On this week's program, host Phil Tower welcomes Dr. Meg Jay, Ph.D. Meg Jay. Meg is a developmental clinical psychologist who specializes in twentysomethings. She is also the author of a brand new book…..The Twentysomething Treatment: A Revolutionary Remedy for an Uncertain Age, and the author of “The Defining Decade: Why Your Twenties Matter and How to Make the Most of Them Now” and “Supernormal: The Secret World of the Family Hero.” Meg also has one of the most-watched TED talks to date. It can be viewed here: In her new book, The Twentysomething Treatment: A Revolutionary Remedy for an Uncertain Age, Dr. Meg Jay reveals why most young adults don’t have disorders that need to be treated; they have problems that can be solved. Readers will learn why mental health is most likely to improve outside a doctor’s office—through skill-building—and why, for the twentysomething brain, the time for skill-building is now.
Dr. Meg Jay online
Get the book The Twentysomething Treatment: A Revolutionary Remedy for an Uncertain Age
In part 2 of this week's program, Phil speaks with Corey Adkins, VP of Standup Great Lakes, Content and Communications Director for The Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum, and Kwin Morris, co-founder of Stand Up for Great Lakes. Kwin is a skilled waterman, traveler, and adventurer. He is a science teacher in the Elk Rapids School District and a Great Lakes Historical Shipwreck Society board member. Kwin told us he has crossed all of the great lakes by paddleboard, but most recently, one of the more challenging crossings was the crossing of Lake Ontario. That crossing became the subject of a documentary that Kwin and Corey worked on together. The documentary, Crossing Ontario, debuted in January of this year at the Thunder Bay International Film Festival.
Emmy-award-winning videographer Corey Adkins was with them for the majority of their crossings, and this momentous crossing became the subject of their most recent documentary.
Stand Up for Great Lakes goal has been, and continues to be, the preservation and education on the beautiful lakes, rivers and streams in Michigan.
Online: Stand Up for Great Lakes
The Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum is one of Michigan’s most popular destinations in the cultural tourism industry, attracting nearly 100,000 visitors each season. Museum patrons learn about the perils of maritime transport on the Great Lakes at the Whitefish Point Light Station, a historic site on the National Register of Historic Places. The Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum is also home to the Whitefish Point Light Tower, which has been in continuous operation since 1861, making it the oldest lighthouse on Lake Superior.
Online: The Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum
Dr. Meg Jay online
Get the book The Twentysomething Treatment: A Revolutionary Remedy for an Uncertain Age
In part 2 of this week's program, Phil speaks with Corey Adkins, VP of Standup Great Lakes, Content and Communications Director for The Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum, and Kwin Morris, co-founder of Stand Up for Great Lakes. Kwin is a skilled waterman, traveler, and adventurer. He is a science teacher in the Elk Rapids School District and a Great Lakes Historical Shipwreck Society board member. Kwin told us he has crossed all of the great lakes by paddleboard, but most recently, one of the more challenging crossings was the crossing of Lake Ontario. That crossing became the subject of a documentary that Kwin and Corey worked on together. The documentary, Crossing Ontario, debuted in January of this year at the Thunder Bay International Film Festival.
Emmy-award-winning videographer Corey Adkins was with them for the majority of their crossings, and this momentous crossing became the subject of their most recent documentary.
Stand Up for Great Lakes goal has been, and continues to be, the preservation and education on the beautiful lakes, rivers and streams in Michigan.
Online: Stand Up for Great Lakes
The Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum is one of Michigan’s most popular destinations in the cultural tourism industry, attracting nearly 100,000 visitors each season. Museum patrons learn about the perils of maritime transport on the Great Lakes at the Whitefish Point Light Station, a historic site on the National Register of Historic Places. The Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum is also home to the Whitefish Point Light Tower, which has been in continuous operation since 1861, making it the oldest lighthouse on Lake Superior.
Online: The Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum
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iHeartMedia West Michigan Weekend a public affairsprogram. This is iHeartRadio's West Michigan Weekend
and welcome into the weekend. HappySunday to you. I'm Phil Tower.
Always a pleasure to be with youevery Sunday across whatever iHeartRadio station here in
the greater West Michigan area you happento be listened to. And a little
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bit of a full disclosure here onlive radio the next conversation you're about to
hear. It's a little bit selfish. I interview authors on this program all
the time. I'm really excited withthis conversation because, first of all,
I have two twenty somethings in myfamily, actually have three twenty somethings.
I'm not that old. And I'mexcited about this book, as I know
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any one of you listening will beif you have a twenty something in your
family or you soon to have atwenty something. My guest is doctor Meg
Jay. She is the author ofa brain new book, The twenty something
Treatment of Revolutionary Remedy for an UncertainAge. Meg is the author of several
great books. By the way,this book just out as of a few
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days ago. On the Simon andSchuster label and available wherever books are sold.
Doctor Meg Jay has written several books, her latest By the Way,
which we just told you, hercult classic The Defining Decade, Why Your
Twenties Matter and How to make themost of them, and super Normal,
The Secret World of the Family Hero. There's just so much to talk about,
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Meg Jay, but I'm just goingto say welcome. I'm so glad
you're with me. Well, thankyou, Phil, it's great to be
here, and thank you for thatlovely introduction. Well, and you have.
I gotta admit I'm a huge fanof Ted Talks. I share a
lot of Ted talk videos and Ididn't realize you have one of the most
watched ted talks online to date.Your video has been viewed thirteen and a
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half million times on ted talks andwe're going to put the link up in
our podcast notes page. By theway, this conversation will be available as
a podcast, and you can getthat atwood radio dot com. The newest
book is The Twenty Something Treatment.I already know from reading about you you're
an expert on twenty somethings. NewYork Time has said you're basically the expert
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on twenty somethings, Why is thisan important decade? Let's first start with
that, and then I've got somequestions from my own first hand experience with
living with twenty somethings. Yeah.Yeah, well, you know, my
first big twenty something book, ThatDefining Decade, was about why the twenties
are so defining. They're the mosttransformative decade of adult life. There's a
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lot of action there, which iswhy I work in that space. And
the most recent book, The twentysomething Treatment, is about how they're also
perhaps the most difficult decade of adultlife. And we can talk more about
that later. But you know,there's a lot of going on with mental
high during the twenties, a lotof people feeling anxious and depressed and stressed
and leaning on substances. So there'sa lot of work to be done in
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that decade. But it's also,like I said, very transformative and often
a big point for change. Youknow, this is an interesting thing I
have realized, at least in thetwenty somethings i've spoken with. You're a
clinical psychologist. I think they feelmore comfortable talking about themselves. I know,
then my generation did is that akind of a thing for twenty somethings
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where they feel comfortable with you asa psychologist or a counselor in a chair.
Yeah, it is. I meanit's I've been specializing in twenty somethings
for twenty five years. I think, you know, we're more likely now
than when I started to talk explicitlyand publicly about mental health, which is
a great thing. Although a lotof what the twenty something treatment is about
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is that, you know, mosttwenty somethings don't have disorders that need to
be treated. They have problems they'retrying to solve, change as they're trying
to make skills they need to learn. So a lot of my work it's
really not about pathologizing twenty something life. It's about normalizing the struggles, normalizing
the solutions, and helping twenty somethingsmove ahead. Yeah, and this will
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be This is a book that anyparent of a twenty something should read.
And I think actually is as unusualas this sounds. If you manage twenty
somethings in your day job as Ido, this is an important book to
read because a lot of times we'rejust you know, standing around the water
cooler going. I don't know what'sup with this general deal, what's going
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on? You know, it's justa difficult age. Yes, it's believe
me, it's harder on them thanit is on you, believe it or
not. But the book is writtenfor twenty somethings, but also for anyone
who wants to listen in on whatis going on with twenty somethings. Why
are they're struggling? How can wehelp? And you're absolutely right about work.
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Work is actually the leading driver ofpositive personality change in the twenties.
So a lot is happening at workbecause so many new skills are being learned
and competencies and confidence is being gained, and so it's a huge point of
change for twenty somethings. One ofmy biggest pieces of advice is go get
the best job you can with thebest boss or the best mentor, because
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so much growth and change can happenthere. So I would love for employers
to read this book too. Youknow, you also talk about the fact,
and I've experienced this with my twentysomethings, their job jumpers. They
change jobs a lot, and thatcan be a little disconcerting for their parents.
Can you talk about that and whythat's a thing. Yeah, I
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mean I don't really put it necessarilyon twenty somethings. It's really the you
know, modern employment these days.But on average, twenty somethings will have
nine different jobs by the age ofthirty five. So that's the average.
Yeah, I mean, I lookback at my twenties. I think at
one point I might have had ninejobs all at time. So you know
that's gone. Are the days thatpeople will graduate from college and you know,
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pick a job or even pick acareer path and be on a linear
path through that. So it's verycommon for twenty somethings to have a job
for about a year or two ata time before they switch to something else.
And it could be a different positionwithin the same company, but there's
a lot of movement, and youknow, like I said, it's really
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a place where twenty somethings grow andlearn a lot. So I encourage them
to get on the steepest learning curvethey can find at work, and if
they don't have that where they are, to look for that elsewhere. Doctor
Meg Jay is with us. Megis the author of a brand new book
called The twenty something treatment, arevolutionary remedy for an uncertain age, available
wherever books are sold. You talkabout anxiety, and I think anxiety is
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an issue for so many people,so many of our listeners. It is.
I remember reading once it was oneof the most diagnose disorders in terms
of emotional health. But you talkabout social anxiety meg as a big issue
for twenty something. Can you kindof dive into that. Yeah, I
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mean it's the fastest growing diagnosis,and I mean, you know, diagnosis
in terms of what twenty somethings arebeing told that they have. But if
you really ask twenty some things,what's going on? What are you feeling
anxious about? What you hear isthat it's mostly about social uncertainty. And
I try to help people not gettoo wrapped around the idea that they're disordered
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or they have a diagnosis. Aboutfifty percent of young adults have moderate quote
social anxiety, which is really moresocial uncertainty. If I don't know if
I have friends, I don't knowif people like me. I'm worried about
this presentation at work. I don'tknow how to break into conversations at a
cocktail party. It's just a timewhen their social lives are very much on
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the move. They're between families anddon't feel like, you know, they're
not sure who their people are,and so that's anxiety provoking and that's pretty
normal. I've been wanting to askyou this question for some time, and
it's straightforward. As a parent,what's the biggest mistake a parent can make?
And I know there are a lotof them in trying to get information
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out of their twenty something. Listen, Meg, we want to figure out
a way to help them feel moreconfident as a twenty something. We want
to make sure they know. Imean, I tell my sons this all
the time. We want to makesure you know that. I want to
listen to you. I want tobe a sounding board. But the more
you do that, I'm assuming I'mreally screwing up as a parent. No,
you're not, Phil, It's parentingis hard. I think my biggest
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piece of advice, or pieces ofadvice for parents out there is one is
don't panic if your twenty something isstruggling. You know, the twenties are
the mental health low point of life. I'm sorry to say it's a very
uncertain and difficult time, but They'realso a turning point when things start to
get better. Resist the urge topanic and convey the message that you think
you're twenty something is you know,messed up or can't figure this out.
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I think convey confidence of hey,I believe in you. I know this
is hard. I'm here if youneed me, but I believe in you.
I have confidence that you can getthrough this. And then I think
just spending time with your twenty something, but some of the habits and kind
of healthy mental health choices I talkabout in the book in terms of cooking
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more, exercising more. You know, don't don't tell your twenty something to
do things you're not doing yourself.So say, hey, let's go play
some pickleball, let's go walk adog. I'd love to get together and
you know, play around of golf, whatever your thing is. And I
think it's sort of like you know, when you used to drive in the
car with your teenager and eventually theywould get around to telling you things.
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I think going out and doing thingswith your twenty something, you know,
cook together, be active together,you know, go to the movies together.
Whatever you can get them to dowith you, and then let them
drive those conversations. Meg Jay iswith us her brand new book, highly
recommended, The twenty something Treatment,a revolutionary remedy for an uncertain age.
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You talk about in the book howimportant experience is, building experiences, learning
skills is for a twenty something,and I think that can be rewarding for
any age. But why is itso important to this twenty something? Well,
Phil, it's because everything's new.So you know, a big tagline
or theme in the book is reallysort of skills over pills. And you
know, I'm not for against medication, whether you're on it or not.
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Everybody needs skills, and twenty somethingsare having you know, first jobs,
first apartments, first relationships, firstbreakups, first everything. So the way
to get through those and not youknow, have it take such a toll
on your mental health is to getmore experience. So that means you know,
good experiences, bad experiences. Alot of it's going to be hard,
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but that's how you get the confidencethat, hey, I know how
to do this, or even ifthings don't go exactly the way I thought
or the way I planned, Iknow I can get through it and you
know, find a better job nexttime, or a better relationship next time,
or a better way to cope nexttime, you know you have and
again, if you're listening to asI'm speaking with Meg Jay. She is
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the author of several great books aclinical psychologist. The latest book is The
twenty something Treatment of Revolutionary Remedy foran Uncertain Age. You have a great
Ted Talks video and you talk aboutan AHA moment in there, talking about,
you know, a young woman datingjust kind of a loser guy,
a lazy guy, a guy whodoesn't have much going on, and how
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you had your instructor, you're anew therapist, had an AHA moment.
Could you just talk about that briefly? I thought it was really insightful.
Yeah. It you know, goesback to the one of the earliest questions
you asked me is why I workwith twenty some things? And you know,
I said, that's where all theaction is, and it's also the
time when you get to get infront of a lot of big moments.
So this was early on in mycareer. I was working with the twenty
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something. She was sort of datingaround not taking your love life very seriously,
and I have to admit I wasn'ttaking it very seriously either. And
my supervisor said, you need tochange that. You need to you know,
have her and you look at thoselike it matters. And I said
that, well, you know doesit. It's not like she's going to
marry this person. And my superservisorsaid, well, she might marry the
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next one. But the best timeto work on your marriage is before you
have one. And it was reallythis realization that when you work with people,
or when you work on yourself earlyin adulthood, before you've made all
your career choices and love choices andwhere you're going to live choices, if
you're doing that work early on,the payoff is enormous across the span of
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adulthood. And we can have helicopterparents really messing up twenty somethings in their
twenties. I'd like to you,and I've got just a couple of minutes
left, can you talk about thatand tell those parents listening who want to
just intervene on everything, including Hey, I want to listen in on your
job interview. We've all heard thosestories. How do you speak to those
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people? Well, it's you know, I tell them that as a therapist,
I'm a pusher rather than a puller, that I would rather push my
clients out into their lives, outinto good jobs and relationships and experiences and
healthy habits than bring them in closeto me and solve their problems for them,
Because if I'm the most important personin their life, I'm not serving
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them. So I think to reallyunderstand that life is the best therapist.
I as a therapist, am notthere to fix my client's problems or else
still be dependent on me forever.And the same thing goes for parents,
that this is really a time forskill building. That is what is going
to improve your kid's life and mentalhealth. So you have to let them
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get out there and build their ownskills, and they don't do that if
you're doing the work for them.I feel so much better after talking with
you, And I know everyone whohas a twenty something listening to us meg
is going to want to get thisbook book because I mean, this is
better than long term therapy for themselves. Well, yeah, I wrote it
to be therapy in a book,help and hope in a book, and
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it's really a very hopeful message thatthis is when life starts to get better.
And until twenty something, these shouldn'tbe the best years of your life.
Life should continue to get better asyou go, and it does.
And don't be afraid to let themfail that life teach them right. Yeah,
good wisdom, good wisdom. Indeed, Meg j has been our guest
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her brand new book, The twentySomething Treatment, A Revolutionary Remedy for an
uncertain Age. I love that title. Available wherever books are sold. We
will put the link up for notonly the book, but for doctor Meg
Jay's website and also her wonderful tedtalk, which I don't want you to
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miss either. Doctor Megja, thishas been a real privilege. Thank you,
Thank you philmy too. She's beenour guest on this segment of West
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I'm really excited in this segment.We've only been trying to put this program,
this actual program together for about twoand a half months. We are
going to tell the story of StandUp Great Lakes, which is a wonderful
cause you should know about and agreat documentary which will hopefully make its way
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to the West Michigan area. Ihave a couple of really just stand up
guys. Corey Atkins is VP ofStand Up Great Lakes plus content and communications
structor for the wonderful Great Lakes ShipwreckMuseum in beautiful Paradise, Michigan. We're
going to talk about that hopefully atthe end of our conversation. And Quinn
Morris is co founder and stand upof co founder of Stand Up for Great
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Lakes and he's with us as well. Are you, Quinn an expert on
the stand up paddle board? Imean, could you teach this art now.
Man, I wouldn't call us experts, but I mean I could.
I could give some a few pointers. You could have you taught Corey how
to do it. Yet I've beentrying to get Corey on on a board
for years and you said stand upguys. I was like, yeah,
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Corey's a stand up guy, butnot an actual stand up I want to
first of all talk about Stand UpGreat Lakes and Corey you you got involved
with Stand Up Great Lakes, butQuinn, as co founder, essentially you're
about bringing much needed attention and focusto just this in incredible. I mean,
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it's so big, it's so omnipresenthere in Michigan that we so often
take for a ticket for granted,why stand up for Great Lakes? What
was the catalyst for starting this organization? Quinn? Really it was just the
challenge of a lifetime. You know, about a decade ago, we were
on the shores of Lake Michigan,and you know how buddies get when you're
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kind of competitive. It's like,I wonder if you could paddle across this
thing, and you know, wedidn't have as much respect, you know,
growing up on the shor as you'rejust like you said, you're like,
oh, you know, Lake Michigan'sbeautiful, right, you don't appreciate
it. So we got together andwe it was really just a challenge of
a lifetime. And then it kindof grew into this, Hey, let's
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do you know, raise some moneywhile we're you know, planning this kind
of thing. And man, wewere so naive and we have no idea
how big the Great Lakes were untilwe decided to try to cross one.
So uh, it started at likea Christmas party, like kind of a
not a joke, but uh,hey can we do this? And we
started planning and we realized how,like I said, naive we were when
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we started planning it. So,how many of the Great Lakes have you
crossed? So just this last summer, almost a year ago, we crossed
all five successfully on Santa paddleboards.So all of them. Yeah, which
one was the farthest across? GwynnLake Huron was by far the farthest.
It was over ninety miles and twentyeight twenty nine hours of straight paddling.
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But and to go back to thebeginning, it started as it was going
to be just that lake, likewe were just going to do Lake Michigan
and call it good. And werealized we had this unique opportunity to do
something special and unique and raise awarenessin a positive way for the Great Lakes.
So once we hit shore after LakeMichigan, we're like, that's it.
We're done. Hardest thing we've everdone. And then we got a
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message on Facebook, Hey, we'dlike to show your film at a at
a film fest and Alpina and all, also, what do you think about
crossing lake here on? So thatwas the kind of the the catalyst to
build something more than just the onecrossing. You're doing this and for our
listening audience, I mean, youhear crossing the Great Lakes. It's been
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done before. But you're doing iton a stand up paddle board, which
I know, reading a little bitfrom the stand Up Great Lakes website,
which is a a great website.You're doing this on a stand up paddle
board, which takes all kinds ofmuscles, all kinds of concentration. How
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did you practice for this, uh, paddling a ton and really in the
act of stand up, I mean, we're not going to go out when
it's like crazy weather. Although wehave hit some of the biggest waves and
things we've paddled in. But it'sreally a mental challenge. You know.
We we don't sleep the entire time, we don't touch safety boats. Everything's
on our boards with us, andI think if we would have done it
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so, we wouldn't have made it, you know. But having that camaraderie
and the keep going and there's nooption, you know, people have donated.
We're not stop and we'll fight throughanything. So really it's just that
the mental toughness piece and trying tobe in the best shape as you can.
Yeah. Yeah, And I understandfrom what Corey is quoted in some
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news coverage about Crossing Ontario, whichis the documentary you guys worked on together.
Corey is an Emmy Award winning videoand film producer. This was the
toughest Crossing Ontario. Lake Ontario wasthe toughest. It was what ended up
being the subject for the documentary CrossingOntario. Corey Atkins, I'll let you
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take it from there. Why wasfirst of all, how did you guys
connect and why did you decide todo a documentary about Ontario and not Lake
Huron. Well, I did doone on here, so I've done one
on here on Superior, Hereie andOntario with these guys. But we met
at the thunder Bay International Film Festivalwhen Quinn came up to me ands,
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hey, do you want to hopon a boat and cross stake here on
with us this summer? And likesure, why not? So I thought
myself on it. You know,almost twenty nine hour boat ride from lp
A the tober Marrie, Canada,Ontario, and that was a rough one
on them. But for some reasonOntario, about four hours in Ontario,
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the weather switched and it made theirlives not easy. Yeah, the sire,
the waves are coming out of theside, which is the worst four
paddles when when you're trying to dealwith it on the side, you know,
come in front, you know,front to back is a lot easier
for them than side chopped right,Quinn, definitely, And when you say
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it was the toughest, it definitely. I can add some some to that,
but continue on, Corey, No, I it just it was we
had you know, we had adifferent safety crew for this and uh we
you know, we didn't have ournormal people on this on this ride,
but they were taking good care ofus. The boats were a lot smaller,
and so I could feel these wavesjust as much as these guys would.
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I'll just never forget the captain ofOrange Force Marine on Ontario keep yelling
where's Corey? Where is he?Where is he? So I just had
to like sit on the boat becausethe waves got to be so so big
out there, and Ontario really tookits toll on everybody, the safety cruise
and the baddlers. It was justit was an adventure and I could just
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see that it was knocking these guys. You know, nobody fell in or
anything, but it was really roughon these guys. So that kind of
that kind of became a point tothe documentary of how tough this is.
Even though it was the shortest lake, it was one of the toughest.
Yeah, that's Corey Adkins. Heis the videographer for Crossing Ontario, also
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VP of sand Up Great Lakes andContent and Communications director for the Great Lakes
Shipwreck Museum. Quinn Morris is withus as well, co founder of Stand
Up Great Lakes and Quinn was oneof the guys on one of the paddle
boards going across Lake Ontario as wellas all the other Great Lakes Quinn,
I want to ask you, whenyou have those side waves they hit your
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board. I'm assuming you guys felloff once or twice you get back on
and just keep going right. Yeah. Absolutely, And when Corey says it
was the toughest in the shortest leg, it was. I mean that side
chop is the worst. You canhandle it from behind, You can handle
it, you know, coming rightat you, but when it's side chopped
for two, three, four orfive hours and some of the waves right
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to four to My goal on allof the Great Lakes was always to stand
up while I was paddling. Youknow, on brakes you'd sit down,
rest your feet and things. OnOntario it was impossible to paddle standing up
because you had to use so muchlike it's just like it would have been
impossible you to just kept falling over. So we paddled, you know,
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for hours on our knees, andyeah, like Corey said, it was
tough. I mean each lake hasits own challenges, but for the amount
of time that was, that wastough paddling. Yeah. Yeah, never
forget. I was talking to thecaptain and I was like, man,
when Quinn goes to his deeds,it's tough because he's never he's never had
to do that except around the material. But I was like, man,
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these guys are really going through abattle, right, I can only imagine
and kneeling on the board, Quinndistribute to wait more evenly so you've got
more stability fair enough to say yeah, and you're not a sale when you're
standing up. The problem with theside chop it was throwing our board every
wave in the wrong direction, soyou have to like push push, push,
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push just to get it back inthe right direction. Then the next
wave would push you back. Soif you're standing it was just like I
said, it would have tipped youover every you know, thirty seconds,
which is not fun. Yeah,I'm looking at a photo of you and
you cross with two other guys.We ought to name them and give them
credit. Who are your partners onthis journey? Yeah, Jeff guy out
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of Traverse City and then Joe Lorenz. He lives in Travers City now but
originally from the Plymouth area. Soa stand up paddle board. I think
most of our listeners here on iHeartRadioWest Michigan have seen a stand up paddle
board. It's about what seven feetlong and about two feet wide roughly three
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feet whit fis are special crossing boards, so they're fourteen ft long and they're
thirty thirty two inches wide with thedisplacement hall. They're more venture board for
carrying heavy loads and stability, soit's not your normal board. But yeah,
yeah, that's really impressive considering you'recrossing one of the largest bodies of
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water in North America. Guys,before we run out of time, I
want to first of all mentioned thisfilm Crossing Ontario did debut this January.
In fact, you showed the filmif I have this correctly, at the
thunder Bay International Film Festival where youguys met in Alpina. The film will
be shown again in Traverse City.I know we don't have a specific time,
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but as we are airing on theradio on Sunday, April fourteenth,
what is the date for the showingin Traverse City at the State Theater.
That would be on May fifteenth,Okay, on May fifteenth, Yes,
and we'll get you all the informationwhen we find out about it. We'll
put that on our podcast notes.And if you don't want to cross the
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Great Lakes on a stand up paddleboard, you can support what Stand Up
for Great Lakes is doing, andQuinn, the easiest way to do that
is to go to your website.Can you give us kind of a forty
second elevator pitch about why you guysshould be supported And obviously just the education
and the awareness of the lakes beginswith that, right Yeah, like you
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said, going to our website,you can watch all of our documentaries on
the rivers, the student paddles thatwe've participated in. You know, we
try to inspire the youth. Sothat's one of our big missions is getting
these kids out and doing some coolthings too. And then we do our
beach cleanups and like I said,our documentary awareness and Earth Day information and
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projects. So and we're growing.We're going to continue to grow and do
things in a positive way for theGreat Lakes. So more paddles to come
as well, indeed, and youcan support them. You can watch those
great films at stand Up for GreatLakes dot com. Stand Up for Great
Lakes dot com. And before werun out of time, we want to
mention Corey Atkins not only the producerfor Crossing Ontario and the person who put
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this all together, but he's alsocontent and communications director for a must see
place if you haven't been there inMichigan, the Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum in
Paradise, Michigan. As this isplan on the radio April fourteenth, When
do you guys open? Corey?We're open May first, May first for
the season May first, and werun till October thirty first, Okay,
and I highly highly recommend it.I hope to come up there and see
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you this summer. Hey, guys, can we do a part two on
this? Because we're running out oftime? I really want to tell the
rest of the story because I knowthere's more to the story. Will you
come back again for a part two? Yeah? Absolutely, I would really
love that two All around stand upguys. As we said earlier, Quinn
Morris, co founder of Stand Upfor Great Lakes and Corey Atkins, VP
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of Stand Up for Great Lakes andalso content and communications director with a Great
Lake Shipwreck Museum with us on thissegment of West Michigan Weekend. That's our
program. Thank you so much forlistening. We'll join you again right here
next week on this iHeartRadio station,iHeartMedia. West Michigan Weekend, a public affairs program
iHeartMedia West Michigan Weekend a public affairsprogram. This is iHeartRadio's West Michigan Weekend
and welcome into the weekend. HappySunday to you. I'm Phil Tower.
Always a pleasure to be with youevery Sunday across whatever iHeartRadio station here in
the greater West Michigan area you happento be listened to. And a little
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bit of a full disclosure here onlive radio the next conversation you're about to
hear. It's a little bit selfish. I interview authors on this program all
the time. I'm really excited withthis conversation because, first of all,
I have two twenty somethings in myfamily, actually have three twenty somethings.
I'm not that old. And I'mexcited about this book, as I know
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any one of you listening will beif you have a twenty something in your
family or you soon to have atwenty something. My guest is doctor Meg
Jay. She is the author ofa brain new book, The twenty something
Treatment of Revolutionary Remedy for an UncertainAge. Meg is the author of several
great books. By the way,this book just out as of a few
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days ago. On the Simon andSchuster label and available wherever books are sold.
Doctor Meg Jay has written several books, her latest By the Way,
which we just told you, hercult classic The Defining Decade, Why Your
Twenties Matter and How to make themost of them, and super Normal,
The Secret World of the Family Hero. There's just so much to talk about,
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Meg Jay, but I'm just goingto say welcome. I'm so glad
you're with me. Well, thankyou, Phil, it's great to be
here, and thank you for thatlovely introduction. Well, and you have.
I gotta admit I'm a huge fanof Ted Talks. I share a
lot of Ted talk videos and Ididn't realize you have one of the most
watched ted talks online to date.Your video has been viewed thirteen and a
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half million times on ted talks andwe're going to put the link up in
our podcast notes page. By theway, this conversation will be available as
a podcast, and you can getthat atwood radio dot com. The newest
book is The Twenty Something Treatment.I already know from reading about you you're
an expert on twenty somethings. NewYork Time has said you're basically the expert
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on twenty somethings, Why is thisan important decade? Let's first start with
that, and then I've got somequestions from my own first hand experience with
living with twenty somethings. Yeah.Yeah, well, you know, my
first big twenty something book, ThatDefining Decade, was about why the twenties
are so defining. They're the mosttransformative decade of adult life. There's a
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lot of action there, which iswhy I work in that space. And
the most recent book, The twentysomething Treatment, is about how they're also
perhaps the most difficult decade of adultlife. And we can talk more about
that later. But you know,there's a lot of going on with mental
high during the twenties, a lotof people feeling anxious and depressed and stressed
and leaning on substances. So there'sa lot of work to be done in
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that decade. But it's also,like I said, very transformative and often
a big point for change. Youknow, this is an interesting thing I
have realized, at least in thetwenty somethings i've spoken with. You're a
clinical psychologist. I think they feelmore comfortable talking about themselves. I know,
then my generation did is that akind of a thing for twenty somethings
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where they feel comfortable with you asa psychologist or a counselor in a chair.
Yeah, it is. I meanit's I've been specializing in twenty somethings
for twenty five years. I think, you know, we're more likely now
than when I started to talk explicitlyand publicly about mental health, which is
a great thing. Although a lotof what the twenty something treatment is about
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is that, you know, mosttwenty somethings don't have disorders that need to
be treated. They have problems they'retrying to solve, change as they're trying
to make skills they need to learn. So a lot of my work it's
really not about pathologizing twenty something life. It's about normalizing the struggles, normalizing
the solutions, and helping twenty somethingsmove ahead. Yeah, and this will
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be This is a book that anyparent of a twenty something should read.
And I think actually is as unusualas this sounds. If you manage twenty
somethings in your day job as Ido, this is an important book to
read because a lot of times we'rejust you know, standing around the water
cooler going. I don't know what'sup with this general deal, what's going
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on? You know, it's justa difficult age. Yes, it's believe
me, it's harder on them thanit is on you, believe it or
not. But the book is writtenfor twenty somethings, but also for anyone
who wants to listen in on whatis going on with twenty somethings. Why
are they're struggling? How can wehelp? And you're absolutely right about work.
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Work is actually the leading driver ofpositive personality change in the twenties.
So a lot is happening at workbecause so many new skills are being learned
and competencies and confidence is being gained, and so it's a huge point of
change for twenty somethings. One ofmy biggest pieces of advice is go get
the best job you can with thebest boss or the best mentor, because
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so much growth and change can happenthere. So I would love for employers
to read this book too. Youknow, you also talk about the fact,
and I've experienced this with my twentysomethings, their job jumpers. They
change jobs a lot, and thatcan be a little disconcerting for their parents.
Can you talk about that and whythat's a thing. Yeah, I
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mean I don't really put it necessarilyon twenty somethings. It's really the you
know, modern employment these days.But on average, twenty somethings will have
nine different jobs by the age ofthirty five. So that's the average.
Yeah, I mean, I lookback at my twenties. I think at
one point I might have had ninejobs all at time. So you know
that's gone. Are the days thatpeople will graduate from college and you know,
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pick a job or even pick acareer path and be on a linear
path through that. So it's verycommon for twenty somethings to have a job
for about a year or two ata time before they switch to something else.
And it could be a different positionwithin the same company, but there's
a lot of movement, and youknow, like I said, it's really
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a place where twenty somethings grow andlearn a lot. So I encourage them
to get on the steepest learning curvethey can find at work, and if
they don't have that where they are, to look for that elsewhere. Doctor
Meg Jay is with us. Megis the author of a brand new book
called The twenty something treatment, arevolutionary remedy for an uncertain age, available
wherever books are sold. You talkabout anxiety, and I think anxiety is
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an issue for so many people,so many of our listeners. It is.
I remember reading once it was oneof the most diagnose disorders in terms
of emotional health. But you talkabout social anxiety meg as a big issue
for twenty something. Can you kindof dive into that. Yeah, I
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mean it's the fastest growing diagnosis,and I mean, you know, diagnosis
in terms of what twenty somethings arebeing told that they have. But if
you really ask twenty some things,what's going on? What are you feeling
anxious about? What you hear isthat it's mostly about social uncertainty. And
I try to help people not gettoo wrapped around the idea that they're disordered
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or they have a diagnosis. Aboutfifty percent of young adults have moderate quote
social anxiety, which is really moresocial uncertainty. If I don't know if
I have friends, I don't knowif people like me. I'm worried about
this presentation at work. I don'tknow how to break into conversations at a
cocktail party. It's just a timewhen their social lives are very much on
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the move. They're between families anddon't feel like, you know, they're
not sure who their people are,and so that's anxiety provoking and that's pretty
normal. I've been wanting to askyou this question for some time, and
it's straightforward. As a parent,what's the biggest mistake a parent can make?
And I know there are a lotof them in trying to get information
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out of their twenty something. Listen, Meg, we want to figure out
a way to help them feel moreconfident as a twenty something. We want
to make sure they know. Imean, I tell my sons this all
the time. We want to makesure you know that. I want to
listen to you. I want tobe a sounding board. But the more
you do that, I'm assuming I'mreally screwing up as a parent. No,
you're not, Phil, It's parentingis hard. I think my biggest
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piece of advice, or pieces ofadvice for parents out there is one is
don't panic if your twenty something isstruggling. You know, the twenties are
the mental health low point of life. I'm sorry to say it's a very
uncertain and difficult time, but They'realso a turning point when things start to
get better. Resist the urge topanic and convey the message that you think
you're twenty something is you know,messed up or can't figure this out.
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I think convey confidence of hey,I believe in you. I know this
is hard. I'm here if youneed me, but I believe in you.
I have confidence that you can getthrough this. And then I think
just spending time with your twenty something, but some of the habits and kind
of healthy mental health choices I talkabout in the book in terms of cooking
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more, exercising more. You know, don't don't tell your twenty something to
do things you're not doing yourself.So say, hey, let's go play
some pickleball, let's go walk adog. I'd love to get together and
you know, play around of golf, whatever your thing is. And I
think it's sort of like you know, when you used to drive in the
car with your teenager and eventually theywould get around to telling you things.
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I think going out and doing thingswith your twenty something, you know,
cook together, be active together,you know, go to the movies together.
Whatever you can get them to dowith you, and then let them
drive those conversations. Meg Jay iswith us her brand new book, highly
recommended, The twenty something Treatment,a revolutionary remedy for an uncertain age.
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You talk about in the book howimportant experience is, building experiences, learning
skills is for a twenty something,and I think that can be rewarding for
any age. But why is itso important to this twenty something? Well,
Phil, it's because everything's new.So you know, a big tagline
or theme in the book is reallysort of skills over pills. And you
know, I'm not for against medication, whether you're on it or not.
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Everybody needs skills, and twenty somethingsare having you know, first jobs,
first apartments, first relationships, firstbreakups, first everything. So the way
to get through those and not youknow, have it take such a toll
on your mental health is to getmore experience. So that means you know,
good experiences, bad experiences. Alot of it's going to be hard,
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but that's how you get the confidencethat, hey, I know how
to do this, or even ifthings don't go exactly the way I thought
or the way I planned, Iknow I can get through it and you
know, find a better job nexttime, or a better relationship next time,
or a better way to cope nexttime, you know you have and
again, if you're listening to asI'm speaking with Meg Jay. She is
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the author of several great books aclinical psychologist. The latest book is The
twenty something Treatment of Revolutionary Remedy foran Uncertain Age. You have a great
Ted Talks video and you talk aboutan AHA moment in there, talking about,
you know, a young woman datingjust kind of a loser guy,
a lazy guy, a guy whodoesn't have much going on, and how
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you had your instructor, you're anew therapist, had an AHA moment.
Could you just talk about that briefly? I thought it was really insightful.
Yeah. It you know, goesback to the one of the earliest questions
you asked me is why I workwith twenty some things? And you know,
I said, that's where all theaction is, and it's also the
time when you get to get infront of a lot of big moments.
So this was early on in mycareer. I was working with the twenty
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something. She was sort of datingaround not taking your love life very seriously,
and I have to admit I wasn'ttaking it very seriously either. And
my supervisor said, you need tochange that. You need to you know,
have her and you look at thoselike it matters. And I said
that, well, you know doesit. It's not like she's going to
marry this person. And my superservisorsaid, well, she might marry the
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next one. But the best timeto work on your marriage is before you
have one. And it was reallythis realization that when you work with people,
or when you work on yourself earlyin adulthood, before you've made all
your career choices and love choices andwhere you're going to live choices, if
you're doing that work early on,the payoff is enormous across the span of
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adulthood. And we can have helicopterparents really messing up twenty somethings in their
twenties. I'd like to you,and I've got just a couple of minutes
left, can you talk about thatand tell those parents listening who want to
just intervene on everything, including Hey, I want to listen in on your
job interview. We've all heard thosestories. How do you speak to those
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people? Well, it's you know, I tell them that as a therapist,
I'm a pusher rather than a puller, that I would rather push my
clients out into their lives, outinto good jobs and relationships and experiences and
healthy habits than bring them in closeto me and solve their problems for them,
Because if I'm the most important personin their life, I'm not serving
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them. So I think to reallyunderstand that life is the best therapist.
I as a therapist, am notthere to fix my client's problems or else
still be dependent on me forever.And the same thing goes for parents,
that this is really a time forskill building. That is what is going
to improve your kid's life and mentalhealth. So you have to let them
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get out there and build their ownskills, and they don't do that if
you're doing the work for them.I feel so much better after talking with
you, And I know everyone whohas a twenty something listening to us meg
is going to want to get thisbook book because I mean, this is
better than long term therapy for themselves. Well, yeah, I wrote it
to be therapy in a book,help and hope in a book, and
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it's really a very hopeful message thatthis is when life starts to get better.
And until twenty something, these shouldn'tbe the best years of your life.
Life should continue to get better asyou go, and it does.
And don't be afraid to let themfail that life teach them right. Yeah,
good wisdom, good wisdom. Indeed, Meg j has been our guest
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her brand new book, The twentySomething Treatment, A Revolutionary Remedy for an
uncertain Age. I love that title. Available wherever books are sold. We
will put the link up for notonly the book, but for doctor Meg
Jay's website and also her wonderful tedtalk, which I don't want you to
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miss either. Doctor Megja, thishas been a real privilege. Thank you,
Thank you philmy too. She's beenour guest on this segment of West
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I'm really excited in this segment.We've only been trying to put this program,
this actual program together for about twoand a half months. We are
going to tell the story of StandUp Great Lakes, which is a wonderful
cause you should know about and agreat documentary which will hopefully make its way
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to the West Michigan area. Ihave a couple of really just stand up
guys. Corey Atkins is VP ofStand Up Great Lakes plus content and communications
structor for the wonderful Great Lakes ShipwreckMuseum in beautiful Paradise, Michigan. We're
going to talk about that hopefully atthe end of our conversation. And Quinn
Morris is co founder and stand upof co founder of Stand Up for Great
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Lakes and he's with us as well. Are you, Quinn an expert on
the stand up paddle board? Imean, could you teach this art now.
Man, I wouldn't call us experts, but I mean I could.
I could give some a few pointers. You could have you taught Corey how
to do it. Yet I've beentrying to get Corey on on a board
for years and you said stand upguys. I was like, yeah,
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Corey's a stand up guy, butnot an actual stand up I want to
first of all talk about Stand UpGreat Lakes and Corey you you got involved
with Stand Up Great Lakes, butQuinn, as co founder, essentially you're
about bringing much needed attention and focusto just this in incredible. I mean,
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it's so big, it's so omnipresenthere in Michigan that we so often
take for a ticket for granted,why stand up for Great Lakes? What
was the catalyst for starting this organization? Quinn? Really it was just the
challenge of a lifetime. You know, about a decade ago, we were
on the shores of Lake Michigan,and you know how buddies get when you're
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kind of competitive. It's like,I wonder if you could paddle across this
thing, and you know, wedidn't have as much respect, you know,
growing up on the shor as you'rejust like you said, you're like,
oh, you know, Lake Michigan'sbeautiful, right, you don't appreciate
it. So we got together andwe it was really just a challenge of
a lifetime. And then it kindof grew into this, Hey, let's
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do you know, raise some moneywhile we're you know, planning this kind
of thing. And man, wewere so naive and we have no idea
how big the Great Lakes were untilwe decided to try to cross one.
So uh, it started at likea Christmas party, like kind of a
not a joke, but uh,hey can we do this? And we
started planning and we realized how,like I said, naive we were when
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we started planning it. So,how many of the Great Lakes have you
crossed? So just this last summer, almost a year ago, we crossed
all five successfully on Santa paddleboards.So all of them. Yeah, which
one was the farthest across? GwynnLake Huron was by far the farthest.
It was over ninety miles and twentyeight twenty nine hours of straight paddling.
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But and to go back to thebeginning, it started as it was going
to be just that lake, likewe were just going to do Lake Michigan
and call it good. And werealized we had this unique opportunity to do
something special and unique and raise awarenessin a positive way for the Great Lakes.
So once we hit shore after LakeMichigan, we're like, that's it.
We're done. Hardest thing we've everdone. And then we got a
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message on Facebook, Hey, we'dlike to show your film at a at
a film fest and Alpina and all, also, what do you think about
crossing lake here on? So thatwas the kind of the the catalyst to
build something more than just the onecrossing. You're doing this and for our
listening audience, I mean, youhear crossing the Great Lakes. It's been
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done before. But you're doing iton a stand up paddle board, which
I know, reading a little bitfrom the stand Up Great Lakes website,
which is a a great website.You're doing this on a stand up paddle
board, which takes all kinds ofmuscles, all kinds of concentration. How
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did you practice for this, uh, paddling a ton and really in the
act of stand up, I mean, we're not going to go out when
it's like crazy weather. Although wehave hit some of the biggest waves and
things we've paddled in. But it'sreally a mental challenge. You know.
We we don't sleep the entire time, we don't touch safety boats. Everything's
on our boards with us, andI think if we would have done it
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so, we wouldn't have made it, you know. But having that camaraderie
and the keep going and there's nooption, you know, people have donated.
We're not stop and we'll fight throughanything. So really it's just that
the mental toughness piece and trying tobe in the best shape as you can.
Yeah. Yeah, And I understandfrom what Corey is quoted in some
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news coverage about Crossing Ontario, whichis the documentary you guys worked on together.
Corey is an Emmy Award winning videoand film producer. This was the
toughest Crossing Ontario. Lake Ontario wasthe toughest. It was what ended up
being the subject for the documentary CrossingOntario. Corey Atkins, I'll let you
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take it from there. Why wasfirst of all, how did you guys
connect and why did you decide todo a documentary about Ontario and not Lake
Huron. Well, I did doone on here, so I've done one
on here on Superior, Hereie andOntario with these guys. But we met
at the thunder Bay International Film Festivalwhen Quinn came up to me ands,
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hey, do you want to hopon a boat and cross stake here on
with us this summer? And likesure, why not? So I thought
myself on it. You know,almost twenty nine hour boat ride from lp
A the tober Marrie, Canada,Ontario, and that was a rough one
on them. But for some reasonOntario, about four hours in Ontario,
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the weather switched and it made theirlives not easy. Yeah, the sire,
the waves are coming out of theside, which is the worst four
paddles when when you're trying to dealwith it on the side, you know,
come in front, you know,front to back is a lot easier
for them than side chopped right,Quinn, definitely, And when you say
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it was the toughest, it definitely. I can add some some to that,
but continue on, Corey, No, I it just it was we
had you know, we had adifferent safety crew for this and uh we
you know, we didn't have ournormal people on this on this ride,
but they were taking good care ofus. The boats were a lot smaller,
and so I could feel these wavesjust as much as these guys would.
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I'll just never forget the captain ofOrange Force Marine on Ontario keep yelling
where's Corey? Where is he?Where is he? So I just had
to like sit on the boat becausethe waves got to be so so big
out there, and Ontario really tookits toll on everybody, the safety cruise
and the baddlers. It was justit was an adventure and I could just
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see that it was knocking these guys. You know, nobody fell in or
anything, but it was really roughon these guys. So that kind of
that kind of became a point tothe documentary of how tough this is.
Even though it was the shortest lake, it was one of the toughest.
Yeah, that's Corey Adkins. Heis the videographer for Crossing Ontario, also
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VP of sand Up Great Lakes andContent and Communications director for the Great Lakes
Shipwreck Museum. Quinn Morris is withus as well, co founder of Stand
Up Great Lakes and Quinn was oneof the guys on one of the paddle
boards going across Lake Ontario as wellas all the other Great Lakes Quinn,
I want to ask you, whenyou have those side waves they hit your
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board. I'm assuming you guys felloff once or twice you get back on
and just keep going right. Yeah. Absolutely, And when Corey says it
was the toughest in the shortest leg, it was. I mean that side
chop is the worst. You canhandle it from behind, You can handle
it, you know, coming rightat you, but when it's side chopped
for two, three, four orfive hours and some of the waves right
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to four to My goal on allof the Great Lakes was always to stand
up while I was paddling. Youknow, on brakes you'd sit down,
rest your feet and things. OnOntario it was impossible to paddle standing up
because you had to use so muchlike it's just like it would have been
impossible you to just kept falling over. So we paddled, you know,
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for hours on our knees, andyeah, like Corey said, it was
tough. I mean each lake hasits own challenges, but for the amount
of time that was, that wastough paddling. Yeah. Yeah, never
forget. I was talking to thecaptain and I was like, man,
when Quinn goes to his deeds,it's tough because he's never he's never had
to do that except around the material. But I was like, man,
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these guys are really going through abattle, right, I can only imagine
and kneeling on the board, Quinndistribute to wait more evenly so you've got
more stability fair enough to say yeah, and you're not a sale when you're
standing up. The problem with theside chop it was throwing our board every
wave in the wrong direction, soyou have to like push push, push,
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push just to get it back inthe right direction. Then the next
wave would push you back. Soif you're standing it was just like I
said, it would have tipped youover every you know, thirty seconds,
which is not fun. Yeah,I'm looking at a photo of you and
you cross with two other guys.We ought to name them and give them
credit. Who are your partners onthis journey? Yeah, Jeff guy out
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of Traverse City and then Joe Lorenz. He lives in Travers City now but
originally from the Plymouth area. Soa stand up paddle board. I think
most of our listeners here on iHeartRadioWest Michigan have seen a stand up paddle
board. It's about what seven feetlong and about two feet wide roughly three
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feet whit fis are special crossing boards, so they're fourteen ft long and they're
thirty thirty two inches wide with thedisplacement hall. They're more venture board for
carrying heavy loads and stability, soit's not your normal board. But yeah,
yeah, that's really impressive considering you'recrossing one of the largest bodies of
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water in North America. Guys,before we run out of time, I
want to first of all mentioned thisfilm Crossing Ontario did debut this January.
In fact, you showed the filmif I have this correctly, at the
thunder Bay International Film Festival where youguys met in Alpina. The film will
be shown again in Traverse City.I know we don't have a specific time,
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but as we are airing on theradio on Sunday, April fourteenth,
what is the date for the showingin Traverse City at the State Theater.
That would be on May fifteenth,Okay, on May fifteenth, Yes,
and we'll get you all the informationwhen we find out about it. We'll
put that on our podcast notes.And if you don't want to cross the
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Great Lakes on a stand up paddleboard, you can support what Stand Up
for Great Lakes is doing, andQuinn, the easiest way to do that
is to go to your website.Can you give us kind of a forty
second elevator pitch about why you guysshould be supported And obviously just the education
and the awareness of the lakes beginswith that, right Yeah, like you
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said, going to our website,you can watch all of our documentaries on
the rivers, the student paddles thatwe've participated in. You know, we
try to inspire the youth. Sothat's one of our big missions is getting
these kids out and doing some coolthings too. And then we do our
beach cleanups and like I said,our documentary awareness and Earth Day information and
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projects. So and we're growing.We're going to continue to grow and do
things in a positive way for theGreat Lakes. So more paddles to come
as well, indeed, and youcan support them. You can watch those
great films at stand Up for GreatLakes dot com. Stand Up for Great
Lakes dot com. And before werun out of time, we want to
mention Corey Atkins not only the producerfor Crossing Ontario and the person who put
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this all together, but he's alsocontent and communications director for a must see
place if you haven't been there inMichigan, the Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum in
Paradise, Michigan. As this isplan on the radio April fourteenth, When
do you guys open? Corey?We're open May first, May first for
the season May first, and werun till October thirty first, Okay,
and I highly highly recommend it.I hope to come up there and see
(28:12):
you this summer. Hey, guys, can we do a part two on
this? Because we're running out oftime? I really want to tell the
rest of the story because I knowthere's more to the story. Will you
come back again for a part two? Yeah? Absolutely, I would really
love that two All around stand upguys. As we said earlier, Quinn
Morris, co founder of Stand Upfor Great Lakes and Corey Atkins, VP
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of Stand Up for Great Lakes andalso content and communications director with a Great
Lake Shipwreck Museum with us on thissegment of West Michigan Weekend. That's our
program. Thank you so much forlistening. We'll join you again right here
next week on this iHeartRadio station,iHeartMedia. West Michigan Weekend, a public affairs program
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