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October 10, 2025 37 mins
Best selling author and Empty Nest Coach! 
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Forty percent of women who have raised children and suddenly
they move out to college or their own marriage, whatever,
report identity confusion. I believe it. I've seen it actually happen.
Sixty seven percent is the big one I've seen has

(00:25):
happened to you experienced relationship changes with their spouse and
or partner. I know that's you. Also. Hi, I'm James
lot Junior. I'm a certified life coach in five areas,
not in this area though, there's a new area of folks,
but in five areas. And I'm talking to somebody who
is certified in this and who specializes guiding women to

(00:50):
come out of the empty nest world. It's oh, well,
we're actually navigating it, because it's it's a thing eighteen years,
seventeen years, nineteen years, twenty years. You are. You have
this person that you're responsible for in your space twenty
four to seven and suddenly it's gone. They can do

(01:12):
a lot. They can do a lot to your psyche.
I am sure. And my guest knows about that, and
I saw about I had two kids, so I know
about the grown She has a number one best selling
author speaker, and I'm calling her empty nest coach. She's
also I mean homegirls like me. So she has a
BS noceanography so she's done that. She is a veteran,

(01:35):
thank you for your service in the Navy, I think veterans.
But she have anything you want. But she also has
a master's in education. See folks, she's continued education where
it's an emphasis and stem looked at up. You guys
don't know that you can look that up. But I
mean like she she does. She's a multi hyphen it.
But now she is doing this thing to help out people,

(01:56):
help me. Welcome Kelly Sillimon's Hi, Kelly, thank you, thank you,
my pleasure. Okay, So I was before the show we
were kind of joking like, well, because there I guess,
I'm a coach in several areas and one of like
divorced coaching and like that, and so there's like new
things popping up in terms of how we are guiding
people in very specific areas of life. So names are

(02:22):
always kind of thing, and I kept saying, well, we
know the term empty nester, everybody knows it, but just
in case, what is your definition of an empty nester?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Empty nester is parents who children have moved out, who
have moved on who whether they go to college, school,
the military, or just moved down the street, and they're
you know, off working and supporting themselves, hopefully supporting themselves,

(02:53):
you know, but they've they've moved out, and all of
a sudden, there's this void and kind of this space
that exists, and a lot of things change in that space.
And so that's what it is when you're an empty nester,
and you know, we all know it's coming. Some of
us hope it's coming faster than we want and and

(03:15):
some of us don't want it to come. But all
of a sudden, there it is. It's like I think
of like the sloth at the DMV and Zutopia, where
it's like like you're watching it come, yes you, and
then it keeps on going and you're just.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Kind of like, oh, oh yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
So it's helping people, you know, deal with that. That's
what empty nesting and what I you know, want to help,
especially moms kind of deal with that.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Well. A mother in many cases, not all, but in
many cases, carries a child. That's why I want to
excite to make that distinction. Not all. Sometimes kids are
born by surrogacy or adoption, or whatever. But for you know,
for may things. You know, life is given by women.
That's how life is given. So I always feel like
there's a special connection just there that us fathers just

(04:11):
don't have. Is that mostly very interesting when when not saying,
we're not weeping too when they leave. But I think
it's a little specials still a little something that we
don't get. Is that that's true, isn't it? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:24):
No, absolutely, And you know it's you know, like in
my case, for my husband and myself, like you know,
my husband, yes, it was hard and and we watch
it go. And we just sent our youngest off to China,
so she was home for the summer and I was like,
she'll be fine, it's good. She's so excited, like I
was super proud of her. And I kind of moved

(04:46):
through that. But I think also with everything I've been doing,
that really helped me move on it. And my husband
was like, whoa wait a minute, but she's in China,
Like that's the other you know, like that's the other
side of the world, you know, And so it's interesting watching,
you know, where we're connected or where we all of
a sudden get stuck and get that that wait, they're gone,

(05:12):
What do we do now, you know? And and so
it's it's it's been really interesting. But I do think
for for a lot of women who are the primary caregiver,
whether it's the Mommy show for for in the afternoons
or or whatever it is, or making sure just everything's
all together, you know, for the most part, I think

(05:36):
that's where a lot of us get stuck. And and
that's why I, you know, I got stuck, and that's
why I wanted to create a program and a community
and and bring some of my experiences to women to
help them get unstuck and and like feel like they

(05:57):
can move through and and you know, move on to
their next chapter and design that next chapter.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Lost, we'll get into that next one. No, no, just good.
And I'm saying I really first want to tell people,
you know, that's what that's what we're here for, and said,
we you know, coaches, identify an issue, then we help
guide you through it, because most time most people were stuck.
That's all. That's kind the whole thing. We're not there
to tell you what to do exactly or make you
do it our way, just like we listen to you.

(06:26):
We're going okay, well, we'll get to that set in
a second, but we stay. We said this one point,
but I do want to say this for fathers of daughters.
I'm a father of two daughters, and your husband wifelt
the same way. When they move away, it does hit
us differently because there are our girls and we're boys,

(06:47):
and we know how it is the man and how
we can be sides. Want to make that statement. Also,
it was like attacking me. I know I'm saying that
it that it can't hit men too, but I know,
especially for me having daughters, it really does.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Right, Kelly, No, absolutely, I agree. I have a girlfriend, uh,
she has two sons, and she said, you know, while
while the kids were in at home and the boys
were there, her husband was, you know, setting the example
and being strong and firm and everything, and and the

(07:21):
kids went off to school or went off, and she said,
it's been really nice because he's been able to be
more of like the boyfriend and the guy she dated
and he's fell in love with because he hasn't had
that need to step up and be the example of
what he felt like his boys should grow into. And so,

(07:44):
you know, that was an interesting perspective that I hadn't
even thought about, and I was like, oh wow, that's
really interesting. And you know, she said how their relationship
has been really great at you know, and grown closer
because they're kind of back to, you know, when they
were first you know, first started to fall in love
with each other.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
So well, that goes with that sixty seven percent. We're
talking about evational changes. This was a positive one. A
lot of times it's negative. And I know for several
of my Famue members, the kids are out the house
and they're like, now what. And that can range from
what disdained for each other to hold this stuff and
staying together for the kids, maybe not realizing it, but

(08:25):
just like all of a sudden, you're facing each other
or to yay, and everybody go aheads us, oh my god,
us we can find two things you want to do
and in between. But I've seen both.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Kelly, No, absolutely, and you know, I think you have
the iowan to joke Cherry Bradshaw in the naked room
from failure to lunch right, and they're trying to get
Matthew McConaughey to move out of the house because he
wants a naked room, and you know, but they were
on board. And I think one of the biggest things
is so often we're teaming and you know, you're going

(09:01):
to sports practice and I'm going to music class or whatever,
and you tag team, and all the conversation and all
of the connection is around getting everybody where they need
to be and getting the kids to what they have
to do. And if we don't stop and take, you know,
fifteen minutes a day, I call it a pool time

(09:23):
where my husband and I like we get together and
we just would have our conversation and it was like, okay, great.
Even when I was a kid, my mom used to
be like my dad traveled. We'd be like, yeah, yeah,
he's fine. She'd kick us out and be like we're
you know, we'd say hi and then go do your homework,
and they spent a few minutes together just to connect

(09:44):
the two of them. And I think that a lot
of times what happens is that doesn't happen because we're
racing around with the kids and all of the activities,
and then they move out and all of a sudden,
you haven't had those conversations, you haven't shared the little
thing are even taken fifteen minutes a day to kind
of just connect with your partner.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
I am and that's and so it's just again it's
part of that. Just these little bodies leaving your house
can cause such upheaval and good ways and and and
that's so good ways. It's really funny, right, It's it's
just it's it's because I'm gonna say this, folks, And
I know it's a cliche. I don't care. I'm gonna

(10:28):
say it. When you're in it raising these children, you
want to drink every day, you want to pull your
hair out. You're so tired from all the activities that
you because you want them to be producting your being.
So they're in They're playing soccer and volleyball and water polo,

(10:49):
plus want to be artists. Plus they gotta do their
their school stuff. Plus I gotta work full time and
have a job. I got to make sure to bring
home money and also be a good role model and
deal with the who's going, who gets them on Christmas?
And who does this day? All that happens. There are
times it feels like is going so slow. Then you

(11:09):
wake up and they're fifteen and they're seventeen, and I'm
a grandfather now, and my first seat of grandkids are
now young adults. That's what that's not.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Now.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
My daughter's going through it, so she's least two at home,
but one is out and now watching her navigate that,
and I'm like, yeah, I won't do that too with
somebody I know, you know, but it's that cliche that
you know, take everybody while you can. It may seem
like it's it's like one more diaper or one more

(11:41):
tantrum or one more skin knee at school, but seriously, Kelly, Kelly,
they're like twenty, they're like eighteen. You're like at their
graduate you're buying prom dresses and then vetting boys and
or probby old girls, and you know, you're just like,
what it's about college. I know it's about college. Like

(12:02):
what it's crazy, right, It's it.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Happened so fast, but at the same time, it happens
so well because you're in it. And and but then,
like you said, you turn around and and you just
dropped them off or whatever whatever it is, and uh,
you know it's I think for me, the first time
I really noticed it was really happening was they both

(12:32):
were driving because I had been like I said, the
mommy chaffeur. Of course, we lived in Tennessee, and I
drove from about three o'clock in the after noon until
nine o'clock at night, driving them to all of their events,
activities and whatever else. And so my job I brought
with me in the car. I'd sit outside the McDonald's
and use the free Wi Fi and like be working

(12:54):
on things, and you know. But once they both got
their license and they were driving, all of a sudden,
I was like, wait a minute, I could sit at
home and I could do my jaw you know, and
so like it was exciting because I was like, wow,
this is great. But then it was that time in
the car you had such a connection and they would

(13:16):
talk to you and they would share things because you
were just sitting in the car. And now that they weren't,
you weren't sitting in the car, you know, you started
to lose a little bit of that connection, and how
do you keep that going? So it's like, hey, I'm
making dinner. You're coming down, and you're gonna sit and
help me make dinner. You don't have to make dinner,
just come sit right there and talk to me. You know,
if on the weekend or something, if they weren't going out,

(13:39):
so I could at least connect, you know, And I
think that was kind of the first time where I
was like, Wow, this is really it's gonna happen. And
even knowing that it's still when they both moved out,
it was and I, you know, my husband was traveling
and we were living on a mountain in Tennessee, and
all of the things and COVID and post COVID and
you know, my hormones were changing, so that added to it.

(14:01):
And and then here we were and it was like,
uh no, I'm sitting in the house with two big dogs.
And you know, thankfully I moved to Florida and my
sister lives next door. My parents live on the other side,
so I had family around when everybody was gone. But well,

(14:22):
you know, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, I did not ignore. We did see a beautiful
dog live earlier walk by and later a nice in
the position. But I had to fuck because I'm think
by thinking, he's not gonna mention the dog that walked
a few minutes ago. But you know, I did see.
I did see him. He was cute. Okay, so we
got that part out. I want to I want to
get that part, just like don't let you guys not
at home that we if you're watching and you're about

(14:45):
to be empty master or you are one, we see you.
We get it. So now let's find out what are
some of the things she that she can do to help?
Now you know what you call it? You create the
nest evolution. I like that title. Can you tell me
about that? And it's sure?

Speaker 2 (15:02):
So the next evolution, we have the nest. We are
the nest. And you know my logo has a phoenix
kind of rising from the nest, but it's not necessarily
coming out of the nests. It's the nest, right, so
it's coming out and here we are. And you know,

(15:22):
speaking for myself, you know, I've been known to be
a fiery energy, strong, stubborn and all of those things
kind of woman. I like to get things done. But
it was evolving from what I was. And yes, I
loved being a mom and I'm still a mom, but

(15:42):
I'm a mom in a different way now. And I thought, well,
I have twenty thirty years, like, hello, what are you
gonna do? Like I need to do something. And so
that's the evolution. It's designing what your new chapter is
going to be. You know, our mission really is to
help women empty nesting women transform and and evolve to

(16:08):
having a life of joy, a life of purpose or passion,
whatever that may be for them, and letting them know
that there's also a community where we see you. You're
not alone, You're not you know, yes, you're stuck right now,
but but we felt that way too. Let's let's work
together how we can move forward.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
And folks, this is something that I, you know, my
channel promotes because I've had success later in life. I
continue to do so. And then you are to Kelly,
that is not what you're late. So folks, get out
of your brain because we know it's as we know,
it's tough when you're in this cocoon for like twenty years,
whether it's the same job you've had with twenty years

(16:52):
or whatever, and then you come out of it and
you're like, huh, what do I do now? Because language
has changed, there's like AI robots or whatever, there's all
stuff change. I get we get it, I get it it.
So that's why you're here to help to help them
go from what now. It's like you're thinking that they're
thing what now to what's next.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yes, yes, and and you know, working on ways to
I went on a retreat and that really helped me
because it gave me a few days of just worrying
about myself and just focusing on or listening to myself.

(17:33):
And so much of that is, you know, we're human beings,
but we do so we're more like human doings or
human doers, and sometimes we just need to be and
take in the grief or the confusion or the sense
of loss or whatever you're feeling because all of these
things that were demanding of your time and demanding of

(17:55):
your energy have disappeared. And a lot of us as parents,
we put some of our dreams on hold so that
we can help our kids reach their dreams. And like
I forgot how to dream. And so a lot of
what my evolution has been is recognizing that this is

(18:19):
I have a good life. I live in Naples, Florida,
I have two great dogs, my kids are doing well.
My husband loves me, I love him. I've got family around.
You know, these are all great things. But it was like, oh, well,
you know, we have an old lexus that's got one
hundred and sixty thousand miles on it and it's great.
We don't need another car. It's fine, it'll last another
fifty thousand miles. Okay, I think we have college figured

(18:40):
out and paid for. Like that's good. We like our house.
And we just kind of were like, okay, we stopped
even dreaming. And I was at an event and somebody
was like, well, what's one of the things on your
bucket list? The only one I knew was I want
to go to Antarctica. I've always want to go to Antarctica.
But other than that, I couldn't even tell you. And
so part of doing what's next is helping because we've

(19:04):
served everyone and because we've put some of our things
on hold, we haven't even really taken that time to
remember how to dream and to allow ourselves to dream.
And that dream can be something small. It could be like, hey,
I just want to have coffee with a girlfriend once
a week. I mean, fine, start small. It doesn't have
to be big. But that was kind of the part

(19:28):
of this was because I had gotten complacent and like.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, I have a good life, right, And what happens
is sometimes with you know, empty masters and your relationship changes,
You're like, I don't even know what phone service I
use because took care of it. I never thought about
it very much. I was telling the kids, you know
now they don't even to put their dotches appointments. You know.

(19:52):
Now it's up to them. I can't make them do anything.
You know, every six months going to dentist, they're ghosts,
they go, I don't want to go for next five years.
And you can't really do anything about it. That's right,
is that extra stuff you can't do anymore? And I
think I'm assuming, and you can make correct me. I'm
assuming a lot of the work you do is identity based.

(20:12):
To work, then it must be yes.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
So looking at what identity you want or what your
art type might be recognizing or honoring. You know, also
many of us, because some of us have started having
children later in life, so we have other things going on,
and you know, our parents are getting needing more help.

(20:35):
You know, our kids may still need the financial support.
The parents might need the financial support. The hormones are
all over the things you always did, like your confidence
has changed because hey always worked out, and I did
all these things and this is what I ate and
I kept my figure and I felt healthy. And then
it doesn't matter what you do. Hey, wow, we woke

(20:55):
up and there's thirty pounds. That's really great. Cool, how
does that happen?

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Like?

Speaker 2 (21:01):
You know, so, you know, there's a lot of the
brain fog. And the brain fog can come from feeling
stuck and being lost. It can come from your digestive
system not doing what it's supposed to be doing. It
can come from than a pause. You know, there's so
many things. Just the stress of all of those things
can cause the brain fog. So it's like the perfect storm.

(21:22):
It all comes together and you know, finding that way
to move forward and recognize what you want your identity
to be and also designing what you want your life, like,
your daily life to be. You know, maybe you're both
out working really really hard and you're doing all of
these things, but have you sat down together with your

(21:45):
significant other and gotten clear on really what you want
the next five, ten or twenty years to look like.
Maybe you can both keep steps back or do something
different that's more interesting to you instead of both staying
in a you know, super crazy, you know, high stress,
high demand job, and it might give you that opportunity

(22:05):
to do other things. But if you can't dream about
it and you can't think of you have the time
to even do that. Then you know you're running in
the circle. And it just makes it work because the
brain is, you know, overpowered with everything going on.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Kelly brings up a point that's about all the time
in the show The Sandwich Generation, many of us, when
we get to that point of empty nesthood, even there's
a worund as a word, We're gonna make it a word,
empty nesthood. I have degrees, you guys, I swear it,
I do, but but no, seriously, I'm in I'm in
it right now. I'm carrying my mom so but I

(22:43):
have adult children and then I have adult grandchildren and
baby grandchildren. So I'm right in the middle. She's grabbing
my attention, but it's all women for me. She's value
my attention. They're grabbing my attention and literally, you're in
the middle, and you right and your body changes. For
men too, folks, I want you guys to understand women

(23:04):
is more outward than Menopause is what they go through.
It's just because that's what they go through. My sins
going through right now. How flashes are crazy, I get it.
We laugh all the time. She's like I'm just thought
of the inside. It's crazy. But men we go through
stuff too soon as we get low testosterone. Sometimes health
challenges happen. For me. I Kelly's just spoke my language.

(23:25):
I woke up during COVID and it was like, oh
my god, iary my mother's calling it a secretary spread.
How about fifty pounds overweight? What happened? I was like,
you know, and you're like, and you can't just I'll
run for three days and I'll lose the weight. That's
not Your metabolism is different, and men and women have
dor metabolism. They carry weight differently. It's weight loss is different.
So so you're right, there's a lot of stuff that

(23:47):
goes on. So empty nests is kind of like just
just termed starting out about the kids leaving the nests.
But then you're confronted with all these things, right, all
these things in front of you because just think it's
age and just time and all that isn't it?

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yes? Absolutely? And again I think for me it was
one starting to dream again and even thinking about what
it was I wanted, and then getting really clear and
you know, doing a bunch of professional development, mindset training
and all those things which I'd always loved, right, but

(24:25):
getting clear on what is it I want to do
or how I want to do something, so that I
could then say, okay, yeah, these are the things that
I want to do, so that when I'm faced with
having to help my parents or whatever's going on with
my body that day, or you know, whatever the relationship,
whether it's a good one or maybe it's not going

(24:47):
so well, if I'm clear on the things that I'm
trying to go towards and focus towards, then I can
put those things in and address them but still know
what I'm trying to shoot for. And you know, yes,
sometimes we have to posit because we do have to
take care of things major health issue or whatever with
family or yourself. But but I think having that clarity

(25:09):
is so important and and and again I love saying
the designing your life because that for me was really
important in saying, okay, this is these are the things
that I want to do throughout my day or what
I want my day to look like. I don't want
to work ninety hours a day, like you know, and
at the end of the day, I want to turn
off and I want to walk away from my computer,

(25:31):
especially working from home. You know, it's like because otherwise
all you know, like many will sit there till one
I look, I'm like, oh, it's one thirty in the morning,
I should go to bed, you know. So again designing
the day and then honoring ourselves to do that, which
again is being clear on what are what we want.

(25:51):
That's been really helpful for for a lot of women
to help them move forward.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
One of the one of the one of the last
things I want talk about because I think it's very important.
It's last, just because I wanted to kind of hit
this last another struggle of course, and they say this
sometimes when people retire. Also depression to thirty percent of
women experienced significant depression during the empty nest transition. I
know that I've seen that in person, and they're obviously

(26:20):
when they're gone, they come back home and they're like,
now what I've had friends go, I don't know my
life is my life was my daughter's. I did everything
for them, So now I'm a loser because I didn't
do anything myself, or why did I, why didn't I?
Why are you? All these questions they get depressed. So

(26:41):
I'm sure part of your practice also dealing with telling
them with their depression.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
I'm sure, well, you know, I'm not a therapist and
I'm not a doctor or anything like that. But again,
it's those things and helping and recognizing and honoring and
giving ourselves grace because I think we're so hard on
ourselves and we make rules on how we can be,
how we can fail really easy, or why we didn't

(27:09):
do it right really easy, and then those rules to
succeed we make really hard. But some days it's just hey,
you got up and you fed the dogs, and he
went to the grocery store, and you came home and
you put everything away and that was your day. Like

(27:29):
like you know, some days that's just where you're at.
And if that's where you need to be, then you
need to recognize that with the things that you did
that day on a piece of paper if you need to,
Like I love lists, I show them all over my desk.
Thank goodness, you can't see them. It's a mess. But
I think you know, honoring and recognizing that it is

(27:53):
an issue or a situation that you that you know
you may need to go get medical help for that,
and that's okay because if it gets you the boost
to get you to where you need to be so
that you can feel like you can even do the
dogs and the grocery store. Then that's what you need.

(28:15):
You know, you can go and do crazy things like
I can try some psychedelics down you know, in Costa
Rica and try something crazy. You know, there's all kinds
of things out there that they're doing research for PTS.
It agains stress and anxiety, a well, plunging that can
help with stress and anxiety and inflammation. You know, there's

(28:36):
there's lots of other things that you can add in
mindset can also really help in how you are recognizing
your thoughts or are you letting your thoughts take over?

Speaker 1 (28:50):
You know.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Think of it like a cloud. Hey, okay, I see
the cloud. Wow, that's a cool cumulonimbus cloud. Okay, there
it goes or oh no, now it's going to rain
and it's going to thunderstorm, and it's going to do this,
and there's going to be lightning and there's you know,
and you know, we we tend to do that a lot,
especially when we're feeling down lost.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, like we.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Didn't do something maybe for ourselves, but you have kids
that you've sent off into the world and hopefully they're
being good, good you know, citizens and providing to society
and contributing to society. Don't discount that. That takes a lot.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
And I want to pick it back off for you
and say, because she makes up at that point, we're
not clinicians, we're not psychotherapists, or not psychologists psychiatrists, but
or as my friend says, however, common coaches are still
all valuable in that space of depression, because he said,

(29:52):
everything she just said will recognize, will help you recognize
the depression on someone wall, and we'll give you stuff
tools to work on. And maybe additional help would be
those of the individuals. But I know some people who
are like just us giving them permission to feel that's helped,
just giving them or giving them options to go. Think about,

(30:14):
what are the things you used to like to do
twenty years ago. I used to love hiking. I used
to go to the beach. Well, go to the beach.
I mean, we coaches were good at that stuff. So
I don't want to discount coaches either. By my I'm
with cal to make sure we know you know, we're
not We don't give advice, so we don't do prescriptions
like that or you know, but we do. We are

(30:35):
we are a conduit to thought pattern and thought changing.
And like I said, maybe it's like yeah, take some
shrooms and go sit out and you know, and death Valley.
I don't know. I mean that's I mean, that's it's
run for some folks. I mean I did some edimals
that once in a while and it helps for me,
you know. You know, I told another one time because
she was getting have an anxiety and and so I said, girl,

(30:56):
take one of these. It's like a low dose, like
five milligram something and she felt good, didn't hurt, might
talk to a doctor about at first, but like she
didn't hurtor nothing, and it was just kind of like
it was just it relaxed her mind for a while.
And there's a lot of holistics that's not that's not
a story. But just like say, coaches, we can't be
still helpful when it comes to someone feeling because there

(31:19):
are types of depression too during degrees and some folks
just have like the you know, the baseline depression because
of this happened, I feel the pressed. It's not clinical
so much or anything, and we can be helpful to that.
We can't help sometimes.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean situational depression, you know, yes, living
on a mountain, going through COVID or all the other
things happening. Like who who knew? Was that situational depression?

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah? I say, yeah, you know, got in.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
An empty house by myself with the dogs, and I.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Was like I did right. I was hearing my house
by myself, going I can't go outside and talk to
people in person. I'm an extrovert. You know, you already
know me. I'm an extra I'm like beat people up.
I don't really know. I can't. I can't do any
of that. It's crazy. I went a little crazy for
a minute. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
So I you know, I agree with you what you're saying,
James completely, because there are things to look at, you know.
I I talk about in the in the book that
we're both in about trying to remember a time when
I like just refused to give up. And and I
think about when I was trying to go to the

(32:38):
Naval Academy and you know, telling my story of what
I was trying to do to get in. But what
that did was that was in a personal development class
that I was taking and they asked me to think
about a time when I was like determined that something
was going to happen and I hadn't really thought about
it in a long time. And that helped me move

(32:58):
past some of my being stuck because I remembered how
strong I was and how capable I was, and if
I could do that when I was a teenager, when
I was a freshman in high school, well, you know,
at fifty four years old, I could do a lot
of things. And so it was really amazing how that
that was just one of the one of the switches

(33:19):
for me. That was like, go forth, you can do this,
you know, you can go get what is it that
you want? And then I had to figure out what
it was that I wanted. But you know, but it
really helped shift where my brain was stuck in. You know,
I'm lost and my kids aren't here, and I was
teaching again and I was not happy doing that, and

(33:41):
I loved teaching. So that was like a red flag
for me right there. You know. So it really is
amazing when you can find the right coach, our mentor
to help you just ask the right question or help
you recall something that help you take that action and

(34:02):
move forward a little bit.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
And folks on this show at episodes you can go
down the line, but I talk about how to better
life coach just well, you know, you don't have to
sell just one. You can figure it out and try
them out and see which one seems to resonate with
you and work with you or have Sometimes it's just
nothing wrong with them. It's just that this person's way

(34:24):
of doing it fits you the most. It's okay to
be okay thinking of that. If they want your help,
I want to find you. I'll put it in the description.
Of course, won't you just say it out loud? Where
can they sure?

Speaker 2 (34:41):
They go to the next Evolution dot com uh and
connect with us, connect with me there. I'm also email
is support at your Next Evolution dot Com. You can
find me on Facebook and Instagram, empty nest Evolution, empty
nest Evo, and I'm also on LinkedIn Kelly H. Sammon's
but love to love to find those empty nesters who

(35:06):
want a sense of community and and want to find
their joy again and remember their strength because they're badass
women who raise kids and got the job done and
they're still here and they can do do some amazing
things going forward.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
I agree with that, you're a badass. We're goin to you, Kelly,
So just no, that's in my eyes. Yes, and you'll
be back on the show. While we're back on the show.
I always like to keep people around, so you'll be
back on the show from toil, from other stuff. But folks,
if you are an empty nester, because I know it's fall,
so many kids are in college. I went, I went
through it. I noticed, like we feel you, we do,

(35:46):
we feel you. But just know that's how evolution rens.
That's how it's supposed to be. I mean, that's everything
is happening the way it's supposed to be happening. But
we understand it's tough. I'm James Eunior. Of course you
can follow me everywhere. James Logen is a soul that
James Lotte Junior and all social media platforms being TikTok,
a lot of help, do a lot of help dot com,
a lot of help, my blog, a lot of help

(36:08):
on Facebook. I'm tired of just saying all that. And
James on just is everywhere, just everywhere. Just find me everywhere.
Just do it and follow her. We don't I'll find you.
We do that. Also, thanks everybody for listening to this
program and were watching that's gonna be We're We're also
on all streaming audio platforms iHeartRadio, Spotify, Apple, Audible, these

(36:30):
are cash Box, so you check us out there. Just
going I'm growl everywhere. I'm like everybody, just just go
everywhere and you'll find this program. You'll find her and
everyone if you're on the East Coast, which she is.
But if you're on the East Coast and you're near
Charcoal Storm and Melda or whatever police we came up,
I'm sending you love and light and just hopefully, hopefully
things won't get so bad. I know it's that season

(36:50):
right now. I don't miss that part of living on
the West Coast. So I in Florida. I'm not sending
all love and light and smoothness your direction, so please
we can't root there, Mike,
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