Eagles-Packers Post-Game Recap!

The game is over! Dive deep into our full Eagles vs. Packers Post-Game Recap and analysis right here! In this week’s episode of Eagles Talk, we break down the final score, key plays, and what went right (and wrong) for both the Philadelphia Eagles and the Green Bay Packers.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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(00:44):
And we are here to talk Eagles football postgame recap,
our first postgame recap of the season, as we have
just witnessed Eagles knocking off the Green Bay Packers on
Monday Night Football into seventh I don't even know about

(01:07):
that game, but I do. We we will get into
it a lot to say, Yes, interesting to see if
it's like if we approach it like glass half full,
glass half empty, But we will let's dive into Unless
is planning to join us as well for a little

(01:27):
bit tonight. So we are with you here on Eagles Talks.
So keep the comments coming. We've got some people here already.
Uh yeah. Mark Sharks says, what a blank show from
the offense. Greg Miller's Andrew big Sianni almost caused us
the game with the absolute idiotic decision. Little Griffin says,

(01:50):
a big fan of the Ego season. Better Eagles win
game Eagles seven and two. Eddie says, thanks for the show.
We're walcome Eddie. The VD Paige was also wondering when
we're all wondering, what was that calling fourth punt and
pinned them inside the ten. Uh So, yeah, a lot

(02:12):
to cover. So let's dive into the pole question, gentlemen,
because we have to start somewhere. So let's start with
the defense. The pole question is this Eagles defense is
good enough to carry the team on a playoff run
even with the offensive inconsistent inconsistencies, agree or disagree just

(02:33):
in time. We've got mister Les Bowen, Like I said, less,
how how are you on this late night? How are
you holding up after that Eagles win?

Speaker 1 (02:45):
I guess you can say, oh, you know, I went
to sleep and I had the strangest dream. I dreamed
that with thirty three seconds left, the Eagles had fourth
and six, well into green Bay territory and they could
have kicked a field goal, which would have meant that
green Bay had to score a touchdown with thirty or
so left, or they could have punted and Green Bay

(03:11):
would have had to go like ninety yards in thirty
three less than thirty three seconds, and instead they tried
to throw a touchdown path But I'm glad I woke up.
The game was over by then. But I you know,
I assume the Eagles did something really smart and that
they're just rolling along now.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, it's very frustrating. Uh So let's.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Anybody explain this.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
I don't know, last I don't know, I don't I
don't know. We will get into that, but let's let's
start with the defensive. Okay, we won, we won, so
let's start off positive. And the positive takeaway from this
game was the defense? Man, did they phillips Oh my gosh,

(03:58):
And like, I want to give them the props because
I know people are gonna want to talk about the
offensive mixer Yanni, but we have to give the defense
their props and their credit. So let's let's start with you. Then,
what do you think of this pole question? Is this
Eagles defense now with Jalen phillips on in here, especially
who had who balled out? Do you think this defense

(04:19):
is good enough to really carry the team considering the
inconsistencies we're seeing from this offense.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Still it's a good question. I don't like it because
it's ridiculous that this should be what we're thinking. Yeah,
I mean yeah, I think it's a defense that can
win you a playoff game if it has to against
some opponents, not every opponent. But why do we need

(04:48):
to do that?

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:50):
I guess that's my I don't know what my answer is.
What the hell is my answer? Were they playing the
eighties Bears tonight?

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well?

Speaker 3 (05:04):
I don't, I don't know, I really I really don't know. U.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
P Y.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
What do you think your pole question? Quick? Quick answer,
p Y. I know you like to go on ten
minute ten minute diatribes, p Y, and then you don't
answer the pole question. That's true. That that's that's that
is well, see who's going on in tangent.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
His answer will involve ring.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
Well, ironically, will not involve.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
It's one hundred percent good enough.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Like one thing we've seen, even while the offense has
stu then during the season, like the one true thing
has been to defense, like and their biggest moments, you've
been able to depend on them, Like obviously there's been
flutters like the Broncos game, like the Giants game. Like
for the most part, like your your biggest most important
thing has been your defense has been your play. By

(05:57):
Zach Brown, exact bond has been your play Quinnon, Mitchell
and guys like that, Like obviously you've had Mkooba and
Campbell give you stuff here and there, and you had
like young studs like Moro Jormo giving you spurts, which
has been fantastic. Like they've shown you enough to where
you should believe in this defense. And you should a

(06:18):
hundred percent believed in this defense even more after what
you saw from last night. The last three weeks, Jalen Hunts,
Jalx Hunt has been unleashed. Jalen Phillips looked phenomenal, Jalen
Carter has looked better in the last few weeks, which
is even huge. And Noel Smith was all over the
field West today, like it was fantastic, Like we had

(06:39):
pass rush, we had QB hits, we had pressures, and
what did it show for you? You didn't have blown coverages
every other play because he was getting hit.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
All game long, which is fantastic.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
There's immense tons of things to feel good about with
this defense moving forward. I only think we scratched the
service because did the guy from the Michael Carr did
he Ben play like? Obviously we don't know what Gire
Alexander didn't play like. You have opportunities for these guys
to play big roles in the in the team, even
if you don't obviously, like I would love Jalen Jared

(07:17):
Alexander to take the role at CB two. But like
if he's just an okay corner or a good death
piece and maybe Jackryan Bennett takes over, that's fantastic. Yes,
with Eli Shallowdell, this defense is good enough to carry
you on a deep playoff run even if the offense sputters.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Brings some about you. What do you think?

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, I disagree. It's a good defense, don't get me wrong.
But I mean, as bad as the Eagles were on
offense tonight, the Packers were that much worse. That just
Jordan Love stinks. I don't know how else how else
to put it so that that greatly assisted the Eagles
defensive effort tonight. So it's a good defense. Maybe they

(07:58):
can steal a wild card round. But if if you're
gonna play like that on offense. First off, you're gonna
get smoked next week by Detroit and you're not being
the Rams. Whose who else is up there? Seattle, Tampa Bay. Like,
if you play like you play tonight, you're not beating
those teams. We established on film, don't lie that the

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Packers aren't a super Bowl contender. So if you play
a super Bowl contender, I don't care how good the
defense plays, you're not winning a big time playoff game
against the legit Super Bowl contender playing like that on offense.
How he strikes again on the trademarket. Jalen Phillips was incredible.

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Nakobe Dean also incredible off the injury. I wasn't expecting
a damn thing from him coming off that the tell
a pair and he's been playing. I think this was
his third game, if I'm not mistaken, and he's been phenomenal. Yeah,
he's been. He's fantastic. Those were the two standouts for me. Awesome.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah to your point about it like that, we said, yeah,
I'm filmed online last week we talked about the Packers
not being uh really in that tier one super Bowl
contender tier anymore, And like I was like waffling on them,
I think to your point, you know, we kind of
gotten into a little bit of disagreement about Tucker Craft,
and I think we saw tonight Tucker Craft's absence was

(09:24):
felt like that offense could not move and when you
lose your leading receiver. He led the team in yardage,
he led, He was second the team in receptions, I believe,
and he had six touchdowns which I believe led the
six receiving touchdowns, which let which also led the team.
Like that impact from the from his absence was absolutely there,

(09:47):
like you could tell it had anything, I would have.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Been shut out. Had Jihad Campbell not tackled Tucker Craft's backup,
uh unnecessarily when the guy wasn't going to catch bal
that was you know, he would have had to make
an incredible catch.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Mh.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Campbell went down across his legs and made it moot.
And they went on to score a touchdown there. They
might have kicked a field goal, I don't know, but
they were not just going to score a touchdown without
that play. And yeah, Tucker Craft probably makes four or
five plays like that.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Yeah, Yeah, he's been their easy button all year. And
and like I had said that the loss of him
for the Packers was what made me question, like they're
they're about and like I said, that's huge going into
this game. I'm like, I'm not having Tucker Kraft. That's
going to benefit us tremendously. And then that showed. But

(10:41):
to this, to the pole question, I'm gonna agree with it.
I think that, yeah, they've had their flaws, and I
mean know that this was a shorthanded Packers team with
they didn't even have they didn't have Matthew Golden, Jayden
Reed still out, so they went in the game with.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
They lost Romeo Dobs a lot.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Of time, Christian Watson, who I'm not even the biggest
fan of, and you know the Don Tavian Wicks who
had draw drops, so like they didn't have many receivers,
and like it was similar to that the playoff game
we had against them where they had Jayden Reed and
no one else. So it's like, you know, they're short handed.

(11:19):
So I get that. I understand that. But at the
same time, the defense dominated the line of scrimmage. I
know we still have issues with finishing with sacks, but
the pressure was there. The linebackers were great. Ye'd like
I don't really have even a Dori Jackson made plays
and was was was very solid this game. And I

(11:39):
know that anger is p why to say, but he played,
he played solid, amazing. I don't know if there's any
aspect of the defense you can really like get mad at.
I think they played a complete, complete game. Yeah, I
think if anything, you can maybe get mad at them

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allowing the touchdown in the fourth quarter after we scored
a touchdown, which is infuriating to see, but I mean,
overall overall it was it was just phenomenal. So hats
off to the defense. My game ball is to Again,
there's so many names you could you can throw out
there giving the game ball to, and I don't I

(12:21):
don't care who you give it to. I'm gonna give
to Jalen Phillips. I think Jayalen Phillip man the newest
Eagle just it's it's I don't even I don't know.
I obviously I have to watch the film first. I
don't know if I could say he had the best game,
but the fact that he's the newcomer on this on
this unit and he had that impact, that's that's amazing

(12:43):
to see.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, we're both.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Yes, chucks.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
So he had eight pressures, six tackles, a force, vowel,
former recovery and the QB hit like that amazing, That
is amazing. What more can you ask for a guy
who's been here like six days?

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Like yeah, yeah, awesome, awesome, awesome stuff. I know, Brings
you said the names that stood out to you on defense? Pee,
Why if there's there's name on one name you want
to give the game ball to? Who would you give
it to? If it's someone we haven't mentioned yet? Done?
So good one? Good one?

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (13:17):
How about you? How about you?

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah? I was gonna go Phillips or Jayle one of
the two. Bond had a good game. Dean had a
good game. I didn't think Johad Campbell had a good game.
Not just that past interference, but he was set in
the edge once as an edge rusher and got killed.
Uh you know, uh, that's probably unfair of me. It's
saying two plays he might have had twenty great plays

(13:41):
for but a lot of position.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
He's all you know, he's playing on the edge.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
That's not really They were doing that tonight frankly with
everybody back I did. They wanted a lot of snaps.
I didn't really think he did.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
I just don't think they wanted to have too many
snaps to ground, Like the fact that you didn't see
him till what like the late third.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Which was fine. I think that's fine.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
You know BG's gonna take. You can't just come right
back and play football, you know.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
After year, I think if you give him like five
to ten snaps a game like that, that's it. Like that,
and he's better than Patrick Johnson and for the end
of your edge rushers at the very end of it,
I'm okay with that.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Like he's at one point I joke that Jaylen Carter
had touched more footballs than a J. Brown, you know, but.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Oh my god, I can't uh.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Brown, I'd kill somebody. Oh my god, I don't understand this.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Every every game he's looking more and more like the
smartest person who's ever lived. Like like w Ip wants
to go on a ramp about what a bad teammate
he is and this.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
And that and all the other nonsense. But I'm like,
he just looks smarter every game.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
He's playing for an idiot as an offensive.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
Well, lest that where I think we're being a little
too mean on him.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Oh shut up to stop with that. Kevin, all right,
you want to take the yeah, you want to take
the bait, or you want to put the low hanging
for out there. Let's switch over to the offense, because
oh yeah, I have so out. P Y wants to

(15:33):
go on his his soapbox and and laugh at all,
you know, and and say like, oh, I was right.
But let's remind him that we've been critical of Kevin
Petulo just as much as anyone. The issue was never critical.
The issue was never about him, you know, being critical
enough of him. It was okay, when he does well,

(15:55):
are you willing to give him credit? And was p
why ever being fair?

Speaker 2 (15:59):
P Y?

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Was?

Speaker 3 (16:00):
We established people, I was never being fair when I
was said, he showed a little bit, so we we
said it. We established on here that after one or
two bad games, you were already out in Kevin Patulo.
And then you tried to come back on it and say,
well I need more than two games to be.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
And then he played four more bad games.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
The point, that's besides the point. So don't try to
get on your soapbox and say I was right all along?
Was it was?

Speaker 4 (16:30):
It was about if you have a kid who takes
a test every week, and nine weeks he passes two tests.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Am I supposed to clap my hands? Wait to go slugger,
You're you're not You're not understanding.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
The point anyway.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Anyway, you're not the point and you refuse to understand
the point.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
So so you played a huge stop on fourth down?
Uh in the third quarter? Did the sequence after that offensively?

Speaker 3 (17:04):
What?

Speaker 1 (17:04):
I don't, I don't know. It was just horrible. It
was I thought it might have turned the game around
in Green Bay's favor.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
I mean yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
And it wasn't like players screwing up. It was just
like why are you doing this? Why are you doing that?

Speaker 3 (17:24):
So the the infamous decision here that everyone in the
chat is is you know talking about is well, aside
from Kevin Patulo, is Sirianni's decision to go and go
for on fourth down with thirty something thirty something seconds left.
It's not like you're deep into it, you're deep in
in Packer's territory. You're on the I think it was like, yeah,

(17:46):
it's like Frede fringe field goal area. It's makeable for
for Dick Elliott. But as we saw, the wind was wed.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
So I don't. I I text I said in the
one chat I'm in and Py you you're in that chat,
so you saw it. I don't know what I would
have done. I don't know if I would have kicked
it or punted. I don't. I don't because of the
because there was a long field goal with bad weather.
I don't know how far was it. They were around

(18:18):
the thirty five, so it would have been yeah and
bad weather.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
Yeah, I probably would have kicked it because Jake has
had a little trouble this year.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
You would have it, you would have put it.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
I would have understood. I would have understood that. I
would whether they have gone like for the field goal,
I would have been like, okay, like you want to
go you want to make you trust Jake Elliott. You
want to go up by six, so you have to
force them to score a touchdown. I get that. If
they had punted it, I would have been like, their
offense has done nothing. Trust your defense. So I would

(18:51):
have been okay with either or genuine question for you guys,
and let's answer it this way. Would even Dan Campbell
of the Lions have gone for yes, yes.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Dan, Dan Campbell would go to it with six people
holding a gun to his head.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Okay, like to the end zone on yes six?

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Or would he throw a nice little slant to God
first down?

Speaker 4 (19:25):
And I would have if this was me, like obviously,
I would have gone to the gathered play that they
had been using a few times during the game.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Jay runs to the side and they tossed it to gother.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
I wouldn't have thrown it to a J, but I
I can see the thought process.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
I would have done it.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
But I see what he's thinking because we've had plays
like this before four and six. We need to we
need the ice this game, and we throw something to
a J and he makes it happen. Maybe process was
all right, we'll get a J one on one in
the end zone.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
He's gonna either catch.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
It and one on one it's gonna catch it, or
he's gonna get a PI.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
I think that was kind of the context. You can't
but you can't rely, and I wouldn't. I'm not blaming
you people. I'm not saying like I'm not like attacking
you I am. I'm saying I'm expounding on it and
saying it's one. It's predictable because on fourth down, like
you alluded to Puy the Eagles always do this on

(20:29):
on fourth down, their their go to play. If it's
there is one on one, they always do it, so
it's predictable. And two, from what I saw there, it
wasn't they had safety help over the top, so it
was double covered anyway. So if it's just the the

(20:51):
the decision to go for it, mind boggling. And the
play call, like if you're I don't know how much
to put it on on Hurts as well, because if
Hurts has the leeway to decide there, Hurts has to
see that they're playing with safety over the top. If
that safety is over the top, I'm not throwing that.
So if that hurts the decision too, then that has

(21:13):
to go also on Hurts. Yeah, and you know along
with Sirianni, along with Kevin Purtu like that you just
I don't Yeah, I don't know what else to say
about it.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
It's just anything like if that's the call, like they
all know they're going for a j Brown, that's the
perfect like obviously they're gonna be looking at Davante as well.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
That's a perfect moment where you draw something.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
Up or like a Johan Dotson because he's showing them
like in moments like that, you can count on him,
Like I also don't think he's gonna be covered like that.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Possibly, i'd have to see the alternatum. What else they
drew up. I don't know if it was like all go,
but whatever brings, I mean, I don't. We talked about
it a lot. I don't know. If you have anything to.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Add, No, I would have. I would have probably tried
a fifty three yarder. With the way these guys kick
these days, it's pretty windy, I'm going. But I mean
I was at the Bills game last year and he
kicked like a sixty two yarder and bad weather.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Yeah yeah, so yeah, I totally get that because Jake has.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
He's a really good kicker.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Yeah, he's He's.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Seven of nine on field goals. He missed one. I
think he missed one against Minnesota, yeah, a few weeks
ago in the Dome.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
So yeah, But the two he missed, weren't they like
fifty plus?

Speaker 3 (22:29):
I don't, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
I can't recall. I cannot recall his second miss.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
But he's been he's he's made a lot of fifty
plus this year.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
I know last year one of one. He was one
of one tonight they decided to go for it in
bad weather.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Well, I think, you know, I understand if you don't
like the field goal there, and I'm queasy about the
field goal, But you have a better chance of a
field goal than a touchdown. Pack a touchdown, Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Don't. I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Again, I think you can pick up fourth and six
without throwing a touchdown pass, And I think you could
punk to the ten yard line and really, you know,
make it unlikely for them to get with the big range.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Even if and lost, even if it was a touchback,
they're at their own twenty. Like I don't like, make
them go fifty yards yeah, no timeouts and thirty something
seconds left.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
I like, well, that was almost a disaster. I mean
that was one play away from being a disaster. Yeah,
it really was.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
It really its seriously was it was.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
It was really and it's self inflicted disaster. Yeah, But
I don't spend the whole game talking about it. But
I just can't. There's not that often that I come
away from a game with like, what in the world,
you know, he won't explain, his explanation will make no sense.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Oh yeah, the press conference is an't going to be Yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
So it they also threw it on second and third down. Yeah,
Bay Packers to not use time outs.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah that was earlier that.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Yeah, so I I don't I I understand the one
you're talking about, the one where they called the play
action and it was a it was a boot out.
They're trying to do the slide route or I think
it was a slide route and the Mica or Micah
was was chasing down hurt, so he had to throw
it away, Like I understand, trying to change it up,

(24:33):
you know. So I think Michael just made a really
good play. I think another thing that would have been
super frustrating. You know, I'll see on the All twenty two.
But man, if if I need to see if Sue
would have housed that had Micah not, I have a

(24:53):
feeling he would have. But like I need to, I
need to second and third level defense. But if it's
what I suspect it was, because that they looked like
they loaded the box. If Michael hadn't tripped on man,
I think there's a strong I have a strong feeling
that would have been a house call. And if that
was like, if we had lost this, I would have
that would be one of the plays where I would

(25:14):
have just lost my mind.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, like how many I counted five six times in
the first half where they ran the football on third
and double digit yardage. Conservative. It was conservative the entire game, right,
It was offensively for both sides. It was like watching

(25:36):
paint dry. It was like an Army Navy game from
nineteen forty five and then you try and get aggressive.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
It just did from the Green Bay and I can
kind of see it in it. They had so many
receivers out and Love wasn't throwing it very well, you know,
I mean they wanted to be conservative. Their best play
was Jacob's running the ball, you know. From the Eagle standpoint,
I don't quite get it. I don't understand why this

(26:05):
offense can't, you know, could consistently pass the ball. Yeah,
they have a good defense on Green Bay, but they're
not the best defense in the league, and you just
won't even try a lot of times to throw the
ball down the field. And there was some pass rush pressure.
But did you hear Micah Parsons name mentioned before he

(26:25):
tripped Barkley at all? They had some pass rush pressure,
but it wasn't like it was unbelievable and they could
never have possibly completed a pass.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
As usual, he delivers absolutely nothing against Yeah, that's he
was talking about this for three weeks where he said, oh,
you know, we're not looking past the Panthers. The Eagles
are with the Eagles on the horizon, gets beat, loses
to the Panthers and then barely puts.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Seven points of offense.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
They put the barely seven points of offense on there,
they like it's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, well he doesn't play on the offense.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
But I know, but like.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
You're grabbing the engines, you know, you're talking to your
stuff like he always does, and then when they look stoopy.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
It's like, I don't know what happened. Well, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Somebody today mentioned to me that, oh, trying to win
at Lambeau. I've covered a lot of games at Lambeau.
I've covered more Eagles wins than losses there, right, you know,
I mean it's beautiful, there's the snow and the fans,
but it's not a particularly tough place to win.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Anymore.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
It's not a dome, you know, you can hear uh
It's yeah, they don't have Aaron Rodgers, you know.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Yeah, if prime Aaron Rodgers was there, you know what,
maybe I'd be worried. But although Rogers is not stepping
in there, showing up.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
To the Eagles there the day remember the lrry Wine
know why Doug Peters and ran the ball so much?
That was at Lamba. I mean, yes, the Packers are
a good team. They half beaten the Eagles, certainly, but
you know playing at Lambeau is not any.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yeah, I wouldn't like put it.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
It's the Midwest. It's the Midwest. You can it's only
so hard to play, even like the good teams out west.
I mean Seattle, Seattle seems like it's it can be
a bear no matter how good they are. Same with Denver.
But these l A stadiums, like these Vikings and Bears
and Packers, it's the Midwest.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Like well, Siriani never has lost to the NFC North,
I believe.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Now, I didn't know five after the bye week as well.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Speaking of the bye week, rob that I'll shut up
here in a minute, but uh, this as ugly as
this was, it reminded me a little bit of that
awful Cleveland game right after the bye last year where
they just barely beat a horrible Browns team. Nick brought
his kids to the press conference. People were like wanting

(29:09):
to ask him tough questions to the press conference, and
you know, it was but they were awful that game,
and he was talking about how great Deshaun Watson had played.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
Yeah, Eagles Beaterporters are probably like, yeah, we would probably
rather talk to your kids today. Yeah, you know, we
don't want to talk to.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
You would be that After that awful win, they went
on and really kind of caught fire and played much better.
So maybe we'll see that starting Sunday night against Detroit.
It'll help maybe, But but yeah, this was This was
a very puzzling offensive game to get.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, I think if this offense, I think that, Yeah,
Kevin Patulla deserves most of blame. I think he had three.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Three.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
I don't know if I got four like that last
last drive, I guess not, but I'd say three good drives.
I think the first two drives, I know the second
one was a three now, but I thought that second
down screen call was a good call, Like one just tripped,
so that's not so. I think those two drives were good.
And then the drive out out to begin the second

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half was good. Outside of that, it is.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Just well, they had a really good drive Chuck in
the first half and they got all the way down
there and Eddrian Cooper made it fantastic play and punched
the play.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
What I'm saying, That's what I'm saying that the first
that first drive was a really good drive.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
They went sixty that drive got the ball in the
eight yard line. You know, they ran like fifteen plays.
They weren't even in the red zone.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah. Yeah, So that's that. Three drives, three good drives
by Kevin Patula is not going to cut it.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
The old line didn't help him much.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
I know I did how he heard at the.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Game, but my lot of kept somebody on the other
side from my a. Lota was doing something that my
a lot of thought meant he could move. And I
don't know if he still doesn't understand the rules yet,
but you know, the defensive player has to come across
the line of scrimmage before you can speak up and

(31:21):
start pointing at him. Yeah twice he did that.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
You know, they had a bad penalty on Toad that
erased a big play. Ah, it was you know, Fred
Johnson had one unfortunate inability to get to a really
good linebacker that would have made a difference. But you can't.
He's Fred Johnson. I mean he's not Lane Johnson exactly

(31:48):
paid a lot more. Yeah, but yeah, the offensive line
wasn't great, but it was mostly the play calling, I.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Think, yeah, mostly by calling the penalties that was.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
High wide a little bit.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeh.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
He made some big plays too.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
I mean, yeah, I don't think this was one of
the hurts better games. Well I do. I think that
it was mainly on him, though obviously not. But I
don't think I this wouldn't go down. There were there
were some throws and decisions. I'm like, that's that's not good.
Like the one throw to Devonte Smith on second down
right before halftime. Uh, that was a miss, Like you

(32:26):
gotta hit him because you hit Davonta Smith on that
come back and you could you could potentially play for
a field goal, but miss that, and then they did
the miss did miss Grant slow up?

Speaker 2 (32:42):
I don't know, you put that right in his chest
and he walks in for a touchdown. That was an
awful throw. He missed him by a mile A little.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
More air under that You know there's nobody around a
little more air under that.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Yeah, so he wasn't his best game, but.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
But he makes some incredible plays too. There was a
conversion on third or fourth third down, I guess third
and long conversion where he was running for his life
and he completed it.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
The touchdown pass to DeVante was.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
A little on the throne, but I mean when you
had the one day Smith, you can afford to well.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Given he was, he couldn't step into it into it.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah, that's yeah. I think unless you're talking about the
the one where he threw across the field again against the.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Green might have been play I was thinking about, might
have been to Shipley.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Okay, yeah, oh yeah when he rolled up. Yeah, I
think that was was that the first drive might have
been yeah, on the first drive.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah, So he had he had some good plays outside
the pocket. So yeah, definitely not a horrible game from him.
Not his best, but not not horrible. You know, squon,
I thought at first, he look I know a lot
of people on you know, on Twitter, i'd mentioned like
he looks like he's still hampered by the growing possibly,

(34:08):
but I still think that, especially as the game went on,
I think he got his legs on their own mind.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
I think he got every yard that was there to
be gotten. They're just not blocking like they did.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
You know, so I think he did again I Micah
Micah doesn't trip him, I really do think.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
No. You know, there was one play tonight. I think
it was a second and long run to the left
side where you saw the Green Bay defense to shift
right there and they got him like way behind the
line of scrimmage. There was no chance at that play working,
no chance whatsoever. And that didn't happen much last year.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
I didn't.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
Yeah, I just I would like to see a little
bit more from shot, more from under center, like we
had seen the last few weeks, because I also do
think especially last week, and that did help open up
the wrong game a little bit because you weren't exactly
sure where exactly you were.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Yeah, I did see a good amount. I don't I'll have.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, there was a big, long stretch where it didn't
seem like to me that they were but I wasn't
really charting it.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Or yeah, I'll chart it and I filmed. Don't lie
tomorrow or Wednesday morning. I'll have the figures. But like
I did see it a decent amount. I do wonder,
and I was gonna bring this up earlier. I do
wonder if Lane's injury, which made Fred Johnson sub in
and right tackle, kind of made them go away from

(35:34):
Jumbo a lot. Yeah, so you know that could have
been a reason why they didn't do as much under center,
you know. And I know in the fourth quarter, Lane
came back and they went jumpo and it was a
tackle for loss. But still, like just one play doesn't
indicate like what it could have been the whole game.
So I do wonder if that hampered part of the

(35:57):
game plan. But you know, I I am glad, I'll
say I'll put it also this way. I know, Uh,
I had a friend who was kind of angry at
all the run calls. I'll see, which like I had
to see what they were calling, but I don't. I'm
kind of glad they stuck with the run because there
were some there were some plays where were Saquon, especially

(36:20):
early in the third quarter, he was getting some good yardage.
So like they stuck with it, and.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
But just it seems like to me they'd have a
series where they run it three times and in a
series where they pass it three times.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Yeah, there's no.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Any kind of sequencing or rhythm.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah, the sequencing is bad. So you don't like there's
no there's no flow or nothing is getting married to
each other. So like that's what. That's what. And it's
a shame because before the bye we had seen more
of it. We'd see like yeah, like oh okay, like it's
coming together. Then this offensive performance comes out. It's just
like where did all that go? Like this is this

(37:04):
looks like how it was earlier in the year. And
this is incredibly frustrating. Thank you, you know, if you're
in the chat, we appreciate you you chiming in and
viewing us, like keep it coming in and yeah, this
is from just observing the chat. It's like, I'll ask you, guys,
this is this the most frustrating win that you can remember?

(37:28):
This the Eagles having no I know, unless we have
more than you know where to call it that. So
maybe you can. But like I'm trying to think.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Of, like, oh, up the tape of the twenty twenty
three season when they were ten one, because other.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Both Commanders games were far more frustrating than this.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
They've done this before. I mean, I don't remember a
ten to seven final. But the Cleveland game last year, right,
I mean that was a terrible team and they what
was this final on that? It was a very low
scoring game.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
It wasn't a lot.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
I remember that sixteen to thirteen or something.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
You know, they've done the Packers. The Packers are at least.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Good from too many to choose. So, yeah, I hear you.
I think it's just I guess I just expected coming
out of the buy for this offense to build on
what they were doing. Yeah, and the fact that they didn't.
It was on national television on Monday night made it

(38:32):
more frustrating because that's twenty sixteen, yeah, twenty to sixteen, Yeah,
last Yearland Yeah. Yeah, So it's just frustating that you
saw signs of hope of like things coming together before
the buy and then now it's like where did everything go?
Where did it go? You maybe less with what you said,

(38:53):
Maybe this is their Browns game of this year where
they come out of the buy and like maybe by
didn't help them rhythm wise. It helped them health wise,
but didn't help them get that rhythm back, And maybe
there are other factors that you know, as as a whole,

(39:14):
made it be like this, but like it's just really
really frustrating. My my one pole question I was going
to put in, And also I'll ask you guys this,
does this performance put all the confidence and goodwill that
the offense had built before the bye week? Is all
that out the window now? Or do you still have

(39:36):
do you still have hope that you have some confidence
that the offense can doesn't get together?

Speaker 1 (39:44):
I kind of think they psyched themselves out against the
fact that Green Bay doesn't give up big plays and
that the weather was going to be something they haven't seen.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
And they had a conservative game.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
I think they kind of did it to themselves a
little bit. But no, I don't think they didn't make
a ton of turnovers or they didn't do anything really egregious.
They just they had dumb plays.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
So brings What were you gonna say? It doesn't.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
It doesn't the fact that they did bad tonight. It
doesn't negate what happened against the Vikings and the Giants.
It doesn't a lot of people think it does, judging
by what I'm reading in the chat.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Yeah, I know Eagles Man nineteenth all out the window.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
So it's I I'm.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
The biggest Kevin Patulo. He there, but like there were
signs of goodness. Like like I said last week, if
we could continue it moving forward, I'll feel more comfortable.
Like if you have a good offensive showing against the
Lions and against the Cowboys, that's a big sign like that,
that's a that's a big voter confidence for me and
for the team because if you show that you can

(40:58):
go punch for bunch with the Lions, you know, I'm
gonna feel really strong about Kevin Patulo and this offense
if you.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Either he's gonna learn from this and be better. There
are a lot of smart people in that building and
they're not gonna let this go all year like this.
If he can't figure out how to do things in
a good point of sequence and a rhythm and a flow,
they'll make a change there at some point. So whether

(41:29):
they announced it or not.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
So that that changed change.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Let the quarterbacks coach call the plays, let you know, yeah,
I mean called the plays.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
I don't wasn't he and oc at like Bowling Green
or something?

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah, they were the head coach of Bowling Green.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Oh, he was the head coach of Bowling Green.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
Okay, So I like that you made that that statement
because that that that would kind of worry me a
little bit because we did something similar in twenty three.
Obviously we had a more season play caller in there
in Matt Patricia, and like it went really bad.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
So I'm like, this is that comparable? Though, like there
are there are examples of it going bad. There are examples,
and I'm talking NFL as a whole, there are examples
of it going well. When you switch pig play callers.
It does change itself up late in the season.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
Though.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Yes, yes, sure you can do example cold plays yesterday
and they.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Will give it to the quarterbacks coach or the o
C for a game or two if things aren't going well,
and then take it back. He's been doing his whole
career exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
There's so I guess my my question would be, do
we think Hollie is okay with and Nick is okay
with enough to basically just come out and be like, yeah,
we made a mistake, we were wrong. No, given, No,
they're gonna taking power away from Kevin and taking we're.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Going to give We're gonna let on the face on
such and such. You know they're no, they're not gonna
say we made it. They're not gonna fire the guy,
but I'm saying they will adjust and somebody else will
be either making strong suggestions or calling the plays.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
If this isn't that like a soft firing essnsion.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
But yeah, but yeah, I think you're making a little
too much of it of Pele. I think that, like,
obviously there are offensive coordinators that don't call plays, so
he can he will still have the title of offensive coordinator,
but just not call play, so he'll still be meeting rooms,
helping design the offense all that. But I get I'm

(43:42):
with less we.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Would probably have input into the play call. Yeah, nobody's saying,
you know, maybe we should do this instead of that.
You know, that's what I'm envisioning.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
No ice cream chocolate, not that.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
They're gonna, you know, call somebody in and start running
a single wing or something like that. You know. No,
they're just yeah, you can make you can find tune.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
His scripts to start each half have been good.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
They've been good. Yeah, they've been good.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
When the scripts aren't working, where he runs out of
plays that he scripted, that's when he seems to really struggle.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Yes, yeah, consistent, So VD Page says, look at the
Dolphins so much better and they have a new play caller,
look like a different team. It can work. I do
want to bring up just also this other comment from
Eagles man uh he says they haven't shown any consistency
all year. It's wee ten. They haven't shown at this point.
It's never happening. That's just a bold face like false.

(44:37):
Like we've seen last.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Year seventeen games.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Now, yeah, we've seen team turn it on in December
half way through. Completely different team in December.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
Like in the last like six or seven games to
end the season. Last Year's like that's kind of when
like the Eagles just went yeah, full into superstar, like god,
yeah the December.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
If you if we were in like mid December, then
I would see the worry.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
The last month of the season is the only is
what really matters, because like look at the downfall in
twenty three, like it was that last month or so
that like killed you.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
That's when everything got exposed. So it's you know, it's
it's I don't think it's too late for anything instill
halfway through the season.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Can we stop with the twenty three talk please? Like
that defense was inept, lie.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
On smoking a lot Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
The Niners put up a million points on them because
they had no defense up the middle, and the fact
that the defense couldn't stop anyone, it just drug the
whole thing down, and then Jalen Phillipart and the offense
fall apart. This is not twenty twenty three before.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
I don't want to get too far off on that,
But if you were the kind of team in twenty
twenty three that was, you know, well, maybe we can
sneak into the playoffs. You know, it wouldn't have mattered
so much that the defense was horrible, but those guys
had almost won the Super Bowl, probably should have won
the Super Bowl. And now they were realizing, like ten

(46:16):
twelve games into the next season, that they weren't good
enough to get back there, that that defense wasn't going
to get them back there, and I think the whole
team just kind of emotionally went. They got to where
they couldn't beat anybody. They just weren't into it. And
I don't think that's going to happen again.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
You didn't have sake twenty twenty three. Saquon Barkley was
not here. A J. Brown got hurt, didn't play in
the in the final. Yeah, the Giants, and the defense
was a wild game.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
The defense was night and day different from this group.
It wasn't even close to this group. But you.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
That are professional players.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
And the frustrating wins, you know, you can certainly see
why people bring it up, you know, because of the
silly win, you know, silly things that happen and you
somehow end up winning this game, the Rams game, you know.
But no, I don't think it's twenty twenty three, and

(47:21):
I think there are seven and two team that's beaten
a lot of it's probably beaten more good teams than
anybody in the league.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
You know, And we need to remind also people who don't.
We need to remind people that also, like they only
watch the Eagles and not a lot of like the
rest of the league, there are a lot of teams
that are facing really inconsistently. I mean we just faced
one in the in the Packers. They lost to the

(47:48):
the Panthers the week before. The brown Bills just lost
to the Dolphins exactly, so they get they just lose,
they got spanked on that.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
They got run out by the.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
I don't think I don't think there's a team in
this league that isn't success susceptible to loss, Like every
team can be beaten like convincingly on any given some day.
So like as frustrating as this win was, still and
I'm frustrated as anyone like I am, I'm really irritated

(48:24):
anyone hitting the panic button is they need to kind
of like you.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Just meet the Packers in at Lambeau. I don't care
what it looks like. They're They're a good team. They're
not a great team. They've been overhyped for the last
two years, but they're a good team. They're gonna go
probably to the playoffs. You know, they might win a
game like that's a good team, Like they've been overblown

(48:49):
because of the Micah Parsons trade. But they're still a
good team. And you got a good win. It was
an ugly win, but it's a good win.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yeah. I didn't think this was gonna be extravaganza. I
figured maybe a twenty to seventeen Eagles win.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
I thought it was gonna be a little bit more
high scoring than ten the seven. But I hear, I hear,
huh A lot of points, a lot of points. Who
bet me under?

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Also, also, this division is on.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Ice yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
The manners are cooked. The Giants fired their coach today, Yes, Dallas,
his average.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
At best in twenty.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
Is one concussion away from the Loody bent at this point,
like it's crazy by.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
My defense, thirty two there that is true, mostly because
of injury. We have no idea when Jurgons is going
to be back, but that would be nice.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
I'm okay with waiting for him. Like, yeah, I thought
he was suspect. He was suspect. I thought Tope has
been very good the last two weeks. Obviously the first
week he was suspect, and look this good against.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Giants he was okay sort of today.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
Yeah, when you when you're going against miss Wyatt like
kway Walker, like you've never really played what was the
last time we played center other than.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
This year, Like I hear, I'll say this way, while
this is the most suspect along we've had in years,
I guarantee you there are twenty teams that would kill
for this all exactly the fact that this is in
the league.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
Give up his left and right kindy at both testicles
for this offensive line.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Let's just be honest right now, Like yeah, CJ. Stroud
would kill for this offensive right let's.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
I think I think they should think about putting Fred
Johnson in at guard. I think I've seen enough from
Pylo Steam.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
What I'm okay with Tyler Stein.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
I don't know has been whether you're better offensive lineman
for the year.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
I won't know better because he has I don't think
I won't.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
I won't say better. I will not say better. I
will say he's been consistently solid. I don't think that
Fred Johnson moving him inside would be really a big solution.
I think Fred Johnson has shown he's capable at tackle,
and I wouldn't move up. When you when the issue
with the offensive line right now is injuries and inconsistency,

(51:34):
you don't take Tyler Steen, who's been consistent for what
he is, out because that just leads to more inconsistency.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
I kind of agree, but I don't. I'm not a
big Tyler Stein guy. I'm really not. Uh what we
really have to hope. I mean, I know Lane Johnson
came back and played tonight, but that doesn't necessarily mean
that he's wonderful for going on into the future. Let's
really hope that that's not like a high ankle, spraying

(52:03):
that he's going to be playing with for the rest
of the season and he's gonna not look like Lane Johnson.
And you know that could certainly happen, but that they
got to get healthy up there. They got to get
healthier anyway, and my a Lot has gotta stop sticking
stupid penalty.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yes, he's been terrible. He's been worse than bad.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
He's been. He's had a lot of this is the worst.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
It's all in his head, chucks. It's all in his head, chucks,
because he didn't have I've seen I've heard him say
the comment multiple times this year is like, all my
body's still tired from the Super Bowl run. Shut the
front door, kid.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Yeah, what's you get into it? Not coming from a
football culture, not really being somebody who grew up dying
to do this. You know, Yeah, it kind of makes
a difference. Sometimes he's responsible, said person, but he's not
somebody who's just boy, I can't wait to go out

(53:05):
and play football today.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
You know, I think that with with my Lot, I'll
still give him the benefit of the doubt. I think
that he'll he'll when when it comes time in December
and January, he's gonna play fine, but yo, I'm admitting
that he hasn't been He hasn't been his usual self
this season.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
My Alta said after Brandon Graham's first practice back with
the team, No, I did not that they were stretching,
and Graham yells to my Alta, Hey, fat boy, you're
already sweating that we ain't even started practice yet.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
That's coming from someone who's been on the radio and
podcast the first year and s j M. Dude, like
the Eagles offensive line last year was one of the
best of all time in the league's history.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
It well so, so yeah, he's asking what the point, Like,
what it means is. It just means that even though
we're not what we were last year, this line is
still good enough. It should be good enough and when healthy,
it should be good enough when healthy to still win.
That That's what I'm saying. Like we've been we've been

(54:19):
bitten with a lot of injuries. Like the beginning of
the year, you had Dickerson not being fully healthy, so
that that really hampered him. And now that he's he's healthier,
it's he's playing much better. Burgans isn't in there. Lane
just got hurt. So it's it's a confluence of a
lot of injuries that has really affected this line. But

(54:43):
if they are healthy going into the playoffs, the line
I think is still gonna be fine. It doesn't need
to be dominant. And I'm like, it's like like this comment,
I'm so tired of beIN being mentioned, Like, Okay, Becton
is a better run blocker, much better run blocker, and

(55:04):
that played into our our identity last year. I get it.
I get it. He wasn't a great pass blot.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
He gave it up, and I think people are are
forgetting that with like Becton did have his issues in
past protection and this is good. This goes to the
whole thing about like Stem. Yeah, he's not again, he
doesn't have the he's not a standout guy. But I'm
I'm not going to get on the guy when he's
been consistent all year. He's been consistently solid all year.

(55:39):
And just because he's not Beckon in the run game
doesn't mean we hating this dead horse of all. We
should have kept up, we should have kept back then.
Did you have you guys been watching the charge have.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
Been hurt almost he's he's in over there because like
like healthy energy, it is the mirrors available.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
It is like like the football god's divine intervention. That
the one year he was with us, he stayed healthy
all year.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
And I think knew better than to pay that guy.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
You know, yes, yeah, I mean I will get it twisted,
ridiculously cheap or something. I don't get it twisted. I
love Beckton. I always will for what he did for
us that that season. Like I love the guy. I
loved his story being able to come in here and
help deliver a Super Bowl and be as dominant as

(56:36):
he was as a run blocker. I love the guy.
But can we stop with the like we should have
we should have refined like it's it's it's not fair
to steam and it's it's just having hindsight twenty twenty twenty,
Like it's it's not it wasn't a good thing. It
wasn't going to be a good decision to keep him here.

(56:57):
I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
To the to the to mister Defense's point there. I
I understand what you're saying, and I'm a little frustrated
with Steen. I thought maybe he'd be better than he
than frankly average, which is kind of how I see him,
but you can't. You can't have everything. You know, they
had an embarrassment of riches last year for a lot

(57:20):
of good for a lot of reasons. It was Hari
Roseman was smart, but he was also lucky in a
lot of instances. You just can't maintain a one Pro
Bowl players at every position. It just isn't pay for that.
This isn't me MLB. They can't hand out deferred contracts

(57:43):
like the Dodgers do you know or anything. It's it's
just you got to get by with somebody like Stein
at right guard. You know, you don't get by at
like quarterback or edge rusher, but you got to get
by with something at right guard.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Yeah. Yeah, I think that if if the line wasn't
like Jurgens struggling, Dickerson struggling, if the line as a
whole wasn't struggling the way they were they had been
so far, I think this whole Tyler Stein thing is
not even mentioned. You're right, that's that's just I'm not
He's not going to be someone that I'm going to

(58:17):
point the finger and say like he's the problem, Like
is he a solution? Like is he an impact offensive lineman? No,
he's not. But he's far from the problem. So yeah,
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say him. So before
we go, this conversation is going to be It's going

(58:38):
to be talked about ad nauseum. I want to put
it now that the trade deadline's over. I want to
get everyone's just thoughts on this now and just put
it to rest until we get to the off season.
But Jacob Hensler and I know other people have said
this because we are one trading A J. Brown during
the draft. Just okay, just real quick, I don't have

(59:00):
to dive into it. Everyone give their thoughts. Are we
trading AJ Brown now?

Speaker 2 (59:05):
No?

Speaker 4 (59:06):
Probably when he starts doing push ups in the driveway,
then I'll start giving a ship like if anything. All
it does is this continues to show why AJ Brown
is not going anywhere because he, like everyone else in
the building, knows this should not be as bad as
it is.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
I agree, I agree, you accept, Except here's the thing.
If you can't figure out a way to consistently get
him involved in the offense, is there a point where
next spring you look at what you need at other
positions or in the draft of you think, well, you know,

(59:49):
we could draft a pretty good receiver in the second round.
He wouldn't be a J. Brown probably, but he could
be a really good receiver. And DeVante's an excellent receiver.
You know if we could get X for him, would
we think about it? Yeah, you'd have to, you know,

(01:00:10):
But I don't think it'll happen. But yeah it's possible.
But no, not one hundred percent. Now you're not anywhere
near him. You're ten percent trading.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
J I'm with you less. I think there's a slight
chance because I think that as you get closer to
was it twenty twenty nine? Is that when the TV
deals stop and all these all the dead moneies now
do for these contracts. I think when you get closer
to that, I think, how we has this in mind

(01:00:42):
and so he's going to have to really consider who's
going to be on long term. You know, as it
gets closer to that, what you said is perfectly put.
Can they depending on how the season goes, are they
going to have to shift their mindset to try to
allocate resources smartly to try to like offensive line, If

(01:01:04):
if Lane Johnson is close to retirement, you're gonna to
need his replacement. The top of the tackle. I'm sure
we could use a right guard because Stein can be
you get an upgrade from Steen. So offensive line is
one another corner could be another one. So like one
hundred percent, you have to consider it. Would I even
go as high as you didn't say ten percent, I'd

(01:01:26):
say like five percent at the most. So I I think, like,
and I'm not saying like you're crazy, I'm just saying like,
I think I'm in that range where it's so small
of a chance of it happening, and so I don't
expect it, but like, I'm also not gonna say it's impossible.
So yeah, I think you have to consider it. Because
because Aj is also aging, So like, yeah, at what

(01:01:49):
point do you say, okay, like he's an aging asset,
And I feel I feel taboo saying it. I like
saying he's aging and he's still an elite player, so
I feel really really guilty saying it. But like, is
he going to be in your long term plans five
years from now or even three years even three years
from now? So I don't I don't know. So, and

(01:02:12):
it's not like his contract is as flexible as saquans
from what I remember, because Saquon's I think after the
second year there's an out. So I think Saquon is
even more flexible. Even though he's aging. You can get
out of that contract two years from now, if I
remember correctly. So Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I don't.

(01:02:34):
I don't think it's fair. I don't think it's impossible,
but I think it's still very improbable. Brings what was your?
What was your?

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
He's the guy is a terrific player, yep. Yeah, and
just more he wants to get his stats and win.
But like, I didn't see him being a problem tonight,
even though.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
A point here that is very true. Yes, he had
a he did have a great.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Block there on the Yeah, on the I think it
was it was a pass play to take one. I
think it was right.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Guys who don't care and guys who don't want to
be there, they're not putting in the effort to make
that block. They're just standing there. Like I understand that, Like,
because we had the t O situation that people just
want to assume he's a riot egg, he's not. He's
a good guy. He wants the rock. He knows when

(01:03:34):
he gets the rock. Good things happen, and he knows
that this offense is not good enough, like I understand,
and yeah, we all know, like thirty points a game
like we were putting up like thirty points a game stake,
almost rushing for two hundred yards a game like he
was doing last year. You know, a j would sound stupid,
like he would look stupid. But that's not the case.

(01:03:54):
It's not the four offense and everything he says.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
I noticed, like last year when the whole thing started,
it was because the passing offense wasn't playing well. So
like it's not like he's ever wrong, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
So he said those things after a game against Carolina
that they barely won. It was a lot like tonight's game.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Frankly, like maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
Like maybe he should be better with how he presents
what he thinks. Absolutely what, it doesn't mean he's wrong.
Sometimes sometimes I don't put my statements as eloquently as
other people. But that doesn't mean I'm wrong just because
I don't put it that way.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Yeah, I agree, Yeah, yeah, so we're all on the
same page. But tonight was tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
We all agree it was a disaster, but I mean
it was a good disaster. They're opening as favorites at
home against the Lions next.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Week, which is crazy. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
I wouldn't even say it's a disaster. I would just
say it's a bizarre game. Any game, any time you
win against a decent team and and nobody gets.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Care about that. On w I P in ninety seven,
they're gonna be, They're gonna do the phone lines, they're
gonna be.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
That's what the focused on sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
ESPN is gonna have the little thing on the bottom.
If Jalen Hurts really that good, you know, fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
I don't care my my quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
Sam Donald's the MVP candidate with the exact same stances
as Jaleen Hurts, So you know, like I could really
care less about that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
That's I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
What not anymore. Sam Donald's on fire. He Jalen Hurts
is good, but he's not on fire like Donald. Donald's
the m v P right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Now, somebody else, Stafford or another one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Yes, how about this slate?

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Next week you got you got Denver in Kansas City.
For twenty five, you got Denver, uh Seattle and the Rams,
and then at eight thirty you got the Eagles and
the Lions.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
That's what I solid.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
Right there, Yeah, single handedly, Like right this ship for Denver,
they can somehow beat the Chiefs. You're like, you'll start
talking about them on a positive light again.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
If the if, if you guys, do those who are
listening in on film, don't lie. I'm coming on Wednesday morning.
We are going to talk about you know. Not only
we're gonna break down the film because I'm gonna watch
it tomorrow. We're gonna break down film of this Eagles
Packers game and see what what really went wrong on
the offensive side. But we are going to talk about
that matchup coming up the ram Seahawks. I am so

(01:06:49):
excited because you arguably the top two teams in the
NFC along with Eagles, and they're going at it. That's
going to be such a great game. So GM in
any final thoughts before we call a good late night
to you know, then then the show.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
If they lose next week to Detroit, which is obviously possible,
de Troy's playing really well right now, it's not gonna
look like this. It's gonna look no, it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
I agree, I agree.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
I lost next week tells you absolutely nothing, in my opinion,
Like unless it's a complete blow unless it's a blowout
like that's the only thing that will tell me. We'll
see the Troit's really good, like.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Really good too. They just don't always play.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
Like if they were playing the Cowboys and they went
out there and they lost, like I think that would
say more than me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Yeah, yeah, depends on how how it ends up. But gentlemen,
for those who are tuned in and and came on
to be with us for this post game recap shore
of the Eagles Packers, we greatly appreciate it. All of
you other the chat was flying today, so thank you,
even to the guys we didn't agree with on here.

(01:08:04):
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(01:08:24):
So for myself for brings for p Y and our
good friend Les Bowen. Thank you guys. The Eagles won
granted frustrating win. But they won. We are now what
seven and two, so we appreciate it for the rest
of you, for the rest of us. We'll see you guys,
same time next week. Peace.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Peace,