Eagles Talk Presented by A2DRadio: Eagles GIANT REDEMPTION Run Game Awakens For Blowout Victory

The Philadelphia Eagles' run game finally arrived! After struggling so far this season, the Eagles' rushing attack, led by Saquon Barkley and Tank Bigsby, dominated the New York Giants, controlling the line of scrimmage and hitting the Giants’ defense for numerous big runs. Is this the turning point for the Eagles' Super Bowl push? Also, has Kevin Patullo finally turned the corner as a playcaller? We break down the key runs, the play-calling changes, and what this dominant performance means for the rest of the Eagles' season.
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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(00:45):
Ten percent off of like a good cheese steak. That's
that's a good amount. That's good. I'll take it. It's
a boy chucks, it's brings, and it's p y. Gentlemen,
look alive. I know that it's we have to be
in good spirit. So no, I'm depressed. The Eagles are
six and two. So how you guys feeling after after

(01:07):
the dominant went over the Giants.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
I'm feeling good, feeling good. There's really nothing to be
dissatisfied about. I'm sure we'll have some negative nancies in
the comments that will have to talk, of course, which
comes with the territory here in Philadelphia. I mean, I
felt like I was watching the game from last year. Yeah,
time this year, which was nice. To see. I like
pounding teams into submission. I don't care that the Giants

(01:33):
are too and fine now two and six.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, I mean they beat us like two weeks ago,
so I mean it's it is what it is. So
yeah yeah, Oh I got the little one saying good night,
good night, go birds.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Go bed good.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Raise him right, baby, Yes, absolutely, he knows when he
goes to school, he go birds. He knows the e
A G L. You know, he knows all that. So
got the reason them right. I can't have I can't
have a non Eagles fan.

Speaker 5 (02:10):
We had a bunch of salty Giants fans at the
dealership today, so that was really nice.

Speaker 6 (02:16):
The second to walk in, I heard this push myke
like getting all mad.

Speaker 5 (02:22):
There's so did my boss walk in and he just
he looked all sad and defeat it, And my heart
kind of broke for him because he loves Scatterboo.

Speaker 6 (02:30):
That's his guy.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
That was that he's just like was going.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
There was plenty. There was plenty for the Giants to
complain about the refs. I'll give you that, but there
was just.

Speaker 6 (02:42):
A poorly officiated game, like both sides.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, there was certainly some stuff us Eagles fans could
can can rape it out as well, So.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
We'll touch on that. Let's let's start off. Let's kick
this off with the pole question. Let's see it's right here.
So we asked the question. Despite it being against a
Giant's league worst run defense. This Eagle's rushing attack performance
is a sign of things to come, or agree or
disagree before we get to it, let's bring in he's

(03:14):
joining us because we started a little bit fifty minutes late.
As you can see, I had a little bit of
dad duties to attend to a little one. Isn't a
sleep yet, but he'll be get into bed now. But
because we're starting a little late, we have our friend,
our good friend, Les Bowen, ready to jump in less.
How are you? How are things great?

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Guys? How's everyone there?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
We're good, we're good, high spirits, good spirits here. So
let's lead it off with you. Then, what do you
think with the with the pocost? Do you think this
is like, hey, take this with a grain of salt
because it's the Giants and they've been bad against the run.
Or do you do you think like, hey, this is
the run game is coming back.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
A little bit of both, but I'll say I'll agree,
I guess to the question because I think they've really
found something with this six offensive linemen with Fred Johnson
in there. In fact, I mean, this would spoil the
sixth thing, but I would kind of think about Fred
Johnson at right guard instead of Tyler Stein if it

(04:12):
were me, but because I think Fred Johnson is a
much stronger, much more powerful blocker. But I do think
they've they found something in the run game. I think
it is gonna be better. I think they've the guys
like my Alotta and and you know, the returning starters Dickerson,
they've kind of settled down now and they're gonna really

(04:35):
be on their game and stop screwing around. And I
think I do think it will be better. Is it
gonna be as good as it was yesterday? Probably not,
you know, I mean that that was two hundred and
seventy six yards is quite a bit, and two hundred
yard rushers you don't get that very often. But yeah,

(04:55):
I think it's a sign of things to come with
the caveat that it's not gonna look like yesterday.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. Let's go to let's let's
go to p Y because you weren't here last week?
Well what say you?

Speaker 5 (05:14):
Yeah, I do think it's a sign of things to come.
And it's not just from Saquon or even Tank Bixby.
Like the line looked good, like obviously, like Les was saying,
like Fred Johnson being there as your six guy is important. Hell,
I'd rather him just be tight end too, for just
being there to block, like, because look, I like Grant

(05:35):
Kyle Katara. He's a solid pass catcher, but he he
if he's gonna be out there, he doesn't really do
anything for me in the blocking game. He's atrocious at it,
and like you know what I mean, Like unless he's
out there strictly to like catch a ball and Dallascott
is just blogging, that's fine, But like, make Fred Johnson
more involved in the offense, because when you have six

(05:56):
guys out there, it's helping it. Not to mention the
fact that we're starting to run it or under center
and play under center more, which is opening up the
play action to where which is making Patool's play calling
at times be a little bit more advanced and it's
not as predictable. Okay, they're running, they're in shotgun and
Saquon's three inches away from Jalen.

Speaker 6 (06:17):
It's a run.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
No, you're under you're under center. You can play around
with stuff. You can use more motion, which is what
they used on Sunday. Not to mention the fact Landen
doesn't look like an eighty five year old man. He
doesn't look hurt like. He looks like those weeks off
helped him, just like it's probably helping Cam Jurgens right now.
Obviously he's nurse in an injury, but getting some more

(06:41):
recovery time from that back injury is huge. Nut and
Brett teuf tofo good like it wasn't like exceptional or
anything like that, but like the the line.

Speaker 6 (06:53):
Is starting to get healthy and starting to build a
little bit of cohesion.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
Obviously, we need to see how things go when when
Jurgens comes back. I'm I'm not with less where I'm
gonna take out Steen for for for Fred Johnson, because
I think Steen has been has probably been your best
offensive lineman all year other other than like late like,
he's been one of your more consistent guys.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
I wouldn't say best, I'd say consistent. Yeah, there's a difference,
but yeah.

Speaker 7 (07:22):
I.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
Understand like we're not We're not gonna rush two ninety
six every week.

Speaker 6 (07:27):
That's just not happening.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
But like you saw the burst in Saquon, it's still
there and you can kind of see why he just
wasn't getting off and he wasn't like hit hitting his
strides like he did last year, just because it just
wasn't there with the line, like they weren't building for him.
Every every time they were running the ball, like three

(07:50):
yards up, he's already hit, whereas last year there'd be
five six yards before it gets touched. And I think
like moving forward with a healthy offensive line with more
creativity going under a center, with more motion stuff, you know,
the fact that you're going to have a fresher sakung
because if Tank Bitskby continues doing what he's doing, like

(08:10):
you're gonna that's gonna be a deadly one two punch
like anth you're throwing shifpley here and there. So yeah,
like the Giants run defense was atrocious, but they were
atrocious two weeks ago and we could barely get anything going.
So this is a major step in the right direction.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Brings Yeah, I mean, it's definitely. I mean, I said
at the top of the show. It felt like last year.
Felt like last year they pounded their opponent into submission.
It opened up everything else. I understand that they have
a buy next week, and that's good for the health
standpoint of the team because AJ missed yesterday, Cam's missed,

(08:48):
Land has been banned up. But I kind of wish
they had a game next week see if we have
have something here, rather than taking a week off and
then going up to Lambeau for probably your hardest regular
season game of the season, at least on paper. It
looks like on paper for the whole rest of the way.
But I mean, the talent's been there. They just had

(09:11):
the fine tune some stuff.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
You know.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
I said last week that I was sick and tired
of hearing that, you know, Oh, well, we just need
to hold this block a second longer and then we're
gonna get get paid her. I was sick of here
in that last week. They held the blocks they blocked well.
Ken Batullo had a great game plan and yeah in
game as well, so creative, very creative. My favorite play

(09:35):
of the whole game. It wasn't a running play, but
like they Jalen rolled out and Dallas kind of like
slipped out and they hit him and he ran in.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Needs to be more of that, Like I love that
play called They do it every once in a while,
but it's always there.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
It's you can't wait either Jail's gonna run for a
touchdown or catch a touchdown.

Speaker 6 (09:53):
Then the fact that he's.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
Like faking him out with the run, like he does
a little heavy where he looks like he's gonna throw
it and then and he hits gother and they fall
forth every time, Like it's it's like Lebrian than Lane
where he does that little move that you know he's
going to do, and yet they bite every single time.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
But I sure hope it's a sign of things to come.
I really do. I like you have. The football is
not that hard we sit on here on these podcasts
and these idiots I've been watching all day that team
that don't want to give the Eagles credit for anything
they do. I've been watching. It's all very hard. It's
it's it's really not you went up front and you

(10:31):
don't you win in the trenches and you don't turn
the ball over. That's what the Eagles do. That's well
how they that, that's how they're built to win, and
they did that yesterday. Jalen has one interception and no
fumbles on the season.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
So when he touchdowns two turnovers through eight games, which
is a fumble, does he have a fumble? He doesn't
have a fumble.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Okay, he has a fumble. Okay, but.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
You don't remember when the fumble was.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
I didn't recall one.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, I can't. I can't remember. I believe you. I'm
just I can't remember.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
I kind of track like every week because I'm very
curious how everything compares between twenty three, twenty four and
twenty five. It's kind of what I do after at
the end of every week, I believe a.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Big hit and I can't remember now.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Who was it lost? Would he lose it or no?

Speaker 4 (11:21):
Yeah? Yeah he lost? Yeah, that's what.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
I can't remember now. It's bothering me. I'll all be
about to look it up after but uh yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
That's so.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
It's ridiculous. He's having his best season since twenty two,
and it's gonna end up being better than twenty two.

Speaker 6 (11:38):
Most likely. He's on pace for thirty two touchdowns and
I'm like four interceptions.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, he's but we'll get into like the jail and
hurts stuff aside it in a bit, But uh, for
me answering the Polk question, I'm going to agree. I
think that all you had points. I think what's what
the comment? I mean, you all did too. Why I
don't know why. It is against the a really bad

(12:04):
run defense. So, like you guys said, it's not going
to lead to two hundred plus yard rushing performances every week.
But I think what makes me hopeful that it's going
to be good from here on now is because of
the concepts. They're running a really good stat here. And

(12:24):
I got it from my good friends Shane Half. Before
this week the Eagles were running gap scheme runs thirty
one percent of the time. Uh, and we gate against
the Giants they ran gap scheme runs seventy So there's
a lot of uh, you know, a lot of pulling.

(12:44):
You got you talked about Brett talk having a good game.
They pulled him a lot, and they got those linemen
out on the move out in space and like they
had like the first flushdown run the sixty five yard
by sake was duo. We don't run duo a lot.
We run inside zone. And I know they look similar
there are differences, but we ran duo and it turned

(13:07):
into a sixty five yard house call. So little things
like that, and even if they don't specialize or you know,
or lean into gapscene runs seventy percent of the time
from here on out. I think the fact that they're
willing to switch it up because last week it was
let's lean on more outside runs, right, and twelve having

(13:31):
to come in kind of was like the kind of
just just put a wrench in that, but him playing
better today and then now us going more gaps team.
I think that Kevin Patulo is really looking at this
and saying, each week there's a matchup that we can exploit,
and let's base our run game based on, you know,
based on the matchups. And I like that, and I

(13:55):
like that he's tapping into more concepts that are in
the playbook that aren't just inside zone, inside zone, inside zone, right.
So I loved it. I think that that you you
you couple that with the fact that the O line
is healthy and playing better, That's that's what's going to

(14:15):
make everything kind of click, and we're gonna get a
good test after the bye week. We arguably have like
the our toughest matchup or toughest opponent in the Packers
in two weeks. So it's gonna be a good test.
But I'm very hopeful. I'm very hopeful about what this
ringing can do and get back to. Maybe even if
it's not like dominant like twenty twenty four, it can

(14:37):
still cause problems to where the defense can't can't play
our passing game the way it was you know before. So, uh,
that kind of leads me to this. You know, the
next topic is for the next yeah, the next uh
point that we and I'm I'm gonna get on myself

(15:01):
for this because after the Giants loss, I even got
emotional and wanted change. Uh, But I have been preaching patients, uh.
And I think we have to give credit to Kevin Patulo.
I had said as the we as the season goes,
he does deserve time to show that he can improve,

(15:24):
and after that loss to the Giants, he's improved. He
has done things. And I think this is the first
game where we've seen for four quarters that him and
herts were absolutely like on the same page. You can
see that they're they're dialing up stuff like the under
center play action was still there and they had I

(15:45):
think three undersenter, three understand play action plays. I think
out of all I think under center snaps, it was
like eleven or twelve. I have to I have to check.
I forget where the exact number is, but we still
call it understenter play action. So it was it's it's
a good thing that they're they know now what they're
kind of leaning on. So credit to Kevin Patulo.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Uh p y.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
I wanted you on here because I wanted you because
you've been the biggest Kevin Patullo hater and doubt her
since since day one, since the day he was hired.
So I let's go to you first and then less.
But what like, what are your thoughts of are you
willing to give Ken his? Is his?

Speaker 4 (16:27):
Just do?

Speaker 5 (16:32):
Okay, they've looked better the last few weeks.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
That's great.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
I'm I'm actually encouraged by that.

Speaker 6 (16:38):
The argument I would make is.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
Like, while we're making creative changes, which is good going
under center, how much of that is by design from
Kevin Patulo or by necessity? Because Cam Jurgens is out,
you have Brett toaf under there that.

Speaker 6 (16:56):
You can't do that.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
You can't I can't, no, no, because because I I
wondered that, and I'm just being fair. I'm not trying
to throw you, but I wondered that too. But after
the game they had talked everyone that you was asked
about it, and in the press conferences and in the
interviews said that that going under center and more was

(17:18):
actually part of the game plan all along. I think
talk being in there last week kind of made them
stick with it even more. It pushed on them to
be like, okay, like we have to make sure we
stay under center, but it was part of the game plan,
so you can't take that away from it.

Speaker 6 (17:35):
I'm not taking it away. I'm I said. I given
them credit for being creative.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
I'm giving them credit for being putting jam with under center,
which is good, which has been a big improvement. But
my argument was, what what was it more? Was it
more this is the game plan? Or was it more
this is this is what's happening because of an injury.
If it's the first one, congratulations, good job, smart thinking.

(18:01):
Let's see more of that. But if it's the second one,
like you get a little half half handshake, you know
what I mean? Like he he was better with motion.
It was more creative. Guys who are getting open he's not.
I think a big portion of what he did in
the last few weeks is.

Speaker 6 (18:18):
Keep it simple, stupid.

Speaker 5 (18:19):
He's simplified things like he didn't try and overcomplicate it.
Like you have these weapons, you have Jalen, Let Jalen
do what Jalen does best, like let him find guys,
let him hit the deep shots. He's one of the
most effective deep ball throwers in the NFL. And you
know how you establish and you're able to get these
guys open play action, that's gonna help the run game,

(18:42):
you know, like having a big run game going forward
to make a huge difference. I saw people already talking
about Kevin Patua is a head coaching possible hier next year,
which is is crazy.

Speaker 7 (18:56):
After yeah, you basically hold on like basically anything this
guy does, anything this Eagles offense does, according to some
and p wis here in front of me, so you're
basically at the head of that train.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Has nothing to do with Kevin Petula.

Speaker 6 (19:16):
I didn't say that. I said I said, I never
said that he had nothing to do it. I'm giving
him credit for things. What do you want for me?

Speaker 8 (19:23):
It's so, what does.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
This guy have to do? Because you you How about.

Speaker 6 (19:38):
I see it a little bit more.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
Can two weeks not be enough for me to be like,
all right, cool, he fixed everything.

Speaker 6 (19:44):
Let's let's see what everything looks like after the bye.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
If we play the Packers and we look like this,
you know what, then I think my worries will be
over because that's the Packers.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
They're pretty good.

Speaker 6 (19:55):
I don't need them to beat the Packers.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
I need to see the offense continue down this this stretch.
Like if he continues being creative having Jalen under a
center and simplifying the offense with the passing rounds and
things like that, I would feel very confident moving forward
with Kevin Battuo.

Speaker 6 (20:14):
But it's been two weeks.

Speaker 5 (20:16):
And that's just too much of a too small of
a sample size for me to jump on the bagwagon
just yet. I think that's a rational thing. That's a
rational thing.

Speaker 6 (20:26):
Not being rational.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
This book.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
I've read this book before, like with with these fans,
like it's just like, oh, yeah, that was cool, but
you're not talking.

Speaker 6 (20:37):
I know you're not talking.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
It's why it is rational. But I have to also
get on you because after two games of bad play,
you were already out on on Kevin Matua game. You
were out on him after like two games. I could,
I could maybe argue you were out on him on one.
We were we are in the same after two games,

(20:59):
you're like.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
It like I have six games of not stellar offensive
play college that.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
I am saying, Oh, that's that's not what I said.
I said after two games, after week two you were ready.
You are already out on because.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
I get it, like what I saw, but I don't
want if we had let's say we had two weeks
see why.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
But I'm just I'm just calling out the hipocrisy.

Speaker 6 (21:29):
Me explain myself.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
I'm trying. I'm just stating my point. I'm saying, after
two games of bad offense in this year, so after
week two you were out on him. But now you're
saying two games of good offensive is not enough for you.
That I'm just pointing out the hippocac.

Speaker 5 (21:49):
So let's let's let's stop your nonsense right there. So
if it was just two games and then he started
going on his tretch, that'd be like I I rushed
to judgment on that, I would have said that.

Speaker 6 (22:00):
However, it wasn't two games.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
It was six games of inconsistent bad.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Two games of.

Speaker 6 (22:10):
No, no, I don't care about halfs.

Speaker 5 (22:11):
I care about games, consistent games. We've had two games
full games of good play calling too, not halves to
full games. And you'll give you a few more games
of consistent play calling like this, I'm ready to get
on the board.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
But for six.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
Games, this was a roller coaster of nonsense and shenanigans
for six weeks.

Speaker 6 (22:35):
And I'm sorry that during those six weeks he hasn't
He didn't look good. He didn't like from start to finish,
Like but Jalen going.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
Nuclear in a few fourth quarters, like that's not doing
it for me.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
But also like it was again in our group chat,
and I'm gonna get to less because I'm want less
his opinion. But like you, there were so many times
where it would be a good play calling within the
first six weeks, it would be something positive the offense
is doing on a drive, and you still were not
You were not willing to give Kevin his credit. You

(23:11):
were you You constantly were saying, oh, but Jalen Hurts
called an audible Oh but you know Jalen Hurts doing this.
Oh but like did he really call that play? Like
little comments like that I know you, and so like,
isn't this there isn't there is a level of hypocrisy
here that I want to put.

Speaker 6 (23:29):
To give him a chance.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
I'm understanding you understand that when Jalen Hurts calls an
audible at the line, it's something that was installed by.

Speaker 5 (23:42):
Installed, because I'm pretty sure I have video sequence saying
that's not that's one play.

Speaker 6 (23:48):
That's one play like there were other times, really you.

Speaker 9 (23:52):
Were They've been forced to like run in the first
six weeks like this, are we just forgetting that?

Speaker 5 (24:03):
Like, no, we're to give him his flowers. In the
last two weeks, it's been very good. Can I have
more of that? Can we have maybe two more weeks
of play calling and more comfortable?

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yes, I don't mind you know what I'm saying. I
don't mind you wanting more than just two games. Be
sure to be all in. Yes, that's been my point.
I'm saying that's fine. All I'm pointing out is the
hypocrisy because after two games this year, you were out
on him, and that's why I kept saying. So, I'm

(24:37):
just saying that. That's my point is that it's fine
to want more than two games, but you have to
have you have to be consistent on both sides of it.
So less what is so? What is your your your
stance on Kevin Patula, Like do you think this is
something that is kind of sustainable? Kind of like in
the conversation we had with the with the you know,
rustling attack, like, are you starting to be hopeful that

(24:59):
he is faking and them stuff out? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (25:01):
I think I am. I don't think they did things
yesterday because Brett Cothe was at center. I don't think
they did anything that was a lot simpler or or
a lot different than they would have done with Jiggins.
I don't know. Maybe they did, but I didn't see that.
What I think is it took them a long time.

(25:22):
This is what Hurts talked about at length yesterday and
his post gay press conference. For whatever reason, every time
they changed the offensive coordinator of the play caller, they
have this long adjustment period where they can't seem to
figure out what to do. I just feel like they're

(25:43):
finally settling in to their you know, the way they
want to play.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
I'm not sure that it's gonna be totally solved now,
but what I would have wanted three or four weeks
ago when people were upset, I was not really thinking
they should fire him. I was thinking, well, bring in
some kind of consultant or somebody to do the kinds
of things that we've seen the last two weeks. So

(26:12):
now we're seeing so we don't need that, you know. Yeah,
I'm okay with the set up the way it is.
I have no way of knowing what the rest of
the season will be. They've got tough they've got packers, lions,
you know, went up here. Who knows what the hell
is going to happen? You saw, you know when scamp

(26:33):
Camp Scatibow went down yesterday, the giants hopes for the
season pretty much went with you know, we don't know,
but I do think you know, this is uh, they're
building on stuff. It seems to me that's how it
looks anyway.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah, yeah, and it's it's a process. And that's what
I'm saying, Like, I'm sure we're gonna have tough opponents
off matchups where the offense is not gonna have their lumps,
you know, But I think it's always been and this
is why, you know, and Brinks made this point weeks ago,
and it's still stuck with me. As a great point,

(27:13):
and it's it, you know, it backs up what I've
been saying is that like there is a learning process
with with Kefft Batullo. Is that ideal for like, you know,
a win now team that's trying to repeat, No, like
you don't want to have an OC that has to
go through a learning process. And to that point, I
I understood p wise concern over hiring Keft Patullo as

(27:37):
an in house higher.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
That was.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
I don't think he's quick to make these adjustments. I
think there are I love Hurts, I think he's great,
he's a wonderful leader. But I think they're probably quarterbacks
that could go with the flow a little easier than
he does. You know, I really think each one of
these guys, it's like pulling teeth to get them on
the same wavelength. And I don't really know why. It

(28:02):
can't be just the guys that they bring in. Yes,
has to be a little bit his his way of
looking at things, his personality, his you know, his his mindset.
It is what it is that. I mean, they're not
going to change him either. I would want them to.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
I would what I do find hopeful from Jill and Hurts.
His side is that, you know, we the question is
always an understandable and fair question has been since Hurts
has been with Siriani. Is that okay? Like how much
of this basic and simple offense is because Hurts only

(28:40):
wants to run certain certain concepts right? And that's that's
always been a fair question, because that's also been a
thing and the two consonants have been Hurt and Sirianni.
So you have to ask the questions, and none of
us on the outside know the true answer. It's something
we keep wondering. But what gives me, and it's similar
to last year is when Kellen Moore came in and

(29:06):
did and implemented some things from his offense to integrate
with our you know, the scheme that Sirianni had. There
were new stuff that he added into it and all,
but not I won't say almost run out because it
was like we saw a lot of it against Green
Bay week one, but then it kind of went away
for for a period and I don't know why. But

(29:26):
like you know, the the high higher use of motion
more one, yeah, exactly, So like we saw these Kevin
Kellen Moore wrinkles. You know, also with the run game
more outside zone. We finally ran outside zone. So there
are wrinkles that were new last year that caught on.

(29:48):
And so now this year you got a new offensive coordinator.
And what I really enjoy is that, Hey, now for
the first time, we're seeing a lot of under center
and we're using under center play action. That's never been
a thing like that has never been a thing with
this Hurtsincerionni offense. So the fact that they're doing that
from Hurts' perspective, that makes that lets me know that, Hey,

(30:11):
Hurts is open and able to do new things. From
a schematic standpoint, maybe it takes a little bit for
him to get comfortable with it, and maybe that's a
part of why it takes a little while, but he's
he's able and willing and that that's a really good thing.
Because this passing offense is running offense. Everything has to

(30:33):
keep evolving as as defenses touch on and know how
to defend this offense. They have to be able to
change things up as they go along. And the good
thing about this team is that this roster has the
talent to do whatever they want to, you know what
I mean. There are there are teams that don't have

(30:55):
the talent to switch it up at whenever they want,
like they they if their run game gets stopped, they
don't have like the talent receiver to really do anything
about it, right or vice versa. If they if defenses
find a way to stop their passing attack, they don't
have the running game to kind of offset, right or

(31:17):
the Eagles can do any anything they want, anything they want,
it just has to have the coaches do the play
calling in the system to to kind of like help
them figure that stuff out. So it is, it is hopeful,
and I think that moving forward we will get more
And again be why I'm not I'm not saying that
we shouldn't have more than two games of this to

(31:38):
buy in. I'm with you on that. I just I'm
trying to hammer the point that, hey, like, this was
always going to be a process and for someone and
it's not just you. It was a lot of fans
to to have been out already so early in the season.
It's it kind of shows that, hey, like, patience is
a thing. It development is it applies to coaches to

(32:03):
not just players. So so there's that, So, uh, breaks
anything you wanted to add with the Patula conversation before
we move to I definitely want to talk about Jailen Hurts.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
So cool, we hit on everything, we can move on,
all right.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Awesome, So then we'll lead off with you of this.
Let's let's go to the Jailing Hurts conversation. Uh, he
didn't have a ton of yardage. He didn't need to
have a ton of yardage. Yes, but four touchdowns, like
I counted watching the film, one or two plays that
you probably haven't want to have back. And when there's

(32:39):
only one or two plays like that's that's awesome. That's
an awesome day for for Jailing Hurts. So looking at
the rest of the kind of Kennedys and looking at
you know, the rest of the field Jalen Hurts me
in the v m VP conversation and that's our best.
Let's do our best to take off our Eagles colored sunglasses. Right,

(33:03):
should Jalen Hurts legitimately be in the in the MVP conversation? Brinks?
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yeah? I mean when I say legit, he's the top
five candidate, I would say he's playing really well. He's
not turning the ball over. Does he have like the
wow resume? That he's good that he has right now
to win it. No, he doesn't. He's just playing solid,
solid football on the team's winning. I think Jonathan Taylor

(33:29):
would be my vote today, but but that just doesn't
happen for running backs apparently. But he's certainly in the middle,
and he's got a lot of Look, we got I
had the schedule up right here, I mean we got
we got the Packers on the road, The Lions Chargers

(33:50):
are coming up. That's out there. Looks like that's a
primetime game of some kind. The Bears are kind of
hanging around here. That game will be at home on
a black Fry games a little bit of a weird
start there, and you have the bill you got to
go off the Buffalo later on. So like there's there's
plenty of chances here if they keep rolling off wins

(34:10):
for Jalen Herbs to put his stamp on this MVP resume.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, yeah, less, what do you think?

Speaker 6 (34:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (34:19):
You know, going into yesterday, people were talking about Baker
Mayfield and Dak Prescott. Neither of them had a great
day yesterday. In fact, Dak had a pretty poor day yesterday.
It was mostly his defense, but he threw a couple
of picks. He didn't look like an MVP. What I'm
trying to say is it's wide open. I mean Rob
brought up the guy Taylor in Indianapolis or but the

(34:42):
Colts they beat the Titans every week. It seems like
to me, I don't know, you know, who do they play?
You know, have they beaten anybody with a winning record?
I don't know, but yeah, Taylor's having an amazing year.
And but there's nobody that I would say, Oh, this
guy has to be the MVP. What are you talking about,
Jalen Hurts or Baker Mayfield? You know that, hands down,

(35:06):
it's got to be this other guy. No, there's nothing
like that. We got half the season, more than half
the season technically left. Sure, put him in the conversation,
but I wouldn't, you know, threaten to fight anybody who
said he wasn't the MVV or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, yeah, Pee, I I know what you're gonna say,
but go ahead.

Speaker 5 (35:28):
Yes, he's one hundred percent in the discussion the NFL
in total touchdowns. He has only two turnovers through eight games.
You know, was he had like a one to fourteen
point one or something like passer rating right now, like
he's super efficient, like he's doing everything he needs to do,

(35:48):
Like he's he's playing like a top five quarterback right now,
like like what more could you ask for him? And
like Baker Mayfield, you're Sam was running away with it
and then they had his most recent game was in
the mix, like he is every year the first six
games and then he turns into a pumpkin when he
stops beating up tomato cans. You know, justin Herbert was

(36:09):
the MVP of the league through four weeks and then
he threw like six picks or something, and then that
one away, Like there isn't no, there isn't like six picks.
There isn't like a clear cut favorite for MVP right now,
like like it's wide open, like if you if you
go through some games, like if he beat like he

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goes to stretch, you know, you're beating the Lions, you're
beating the Packers, you beat the Bills, you beat the Chargers,
like and you and you shove up these other quarterbacks.
You can make a statement and show your MV you
are the MVP, And it's hard to not want to
vote for that guy who went through those.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
He fubbled against the Rams, by the way, and now
that I looked it up.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
Yeah, it was the hit in the pocket, I remember it. Yeah,
it was a sack against the Rams. I don't remember
who gave it up, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
And he lost that fumble. I so weird to me
that I have no recollection of this.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
I mean, square, you don't blame him at all for fumbling.
I mean it was like he was defenseless, he wondered.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
You know, yeah, Okay, if you.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Have you would be able to point out all Man
this time against the range.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
The perfect year.

Speaker 5 (37:24):
If I told you he fumbled or through the reception,
you'd be like, oh cool, which game because.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
You gotta be worse seven. Yeah, yeah, I'll have to
go back and look a because I don't. It's so weird.
I don't recall it.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
Bother meared verse, Yeah, I think amazing.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
So MVP odds as of right now, if I go
on Caesars right, just just on Caesars. Patrick Mahomes plus
two hundred, Josh Allen plus three fifty, Drake May plus
three seventy five, Matt Stafford plus eleven hundred, bakers At
plus twelve hundred, Jonathan Taylor who running backs jonth Taylor
plus twelve hundred, Jordan Love plus fourteen hundred, Daniel Jones

(38:08):
plus fifteen hundred. Oh, Pete's gonna love that. Jared Goff
plus eighteen hundred, and then Jalen Hurts. That's what tenth
best odds at plus twenty two hundred.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Yeah, they don't come up. If he continues to play well,
he'll be up.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
I think the next next stretch of games against you
said like Packers Lions, if he has games like this
against them, yeah, those odds are gonna come up. But yeah,
right now he's tenth.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Uh. I think Drake May is getting the same boost
that is that Tom Brady used to get in that
suddenly he said a bad division. Other than the.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Bills, they've been He's been playing really.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
Well though a hell of a year.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
May they're good.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, the team, I don't know if the team is
that good. Drake May is the truth. Drake May is amazing, amazing.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
So I was a big guy when I was a
very young man in Charlotte, right before I came up
here in the early eighties. His dad, Mike May, was
like a huge prospect.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Oh shoot, he had to.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
Retire he played college ball. I want to say he
went to either North Carolina or Virginia and he just
he had to retire for concussions or something. Okays, they
had the brother of the basketball player.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah, so yeah, may I think his name was Yun.
I think he he had like a big shot against
Kentucky and the Elite eight. It's a whole They did
a whole thing of him when he got drafted. About
the family, they're like targial royalty down there.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Wow, Wow, that's good.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
So it's good to see him bowling. Yeah, I think
Hurts has to be an mv MVP conversation. I mean,
there are names here that I would consider him over.
I don't know like how far I go, but it
it is just one kind of like jumbled mess, like
pee why said I agree with him one day? It's

(40:04):
just like there's no clearcut. There's no clearcut.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Guy.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
I mean, if it's gonna be up to me, I'm
gonna give to Jonathan Taylor. But no one asked me
for a vocals. I'd woke for a running back every
year to an MVP.

Speaker 5 (40:16):
But I'm calling it like because it's already looking like this,
like I think Taylor's gonna rush for two thousand yards
and twenty plus touchdowns and they're still not going to
give it to him. He has a scene right now,
doesn't He's He's yeah, he's got like an insane amount.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
He's gonna break the record.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
But yeah, he's like last year then.

Speaker 5 (40:33):
Yeah, but Seguin had fourteen at the end of the season.

Speaker 6 (40:37):
Taylor has fourteen through eight games.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, I mean like Jonathan Taylor would have to I
still don't think there's any possible way he wins it.
He'd have to break like almost every record.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yet.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Uh, that's a good question. I I feel like they did.
Uh no, Week eleven is there by?

Speaker 5 (41:03):
Yeah, do they give him an This is just a
random question, just because I'm curious. Do you think they
give Joe Daniel Jones an in season extension?

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Why not?

Speaker 5 (41:16):
Because remember, remember, we'll get what the Seahawks are doing
right now. They will phenomenal because they went out and
they got Donald. Obviously, I wasn't the biggest fan and
Minnesota put out. I think they put a lot of
stock in JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 6 (41:33):
And they let him walk. Do you want to risk
something like that happening?

Speaker 5 (41:37):
That's a good question because like Joe at least, like
the difference between him and Darnlald was like you've seen
you've actually seen them, like go to the playoffs before
you saw he has a he had a playoff win
under his belt, and maybe like, all right, cool, this
is like maybe this is our guy moving forward.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
I would leave it up to Shane Steik and if
that's what he wants, that's what I do.

Speaker 8 (42:01):
Know.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
If you're sing you every week, you just should just
start depositing money into Daniel Jones's bank account.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
But this brings up one of my favorite subjects, the
whole quarterback thing and drafting and developing quarterbacks and.

Speaker 10 (42:15):
How it's important where you go. Matthers, Yeah, you know,
I mean I've seen like c J. Stroud had a
great day yesterday, but before that people were like, oh,
he's not that good. He hasn't ye, I'll take CJ.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
Stroud. They have a horrible it was he had his room,
you know.

Speaker 11 (42:40):
Uh yeah, But it's so hard to know what these
guys get put in these ridiculous situations and you develop
bad habits and you try to win games on your own,
as Jalen Hurts did in the second half of the
twenty twenty three season when he did throw interceptions because he.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
Felt like they had to have a touchdown ye every
possession because their defense was so horrible. You know, he's
not the same guy. And I think Daniel Jones out
of that mess in New York, just like when you
took out of that mess in New York. You know,
I mean he's not He's not on a level, but
you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (43:17):
I think it matters, Like because Jeffrey Larry was talking
about it when he was talking about Hurts, like all
the things that he does that makes him like perfect
for this city because there're certain court like Wentz is
a perfect example, he just couldn't handle it, like from
a mental aspect, like he just wasn't capable of doing it.
Great quarterback, you know, good arm strength, all all the

(43:39):
stuff that you want from a quarterback, but like he
just wasn't mentally strong enough to handle the job and
what it comes with to be a quarterback in Philadelphia.
Jalen Hurts like he may not have Wentz's like arm capabilities,
but everything else makes him the perfect guy to be
in the city and be the quarter because.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Nothing and while we're on wins. You know, I think
he lost once he got hit a lot of times
and started getting hurt frequently, lost his pocket presence. Big
part of what he was good with, you know, is
his first few years in Philly. I think that eventually eroded.

(44:23):
And now he's really tough to watch. And now it's
season's over, you know.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
Uh, And they knew, like, let's just be honest, they
knew he was hurt, and they kept throwing them out
like I'm not like, I'm not like throwing a pity
party for Carson Wentz, but like, I mean, he nearly
knew he was hurt and he wasn't ready, and instead
of throwing your your guy, you drafted in the first
round out there because you know he sucks, you know

(44:48):
he's not good enough, and you're just trying to save face.
That's literally what's happening right now, and you don't want
to admit, well, we should have camp Sam Darnold.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Well, I mean, I think they I have to believe
that JJ McCarthy still isn't there, and they don't want
to rush him back.

Speaker 6 (45:07):
The guy.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
They know that they they know that McCarthy is not
there yet. In terms of like obviously performance wise, but
they want to get him reps. He needs plays, playing time.
So I don't think he's one hundred percent there yet.
I think if he was, they they'd play him. But
you know what you said about like the the weds thing, Yeah,

(45:28):
it's it's it sucks the sea because he was he
was hurt and he was still in the you have
all that. But yeah, yeah, it's a typical it's a
typical wedds thing.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
But Donald's doing what he's doing. And then just one
last thing on the m VP thing. Uh, to put
in perspective, how good Saquon barklew is last year? Jonathan Taylor,
He's been scored short the whole season. He's only on
pace for sixteen hundred and ninety.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Three yards rush. Wow. Really, yeah, I would have thought
he'd be close to two thousand.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
He's only he's at ninety nine point six yards per
game through seven games.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (46:06):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
The touchdowns thing, it's a touchdowns thing.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
It's the touch He's got way more to He's got
a crazy amount of touchdowns. Yeah, I can't. But from
a yardish standpoint, he's not even He's not on pace
to have anything near what saf.

Speaker 12 (46:21):
That's crazy that that just goes to sniff at the
m v P.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
So even though I would vote for him and sounds
like Chucks, you would vote for him for m v
P today, he's.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Not gonna get it.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
It's just never, they're never gonna win.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Never it's a quarterback. It's a quarterback award now, which
is unfortunate or whatever. Uh. But like to to Leus's
point about the pub development thing, it really is like
and I've I've heard I forget who it was a
former Hall of Fame quarterback who's just really really really
good to listen to. It might have been Brady. It

(46:55):
might have been Brady that he's just he's just so
fed up with how there's a lack of QB development.
And it goes even starting from the college level up
to now the probes. The college level it's all about
nil and transfers and colleges like like, prospects aren't there

(47:16):
the whole time to learn. Then when they get into
the league, not only do they not have enough experience,
but they don't have a like a pro style knowledge
of how things work. And then you have teams who
will spend their draft picks on them but because of
like finances and everything, they only have three four years

(47:37):
to really develop them. And then after three four years
they have to make a decision of whether they're out
on the guy or not. And I think we've seen
Gino Smith, even though he's been bad this year, but
Gino Smith, Baker Mayfield, Sam Donald like the collection and
Daniel Jones, the collection of QB's who were taken early

(47:58):
as like hopeful franchise quarterbacks who didn't pat out on
the first team, but now have really me if yeah,
I'm sorry if I didn't say bigger, I'm sorry, like
him too. They've been able to get that knowledge, have
time to really like find a place and and hone
in on their skills over time, and now they're flourishing.

(48:20):
Now they're doing and it's it's a shame because, yeah,
there should be a better practice of development, But.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
If you go to a bad team, you're probably going
to with people that are gonna be able to.

Speaker 12 (48:33):
Be Yeah, I mean, look at look at the Yeah,
Cam exactly exactly, Callahan, Callahan, he's what in his second
or third year, he's getting Cam Woard jammed down his
throat by ownership in the GM and Cam Ward obviously
isn't ready whether.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
He's gonna be good or not, like whatever, Now the
guy's fired. You think if okay, well you're jamming this
guy down my throat who's not developed and not ready,
Like I would have signed Sam Darnold if I knew
my job was on the line, Like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
It's it's, it's it's and it's just you have teams
that I mean, the Bears did it last year where
you'll have like what you said, you have a head
coach who's on the hot seat. They'll draft a quarterback
and then they'll give that quarterback one year, the rookie
year with that that head coach who's clearly not it right,
and then that head coach gets fired, and then you

(49:27):
wasted the rookie year of year of your quarterback.

Speaker 5 (49:30):
Right.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
It's it's such bad practice. It's such bad practice, and
it's it's it's unfair or not unfair, it's unfortunate to
see because every I think it's it's obvious that every
team needs to have a quarterback. But like someone made
this point, it's for a point, like teams you can

(49:51):
win if you even if you don't have an elite quarterback.
You don't need a Mahomes or Lamar or like Josh
Allen to like win a Super Bowl. You need a
good franchise quarterback you can win with. That's like the
bare minimum, right, You need a quarterback who's good enough.
But like teams are always either fishing for the superstar

(50:14):
or they're too impatient to see if the quarterback they
draft can be good enough to win.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
And you look at a guy like Bo Nicks, you know,
he's doing very well, But I think there are a
lot of quarterbacks you could put in that situation and
would probably be pretty decent. You know, we would look,
you know, better than average in the with that defense
and that structure they have there. You know.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Yeah, no, that's fair. And you know it's Joe Harrikoski
says Mack Jones for the Niners. Too too bad for him.
The Niners arms are tied and they have to play
pretty when he gets back, and you know, and I
do think, I do think Purty is better than mac Jones.
But yeah, it's a good point too, that like mac
Jones is playing well for the team that wanted him
in the first place, and it should have probably drafted him.

(51:01):
So it's it's so crazy how that works out.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
If you put on the Dolphins or the Titans. He
looked pretty awful.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah, yeah, situation and seem like it matters like how
well you know what the what the head coach wants
the quarterback to do, how he wants them to run
the offense. It's it all matters. That all matters, and
it's it's not looked ad enough. It's not looked at enough.
Mister Colbert says, if the Colts keep playing like this,
they will have a Kurt Warner and Marshall Fowk situation.
One gets Offensive Player of the Year and after and

(51:31):
look at the MVP. Yeah they're there, they are.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
Yeah. I don't know what their schedule looks like that
they have to play somebody sooner or later.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
The Chargers go at it.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
But yeah, before we were in the last ten minutes,
last nine to ten minutes. Anything with the defense, because
I know that Joe says, here, the defense don't need
to work. Two edges of concern. Now we last week
we talked about possible to play bruggets. Uh anything that

(52:08):
changed because.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
Well everybody says, oh the edge is fine now because
they got yesterday. Did you see sacks after eight seconds
don't do a lot for me. Yeah, you know so, yeah,
they still need Yeah.

Speaker 8 (52:25):
So.

Speaker 5 (52:26):
I think the positives are is starting to come on,
which is great to see.

Speaker 6 (52:32):
J loox Hunt. I think he's hitting.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
I think he's getting where he needs to get because
he he had died pressures in that game. I get
three QB hits like he's he's been exception in the
last the last two weeks, Like like that's what.

Speaker 6 (52:46):
You need it from him, Like Moro Dromo.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
Looks like a star, like he looks he's exactly what
you want it.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
And the Giants line isn't great. You know they could
still usable two. I don't know. I don't know what
you're gonna get there.

Speaker 5 (53:06):
So when it comes to that, like you, it's we
don't really know what to expect, Like it's either you're
throwing the Dory Jackson out. He's been solid here, not
solid there. Kili Rigo has had been bad, but in
the last six quarters he's looked better. Jacoreyan Bennett is
I think is the wild is the wild card.

Speaker 6 (53:24):
He's the X factor.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
Yeah, because I really hope active yesterday I was too.

Speaker 6 (53:30):
Because then you could at least saw him.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
Either he was bad or he is good, and you
could make a decision heading into the season or heading
into the next game.

Speaker 8 (53:39):
But I also think also.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
It's also like, even if he was in there, I
don't think there's much judgment you can make out of it,
but you at.

Speaker 5 (53:47):
Least have something like you could you could at least
look at the tape and be like, all right, cool,
maybe this is something we could build on. And you
didn't get to experience that. When it comes to edge,
there's gonna be guys available. It just depends that the
Eagles are gonna hit that price tag. One of the
possibilities at corner got traded today.

Speaker 6 (54:09):
Roger McCreery.

Speaker 5 (54:10):
Yes, And with that, maybe the Eagles just didn't want
to pay that. They think there are better options. And
I keep hearing people talk about, oh, you know, we
could go get guys. Who are we getting? I saw
I saw people talking about Denzel War today. They're not
trading Denzel War, Like, unless you're trading multiple first round
picks to go get Denzel War. That's what it's gonna take.

(54:33):
Like they're not just throwing players away like with Cleveland.

Speaker 6 (54:38):
I know they're not great or anything. It's just not
happening now.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
Like the Titans are atrocious, maybe they would consider a
really good trade for lagerious sneath I'd considered.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
There hasn't he hasn't penned out there, and he's been
he's been hurt, but like there's there's there's still something there.

Speaker 5 (54:57):
I would risk it for a lagarious Steed because you're
gonna get consistency, You're obviously he's been hurt at times,
he's been a good player.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
I just don't.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
I just think he went to the wrong place in
Tennessee and it's just not the perfect fit for him.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
It was always a questionable place. I don't know why
Tennessee traded for him, because they don't. I don't understand it.
But then because they could, that was why it's Yeah,
it made no sense of the situation. But uh, I
don't know. I still think I'm in the place where
I met last week. Is if I'm gonna trade for someone,
I'm gonna trade edge. I personally think I'm not guaranteeing it,

(55:35):
but I do think the corning will be solid enough.
Will you'll be okay enough? Uh So, And I think
just the most realistic trade option comes at Edge that
rather than corner you can get you can get like reasonable,
a reasonable player.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
Well, you're only looking for somebody to play a certain
number of snaps. It's not like c B two is
a sixty snap a game.

Speaker 5 (56:05):
You need someone playing like every down like that is
literally what you're asking for, Whereas with Edge you could
go out you could get a guy like arden Key.

Speaker 6 (56:13):
Yeah, to take up some stamps like getting branded.

Speaker 5 (56:16):
I think I think one of the great things about
the deadline coming up is even if you go out
and you get something someone relatively small like in arden Key,
you're you're getting Brandon Graham, who's.

Speaker 6 (56:28):
At minimum minimum is.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
Going to be better than Patrick Johnson in my opinion,
So that that that's a plus.

Speaker 6 (56:35):
No One Smith is coming back a plus.

Speaker 5 (56:39):
Jaymen Carter and Jordan Davis are are are are looking
good like jaymen Carter had a good game, which is
good something going forward, asizo Ji looked okay in the
in the minimum times he's playing. You know, the young
guys like Jaylex Hunt and Moro Jormo looking like they're
they're hitting what you're expected of them, which is good.

Speaker 6 (56:59):
Like these are things that you could put in the
win call.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Obviously you don't need I.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
Don't want to hijack the conversation, but there's one other
defensive thing I wanted to bring up, just to get
your guys opinions. Nacobe Dean, yesterday you saw a lot
of Nikobe Dean. You didn't see nearly as much of
Jahad Campbell. I noticed na Kobe stopping the run a lot.

(57:25):
I hate to not see Jahad Campbell as much. But
what are they gonna do there? How do you work
that all out?

Speaker 2 (57:32):
I think I think this. I think the rotation will
be a highly matchup based. I think yes, because of
what happened on Thursday football where they couldn't stop the run.
I think they were like, we can't have that again.
And Nikobe Dean is just so much better at that
because he is like I forget the comparison that Breck

(57:53):
Coleman made when he was a prospect, but like, he
is so good just going and tacking down, so like you,
you kind of needed him to be able to stop
the run. I so I don't read too much into
uh Jahad's snaps going down. I think the reason why
I'm also confident with that is because I think you
saw the the downgrade and coverage when you played Nakobe

(58:20):
when he was not a good one.

Speaker 5 (58:22):
He's never been a good coverage Yeah, well that's that's
the thing, like you you put him in, but then
like teams are gonna be like, okay, like we can
attack him through the air, and that's when you kind
of need Jahad So.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
But I also I do think what I will say
is I think Nakobe has looked better than I expected.
I think he's I did not expect him to look
this explosive coming off that injury. So that's a good thing.
And so we can if we can rely on him
to have a good rotation of snaps, that's that's gonna
be so beneficial.

Speaker 6 (58:51):
But we're gonna get fresh linebackers.

Speaker 5 (58:54):
And I also think one of the benefits is obviously
Jaha can play everywhere. Like you you know, I don't
think they're they're panning too much on them on the edge,
but they're leading towards that. They're putting him in coverage,
they're putting him where he needs to be to be
effective on the field, and they're doing the same thing
with Nakobe. Do I want Nakobe in coverage. No, does

(59:14):
Vick Fangel like to do that from time to time. Yes,
go look at the Jacksonville game last year. You know
they had him rushing the passer last week, which he was.
He should have had a sack because he was held
for the play on that stupid touchdown. Like whenever he's
going to work defensively, that's what Mick is going to do.
There's going to be games where Nakobe is going to

(59:36):
take a majority of the snaps, and it's going to
be the same thing with Jahat because there's a reason
why Nakobe Dean was the Green Dot player last year.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Yeah, and that's fair, and I think that's again it's
going to be based on rotation. I do think Johat
is still the If I'm going to pick someone to
be my MIC or be the linebacker in on some packages,
it has to be too hot. Yeah, there's much more
that he can do than than Dean, of course. Yeah,
like in certain circumstances and packages, it is smart to

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have Dean in there. So yeah, I don't. I don't
know if this is what you're hinting at people. I don't.
I still don't think Jehad's going to be primarily edge rusher.

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
I don't at this point. I don't think so either.
But he's kind of a Swiss arbyat where they're going
to throw him out everywhere. Because Kobe Dean is back
to what he was playing at last year. You're going
to try to find ways to keep him on the field.
And John Campbell has shown you enough where's he's a talented,

(01:00:45):
skilled player and they're going to find ways to get
him on the field as well. If they have to
throw them out at the same time at times and
give d and give bond like some spells, they may
do that. They're going to do whatever it takes to
have a stellar linebacking corps. And having those three guys
you're going to have, you're going to have less highed

(01:01:05):
linebackers and them feeling more rested because of that, those
reps that you're getting.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
So it's a good thing. It's a it's a it's
a good thing to have a good stun linebackers.

Speaker 6 (01:01:18):
What is this?

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Yeah? Uh brings you've been quiet for a little bit.
Anything on the defensive side you wanted to bring up?

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Uh, they tackle everything. It's sexy, it's it's awesome. There's
no miss tackles, see very few miscommunications with the defen.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
It's funny you it's funny you bring that up because
like it it seems like I think it was. We
have a friend that was like, oh, they're so bad
at tackling this year. So I looked it up. The
Eagles are actually top ten in most and least amount
of least amount of uh uh tackles missed like percentage

(01:01:57):
wise mistackle rate, So we are one of the better
tackling teams. I think the reason why some fans might
think that that we're not good at tackling is because
when we do miss a tackle sometimes it often leads
to a big play or like we had, we have
so many sack opportunities that we don't finish.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
So I think that, man, that is so true.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
That's accurate.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Yeah, that's I think that's where the notion might think of.
But overall we're such a good tackling team.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
The guy catch a route, he's tackled almost to be
almost every time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Yeah, and you know that was That's something that Fangio
and still that's part of his philosophy. You have to
tackle to limit yack or else the defense doesn't work,
So he's doing a good job. And I think I
think Mcuba, Pete and I addressed this last week on
Film The Lie, because there are a lot of people
who are, like, you know, really upset at Maccuba and
rightfully so, like he gives up these tackles and they're bad,

(01:02:56):
but I think it's part of it's part of him
being a rookie. I think he's to improve. And the
good thing is with Makooba is that he does make
high impact plays that kind of offset the bad plays
that he's making. So at least he's doing that, and
he's not just making bad plays and not doing anything
to offset, you know what I mean. So there's that,

(01:03:17):
and I think that you know, if these if our
pass rushers can get just finished, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
Just tap the quarterback, just just make an effort, like
like I don't I don't need like the six ass
a game, Like, just make the quarterback life a little
bit more difficult, and you're going to make it better
for your safeties. You're going to make it better for
your corners, whether it's Killer Ringo, Dori Jackson, Jakorean Bennett,

(01:03:45):
or some guy who's not in here, like I think
there was a big part of twenty twenty two. Like,
obviously a Sleigh was fantastic and James Bardberry was.

Speaker 6 (01:03:53):
An All Pro.

Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
But like a big reason why the defense was so
good and are secondary was so phenomenal is that they
had time to make their plays. Because ever there was
a sack like every like six plays Like they made
QB's lives.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
So they were built for this defense isn't really built
like that anymore. They've used the last two drafts to
kind of address their secondary and they took finally, so
like from the back and forth, assuming that Nolan Smith
is going to be active in Green Bay, oh, without question,

(01:04:31):
strange triceps.

Speaker 6 (01:04:32):
I mean yeah, same thing with Brandon.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Didn't tear, didn't tear anything, didn't need surgery, So I
just reaggravated. It was taking four weeks off and and
be back the trade deadline goes, I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Yeah, if we don't make a move.

Speaker 6 (01:04:48):
You're playing.

Speaker 5 (01:04:49):
If you're putting your eggs in the Eagles making a
big splash of the trade deadline, I can't help you.

Speaker 6 (01:04:54):
The Eagle's most impactful trade ever was.

Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
Was trading for a running back with a degenerate knee issue.
Like that that was their like I love but like
I do, I love J but like that was their
their best trade deadline move ever, which is.

Speaker 8 (01:05:10):
An insane thing.

Speaker 6 (01:05:14):
That's that's the true statement.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Like like imagine that.

Speaker 6 (01:05:17):
I told you, like the Sixers best move ever was
trade for a three point shooter who after thirty three
point there's his his arm fell off, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Yeah, so yeah, no.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
I hear you move, like we'll talk about it.

Speaker 6 (01:05:32):
Yeah, so I don't even give my predictions.

Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
I gave this in the chat because it's the most
Eagles like move ever.

Speaker 6 (01:05:40):
They trade for C. T.

Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
B from UH from the Bengals and then randomly Alex
Right from the Browns. I wouldn't be, wouldn't It's like
the least sexy thing ever and all week all next
week it's gonna be, oh my god, it's Bradley Trump,
it's Max Crosby, it's Denzel Wool all these ridiculously sexy

(01:06:02):
names that are somehow tied to the Eagles, like there
are every year.

Speaker 6 (01:06:05):
Nope, Cee TV and Alex Right, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Which I would be even know who Alex Right is.

Speaker 5 (01:06:12):
He's a fifth year past rush guy from Cleveland who
they're most likely just not going to resign or if
they do it with a tiny extension, and Alex Andrew
Barry and Howie Rose have great working relationship.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
Idiot.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
That guy is an idiot. That guy traded his opening
day starting quarterback to a division rival who lost their
franchise quarterback for the season.

Speaker 5 (01:06:36):
You know you're gonna suck, you know you're not gonna
be any good, so might as well get value. That's
the dumbest that's the dumbest trade I've ever seen in
my life. It's not it wouldn't even crack my top five.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
It's so stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
We'll talk about that another another day. As we're up
against the last thing before we head out. We may
not have a show next week because Eagles by and
stuff like that. But hor Cosse says Landa, the Eagles
usually scheme pretty well to take Michael Parsons, this Michael,
to make Michael Parsons disappear. We'll see if that continues
with him in Green Bay.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
Be interesting to see if he's different in a different place.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Yeah. Yeah, So if we don't have a show next week,
quick predictions, It doesn't have to be a score prediction,
but a prediction or a take. As the Eagles head
into Green Bay for for their Week ten match.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Up, the first offensive play to be the toush Bush.

Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
Yes, I just want toes in a row.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Just I.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
Don't. I hadn't thought about that game very much yet.
I think it'll be a high scoring game, and I
think they're going to need to. You know, the defense
isn't going to be able to really shut that team
down at Lambeau. I think the offense is going to
have to continue to the park and it is.

Speaker 6 (01:07:57):
More under.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Yeah, yeah, p why.

Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
Defense continues and and looks better, more pass rush, you know,
and we finally have an idea of who c B
two is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
I think that for the Packers, I'm kind of leaning
towards like, yeah, a shootout because that Packers offense can
can score points. I mean they have they have times
where they just kind of refuse to which is frustrating,
but they are talented enough to put up points. So
I think it's gonna be gonna be a shootout. So
game as all right, guys, awesome show, good stuff. It

(01:08:41):
was awesome to talk this all out pe Why we
there were a lot of things we need to get
off our chest against you after the last week you
were absent, So glad we did before the before the
bye week.

Speaker 5 (01:08:52):
You think about me even when I'm not here.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Yeah, because your takes are that bad. So that good. Yeah, Joe,
also I want to just entires. Max is him vj
Edgecombe is also him. This is twenty five points per
game right now. I do not, like I tell myself,
like I I really don't care about the Sixers in October, November, December, January,
so like it's just like whatever's in it's NBA.

Speaker 5 (01:09:16):
But man, I'm gonna check back. I'm gonna I'm ready
to get hurt at the trade deadline. A trade deadline,
I'm going to go all in.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Are making They're making it really hard for me not
to care about the Sixers strike. So yeah, all right, gentlemen,
thank you for those are listening, Thank you for tuning in.
As a reminder, there's rob yeah, no word. As a reminder,

(01:09:43):
we do have a film Don't Lie coming uh this
week is Wednesday morning. We're doing a There are a
lot of great running back performances, so P and I
decided to do a running back team show. So we're
gonna break down film of a lot of great running
backs and their performances Saquon Bigsby, Chase Brown, Jonathan Taylor.
We'll talk about all that on Wednesday, So check out

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Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
All right, goodbye everybody,