Scream Re-release SPOOOOOOKY HALLOWEEN season!

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Hi, friends, Welcome to fourteengoing on forty, where two best friends
revisit the movies that have entertained usstarting in our teen years until today.
So let's head back to school withthe kids from Woodsboro High in nineteen ninety

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six and see if we're just ascaptivated by the movie Scream as when we
were seventeen. This is Melissa,and this is Andrea. And Andrea,
what why did you want to pickScream? I remember seeing trailers of it
and being like, that looks likesomething I really want to see. When
I was in high school, Idon't remember being into like the big slasher

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films like Friday the Thirteenth or Nightmareon Elm Street. I think I saw
those more, probably like in collegewhen we would go hang out at somebody's
house. But I loved all thosethrillers and the kind of suspenseful dramas.

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For some reason, this one reallyintrigued me, and I think because it
looked like it would have some kindof dark humor to it as well.
It was kind of almost like itwasn't taking itself too seriously. So I
remember going to see this when itcame out. I remember being really amped
to go see it. I rememberit was because it came out in December,

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yeah, right before Christmas, soit was right like Christmas break.
I remember talking to my best friendFaith and we hopped into the car and
we went to a showing. Iwant to say it was probably opening weekend
because we were just so excited togo see this movie. And I just
remember loving it so much, andit was so different than some of the

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other movies that were coming out atthe time. I felt like it didn't
dumb itself down to pander to theteenage audience. It was really smart and
witty and funny and dark and scaryat the same time, which I think
is one of those things that isjust so unusual for a film like this

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that especially deals with teenage kids.So yeah, I mean, why not
do this movie, especially Halloween?This is awesome. I love it.
So that's why I wanted to dothis movie. What about you, Melissa?
So what I remember about Scream atthe time was when I was thinking

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back, I definitely remembered seeing itin the theater when it came out.
Now, when I was in highschool, I you know, I've worked
every day in my life since Iwas fifteen years old, so all my
cash money was spent on either concerttickets or going to the movies at least
once a week. It was likeI almost always found something that I would
be willing to buy a ticket for. I mean, so I ended up

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going with a couple of friends tothe movies at least once every weekend,
just about And I feel like thisone was one that I was definitely excited
for because I there are two bigreasons. One, I am a huge
horror and suspense movie nerd, soI grew up loving all of the really
good suspense type films, so I'mdefinitely more of a Hitchcock original John Carpenter's

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Halloween where it's like there's no bloodin it, but it's so scary because
you're in so much suspense. I'mdefinitely a fan of anything that makes you,
you know, really kind of inthe moment, you know, a
couple of good jumps, you know, you're really guessing who's going to be
the villain and all of it.So I knew that that's kind of what

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this movie vibe was going to be. And the second reason was I am
a huge Drew Barrymore nerd, soI love Drew Barrymore, and I was
like, oh my gosh, Ilove her. I will totally go see
it. I can't believe she's init. That means, you know,
at least if even if it sucks, she was in it kind of thing.
So I definitely remember seeing it atthe time. What else I remember

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about it when I was thinking aboutit, Even though I saw in my
research that it came out in December, I didn't remember that about it in
my personal experience. But what Idid remember was that when I saw it
with my group of friends, wewere in a generally kind of empty theater,
like it wasn't like and we wentduring probably the opening week, and
it wasn't crowded. It definitely waskind of plenty of seats in the theater

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type of deal, you know.According to IMDb, they're saying that the
studio did it because during the holidayseason it would be so different and it
would speak to all of those horrorfans and things like that. But at
the time, you know, thefilm seemed like it flopped. And I
kind of can understand that now lookingat that fact so many years later,
because I remember when I went inthere, it was a pretty empty theater,

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like people were not running to gosee this movie, but it was
kind of a sleeper hit. Itwas like then afterwards by word of mouth,
people were like, you have gotto go see this movie, and
then it really picked up momentum andended up grossing plenty of money when all
was said and done. But Ithought that those were some of the big
things that I remember about it.I have other like general thoughts of why

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this is one of my all timefavorites, and we'll kind of get into
it when we start talking about theactual movie. So I feel like this
is one that we have a greatlove force we need to get like get
into the conversation. So as usual, I will go ahead and give us
our logline description from IMDb Short andSweet. A year after the murder of
her mother, a teenage girl isterrorized by a new killer who targets the

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girl and her friends by using horrorfilms as part of a deadly game,
which I thought was a pretty gooddescription, well done IMDb. So this
is the tagline I had an IMDb. One of the taglines was a new
thriller from Wes Craven, So thiswas also something that I feel like was
a draw to the movie. Youknow, Wes Craven's really known for putting

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out some pretty good stuff in thehorror genre, so I thought that that
was really needs. So basically,when the film opens up, we start
with the story of Cathy, whois Drew Barrymore in the movie, right,
yes, yes, yeah. Sowe start out seeing her at her
house and the phone rings and sheanswers the phone, and we see her

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initial response, which I loved.I loved her sassy responses to the color
They've got nine hundred numbers for that. I also feel like her politeness is
relatable when she first answers the phone, yeah, oh, sorry of the
wrong number, and then by thethird call, they kind of start talking
scary movies. So what was yourinitial impression of the voice on the phone.

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It's one of those you know,he starts out and he just sounds
kind of normal, but you knowthere is something off or a little bit
off putting about his voice, likeit like he knows something that you don't
know. Even with oh, whois this? Like, Oh, you

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don't need to know who the fuckthis is? You're right, My response
to who is this would be like, well, who is this because I'm
not giving you my name. Youcalled me. You should know who this
is. You should know what you'recalling, right, You should know who
you're calling. You know, youshould be able to give up the goods.
You know who you're trying to call. Right. It sounds almost like

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I mean, especially since he callsback several times, Like by the third
one, you're like, okay,jackass, why are you doing this?
Why are you you're you know,you've called the wrong number. Yeah,
and he just turned so sinister soquick. His voice is just one he
does that is so creepy. Hejust gets so vicious. I want to

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see what you're inside looked like andyou're like, whoa, holy shit,
just got real real fast. Wellbefore they get there. There were a
couple of things that went through mymind, and one of them was I
thought we should at least point outto our listeners who may or may not
remember a whole lot about the goodold year in nineteen ninety six. But

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yes, in fact, calor iddid exist. However, lots of people
did not use it because it wasa paid feature. Yeah, it was
something that you had to pay yourphone company to add caller ID and then
you had to buy the kind ofphone that or you had to buy the
attachment. You kind of remember thosethere was like this, oh yeah,
I can't used to plug in thephone box that used to sit on your
yep. Yeah. So like nowI feel like, right now, if

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there is someone that is newly watchingthis film, that might be hard to
place or understand, like how doesshe not know what number keeps calling her?
And that's probably because at that time, it wasn't that common for a
house to have caller ID. Itactually would be totally normal for someone to
not have that. And then secondly, when she is at first kind of
flirtatious, like when he's like,oh, do you have a boyfriend and
she's like, no, you're gonnaask me out on a date, It

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instantly brought me back to this ideaof the kind of phone stalker situation.
You have you ever seen the movieWant of Stranger Calls? Yes? Yeah,
where it's have you have you haveyou checked the children? One of
my best friends in high school thatshe had a phone stalker and she played
into it big time and it wasan ongoing thing that I remember her telling

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me about it, and I waslike, this is not a good thing.
Stop accepting phone calls from this person, because it turned into this weird
like and he just like calls her, claiming he just wants to talk a
little bit, and I'm like,uh no, you know this alarm bells,
alarm bells going off. So thenI remember we had some kind of
like elaborate plot to see if wecould catch this person because he was claiming

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that he could see things that shewas doing. And I was like,
are you oh god, oh mygod, like this is nuts. And
this was before screen came out thatthis was going on, and this was
when we were younger, probably Idon't know, maybe freshman or sophomores,
So this hadn't even you know,it sound like I could have referenced that
what do you want to be,Kathy? But it was like one of
those things where you know you couldget away with crap like this, like

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you know, you dialed someone's phonenumber and they didn't really know who you
are, and there was something sortof intriguing about it. Right. We
used to prank phone call all thetime, like stupid things when you were
kids. We would just ask forsomebody random and then they'd be like,
oh no, you have the wrongnumber. We laugh. I mean stupid
kids stuff. I mean yeah,but yeah, you had no fear of

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retribution because no one could figure outwho you were, right, Yeah,
And then it was a paid feature, and you know, my parents weren't
going to pay for us to figureout who was calling us. I mean
that was ridiculous. I mean,you know, just a home phone.
In general, I feel like eventhat has gone the way of the Dodo.
Well, I know, you don'thave a home phone. Everybody has

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cell phones and those those giant brickcordless phones that we're in the movie or
just a thing of the past.So that is kind of it is one
of those things. Oh what evenlike Star sixty nine that would that kind
of came out after this movie,or was right around the time of this
movie too, where you could callsomebody back and figure out who they were

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if you didn't have caller ID,it would say the number. But I'm
right, which I like that asan audience member, I wasn't having all
those thoughts at that time where someonewho's seeing it like now for the first
time might be having all those thoughtslike, well, why didn't Casey do
this, or why didn't Casey dothat? And we can have that perspective
of remembering that at that time,like that stuff wasn't really a thing yet.
You know, yes it the technologyexisted, but it wasn't as widespread

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as you would think. Right.The other thing that, speaking of the
stockery phone call story, I wastelling you about with my friend that had
one, and we were talking abouttrying to catch him with this idea of
what window is he seeing you through? Or like, what's happening? I
wrote down in my notes so manywindows in all caps. Now I know,
Casey, this is in California,that this is set. So I'm

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sure you know when you have abeautiful view, you have a house with
a lot of windows. But holycow, it's just like windows everywhere in
Casey's house and the doors are allwindowed and like that totally freaked me out
because I did not growing up ina house with a lot of windows like
that. No, and that totallyweirded me out. And I mean it's
wine country, like you could seeCasey's house like right next door it's vineyards.

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Yeah. At first I was like, oh, those cornfields and I
went back and looked. I waslike, no, no, no,
those are vineyards. So I mean, these people have a lot of money,
and the more money you have,the more windows you have. First,
because I noticed silence in California.In my little condo we had,
we didn't have all those windows,you know, I mean you know,

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we had like one in each room. And that was it. Yes.
The other thing I made note of, speaking of like technology and all that,
when they get that great line whenhe calls her blondie, and that's
when she knows for sure that shecan be seen. I made a note
that I was like cell phones atthe time. It wasn't quite the car
bag phone situation, right. Definitely, phones were small like what we saw

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in the movies, but they werestill relatively expensive. Like all of my
high school friends still had like pagers. It wasn't like it senior year.
We didn't all have cell phones becausefirst of all, we weren't eighteen yet
to get a plan of our own, so our parents would have had to
purchase it for us. And theywere still relatively expensive and seemed to be
frivolous because everyone had a home phone, so your parents would be like,
just call on the home phone,you know, Like, what do you

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need to talk to your friends forand there were still pay phones, so
like we could just pick up aphone at the mall, pop up quarter
in and call our friend from fromthe mall, or do the whole Yes,
pick up the phone, make acollect fall Callas day right, hey

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theater, it can't come pick meup? Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
I didn't get my first cell phoneuntil I was in college, so this
was definitely very true to life,and for me it was later college.
I want to say it was likemy junior or senior year of college when
cell phone prices came down enough thatlike I was like, Okay, I

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think I can do this with apart time job and make it something that
I can afford. So I thinkthe pricing of it, and the reason
I bring this up is because,yes, we're dealing with this northern California
area. We could assume that thesekids come from families with some decent amount
of money. But it wouldn't bethat weird for Casey to not jump to
think like someone's on a cell phonewatching me in the house, because it

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wasn't like all the all the kidshad cell phones nowadays, you know,
And so I think that that's anotherthing that's important to point out to people
who maybe are caught scream later on, you know, and weren't watching it
in that moment of when it cameout. So I think that's another important
way to know that when we sawit in the theaters, that was hugely
suspenseful, like oh my gosh,someone like walking around outside with a cell

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like that's crazy. And so then, like you said, it gets it
suddenly goes to now they're getting vicious. She says that, yes, I
have a boyfriend, and they saythat they have him, and so they
start this you know, do youwant to play a game so that we
can let Steve go? You justthink at this point it is this weird
creep out guy who is calling me, and now he says he has my

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boyfriend, and you know, andhe proves it, and he proves it
by he tells her to turn onthe patio lights. She sees it,
and now Casey is scared shitless.She is like, something's happening. He
says, let's play a game.It's going to be out about horror movies
and super Bummer Man. Casey failsthat question, fails hard. And it

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was funny because I remember seeing thiswith my husband Dave, and he had
not seen the original Friday of thethirteenth. Actually we've literally just he saw
it for the first time maybe sixmonths ago, so he would have failed
that question too. Oh yeah,He's like, where's the entire movie?
Where's Jason? Where's Jason? Whendoes Jason come? And I'm just sitting

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there going, oh, dude,I always think it. I staid,
thinking to myself, Okay, thisshit ever goes down for real, some
asshole calls me, bitch, bringit. I'm a murky trivia goddess.
Here we go. Let's do this. Okay, come out what you got.
You know, speaking of trivia,though, you know that the guy
who's her boyfriend was actually auditioning toplay Billy and he also I didn't read

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that. Yeah, he almost gotthe part. So basically as a as
a consolation prize seems to be Stevewho has like no mines and you know,
hey, man, you got tobe in it. That's pretty cool.
I did like the use of theJiffy pop popcorn. Have you ever
used one of those? No?Neither have I, so to me,
even the concept of it, itwas kind of like meat like watching her

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getting it ready on the stove.I don't know anybody who's ever used it.
I've never known anybody who's actually usedI've only seen it in movies.
I think what we need to doafter this episode is make it our mission
in life to have purchased one ofthose, because I'm kind of Diane,
I'm kind of Diyan to see it. I don't know if I've ever seen
him in the grocery store. Ithought, you we could get them.

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It's not Amazon Primes got him,come out, can get any Amazon's got
everything. Everything about that background,noise of it, and the visual of
it is helping you understand that liketime is passing and things are getting more
urgent. The popcorn's burning, youknow, and she is getting chased now
around the house. The stalker doescrash in through one of the windows,
and Casey puts up a great fight. I love that part of this,

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like she puts up a fight,and I think that that's one of the
things that right off the bat Iadored about this movie. It was like,
Okay, yes, we've got youknow, the cute blonde high school
girl. But she does not godown easy, like she really, really
puts up a fight. I rememberin the movie Theater, I lost my
mind when this was happening, whenwhen, especially when Casey gets stabbed,

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because I was like, wait,I'm sorry, what is happening here?
Is she's going to die? Andyeah, that's what I what I didn't
bring up at the beginning because Ithought this would be kind of a perfect
time to talk about the fact thatthe other thing about this movie that is
so beloved to me, it isthe first movie that ever made me aware
of movie marketing. I honestly wasnever ever that cognizant or aware of marketing

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tactics or marketing techniques until screen.I actually don't remember money of the trailers.
I don't remember. I mean,I'm sure I saw them, But
what I really remember was, rememberI told you I had this great love
for Drew Barrymore. And if youlook at what the posters look liked,
what all the marketing campaign looked like. Her face is front and center.
She's the star of the movie.These other people that are in it,
you barely know them. Oh,you kind of knew enough Campbell from my

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Party of five on thirty five,you know. And she had started to
be in a couple of movies,but it was like, who are these
other jamokes? You know, likethis this is the Drew Barrymore movie.
And the fact that she gets murderedin the first twelve minutes made me lose
my mind. It was genius nowbecause suddenly, as an audience member,
anything happened can happen. I hadno idea what's going on? I am
completely lost, like I'm here tosee a Drew Barrymore movie. She's dead?

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Or how did this happen? Now? What happens? That never struck
me as a possibility. She's supposedto be the start of the show and
so and I use it to thisday in my sports entertainment marketing class as
an example of movie marketing, youknow. And it's hard because the kids
haven't necessarily all seen screen, butthey're mostly aware of it because now there's
that MTV series, yes, whichI have seen, but then also there

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have been all the sequels that haskept that at least they're aware and they're
aware of the ghost face mask.But I love that. That was the
thing that really introduced me to whatclever marketing that was. Now, going
back looking at the trivia that itwas Drew Barry's. Barrymore's idea to play
Casey. She did have that Campbell'srole. Yeah, so smart, like
so smart, because I mean Ididn't. Not a single person I've ever

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talked to said that they saw thatcoming, Like no, no, well
I remember exactly like you in thetheater with my best friend clutching her and
we're both like, what the helljust happened? She's dead? And again
just like you, because even inall the posters, everything Drew Barrymore front
and center. Everybody else is inthe background like Drew Barrymore because she was

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a big start at the time,and you're like, Okay, yeah,
she's gonna she's gonna kick ass throughthis movie. She We're gonna watch her.
And when she just gets knife,it's the slow mo run with the
guy, you know, ghost facein the back, and which is a
great shot. Yeah, I meanhe just looks like he's swooping down on

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her like a giant bird, Likeit is really good. And then I
love the shot of her laying onthe ground and reaching up to grab the
mask, and then you it justcuts to his arm with the knife and
then it just goes down. Thatfelt very hitchcock to me, Yes,
very hitchcock. And although there isquite a bit of blood in this,

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it's not I mean, some ofit is gratuitous, but it's not overly
gory, which I think I appreciatetoo. But their use of sound too,
like when when they slice Steve open, just the sounds and like the
sounds of the knife, and Imean it's just that is almost worse,

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Like you don't see him getting slicedopen, but you hear it and then
you see the aftermath and oh yes, so I would agree with that,
and I think that, um,the comparison that is running in my brain
is the Saw movies. The sawmovies are designed to just make you with
the violence and the blood and thegore in them. They're designed to make
you, like, super uncomfortable.It's like, how can we make the

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audience as totally creeped out and uncomfortableand sick to their stomach as we can
be In this movie, I feellike the violence was there to like be
over the top and make it aslasher movie. I felt like it was
all still part of the plot,Like I was okay with it happening because
I'm not one that seeks out moviesfor the kills, like some people like

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slash movies for the like totally gratuitouskills, and that can be a little
bit I don't hope, for lackof a better word, fun, I
guess, but I'm not super intothat. But I know that there's like
a you know, there's there's agood group. There's a group of people
that are into that, and I'mnot one of those people. And so
even though this was hugely bloody andpretty graphic for all intents and purposes,
I was still into it because Iwas like, holy cow, and I

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mean again, the psychological suspense partwas was there to rain it all in
that It's like the violence was justpart of the plot. It didn't make
me feel like it wasn't just partof the story, you know, I
thought that it was. It's gruesome. It's terrible. When Casey's parents come
home, Oh my god, ohthat it's just so hard to watch,

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like so hard to watch it,even though you know it's fake. Just
the idea of that mom and dadwalking in, right, it's just horror,
and the fact that she picks upthat phone and can hear Casey like
taking her last breaths as a asa human being. You don't have to
be a parent as a human being. That is just wow, that's that's

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a stab to the emotional heart there, like you're like, oh God,
that poor mother. And I didthink I loved that, you know,
that little easter egg in there ofdad telling the mom to go down to
the Mackenziees to call an ambulance,and that's a nod to Jamie Lee and
Halloween, the original Halloween. Shetells Tommy Doyle to go down to the

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Mackenzie's house for help. And soI caught that like right away because I
am I didn't Halloween until I AMDB. Okay, well see I Halloween nineteen
seventy eight is my jam Like,it's my jam. So I was like,
yeah, all right, okay,I love that. So from there,
that is again the first twelve minutesof the film, huge impact,

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fast pace. I'm in this.I'm in love with Casey already. And
then now she's gone and what's goingto happen? We cut to Nev Campbell
in her bedroom. It's like,okay, so now where's the story going.
So she's just in her room,you know, and her boyfriend sneaks
and Billy Dad comes in and kindof almost catches the sneaking of the boyfriend.
But it's a setup for the audienceto understand that Dad's going out of

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town this weekend. Yeah, sowe know this is how we get to
find out that he's out of townon business and Sydney's going to be easting
by yourself. A couple of thingsabout this scene. First of all,
who doesn't have screens on their windows? Yeah, you know, Well here's
the thing that happens a lot inmovies. Um. I mean, I

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know here in the Midwest, inMosquito Country, ain't no way screens on
your windows. I don't know northernCalifornia. I mean they're still bugs.
Like I could just imagine the wholechange in the scene when like Billy comes
up and he's trying to get thescreen open and banging on trying to shake

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out the screen. I mean,like, can you let me in June
bugs or sitting on the window.I mean it just has it open all
the way. I'm sorry you donot have your window open up all the
way, and at night when itwould probably be opened up like two inches
two I'm with you, but I'mgoing to give Wes Craven a pass on

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this one because so many movies usethat. But like, yeah, there's
no screen. You can sneak inher out of your window. It's totally
easy. It's just wide gaping holeon the side of your house that you
can just ye go in and outof. You know. It's like Billy
came over to talk about their sexlife. Yeah, whatever, that's weird.
And he gives this example that totallyhad me cringing from the get go.

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He was watching The Exorcists edited forTV version, and he feels like
their relationship is edited for TV.And I just felt like, for me,
this was such a weird, pressurefilled situation for say, like,
I was like, why what iswrong with you telling her I was watching
the Exorcist and we're edited for TVand I wouldn't break your underwear rule and
blah blah, like oh, yeahit is. It is a very cringe

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worthy scene. I thought the samething. I was like, listen,
asshole, I don't want to pressureyou. Yes you do. That's that's
what this is. That's that's whatthis is. You just came there to
pressure her about sex. And thenhe tries to have redeem himself by saying,
well, oh you know the sexstuff. I was just half serious,

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okay, passive aggressive, half serious, yeah, half serious, get
the fuck out of here. Yeah. So anyway, I was from the
beginning I kind of had that likesleeeze ball impression of Billy, even though
I have no reason to suspect himof anything. I was just like,
oh, what is his boyfriend Roles? As soon as he walks in and
he's talking to her, I justhave in my note Billy giving his best

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Johnny Depp. I mean, helooks so much like like a young Johnny
Depp in this with the hair.First of all, I have a lot
of problems with that hair do,and like it's greasy and jelly is its
greasy? I don't know. Itlooks crunchy and kind of gross. But
he is giving like his total youngJohnny Depp impression. I'm sure that's what

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what Craven was going for sure,all these nods back to the wing around
Elm Street, you know there itis. All he needed was a crop
top and he would have been rightJohnny and Elm Street. You know,
so you haven't seen the original ElmStreet? Oh no, Okay, all
right, well you need to treatyourself to that one because the rest of
them are not worth it. Justthe original is just fine. Yeah.
Again, I was not into likethe horror movies when I was in high

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school, so it never the wholeyou know, Freddy Krueger. I mean
I knew what it was, andI saw little terms of it. I
knew who was in it, butit was never something that was on the
top of my list to see.Well, and I will say about Ski
Rich, it's like he can't helpit. I mean, he really does
look like Johnny Depp, you know, because he even do stuff that he's
in now he's in the TV seriesRiverdale as a full blown adult, and

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he still kind of looks like JohnnyDepp. Like there's he's got the same
thing structure as him. So butyeah, I agree with you. At
first, I kind of felt likeit was almost an imitation, But then
I feel like he gets sufficiently darkenough as the movie goes through to kind
of stop you thinking about that somuch. Because Johnny Depp tends to be
a lovable guy in movies, andhe's not lovable, not this billy.

(28:18):
I'm not going to say it rightnow, not lovable him and his freaking
exorcist sex pressure. Get the fuckout of here. So then we cut
to the high school. So afterthis whole awkward bedroom scene happens, and
then we go to the high school, and the reporters have descended on the
high school because the high school studenthas been killed, and so it's kind
of like you watch Casey, I'mnot the Casey, I'm sorry, Sydney
going to school, and this iswhere we get introduced to kind of like

(28:41):
the rest of the friend group isthrough this, and we also get to
see Gaye Weathers reporting, and sothis is where we get introduced accurting Cox's
character. She's a tabloid news reporter. She's at the high school. Tatum
is the one that tells Sydney.Tatum is played by Rose McGowan, and
that's Sydney's best friend in the movie. She's the one that says Casey and
Steve got murdered last night, andthere's she says, the cops are here

(29:04):
interrogating high schoolers, and so thatkind of is all set up for us
for it to make sense that westart to see a little bit of this
interrogation process when Sydney gets called outthe office and kind of has her turn,
and the principal, the sheriff,and then Dewey, the deputy who
is Tatum's older brother, is inthere to do this interrogation of Sydney,

(29:26):
so we sort of see her,you know, getting kind of handled with
kid gloves by the police, youknow, and asking a little did she
know Casey? And so we don'treally know what's going on with Sydney's character
yet. We don't have a fullstory, but there's obviously some sort of
relationship between her and the police thatwe haven't really figured out yet because they

(29:47):
haven't revealed it. So apparently SantaRosa High School, which is a beautiful
high school. It's been in actuallyquite a few movies, but apparently the
school board not happy with what thismovie was out and all the gruesome,
gordy, gory murders of high schoolstudents, so they wouldn't let them shoot
at Cinta Rosa High School, sothey had to quick find a new place

(30:07):
to shoot. So that's actually acommunity center, which just trips me out
because I wish when I was therethat I had seen this again, but
I didn't put two into we didn'thave I didn't have IMDb at the time,
now is it in watching movies?And I just read like all the
IMDb trivia, and I would havebeen like, let's go on a scream
tour of northern California, right right. I would have loved to go because

(30:33):
I probably have been to all theseplaces. When they get to school the
next day, it's so bright,like I feel like it's it's such a
contrast between all the dark stuff andeven the stuff in like Sydney's room,
like it just see is almost overexposed, like it's it's so bright and
I and it's like kind of chaoticbecause you have all these reporters like talking
over each other, and Linda Blair'sthere doing her reporter spiel. I was

(31:00):
like, oh my god again.And music is so like gothic and trippy,
and even in this bright, sunnyCalifornia day, you have this like
ominous soundtrack over it, which justkeeps so much of the suspense throughout that
entire thing. Yes, and Ilove Tatum and her character. I think

(31:22):
she is probably one of the bestcharacters in this whole movie. I did
find it a little weird to seeher with that blonde hair, like it
just it looks so like fake andnot it looks Overprom's because she's I mean,
she's naturally like a snow white.She's the real people of complexion and
the super dark hair. And soyou know, in some of the like

(31:45):
in Wikipedia or IMDb or one ofthem, they said that Rose McGowan elected
to dye her hair blonde to makeherself be very differentiated from Sydney being the
main character, so that like theydidn't kind of look like the same same
girl most you know, and itjust made her look totally different. It
works for her and like the bubblypersonality, and it kind of in general

(32:07):
because I think when you start tothink about Rose McGowan's other work and kind
of how her persona was in thecelebrity world, she kind of had that
goth appeal to her. So Ifeel like that blonde hair kind of helps
take all of that away. Theykind of made her just she looks like
a normal high schooler versus some sortof like um like having a darker side.

(32:27):
You don't really get that impression fromthe Tatum character at all. So
you know, even though the blondedoes seem very fake, and maybe it's
because we know that that's not whatshe's supposed to look like. I think
it works. I think it workspretty well for her character of Tatum.
And yeah, and she's rocking theclueless vibe. Yeah, like she got
the little pleated skirt and I meanshe she looks like she could have been
dropped right into clueless at that point. Can we talk about Gail's outfits for

(32:54):
this whole movie for a second,like little, Yeah, I should watch
that lime green suit. It's likelime green and short. Yes. Her
color Pellette is called Highlighters, likewhen you buy a box of highlighters Markers.
That's her. That's her closet,that's what it looks like. Everything's

(33:15):
like neon. Yes. And thelater scenes she has like this red,
big buttoned Peter Pan kind of collaroutfit. And then her highlights. I
don't know if if this was achoice to make her look different men,
because she was on Friends at thetime, different than Monica on Friends,
and to really differentiate her kind ofin the same way like they did with

(33:36):
Rose McGowan. I mean, becauseit is like horrible highlights like frosted.
You know that frosted highlight look thatwas so in and frosted lips, Yes,
like her lipstick. I just kepton looking at those shiny frosted lips.
I do think it's all very purposeful. I think that it is exactly

(33:57):
how they needed the audience to seeher as why people treat her like she's
not taken very seriously because she's atabloid reporter. So she would have been
like on a current affair or somethinglike that, you know, where she's
not your news anchor that's you know, highly respected on your local or national
news. She is a tabloid reporter. And I think that the suit and

(34:19):
outfit choices and the hair and themakeup all actually really lend to giving us
that visual and understanding her character righton site. Like she's cheesy tabloid reporter.
We can expect her to be what'sthe word I'm looking for, kind
of abrasive. We can expect herto be like an in your face kind
of journalist would have like a celebritychaser, you know, a headline chaser.
We can also expect that she's um, you know, a little hardened,

(34:44):
and so I think that was probablynecessary. According Cocks, it's such
a good job in this considering thatyou know, it's it talks a lot
about in a lot of the differenttrivia things you read that she had to
loll be hard for this role becauseshe had such a nice girl, girl
next door, nice girl kind ofimag and it was working for her and
like for her to do something totallyopposite where she was going to play like

(35:04):
a hardened, bitchy, aggressive kindof person. I'm just so in awe
of how much it works for her, and she know speaks to really how
talented she is. Did you eversee that show Dirt No with Courtney Kax,
Like she basically plays Gail, butlike an even harder, ruthless,

(35:25):
dirty error version of her because basicallyshe worked for like a tabloid magazine,
oh kind of like a tmz Xkind of thing. She was really good
that too, But she played againthis like super aggressive, really hardened journalist
who didn't take shit from anybody.And I really appreciate that, and I'm

(35:47):
like, yeah, go get agirl like you gotta fight through all these
you know, dicks out there literallyand figuratively, Yeah, so you might
as well go after through what youwant. And I love her, and
you know, you're you're not supposedto really like her either, but you
can dread of respect her for whatshe's for sure. So I think like

(36:08):
the introduction of her as a characteris great. I think that we can
see right off the bat and understandwho she is. And I don't know
whether it's after school necessarily, butat some point we see like the whole
friend group come together and we meetRandy, who is played by Jamie Kennedy,
and they have a really insensitive conversationbasically, oh yeah, you know,
they're talking about the manner in whichCasey and Steve were killed and that

(36:30):
they were gutted, and like,you know, um, just really insensitive,
and Sydney is visibly uncomfortable, andas an audience member, we still
don't totally understand why. But thefriends seem to know something that we don't,
because they're all sort of like,dude, shut up, like stop
it, you know, and they'reyeah. And so I like this too,

(36:51):
because again, we have been soshaken and we're so unsure after the
Drew Barrymore incident that now we're watchingevery person's move to try to figure out
who's the character in this movie,like what's happening? And so um.
I like that it keeps us unsureand we're not totally aware, but everybody
in the movie seems to know somethingthat we don't as the audience members.
So I thought that that was welldone though. Yeah, and the shot

(37:12):
of them I thought was so funny, like they're all sitting by the fountain,
and I just have like Nino twoone no scene, Like it just
looks like it just came right outof nine to two and No that they're
all just sitting and chatting by thefountain. I'm like, oh, it's
like Nino, I know, likeyou know the Tickle. Oh, these
are the group of friends and theyall hang out together and they're all closed

(37:34):
and they're all chit chatting, andbut I thought I thought it was a
really interesting So we're all talking about, oh, you know, well maybe
you did it, and Randy's like, you know, maybe you killed or
maybe oh weren't didn't you date Casey? And Tatum's like, what do you
mean. He's like, yeah,I did her. For like a second,
I thought it was really interesting.He goes he goes, yeah,

(37:54):
I didn't kill anybody when no oneno one's asked him, like they've kind
of skipped a couple beats ahead,and he's like, yeah, I didn't
kill anybody, and Billy's like,nobody said you did it. It's almost
like that clue that they gave itto us but we didn't know. Yeah,
there right, because he's saying itno one asked him about it,
and Billy's trying to like correct himand be like, nobody said anything.

(38:17):
Dude, shut up pretty much.Yeah, even when I think seeing it
the first time, I was like, He's like, I didn't kill anybody,
and I'm like, why would you? Why would you say that?
It's almost like that little guilty conscienceis right behind his head. I'm like,
oh. And then we go toSydney's house, right, Yeah,
who leew I want to live atSydney's house. I want to It's so

(38:42):
pretty and yeah, she takes likethe bus home and we see her make
plans to stay overnight at Tatum's houseand she's like packing her stuff and watching
the news. And then this iswhen the movie finally lets us know that
Sydney's mom. H yeah, weunderstood that, like there was something with
Sydney's mom, but now they actuallythrough the newscasts she's watching, we learned
that she was raped and murdered ayear ago, and so this is fresh

(39:06):
and we get to learn that thisway. Sidney takes a nap. She
wakes up, it's dark, thephone is ringing, and the voice calls
her. No first, Tatum callsher, calls her and says she's running
late. So like she's running late, and they're talking about, oh,
hey, you know, should Ipick up movies? You want to say,
all the right moves you can youknow, Yeah, if you pause
it the right way, you cansee Tom Cruise is Penis. And I

(39:28):
will say I did rent all theright moves after that to see if I
could see it. It's kind offuzzy, So I don't waste your time.
It's not that part of a movieeither. I didn't and I wasn't
intrigued, And yeah, Tom Cruisedoesn't really didn't do it for me,
then doesn't do it for me now. So I was okay just knowing that

(39:49):
information through Tatum in the movie Screamand not knowing it for you know,
reasons of having actually lived through that. So I was okay with just that
little piece trivia living in the backof my brain just because it's in scream
um. But yeah, so thenshe's running late and then the phone rings
again and now it's the voice.And what's great is you know, I
learned in the trivia and I didnot know this until I started creeping around

(40:10):
on the trivia that the guy whoplays the voice in this was originally just
supposed to be like a placeholder,like they were using it as like,
okay, you say these lines andthen later on we're going to hire somebody.
But then they liked him so muchthat they used him. The guy
without it Roger Jackson is his name, and he was they were going to

(40:30):
dub it over in post production whenthey decided, well, what do we
want? But then they thought hewas doing such a great job with it
that they ended up using him.And I thought that's a pretty neat,
little like trivia snippet to know about. So then I can't imagine this entire
film series without that voice. Meanshe's used all the way through. And

(40:50):
I don't know is he used inthe TV show too, because I feel
like I don't know, I don'tknow about the TV show, But I
mean, he's used all through allmore movies, and I just can't even
imagine that. I can't imagine anybodydoing it better. Yeah, is so
key. So it's pretty great,so good. It is really good.
So when he calls Sydney, weas the audience, no, that's the

(41:14):
bad guy, but she doesn't,and she thinks it's Randy at first,
like she thinks someone screwing around withher, you know, And so she
kind of goes through this motions,but we in the audience are building that
tension of like, oh my god, it's the bad guy, you know,
and like we know what's happening here. I love Sydney's assessment of scary
movies in this where she talks aboutshe hates scary movies. It's always some

(41:36):
big breasted girl running up the stairswhen she should be running out the front
door, and you know, it'sjust garbage and she doesn't watch that crap.
And I love that assessment there,and I think that's probably why I
wasn't super interested in the Slash orFlix, because I felt like, you're
treating me like I'm an idiot,and you're treating these people like they're idiots.
And all the girls are there it'sjust for like set dressing and to

(41:59):
show their hits and yeah, whichis part of again why I loved how
the character of Casey put up sucha fight right in the beginning of this
movie, because it's like, yeah, that's that's what you would do.
You'd fight for your life and soum. But it is kind of funny
that they coaxed her onto the frontfront porch by saying, you know,
the voice says that he can seeher, and so she goes out on

(42:21):
the front porch. She says,what am I doing? And she pretends
to pick her nose, and thatvoice doesn't have a good answer for that,
and so she feels that she hasnow has the upper hand. She
figured it out. This is justa focus, right. Did you notice,
like when you're listening to his voicewhen he's like, I can see
you, it almost sounds muffled.So when I and I caught that when

(42:44):
I watched it again, because Iwas like, it does it almost sounds
muffled because then you realize he's inthe fucking closet. Yes, you know.
She comes in and she locks thedoor, puts the chain on,
and he comes busting out of thecloset, and of course, instead of
of running out the front door,because it is now locked and chained,

(43:04):
she has to run up the stairs, which I love that brilliant nod,
that kind of like, hey,you're doing exactly what those stupid girls do,
run up up the stairs into intoa room. I was drinking quite
a bit of wine when I waswriting all my notes, and I just
some of my more interesting notes isshe she goes out to the front porch,

(43:30):
and I just had balls on therebecause I was like, holy hell.
I don't know if I would ifI had known that my classmates had
got murdered, if I and somebodywas calling me, even if I thought
it was a joke, I don'tknow if i'd be like busting in outside
on the front porch when I hadalready known that two of my classmates had

(43:50):
been murdered. I was like,yeah, either she's got some big brass
balls or she is just has adeath wish. I don't know. I
was like, crap, I don'tknow if I would do that. Yeah,
well just today they found out thattheir classmates were murdered, and then
but you know, I mean,yeah, I would agree with that.
I don't know. I don't thinkthat that would have been my reaction at

(44:13):
all, to go outside and tryto like prove that this person couldn't see
me. I just think that,yeah, right, that's a pretty ballsy
move. Yeah, yeah. AndI feel like it was really interesting when
he attacks her, he just startstoying with her almost like you know,
he takes the knife and he kindof drags it around like he it's like
he's not I mean, if hejust wanted to kill her, he would

(44:35):
have just stabbed her, but he'skind of playing with her like like a
cat with a mouse. Would shedo like kick him? She does,
yeah something, and then she's sheruns up the stairs, and we know
from that scene earlier that she hasthat weird closet door trick that she can
like block her own door, andso we know that, you know that,
we know that's what she's doing whenshe goes in there, and she
sets that up right away, andthen she realizes the phone is still like

(44:58):
off the hook, so she triesto use her puter to call nine one
one, which I thought was alsovery clever. What is that a thing?
Was that ever a thing? Idon't know, because ever know that
you could ever call and okay ifthe phone was off the hook. This
was the aid of dial up.Well, yes, but if you were
someone that had dial up, Ido remember that like nine times out of

(45:20):
ten you ended up getting a dedicatedphone line for it because of that factor.
Like, if you were somebody thatactually did have dial up and use
the internet in this time, Ifeel like you didn't. You didn't see
like I think my dad did.We we had we had and in college
I didn't even have that. Wehad a feature where if somebody called,

(45:42):
it would knock you off the internet, knock you off the dialogue, so
then it would go in. Sowe didn't have a dedicated phone line.
Now maybe again she may have hadthat with like her dad is going away
for business and is using it.But I mean I just kind of like,
was this everything. I don't knowabout that, but at that time,
because that was when my dad wasdoing property management in addition to his

(46:04):
full time job with the county sheriff, and so he had a business line
for the real estate and I thinkwe used that for the dial up so
that it wouldn't interfere with like ourhouse line. So to me that felt
very natural that like her computer stillworked while the phone worked. But I
will say I completely agree with you, like I was. To me,
it was almost like I was learningthat in that movie, like is that
a thing? Can you can you? Can you do that? Can you

(46:25):
get on line and call nine oneone? But whatever, I just kind
of accepted it, like, Okay, fine, I don't think that was
ever a thing. I think thatis a thing that they made up for
the movie because I don't ever rememberhearing anybody ever doing that. That that
just I think that was that wasmade up. And they're like, oh,
you know, new technology, We'rejust going to slide this in there.

(46:46):
And I'm like, now that thatnever happened, that never existed.
Yeah, I feel like I don'tknow that much about it, and I
feel like I had never seen thatbefore. So but you know, at
least we get the cups heading there. But then we see that Billy comes
to the window which is still wideopen. Right okay, but okay,

(47:08):
so yeah, so she took anap. She locked all the stuff downstairs,
because wherever she goes around she locksall the windows and all the doors.
But her bedroom window is still wideopen, and there's a serial killer
on the loose, right, somuch so that she's going to go stay
with another family and not be homealone this weekend. Right, But yet

(47:29):
so her bedroom windows wide open,and okay, we have to accept that
because Billy did this before. ButI wrote down in my notes creepy as
fuck. Yeah, he pops intothe window at that time, and he
drops a cell phone, which immediatelynow in the audience we are considering Billy
as a possibility now, like thissets it up. And that's another thing
I think if if you're watching itfor the first time now, you'd be

(47:52):
like, so, he dropped hiscell phone. I dropped my cell phone
about ten times a day, Likenot a big deal. But in nineteen
ninety six terms, when no onereally had cell phones, it was super
suspicious. Yeah, this would havebeen super yeah, super suspicious because no
one had them so or a fewpeople had them. Yes, And for

(48:12):
everybody today to understand, if you'reyou know, catching this movie, well
after the nineteen ninety six there wasnot this like GPS capability with phones like
there is now either, you know, there was not like like now you
would think, like, well,there's GPS tracking on a phone, like
why couldn't you tell where that phonewas when all this was happening. And
you know, there's a lot more, especially now with you want to talk
about creepy. If you have yourGoogle Location services turned on, there are

(48:37):
some things. There's a podcast calledto Live and Die in La Give it
a listen. It's a true crimepodcast and they use they still haven't completely
been able to resolve the entire case, but they literally just by using Google
Location services that were turned on onaccounts through laptops and phones, are able

(48:59):
to investigate every thing. And soeverywhere you carry your phone now it can
be tracked no matter what. Andit's it is kind of crazy to know
how much Google knows about you.It's that podcast in particular, shows you
like, like I totally believe thatbecause you know, I have like an
Amazon Alexa, I have a GoogleHome little pod guy. They're always listening.

(49:23):
And the creepiest thing is when youare talking about something and then you
go on your Facebook feed and yousee an ad for it and you're like,
fuck, big brother, like you'rejust watching me now. I'm kind
of like, well, I'm notdoing anything wrong, so I don't know
if somebody's gonna use that to find, you know, my murderer. I

(49:45):
don't know. I'll let them listenin a little bit. It's it's when
it's when we start entering like thenineteen eighty four year. Yeah, that's
that's when I'll start to worry.And then I'll just go off grid and
and I don't know, live ina commune somewhere, But right now,
I'm not If you can catch killers, if you can take somebody's DNA and

(50:08):
process it, and I will leadyou to some distant relative who committed you
know, like the Zodiac killer,I'm like, awesome, that sounds great
to me. Take all you want. I know, I'm sure I will
regret saying that in you know,twenty years when well, I think,
yeah, I think that there thereare implications beyond being packed as a murderer

(50:30):
that can become a little problematic withsome of that stuff. But um,
I will say, if you ifyou get a chance, just you know,
one friend to another, definitely checkout that to live in Dianella podcast.
It's really good. I don't knowit sounds I don't know. If
I want to, it'll like freakme out too much. It's eye opening
I mean, it's pretty amazing,and you know, it just kind of
confirms how much you can be tracked, which is in a lot in a

(50:52):
lot of ways pretty awesome when itcomes to police work and private investigation.
It's it's kind of awesome, buton the same time as like a citizen
and just kind of knowing that,like wow, like my every move really
could be traced just by how muchGoogle knows where I've been. So it's
it's kind of crazy. Um,I'm waiting for it to be okay to

(51:12):
like, you know, tag mychildren like just you know, looking hat,
you know, just you true littletraitor in that so that I can
locate them at all times. ButI don't know if that's that's considered okay,
But what I think is it's funny. So Dewey comes over and Billy's
arrested, you know, and he'slike we find out his last name Loomis,

(51:34):
which I'm like, wow, thatis just Louis is such a big
name in all the horror horror films. I don't know if I ran into
somebody with the last name Loomis,I'd be very suspicious after all of the
horror fees because isn't it. It'sthe doctor, right, the doctor in
Halloween is lasting Halloween seventy eight.It's uh, it's doctor Loomis and it's

(51:55):
spelled exactly that way, and thatwe know later on us, especially in
this movie, that in this world, in Screams world, they are aware
of the nineteen seventy eight Halloween becausethey watched it at the party later,
so they know that Loomis is that. But I think it's a it's a
great easter egg to have out there, you know. I thought that it
was. It was great. Irecognize it right away. I thought that

(52:15):
it was It was really good.We also learn through this interaction of Billy
getting arrested and them going to thepolice station. This is where we get
to know that Tatum and Dewey aresister and brother, because before at the
high school, we met Dewey,we saw him, but they did not.
We did not get informed as theaudience that he and Tatum are related
until this scene. And that's whenTatum's like, okay, Deputy Dewey,

(52:37):
like, she's staying at our housetonight. Mom already knows, you know,
And so then we see this kindof great brother sister banter between them,
which I thought was super cute.But another thing I had a problem
though, before they even get tothe police station. So they need some
more competent a CSI investigation because they'reholding out of this uh mask, no
gloves, No, no gloves here, here's this mask we found outside?

(53:00):
Where are your gloves? Have younever watched any sort of police investigation show?
I mean, well, and especiallysince now we know over time criminal
investigations have changed so much with theyou know, advances in science, so
we have a different language now oftalking about DNA and all this kind of
stuff. But let's let's go allthe way back to how long have we

(53:22):
been using finger prints? Like that'sbeen around for a very long time,
so gloves should just be a given, yes. But at the same time,
Dowey in the same in one handis holding the mask and is waving
his gun around like a maniac withthe other hand like the sinner, you
know, like, oh my god, dude, what are you doing?

(53:44):
So maybe we're supposed to recognize thatpoor police work and that Dewey is sort
of a kind of well, Idon't know, yeah, a little bit
of an idiot or a little bitof like a novice. He's a brand
new cop, you know, doesn'treally know what he's doing. He's not
some seasoned detective, and so wewouldn't expect him to have some like really

(54:04):
insightful conclusions during all this. Youknow, they kind of set his character
up like that. And after theyquestion Billy and they question Sydney and you
know, they're trying to get Sydneyout of the police station. This is
when Gail Weather shows up and wesee how bitchy she really is. I'm
sorry, Melissa, how are youwalking right past Billy's dad's hair? Oh

(54:29):
that and his bad suit, hisbad suit. I have a big note
dad's hair and bad suit. Hairis probably where the apple didn't fall far
from the tree with Billy that greasy, like, oh my god, it's
they need to get herself to astylist stat because, I mean, wherever

(54:50):
the two of them are going forhair product and cuts, they need to
just find somewhere else, somewhere else, completely poor. It's just it's really
really bad. I and I doI love you were talking about Dowey An
Tatum's uh interaction, but I lovelove when due he's like he's my suspirior

(55:12):
and she goes the janitor is you'resuper And I just like laughed out loud.
I'm like, oh, that issuch a brother sister relationship. I
have an older brother. I meanwe would just give each other shit all
the time. I Mean they actlike you could totally see that they are
brother and sister. And she's like, hey, you dufus, like come
on, like mom knows, likelet's get out of here, Like she

(55:35):
is definitely the stronger of the twopersonalities. And it's just it's it's very
charming and hilarious because I was like, oh, yeah, they're definitely.
I do love it, and theydefinitely And they use that scene to kind
of explain away that like it wasBilly's you know, like his parents knew
about the cell phone and he getscleared of suspicion. You know, he

(55:59):
ends up get released the next day, But there's still something as an audience
member, you're not still one hundredpercent bought it, Like you're like,
that was weird. Why did thisguy show up and have a cell phone?
You know, so you already likeyou are suspecting him, even though
it's set up that like oh yeah, you know he's cleared out, He's
like, he's so creepy in thatpolice station. Two, he's like staring

(56:24):
at Sydney and like looking in everyinteraction, like I feel he's so over
the top, especially going back andlooking at it again, like Sydney I
didn't do it, like when he'sgetting arrested, and then even in the
police station, like he turns aroundand he stares at her. Really,
is that the best thing that youshould be doing at this point in time,

(56:46):
Like should you be really staring ather that much? For me,
it was all of these interactions andall these things with Billy. It had
me asking the question in my head, how did these two get together?
Like how do they start dating?I'm trying to figure out how someone who,
to me is so obviously predatory AndI don't mean that in a murdery

(57:07):
way. I mean, is itlike a sexual way? It was clearly
so like skivy and predatory, andhe's that I don't know that guy that
It's just like I feel like forme, my alarm bells would have been
up right away. He's not onthe surface in any way a charmer.
You know, It's not like youwere like unless he was planning it maybe,

(57:28):
but it's like how did those whoget together? That was always to
me kind of but it's like,I guess, as an audience member,
you just have to sort of likeassume that there's some sort of backstory there
that brought them together because they havebeen dating for two years and so obviously
and if he's getting weird now,maybe this is a new version of Billy
that like, as the audience members, we are seeing, but that Sydney's

(57:50):
not really she's got some kind ofclouded glasses onto it, because that's a
boyfriend for two years, Like she'snot looking at him like that. But
you know, but I do thinkthat they do a good job of letting
us know that. Even Sydney questionshim like what were you doing there?
Why did you have a cell phone? Like she's suspicious too, so they
try to sneak her out the back. Well, they also make a big

(58:12):
deal that they can't get ahold ofSydney's dad. So you're already seeing like
all these different suspects, yeah,being thrown there like well maybe it's Sydney's
dad, you know, and againtoo bad, there's he doesn't have a
cell phone. So they yeah,call me. It was like okay,
Billy. Then there was for me, even Dewey was a suspect because I

(58:34):
was like, wow, he justturned up real quick with her little computer
nine one one call, and thathappens to be Dewey, not someone else
from the police department. And thenso I had suspected both of them,
and then they added in the Dad. So then for me at this point
in the movie, the first viewingof it, I had those three in
my mind, like okay, sonow I've got the three possibilities, and
that's kind of where where I was, because I will admit I definitely remember

(58:57):
suspecting Dewey drawn my first watch,because I thought, well, that would
be a good throw Yeah, makeit Dewey, who is the weirdo that's
wolf and sheep's clothing being a cop. Yeah. And I definitely kind of
almost suspected Gail for a while too, because she was so she's just like,
I'm going to make my own story, right, right, like everybody,

(59:20):
but just go after everybody and makemy own. I'm gonna be the
star in my own story. Sure, And that would have been there's a
movie there, there's a movie there. So you know, so when they
try to the press is on thepolice station again, they try to sneak
Sydney out the back, and Gailshows up because she figures she dupes it
and figures out like, oh,they're gonna try to sneak out the back.
So she's the only reporter that getsback there, and she gets in

(59:42):
Sydney's face about her mom. Andthat's when we realize that Gail has written
a book about the murders and thinksthat Sydney fingered the wrong guy at the
trial. Yeah, and so that'show we understand now why there's so much
tension between Sydney and Gail, right, Like I think at first, you
know, it was hard to telllike quite why Sydney was so hostile whenever

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Gail was around, And now youget it, like you're like, oh,
okay, Sydney definitely starts to wonderif maybe she did finger the wrong
guy. Like in later scenes,she's like, well, you know,
they can't get it a hold tomy dad. There's these other murders happening
that seem to be tied to meand are related, and you know,

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Gail is kind of like pouncing allover that, like she's like, well,
yeah, and almost planting the ideain her mind, you know that,
Hey, did you think about that? Did you think that maybe it's
the same person because you fingered thewrong man that's in jail, because you
know now you're involved thereafter you whyyou know? And so it does.
It's like Gail serves a purpose ofalmost planting it in Sydney's mind that,
Okay, I'm the main character inthis movie. You know. It's like

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Sydney suddenly is the focus. Andso I think like at this point we
realize that in the movie too,and we see Sydney punch out Gail,
which is a pretty great shot like, oh, we've all wanted to do
at some point with somebody who's beingdamn bitch went down. Yeah. I
love Tatum's lie later, like tatinghim as like the best best friend,

(01:01:07):
like she is like Sydney's cheerleader anddefender and she is like not putting up
with end bullshit. Of course,then they get a call the mom comes
in. Sydney, you have aphone call. Why is the mom not
asking who is this? Right?Like I did find that a little strange

(01:01:27):
because it was like, yeah,why wouldn't the mom have asked more questions,
especially after everything the girls have beenthrough today. If I had been
on the phone, I'd been like, is this mister Prescott? Like obviously
they probably know each other, shedidn't recognize the voice. I would have
been like, I would have beenlike, who is this and why do
you want to talk to her?She's been through a lot tonight. That
would have been It just seems weirdthat obviously it's a plot device and trying

(01:01:49):
to you know, and because alsothe other things thinking that, you would
think that the mom would be fieldingany skiby reporters trying to talk to her,
Like That's what I was thinking.I was like, what if that
was like a report order trying tosay, oh, I'm just can I
talk to Sydney? And then it'slike another reporter battering her, so like
or why isn't Dewey answering the phone? This is a little yeah, this

(01:02:10):
was this is a little weird,Like, so the mom's answering the phone,
okay, and understand, but yourson's a cop. Why isn't he
answering the phone? Wouldn't that makesense since there's a murder on the loose,
and it seems to be targeting agirl that is in your house.
That just was I was like,I was so confused by that. I
was like that, Mom, youtook a vacation. I don't know,

(01:02:31):
maybe she had a guess a lineor six and she was just not thinking
either that or she she has notasked enough questions about what has gone on
today with these girls and Joy andthat they came from the police station,
because what the fuck shee? Hermom card needs to get pulled, Like,
sorry, Tatum's mom, We're gonnago ahead. Hey, you know
what, I can't say that I'mentirely surprised by that, considering the outfits

(01:02:53):
of Tatum goes to school, andMom's clearly not the game, not because
that girl is in some half topsand some any skirts and I can see
all her business going on, rightShe's going to school looking like that.
Mom clearly is not that involved,is my assessment. So I guess I
can chalk this up to maybe Momwasn't a stellar But I agree it's a
little loose in the plot there withthat for sure, and it definitely sets

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everybody up for basically getting Billy outof jail. Because she receives a call
from the killer, so it couldn'thave been Billy. Billy's in jail if
hammers home again, that like too, And also as the audience members,
now we're unsure, right, like, well, okay, so he still
feel a guy because he's Kibi.Yeah, like it feels obvious that it

(01:03:38):
would be him, But now they'rethrowing us off, so I don't know.
Now, now, maybe I doneed to look at some of the
other characters. And yeah, thegirls go to bed, they go to
school the next day. Dewey dropsthe girls off at school and there's another
reporter that comes out, and thisis where we get a real clear shot
of Linda Blair from all the actressfrom The Exorcist, which I thought was
really cool. Gail and her frostlips are coming at her, yes,

(01:04:00):
and Sid actually approaches Gale. Sonow Sydney goes up to her, and
we learn a lot more about thebook and that um Sydney would have fingered
the wrong candid. I wrote inmy notes, so many bangs in this
scene, like Corny Cox's brown bangsand Sydney's bangs, and I'm like,
oh, just all the bangs andI totally that is very on point for
that time. Lots and lots ofbangs when when they were in high school,

(01:04:23):
and not not mall bangs, butbangs, you know, like just
everything either. And then it waslike things were trying to mention to like
a side sweat bang, but theywere still pretty short, so it's like
they were bangs. Yes, lotsof layers, lots of bangs, lots
of highlights. Yes, we canhighlights. We can blame Jennifer Anderson for
that, which I'm not totally against. I'm not gonna lie. And then

(01:04:43):
okay, so then they go intothe school and then you have all these
assholes running around in ghost bace masks. Yeah, the funds comes in and
then like expels them. But Iam like, um, okay, I
can understand and that teenagers can beassholes, and they can their sense of

(01:05:06):
i don't know, decorum or appropriatenesscan be not up to snuff. But
this is just, honestly, I'mso glad you said that because it's all
I could think about, especially youknow, and as I've said before on
this show that I am a highschool teacher and unfortunately this year we lost

(01:05:30):
a student was killed in a caraccident just last week, and teenagers don't
act like this. No, youcould have heard a pin drop at school.
Yeah, we got to school thenext morning. It was like over
labor day weekend, and it wasthe next day. Our principal did have
to come on and make an announcementand talk about it because he needed to

(01:05:51):
let kids know the services that wereavailable to them while they're at school.
It was devastating everybody, even ifyou didn't know that student. And so
I did struggle with this because Iknow that in many movies we villainize teenagers
and you know, feel like thatthey are so self centered and so and
you know, there's a lot oftruth to some of that. But I

(01:06:12):
will say I too had that reactionof like, are these assholes for real?
This would never There's no way thatthose kids would treat the severity of
this and be joking around like thatat all. I could see a couple
of assholes doing that. And thenyeah, somebody else being like no,
like not people laughing, but peoplelooking in horror is what And especially since

(01:06:33):
that's so fresh, like the factthat it just happened, I don't think,
but you know, the Fonds asthe principle. Can we just talk
about the Fonds because Henry Winkler justis a little magical gemin this. I
love all his announcements over the PA. Your principle loved you kids. I

(01:06:56):
mean I love him with the scissorsand the scissors and then the sound again,
the sounds with the scissors, andit's like, yeah, he's like
I should gut you, and Iam like, you are speaking my language.
Yes, we know that today ifthat happened, he would be fired
immediately, right, which is realsad because those kids needed to hear exactly

(01:07:16):
what he was serving up. Theyneeded to hear exactly what he was serving
up, I'm sure, especially ina wealthy area like that. You know,
you get a parent that gets wintothat and all of a sudden,
now the five o'clock news is talkingabout the principle. That's a degenerate.
So but unfortunately we don't have tothink about that because the Fonds is a
gem as the principal in this.He does such a good job confronting the

(01:07:38):
student. You know, he givesthat great performance. And I love the
little trivia piece that I had noidea was a thing that He asked to
be uncredited in the movie because hewanted the focus to be on these younger
actors making their way. And I'mlike, Fonds is just the very wink
when you are a gem, youare a national treasure. Did you used
to watch Happy Days? Yeah?Yes, me too. I totally watched

(01:08:01):
it and like, well, itwas obviously the reruns, but I loved
it. I love the Fonds.Oh my god, yeah, the best.
Well, and then Sydney runs intoBilly, and Billy is at peak
asshole in this whole scene. Yes, and again another like, see,
it couldn't have been me. Iwas in jail. Like he's they're playing
that real hard I have, forfuck's sake, with the lack of empathy,

(01:08:26):
give this girl a break. He'slike, you should get over your
mom's dath. Oh god, I'msorry what and tries to compare it to
his situation that his mom like leftthem, and she's like, your mom
left, My mom was brutally murdered. Different Billy, She's not coming.
He said, oh, well,there's a bad analogim just like you think

(01:08:47):
your selfish prick. Yeah. Hejust gives off so many creepy bibs yes,
very selfish. Yeah, but rightbefore this um there is a quotable
quote in there that I use allthe time to this day, when before
Sydney bumps into build it Billy,she's standing there with Tatum and Stu and
those kids run by, and Sydney'stotally appalled, and Stu goes, look

(01:09:08):
at this place. It's like Christmas, you know, and he's just laughing
and thinks it's great. And Tatumknocks him on that head. But there's
a stupidity leak. I do thatall the time. I go to Sidney,
leak, what are you doing?You know, Like I'll say it
to my students, or I'll say, I mean, you know, just
like stop that stop. No,yeah, that's not what we do.
That's not how you act. Tatum'sthe best best friend ever. Everybody should

(01:09:30):
have a Tatum in her life.Everyone, yes, everyone. And then
they go into the bathroom. Theyhave the cheerleader, that's the blonde cheerleader,
and then her little gaddy bitchy friendwho's standing here. The cheerleader she's
she's got some astute analysis in here. Yes, she's like, you know,
maybe it's Sydney. And Sydney wentcrazy, and I am like,
wow, I was like this girl, this girl's got some astute analysis in

(01:09:55):
here and really smashing those, uhthe stereotypes of a dumb cheerleader. Well,
I will say for me, itwas a total flip side of the
previous part of this scene where Isaid that the kids having that lack of
empathy of like running through the hallwaysand making a joke out of this.
I felt like this bathroom scene wasvery true to life. The gossip would
be rampant a situation like this real, you know. So the idea of

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Sydney overhearing these girls in the bathroomthat I could completely see happening, and
I do agree with you. Ithink it was. It was some great
conversation and I actually wrote my notes, I put how would this look today
with like the internet and social media, you know, like would it be
the overheard conversation in the bathroom orwould it be more like on your devices.

(01:10:41):
I think there'd be some of both. I still think that people would
be like ducking into corners and havingsecret conversations because there's stuff, I mean,
you just can't quite get over textmessage and you know, things like
that. I have a question foryou, since you work at a high
school, is there graffiti in thebathrooms? Sometimes we handle it right away.

(01:11:05):
It's something that it doesn't it's notallowed to stay. We have this
trend happening in my school where theboys are breaking the sinks off of the
walls what I don't know why general, and so we actually had to board
we had to at board off someof our boys bathrooms last year. It
got so bad. And so graffitiin the bathroom wouldn't be allowed to stay.

(01:11:29):
So sometimes I feel like in thesescenes where you see all of this
crazy rampant graffiti, it's like theywould never let us stay like that.
They'd actually even close that bathroom ifit was something that and then it would
get painted over and scrubbed off immediately. That would not stay. But what
is with these teenage but we're havinga problem with that in our neighborhood where
there's kids setting board of potties onfire. What is like, Okay,

(01:11:50):
I'm sorry, you know that I'ma camel and so I don't like to
go to the bathroom. Okay,but there's a ton of people that I
hang out with that go to thebathroom, Like one hundred fifty freaking times,
and for the amount of times thatI go to the bathroom is like
once, right, And so clearlywe all as a society can understand that
we would like to have access tobathroom facilities. Yeah, therefore, why

(01:12:13):
would you destroy it when you're theasshole that needs it? Like, I
don't understand that your asshole, literallyyour asshole needs it, Like what is
happening? I know, I'm flooredby it too. I don't really understand
why that is a thing and whyit's happening. And I'm hoping, you
know, but it's a lot ofmoney to fix what these kids are broken
in our school and I'm just like, this is this is nuts. The

(01:12:36):
other thing I wrote down about thisbathroom conversation with a little star with the
reference to the Ricky Lake talk show. Did you catch that? So that's
something that people right now might havea hard time like understanding what that combat
meant. So I remember watching RickyLake when I was a kid in high
school particularly, and remember like atthis time, the I would call it

(01:12:58):
your afternoon because it definitely was stuffthat was on after school. This wasn't
daytime. But you had a lotof these like sketchy talk shows. So
you had your you know, JerrySpringer, you had Ricky Lake, Jenny
Jones, all of that, likeJesse Raphael, see Jesse Raphael, and
then like your classy ones were likeOprah and Haraldo in the mornings, you
know, but you're after school oneswere like straight garbage and you loved it.

(01:13:21):
It was like right before reality TVstarted to explode. This was about
as close to reality TV as youwould get, where they get these guests
people just real people, not necessarilylike celebrities or anything, just real people
that have some sort of story tohash out or fight about or something weird.
And so I was like, oh, yeah, Ricky Lake, Like
I wonder if people would get thatnow. And then Sid gets attacked in
the bathroom. I love the whispers. I love like I love that creepy

(01:13:44):
Like you hear the whispers and it'sjust ooh, it's so creepy. And
the feet come down. Yeah,and you see the boots and the feet
come down, and I just haveagain. I was drinking a lot of
wine. I just have fuck.And then she has the badass slide.
I was like, you go,and she just like makes it out of

(01:14:05):
the bathroom and books it and Iwas like, why were the authority not
contacted immediately? Yeah, where arethe cops? Well they And I also
loved how in that scene it waslike the feet dropped first and then you
saw the robe come down, Likethat was just a that was a great
touch. I felt like it waslike because at first it's like those ominous
feet come down, but then it'slike your heart really skips a beat when

(01:14:27):
the robe comes down because you knowit's the guy in the costume. So
I really I really liked that.I mean, it was a really great
scene. And then we also seea lot of Gail and Dewey flirting,
which I thought I wrote down wasjust super cute because we know that they
married in real life. Unfortunately theyhave parted, but in real life they
did end up getting married. CourtneyCooks and David Arkett. I was gonna

(01:14:47):
say, it's our Kett, Davidar Kett. Yeah, And so principal
canceled school, so the fans canceledschool. Says that there's a citywide curfew,
everybody's got to be in by ninepm, and do decides to have
an impromptu party at his house.Of course, I love Stu. I
love Stu. He's not always appropriate, but he is just this goofy,

(01:15:10):
funny dude and like life of theparty. And of course he's going to
have a party. Girls like funny. Girls like funny. So they have
this, they're planning this party.You've just had two of your classmates,
butchard you've had your friend attacked twice. Yet everybody, all the parents seem

(01:15:31):
to be okay with sending their childrenout to a party. If that were
my kids, I would have themon lock down. I'd be like,
you are not setting foot out ofthis house. There is a very notable
absence of parents in this, forsure, And I felt the same way.
They're they're having wine with Tatum's mom. They're all just they're all supposed

(01:15:57):
we're supposed to assume that there's justa lot of apps and tea parenting happen
here, happening here because Jude's parentsare out of town. Right, That's
why he's having the party because hisparents are gone. Right. We see
that they're going to plan this,but it cuts back to the Funds trying
on the mask in his office,and so for a second we're kind of
like, oh, oh my God, is it the funds? Yeah,
you know, like for the audience. And um, there's a great little

(01:16:19):
nod to Freddy Krueger here when thejanitor comes out is wearing the striped sweater
and his names Dred And that's actuallyWes Craven playing that role. It's a
director. Yes, that's a director, cameo. He's actually playing that janit.
Oh, I didn't realize it washim. I was just I just
laughed the fact that it was Freddy. And unfortunately, this is where we

(01:16:40):
lose the fonds. Yeah, hegets he gets taken out, and so
that's pretty sad. I do.I felt really bad when the principal got
killed. And then we cut tothis scene of Tatum in Sydney. And
this is where I am going tojump on your statement of Tatum being the
world's best best friend, because notonly have we seen her defense Sydney,

(01:17:04):
we have seen her care about Sydney. We've seen her, you know,
have Sydney's back and just be rightthere for her. But then in this
scene is where Tatum actually sits downand has what we would call a difficult
conversation with her best friend, like, wow, let's talk about your mom.
You know, maybe she wasn't whoyou thought. You can only hear

(01:17:27):
a rumor so many times when rightquestion, which I mean is like terrible
because you don't want to think thatyour mom was like, you know,
sleeping with half of course half theneighborhood. But I agree with you again,
like Tatum as a character, likeright here is where it just solidifies
that she is a great character.You know. It's like because she she's

(01:17:48):
playing that typical best friend role thatcould be very interchangeable, stick any actress
in it whatever, But it's likethe way Rose McGowan plays it, and
then the way it's written. Ijust think that, like you have this
respect for Tatum even though she isthis minors like side character in it.
She's just, I don't know,she's so great in the scene in just

(01:18:12):
the way that you would approach yourbest friend about something you know that she's
sensitive about and you know, couldpossibly hurt her feelings, and she just
like it's written for her to navigateit in such a nice, mature way,
you know, and even though shestill is her when she says the
Richard gear Gerbil story, because that'ssomething that's very Tatum to say it's just
but ye. At the same time, there's a maturity there that is pretty

(01:18:32):
awesome in the scene, and theyhave this really great they have this really
great conversation and there's a remark about, you know, this isn't some West
Carpenter flick or that I'm going tobe in West Carpenter flick or whatever,
which is another nod to West Cravenand John Carpenter. And so while Tatum
and Sydney are having this in depthconversation, Randy and Stu are at the
video store. We discover that Randyworks at the video store. And this

(01:18:55):
is some great comedy and great sceneshere where Randy confines to do that he
thinks Billy's still a suspect. Yeah, so even though they're all kind of
in this friend group, we seethat Randy's kind of got Billy's number a
little bit. Yeah, and Randy, Randy just stays so crazy, like
he's hilarious because he just like hestarts getting real amped up because he's all
about the you know, the moviesand the formulas and what happens, and

(01:19:18):
he I mean, he just screamingin the middle of the video store and
everybody's just looking at him like,yeah, hell is we're out with you
kid. Everybody's a suspect. Heestablishes that he's our movie experts, you
know, so he's the one thatstarts laying this out there. And we
also learn that Randy has a crushon Sydney, so that also becomes apparent

(01:19:41):
in this scene. Billy's involved inthe scene, and I think it just
plays out really great, and JamieKennedy and Stu just really steal it with
the comedy in the scene. Ithink that they play it really well,
the like comedic paranoia, yeah exactly. I also love when Billy comes in
and over and you see him andStu, one of them is behind Randy

(01:20:03):
and the other ones in front,and it just even not even if you
just watch it, it looks verysinister because it's all this extreme close up
of them and the way that StuBilly are looking at each other and they're
like, well, maybe it's youknow you. It's even though as an
audience member we still don't know whothe killer is, we still feel like

(01:20:27):
Randy's very vulnerable in that moment becausewhen Billy approaches, it's like all of
a sudden, like Randy's side manout, like him and Strong are looking
like friends for a second there,but we get somehow we can feel that
like Stu and Billy are really friendsyea, And the way Billy approaches suddenly
it makes Randy look really vulnerable inthis Like I was kind of like,
oh, dude, cut this shitoff and get away from those two,
you know what I mean. AndI didn't know at that point who the

(01:20:47):
killer is. It's still just thereis something about the way they're standing and
the approach, and their body languagechanges, and even Stue's body language changes
and the way they're talking, andall of a sudden, Randy's clearly odd
man out and he seems very vulnerablein that moment, like get away from
them. I don't know why,but just get away from them. Sidney

(01:21:08):
and Tatum are shopping for party refreshmentsand we see share the sheriff tell Dewey
that it was Sidney's father's phone thatwas used to make the phone calls.
Right, as an audience, weget this in the know behind the scenes
conversation of Dewey like, oh,it was his phone. So now,

(01:21:30):
as an audience member, when thisparty happens, you really don't know what
you're looking for here, And Iactually wrote Stew's party, Does he have
parents? Like? What is goingon? His parents apparently are out of
town, but they have a pimphouse. So apparently that house that they
shot at. The reason they gotthat house was because the occupants had recently

(01:21:50):
passed away. Talk about adding alevel of creep to that. That helps
the characters feel a little funky thoseactors, right, So I guess that
adds to it. And then wediscovered that Dewey's there, and so is
Gail. So Gail's still chasing thestory. She's she's got her nose to
the grindstone of like, Okay,here's what we do. I'm gonna follow
the kids the kids are involved in. She's the only reporter that figures us

(01:22:13):
out. So she is there withher cameraman in the van, and then
Dewey shows up, and here's Idid have a real problem with Dewey and
Gail going into the party because Iwas like, are you fucking kidding me?
That Dewey would walk in see allthose kids drinking and be like,
nah, it's all right right,what? No, No, that's not
how law enforcement works. Even ifthey wanted to, Like it's like when

(01:22:38):
you have a uniform on and yougo in and you blatantly ignore this,
and now you have something happened lateron, maybe not even serial killer murder
related at all. One of thosekids gets in a private drives home,
you witness the underage drinking. Youwere supposed to do something about that,
Like, I just I had areal problem with that. Like I was
like, Okay, I can acceptthat Dewey's supposed to be like our novice

(01:22:58):
policeman, and we're supposed to kindof accept that he's a little bit of
a dufus, but come on withthe not don't worry about it. Go
ahead. I mean he he notonly sees it, he has a line
in the movie to acknowledge you're drinking. Oh song, you better put that
away. No, I'm just kidding. No, you're a cop. You're
not kidding. Get the fucking alcoholout of there. So I thought that

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was a little weird. That wasthat was really weird, Like what are
you trying to be the cool kid? Yeah, it's just what it feels
like, like, oh, okay, I'm not a mom, I'm a
cool mom. Like I'm exactly whatit feels like, No, you're my
child, because this mom ain't thecool mom. This mom is the this

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this mom's the real deal, andpulling on that shit under my roof.
If more parents knew their state lawsabout exactly how liable they are if their
kids are drinking on their property,parents would think a lot differently about Oh,
well, at least they're drinking atmy house. Yeah, guess what
you gonna do the time. Yeah, at least in Illinois, you are.

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It's gonna be you that those kids, they'll be fine. It's gonna
be you mom. It's gonna becool mom, cool mom. Yeah,
Gail's walking around with this camera andyeah, that cameras it in and it's
huge. She sneaks it in andbe like, no one's gonna notice this
giant camera sitting here. I mean, granted, they are drinking, so

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maybe they won't notice it. Butshe kind of puts it in the entertainment
center, so I guess maybe somebodywouldn't really notice it. But it's clever
enough. I guess she does plantthe camera, and that's a very Gail
thing to do. And then welearn when she goes back outside that there's
a delay on the camera, right, And so unfortunately Tum goes out into

(01:24:45):
the garage and Dave's like, oh, we know the scene. He's like,
everybody knows this scene. Tatum withit miss out, yeah, like
and she gets locked in and andpoor Tatum, I mean, talk about
having some brass balls on her.She's not running screaming because you've had how

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many people butchered in your town alreadyor attack whatever, no one ever seems
scared of seeing. And I wonderedabout they all think that it's a joke,
And I was like, but it'snot a joke. Who people died
already? Like two people were?Well, the only thing that I can
think of. So I thought aboutthis too. And so here were the
assessments that kind of came as possibilitiesin my mind. Number one was that

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maybe that was the reason why wedid see those kids act like such assholes
at the school, because we're supposedto accept the fact that later on Tatum
very well could believe that this wasjust one of her peers pulling a prank
because it's what they've been dealing withall day at school. Yeah. Secondly,
the only thing that I feel likecould also be part of it,

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and it's different for us now withthe technology in our hands at all times.
But like how aware was everybody aboutthe mask? Oh? Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, Likeyou know what I like? You know,
yeah, Like maybe Tatum knew thatthere was like maybe in the news
it had said that there was themask, but then like it didn't really

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strike her as like it's the exactsame like right away, like she's like
huh, and then the kids likemaking fun. I don't know, like
I kind of felt like maybe herAnd also she was in a safe zone
and she's at her boyfriend's house,so like she doesn't immediately think like the
fucking killers in the garage with meor kidding me. We're at the part
like I'm here with my friends,how would you have gotten in here?
And so I can kind of understandit first how she's not buying it.

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So I feel like this scene isall shot and set up to be kind
of like the typical like Damsel andDistress kill where it's like she is kind
of looking up at the guy andshe's not real, you know, sure
what's going on at first, andshe's got some really great quips and sarcasm
and all that, And I thinkthat like the way it feels very much

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set up to be like a verytypical female getting killed in a movie.
So she she so poor Tatum,she gets she gets slicing diised, and
she's trying to escape through the petdoor in the garage, and we have
this great slasher flick scene of herbieand half and half out of the garage
and death right from the pet door. Did you read okay, I am

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I AMDB trivia that she um literallywas Rose McCowan was so small that she
kept on falling through the pet door, so they had to staple her shirt
to the door so that she wouldn'tfall out. And I was like,
oh, man, must be niceto be a teeny tiny like I such

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it can't even imagine she'll at leastshe knows for future, Like It's true,
if you ever need to escape,you couldn't fit through a pet door.
But I don't know if I've everwanted to try that. But again,
at least she knows she won't getstuck. Well, I have to
admit I was very curious again tryingto think about the layout of this house
and what's happening, like Gayale andDewey just left the house and Tatum's hanging

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out the garage. How was thatnot visible from wherever? Like they were
parked? And we thought the samething when we were watching Dave and I.
Dave's like, where's the garage?How could no one see this?
Like from the from the front,but you when you look at the house,
the garage is on side, likethe garage had to be something like
that. So the garage, likethe actual garage door is out like the

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side and of the back. Sothere must be like a driveway that goes
back there or around because the frontdoor. From the front door you can't
see the garage, which I waslike, makes sense, you know.
Okay, So nobody heard it,nobody, you know? Okay, fine,
And so now we know that thekiller is at the party for sure.
And so now as an audience,we're wondering. And now we see

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like Billy and Sydney go upstairs totalk. Well, I'm wondering. Okay.
So this killer has gotten i thinkprobably kicked in the balls a couple
of times. At this point,he has gotten beer bottles thrown and broken

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at him, which again movie magicbut I'm sure I don't know. If
I don't think those beer bottles wouldhave broken, they would have hurt like
hell, But he's getting beer bottlesthrown at him, Shards of glass are
everywhere. He's getting like beat upby different people. How are is he
not covered in bruises? How ishe still walking around? I mean,

(01:29:34):
this is guy's got to have someyou know, pretty hardy skin and yeah,
muddles, because yeah, we definitelyhaven't been able to, you know,
see any sort of telltale signs ofthat, which you know, again
we have to kind of suspend realitya little bit. But I agree with
you, it would have kind ofthrown like if if somebody has shown up

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with like, oh they have abruise somewhere or oh, it's like even
if it wasn't that person and itwas like, oh, you know,
I fell off my bike or whatever, or I got hurt at football practice
or something, but yeah, it'ssomething to explain. Okay, whoh he
has bruises. Maybe I just feellike, okay, this guy has gotten
kicked several times in the Crotchell region. Again, you know, as far

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as the guys, I know that'sthey're not going to be up bouncing bouncing
around now after that, well,and to remember, like in the movie,
at this point, we strongly believeas the audience that it's probably Sidney's
dad, So like we don't know, I mean, he could be bruise
injured and whatever, but like true, we haven't really very true as an

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audience member, we think it's him, like we are, like they've been
setting us up to really hardcore believethat. And so when Billy and Sidney
go upstairs because she wants to talkto him because clearly there's some tension now
between them that okay, okay,I thought you were going to murder me
and now we need to talk aboutit. And Gail goes back to the
van and I have written in mynotes Sydney falls for Billy's selfish nonsense and

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they have sex. You, yes, I wrote down, I feel like
you just he manipulated her so much. Oh, let's have a heart to
heart and she just like went rightin for it. Yeah. Oh,
and how much therapy are you gonnahave to go through for the rest of
your life? Let me just tellyou that therapist would have hit the gold

(01:31:26):
mine, because those appointments say neverstopping no ever, you're doing like you're
doing like daily therapy sessions for thenext fifty years. Absolutely, holy shit.
It just is so bizarre that Sidneyis such a strong character in so
many ways, and like this isher Achilles heel or something, and it's
just it does sit a little weirdwith me that, like, how would

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she be fallen for this guy's crap. No, it's almost like she's like,
Oh, I feel guilty for accusingyou of murder, so let's have
sex. Like I feel guilty versusacting you of brokering our classmate and attacking
me, So to apologize, let'shave sex. This is our moment.

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This is how I'm going to setthis up. And it's super romantic where
actually all our friends are downstairs andanyone could walk in at any time.
But yeah, let's do it righthere. Let's do that. And we're
at a party and there's a serialkiller on the loose, like, yeah,
but we had to have this happenbecause downstairs, Randy is going to
walk us through the rules. Sothe kids are all watching Halloween nineteen seventy

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eight and Randy introduces this idea ofthat there are rules in a horror movie
of who gets killed, and thatif you want to survive. His three
rules are that you can never havesex if you remain a virgin Sydney's which
all pass that that was a purposefulsetup because now we know Sydney is clearly
vulnerable, right, And that youcan never drink or do drugs. It's

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an extension of the sin factor ofnumber one. And then you can't say
I'll be right back, because younever are right back. And so I
love that Randy has these rules.I feel like Randy is one of those
people that I would have loved towork at the video store with him.
Yeah, if I was living inthis world and I was a teenager in

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the movie Scream, I would haveloved to have worked at a video store
with Randy and shot the ship withhim on a regular basis. Because his
lines about you know, the moviesand rules and having respect for the story
and how it's supposed to go.I love all that. I think it's
Yeah, it's really well done,and I think it's a great poke of
fun at this whole world of slasherflicks and horror, the horror genre.

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I think it's kind of neat forit to be like a little satire about
the whole thing is pretty great.And then the way that they clear the
house out of the extra kids isthere's a phone call that comes in letting
them know that the funds their principlegot killed and they and they want to
go see him strung up on thefootball field or something or whatever, and

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it's just total savagery. But Iguess we're supposed to assume that those kids
that were there were the ones thatgot spend it and they're mad at the
principle. Anyway, one of thekids, you definitely tell it's one of
the kids who who was suspended orwhatever. But yeah, I was like,
they rejoice and go, yeah,it's gross. And I think that
again, in this world, itworks because we've already seen the teenagers being

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like total assholes about this, soit's kind of like, well, okay,
it's a way to clear the houseof the extra characters. Yeah,
I gets them in the car andthen they run Gail and dow We off
the road and then they find NeilPrescott's car. Yes, so that's another
great way to create that, yeah, part of the plot. And so

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now we know that Gail and dowe have been distracted and then now they
have this new piece of information,and again that's confirming in our minds that
we think this is probably Sidney's dad. So as an audience members, they're
hitting that hard with us. Andso then we cut back to Sydney and
Billy after they've you know, donethe deed and they're going to have some

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getting read rest and putting themselves backtogether talk and Sidney asks about Billy's phone
call in jail. So here wesee that Sidney is still suspicious of Billy
on some level, like it's stillsneaking in the back of her brain,
like, so, what would youcall with your phone call? And I
love that she is still suspicious.She's still suspicious. Why the fuck did

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you throw with him? I waslike sitting, I was like so so
anously with them. Now you're you'relike, huh oh. You know.
All I'm gonna do is chalk thisup to all the ladies out there probably
can relate to this statement. Weall have had that one friend like what
are you doing? And you know, unfortunately, maybe it is supposed to

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be like a you know, likea weakness for her, or we have
to see some flaw in her characterbecause right now, it's like Sidney really
has been the perfect heroine of themovie. We have to have some kind
of character flaw for her. Andthis Billy shit is it? I mean
it really is? And I guessyou know, we can all think of
that one girlfriend where you've been likeseeing her make some real dumb decisions with

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a boy, and right that's kindof what I'm trying to chocolate up to.
So I have in my notes.Could Billy be any creepier in this
scene? Like the whole way thathe responds and everything. What do I
have to do to convince you thatI'm not I'm overkiller? With my forehead
stroble? I like, who you? Yeah, Sydney, get there.

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Other way that you can convince methat you're not the killer is oh,
the killer comes out and stab you. That's how you can convince me that
you're not the killer, because youare going to be dead like that.
That's that's how it is. AndI was like, well, genius on
that part, because yeah, sonow no one thinks that he's the killer.
That's exactly right. So like assoon as I you know, as
an audience member, I'm like havingthose sketchy vibes about Billy. Even though

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we heavily suspect that it's Sydney's dad, I'm still sketched out by him.
And then I'm actually very surprised thathe gets attacked by the ghost face killer,
right, and it's like, what'sgoing on here? M So City's
being chased and she has to goagain. She has to do for the
second time in the movie, thething that she made fun of, run
up the stairs instead of out thefront door, and she has to end

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up crawling out of an attic windowand jumping onto like what appears to be
a parked boat that she kind ofwell jumper comes out and she basically gets
flung out and thank god that theboat is there that she lands out,
which would still hurt a lot tobe flat out window and kind of crazy
that she was still mobile after that, but okay, it kind of helps

(01:37:30):
us realize, like she didn't hitthe ground, so she's not, you
know, completely unable to move.And then she sees Tatum, so now
she knows that Tatum's gone, andshe runs into drunk Randy. Randy I
just have Randy as all of us. I was like, he's just sitting
on the couch and there's the killerbehind him about ready to to slice and
dice, and and he's just sittingthere. And then the killer hears city

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and then goes running out the frontdoor. And then I just have another
note, Poor Kenny. Yeah,the thirty second delay, the bane of
his existence and he gets his throatslit. I have written in my notes.
Sid runs to the cameraman van inthe in the van, Kenny bites
it. Yes, poor Kenny.He gets treated like shit by Gail and

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then doesn't make it to the end. And we also see during all this
chase when Sydney was running away thatshe does get stabbed. So Sydney is
significantly injured in addition of falling outof the window. She's been stabbed,
but she's still showing a lot offight like she's still running away trying to
figure out what to do. Dee, he comes running out and he's been
stabbed, so he falls over,Yes, he falls in. The knife

(01:38:42):
is staying out because then the ghostface comes out and he yanks the knife
out of his back and I waslike, whoa, that is just savage.
Yeah, and he comes after herand then she goes. She gets
into the car and she's like,Okay, I'm gonna get away, and
then she can't find the keys andhe's standing out dangling the car keys and
I'm like, oh, it's creepy. And then he just disappears under the
car. Yeah, but she's smartand she uses the radio to at least

(01:39:05):
call for help, so we know, like backup is going to be coming.
The end of the movie must becoming because they're gonna have to wrap
this up. We see that,you know, it's it's really stressful.
But Sidney does make it out ofthe car. She almost gets caught by
the killer and then she goes backinto the house and we've got Stu and
Randy approaching. Sydney has the gun. She doesn't know who to trust,
so she's just like, fuck youboth. She literally says that I hear

(01:39:28):
you, I hear sorry, fuckyou both. Like she's the ultimate survivor,
so I can totally relate, Like, just go in, slam the
door and whatever else. The twoof you outside. I'm real sorry,
but I gotta live through this.Yeah, and then Billy comes tumbling down
the stairs and they're all shouting.He stumbles down and then Randy's knocking on
the door, right and he rushesin and he says it's Stu. It's

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Stu. And Billy has already gottenSydney to give him the gun because he
was like, yeah, okay,give me the gun, like and she's
like, oh my god, mypoor boyfriend, and you're still alive and
like, so now she feels likeshe has an ally, like she knows
her best friend's dead. She trustsBilly now because how could he be the
killer? He's already been stabbed.Now she's starting to break a little bit
and she's starting to cry, like, oh my god, oh my god,

(01:40:10):
what are we gonna do? Ye? And that's unfortunate because Billy shoots
Randy when he comes in, PoorRandy, Poor Randy, and gives the
famous line from Psycho we all goa little mad sometimes and says that the
blood on him is Chord Serah.So basically, Billy and Stew reveal themselves

(01:40:32):
as the killers. So now atthis point we know they think they're gonna
get away way with it. Theydo reveal also during this time that they're
the ones that framed Cotton. Theyfigured it out to blame it on a
you know that Sydney's mom really washaving an affair, and you know,
so this all gets revealed. Stuends up while they're in the kitchen having
this big showdown of like monologuing basicallythey are. They bring out Neil Prescott.

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Yeah, he was tied up inthe closet, and they revealed that
they're going to frame him, thatthey cloned his cell phone. That's why
the calls look like it came fromthe dad's cell phone. They're gonna put
the voice changer right in his pocket. They're gonna make it look like Neil
did all of this, just likethey did to Cotton. So as an
audience member, I feel like wekind of can see like, oh,
that's a viable option for these two. They successfully framed one person, they

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can do it again. They dohave confidence to think that they're going to
do this again. And I canalso kind of see how now we start
to see them going to be makingsome mistakes that they're over confident. Well
yeah, but I also like thefact that Sydney asked like, well,
why are you doing this and Billy'slike, well, it's scarier without a

(01:41:42):
motive. But then he gives amotive he gives. He gives a reason
why. He says, well,how about your mom slept with my dad
and that's the reason why my momlaughed, And I'm like, dude,
week, Okay, here's the thing. It's all about Billy and Billy's world.
He is a selfish prick like that'sjust so of course it's about him

(01:42:03):
and his mom and his issues.So yeah, he gives her the motive.
Stu still never gives a real motive. I mean, he just says
peer pressure, which is you're charmingand funny as a psycho killer. Yes,
apparently you know that. It's ascharming and funny as a psychopath can
be. I mean, honestly,I think it's more he is just obviously

(01:42:24):
unhinged and very susceptible. Susceptible topeer pressure, I guess because he found
somebody. Billy is very manipulative.I read this in the trivia, and
I didn't notice it when I waswatching it, and I want to go
back and look at it again.In the trivia, it says that when
Sydney is running upstairs going towards thatattic window, she like stumbles into a

(01:42:45):
bedroom and we do see some ofthe walls and things in there, but
it's a really fast scene and inthat bedroom it is like there's stuff on
the walls that's like creepy, andeverything's real black, and it's like,
well, I think we're supposed toassume that that's DU's room and that he
has this real dark personality that youwould have seen in that room setting.
I would like to go back againand try to see if I could catch

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that in the shot that she's actuallyrunning through his room upstairs, and you
see that there's evidence of him beinglike darker like that it's as darker side
to him than this goofball that heseems to be. He throws himself into
this and it's just I mean,this madness through his eyes that is just
it's extremely scary and done really well. Now we see that their plot is

(01:43:31):
that obviously it was ste that cameafter Billy when they were upstairs to throw
sid off, But now they've decidedthat in telling their whole way, that
they're going to frame that Billy's goingto stab Stew so that they can pretend
like they were just injured by products. So this whole shenanigans that went down
and this is where you are,like, these two kids are totally nuts.

(01:43:54):
They are absolutely bonkers, and Sydney'skind of like, oh my god,
you too are absolutely freaking insane,and so I feel like we can
really relate to Sydney's reaction in this. What's really cool, though, is
that behind the scenes, we don'tknow that other things have been happening.
Gail had come too, and shehad grabbed the gun, and so now

(01:44:15):
we know that Gail is still alive, and she points the gun at them,
and unfortunately the safetyes on. Shepulls the trigger and nothing happens.
So Billy does manage to knock Gailout again, but this gives Sydney the
opportunity to run, and she callsthem, and she uses the voice changer,
and I love that she says,are you alone in the house,

(01:44:35):
because that is again a nod tothe movie when a stranger calls. Well,
I had my own crazy are youin the house alone? Babysitter story,
And so I had put up allthese flyers because I fancied myself a
regular entrepreneurial babysitters club toton kind ofgirl, like I was gonna earn some
extra money babysitting for people, andso I had put flyers in random apartments.

(01:45:00):
My parents, being the world's mostoverprotective parents, somehow still let me
go babysit for total strangers when theycall our house. So I go to
babysit for this woman, and thejob is going to be from like eight
o'clock at night to two in themorning. She's going out with her friends
and she has a son. Igo to the apartment building, and the
sun I barely interact with because assoon as I get there, it's basically

(01:45:24):
his bedtime. So it is literallyexactly like the movie where I put the
kid to bed, and I'm literallyjust in the house by myself or in
the apartment by myself and the kidssleeping in the room, and I'm just
waiting till two o'clock in the morning. I'm just trying to stay awake until
the parent gets home so I cango home. So I'm sitting in the
living room and I'm watching a movie, and I of course pick up their

(01:45:45):
phone and call my best friend,like I'm going to chit chat on the
phone, right because I'm bored.Right. So I had told my friends
that this is where I was babysittingwhatever, and I'm on the phone,
I'm talking, and I hear thishuge thump on the balcony, like a
like a thump. It's not gardenlevel, so it wasn't at the balcony
wasn't directly at ground level. Itwas just a little higher, right,

(01:46:08):
but very clearly someone could climb onit easily, like I could have climbed
on it easily, right, SoI know this, and I'm like,
oh my god, I just hearda really loud noise outside. And my
friend on the other line is like, well, go look. I'm like,
I'm not going to look. Whatare you nuts? She goes,
go look. Then I hear tapping, like it sounds the fingers are tapping
on the balcony window. My heartliterally dropped, and I was like,

(01:46:31):
someone's on the balcony and they're tappingon the window. Because of course the
shades are all drawn. I can'tsee out there, you know, but
I'm hearing all this and I'm onthe phone with my friend and she's like,
just go out there, like whatare you gonna do? And I
was like, She's like, openthe curtain and look, and I'm like,
I am not looking, you're frickingnuts. Well, now this person
is banging on the window, andI'm like Jesus Christ, and she's like,
you have to look because you mightneed to call the cops right now,

(01:46:54):
Like who is out there? SoI find all the courage in my
body and I'm thinking, and thekids sleeping in the other room. I'm
at somebody's house that I don't know. I'm on the phone with my friend
and I said, you hear anything, you immediately hang up and call the
cops and send him to this addressright now. And I opened the window.
It's another one of my stupid friends. She is. She's babysitting down

(01:47:15):
the street and brought her little childward over and didn't want to buzz the
buzzer because she knew mine was sleeping, And thought, I've just jumped over
the balcony and knock on the windowreal quick. She'll let me in and
we can hang out for a littlebit. I about lost my mind.
I have never been so scared,and like my whole life, I really
thought she was an absolute lunatic outon the balcony. So when there was
this reference to when a stranger calls, I was like it all came flooding

(01:47:38):
past me. I'm like like thatwas my scream moment on the phone,
no voice change it. But myfriend being like, you have to go
look, and I'm like Sydney,like I'm going out there? What this
is crazy? So I had topeek behind the curtain, but I did.
I survived in it and was justmy friend. But holy cow,
those are those things that happened.And you're like, why did you ever
think that this was a good idea? Too? Scared exactly half to death,

(01:48:00):
like to just knock creepily on thewindow. Yeah, she was like,
I just didn't want to wake thekid up. And I was like,
you literally gave me a cart.Yeah, it's perfectly reasonable. From
her end, She's looking at melike who did you think was out here?
Some murderer? And I was like, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
My mom is a it's a CookCounty Deputy sheriff and works in felony court

(01:48:23):
with murderers every day. Yes,no, I did. Behind me.
I keep on looking behind me likeI'm afraid somebody's gonna come through, like,
oh my door and my kids playroom. Thanks Melissa, after this,
thank you, I appreciate this.Scary story, but I survived.
There was no killer and uh Billycomes in and he like throws the phone

(01:48:46):
at Stue's head and it's like,my mom and Dan are gonna be so
mad at me. And I mean, it's so funny because it's so dark
and it's so twisted and so funny. Stu is such a great care because
he has managed to succeed in makinghimself still likable after the villain reveal,

(01:49:06):
like, yeah, you still arekind of like, oh, stuyah,
like like like if you were ina psychotic asshole, i'd really, you
know, i'd date you. Billy. You're in it to hate him like
you are. You're there, You'relike, yeah, see, I knew
this kid was creepy, But Stu, you still kind of like at this
point because he has been the comicrelief and he's even still being the comic

(01:49:28):
relief in this scene. And Ithought that that is pretty brilliant about his
character and the way it's written inthis. I don't know what that says
about me that I still find,I know, increasingly endearing. I don't
know if that I think I mightneed to put myself into therapy. When
Sidney finally does knock Billy out likea Stu is clearly like going down slowly,

(01:49:48):
but then she ends up knocking Billyout. I was, I have
a little like frowny face drawn inmy notes that she throws away the gun,
Like why did you do that?Like keep it in your hands,
that is your that's you know,I you wouldn't be able to pry that
out of my hands until I wasbeing like safely carted away by the police.
Right, Stu does come back fora final scare, Right, keep

(01:50:09):
stebbing, keep shooting. That's allyou have to Do's like, don't stop,
don't stop, double talent, justmake sure. I was Yeah,
I was having this discussion with Dave, like, um, where we both
very much thought that they're all kindof you know, Randy is okay,
he's been shot, but he's youknow, Gail's okay. She kind of

(01:50:30):
comes to and they're like Randy's like, you know, they always come back
for the final scare, And Ikind of wish. I don't really like
the choice that they made in thisscene to actually have Billy come back.
Yeah, I think it would havebeen much stronger and much more effective if
she had just at that moment shothim in the head and he had never

(01:50:51):
woken up. Yeah, Because Ifeel like it almost didn't make sense for
her to say not in not inmy movie. Yeah he did. Like
I felt like it was like thatthat felt a little weird to me,
and I was like, it wouldhave been so much cooler if she had
just if he's like they always comeback for a final scare and she had
just been like bam and said notin my movie yeah, and walked away

(01:51:15):
and then dropped the gun. Yeah. Yeah, where it's almost like Sydney
was making the smarter choice right away, and like it would have been a
stronger like asset to Sydney's character thanthe kind of the way they did it.
I agree. I thought it wasa little cheesy and it was kind
of cliche there at the end,and it's been pretty smart up until then.
You know, we found a coupleof little loose plot areas. But

(01:51:38):
yeah, I do agree. Ifelt like that was a little that really
hurts me at the at the end, and I was like, you did
so well and then at that lastlike second, like I thought it would
have made her look like such abadass to just have have shot him in
the head at that point, andhe never woke up. I felt we
did feel very cheesy and kind ofcheap, and yeah, I was like,

(01:52:00):
you're better than this scream. Yeah. So basically all of our burning
questions have been answered. And soI do like that about this movie too,
is that it does give us thesatisfying like end to the plot.
Now we all know that later downthe road they do, in fact do
sequels to this movie, and itis all like they build on each other.
It's not like an entirely different movie. So I had a question for

(01:52:23):
you for the end of this movie. So, now that we've gotten to
the end, there are at leastfifteen scary movies mentioned throughout the film.
Okay, So I was going toask you if I listed each one,
can you say yes or no whetheryou've seen it? Oh? Okay,
okay, okay, let's play allright. So the Bad Seed from nineteen

(01:52:43):
fifty six, yes, all right? How about The Howling nineteen eighty one.
I don't know if I've seen thatone. I don't think I am.
I'll say no, okay. TerrorTrain nineteen eighty No, prom Night
nineteen eighty with Jamie Lee. Iknow it's I think I've seen parts of
it, but I don't think i'veseen the entire thing. The Town That

(01:53:04):
Dreaded Sundown nineteen seventy six, Now, A Nightmare on Elm Street nineteen eighty
four. We already talked about that. Yeah, that was a no.
The Evil Dead nineteen eighty one,Yes, The Exorcist in nineteen seventy three,
Yes, Friday the Thirteenth nineteen eightyYes, Halloween nineteen seventy eight,
Yes, Carry nineteen seventy six,Yes, Silence of the Lambs nineteen ninety

(01:53:29):
one, of course, Psycho nineteensixty Yes, and the remake, which
was total shit. Oh, let'snot even go there, because I'm it
makes me so angry. Hell Raiserin nineteen eighty seven. No, I
know, like that's the one withthe pinhead, got right that right?
Pin? Yeah? Whatever. Andthe last one is Texas Chainsaw Masaker Nasacre

(01:53:54):
in nineteen seventy four. I've seenthe remake. I don't know if I've
seen the original one. I sawthe remake on that one. That remake's
not too bad. There's only onemovie on this list that I haven't seen,
really, which one Terror Train.I have seen all the other ones.
Um. I actually recently had seenThe Town That Dreaded Sundown, and
it's pretty good. I've unfortunately seenEvil Dead and people out there that are

(01:54:17):
big fans of it is sorry.I hated it. And the other ones
are absolute classics, like I owna lot of these. The Bad Seed
from nineteen fifty six, so good, is so good, and I that
one. I wonder if I doown that one. I think I do
own that one on DVD, TheHolling I've got prom and I have got
I don't own The Town That DreadedSundown, but I did catch it on

(01:54:39):
cable recently. Nightmare on Elm Street. We've got Evil Dead, I don't
own because I hate it. Ithink we have Evil Dead too, because
my husband likes that one. TheExorcist I don't own. I don't want
to own that one. I mean, so I own it. I don't
want that in my house. It'sjust it's good, thank you. That
is exactly my same feelings. It'sone of those things where it's like I

(01:55:00):
had to see it because I hadto know, like why it's referenced so
much, and you know, peoplesaying it's like the scariest movie that was
ever made, so of course Ihad to see it. But it's one
of those ones that I don't watchit a lot. I've only maybe seen
it once, and I don't carefullysee it, and I have that skivie
like superstitious feeling like I don't wantthat in my house. It makes that's
exactly my sentiment. Yeah, nowagain I'm looking over my shoulder like,

(01:55:23):
yes, I'm expecting some weird badjuju to come follow me. It's no.
Yeah. I owned Friday the Thirteenthand Halloween and Carrie and Silence with
the Lambs, Psycho of I ama huge, huge Hitchcock fan, and
Psycho is not my favorite, butI can appreciate it's it's standing in history,

(01:55:45):
and I I love more of whatI know about the way the movie
was released and the way Hitchcock madeit than I do the actual movie.
I have others of his that aremy absolute favorite. Hell Raiser I've seen
only like once, and I definitelyremember when I was a kid, because
that one was made an eighty seven. My next door neighbor, who was
two years younger than me, hadseen it, and I was like,

(01:56:05):
I don't think that's for us,Like, I don't think we're old enough
for that, So I didn't seeit till I was an adult. I
didn't see it like at the time. And Texas Chainsaw Massacre is another one
that it's not in my rotation ofones to watch, like every year,
that one scratches me out. It'sthe I think it's the gritty look of
it. Yeah, like the it'sa nod to ed gain and it's not

(01:56:28):
really a true story. I mean, it's just the seventies. Seventies movies
to me always have an extra creepyvibe and the people are dirtier and scuzzier.
You can kind of almost smell themin your nose when you're watching it.
Like it's just I don't know,there's something about that one that's like
I also have this kind of suspiciouslike or not suspicious, superstitious, like

(01:56:49):
I don't want really want to watchthat, but I out of respect for
the genre, I have seen it, and I think I saw the remake
and remember thinking the remake for mewas actually a little better than the original.
But I love that there's so manymovie references in this movie. It
hits all my movie trivia vibes andI am such a scary movie junkie that

(01:57:10):
that's another just sweet little treat forme. And when I saw that in
the trivia, I thought, Igot to ask Andrew if she's seen these
so so overall, what do youthink would you recommend this movie to a
senior in high school today? Nineteen? Absolutely? I think this is a
let has now become a modern classic. I feel like it has referenced so
many times. I feel like eventhough there are things like people might be

(01:57:33):
like, oh, well, howcome they didn't do this, or that
doesn't take you out of the storyso much like yeah, you're still in
it. It doesn't really matter ifhe didn't have a cell phone or how
come they didn't find him like youcan. It really just doesn't matter.
I like that, Like even withthe cell phone, so when Billy drops
the cell phone, even now thatcell phones look so different, at the

(01:57:54):
same time, if you really werea murderer in this day in twenty nineteen,
that's what a burn her phone lookslike. Like if you go and
buy by those prepaid phones, that'slike meant for this kind of shit.
You know, I'm sorry, I'mnot real sure, like what the rainbows
and sunshine reason for burner phones is. Um, I guess they're supposed to
be like a cheap alternative, butum, I kind of feel like they're

(01:58:15):
for people who are doing shady shit. Yeah, but you know, maybe
it'scause if you can't get a cellphone plan for some reason or another.
But they still kind of look likethat, so you can almost still be
in it with the idea if yousee it today, It's like you can
still even understand seeing that, Like, right, you're either a drug dealer
or a murderer, Yeah, murderand you have a burner cell phone.

(01:58:35):
That's pretty much what I mean.Every TV show you're doing something shady or
an espionage, you're some sort ofyou know, covert operative. You got
burners, Like I mean, there'sthere's nothing above board that's happening, and
you're having a burner telephone. I'msure there are people who legit and need
them, But you know, thatwould be a big warning sign for me.

(01:58:57):
Even if a senior in high school, like seventeen year old just like
us, saw it today this manyyears later, I think it would still
hold pretty true. The only thingthat they maybe would miss out on I
would absolutely recommend this movie, andI frequently do to my students. I
usually give my misvs list of what'scurrently streaming Halloween recommendations every year on my

(01:59:18):
classroom pages. Meanwhile, I haveno idea if I'm ever going to get
in trouble from a parent from that, but I absolutely put Scream on that
list. I would recommend it.I agree with you completely. It's a
modern classic. The only thing thatwould might maybe be like kind of lost
on them is the fact that DrewBarrymore. They wouldn't understand that whole piece

(01:59:38):
that, like she was quoted asthe star and that she was supposed to
kind of be the figurehead of themovie, and then all of a sudden
she was dead in the first fewminutes. I think even if you don't
know that, that whole first pieceof it holds up great. I still
think, like you still are like, WHOA, what's happening in this movie
behind you? Or something. Ijust I will say had a heart attack

(02:00:00):
because I keep on hearing this scritchscratchy at the door, and I turn
around and I see a little katypaw under my door trying to get in.
So my cat is like freaking outout there because she obviously can hear
me, and I'm not letting herin, so I just keep on hearing
scratch scratch scratch, freaking the shitout of me because we're talking about murders

(02:00:24):
and serial killers and scary movies andI'm about to have a heart tag.
We're here because my stupid cat hasher little paw under the door. Freaked
me out. Sorry, Hopefully tonightnobody starts tapping the little fingernails on your
window like in my story, right, I have nightmares tonight? Oh my
god. Well, I think thatScream is absolutely a great movie. It's

(02:00:49):
super fun. I love it andI could watch it. I watch it
all the time. I mean I'veprobably seen this movie literally like fifty times,
that's how much I like it.I tried last night to watch Scream
two. Netflix has Scream, Screamthree, Scream four, and the Scream
TV Show, but no Scream too. Oh for the love fire that No.

(02:01:13):
I was like, that's got that'swrong. It's on here and we're
like no, no, no,I thought. I was like, what
are you trying to do to me? Netflix? Why are you doing this
to me? And then I waslike, well, should I watched Scream
three. Well, I can't reallywatch Scream three if I haven't watched Scream
two. So I watched. Wewatched Scream four because that one, I
feel like you can it's a littlebit more of a separate movie. So

(02:01:33):
we watched that one. I waslike, it was good, good enough.
Well, I think that we havegiven a really great I mean,
I had a great time watching thismovie. I had a great time to
be notes. I was excited forus to do this episode, and we
are working on what we're going todo next, and you know, for
us right now at the time ofthis recording, we're just getting into that

(02:01:54):
spooky season. But this is areally fun one to put in your Halloween
time movie rotation. So I thinkat this point we will say, you
know, goodbye to everybody, Andif you want to check out what we
might be working on next or wherewe weren't put announcements for things, you
can find us on Facebook at fourteengoing on forty podcasts, and on Instagram

(02:02:15):
at fourteen going on forty pod whereyou can interact with us on posts and
you can also see what episodes we'vegot brewing. So everybody, good night,
goodness, Be careful fingernails on yourwindow

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