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May 4, 2025 14 mins
In this segment, host Phil Tower, welcomes Katie Tucker, a personal injury attorney with Sinas Dramis Law Firm. Katie specializes in advocating for the rights of people who have been seriously injured or killed in Michigan auto accidents, motorcycle accidents, pedestrian-motor vehicle accidents, etc. She's also an expert on child safety seat laws in Michigan.
Katie joined us to breakdown Michigan’s new child passenger safety laws which took effect on April 2, 2025. Some of the key changes with the new child safety seat laws involve extending the rear-facing car seat requirement until the age of 2 or the child exceeds the maximum height or weight limit specified by the manufacturer. Changes with a forward, facing car seats, changes with children, who use booster seats, and no guidance on property use of adult seatbelts for older children. We also learned that any child under the age of 13 in the state of Michigan is still required to sit in the back of a vehicle.
Katie also spoke about the upcoming Sinas Dramis Bicycle helmet giveaway, known as “Lids For Kids” coming up on May 25 here in Grand Rapids. Lids for Kids is West Michigan’s Biggest FREE Bike Helmet Giveaway” and also offers free bicycle helmet fitting along with giveaways.
The Grand Rapids event is Saturday, May 31, from 10 AM – 12 PM at Garfield Park.
 
Read More: New Laws Seek to Protect Michigan Children Involved in Car Accidents

Online: Lids For Kids

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is iHeartRadio's West Michigan Weekend. West Michigan Weekend is
a weekly programmed designed to inform and enlighten on a
wide range of public policy issues, as well as news
and current events. Now here's your host, Phil Tower.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
It's West Michigan Weekend from iHeartRadio. Once again, thank you
so much for tuning in. Recently, in early April, big
set of laws went into effect here in Michigan impacting
child car safety seats. Michigan's new Child passengers safety laws
took effect cross Michigan on April second. These are important laws,

(00:37):
another step in improving the safety for young ones writing
in cars and obviously designed to keep kids safer, fewer
injuries and sadly, deaths for Michigan children who are involved
in car accidents. Katie Tucker has joined us a partner
at Sinus Dramas law firm. She's out of their Lancing office.

(00:58):
She's a personal injury attorney who's specializes in advocating for
the rights of individuals who've been seriously injured or killed
in Michigan auto accidents and a lot of other areas.
This area of child car seats, Katie's told me, is
right in her wheelhouse because she's got a couple of
kids at home. And Katie, thank you for taking the
time to speak with us here on iHeartRadio. I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Thank you so much for having me feel pleasure to
be with you. And yes, this is a topic that
is very near and dear to my heart with a
two and a five year old at home.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Kids safety seats and cars can be confusing for the
parents of the kids, newborns, you know, toddlers, and especially
for the grandparents, especially when those kids have got a
transfer to another vehicle. Katie, let's back up to child
safety seat laws in Michigan. It was just updated, as
we mentioned earlier April. Second, why the updates, From what

(01:48):
you understand.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
I think that's the legislature wanted to bring our state
law in compliance with federal guidelines and regulations standards to
help reduce fatality series and reason car crashes. It's really
a change that would probably overdue and that I'm really
glad to see our legislature make.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
As I'm reading this from your Sinus Dremis newsletter, which,
by the way, you can check them out online at
Sinusdremis dot com. Sinus s I N A S d
R A mis dot com. That's one I need to
spell for you, but you can check it out there.
But one of the things which sounds to me like
a really common sense change in the child safety seat

(02:28):
law is extending the age that a young child is
in a rear facing car seat until the age of two.
I think a lot of people might not have known that,
or the child exceeds a maximum height or weight limit
as specified by the manufacturer. We know that those rear
facing seats are safer, but can you help us unpack

(02:50):
this a little bit in terms of the change and
how that works.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah, absolutely feel so. Previously, our old law in Michigan
was that the child only had to an infant only
had to remain rear facing until age one, and then
on their first birthday they were allowed to move to
a forward facing seat. But research shows that rear facing
seats are actually far safer for children and young children particularly,

(03:17):
and can reduce the risk of traffic fatalities, you know,
by more than fifty percent. Studies suggests up to seventy
one percent for young children under two who are properly
restrained in a rear facing seat. So again, the legislature
here was trying to bring our state law into compliance

(03:39):
with federal guidelines and standards, and so the change is
from age one to age two. Now your child needs
to stay rear facing until their second birthday.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
General question here, and I know there are a lot
of different types of car seats. Is there a recommendation
on how to know if you have the right type
of car seat? Is that something you could google? Does
your law firm make recommendations? How does that work?

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Katie? Yeah, excellent question, Phil. Absolutely, Google, I think is
always a great resource resource and one that as a
parent I use frequently myself. But I know that are
a lot of local fire departments have safey guidance, and
I've noticed that a lot of retailers who sell car
seats are offering uh, you know, workshops or or additional

(04:31):
guidance for parents. So I would say consult, you know,
with those sources. Certainly, you know, doing your own research
online is always a great idea. But again, the key
is making sure that the seat is rear facing. And
if your child exceeds the recommendations in terms of height
and weight before their second birthday, it may be appropriate

(04:52):
to switch them. But if not, you know that second
birthday is the key.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
We're speaking with Katie Tucker. She's a partner at sign
Up Streamous law firm in Lansing, and we're talking about
the new changes to the child passenger safety laws. It
took it back to here in Michigan in early April.
It's important to point out that motor vehicle accidents are
a leading cause of death for children under the age

(05:17):
of thirteen in this country. And child safety seats, it
goes without saying. If they're properly used, they are a
game changer and often a lifesaver for a young child
in a car. So let's talk about forward facing car
seats until age five. Another part of this law. Beginning
at the age of two, a child transitions Katie to

(05:38):
a forward facing seat and they can remain forward facing
until they are five years old or the maximum weight
or height allowed by that car seat manufacturer. But they
need to stay in the back seat at that point.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Still right, correct, Well, yes, the child needs to stay
actually in the back seat now until age twelve, until
they're thirteen birthday. But you are correct. The new law
requires that children under age five remain in a forward
facing car seat with you know, traditional five point harness,

(06:13):
and that is up from age four. So the old
law was that children on their fourth birthday could move
out of a car seat into a booster seat. The
law again, the amendment is that child must remain in
a forward facing car seat until age five. And again
the entire rationale here, the reason you know these changes

(06:34):
have been wrought by our legislature is to reduce fatalities,
reduce serious injuries to children because there's so many studies
that show, you know, proper restraints to save.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Live booster seat until age eight. So after the age
of five, Katie, a child needs to ride in a
belt positioning booster seat until they're eight years old, which
is up from the previous law which required booster seats
only to age four or five. So this is a
big change or four feet nine inches tall. This new law,

(07:07):
as you referred to earlier, aligns with recommendation from the
experts American Academy of Pediatrics that say that kids should
be in that booster seat until they're big enough to
fit properly and correctly in a fitted lap and shoulder
seat belt because a lot of times the kids are
too small and those you know, the shoulder belt especially

(07:28):
is not in a safe position.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Absolutely. Yeah. So the key here again, Phil, is until
age eight, the child needs to be in a booster
seat with a belt positioner to, as you say, make
sure that the seat belt remains in a proper position,
isn't causing any undue pressure stress on the child's neck,
and again properly restraining them safely in the backseat of

(07:54):
the vehicle.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah. I think that's really important to note, and it's
really the guiding principle on this law change. It sounds
like is pretty common sense, Katie, just kids being safer
inside cars, especially with so many people on the road
different sized vehicles. It's one thing to have a Toyota
Prius and then afford F twot fifty super Duty and

(08:18):
have an accident. Obviously, you want the maximum amount of
protection for your kids.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah. Absolutely, And again I've seen in my own practice
both sides of this equation. I've seen kids who were
seriously seriously injured not having been properly restrained. And I've
seen bad car crashes where parents sustain serious injuries but
the children are effectively unharmed because they were properly restrained.

(08:47):
Indotally Aside from the statistics and the studies, I've absolutely
seen this in my own practice and representing clients who
are involved in car crashes with children.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Katie Tucker is with his partner with Sinus Dramus Law firm,
both hearing Grand Rapids and Lansing. In fact, they've you
guys have offices across the state of Michigan. Correct.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
We do, yes, we do. Feel we have an office
in the Metro Detroit area. We have an office now
in the Inn Arbor Kalamazoo, Grand Rapids and Lansing, so
we represent clients across the seat.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
We're talking about the new Child's Safety seat laws. We
are going to at the end of this conversation give
you a quick reminder about a signature, great event that
Sinus Dramas Law has been involved with for over ten years.
It's the Lids for Kids event happening here in Grand
Rapids on Saturday, May thirty first. This is what we
call in the radio business that tease. Stay tuned. You're

(09:40):
going to want to hear about that. But as we
wrap up the new Child's Safety seat Laws with Katie
Tucker from Stramus Law, I want to talk about the
last part which is a little tricky, but it's a
new law for kids in cars and it's important. That's
the proper use of seat belts for older children. The
new law clarifies the proper use of seat belts for

(10:02):
children who are tall enough to use a regular seat belt.
The law says the lap belt should fit across the
child's hips and not their stomach, and the shoulder belt
across the chest and not the neck. That's what we
referred to. And any child under the age of thirteen,
Katie as who referred to earlier, needs to sit in
the back seat of the vehicle. I want to say

(10:22):
that again for our audience because I think that surprises
a lot of people. Any child under the age of
thirteen needs to sit in the backseat of a vehicle.
That is Michigan law. And there are stricter penalties, Katie
Tucker for non compliance, right.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yes, there are. It is actually a civil infraction in
Michigan felt to not be in compliance with the new law,
and so you can face penalties, fines. And of course
the most significant risk that we would all face is
endangering not necessarily you know your child or your grandchild,
or you know needs or nephew who may be writing

(10:56):
with you. Just in addition to the legal concerns, it
just makes sense to make sure that any child who's
writing with you is safely restrained.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, I'm really glad you said that. And you know
what I'm going to throw in real quickly the obvious thing, Katie,
that you and I have not talked about with kids
in cars and mom and dads are grandparents, put the
seatbelt on yourself. You're minding, yes, that's kind of an
important thing, right, it really is.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, absolutely, And you know, as much as we as adults,
you know, don't always do what we're supposed to be
for ourselves. I mean, studies also show that, you know,
of the people who are trying to restrain their kids
and in car seats, you know about half of car
seats are not properly being used. And so as an adult,

(11:43):
you know, making sure that you're modeling that behavior, but
when you're using the car seat, that you're using it
top properly. And if you again you touched on this earlier, Phil,
but if you have questions about, you know, how to
properly restrain your child in your own car seat, definitely
encourage you to consult with your pediatrician and again, local
fire departments are a great resource for this, but we

(12:03):
need to model the behavior and then make sure you
know our kids we're using our our power is their
parents to make sure that they're they're properly buckled in.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Absolutely. Katie Tucker's with a partner at Sinus Remis Law
Firm and you can find out more online at Sinusdremis
dot com, s I n A S d r A
m is dot com. Okay, Katie, a couple of minutes left,
we want to wrap up with this the signature event
for kids in bicycle helmets in Michigan, the Lids for

(12:33):
Kids event. Since twenty fourteen, you guys have really been
champions for kids getting a bike helmet fitting. It's a
free helmet giveaway while supplies last. The event is happening Saturday,
May thirty, first tend to noon at Garfield Park, Burton
and Jefferson and real quickly, what should our listeners know
about Lids for Kids this year?

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, Lids for Kids Phil is always a really fun
time for the whole family. In addition to getting bicycle
safe tips, there are raffles for free bikes. Kids will
get fitted with a helmet. There are family friendly activities,
and this year's event, as you mentioned, Phil, is taking
place in Saturday, May thirty first at Garfield Park. It's

(13:15):
the Burton and Jefferson Entrance. Since we started this event,
as you said, ten years ago, we've given away fourteen
thousand helmets across the states to Michigan children. In addition
to events and Grand Rapids, we've had events in Lansing
and Traverse City in previous years, but we're really excited
to be back in Grand Rapids again at the end
of May, and we hope to see a lot of

(13:37):
families and especially young children out getting fitted and getting
ready for summer.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
I've got just a couple of seconds left, Katie. I'm
going to give everyone the website. It's an easy one
to remember lyddsfour KIDSMI dot Orglydds four Kids m I DOTRG.
You can check it out there and again about three
weeks plus away on Saturday May thirtieth first, here in
Grand Rapids. We've been speaking to Katie Tucker, partner at

(14:06):
Sinus Tramus Law, and she is with her lancing office. Katie,
thank you so much for joining us.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
Thank you Phil for having me. It's been a pleasure
to be here with you, and I look forward to
seeing hopefully a lot of your listeners that are upcoming
lids for his events.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Absolutely, we hope to see you and them there.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
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