Episode 40 - Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark - 14 Going On 40

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I gotta shake off the rust.Melissa, I know a long time,
it really has because I was lookingin our folder and when we did Twilight
it was December. I know,I know it's it's been tough. It's
been really tough. The holidays werebrutal. We had COVID in this house.

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It was just bananas. Okay,Well are you ready? I as
ready as I'll ever be. Okay. So it's no secret that by the
title of the episode, what moviewe're doing? So my first question to

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you, Andrea is do you rememberreading the Scary Stories to Tell in the
Dark? And like, what doyou remember about it? Because I know
I asked you this, but likeour listeners obviously haven't heard that. Yes,
so I do remember reading me iswhen I may It must have been
I must have been what like fifthgrade, I would say, like fifth

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sixth grade, as probably when Iremember going to the library and taking them
out of the Oaklawn Public Library andbringing them home, and I remember like
sticking them in my closet because Iwas just reread. My mom would get
like mad at me forgetting them orsomething, or think that I was going
to have nightmares. But I Ithink it probably did contribute to some nightmares
because I haven't read them in avery long time, but I remember some

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of them being pretty creepy and prettyintense. But I liked the whole like
it was short stories different, likeI kind of liked it when you're in
that age like that fifth, sixth, seventh, like it's it's scary and
stuff like that, you don't itmakes you feel more adult, I guess
to read stuff like that scary orstories. Do you remember any of them,

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like specifically, as like your favorites, just like off the top of
your head. I remember the girlwith the ribbon okay around her neck,
and then I'm trying to think ofand I've probably blended a whole bunch of
them together in my head. Becausethere was another there was another like anthology

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kind of book. It was calledI think it was called like thirteen or
something that was more like it wasolder. It was like different authors.
It was like Christopher Pike and likeArl Stein and short stories by those people
too that I remember reading a lotof. So the scary stories I don't
remember like a ton of like specificones. I do remember, like the

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ones kind of from the movie likeThe Big Toe. I remember that one.
Yeah, I think, yeah,for sure, Bill, Yeah,
So I ended up like same thing. I remember checking the books out of
the library for sure. What Idon't remember is I don't totally remember what
great I was in. I don'tremember if I got them. I remember

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they were hard to come by becauseit was like they were always being checked
out, and you know it likeI can't remember if I got them from
the school library or the public librarybecause I frequently haunted all, you know,
so that is tough for me toremember. But I definitely So there
are actually three Scary Stories books,but I really only remember the first book

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the most, and so I endedup I rebought a while back the three
book sets, so I have themhere. So when I was looking,
I definitely, right off the topof my head remembered the Big Toe because
I also remember that story that um, I mean it's in like Troupe Beverly

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Hills and or like the woman withlike the Golden Arm and it's like where's
my golden arm? And then it'slike You've got it, you know,
and it's the jump scare. AndI remember that these books had that where
it like coaches you it'll say,and so like, if I look at
the Big Toe story, what's reallyinteresting is they categorize them in the contents,

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and so, for instance, thefirst section of the book, which
the Big Toe is in, it'sthe first story. But this is like
where it's all jump stories. Solike, if I go to the Big
Toe, it kind of warns youin parentheses, it says like at this
point, pause and then jump tothe person next to you and shout,

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you've got it. So like itkind of is it tells you how to
do the story artfully, like that, you know, round the camp fire
trying to tell a story. So, um, the whole first section is
all those type of jump scare stories. And so they categorize the sections,
which I do remember it being thatthat being like a thing when I looked

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at these when so the ones thatI remember the most, I do remember
the girl with the ribbon, butthat one did not stick out for me.
The Big Toe for me was anobvious one. I very much remembered
High Beams, which was the onewhere the girl is driving home and there's

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a car behind her that keeps puttingtheir brights on, and then she pulls
into her driveway and she's so afraidof this person that's been following her,
and like it turns out that everytime they were turning the light on,
it was because there was someone intheir back seat like coming up, and
that has like stuck with me.I remember that one too, Yes,
So that one's way later in thebook. There's also a story that is

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called the Babysitter that is kind oflike that, like it's coming from in
the house. And then there isone that I read out loud to Audrey.
There is a section of these thatare funny stories, and one of
them was The Viper. Do youremember that one? Yeah? Yeah,
where it's like I'm the Viper,I've come to vash your windows kind of
thing, and um Audrey. SoI bought these thinking Audrey might be into

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it, because you know, ourfamily is all things Halloween. She's not
having it yet. She definitely thinksthey're too scary. The other thing that
I really remember was like the artworkin it. I think that was the
other big appeal in this was thesecrazy like I think when I was a
kid, I had never seen anyartwork like this, kind of like creepy.

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Yeah, because it's not necessarily justglory. It's like fucking weird,
like real weird, you know,like where you're like, what, well,
I've never seen pictures like this,which really makes me wonder a lot
about um Stephen Goom and what's goingon in his brain and all that good
stuff. Does it say like whenthey were first published? So yeah,

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they were first published in nineteen eightyone. Okay, So however, so
one of the controversies, So nineteeneighty one was the first book, and
another like resurgence for us, Soin eighty four is when book two came
out, and then eight ninety onewas book three. So that would have

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been rife for like me and youwhen we would have been in like sixth
grade. So if there was anew Scary Stories book, So controversy.
This is coming from Wikipedia now itsays this series is listed by the American
Library Association as being the most challengedseries of books from the nineties and the

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seventh most challenged from the two thousands. Complaints have typically been centered on its
violence, disturbing subject matter, andpotential unsuitability for younger readers, as well
as religious concerns. So of course, yeah, so I thought that was
kind of interesting. Which I'm sureyou know, just makes it more exciting,
right of course. I was like, you want kids to read more,

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just ban their books. It's almostartful, that's right. If you
just ignored it, how do youmake them care? Like, there you
go, there's how you do it. Um, so I do think that,
you know, so definitely I havethe books, and I liked having
the books. I will tell youthat through the movie I did take my

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notes at the very end here oflike all the referenced stories in the movie
and what book they came from,Yeah, so that we can kind of
see like how many were from theoriginal and how many were because there were
definitely some from Book three, whichI don't feel like when I look through
and I flipped through it, like, I don't feel I remember these at

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all. So I thought that waskind of wild that the first book is
really vivid, but this one thatwas more published when we were of age
for this, I don't remember asmuch. But I definitely remember that big
toe like and that high beams.I still think of it to this day
now that now that you said,now that you said it, I was
like, I do remember that onetoo. Yeah, So um, well,

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okay, let's get into it.So welcome to fourteen going on forty.
This is Melissa and this is Andrea, and we are two best friends
that met in high school, andwe revisit movies that have been made in
the time we've known each other.For the most part, we break our
own rules once in a while.We have been on major hiatus because the

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winter was not kind at all.Um It's been quite the adventure in both
of our households, and so we'rereally excited to be back this episode.
On today's episode, we're going backto We're going to Mill Valley, Pennsylvania
with some high school kids that gettruly terrified by a book of scary stories

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to tell in the dark. Here'sthe quick IMDb description. On Halloween nineteen
sixty eight, Stella and her twofriends meet a mysterious drifter, Ramone,
and uncover a sinister notebook of stories. So that's simple and to the point.
I definitely feel like there's much tobe desired in that one sentence log,

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right, But you know this cameout, So here's what I did
think was interesting. This came outAugust ninth of twenty nineteen, which I
believe is two months before we launchedthis podcast. Oh crazy, Yeah,
So I remember I wanted to seethis and I was like excited about that,

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but I never got to see itin the theater. This is actually
my first real viewing. Yeah,mine too, I've never I remember seeing
ads for it and going like,oh, that sounds like cool, and
I'll tell you. I'll tell youwhat happened. We started working on this
podcast, and we were watching ashit ton of movies. True, instead
of going to the movie theater iswhat we were doing, right. We

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were watching Days and Confused, Yeah, and The Craft and all those first
episodes. So I did think thatwas wild because when I saw that this
was on Netflix and like kind ofsuggested it, I really had a sinister
thought in my mind of like,this movie is a steaming pile. I

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feel like we started it and wehated it, like me and Drew.
I was like, I swear westarted it and hated it and turned it
off. And I was like,what did I suggest? And I'm like,
while we're all in now. Andthen I came to find out as
I started watching it, that's notthe movie I was thinking of it all.
So I this was a total likeI was like, no, no,
so we have yes, we haveyet to discover that movie. I

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am not sure what the steaming pileof shit is that I was thinking of,
but you know, it's not thisone. Um you know, not
that this is like an Oscar Worthyone, but it's it's not. It's
not a steaming pile spoiler alert.I don't think it is, but we'll
see, all right. So let'sget into the plot here, all right.
So I loved the little tingle ofthe opening song. Oh yeah,

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Season of the Witch. I waslike, awesome, Well at the beginning,
like even before Season of the Witchstarts, they give you that little
bit of the her song like rightbefore the opening credits start, and that
that was like a sensory memory too. I was like, oh, oh
my gosh, that like don't youever laugh when the Hers goes that like
sing song. It's like so amazinghow quick something like that can take you

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right back to when you were akid pouring over those books. I was
like, wow, I haven't thoughtabout that in a really long time.
Um. So the it tells youright away that it takes place in Halloween.
It's nineteen sixty eight in will Valley, Pennsylvania, and I said,
I do like the vibe of theopening. Um, it's like what I

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want in a movie that's going totake place in Halloween. It's you know,
like a lot of pumpkins and fallleaves and like showing the shop windows
being decorated for Halloween. Like Iloved it. I thought the vibe was
really I was like, oh,I like this. Yeah, okay,
okay, I'm I'm here for it. We meet Stella. She's our main

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character. She doesn't want to goout, but her pals use walkie talkies
to convince her to go out trickor treating a Halloween. They're all supposed
to be basically getting too old forthis, right, So even when I
was watching it this time around,I still didn't catch because before we started

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recording, I told Andrea that,you know, I watched it again,
and I'm guessing they must be predriver's license high school. Yeah, I'm
thinking that it's probably like freshman sophomoreyear, like where you're in that kind
of like, well, I stillwant to do it, but I don't
know if I'm like too cool forschool now, even if you are a

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sophomore and slated to turn sixteen Octoberthe school year just started. You wouldn't
have your license yet, right,So yeah, I kind of get the
vibe that. Yeah, And youknow what, that always makes me so
sad because I'm all for high schoolersthat trick or treat. I am too.
I am like, you show upat my doorstep and you want candy

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on Halloween. You're not going outdoing some other stupid shit, Like I
will give you a whole bunch ofcandy. That's fine. I like a
little effort in it, you know, like, you know, don't show
up in a T shirt and jeans. I will still give you the candy,
but I will give you the lookand say you cut up. Put
a little effort in, like itcould have put a cop like a T

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shirt that said this is my costume. I would respect that. My one
year that I true. The onlytime in my life that I ever embraced
the trick part of trick or treatwas I bought I came across I don't
know, I must have been inJewel Wallgreen somewhere. Do you know those
foul ass peanut taffy They're like inthe Orange and Black Rappers, the worst,

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Like they're the worst. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
they're like peanut butter and like solike Haffy. Right, yes, So
inside my big pumpkin full of candy, I had nestled in it a red
solo cop that was full of those. And if a kid came and didn't
have a clever answer, if Iwas like, well, then what's your
costume? Like, if they saidhomicidal madiac, they look like everyone else.

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I know that quote, you're gettingyou're getting real candy. But if
they had no good answer, ohyou know, they got an orange and
a black one of those. Andthat's the only time I ever embraced the
trick part of Halloween. Otherwise Ifully support Listen, you could be thirty
five years old and I'm still givingyou candy. I'm all for it.
Halloween is fun for all in myopinion, and so I do. But

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I also kind of remember being thatit's that weird age where it's like you're
not a kid anymore, but you'renot an adult, and that's what makes
being an adolescent so weird. Andso I think that this is a perfect
it's perfect, you know that,that's the thing. And I also remember
when we were kids now this generationwill never understand this, but like that

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want to have the walkie talkie friend? Did you have that want like you
wished you had like a walkie talkiefriend? Oh? Yeah, I wish
I could have like or somebody wholived next door to me, where I
could have like the telephone with thesolo cup and we could chit chat with
each other from across the way.Yeah. No, I briefly had the
walkie talkie friend. I think Igot in like my easter basket one year.

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They were Barbie. They looked likeold school ginormous cell phones, but
they were walking talkies literally had therange of like nothing. But that was
when I lived in an apartment andthe family on the other side the wall
that we shared a wall with hada little girl that I was friends with,
and so I gave her one andI had one, and we were
gonna be walkie talkie friends. Thisis also in the same era that cordless

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phones could be easily caught interference,and there was multiple times that like suddenly
I was hearing one end of someone'sconversation and it was clearly an adult,
and it kind of scared me offof walkie talkie friends for a while because
it was like, can they hearus when we're like dorky talking. I
was like, this is too weird. Now forget, we're done with walkie

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talkies. We're all we're all set. We're good. We'll we'll just go
knock on each other's doors and liketalk for real. We're all set there.
So anyway, walkie talkie friends thoughtthat was super cute. However,
we do get a scene where oneof the friends, so it's Stella and
her two best friends are both guys. We don't know everybody's name yet,
but one of them is some He'susing a fish shame fish net like for
an aquarium to fish a turret outof the toilet. This was troubling.

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Was just like I was like,what are like like, oh, and
then he like sticks it in abit. I was like, that is
going to stink so bad. Whenhe put it in the paper bag.
I was like, I can guesswhere this is going. Like we've all
seen the flaming pile of shit onthe doorstep or whatever thing, right,

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But in my like knowledge of theworld, always thought it's well, I
always thought it's dog shit. NeverI never had that someone would ever be
putting human shit Okay, right,yes, that's always been. It's been
like dog poop. I was like, that's one of my notes. I

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was like, is he fishing outhuman poops? Like no, you're supposed
to go pick up poops from likeoutside that the dog and it's in water,
Like oh god, I can't.Yeah. There was a new level
of horror for me. Yeah,yeah, that's terrifying. Yeah, that's
really grow so um. In thisopening like sequence where they're kind of paneling

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through like all of the town andstuff, they do show that scarecrow which
will come in later, and myfirst thought and while looking at that scarecrow
is like, is that a deadperson? Like yeah, yeah, um,
because that like I thought scarecrows werelike you know, so here's what's

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wild and like bags. The storythat that comes from, which is called
Harold, which is in book numberthree, I was trying to see if
there was, um like a pictureto go with it. Okay, I
did read the story. It isvery good. I actually ended up looking
up, um what was I didone of those like rancer lists or something,

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one of those websites where it's likerank everything, and there were definitely
people that have a lot of thoughtsover what is the most scary of all
this, like you all three books, like the trilogy, Yeah, what
are the best stories? And Iand Harold always was making like the number
one on the list. So thenI went and read it in book number
three, and they're not wrong.It's a good one. It's really good,

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really well done. This is thepicture. I know you guys can't
see it, but yes, it'svery much brought to life. So everything
in this movie what was super impressiveI felt was every single like monster was
literally these illustrations brought to three D. Like it's uncanny. I'll have to

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take a picture of this and postthis like on our Instagram. But yeah,
uncanny, like absolutely banana pants.I was a little thinking because I
don't remember this, but on thefirst book there's a scarecrow on the first
book, but it's not the Haroldstory. So that's why I was a
little confused. I'm like, Harold, why don't I remember that one?
And it's in book three, that'swhy. So I remember the scarecrow on

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the front of the first book,but that's not the Harold scarecrow. And
yes, I agree the face inthe movie is it looks like leatherface,
like right, like tech Texas chinson scre like yeah, someone so,
But they never really go there withthat, but there's clearly, yeah,

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something's very wrong here. Basically,we see some jocks in a cornfield with
the leather face scarecrow, and Iput, um, that's why haven't we
see some jocks in a cornfield witha leather face scarecrow in the road.
That might be the scariest sentence I'veever written. Some jocks in a cornfield
with a leatherface scarecrow and they callthey call it Harold. So it's definitely

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like, without question, this isthe story we're referencing. So I do
wonder if there's some of those kidsof like the two thousands era that maybe
came across these after the nineteen ninetyone publication of that third book, that
like maybe this was there, likebecause like I felt when we get to
the big toe part that I waslike, yes, like this is the

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one I remember, but Harold,I wasn't quite there, but I was
sufficiently creeped out. Absolutely. Ohyeah, Um, the moms are We're
cut to some different like mom shotsmaking costumes, and it's like, oh,
how we take for granted that backin the day you had to like
hand make your costumes. No storebought back then, or the well the

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store bought were just plastic. WellI don't know even in well, not
even in then the sixty eight probablynot even that girl you and I in
like eighty five got the store boughtplastic. We were My store bought plastic.
Strawberry shortcake, Sam Holograms, I'mwonder woman, cooler than me.

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I think I may have done Sheiraone year too. I definitely had plenty
of that plastic thing in my life, So I did say I love the
outfits. So Augie, one ofthe friends is a puro, which is
like the French mime clown, right, I love it's like a black and
white, yeah, the black andwhite mime clown. And then Chuck told

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his mommy wanted to be Spider Man, and he's really just a man sized
spider but that doesn't even have eightlegs. It's pretty. And then Stella's
costume is pretty rad. She dresseslike a witch and it's all kind of
homegrown, and I love when wesee her like sticking warts on her face
and doing the dark and then thelast thing, she doesn't take a red
lipstick and make it look like herthroats cut. And I was like,

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right, girl, yeah, Ilike this, like you're you're you're spooky.
They're waiting for Tommy, the jockthat we saw in the cornfield to
steal their candy because this has beenan ongoing feud and we know that there's
some payback and there's a turd waitingin a paper bag that is a human
turd. We know it. Tommydoesn't know it yet. Um so he

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I do find this kind of wildthat like he has been able to successfully
steal candy from a car window,like you're just ring your bag waiting for
somebody to drive by. But hedoes. It's fine, it works,
he's um he grabs the candy offand and they's a set up and they

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he throws, they throw a bunchof They throw this bag of shit in
there on fire and it lands inhis lap like it's on fire. I
know. It was like nice shot. Yeah. I was like, that
was an impressive shot by those kids. And then I just them like run
run, like oh run and stayin public. Well, they definitely I

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feel like this was one of thosethings. And this definitely makes me feel
like kid logic Like this, thisexplains why when we try to say that
fifteen and sixteen year olds are solike in these adult situations, I'm looking
at you, euphoria. But yeah, which after this episode we maybe even
need to talk about that for onesecond, but here's now is not the

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time. Um, this is kidlogic, Like yeah, and then we're
gonna I'm gonna take a shit andI'm gonna put it in a bag and
I'm gonna light on fire and I'mgonna throw it in his car and then
we're gonna egget Like okay, thisgoes down and like flames a glory,
like he crashes the car. It'slike, yeah, I could see a
kid being like oh fuck, ohwe could have really got hurt. Yeah,

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like this this was bad. Andso yes, they run. They
go on a chase on foot throughthe drive in and I just wrote in
my notes, I miss the drivein. Hmm, they're all gone from
over here. Really there's one likeway far away but not close by anywhere
over here. It's like were theyI thought that they were trying to reopen
the one that was the Cascade andyeah on North Avenue. I know,

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no, I know, I keptseeing things. The pandemic would have been
the perfect time to reopen it,but it never I know, it never
came to fruition. So the threefriends, I do love this. They
just jump in a dude's car andhope for the best. Um. Clearly
they're not murderingos, right, AndI mean, granted, this guy is

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at the drive in, so it'snot like he's going to be a peeling
out anywhere. He's at the drivingalone. Yeah, and they don't they
don't get it, like they don'tget to assess that he's also a teenager.
It's just right, I don't know, okay. Um, But it
turns out that this is the guythat we saw during the opening credits kind
of rolling through town and is clearlystranger in town, just passing through.

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And he's already kind of been onthe radar of the cops, Like what
he do, I'm just rolling throughtown type of thing. So this is
a ramone, very exotic, thedark stranger. Um. So yeah,
and he told the cops I lovethis. When the cops did ask him,
what are you doing? I'm followingthe harvest and there's no follow up

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to that, Like that was right, that was an okay answer. Yeah,
people do that. I don't knowwhat that means. I'm assuming that
like it's for and I feel likein California this is a very much a
thing. Um, when you're kindof out there, like like workers looking
for workers just kind of stand outlike sometimes and then they come by and

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like pick them up to like workfor the day or or something, so
they follow like basically whatever is beingharvested at that time in the field.
So that I think that that wouldprobably be something like now it's all like
these giant like clearly bands. Idon't know shit about fun when it comes
to harvesting and farming. Okay,So Chuck Is does say why are you

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alone at the drive in? Likenow his his survival instincts given the movie
is Knight of the Living Dead,which is one of my jams. I
do love original black and White.I don't mind the nineties remake, but
again, discussion for another time.Um, the jocks find them and Tommy
calls Ramone a wet back, andI had to look that up. I

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had never heard that slur. Butokay, so that's for like a migrant
worker, because they come back andthey're all like sweaty and they have to
I was like, ah, whatback, and then like they put that
he like vandalizes the car later withit, And I've never heard that slur,
but yeah, I mean the thing. But clearly, even if you

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don't know that that's a racist term, you just know that it's racist just
coming from their mouths. I waslike, oh, yeah, and they're
racist lovely yeah, And I meanTommy was just seems born for it,
yea his character and so he's justyeah, he's just a Yeah. So
Stella ends up like so basically theyget rid of the jocks and Stella gets

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out of the car and we findout that her mom like ran away,
like left her and her dad.So she's being raised by single dad.
And the friends tell Ramone because she'soutside of the car that her mom's they
kind of tell her Ramone the mom'sstory and that and then yeah, she's
definitely not your type. Like they'resuddenly going to best friend mode, like,

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m yeah, we saw her lookingat you all starry eyed, but
no, no, And um,so I did think that that was cute.
There's there's a lot of sweet momentsbetween the three of them. Stella
suggests that it's Halloween, why don'tthey all go see a real haunted house.
So I remember the days when youknow, it was like, let's
go to Bachelor's Grove Cemetery, let'sgo see if we can find resurrection Mary,

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like you do that shit when you'rethis age. So Ramon's down for
it. They go to the houseand it's supposed to be the Bellows family
house. A kid disappeared. Thisis the This is the bits of the
urban legend that we get from themovie. A kid disappeared. They boarded
it up. Our crew of kidsall break in. They had a secret

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daughter they never let leave. Yes, and all pictures of her have been
destroyed. They erased her from everypictures. No one's ever seen a picture
of Sarah. They make this pointa lot in the movie. I feel
like maybe they were going to addsomething, because I don't know that that's
ever that important that there's no pictureof her, right. I don't know

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if they're just like trying to say, like how she is basically just kind
of like a was a ghost alreadyand yeah, or maybe like well or
maybe I guess coming up later,it starts to make a little more sense.
All right, let me come backto that. There's a reason where
it does that kind of make senselater. And then they say that the
kids would come to the house andlisten to her through the walls telling stories.

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Like that's creepy. I mean,could you imagine like, Okay,
um, mom, I'm gonna goout and I'm gonna go listen to this
child that's kept an abasement and justlisten to her tell stories. I mean,
how are they listening through the Likeare they outside the house and listening?

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Are they are the people in thehouse letting these random children? Remember
though, if this is in theeighteen nineties, I mean you were basically
kissing the wife and kids when youwere ten on your way to the factory
to work or whatever the fuck,like you know, I mean, there
wasn't a lot of like children weredisposable, like oh, it's fine,

(31:59):
you're four, go to the storefor me and buy me some tobacco and
a stock corn, like you know, here's some fucking shit to trade.
Like it's like, yeah, it'sonly seven miles down the road. You're
You're fine. You're four, figureit out, Like, I feel like
that's the era. So maybe justgoing to a stranger's house and listening through
the walls to their strange person theyhave locked behind it tell scary stories is

(32:22):
not that crazy. I don't know. Yah eighteen hundreds vibes, who knows.
Yeah. I also was like,so there's a giant lock on the
door, right, and Ramon justlike whips out his lock picking kit and
just starts, well, he breaksthe pen and it is just like dingkdink,
It's fine. That was all weneeded. Well, I mean,
honestly, I think I used tobe sort of obsessed with picking locks.

(32:49):
Yeah I did too, Like fromI would try and do it now.
I thought it was really cool that, like, you know, you have
the locks and the houses where youjust stick the thing in and pops the
yes this lock. Oh well Inever had those. But I lived in
an apartment for so long and Iwas always trying to figure out if,
like our apartment door lock could bepicked because I was always really creeped out

(33:14):
because part of why, to thisvery day, I walk into my house
and the first thing I do isturn around and locked the door. To
this day, right, is becauseafter so many years of living in that
apartment, and like we weren't alwayslike that random people had walked into our
apartment because it was like they eitherdidn't know where they were going, they
went into the wrong apartment. Itwas a kid whatever, And it's like

(33:38):
that is jarring when you're like,oh my god, oh yeah there.
And then as a last ki ninetieskid that you know, now, all
of a sudden, I was cominghome home alone. I was very much
wondering, can someone like pick thelock and be in the apartment when I
get home from school? So thenI would try, like with my library
card. Is that for real?In the movies? Can you pick a

(33:59):
lot? You know? Because wealways did the dead boll we didn't.
I could. I could pick myapartment door if you just lock the doorknob.
I could do it with my librarycard. So I think we'd kind
of be surprised how easy some locksare to pick. I just was listening
to Sinister Hood this morning, andlet me tell you, it was a
rebroadcast and they were talking about thevideos of on YouTube, which, by

(34:22):
the way, I'm never searching andwatching these videos of people showing how easy
it is to break into your hotelroom. And I was like, no,
I'm good, I will put thedoor, the chair in front of
the door and all that shit.But um, I don't think I need
to watch those videos. I don't. I don't think I need to know
that much about it. So maybejust sticking a pen thing in there would

(34:45):
bust this pen open. I don'tknow. But they do make mention that
at the time, kids were dying, being poisoned and being and Sarah was
being blamed as the cause of thatand then hung herself when and it was
kind of like, you know,the town was turning against the family and
turning against her. So Ramone andStella find a hidden door, pick another

(35:08):
lock. Uh looks like a dungeon. So they're like, let's go down
there. Melissa, I you'd bevery proud of me. I have a
numbered list secret passage. I justhave nope next to it, like a
secret passage. No. Number oneit's at night. Number two it's a
creepy house, and number three it'sHalloween. That is the trifecta jitchuer is.

(35:34):
And you don't got a cell phonecamera like a little flashlight. No,
no, mmm, I think I'mshutting that door, and that was
enough scary time for me. Byeyeah yea yeah. So there's like you
know this, they just they dofigure out that they think this is Sarah's
room because it looks like like abedroom where, you know, and there's

(35:58):
like things around, so upstairs thisis like so they split into two and
two. It's Stella and Ramone thatdiscover this, and upstairs, Aggie and
Chuck are wandering around and Chuck istrying to scare Augie, so he hides
in a closet. I think he'sgonna jump scare him, and unfortunately though
he has like a haunted moment whereyou know, the he peeks out and

(36:22):
the room is now a fully litfully decorated. It's very red decorations,
and there's like a strange old Victorianlooking woman and her Doberman staring right at
the closet like, huff, Jesusfucking Christ, that's when you shoot yourself,
and I have a gd doberman issitting there with a ghostie lady.

(36:46):
No the answers, no, getthe fuck out of there. Well,
he shuts the door and hopes forthe best I can relate to this like
I ain't going to outrun a ghost. The best I can do is hide.
I didn't be real quiet, hopefor the best. Um Aggie does
find him and Chuck is ready toGTFO and I put and ye same,

(37:10):
Chuck, same, I'm with you. It's like, let's go. I'm
like, yes, I agree,get out, get out, get out.
Everything is, everything is pointing toget out, like big Red stroll
Blight, like yes, for sure, to leave. But Stella is like,
hey, guys, come see thescary dungeon. So they managed to

(37:32):
light the candles with like a zipbowlighter you know, sixties, and they
find a music box because we needto make it creepier, right than a
candlelit dungeon room and an old timeymusic box, I mean just the music.
Even in the best of lighting andthe best of modern day times,

(37:54):
a music box is still creepy.Yes, I had one as a kid,
and I was like, still kindof a little scared. It's fodder
for melancholy, right, best casescenario, Even if it's not creepy,
if it's like a jaunty tune ina music box, it still seems a
little because now you know what happensyou wind it up right, and then

(38:17):
what happens It slows down, Sothen you're just inevitably listening to a creepy,
slow, old timy tune. It'slike when people sing happy Birthdays slow,
it's not happy birthday, it's afuneral march when like happy birthday too,

(38:39):
and you're like, oh my god, is this a party? Are
we eating cupcakes? Or are wegetting into my coocket? Yap it snap
it yes, yes, yeah,keep it scappy, picked it up,
Like I'm always the asshole that's likehappy birthday to you, Like I'm trying
to speed everybody up because I justcan't. It just seems very funeralists to

(39:01):
me. Like, so, anyway, they are down there, the music
box plays the worms crawl in theworms crawl out situation. And if you
don't know what that is, becauseyou're young in listening to this, you
got work to do. You needto go figure it out, because I

(39:21):
definitely used to always sing the wormscrawl and the worms crawl out, the
worms to play pinochle, and yoursnout, yeah, and your snout.
They eat your eyes, they eatyour oes, they eat the jelly between
your toes. Naturally, if youdon't know all of that. You're in
the wrong place. You got tofigure it out. So they find the
Book of Scary Stories. And Ido think that this was cool in that
if you were going to make thisinto a movie and it wasn't going to

(39:45):
be like the you know, likeFour short Tails or something, you like,
if it wasn't going to be that, this is a great way to
do that, where it's like you'retaking some kids. They find the book,
and that's how you're going to getus there, you know. I
like, I thought this was okay. I was okay with it. The
door slam shut, And what couldpossibly be scarier than a haunted is that

(40:08):
Tommy's there with his asshole, adrenalinejacked jock friends that are covered in burning
shit funk and rotten eggs that havebeen thrown at them. And they're mad,
uh huh. And they're like sixtiesmad, which I think might might
be a level of like bully andmad that you need to really be worried

(40:30):
about. He has a baseball bat. Yeah, it's comicidal mad. Yeah.
Yeah. Turns out Chuck's older sisteris on a date with this psychopath.
She doesn't seem very happy though thatit's not exactly what she's expecting it
to be, and he's there.He slams the door. He shoves Ruth
down there when she's like, hey, that's my little brother, and he's

(40:52):
like, oh okay, fine,shoves her right down to the dungeon room
too and locks them all in.Which what a delightful chip he's is proving
himself to be. So Stella decidesthis is a great time to tempt the
universe and say, Sarah Bellows,tell me a story, and literally tell
me a story. Calls upon theghost like she's got it, Like she

(41:16):
might as well whip a fucking Wuijiboard out of her trick or treat bag,
Like what are you doing? No, not today, not while you're
locked in and you've hit off likeyour friends have told you some Well didn't
they even tell her the like thecreepy shit that was going on. Well,
Chuck is spouting off and nobody believeshim. I mean, he does

(41:36):
sound like a moron. However,we know he's the only one that understands
that he needs to get out.Yea. So of course shit goes down
and Stella takes the book. Theydo rush out of there, they get
out, it's it's bad. Um. Well, the basement door unlocks and
Tommy's gone and they get out.She takes the book up, but Moan's

(42:00):
car is the brunt of Tommy's aggression, understandably in some ways. I mean
his car was trash. That wasa pretty big payback, Like, yeah,
they went, they went big,and unfortunately the poor dude that is
really just a bystander has his carright now. So Stilla offers her sofa

(42:21):
and it's like, well, I'mgoing to sneak you into the sofa in
the basement and then you got toleave before my dad gets home, but
you can stay the night to goget your car repaired tomorrow. Yeah.
Again, her Murderino vibes non existent. I know, I was like,
okay, this guy we literally justmet tonight. I mean, Ramone turns
out to be okay. But thenI put she sends Ramone to the basement

(42:43):
so she can read the motherfucking bookalone, And I just wrote dude at
the bottom of my hold. Soit's like, oh my, wouldn't you
at least make him be like,let's look at this together. Now she
wants to read it alone. CreepySo she's flipping through the pages and we

(43:05):
see the title Harold. Now again, at this point I knew because they
had called the Scarecrow Harold. Icouldn't remember this story, so I didn't
know what was going to come withit. And the titles in red ink
and she goes to wipe it awayand it's wet, and that's kind of
creepy, Like, okay, thisis sinister, right, And the rumor
had been that the book was writtenin children's blood, that they had been

(43:29):
poisoning you know. So um,remember that crazy ass scarecrow he's in the
pages. This does not look goodfor Tommy. No, that doesn't look
good for I mean, you know, I mean when you're walking through like
magically cursed corn in the middle ofthe night on Halloween, I mean it's

(43:51):
bad. Like he's he's he's wandering. I mean, cornfields are creepy just
in general. It's very quiet inthose. I don't know if they've ever
been in a corn maze, likeit's cornfields are the febee. They're terrifying.
First of all at night when thecorn is dry. The way it

(44:13):
sounds when it's moving is the stuffof all your nightmares. And very easy
to get lost in the rows,just go on and on and on.
Are you in the same row?Did you move over? Rows? Am
I going back the way I came? Or am I going in a different
direction? No one knows because thecorn is taller than you and I'm not

(44:34):
a short person, and it's stilltaller than me. So I'm like,
yeah, at best. But Tommygrew up on this farm, so to
him, it's not he comes homehe's drunk. But Mom says, you're
we're supposed to deliver these eggs,Like clearly, they're a farming family,
and so she's like, do itnow, And I was like, um,
dude, your kid came home drunkand you're tell him to get right

(44:55):
back behind the wheel of his car. Cool Mom, Okay, sixties uh
And so um, Harold's out there, so I do have a numbered list
coming up. Tommy passes Harold andtells him to eat shit because you know
he likes to take out, whichI will say this, Tommy's an asshole,

(45:17):
Tommy's racist. Tommy's one of thosebully jocks that is typically in one
of these movies. However, ifhe's gonna take his aggressions out on something.
The scarecrow in the cornfield is notthe worst choice, Like I kind
of support maybe some of that mentalhealth satisfying behavior. Um. Unfortunately we

(45:42):
know this doesn't look good for Tommy. Um. He keeps going and he's
walking. He walks, passes Haroldagain and he's like, that doesn't seem
right. I already passed Harold,right, that's work. I just want
to circle. But he's drunk,so he's like, okay, let me
keep going. And now he getsback to Harold's spot. But the post

(46:04):
is there and Harold's not there.Oh okay. Now Harold's chasing Tommy through
the corn and here goes my numberlist. Number one, fuck cornfields in
the dark. Just no. Numbertwo. Harold has a hole in his
torso, like in death becomes herand I'm just trying to figure out what

(46:30):
am I looking at here? Thisis bananas like it's it's it's very creepy.
And number three, luckily he findsa handy pitchfork. Tommy does then
I put or not. Harold managesto stab Tommy and it's it's just like

(46:52):
Tommy goes right for the hole inthe center of Harold's always go for the
head, dude, the head theHeso you think, yes, do you
think that put punching more holes inthe center of his holy torso is really
going to affect him much? No, Tommy's not bright, that's that's not

(47:13):
the case. Um. So Tommyis starting to fill up with straw from
the inside, and we know thathis fate is sealed. He's trying to
scream for his mom and we knowhe's going to become a scarecrow. That's
that's how Harold got such a humanface, because that shit's fucking haunted.

(47:34):
Okay, So the next morning,Ramon's at the mechanic and he gets approached
by the cop and um, hegets questioned about Tommy missing. Have you
seen this guy? Have you seenthis kid? You know? Um,
you better stick around town because andwhich in a small town. Sure,
maybe strange shows up, someone goesmissing, Okay, and then also has

(47:55):
a vandalized car like maybe there wasa fight. Don't don't go anywhere.
At school, Stella tells her palsthe whole herald story that like it was
writing itself, it said Tommy inthe pages. Now Tommy's missing. Yeah,
we're screwed. Chuck tries to tellthem about the Red Room and the

(48:15):
Doberman and the Ghostie Lady, andthey're just nah, she Augie shuts it
all down. But why is nobodylistening to him? Well, here's the
thing, Andrea, I mean,he's going to the rails a little bit.
I mean he's like, Chuck isa jokester. I could see being
Aggie and shutting that ship down,Like shut the fuck up, Chuck,
like you're an idiot. I meanthat's I kind of get where Aggie's at.

(48:39):
So I don't know. So Stellaand Ramone head to the cornfield.
It is daytime, and I'll givethem credit for that, and they see
the scarecrow and it's wearing Tommy's lettermanjacket, and so Stella is like,
well, I told you that's what'sgoing on here. Ramone, It's like,

(49:00):
it's just a scarecrow, and Iput the fuck are you looking at
it? Are you looking at it? Because it's got a human skin face.
Yeah, it's not a normal scarecrow. Scarecrow looks like in the Wizard
of Oz. Yes, yeah,like I've seen him with like the burlap
sap sac like face. You know. I mean that he's one of the

(49:21):
Batman movies. I'll take that,but this ship is Texas chainsaw maskro shit.
So Stella returns the book to thehouse. I can follow this logic.
I'm gonna put it back. Yeah, we're gonna I'm gonna set it
right back on the shelf where itgoes all set well. She brings the

(49:42):
book back to the house and dadis packing up his truck for work and
he heard that the you know,Millner boy didn't come home, so please
come straight home the next few days, and they kind of have a conversation
that basically Sarah in sixty eight orI'm sorry. Stella is a latch key
kid like her single dad is workingand she comes home a lot on her

(50:04):
own, and he's saying, youknow, please, I'm going to be
working a lot. I can't sayno to the extra hours. I'm straight
home, so I know you're okay. Cut to Ruth. Ruth, Chuck's
older sister has a ZiT. Chuckgives her some shit about it, and

(50:24):
she's like it's a spider bite becauseshe wasn't auted haunted house with a lot
of cobwebs and shit. So okay, So just you know, keep that
in mind. Yeah. Ramone showsback up at Stella's and she makes dinner
and in her room, Ramone isthumbing through the creepy book and she's like,

(50:45):
well, wait a minute, wheredid you get that? And he's
like it was on the shelf thewhole time, and she's like, no,
no, no, no, no, I brought it back to the
house. So now she knows againthey're screwed. Like she opened up a
can of worms. Literally back toour her song, the worms calling worms
call out, well, yeah,these worms are out face back in the

(51:06):
tube. No no. So canwe take a second, though, to
talk about the pan and scan ofSarah's room. I'm sorry Stella's room.
Sarah is coming up, Sarah Bellowskeeps us see this Sarah Stella thing is
hard for me. Stella's room.I love it. All of her old

(51:29):
timy horror movie posters and she hasa horror or junkie I love about it.
Um, it's great, That's whatI have to say. I can't
disagree. I love it, loveit, love it. So she opens
she freaks out, opens the bookand here goes the big toe being written

(51:52):
in writing, and I yes,no, here's the story that I remember,
right, So the story's writing self, and news flash, Aggie doesn't
look good for you. He's namedNow this is what I did think was
sort of strange. So Aggie,they're trying to call him Aggie. The

(52:14):
book is writing about you. Yournext this is not good. Tommy was
the scarecrow. And Aggie is againlike, shut this sounds stupid. And
Aggie's parents went out of town andleft him home alone, and he's like,
well, the least you could havedone was left some food in the
fridge. And he looks in thereand there's this red spot and he's like,
forget it, I'll just eat thisstew. So now we know where

(52:35):
we're going with this big toe.Aggie takes the lid off the pot and
goes at that stew ice cold,right, like, wouldn't you be heating
it on the stove? For Iwouldn't. I can't like even my chili,
which is amazing. I am notgoing in with a spoon and eating
a cold It's gotta be here up. Oh, it was that right,

(53:00):
and maybe that was on purpose.I was like, you're eating like suspect
stew that you think your mom madeand left in the fridge cold from the
pot straight out the gate. Butokay, I mean that's only reserved for
like pizza, like true cold pizza. Could pizza can do that, not
like cold stew. It's like becausethat has a lot of fat in it.

(53:27):
I just said everything about it's notokay. It's not okay. That's
where I'm at, Like, Imean, ever open up your chili and
it's been in the fridge and it'sgot the nice like orange layer of like
hardened fat on the top. Youdon't want to you mouth feel smell.
I just it's not appetizing. Soum, they're basically telling him they see

(53:51):
the story, writing it out,and they're like, Aggie, like it's
this is gonna happen, Like,don't eat the stew. You're gonna you're
You're gonna hear a voice asking fora toe. Well he eats the toe,
and we hear the wares who tookmy toe? Who took my toe?
Who took my toe? There's acorpse who took my toe? And
the corpse is in the house.And I put that she is straight from

(54:15):
the illustrations. So I was veryimpressed with this Ghostie corpse walking through,
So this is not from the BigToe story. So the Big Toe story
is the little boy that's like diggingin the garden, and it's not this
corpse. So what they did isthey kind of took Oh, where's her

(54:37):
face? I should have put postits in this book so that I could
find everything. But like as soonas I saw her, I recognize her
immediately. It's her, right,Yeah, it's her. So she who
is? Actually the corpse that's walkingthrough is from the story the Haunted House,
and it is very clearly this isthe inspiration for that. Let's walk

(55:00):
it through looking for her toe.Um, I thought it was really good,
Like I was like, holy shit. Oh, so Ramone and Stella
start leave to start running over toAggie's house, but it's Aggie hides under
the bed, but the corpse getsthem. Why, like, why are
you not running out of that?How so why are you not putting things

(55:21):
in front of this book in thehallway? I mean, this is ghost
sandreal. You can't. They're gonnaget you. They're gonna get you.
So Stella and Ramone the next morningare at the drive in. It's you
know, it's they're the only onesthere that's their meeting spot, and um
Stella is blaming herself, like,oh my gosh, I took the book.

(55:44):
This is what's happening Aggie's and she'slike, Aggie's dead, He's gone,
and Chuck is like what. Ruthand Chuck show up and they tell
them about Aggie and Ruth is like, this is you. You all are
fucking stupid. I'm out of hereright, this is yeah, this is
kid babyshit. I'm going And theytry to burn the book but the book

(56:06):
won't burn. Yeah, and Ilove I love what romanos it's not your
fault and I was like, actually, it totally is your fault. You're
the one who asked for a fuckingstory. Yeah, well it's your fault.
Yeah. So they decide that they'regoing to do some research on Sarah
Bellows and they go to the libraryto look at microfiche. M So,

(56:30):
Dave and I had this discussion.He's like, isn't that my He's like,
oh, it's microfilm. I waslike, no, no, no,
that's microfiche. And he's like,what's the difference. Aren't they the
same thing? I was like,ah, I was like, micro film
comes in like a roll of filmand you have to feed it in the
machine. That way microfiche comes inlike acetate sheets. Hence, you know

(56:51):
my issue. When I wrote this, I purposely didn't google. I was
like, how do you spell that? I just I have M, I
C R O. And then Iwas like, is it pihe? I
did it? FI? She isthat? How you spell it? I
don't, girl, I don't know. We're gonna have to figure that out.

(57:12):
So anyway, we're old enough toremember that it exists, and we
have both used it before. Huh. However, I don't have the slightest
fucking clue how you spell it.Turns out the Bellows family had fired a
housekeeper after Sarah hung because they thoughtthat she taught her voodoo or black magic

(57:36):
is what the newspaper stories kind ofcovered and um. But then after this
happens and Sarah hangs herself, therest of the family disappears as well.
Right Ramone finds a story that thefather disappeared but never sold off like the
paper MILLI owned, Like, whydidn't you get like why wouldn't there be
more news about such a rich family, you know, And the name of

(58:00):
the dad is d O Dat deod T. I guess they really needed
one of these very recognizable old timynames because Stella is going to make a
connection that she's seen this name before. Yeah, so Stella recognizes the names
of all the family members that arebeing mentioned. They're all in the book

(58:20):
in different stories, and it ispretty cool, Like, as she's flipping
through the books I didn't recognize someof the titles she flips past. I
don't remember all the stories, butI remembered like the Weendigo, and like
as she's flipping through that they don'tthey're not in the movie as um like
you know totally, but just theirtitles are and I do remember that,
but I don't remember all the storiesthat go with them. So basically another

(58:46):
story starts writing itself and the titleis The Red Spot. Well, Chuck
was, for whatever reason eating.First of all, I have to believe
that in nineteen sixty eight, anylibrarian worth their salt that would have given
these kids this micro fiche would neverhave let Chuck in there with some French
fries and ketchup. But right hemanaged to spill ketchup all over his shirt

(59:12):
and he thinks that's the red Spot, Like he's rest not bad logic.
It turns out well, I put, Oh, it's actually Ruth. She's
getting ready to be in the musicalthat night and the ZiT is bigger,
And I wrote, Andrea, whatare your thoughts on how it looked?

(59:36):
Like? I kind of felt likeI was cystic acne triggered when they did
the close up of it, like, I was like, oh, I've
been there. I was like,it looks like it feels hot. They
did good, I felt, Idon't know, but I was wondering what
your opinion was. No, I'mnot clearly sufficiently disgusting, like I was

(59:57):
like, so because I know what'sin there. As soon as I saw
that, I was like, Ijust have damn it, spiders. It's
spiders. That's that's I know.I know it's spiders. I'm gonna I
think there was a story. Ithink I remember one of these stories in
here about this very situation, andit's scarring me. Yeah, because I'm
to have a fear of spiders.So the Red Spot is one of the

(01:00:21):
stories, and it's from book numberthree, so I knew that that's kind
of where it was going. Butbefore we see it in the movie,
I was super triggered because it waslike the fake basically at that point,
it's like a boil or assist thatthey had made for her. I mean,
I've had those, yeah, andI've had them taken a scalpel too

(01:00:43):
in the doctor's office, you know, and one of a doctor telling me
that the one that she was takinga scalpel too was because it was in
the death zone that if it burstinward, it would have potentially gone into
my brain and killed me. AndI was like, cool, well,
now that you just took a knifeto my face and I have a huge
scar from it, that's cool.Uh, this is great. It also
hurts terribly, And so it wasI thought that they did it very realistic,

(01:01:07):
like sisteric Ackney job. I wasI wonder, I wonder what andreas
thinking right now. Of like,I was more I was more concentrating on
the fact that I know where thisis going and it's going to I was
just like, I have like somany notes that says, you know,
damn it, if Spider's crawl outof her face, I'm done. Yeah,
I'm done. And then I saidand then it was just like basically

(01:01:29):
like f this movie, like itwas pretty cool that, like it looked
like a hair came out of itand it turned like I was like,
okay, then a million spiders comeout now my face, I know,
I know. So um our friendCrew finds her in the bathroom and Chuck

(01:01:50):
is a great brother. Ruth haslost it gratefully. Yes, there's spider's
claws all over her body. She'strying to fling them off further everywhere she's
she's screaming like she just saw inthe mirror all these spiders hatch out of
her face. So they take Ruthieaway on a stretcher and he is just
such a great like brother to herin this scene. I did think that

(01:02:10):
that was really sweet, like yeah, like you're gonna be okay, You're
okay, I'm here, I'm here. And Stilla saw a creepy figure like
shadowy in the mirrors of the bathroomand she's like, we're haunted people.
Uhhh, it's Sarah Bellows. She'sfollowing us. This is real. So
they go to find So. Ithought it was really weird like Chucks like

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wording in this when he talks abouthis sister and like he's like Augie's you
know, and then he goes,my sister's gone, and I was like,
at that point, I was like, is she did or did she
just go craz Like I was veryconfused, Like I was like, because
they you see her and she's notlike covered, like she's still alive.
But he's like, my sister it'sgone. I was like, I mean,

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it's just I thought it was reallyweird ding. I was like,
Okay, she's gonna need some therapy. I wonder if it's kind of on
purpose, like maybe we were supposedto wonder if like she isn't gonna make
it, or she is gonna makeit, we don't know, or when
he says she's gone, like she'smentally like she's never gonna be her again.
So it's like, I wonder ifthat's almost on purpose to make us

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wonder, like the faith of hercharacter that was weird wording. So they
go to find Lulu, which wasthe housekeeper that got fired. It would
have been her little girl daughter thatwas also living in the Bellows mansion at
the time when all this was happening. So they're at Lulu's house. She's
blind and she has the same musicbox, and so they start the tune

(01:03:45):
and she starts singing. She saysyou maybe next, and Sella's like wait,
what, like that's the name ofthe song, like you maybe next?
When the hearse goes don't you everlaugh when the hearse goes by?
And so Lulu gave Sarah Bellows thebook because she felt so sorry for her

(01:04:05):
that this family locked her in thebasement, and so she gave her this
like notebook to write stories in,and basically she reveals that Sarah hung herself
at the hospital, not in thehouse. Yeah. So and then it's
kind of like this old lady,you know, her granddaughter's living with her

(01:04:29):
and kind of kicks the kids out, like year, upsetting her like get
up right. So they're like,okay, what can we do next.
Let's go to the hospital and lookup records. If she hung herself at
the hospital, there's got to besome record of her there, which is
not bad logic. And I atthis point I put I sort of love
every time there's like a transition scene, we're hearing this like very like Wolfman
Jack Radio DJ in like all thetransitions. I like that I thought his

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like DJ voice, and like I'mkind of putting you back in that time
when you know, Nixon got electedand like Vietnam is happening, and you
know it was it was very interesting. So they make up a story about
having to find some paperwork for aschool project and the old the one of
the doctors behind the desk says,the old files are in the red room.

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Well, this triggers Chuck im inthe red room, the Red Room.
I didn't have him nightmares about theRed Room. The Red Room was
in the Ghostie House. This isnot good. Red room is not good.
Yeah, uh huh. I meanChuck's basically saying everything that we're thinking
at this point, because I mean, yes, you're like, yeah,
that's not a good sign. Sothey end up having to sneak in because

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they get shut down, and theymanaged to sneak in, and um,
first of all, I was kindof laughing because they go and they get
past the first barrier into the hospitalhallways, and my first thought was,
hospitals are a g D labyrinth.You might as well be in the on
field because they're very hard to likenavigate and figure it out. But handy

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thing is right on the sign.It's records and Evaluation department is red is
the initials. That's the red room, So that's where they're gonna head.
Chuck pulls a hell no, itwas like I'm out where I'm done.
I'm not doing that. But asmuch as like I wouldn't want to,

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like I mean again, giant redflags being waved in front of your face,
I don't think i'd want to beby myself. Well, he does
try to just like leave, likenot quite back the way they came,
but like there's a door to getout, I'm going out, And he
goes right out onto a balcony whereall the hospital workers are like having their
break and they'll excuse me, anddo you know where you're going? Do

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you need help? And he's justlike oh shit, oh shit, oh
shit, and he panics. Sonow the staff members are like, ooh,
that could be a patient. Couldyou could you be any more suspicious?
You could have just been like Ithink I took a wrong turn,
because that would be unbelievably believable.Well, here's the thing believable, but

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that would be very believable in likea weird like this is a labyrinth of
I must sure to walk through awrong door, Like how do I get
to the front. However, weknow Chuck's in a hot panic. I
mean he just saw spiders come outof his sister's face, true, and
he knows Red Room cannot mean anythinggood because he's been having the nightmares about

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the Red Room, Like he feelslike it's like the for whom the bell
tolls, like he feels like bloomingin. So he's acting a little nuts.
I can give him that. UmSo, Stilla and Ramone are now
in a horror movie like it goesthe realm of remember and disturbing behavior.
When it was like, let's goto this fully functioning asylum and it suddenly

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looks like I'm on the set ofan abandoned hospital. That's all of a
sudden. The hallway they're in,they're like in the like spooky, which
the hospital was like a current hospital. So they're just right unless some like
wing where they used to use itnow isn't. But I mean there's a
creepy old wheelchair in the hallway.Yeah, they got all that going on,

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which, okay, fine, Sothey find a box of stuff labeled
the Bellows family, And so here'swhere we come back to why they just
emphasized so hard that there was nopicture of her. It was in the
records that she was albino, andwe know now in current times that it's

(01:08:45):
not something she should have been lockedup for. But they they like were
ashamed of her, yes, basically, and her brother turns out was the
doctor that committed her to this hospitaland she was tortured, and they find

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this wax cylinder and Ramone happens toknow that that was used for recording.
Now that again, for those ofyou out there that don't have any concept
of some of these times, that'swell before me and Andrea's time. I
don't know anything about no wax cylinderrecordings. Well, I mean when he
knew that, I was like,go Ramone, because I've never seen such

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a thing. The recording tells usthat Sarah knew that there was mercury from
the mill poisoning the water, whichis what was killing the kids in town,
and she kept questioning it and theykept wanting to shut her up.
And that's really what was going onhere. So in this hoarding that they're

(01:10:00):
listening to and they're like, okay, we're finally figuring out. All of
a sudden, Sarah's voice starts tellingthe story of the Red Room. So
now we know her ghost is officially, like even though they don't have the
book in front of them, withthe pages writing she's we have fully transitioned
into the next story that was Ithought that that was a good device to

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you. Yeah, I like,and then have her and with her voice
telling the story and then they realizethat that is the story that is being
told. Yeah, Chuck, Iknow. So Chuck's running around like a
crazy person. The hospital staff soundsthe alarm, and the fat lady that
comes after him that he said he'sbeen having nightmares about is also from the

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illustrations. But I have to flipthrough these books to find her. But
she looked exactly like these other onesthat gave examples of come to life.
You know. It just it waswild to me, how good all of
these what is the word I'm lookingfor, Like I don't know if it's
like CGI or whatever, Like howgood it all was, Like it was
so cool. I would imagine that, like, you know, the illustrator

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would maybe be pretty proud of whatthey did to make these drawings like literally
come to life on the big screen. It was really neat. So Stella
calls her dad at the police stationbecause oh, I'm sorry. So the
fat lady is another illustration. Thisis super scary, and he gets sucked
into the family. He gets likeconsumed by and it's very creepy. Yeah,

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it's it's bad. So Stella andRamone get out of the hospital.
They know Chuck's pretty much he's agoner, and they've been arrested. They're
at the police station and she callsher dad and says, if I go
missing, I didn't leave you,because she doesn't want him to think,
yeah, she ran away like thewife to terrifying thing like Jesus Christ ever

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called me and says that I'm sorry. Why don't you just, you know,
send me a letter telling me whento show up to check into the
Looney Tunes right like, because I'mofficially going to go back. Shit crazy
if you say, if I evergo missing, I didn't leave you.
What what's happening, Audrey? Areyou all right? I need to know

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more after that statement? Okay,um, what you're trying to say for
real? Girl? Because now momwas worried and Stella's dad's worried for sure.
It's very heartbreaking. And the copcalls Ramone a draft dodger, and
now we know kind of where thecop. Like I thought the cop was

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going to come out to be likethe racist situation, but I think it
was more he was like, hm, the draft is going you look like
you're the right age, and soI was like, oh, okay.
So the two kids are up.Ramon's in the next story, so it's
his turn. So I do rememberthis one because it's from the first book,

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the Me Tie Doughte Walker, andthat's the body parts that are falling
from the fireplace in the first book. So this visual I know, this
is a combo story. The JanglyMan is in book number one and as
so is the Me Tie Doughtie Walkerstory. But there are two stories that

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they sort of combine, so you'reseeing elements from both, but they're both
from the first book. So whathappens is Ramone says, oh my god,
the Jangly Man's coming. Like mymy family used to tell this story
to scare the kids. And what'svery interesting, so we see this crazy

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backward it's like the girl from theRing. Yeah, the contortion Well,
this is a real contortionist from America'sgot talent. The only thing CGI is
they cgi the face to be facingthe right way, but he's doing it
the whole time, like he's reallymoving his body that way. They had

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creeps me out to no end,Like every time I see that, it's
just such an assault on my eyeballsthat I'm like, Oh. I was
like that I shouldn't be able tofind struggle now with contortionists more than I
ever have before because, as youknow, all of my knee dislocations.
So when I started to try tofigure out after I finally got like diagnosed

(01:14:39):
with the repeating dislocating patella and thennot like either never having an ACL or
potentially my acls have been gone fora very long time and reabsorbed, I
started doing research on the internet,and I started researching like the surgery that
I was going to have to have, and turns out hypermobility, which I

(01:15:03):
have, which is why all ofmy stuff bends a lot more than some
most people's. Mine is not nearlythe extraordinary extreme. I ran into some
YouTube some situations where it looks Ialways joke that I'm made of rubber bands

(01:15:24):
and spaghetti noodles. There are peoplewhere I question whether there's any solid bone
at all on some of the shipthat I was like, and and now
when I see a contortionist, it'slike that comes in. It's like I
can't like, it's very it's moreuncomfortable than it even used to be,
where I'm like, oh, thingsare gonna pop. Things are gonna pop,
and they're not gonna come back right, Like no, Yeah, it's

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hard to watch. So when Iwas reading the trivia for the movie and
I was like, wait, justa minute, that's a real And I've
never gone back and looked at theAmerica's Got Talent clip, but apparently that
is an actual person moving his bodylike that from America that was on America's
Got Talent Wild. Oh he's yellingthe word coward at Ramona that he's and

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he was called, like, youknow, a coward for draft dodging.
Both of the kids do get outand get away from the jangly Man to
run. The jangly Man is chasingroom. The chief, though bites it.
The police chief doesn't make it outthe jangly Man gets him. They
decide that their best case scenario isto actually split up. Stella will go

(01:16:30):
to the house and tell the ghostSarah that she will tell the truth about
her story, that they figured itout, and I'm gonna I'm gonna get
this ghost to back off. AndRamone she wants him to come with,
but he is really smart and sayslike, no, I need to get
this jangly Man to chase me sohe doesn't follow you, so you can

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get this done. So pretty smart. They at the house, Sarah is
you know, can you hear me? You've got to stop telling these stories.
You're hurting people. So Stella isnow in a haunted house situation and

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Ramone runs in and the book isnow writing another story like the Haunted House,
Yeah, which is Stella. Sothe jangler Man still after him and
Ramone is a real trooper. Iwrote in my notes this guy was just
trying to fucking pass through town,I know, and he got caught up
in some real shit. And Ithink it's like he's doing all. I

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mean, he has some impressive drivingskills, Like he ends up pinning the
jangly Man against it was like atruck, right or something like they come
in like there's a crash, andthen you know, he starts to like
fall apart. And my first thingwas like take those pieces and chuck them

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in every single direction, so ittakes him longer to get together. Well
I think, you know, maybehe didn't think he would come. I
don't know, but all I knowis, I mean your saw him fall
down, like the true it's afireplace or whatever? Was Where did he
fall down the first time? Wherewas he was? He was there a
fireplace in the police station? Whereis he falling from the chimney of something

(01:18:21):
something? It is like, yeah, coming down through the I think it
was a fireplace or something, orlike a yeah, I don't kind of
weird. I have to go backand actually rewatch that part. But it
was because in the book that metied Ot Walker, it is like the
picture in it is or no,what do you come for? It's this

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It's like a fireplace with feet hangingdown. Yeah, like the body parts,
I'll start falling to the fireplace.So now I thought this was really
kind of cool. So Stella's storyis happening, And what's happening is he
is now she's in the past andshe is Sarah and she's living in like

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a ghost story in the haunted house. Simultaneously, in current time, Ramone
is running around in the haunted housefrom the jangly Man, so she can
kind of hear Stella yelling for helpand he's trying to like he doesn't he's
trying to figure out, like she'sgoing to figure it out or something like.
They are in they're both in thehouse, but they can't get to

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each other because they're in two differentscenarios, and I thought that was kind
of neat. And basically, theBellows family looks her in the basement and
Stella doesn't have her glasses. Theyget thrown off of her and Sarah the
ghost Sarah appears. Stella tells herright off. She's like, you are

(01:19:54):
the monster they made you out tobe. Wow, girl, you suck
right like you're you started out wantingto help people and now you're just right
to train them and they're doing theexact same thing, which I thought was
a very smart move. I do. I thought it was cool, and
because like they said that um backwhen she was at the like the Lulu's

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house, and they were like,what did you teach her black magic or
something, and she's like, no, there was never any magic. She
was just full of rage. She'sjust rage, And so we like that,
like, that's kind of how thisis. It's that she was murdered
and full of rage. So um, Sarah promises to tell Sarah's real,

(01:20:41):
true story and tell it as meantto as many people as she can if
she would stop this madness. SoSarah gives her a pen and says,
use your blood and write it inthe book and then I'll believe you.
And so, like a fucking ghost, wood is what I wrote my nose.
Yeah, that's exactly what a fuckingghost would say too, is okay,

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fine, take this pen, stabit into your vein and write that
ship in blood. And now werein a contract, girl, back your
shit up. You can promise meto tell my story. Oh okay,
yeah, I was like, well, like a ghost really fucking would,
wouldn't they. So Sarah disappears andRamon's jangly man disappears, and Sarah and

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Ramone survive and I put but gottabe traumatized as fuck? Uh huh,
real bad, and Stella does sharethe story. Ramone gets drafted and Ruthie
survived. It is suddenly brought upthat Ruthie did survive, and Stella wants

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to find a way to use thebook to bring Chuck and Aggie back one
day. Yeah, which I don'tknow if that is opening us up to
like the potential for a sequel.Yeah, I don't know. I was
very like, I mean, ormaybe it's just supposed to be like they're

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not they're gone, but they're notgone forever kind of thing. They're not
dead, they're just trapped in thebook somehow. Or now when Sarah it's
not Sarah. When Stella is runningaround the house, one of was it
one of the like brothers or thedad is also named Harold, right,

(01:22:29):
And that's where I was like asHarold and I heard I remember seeing like
there was somebody named Harold, likethey were saying, oh, Harold or
whatever, and I was like Haroldas in Harold that became the scarecrow.
Maybe I don't know, I didn'treally catch that. That's interesting. I'm

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not sure, but it was whenshe was running through it was when she
was when Stella was as Sarah.Somebody said something like, hey, Harold,
come here or something, and Iwas like, Harold, it seems
a little too coincidental to be notdeliberate, you know, Like I feel
like that was a very deliberate choiceto make looking to see that there is

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because I, like I said,when I was looking at it, so
nobody mentions it in the trivia,that'd be very interesting to look. Um
yeah, very interesting to see.I didn't. I didn't notice that,
so I don't know. Maybe maybethat is the origin of like Harold,
So I um did write down thatbasically the stories featured from the Scary Stories

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trilogy. Very interestingly, I don'thave any from the second book that were
featured so number so Harold was frombook three, The Big Toe was book
one, the Red Spot was bookthree. The Dream coupled with the Pale
Lady, which is I believe theFat Lady is from bookrey, the Jangly

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Man and me Ti dote Walker combined, we're both from book one. And
the Haunted House, which is whatStella's story ends up being, is also
from book one. So no realum not a whole lot from book two.
So if I look at book two'sum like titles, I will say,

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like, I don't totally remember these, but I kind of remember one
called Wonderful Sausage, so I sortof remember that one, and I do
wonder if like some of the illustration. I kind of remember some of the
illustrations in this book, but Ijust I have to reread these, like,

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I don't know. Book two justwasn't really featured, and I wonder
why, like what might have beenin there, you know, I mean,
these these illustrations are just out ofcontrol. They're so creepy. Yeah,
wonderful sausage. I remember this becausethere's like the hand with the meatball
on a fork. Oh, Ido remember that, like, but I

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don't remember the story really. Imean, there's some pretty vivid, vivid
imagery I do remember. I feellike the imagery of the like fat lady.
Like I do remember that kind ofpicture from the BC. She was
in book three. So let's seeif I can find her. She is
the pale lady. Let's see ifI can show you the picture or it's

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just wild. I mean this Ihave to say. So overall, what
would you say is your hot takeon this movie? I thought it was
pretty good. It was better thanI was expecting it to be. Dave
watched it with me, and heenjoyed it too. And I don't think
he ever read any of the thebooks. It doesn't seem like that would

(01:25:59):
have been his cup of tea.Yeah, when I mean he watches scary
movies because I make him, notsure, he's like entertained by them.
Um, but he liked it,and I think I really liked that it
wasn't just like stories. It waslike the stories came to life in the

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character's situation, like it was.I thought it was a really clever way
to do it. Yes, yes, exactly. I just of the fat
lady, so she's from the storythe Dream. Yeah, I agree.
I felt like, you know,I would describe this movie as fun.

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Yeah, like it was fun.I was pleasantly surprised. I mean again,
I am not touting it as likeone of the grounds, but I
would totally throw this on at Halloweentime because I was like, we should
watch this because he hasn't watched it. He didn't want. I don't tend
to have him watch movies with mewhen I take notes because I have to
pause it so much, and Iknow that that's got to be annoying for

(01:27:05):
the other person. So I tendto watch my movie by myself. So
like he caught me when I waswatching it right before we got onto record,
when I just well, I threwit on in the background and he
walked in and he's like, whatis this again, And I was like,
it's scary for he's a dark andhe's like, did we see this?
And I was like, no,you haven't seen it. We did

(01:27:25):
not go see it. And Iwas like, I think you kind of
should, like it's we should watchit like it's not bad, like it's
it's kind of fun if you especially, I do think it is especially fun
if you have like a little bitof the scary stories like background. I
think I think that's when you canreally appreciate the ghosts or like the monsters

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and how they look because you're like, yes, these are the illustrations in
the book that scared the shit outof me, Like I had never seen
art like that before. Yeah,at least that's how I felt as a
kid. I'd never seen that kindof art. Yeah, oh no,
I agree. And I think thatit was a really good I think it

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was a really good way to dothis, and I think that's I had
wanted to see it, But Ithink that was one of the reasons why
I was a little bit hesitant tokind of see it, because I was
like, hmm, this could bereally terrible. Maybe I'll just wait till
it comes out on video. Youknow. The other thing I wonder is
what else was out at that time, because I feel like for me,

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it was one of those like wewent out to movies, but we didn't
make it to that one before itwas out of the theater. Yeah.
I felt like it was released inAugust and it should have stuck around until
Halloween time and it didn't. Yeah, And I think that's what happened,
was like I missed it. Iwas like, well, we've been out
to the movies, but that one'sgone already. It was like here and

(01:28:54):
gone. It was still summer,and this was also prime back to school
time for me, so like Augustlike, and then we were starting the
podcast and we were watching movies andtaking notes for on other stuff. I
could see how like this just didn'tmake it in and so I knew I
wanted to see it, But thenI think it was just like in my

(01:29:15):
brain because I also didn't know anybodythat saw it and had anything to say
about it that I was like,I bet you it was shit. And
that's why I was so nervous whenwe went to watch it for this that
it was going to be garbage,but it was pretty fun. I think
that, like you know, itdefinitely, And I don't know if I'll
really sit down and read a bunchof these right now, but I will
tell you I will be right herewaiting when Audrey is ready to like to

(01:29:41):
do that, like I want toat least then, like I'm I'm all
for it, but I don't know, like I don't know if she'll be
into this like I was or not. And I dontally don't remember the I
don't like you said. It couldhave been fifth grade, could have been
earlier, it could have been Idon't know. I definitely feel like I
remember it was elementary school. Butthat's that's all I got. Yeah,

(01:30:02):
you know, So we'll see,we'll see if she shows some interest.
She liked the Viper story, butshe's not she's she doesn't want to anything
to do with anything else, andshe doesn't like that I do the really
like spooky voice, you know,like I'm always like, I mean,
hi, I'm a teacher, likelike I I'm a pretty good read aloud

(01:30:24):
kind of person. So well,I thought this one was really fun.
I don't know, I think it'llmake it into my rotation of Halloween movies.
I liked it. I think sotoo. I think it's a good
and it's one that like you canyou don't necessarily need to follow like a
plot, like because it as muchas like, oh yes, it's all

(01:30:46):
part of the same story. Eachpart of it you can kind of you
know, watch almost like catch thesnippets of it because it'll be entertained.
It's kind of like vignettes, yeah, without them really being vignettes. And
then it's also very much and that'spart of what I think we love so

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much about scary stories to tell themthe dark the books, is that they
all come from that like folklore spiritwhere people back in the day would sit
around the fire and entertain each otherwith stories. And many times those stories
were designed to be cautionary or freakyou out or that's what made it fun,

(01:31:29):
I mean, because there weren't anyother forms of entertainment, and so
this very much feels like that.It's like a good old fashioned ghost stories,
you know, so like and Ithink that that's hard to come by
because like if you think of someof the more modern ghost tim movies,
like I'm thinking of like conjuring,par normal activity. Those are all good

(01:31:49):
in their own way, but they'renot quite like this, where you go
in and it is it's you're justbeing told a ghost story. Paranormal activity
and conjuring try to make you feellike it could really happen. Yeah,
this you don't ever feel like youcould really help it, but you're here
for it. It's entertaining and it'sfun, so I can respect that.

(01:32:10):
I think that that it was welldone in that way. So if they
did a sequel, I would becurious. I don't know if I would
probably manage my expectations. I thinkit would be hard to like, I
don't know, like I feel likeit would be a it would be hard
to then reincorporate the stories. Ithink they could get it if it was

(01:32:35):
you fast forward it like that wasnineteen sixty eight and now it's like you
fast forwarded to current time and nowStella is an old lady who kind of
went crazy from this happening to her, and she is now kind of an
old lady. And some current kidsfind some element of like the stories or

(01:32:56):
whatever, and now they can theycan put some different ones from the books
that were like this one's kind yeah, kind of like Jumanji, Like it
goes from the board game of thevideo game. Well, this would be
like somehow the ghosts came through theInternet or you know, something like that.
I think they could do it.And then you know how these kids
visited the housekeeper's daughter who was nowan old lady. It's like the current

(01:33:21):
kids could be visiting like Stella orRuthie or whatever, the survivors, you
know, or Ramon. Ramon wentto war and he made it and he
came back and it was like they'rebringing back these memories or something like that.
Yeah, you know, I thinkthat it could. You could do
it, but you'd have to makeit I think fast forwarding into the future
and somehow it all gets dredged upagain. Yeah, I agree, but

(01:33:45):
you kind of couldn't go straight fromwhere it ends at this movie. I
don't think. I think it wouldbe dumb, but who knows. And
I think that they'd be well servedto just not even touch any of those
and go with totally different ghosts,you know, like just way different ones.
Yeah, so I don't know.I liked it. Yeah, as

(01:34:10):
I said, I was pleasantly surprised. Nice well, I guess that kind
of wraps it up. So itwas so good to get back at it,
right. I know, I feellike we've shaken off some of the
dust. I think we need tochange our outro to say every two weeks
too, just whenever the hell wecan get around true that yeah, yeah,

(01:34:30):
yeah, thank you for listening.And let's hope that anyone is still
willing to listen, because it's likeI can't, I really I hope that
we'll be back soon. That isalways, it's always on our mind.
It's just, you know, lifehas has dealt a very interesting duck and
so hopefully we'll be able to finda rhythm again with it because it is

(01:34:54):
a lot of fun to do.So if you guys want to share anything
about scary stories, if you wantto see I will take some pictures of
the book pages and post them onour socials. Or if you want to
recommend a movie for the show,you can email us at fourteen going on
forty pod at gmail dot com.You can find us on Facebook at fourteen

(01:35:15):
going on forty Podcasts or Instagram atfourteen going on forty pod. And this
one the only thing, but itmight I wonder if it's already on there
from one of our other movies,it would be maybe like the Season of
the Witch Song might get added tomy Spotify past fourteen going on forty jams.
I'll see what I can. Whatmore, maybe I'll find a recording

(01:35:39):
on Spotify of the Hers song thatI can sneak in there so you can
listen to the worms crawling and theworms crawling creepy. Don't go wandering in
then into any abandoned haunted houses atnight on Halloween. Yeah, don't do
that. And um, you know, the next time you're being followed with
someone that has their brights on,I'm just saying, high beans, high

(01:36:00):
beans, read it. It's it'sit's real spooky, Okay,

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