the thing is as low
as we get today, and we're super low. As low
as we get today, this team can still very easily
get to nine to eight and make a playoff spot
just because of the mediocrity in the rest of the league.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
Let's go to Uh, what do you Roberts?

Speaker 11 (13:31):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (13:31):
Guap? Let's what's up? Robert? How are you right?

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Hey, Dave?

Speaker 8 (13:35):
Thanks for taking my call, Beck, I just wanted to
say that when you're one for seven on third downs
and total rushing yards thirty two yards for the Seahawks. Yeah,
I was born in.

Speaker 11 (13:47):
Raids in the Seahawks, you know.

Speaker 8 (13:49):
I was born and raids in Washington.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
And the Seahawks have always been known.

Speaker 8 (13:53):
For a running attack. What happened to that? Does Ryan
Grubbs just lose total confidence in our offensive line that
it appears to established a run game.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
It appears so it really does.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
And I've been as critical of Ryan Grubb as anybody
on the air.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
In the air, I think in this in all of Seattle.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
I think I've been as critical as Ryan Grubb on
his pass run ratio this year. But he obviously is scared.
He is obviously scared to run the football. And then
it just gets reinforced when you have games like this
where he tries to run the football and Ken Walker
gets blown up a yard in the backfield. So I mean,

(14:35):
I understand. I still think it has to be done.
I think the run game could be a little more creative.
I think Ryan Grubb is tremendously creative in his past schemes.
I don't think he's ever really been very creative in
his running attack. I didn't think he was creative at
Washington in his running attack. That was pretty pretty vanilla
play calls. You know, hand it off to Dylan Johnson, left,

(14:57):
handed off to Dylan Johnson. Right, you know it either
doesn't work. I think he's been very vanilla in in
his running play calls here. I think his pass play
calls are usually pretty darn good.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
He is.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
He's able to scheme guys open in the past game
now it didn't happen today, Boyle boy. That's another thing
we got to talk to you about is without DK
Metcalf in there, that offense looks considerably different.

Speaker 5 (15:21):
There is no question about that, you know.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
And you and I have gone back and forth on DK,
and my major issue with DK has always been the
discipline type stuff has always been either the discipline stuff
or the drops stuff. It hasn't been the what does
he do for your offense stuff? And he has always
been the here's what DK brings your offense, and he

(15:45):
was exactly right about that. Look at the offense today,
look at the passing game today. Without DK Metcalf, they
didn't have a guy that could.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
Separate, not one.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
There was no separation out there, and Gino actually got
some time. I thought the pass blocking was a lot
better than the run blocking today. The run blocking was
not existent, but pass blocking for the most part, there
was a lot of times where Gino actually held the
ball too long before letting it go, so he did
have the time a lot we got anybody else anders

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that's it for now, But if you've got a couple
more minutes maybe before we had to break but two
of six, two eight, six, ninety five ninety five vent.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
It's a venting session here on the twelve post game show.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
Yeah, it certainly is.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
And you know we talk about the you know, the
inside the two and you know that was a problem
for Ryan Grub at Washington.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
As great as Ryan Grub was at Washington, and he
was fabulous when the Huskies got inside.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
The three or four yard line, he had a hard
time punching it in.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
And right now we're seeing it again. They're having a
hard time inside the five yard line punching it in again.
It's easier with fourteen out there. It's easier when you've
got a monster that you can kind of throw it
up into the corner of the end zone.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
And they are having a really hard time scoring inside
the five yard line.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
It's kind of like, you know, it's like the old
Spider Man meme.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
It's the Huskies and the Seahawks, right, like yay, who's
red zone offense can be worse?

Speaker 5 (17:14):
This weekend?

Speaker 4 (17:16):
The dogs are the Seahawks and they're just pointing at
each other, at the police department. You know, it's just
really really frustrating. So again, undisciplined, sloppy. I'm not mad,
I'm more disgusted. I'm more disappointed.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
And I really hope and I believe.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
That again, like you and I said in the last
postgame show when we were discussing another loss, this is
getting really old by the way, discussing losses and Jimmy's
on first after Seattle Seahawks games, but we said, trust
the resume, trust the resume, trust Mike McDonald's resume, trust
Ryan Grubbs resume.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
I'm gonna continue to do that.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
But when I see all of the undisciplinary actions out
there on the field, that to me points directly at
the head football coach. And if you're gonna be undisciplined,
if you're gonna kind of tow the line between tough

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and over aggressive, like Pete Carroll teams did, right, Pete
Carroll teams at a lot of times walk that fine
line and they'd get Yeah, they'd get the off side
penalty for being extra aggressive, or they get the fifteen
yard penalty for doing something stupid a little bit after
the whistle, but they backed.

Speaker 5 (18:37):
It up with hard ass football.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
And you're not getting that side of the coin right
now with this football team. But I'm still gonna trust
that this is the right coaching staff. It's been eight games.
You gotta give them time. But when I gave you
that litany of all the just you know, fourth grade
youth football mistakes that.

Speaker 5 (19:03):
We're being made in this game, it points at the coach.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Four point thirty on ninety three point three kJ RFM,
Dick Faan with you, twelve Man Post Game Show. A
lot to get to with Hugh Millen, and we will
do it next right after this time out from Jimmy's
on first.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Now back to the twelfth Man Postgame Show, the Seattle
Seahawks on your home for the twelfth Man Sports Radio
ninety three point three kJ RFM, The.

Speaker 5 (19:35):
Twelfth Man Postgame Show.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
As the rain continues to just dump here in Soto,
Jimmy's on first, Dick Fane with you, And you know,
I love to do the twelfth Man Post Game Show
with Hugh Millon on a weekly basis after each home game.
But Hugh, I'm getting damn tired of talking to you
about losses.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
Man.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
I'm getting tired of this, dude. We are three five
in the last eight, twelfth Man postgame shows on home
games three and five, and Hugh in the last four.
Four of the last five games the Seahawks have played,
they have allowed forty two, twenty nine, thirty six, and
thirty one points.

Speaker 5 (20:16):
Man, this is just this is getting rough.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Well, it's it's disheartening. And one of the things about
postgame shows, it's it's raw. I think emotion tends to
weigh a little a little more heavily than rationale. I
think Monday morning is Monday afternoons, you know, often a
better time to assess.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
But you know, I think right now, it's.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
It feels a little demoralizing just what you watched, because look,
there was a lot of mistakes.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
We'll go through them.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
You know, the goal line mishaps, you know, inside the
five yard line, those obviously are going to feature prominently.
All offer what I can on some of these things.
I got about six or seven plays where I just
look and say, this is where the game flipped.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, but I think and those can be fixed.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
I don't expect that Connor Williams is gonna air mail
shotgounds on with regularity. You know, you can how often
does this the center step on the quarterback on fourth down.
I mean, those are abnormalities. But what is disconcerting is
that here the Buffalo Bills come in. Now, you know,

(21:27):
Josh Allen's always going to feature part of it. He
rusts for twenty five yards, but they rest for one
hundred and sixty four yards. Well actually trubisky at minus three,
so they rest for one hundred and sixty seven yards.
Take away the twenty five so one hundred and forty
two yards by non Josh Allen, Buffalo Bills and Kenneth

(21:49):
Walker is nine carries twelve yards one point three average.
Sharbon eight three carries four yards one point three average.
So I just think that that fundamental description and see, yeah,
I think that there's a half a dozen plays that
had had it gone, maybe Seattle lucks out, but just
as a fundamental, you know, core of football, Buffalo Bill's

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just absolutely dominated.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
That.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
That's that That's probably more disconcerting to me than the
uh the than than the the highlights or as it were,
the low lights that we.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
We saw over half a dozen plays.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
Was it more and maybe the answer is yes, yes
and yes, But was it more an outmanned team an
out schemed team or an out efforted team.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
Where was the worst things?

Speaker 2 (22:43):
That's fair question.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
I think you always get a better look when you
watch the tape, which I'll watch in ernest starting tomorrow morning.

Speaker 5 (22:49):
But because I can tell you what the effort was
on the James Cook touchdown run.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
The first, you know, I think that I think that
the Seahwks just became unhinged. I think they they unraveled.
I think that the frustration. I think that it got
to both sides of the ball. I mean it wasn't
just the goal line snap over the head. I mean
you're you're down inside not just the red zone, you're
down inside the three and you get three points on

(23:13):
on two trips. You know, I don't have anything for
you on snapping the ball over the head with with that,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
I don't. I don't think.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
You know, maybe it's slipped because it was wet. That's
the convenient excube excuse. Stepping on the foot. Tom Brady mentions, Hey,
he likes to have his feet staggered. That's fine, you know,
because Gino had his right foot back, and Connor Williams
stepped on was right and and Tom Brady's exactly right.
I'm gonna wait into very uh safe waters here if

(23:44):
I'm gonna be challenging Tom Brady right right. But he
says stagger. What he means is left foot forward, right
foot back. But you still have to center your weight over.
You know, I played with John Elway, who may not
be Tom Brady, but he's pretty good, and he spent
eighteen years in the NFL with this feet totally parallel
to the line of scrab Maag's no stagger because if
you're going the other direction left, then Connor Williams his

(24:08):
left foot in that situation, if Gino did what tom
Brady's suggestion and staggering hiss foot what I mean, left
foot forward, right foot back. If he does that, then
his left foot's gonna be farther forward than if they
were parallel, so he'd be more susceptible with his left
foot getting stepped on right. And again, there's been great
quarterbacks who staggered, and there's been great quarterbacks who have
been parallel. So at any event, that doesn't happen very often,

(24:31):
whether you're staggered or whether you're not, But when it
happens on fourth down, on the one if you've already
had the mishap that you had. It's you know, it
just tends to stick in your mind.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
The discipline today was just or lack thereof, was just staggering,
and not just in penalty avoidance, but just overall sloppiness.
I mean, Ken Walker's just dropping a ball, you know,
stepping on the quarterback, snapping it over the head. Is
more of the onus on the players or on the coaches,
because for me, it kind of reflected poorly on Mike

(25:06):
McDonald's staff. I don't want to I don't want to
absolve the players by any stretch of the imagination, but
it felt like there was an overall team lack of discipline,
and that usually stems from what the coaches preaching practice
each and every day.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
I don't disagree with that. I don't know if it's
as systemic as as you're talking about, but I do
think it's an issue. I think that there was just
a lot of plays this game really would test your patience,
your your in not not your endurance, but but your fortuitiveness.

(25:46):
You know, I think your resiliency is probably the word
I'm looking for, because in the first drive, you know,
you get a sack and a fumble and you know
this is a game changing play. Well, you know, you
don't get on the ball because that was just your
kind of day. But Witherspoon, your best player on defense,
he's guilty of holding. So in the gates would which

(26:07):
would have been a long yardage. They got it. They
got the Bills into a.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Lot of of of.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Of situations that where they were behind the chains, behind
the down and they just throw a bubble screen out
on the edge. And you know it started with the first,
you know, second and twelve a bubble screen. They kept
throwing those wide rescivers, those bubble screens and smoke screens.
Those are wide receiver screens locking on the perimeter, and

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Seattle just did a poor job of rallying up, making
the tackles, getting off blocks, and so it seemed like,
I mean, that would be a frustration. And then if
you're a defensive player, if you're watching the Bills or
excuse me, the Seahawks on offense, you saw the goal
one snap, you saw the step on the foot, So
the frustration is mounting. Then you go on the field,

(26:54):
you force the third down, Josh Allen runs up the middle,
you force a fumble and it gets kicked forward ten
yards and and the Bills jump on it.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
And a lot of I want to stop there because
a lot of people haven't had a question on that.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
Now.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
The way I understand it is because it wasn't inside
the because it wasn't fourth down, and because it wasn't
inside the two minute warning that you can recover a
fumble to you can recover a forward fumble and you
get the yards for that.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
Is that what you understand as well?

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah, I mean that's yeah, exactly right. I mean, if
you're a longtime fan, you probably remember the learning with
the Raiders and the and the Chargers and the and
the and the San Diego Chicken on his back.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
So a lot of people don't know what they hell
I mean, I.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Don't remember that sicken on his back. I remember that
Chicken was a legendary mascot. Teams around baseball and football.
They they'd hire him. He'd go all the place. He
had a hell of a sense of humor. He was
just he was just kind of a pop culture icon
for a year or two, and and he just had
all these annex and when they did the Holy Roller,
he would just on his back, just like you know,

(28:02):
despond it. So, I mean, I think that's how the
Seahawks were doing the the San Diego chicken at that
point when you say what another like, how did this?
I was just like I literally put down And I
don't even think I've ever done this because because I'm
a Christian and I don't I don't worship false isles,
but I would wrote.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Where are the football gods?

Speaker 5 (28:21):
What?

Speaker 2 (28:21):
What did we do to piss them off?

Speaker 4 (28:23):
Right?

Speaker 2 (28:24):
And and but anyways, you get to third and six.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
And and and you know, you get a hell of
a play and you're gonna beat now they they actually
they have the illegal illegal uh illegal motion yep, okay,
and so now you end up I don't know if
are people aware of what took place? Yeah, you know,

(28:50):
if you're at the game, is everybody aware of the
fighting that was going on?

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Are you talking about you're talking about the Derek Hall
Jaron Reid, Yes, going out of yes.

Speaker 5 (29:00):
Well, I mean I don't know if everybody at the
game was aware of it.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
I saw it on the field and then I happened
to be somebody pointed somebody like elbowed me and was
like the dude, look at look at Jared Reid going
off on.

Speaker 5 (29:10):
Either like, who's nighty? Who's nighty? He's going off on
Derek Call's like, that's Jaron Reid.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
I saw it on the sideline, but I'm sure a
lot of people that were at the stadium did not see.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
Yeah, So Sharon Reid go out, let's be there.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
So what happened is Derek Hall, he gets up in
the face, Josh Allen just throws it away and Derek
Hall very foolishly hits Josh Allen late and up in
his jaw, And whether you agree with it or not,
in the modern day twenty twenty four, that's going to
draw a personal foul. And so now the illegal shift

(29:43):
it would have it was third and six, it would.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Have been third and eleven.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
And now because it's a fifteen yard it's not off
sandy and penalties, it trumps the five yard illegal shift.
So it's it's as if the legal shift never happened.
And so now the Bills they get the they get
the first down, so Jared Reid is up in Derrek
Hall's face. They end up grabbing each other at the

(30:08):
face account in their face. Clearly a lot of friction there,
and then in the sidelines they go after each other.
And yeah, this is a part where where I say, hey,
this team's unraveling and unhinged. Now, my comment on this
is is has two parts, okay, very two distinct parts.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Okay, Dick Number one, it cannot happen.

Speaker 5 (30:31):
You can't.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
It's a team sport. When you decide to not play wrestling,
not golf, not play tennis, which are individual sports, I
understand there's some team aspects in some circum but you
will work with me. When you decide to play a
football team a team game, you have a responsibility to
fit in in a social sense as a teammate to

(30:53):
your brethren, and that cannot happen. So I'm not gonna
excuse that it's ugly. And this is why we have
the term mulligan and we don't just use the word
mulligan in golf.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
Some people would say it's leadership by Jared Reed. You
don't agree with that.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Oh I do.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
I absolutely believe it was because Jaron Reid got in
his face like like, hey, you can't hurt the football team.
He's he's trying to take leadership over a young young guy.
And then they and then like, I don't know what
was said, but then there's a real spar And then,
to both both their credit, not long thereafter they were

(31:30):
clearly making up and and and so maturity was coming
fuld and and Derek Hall was able to go out
and place. So yeah, I would say the entire sequence.
I have nothing against Jared Reedy. You're killing the football team.
You can't do that. So so in that regard like unexcusable.
That's why we have Mulligan. So Derek Hall like, this

(31:53):
can't be an all the time thing. This has got
to be okay if you do it again three or
four years from now, maybe you know, you know, like,
but this cannot be an all the time thing. And
then my second point is this, and and every single
coach would they'd much rather say whoe than gid Yo
and the at least the one thing for Derek Hall

(32:16):
is is if I'm a teammate, I don't like what
he did. I think it's misguided, I think it's foolish,
but I like where his heart is because give me
a competitor every time. And what my experience being in
the NFL being you know, been around sports a long
time not everybody. Obviously, not everybody is dying to win
at the same level. There are some guys that are
more competitive than others, right, and I will go to

(32:40):
war with the guy who's competitive all the time. So
I think that this was a situation with Derek Hall
that I love the competitiveness that was there, and in
fact that he just lost He just lost control. He
lost control. That that can't happen. But my god, I'd
much rather have that than somebody who's just kind of,

(33:00):
you know, picking up a paycheck. So right, in any event,
Costinc's thoughts on that, I think, if they if they
iron this out, and Jared Reed and and Derek Call says,
you know what and takes a deep breath tonight and
he says, you know, I was wrong on that. I
can't hurt the football team, and he resolves to keep
being a Bernie competitor, but not do that dumb thing.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Then we're gonna be okay.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Hugh Millen joining us twelve man postgame show live from
Jimmy's On First, we're gonna take a quick time out
when we come back. I want to kind of break
down the third and goal of the Buffalo one. The
fourth and goal of the Buffalo one. You know, the
back to back I formations, what they were trying to
do there. Why is it such a struggle to get
into the end zone there for Seattle? Because I was
clearly a huge turning point in the game. It could
have very I mean, he should have been not even

(33:39):
could have been, should have been ten to seven Seattle
at that particular point, and we may have a very
different football game from that time on. I also want
to talk about the lack of DK Metcalf. Hugh and
I have butted heads, you know, on the whole Dk
Metcalf thing.

Speaker 5 (33:53):
But the one I have.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
One thing I've always agreed with you on is what
he means to the offense. And you just pointed on that,
pointed out that time and time and time and time again.

Speaker 5 (34:04):
And I think we saw an illustration of what fourteen.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
Means to the offense by taking fourteen out of the
offense and seeing what it looks like. We'll talk about
that and get Hughes take on that next on ninety
three point three KJRFF.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Now back to the twelfth Man postgame show, Seattle Seahawks
on your home for the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety
three point three KJRFM.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
Bother ain't coming down downtown Seattle. Jimmy's on first, Seahawks
get their butts handed to them by one of the
best teams in the NFL. You can rank Buffalo wherever
you want. Heck, you can rank them one if you want.
They don't have the record that Kansas City has, but
I think they have the talent that Kansas City has.

(34:55):
But they are one of the teams that are serious
contenders for the AFC Championship as well as the Super Bowl.
Thirty one to ten the final score today. And you know, Hugh,
as awful as the numbers were in the first quarter
of this game, it was like one forty one to three.
At the end of the first quarter, it was only
seven to nothing. I mean I even tweeted it out.

(35:17):
I was like, this is just this is just awful, awful,
horrible football. You're doing nothing, but you're only down seven,
seven to nothing. You have an opportunity to still win
this football game. And that opportunity grew when you were
down and seven to nothing and you marched all the
way to the Buffalo one yard line and you have

(35:38):
third and goal to the Buffalo one. I'm a huge
proponent of the I formation. I love eye formation football,
but it didn't work on third and one. You got
stuffed at the buffalo one. So talk to me about
your opinions of the third down play call, the fourth
down play call, slash formation, and whether you would have

(35:58):
gone for it on fourth and one that early in
a game down seven to nothing.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah, I would have gone for it.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
I think the analytics have have stated you go for it.
That's through a lot of extensive I'm not saying that
you're married to analytics. Sometimes you go against analytics for
a variety of reasons. But I think the potency of
the Bills offense. I just felt like you needed the
momentum of getting a touchdown there. And and you know

(36:28):
if you if you go the ifirmation, you're gonna you're
gonna have a lead full back. The advantage of the
advantage of the ifirmation is that you can go left
or right right the defense. It's a balanced formation, and
you can come downhill with the running back and you
should get some movement with a lead blocker.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
But if you don't get.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Any movement at the line of scrimmage, you know that
that's when it looks, you know, mucked up. I mean,
if there was one particular scheme that always worked, every
team would always do it. Well, you know, maybe you
say the Eagles and the Tushblus, it can become the Toushbush, right, Yeah,
but uh, and the Bills evidently have their own and
uh they go to the left all the time. We

(37:11):
talk about that Friday and every time he went quarterback
sneak on.

Speaker 7 (37:14):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Today he went to the left side, which is most
right inded quarterbacks go to the right. But at any event,
get back to the Seahawks. Down at the lines, you
know you're going you're going lead. There's a lot of bodies.
It's a box of coat hangers. And and you want
a double team just at the point of attack. If
you can get one double team and a lead blocker
in on the linebacker, then that that's where touchdowns are created.

(37:36):
But if you don't get movement, uh, and and you
get collapse, you know, it does take a little longer
to hit for sure.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
So on the fourth down talk to me about the
four nation formation. It appeared to me like it was
very similar or the same as what happened. Yeah, on
third down, and what do you think they were going
to try to do before Gino was stepped on?

Speaker 3 (37:59):
You know, I'd read other answer that question on you know,
it's gonna be something I would say in a in
a gineering the umbrella of leads, how about that?

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Can I be big enough?

Speaker 3 (38:10):
But I just was so fixated on on uh you know,
you know, look, I cannot fault Geno.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
You know, the the center can't.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Push his foot back that fall right right like like
you're trying to go forward. And and if your center
is is either not get enough push or getting pushed
back himself enough that he has to to try and
center his weight, he has to put his foot that
far back that quickly.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
You're gonna get You're gonna get a trip.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
I you know, I look, I've been in a lot
of these meetings, and you know, offensive coaches are trying
to sort this out, and quarterbacks. You know, I've played
behind three Hall of famers. You say, hey, I'll I'll
change what I'm doing. Just tell me what I can
do so that doesn't happen. And guess what, everybody kind
of looks at everybody else and they kind of go

(39:01):
palm to the forehead and they go shoulder, you know,
palms to the sky and yeah, and say I don't
really know how to coach you on that because we
just can't get pushed back. So that would be my
answer pre.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Millen join us twelve man post game show hughe DK
Metcalf unable to go today, Hopefully he'll be able to
go and what has turned into a very pivotal game
next week against the La Rams. I mean that is
a that becomes a monster because you lost today.

Speaker 5 (39:28):
Hopefully he'll be able to go then.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
But just talk about to the best of your ability,
kind of paint the picture what it meant not to
have DK Metcalf in the offense and what that prevented
Seattle from doing today.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Well, particularly when you see Bobo out there as the
X receiver, he's the singles receiver away from the rest
of the formation. Well, if I'm Gino and I look
and I say, okay, how are you gonna play him?
If you're not going to roll over the top, and
I got one on one coverage, then we should be
able to win those noteworthy and that was was just

(40:07):
an RPO, a quick out route in the first quarter
where he's Gino pulls the ball and he wants to
throw in what's called an Omaha route. I thought I
thought Bobo might have taken that too deep. The timing
looked messed up. But what happens is the corners when
they study Bobo. Now, he ran a four to nine
at UCLA. I don't think that's his true forty times.

(40:28):
I think it was a rainy day in Westwood. I
just can't believe anybody could run a four to nine
and play wide receiver in this league. But he does
not have the speed, and so there's a term that
quarterbacks and offensive coaches use. It's called squatting. And if
the corner squats, I mean he just plays on his heels.
He doesn't backpedal, he doesn't respect any deep. He's squatting.

(40:50):
He's just waiting. He's waiting to jump in the intermediate
routes because they have confidence that the receiver in front
of him doesn't have the speed to get buy him.
So you're gonna get squadding corners, you're gonna you're not
gonna have safeties over the top, which open up other things.
And the free access. Uh, we've discussed cover six a lot.
I assume most people don't know what cover six is.

(41:13):
Cover six is when when DK is on uh. This
would be a typical application that there'd be more than
what I'm about to describe, but this would be the
most common application.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
So Gino comes up the line.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
He's got trips right, he's got Jackson and the tight
end fan, and he's got Tyler over to his right
on his left, and this would typically be as I'm
describing on the left hash so to the end of
the boundary, he's got DK one on one, no other
receivers around him. What defenses will do is they will
roll the covers to say the corner say, well, we

(41:45):
don't want that that smoke. Let's roll the corner down
on on DK. Let's put the safety over the top,
so we are not gonna allow DK to have free access.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
We're gonna redirect him.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
The corner can be very aggressif because he knows he
has help over the top. Meanwhile, on the other hand,
they don't want to be in a total cover too.
They don't want to mirror that because they want to
have a safety to be able to come up to
a run support on the strong side of the formation.
So now they don't play that coverage. On the trip side,
they play what's called quarters coverage, which is the corner

(42:20):
back and the safety in a position to be helping
the run support.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
And now that is free access for Tyler Lockett.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
He gets to just go right off just boom with
no safety to the middle of the field.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
He gets all this free. Okay. So all that's and
by the way, that's Cover six.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Who do you think out of thirty two teams, is
the offense that faces Cover six the most the Seattle Seahawks.
And I took a screenshot with my phone. If you
don't believe me, I'll send it to you.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Just email me.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
I'll send you the freaking screenshot, okay, because I have
access to the NFL's database and how they do this.
So so that is a big deal. Just the idea
of of the coverages. You see the squatting that you see,
You saw the timing that was off even on Bobo's catch.
This is the second week in a row, Gino on

(43:17):
the sideline where where Bobo Gino thinks he's gonna settle
in his zone and he's not in the exact spot
that he expects him to be. And so yeah, Bobo
caught the ball, but we got no run after the
catch because he had you know, it was kind of behind.
But but Gino's like, dude, I'm I'm trying to idle
you down. And he had that that one last week

(43:41):
over by the sideline. It was officially the only drop
by any wide receiver in the game. But but you know,
Bobo's just hauling asks towards the sideline and Gino's holding
them up, like, dude, we can get some run after
the catch. Why are you sprinting out of bounds? So
there's still some some miscommunication that Bobo. You know, in

(44:01):
these these uh, these examples, by my estimation, I don't
I'm not making any hesitation here. Gino's right and Bobo's wrong.
But most importantly, when I when I look and I
see Bobo's lined up at X, look, it's a great story.
I love his last name. You know, he's an overchiever, undrafted,
like it's a cool story, and he works his ass off.

(44:22):
But I'm I'm just I'm I'm on this postgame show
to give you reality, and I'm just telling you that
corners around the league, when they look at nineteen, they
are in man cover now zone. If he settles down
in some things like on a naked bootleg, and you
fake and and and he's in a zone. Okay that
he can be effective that way, but you're gonna line
him up and be DK's replacement. The corners are just

(44:45):
going to lick their chops like I'm squatting, I am
pitching a tant. I ain't, I ain't backpedaling for nothing.
I'm just sitting here because I'm ready. I'm ready to
go eat. I'm gonna I'm gonna jump anything in front
of me and then if this cat tries to run
by me, I can turn my hips and catch up.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
And uh.

Speaker 5 (45:06):
And I thought that's Bobo mentality.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
That is the opposite of DK mentality.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
I mean I thought we'd see, you know, let Bobo's
height and high point ability take over today, And we
never really saw that. We never saw kind of like
the jump ball to the to the sideline for Bobo,
see if he could go out and get it in.
There's a couple of times he had some really small
corners on him and they didn't didn't go that way.
How much Cover six did we see today without well,
I don't know exactly.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
I'll give you that answer tomorrow. But yeah, uh, but
but an event. Yeah, it's because you don't just evaluate
receivers and their impact on balls that are thrown to them.
You also, I mean you also looking You say, okay,
what is the quarterback doing? Is he even looking over

(45:54):
there when he has the single coverage or does the
quarterback just figure? My chances of getting a in over
there are so remote that I'm not gonna waste my
time looking over there. Right, you cannot, like all, respect
anybody's opinion about whatever wide receiver has ever come through
and Warren a seahawk or a husky unifom, I'll respect

(46:15):
your opinion on anything as long as you grant me
that fact, as long as you you you agree with
me that receivers are not just evaluated on balls that
are thrown to them, Because if you don't agree with
me on that, we have no basis for a conversation.
I can reasonable minds can differ, but reasonable minds cannot

(46:37):
differ on that point.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
In my opinion.

Speaker 5 (46:39):
Oh, it makes sense and it should be like that
in every sport. You know, you got a star striker.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
In soccer, you got a star you know, the penetrator
or shooter in basketball. I mean, it's gonna affect how
defenses guard them, and then when those guys are out,
you're gonna defend them differently. Let's hear from the head
coach of the Seattle Seahawks, who can't be very happy today,
Mike McDonald.

Speaker 12 (46:59):
I mean that's that's the result of a good football
team that outplayed.

Speaker 11 (47:03):
Us in three phases.

Speaker 12 (47:05):
And uh, and then it gets out of him when
when you're doing the things that we we did today
where we didn't help ourselves as well.

Speaker 11 (47:11):
So we can it's a laundry list of things.

Speaker 12 (47:14):
We could go line at them by line on them
if you want, But the long and short.

Speaker 11 (47:18):
Of is, uh, we got out.

Speaker 12 (47:20):
Played, we got out coached, and uh we got to
go make it right. So I mean, I feel like
it's too often that we've had this conversation with you
guys of going back to work on Tuesday and and
hitting this things head on and seeing if we can
get this thing turned around.

Speaker 11 (47:34):
And against the good Rams team coming in here.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
How different is that game feel?

Speaker 11 (47:38):
If you capitalize in the red zone those two second card.

Speaker 12 (47:41):
Trips, well, I mean that's uh, it's hard to tell
if it know it flips but you know, you're you
feel like you're right in it. So I mean, it's
again it's a story of red zone, then being stop
getting stops in the red zone that we need, and
then not being able to run the ball in inside
the five yard line.

Speaker 11 (47:56):
So we need to be better there for sure.

Speaker 9 (47:59):
Just big picture looking at the Misky's made today, how'd
you feel the guys were trying to handle that in
the moment it seemed like obviously Derek and Jared got it.

Speaker 12 (48:07):
Yeah, well there's some frustration there, and uh, look, our
guys are they're connected and they have each other's backs
and there, but they are emotional. You know, there's some
there's gonna be flare ups and stuff. So I'm not
it seems like a calm down. But it wasn't a
smart penalty, you know.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
It's just.

Speaker 12 (48:23):
That's not how we how we train our guys to
attack quarterbacks, and so that was a that was a
that wasn't a smart move.

Speaker 6 (48:30):
Where's your concern level at now with where the run
game is at the second time, and I believe three
or four games you guys have gone out there with
under two and two point two yards per carry.

Speaker 11 (48:39):
Just can't seem to get any Yeah, it's a I
would say, it's a major concern. So we got to
get it. We got to make it right.

Speaker 12 (48:46):
You know, if I knew like the one answer, i'd
give that to you right now. But it seems like
it's it's a litany of things. So we gotta we
gotta go to work on it. You know, right now,
we can't control the temple of games, so you gotta
go to work too.

Speaker 9 (49:04):
Would you kind of make of earnest first game with
you guys about as much as you could.

Speaker 12 (49:08):
Tough to tell, I mean tough to tell right now.
I felt like you made some plays out in space.
We've got to look at the run game on some
of those those runs that were we're getting out, figure
out what's going on there some of these games.

Speaker 11 (49:19):
Just how tough as the situations Gino's been in with
you know, the score of the run game.

Speaker 12 (49:24):
Just yeah, it's too often that we're in throw mode
at the end. Again, it starts with dictating terms to
the other team, controlling the game, the pace of the game,
taking care of the football. So yeah, we've we've put
them in tough situations late in game for sure.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
How indicative is or is this not be where you
are in this program right now.

Speaker 11 (49:51):
I think that's a good question.

Speaker 12 (49:53):
You know, when we talk about stacking wins around here,
and when you're going on and off back and forth,
it's you know, it's frustrating. You know, you want you
want to be able to build on on the good
things that we're doing so we can get our program
to where we want it to go.

Speaker 11 (50:09):
And then when you.

Speaker 12 (50:09):
Take steps back like today, uh, it's very sobering.

Speaker 11 (50:14):
You know, it's frustrating.

Speaker 12 (50:15):
And uh but you know, I mean, this is the
NFL and if you don't if you don't bring it
and have your best against good teams, you're not gonna
win those games.

Speaker 11 (50:25):
So our guys know that, and.

Speaker 12 (50:26):
Uh, be'st coast coaches. We got to prepare our guys
the best we can. We got to call great games.
I mean, this whole thing has to keep coming together.
So but time is ticking, as we say, I mean,
we're half almost you know, about halfway through the season now,
and uh, but you take.

Speaker 11 (50:41):
A step back.

Speaker 12 (50:41):
I mean we're right in the thick of it in
the division and this game coming up is going to
be a big one.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
That's Mike McDonald then, Hugh, before you're on, I was
just mentioning that this is the check and high nature
of this football team.

Speaker 5 (50:54):
And you look at over the last five games.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
I mean, they've got an a performance against Atlanta, they
got probably a beaper formats against the Lions, they got
a deep performance against the Niner, and they got two f's.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
I mean this this report cards all over the damn place.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
Man, you don't know what you're gonna get from this
football team. But a couple of things he talked about
there won the run game and one Geno we got
about four minutes or so before we got a run.
So let's take that four minutes and isolate what he
talked about the run game there and also the play
from Geno. So he says, quote major concern. Can't control
the tempo of games. It's too often worth the throw mode.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
At the end. I've been as critical as anybody of Grub.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
I'm not gonna jump on Grub today because it didn't
seem like there was anything going anywhere offensively run game
or pass game today and the offensive line wasn't helping
at all. Is is that fair to assess for this game?
Or is there still some play calling blame to go
on Grub's hands.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Today, I would look in and if I were to
say one thing, I've mentioned it a couple of times.
I'm gonna start to mention it with greater frequency. It
looks more like a college offense in the fall in
respect they're in shotgun in my mind. Probably maybe it's

(52:08):
necessitated by their personnel now, but I cannot believe that
they're going to have this level of imbalance between shotgun
and under center.

Speaker 6 (52:17):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
You had eight plays under center to day for minus
two yards. That's a minus point three average. In case
you're wondering, Kenneth Walker had one run for zero yards
under center, Zach Charbonnay one run for one yard under center.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
That's uh. And and then if.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
You go play action, you had let me see, you
had Noahfen for zero, Kenneth Walker for one, Kenneth Walker
for ten, and uh and Charbonnay for three.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
So you you know.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
It's it just looks a lot like a college offense.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
And so I think I think they're going to have
to improve that.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
And then Gino today, obviously the interception.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
I was joking with Anders before you came on, it
looked like you know, Gino was holding up a big
piece of steak and there was like three tigers in
front of them, and it's like here, which tiger wants
to happen. It's like which three hundred pound defensive lineman
wants to take this screen past the other way ten yards?
Take me through that, Take me through that play, and
just your evaluation of Geno today on the whole.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Well, first of all, I think with screens probably more
than any other type, Like you can work on screens
and and and they can be expensive. They take a
lot of practice time to get the timing down as
to you know, even when you go routes on are
just to the linemen when they're gonna release hit their landmarks,
and it's like, you know, they say, no, two snowflakes

(53:45):
are the same, No, defensive looks are exactly the same.
I think a lot of coaches feel like it's a
little bit of a grab bag whether or not a
screen is going to hit. And as a quarterback, your
your coach looked what the Seahawks tried to do. They
had trips received to their Geno's right and it was
Walker lined up to the left. So they try and

(54:05):
have Walker to the opposite. He's going to go coast
to coast and go left or right on his screen. Well,
you have a blitzer come from that. Under normal protections,
Walker would pick up the blitz, but he's going to
be the receiver on the screen. So now Charles Cross
does what you're following, just a simple rule blocking side out.
So he blocks down in the b gap to get

(54:27):
the blitzer, which turns the n man loose. Okay, so
they win. At this point, it was only seventeen to three.
This was the first drive of the third quarter. You
had bowed up in the red zone. You couldn't give
up a touchdown to make it a three score game,
but you'd bote up force the field goals.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
So it's seventeen to three. You're down. Now you've got
some momentum going. You're at midfield. If you score here,
it's seventeen to ten. And so it crowds back into it.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Yeah, and the crowds back into it and put some
pressure on them. And so now look, sometimes they win.
You cannot always just uh, you know, like like a painting,
you know, paint every picture of every screen. As I said,
there's a random nature to screens. I think every coach
knows that. So what your coach says a quarterback is, look,

(55:17):
if it looks like hell, just dirt it, just dirt
it and just ground it.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
And and if you throw an.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Interception like that, that is one hundred percent on the
quarterback period understory, that's a double minus. It's a critical
error that it is a no excuse, no, no nothing,
no not. Don't come off shaking your head and and
and and acting like it's somebody else's fault, your freaking fault.
That's a huge play in the game. And you know,

(55:47):
and so the affect that Mike Holmgren talks about what
we got our quarterback, he's going, he's getting he's getting
a sports unsportsmanlike penalties. He's on the they're literally doing
over and over. He looks like he's crying, like you look,
can say are those tears he's setting, he's he's win seeing,
he's frustrating, like this is not leadership. And that screen

(56:07):
like like if he takes a deep breath, he knows
that there's a random nature to screens. Guess what they
got us. They blitzed the wheelbacker and so there's nothing there.
Their defensive line, by the way, did a good job
of sniffing it out, reading it.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
They just you know, on that play they win.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Good God, they're they're professional football players. They're they're one
of the top half a dozen teams in the league
at the very least, maybe top three or four. Like
they're gonna win a play. They won that playing. Don't
throw a pick. It's so simple. And then when you
throw a pick, don't sit there and shake your head
like it's somebody else's fault.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
Right, yeah, oh you We're gonna end where we started.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
Just frustrating, absolutely disgusted, embarrassed. I mean, I'm not angry
like I was a few weeks ago, because it's the Giants.
You remember how pissed I was that day. I'm just
I'm not pissed today. I'm disappointed. You know, sometimes you're
mad at your kids. Sometimes you just shake your head
and go, dude, what are you doing? And this is
one of those days. I'm looking at I'm looking at

(57:09):
my son or my daughter.

Speaker 5 (57:10):
I'm just like, dude, what are you doing? And that
is that's.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
How I feel today. Great stuff from you. You got
a lot of tape to watch. We'll talk yet you'll
you'll be on with Chuck and Buck and Ashley at
seven o'clock to the morning for the money.

Speaker 5 (57:23):
Thanks, yes, sir, Yes, sir dame, and I'll be from
the ver Queen Casino. Three.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
That's you Millin thanks to andrews Hurst. We got a
good one coming up. Hey, believe it or not, folks,
as awful as it's been, as awful as really every
game has been except for last week. For the Seahawks,
they are four and four and they are in first
place in the division, and you're still rooting for the
Cowboys today. You're still rooting for the Cowboys to knock
off the Niners and really put the Niners in a

(57:49):
world to hurt the There is no team ever that
has started three and five and has gone to the
Super Bowl. So if you don't want the San Francisco
forty nine ers to go the Super Bowl, they lose today,
they would have to do something that no team has
ever done. There has been one hundred and thirty five

(58:11):
no excuse me, one hundred.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
And ninety nine teams. I saw this on on on
TV this week. Teams are oh.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
And one ninety nine making the Super Bowl starting three
to five or worse from the beginning of the wildcard era.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
Make the Niners o and two hundred with a win tonight.
Sunday Night Football coming up next. We'll talk to you
tomorrow