May 13, 2025 • 18 mins
JLJ examine the decades long practice and how that is changing in the workplace of today!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
So I was watching a video this morning that at
the basis of the basis of this episode, and she
was just like, I don't give you tweek notes anymore.
You wouldn't give it if you fire me to let
me go. So I'm like, why give you two week
notice by get any courtesy? And so I started thinking
about that is the two week notice dead?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I mean, is it? That's it? Is it a thing?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So I was looking up. I was trying to find out,
so where did the two week notice come from? And
my research it isn't there's it just became this thing
in the.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Mid twentieth century.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
It says a modern HR practice at workplace etiquette. Mostly
it's a it's an at well employment situation. In most
in the US, either party can end how they want to.
But I know for many purposes it was like two
weeks is it time to fire sid, to find someone
(01:04):
to replace you, or you start transisting to work and
someone else. Many said it was good for reputation. W's
another jobs. You get another job, you can say, well,
she ga't tweak notice even though you're quitting, and maybe
you're worth the greatest employee.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
But that kind of helps. If they did background checks
on you.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
So then HR Department starts suggesting that in handbooks it's
not law and there it's never been law, that's all.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
There's never been law.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And I said, unless you haven't in a contract that
says you have to give two weeks notice, there's no Yeah,
there's not at all, but are some union and government
jobs you have to. So it's just it's funny about that.
I was thinking, yeah, do we notice?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I remember?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
So how I started this whole thing was that because
I've never been fired for a job until recently. I
was fined from a job, but it was like fired
from a gig, not really a I wasn't like a
a like I was at a job. But any of
the jobs I had got fired, I always quit, and
most of my gave trets notice. So as I was
(02:13):
leaving this last job to start my holding life over
seventeen years ago, I remember I gave a month's notice
because Martin was just scared. I was a little scared
because I was making this big decision. I was going
to move it back to LA I was leaving San Francisco.
I hated my job, but my job was so specific
(02:35):
and was so it was huge It was a huge
management job position that we find a lot of paperwork,
and I not to get into the weeds of it
so much for you guys, but I was handling regulations
from like thirty states.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I'd learned all their lot. It was.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I was a very intense job that I did for
like ten years, so I had done This was very
intense and it wasn't gonna be easy just to pass
over to somebody. So I thought, well, let me give
a month's notice so I get a couple of paychecks.
That was another other thing under the belt because I
had come back to La.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I'm coming.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I was coming to LA with no job and no
job nothing. I had two jobs, two gigs set up,
two acting gigs set up. But they're like later into
the like I was coming home from January. They're like
in February. So I needed some money on me. So
I saw and I was trying to be nice. I
was like, I was trying to be nice, and I said, okay,
(03:32):
let's and my colleague had a lot of work on it.
So I was trying to really work something out so
I can kind of pass it over. I'll tell you something.
I'll tell you my my boss, last colleague, my immediate one.
He tried, I get you. He tried his best. He
did not want me to leave because it was so
much work. We would fall on him and he was like,
(03:53):
he tried many a tactics, like you work from LA
because you have no job. You still get paid what
you're getting paid. I'll get me good just doing it
doing it in LA. And I'm just we just again
our offices were down here. I mean, I was just like,
you just go to the man out once in a
while and we just we can still do it and
you know, keep keep it going for a while, maybe
just switching apart time. Now.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I knew this.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Job was so important and so task oriented. I couldn't
do it a part time. And I thought about though
there was he gave me an offer that I really
thought about. I was like, oh my god, but he was.
But he was playing on my need for money and security,
which was smart and I don't I don't fall over that.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
It was smart.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
It still helped him out because he was gonna literally
lose half his office.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
It was me.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And it was still keep things going. They're still busy.
And luckily I quit. I was quitting after we had
a bunch of programs that happened. Now is the kind
of like it was kind of the it was the
winter period is kind of the dead season.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
We had like one little small thing that he could handle.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
But like when we would next year start and we're
gonna start wrapping up for the season again. So but
I knew when I was quitting, I was like, okay,
I'll quit now, thinking somebody in place to help me
with that. But anyway, you know what's got me doing.
But I really started thinking, I'm like, how can I
start my life over? Here's something profound for you guys.
How can I start my life over if I'm hanging
(05:20):
on the pieces of what I used to be?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Sit on that for a second, it was like, how
can I go?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I wasn't. It wasn't I hated the job. It wasn't
my passion. I wanted to start over. So it wasn't
like I was just I just didn't. And so if
I just hate, if I liked the job, that would
in a persolution, I go to LA do job, just
transfer back and forth, just going I would it went great.
Or if I didn't mind the job, wasn't trying to
(05:49):
start over. But I hate the city. When it's lived
somewhere else, it would have worked. My whole thing was
I was tired.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Of the city. I was tired of the job.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I wouldn't find something for me that was my passion
and and that would have and that would have gotten away.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I wouldn't have been able to fully go for it,
be tied and tether to this job. But it was.
But you know, he g it was.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
There was some there's some good points he made in there.
But what it did is it made me go, James, No,
it's like you have to leap. Leaping is scary. It
is scary for people you can't do it. But I
just said, nope, I'm going to do it. And I said,
I said I'm going to do it. So I said no.
Well pissed off a lot of people, including my including
my media boss, and I well, no, no, you'll get
(06:32):
a month. So we'll get just two weeks once you
out of here. Okay, I'm like, share those two weeks.
And they tried to get me to train somebody who
was half listening and guys like I. You know, I
did work hard until I left. I did try the
best to give him. Oh I could try back to
shoreverything was organized. I could read stuff and I did actually,
which was dumb, but I did a couple of times.
(06:53):
They had a couple of questions. After I left. I said,
you can call me. You know, we have a couple
of questions.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I know this's new. You can cut it.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
And I was still friends with that boss. I you
can just we need to give a question or two.
If I can remember it, call me and I'll answer it.
I'm a probe with that. Well, that became a whole thing.
Was like there was resentment in his voice. I was
in la, he's busy. They had didn't hire nobody else.
They want him do all the work. And it was
kind of like calling me begrudgingly like well, what's going
(07:21):
on here? I'm just so busy here.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
And I was like, yet, that didn't work either, So
I didn't tell him.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
To stop doing that. I said, no, I'm not aible
for calls anymore. I said an email like nah, that's
just that's not go way. I had to really break in.
The friendship ended. The company went out of business, so
didn't matter. But it was just kind of like I
was giving time to get Some people can know what's
going on to get set stuff up. But there are
so many jobs that I had that didn't give them.
(07:46):
They're like, we're closing in through going on business. We're
going to business. They've they didn't give me any notice.
We've got business. I would hear and I have my
ears and to God all the time. But they were
just like the other people go that day and they
they're check ready, here you go. So that's the question.
So the chicken this video is like if I if
I when they want to fire me, they don't give you.
(08:06):
You each notice, They just go, you're fired, here's your check,
buy no notice? So why am I giving them notice?
And so that was thinking about this whole quiet quitting thing,
which I did a blog post on a lot of
help dot com. Go there my blog, my daily blog,
if you want to go about quiet quitting. I'm like,
what the fuck was that?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
So it's kind of funny.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
So there's all this this younger generation is bringing this
up where they're just like, we're maybe at work, but
there's certain job just not gonna do.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
We ain't doing that, we ain't doing that, and make
it not make a big deal about it, just like yep,
they're literally carving the kind of work they are willing
to do or not do.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
And I'm like, in the old days, like that would
not we just want to fire bye, And it was
like that was it just wouldn't have had the choice
choices like that. And they're trying to They're trying to
make choice better choices. They want to work life balance
all this stuff. I'm like, wow, it's really interesting. So
the two weeks notice, you know what I'm kind of with.
I think, ma, because nowadays does anybody really really do?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
But I.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I do get every once in a bloom, once every
two or three years, someone will call for a reference.
It used to be really a lot before, but in
the last six, seven, ten years, I don't think to
make people call for a reference. I think most people
they hire, they see your resume. They probably have look
at your resume half the time. If it looks impressive,
(09:35):
they go from there. It's all about selling yourself personality
and everything, I think nowadays. But you don't want to
burn bridges, no, but you try to be you know,
especially in certain industries. Be careful because some of these
industries are small and people have big mouths. So I say,
for some people be careful with some industries, but no.
But I think I think for the most part though,
(09:55):
I think people just don't they understand people leave jobs
all time. These STA generations just don't look at that.
It's heavily because now they're the bosses. I wouldn't either
look at that much if I was. When I hire people,
I look at just who are they, how they are,
how they seem to me there feeling, how they know,
how they seem to me like go from there. But
I'm just thinking they'd that whole two weeks. You know,
(10:17):
a lot of times it is awkward you because the
part of you, do you want this this? If someone's
leaving up they hate the job, do you want that
to scruntle employee still working for you?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I get it. Do you want them still access to
your secrets?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
They can sabotage you, They can talk crap about you
to customers or the customer service job. They could have
ask jobs, So I like, I kind of get it,
Like why would you want somebody there who's doesn't want
to be there? So I would say, So I'm saying,
I guess I'm coming around to the whole just screwteek notice.
(10:53):
Just tell them I want I'm quitting. Today's my last
day or tomorrow with my last day. I need my
jo you know you said my check, right. I mean
it's I mean it's it's if they can handle when
they fire somebody, and I have somebody in place, they
(11:14):
can handle if you quit with the employees. It's the
same same one half dozen the other. So I think
I'm coming around to the two week No two week
notice either unless you love well see I think that,
I think is also the second thing. And people don't
tell very much. You actually are a beloved member of
the thing. And maybe you're retiring. Maybe you are, you
are changing careers or changing jobs. You got a better
(11:35):
job offer, but you're well liked and there's something bad
going on. Maybe you want to get a tw week
notice so you can think about all your friends, and
you like working there, and maybe you need the money,
so you want to get that two weeks.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
You know that money, and then it's and so I
think those cases might be good.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Like I'm like, I'm sorry, your bosses don't want you
to leave, so I compleat stay for two weeks. I
mean there is that side to you that might be something. Also,
it's just think about all my jobs, right, I gave
that to you.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Noticed I did. And sometimes they were so painful, some
almost two weeks.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Oh they're just painful, and other times they're fine. I
remember I left, I left another city. You don't know
where I left, Sacramento, go to San Francisco. I gave
you to notice. At my job, the bread Storm, they
had demoted me and all of a sudden, just all
this crazy backstage crap that was going on. But it
was funny because I should go into that a little bit.
So I was in management, and they like my manic style.
(12:29):
Because I was I wouldn't rule with fear. People were
doing what they were doing, we're making money stuff. They
didn't like my Manston style, so people got in charge.
They sides just about me. They have power or power
hungry and people. People get a little bit of power
and they're going crazy. I just I don't care about
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
So I was like, have at it.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
What they what they did do though, is for me,
they gave me a Monday through visits for a food
service Monday through Friday, like nine to five, like something
really or like it was like either eight to four
like something really amazing food service, and I got paid
decent wage.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I'd lived two blocks down the street.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I was like, okay, So my last like six months
at that place, I wasn't upset because I was like, okay,
I'm making I'm making money. And but then I changed
my whole life and we moved to San Francisco. So
that's what it was why I left. I probably still
been there, just I mean, I'm like okay. I mean,
I was like, I had weekends off, nights off. I'm
could do it right once. So it's kind of like
(13:24):
that was really for a food service. Anybody who was
in food service or retail, you know what I'm talking about,
you don't normally get those kind of positions.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
That was.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It was funny the first show I got to San
Francisco because I left there fran Sanrancisco based called Cafe
sal mcgundy, and that place was gone now.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
But it was a money through Friday job.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Also because it was in the business district, so it's
only open when the business and we only did breakfast
and lunch. We hadt do dinner, so we were there early,
so I would get like six, we get six to
three shifts, six to two shifts. I'd work and then
i'd leave. The people come in the afternoon, They're like
like there were like four to clean up whatever. So
I always opened. I didn't clothes and so that was
the money to fight job too. And I was like,
(14:05):
what is Friday weekends off? Because we were with w
they weren't their office. We weren't there either, like that.
I would have stayed there too. And there's some some
issues inter office issues that happened, and I was like
I got I left. I actually just quit and then
I got a job when looking for their job. It's
(14:25):
funny that day.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
So I quit no job.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
New to santrus I was there maybe four or five months.
New to San Francisco. And this is back in then,
back in the nineties. And I remember I was like
we were a crushy from an outdoor indoor mall. It's
called Barcadero in Sananis. Couldn't even know it. And I
went over there. There's a place called Camelot Music. I
was just walking, was walking and I was like I
was working a record store.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Oh my god, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
So I was in La So I went to camp
Music and they said they didn't have one at that location,
but they had openings in their other location, which was
out in South San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Not time.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I didn't know when it was gone what it is.
And back then the BART didn't extend all the way
out there. It was just there, there's there's subway service.
So I, because of other job, I got on a
bus that's BART to the end of the line and
then took a bus and went.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Through the whole city of Daily City. It was like
this is it was great? How am I? What was
like a suburbs? Like what is? I remember out there?
It was foggy and cold.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I had no idea to get to the ends to
them Allcross Ceremony Center and I walked in and I
got a job.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Literally, well she was I like, interviewed me.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I went home and then by the time I got
home and mentioned my voicemail saying you came in, you
got the job. I had job, I say, and but
I had a fun way to go out there. Eventually
I got a car and the whole day there was
a whole thing. But it was just kind of like
it was it It's I which jobs were that easy
like they used to be, right, But that's but again
(16:03):
it was it's and that when I worked all kinds
of shifts and crazy things. But but it's just it's
just it's but I survived all right. But that one
I quit. Did you tweets on this? I said, bye,
I was quitting, like it was just so bad. And
then from that job I did get tweets sue either.
They had some shenanigans happening towards me, and I quit
(16:23):
that one too. It was funny before I quit, though,
I got another job. I would get these jobs. To
get these jobs, that was so easy in the nineties.
And I remember a friend of my friends said, they're
hiring in the city, back in the city or hiding
place one headlines and that's how I live there. But
I cant tweets on that one either, I said, I
said f you, and I left.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I was like, that's one.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
A few times ever did that? Those are those two
times because I always gave notice. I was always like,
I don't want anything to come back to bite me.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Oh like squeel y'all everybody, you know whatever.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
So hiding professionals, of course, now I was so young,
but yeah, so, but most of any other jobs usually
I gave notice, and uh I used to. But now
with my own stuff that I do, everything's that will
you get to say, might come back?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
You want to quit? I want to quit on our
job or Noverybody's like nope, is that will? I like
that best?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Just clear clean Clayer, clean wide business. I'll send you
your money. You have two weeks giving my money or
a weekly of my money. It's all built in the contracts.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
So. But I had a guy who was working for
me and he decided he needed to change his life.
But for the first eleven years and he was wonderful.
Oh he's my great assistant. And then he but he
gave a game like a month or two notice, so
because he was taking his time getting his stuff together
and he's still working for me, and that was good too.
I was like, thank it, that's good one. Uh what
do you think are you about? Are you about two
(17:45):
week notices? Do you think it still should be something
in place? Or is that now antiquated? It's embarg just
like if you disgruntled, go we'll figure it out and
gets money.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
And who won't be disgruntled? Are you like?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I like to stand there and give me two weeks
so I can work this out here. You tell me
a lot of help dot com that's the website, a
lot of helps on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I'm James Junior.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Touch the next time, HM,
So I was watching a video this morning that at
the basis of the basis of this episode, and she
was just like, I don't give you tweek notes anymore.
You wouldn't give it if you fire me to let
me go. So I'm like, why give you two week
notice by get any courtesy? And so I started thinking
about that is the two week notice dead?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I mean, is it? That's it? Is it a thing?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So I was looking up. I was trying to find out,
so where did the two week notice come from? And
my research it isn't there's it just became this thing
in the.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Mid twentieth century.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
It says a modern HR practice at workplace etiquette. Mostly
it's a it's an at well employment situation. In most
in the US, either party can end how they want to.
But I know for many purposes it was like two
weeks is it time to fire sid, to find someone
(01:04):
to replace you, or you start transisting to work and
someone else. Many said it was good for reputation. W's
another jobs. You get another job, you can say, well,
she ga't tweak notice even though you're quitting, and maybe
you're worth the greatest employee.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
But that kind of helps. If they did background checks
on you.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
So then HR Department starts suggesting that in handbooks it's
not law and there it's never been law, that's all.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
There's never been law.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And I said, unless you haven't in a contract that
says you have to give two weeks notice, there's no Yeah,
there's not at all, but are some union and government
jobs you have to. So it's just it's funny about that.
I was thinking, yeah, do we notice?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I remember?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
So how I started this whole thing was that because
I've never been fired for a job until recently. I
was fined from a job, but it was like fired
from a gig, not really a I wasn't like a
a like I was at a job. But any of
the jobs I had got fired, I always quit, and
most of my gave trets notice. So as I was
(02:13):
leaving this last job to start my holding life over
seventeen years ago, I remember I gave a month's notice
because Martin was just scared. I was a little scared
because I was making this big decision. I was going
to move it back to LA I was leaving San Francisco.
I hated my job, but my job was so specific
(02:35):
and was so it was huge It was a huge
management job position that we find a lot of paperwork,
and I not to get into the weeds of it
so much for you guys, but I was handling regulations
from like thirty states.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I'd learned all their lot. It was.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I was a very intense job that I did for
like ten years, so I had done This was very
intense and it wasn't gonna be easy just to pass
over to somebody. So I thought, well, let me give
a month's notice so I get a couple of paychecks.
That was another other thing under the belt because I
had come back to La.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I'm coming.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I was coming to LA with no job and no
job nothing. I had two jobs, two gigs set up,
two acting gigs set up. But they're like later into
the like I was coming home from January. They're like
in February. So I needed some money on me. So
I saw and I was trying to be nice. I
was like, I was trying to be nice, and I said, okay,
(03:32):
let's and my colleague had a lot of work on it.
So I was trying to really work something out so
I can kind of pass it over. I'll tell you something.
I'll tell you my my boss, last colleague, my immediate one.
He tried, I get you. He tried his best. He
did not want me to leave because it was so
much work. We would fall on him and he was like,
(03:53):
he tried many a tactics, like you work from LA
because you have no job. You still get paid what
you're getting paid. I'll get me good just doing it
doing it in LA. And I'm just we just again
our offices were down here. I mean, I was just like,
you just go to the man out once in a
while and we just we can still do it and
you know, keep keep it going for a while, maybe
just switching apart time. Now.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I knew this.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Job was so important and so task oriented. I couldn't
do it a part time. And I thought about though
there was he gave me an offer that I really
thought about. I was like, oh my god, but he was.
But he was playing on my need for money and security,
which was smart and I don't I don't fall over that.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
It was smart.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
It still helped him out because he was gonna literally
lose half his office.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
It was me.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And it was still keep things going. They're still busy.
And luckily I quit. I was quitting after we had
a bunch of programs that happened. Now is the kind
of like it was kind of the it was the
winter period is kind of the dead season.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
We had like one little small thing that he could handle.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
But like when we would next year start and we're
gonna start wrapping up for the season again. So but
I knew when I was quitting, I was like, okay,
I'll quit now, thinking somebody in place to help me
with that. But anyway, you know what's got me doing.
But I really started thinking, I'm like, how can I
start my life over? Here's something profound for you guys.
How can I start my life over if I'm hanging
(05:20):
on the pieces of what I used to be?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Sit on that for a second, it was like, how
can I go?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I wasn't. It wasn't I hated the job. It wasn't
my passion. I wanted to start over. So it wasn't
like I was just I just didn't. And so if
I just hate, if I liked the job, that would
in a persolution, I go to LA do job, just
transfer back and forth, just going I would it went great.
Or if I didn't mind the job, wasn't trying to
(05:49):
start over. But I hate the city. When it's lived
somewhere else, it would have worked. My whole thing was
I was tired.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Of the city. I was tired of the job.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I wouldn't find something for me that was my passion
and and that would have and that would have gotten away.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I wouldn't have been able to fully go for it,
be tied and tether to this job. But it was.
But you know, he g it was.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
There was some there's some good points he made in there.
But what it did is it made me go, James, No,
it's like you have to leap. Leaping is scary. It
is scary for people you can't do it. But I
just said, nope, I'm going to do it. And I said,
I said I'm going to do it. So I said no.
Well pissed off a lot of people, including my including
my media boss, and I well, no, no, you'll get
(06:32):
a month. So we'll get just two weeks once you
out of here. Okay, I'm like, share those two weeks.
And they tried to get me to train somebody who
was half listening and guys like I. You know, I
did work hard until I left. I did try the
best to give him. Oh I could try back to
shoreverything was organized. I could read stuff and I did actually,
which was dumb, but I did a couple of times.
(06:53):
They had a couple of questions. After I left. I said,
you can call me. You know, we have a couple
of questions.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I know this's new. You can cut it.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
And I was still friends with that boss. I you
can just we need to give a question or two.
If I can remember it, call me and I'll answer it.
I'm a probe with that. Well, that became a whole thing.
Was like there was resentment in his voice. I was
in la, he's busy. They had didn't hire nobody else.
They want him do all the work. And it was
kind of like calling me begrudgingly like well, what's going
(07:21):
on here? I'm just so busy here.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
And I was like, yet, that didn't work either, So
I didn't tell him.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
To stop doing that. I said, no, I'm not aible
for calls anymore. I said an email like nah, that's
just that's not go way. I had to really break in.
The friendship ended. The company went out of business, so
didn't matter. But it was just kind of like I
was giving time to get Some people can know what's
going on to get set stuff up. But there are
so many jobs that I had that didn't give them.
(07:46):
They're like, we're closing in through going on business. We're
going to business. They've they didn't give me any notice.
We've got business. I would hear and I have my
ears and to God all the time. But they were
just like the other people go that day and they
they're check ready, here you go. So that's the question.
So the chicken this video is like if I if
I when they want to fire me, they don't give you.
(08:06):
You each notice, They just go, you're fired, here's your check,
buy no notice? So why am I giving them notice?
And so that was thinking about this whole quiet quitting thing,
which I did a blog post on a lot of
help dot com. Go there my blog, my daily blog,
if you want to go about quiet quitting. I'm like,
what the fuck was that?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
So it's kind of funny.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
So there's all this this younger generation is bringing this
up where they're just like, we're maybe at work, but
there's certain job just not gonna do.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
We ain't doing that, we ain't doing that, and make
it not make a big deal about it, just like yep,
they're literally carving the kind of work they are willing
to do or not do.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
And I'm like, in the old days, like that would
not we just want to fire bye, And it was
like that was it just wouldn't have had the choice
choices like that. And they're trying to They're trying to
make choice better choices. They want to work life balance
all this stuff. I'm like, wow, it's really interesting. So
the two weeks notice, you know what I'm kind of with.
I think, ma, because nowadays does anybody really really do?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
But I.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I do get every once in a bloom, once every
two or three years, someone will call for a reference.
It used to be really a lot before, but in
the last six, seven, ten years, I don't think to
make people call for a reference. I think most people
they hire, they see your resume. They probably have look
at your resume half the time. If it looks impressive,
(09:35):
they go from there. It's all about selling yourself personality
and everything, I think nowadays. But you don't want to
burn bridges, no, but you try to be you know,
especially in certain industries. Be careful because some of these
industries are small and people have big mouths. So I say,
for some people be careful with some industries, but no.
But I think I think for the most part though,
(09:55):
I think people just don't they understand people leave jobs
all time. These STA generations just don't look at that.
It's heavily because now they're the bosses. I wouldn't either
look at that much if I was. When I hire people,
I look at just who are they, how they are,
how they seem to me there feeling, how they know,
how they seem to me like go from there. But
I'm just thinking they'd that whole two weeks. You know,
(10:17):
a lot of times it is awkward you because the
part of you, do you want this this? If someone's
leaving up they hate the job, do you want that
to scruntle employee still working for you?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I get it. Do you want them still access to
your secrets?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
They can sabotage you, They can talk crap about you
to customers or the customer service job. They could have
ask jobs, So I like, I kind of get it,
Like why would you want somebody there who's doesn't want
to be there? So I would say, So I'm saying,
I guess I'm coming around to the whole just screwteek notice.
(10:53):
Just tell them I want I'm quitting. Today's my last
day or tomorrow with my last day. I need my
jo you know you said my check, right. I mean
it's I mean it's it's if they can handle when
they fire somebody, and I have somebody in place, they
(11:14):
can handle if you quit with the employees. It's the
same same one half dozen the other. So I think
I'm coming around to the two week No two week
notice either unless you love well see I think that,
I think is also the second thing. And people don't
tell very much. You actually are a beloved member of
the thing. And maybe you're retiring. Maybe you are, you
are changing careers or changing jobs. You got a better
(11:35):
job offer, but you're well liked and there's something bad
going on. Maybe you want to get a tw week
notice so you can think about all your friends, and
you like working there, and maybe you need the money,
so you want to get that two weeks.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
You know that money, and then it's and so I
think those cases might be good.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Like I'm like, I'm sorry, your bosses don't want you
to leave, so I compleat stay for two weeks. I
mean there is that side to you that might be something. Also,
it's just think about all my jobs, right, I gave
that to you.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Noticed I did. And sometimes they were so painful, some
almost two weeks.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Oh they're just painful, and other times they're fine. I
remember I left, I left another city. You don't know
where I left, Sacramento, go to San Francisco. I gave
you to notice. At my job, the bread Storm, they
had demoted me and all of a sudden, just all
this crazy backstage crap that was going on. But it
was funny because I should go into that a little bit.
So I was in management, and they like my manic style.
(12:29):
Because I was I wouldn't rule with fear. People were
doing what they were doing, we're making money stuff. They
didn't like my Manston style, so people got in charge.
They sides just about me. They have power or power
hungry and people. People get a little bit of power
and they're going crazy. I just I don't care about
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
So I was like, have at it.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
What they what they did do though, is for me,
they gave me a Monday through visits for a food
service Monday through Friday, like nine to five, like something
really or like it was like either eight to four
like something really amazing food service, and I got paid
decent wage.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I'd lived two blocks down the street.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I was like, okay, So my last like six months
at that place, I wasn't upset because I was like, okay,
I'm making I'm making money. And but then I changed
my whole life and we moved to San Francisco. So
that's what it was why I left. I probably still
been there, just I mean, I'm like okay. I mean,
I was like, I had weekends off, nights off. I'm
could do it right once. So it's kind of like
(13:24):
that was really for a food service. Anybody who was
in food service or retail, you know what I'm talking about,
you don't normally get those kind of positions.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
That was.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It was funny the first show I got to San
Francisco because I left there fran Sanrancisco based called Cafe
sal mcgundy, and that place was gone now.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
But it was a money through Friday job.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Also because it was in the business district, so it's
only open when the business and we only did breakfast
and lunch. We hadt do dinner, so we were there early,
so I would get like six, we get six to
three shifts, six to two shifts. I'd work and then
i'd leave. The people come in the afternoon, They're like
like there were like four to clean up whatever. So
I always opened. I didn't clothes and so that was
the money to fight job too. And I was like,
(14:05):
what is Friday weekends off? Because we were with w
they weren't their office. We weren't there either, like that.
I would have stayed there too. And there's some some
issues inter office issues that happened, and I was like
I got I left. I actually just quit and then
I got a job when looking for their job. It's
(14:25):
funny that day.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
So I quit no job.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
New to santrus I was there maybe four or five months.
New to San Francisco. And this is back in then,
back in the nineties. And I remember I was like
we were a crushy from an outdoor indoor mall. It's
called Barcadero in Sananis. Couldn't even know it. And I
went over there. There's a place called Camelot Music. I
was just walking, was walking and I was like I
was working a record store.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Oh my god, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
So I was in La So I went to camp
Music and they said they didn't have one at that location,
but they had openings in their other location, which was
out in South San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Not time.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I didn't know when it was gone what it is.
And back then the BART didn't extend all the way
out there. It was just there, there's there's subway service.
So I, because of other job, I got on a
bus that's BART to the end of the line and
then took a bus and went.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Through the whole city of Daily City. It was like
this is it was great? How am I? What was
like a suburbs? Like what is? I remember out there?
It was foggy and cold.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I had no idea to get to the ends to
them Allcross Ceremony Center and I walked in and I
got a job.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Literally, well she was I like, interviewed me.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I went home and then by the time I got
home and mentioned my voicemail saying you came in, you
got the job. I had job, I say, and but
I had a fun way to go out there. Eventually
I got a car and the whole day there was
a whole thing. But it was just kind of like
it was it It's I which jobs were that easy
like they used to be, right, But that's but again
(16:03):
it was it's and that when I worked all kinds
of shifts and crazy things. But but it's just it's
just it's but I survived all right. But that one
I quit. Did you tweets on this? I said, bye,
I was quitting, like it was just so bad. And
then from that job I did get tweets sue either.
They had some shenanigans happening towards me, and I quit
(16:23):
that one too. It was funny before I quit, though,
I got another job. I would get these jobs. To
get these jobs, that was so easy in the nineties.
And I remember a friend of my friends said, they're
hiring in the city, back in the city or hiding
place one headlines and that's how I live there. But
I cant tweets on that one either, I said, I
said f you, and I left.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I was like, that's one.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
A few times ever did that? Those are those two
times because I always gave notice. I was always like,
I don't want anything to come back to bite me.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Oh like squeel y'all everybody, you know whatever.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
So hiding professionals, of course, now I was so young,
but yeah, so, but most of any other jobs usually
I gave notice, and uh I used to. But now
with my own stuff that I do, everything's that will
you get to say, might come back?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
You want to quit? I want to quit on our
job or Noverybody's like nope, is that will? I like
that best?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Just clear clean Clayer, clean wide business. I'll send you
your money. You have two weeks giving my money or
a weekly of my money. It's all built in the contracts.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
So. But I had a guy who was working for
me and he decided he needed to change his life.
But for the first eleven years and he was wonderful.
Oh he's my great assistant. And then he but he
gave a game like a month or two notice, so
because he was taking his time getting his stuff together
and he's still working for me, and that was good too.
I was like, thank it, that's good one. Uh what
do you think are you about? Are you about two
(17:45):
week notices? Do you think it still should be something
in place? Or is that now antiquated? It's embarg just
like if you disgruntled, go we'll figure it out and
gets money.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
And who won't be disgruntled? Are you like?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I like to stand there and give me two weeks
so I can work this out here. You tell me
a lot of help dot com that's the website, a
lot of helps on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I'm James Junior.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Touch the next time, HM,
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